>>97624495
Don’t do it.

>>97624495
Don't agree to play in those campaigns

Shit thread, neck yourself

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Only your death will solve your retardation OP

>>97624495
Just make the whole world their exact races, see if they still feel special.

Play where the freakshitters' characters come from, make mundane freakshit characters. Make them come across freakshitter farmers, make them come across freakshitter day laborers. Make them have to pay taxes to a freakshitter government.

Bring back race as class.

>>97624495
Why do you care so much about how other people have fun

>he's so desperate that he's scraping content from YouTube Shorts

>>97624495
Can't you play whatever you want at your table?

>>97624495
There's a problem?

>>97624495
Stop playing with randos.

>>97624495
The whole point of player character adventurers is they ARE the snowflakes. Human or no, they are the ones that move the world's plot more than most others ad stand out because most normal people are nobodies who can't even reach level 2. I don't get this obsession of wanting players to only be rank and file everymen on /tg/.

>>97624495
> Play better games.
> Fad pass
> Freakshows pick up new hobbies.
> Over time, freak-promoting companies go bankrupt.

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>>97624495
Just play a human-only game, anon.

>>97624526
humans are still, by far, the most played species in DnD and in settings where humans dominate
people will have no problem playing tieflings in a world dominated by tieflings

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Tieflings and other freakshit give other'd people, like PoC, queer, trans, etc, a valid way of expressing their otheredness through tabletop gaming. It's fine if you don't like it. Just like... don't participate? How hard is that?

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Run a Spelljammer campaign.
When giant amoebas are a core race, is hard to stick out.

>>97624495
The core problem is american culture, in which people confuse someone's superficial appearance with an expression of their uniqueness.
All you need to do is play with non-americans. Because then, even if they play snowflake races, they will not do so thinking this makes them unique or interesting. They are far more likely to play a character with personality that doesn't revolve around their race.

This is just some made up "problem" for nogames losers who only experience the hobby vicariously through Twitter ragebait. I can not recall the last game where I had to play with a single tiefling and I've been roleplaying with random groups on a weekly basis for years

>>97625063
Players should be ofered ample opportunity to express their otherness.
And get punished every time they do it.

>table top is literally the only place you can actually play anything you like
>most mass media including video games is extremely human/elf biased or forced
>somehow the fact people want to play something different in a game that actually allows the freedom to do it confuses and outrages people on /tg/

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Let's be honest. Tolkien races were pretty much tacked on to early D&D too just because some nerd from the 70s thought that Tolkien was cool, even if they just don't fit the original D&D vibe which is much more inspired by Conan the Barbarian, John Carter from Mars, Jack Vance Dying Earth, Poul Anderson: His book Three Hearts and Three Lions, Fritz Leiber: The Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, and H.P. Lovecraft and NOT Tolkien.

The inclusion of Hobbits (later Halflings), Ents (Treants), and Balrogs (Type VI Demons) was largely a marketing move. In the early 70s, Tolkien was a counter-culture phenomenon. The Tolkien state was not happy about it hence renaming Hobbits to Halflings.

>>97625216

The mismatch comes from the fact that D&D characters often act like Leiber’s Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser (mercenaries looking for a payday) while looking like The Fellowship of the Ring.

Tolkien is about a moral crusade to save the world.

Original D&D is about a group of "murder hobos" trying to survive a deathtrap dungeon to pay their tavern tab.

Gygax basically admitted that he included Halflings solely because his players demanded them. If he’d had his way entirely, the game probably would have been much "weirder" and closer to the Mars of Edgar Rice Burroughs. he estate of J.R.R. Tolkien actually SUED TSR (the original makers of D&D) in the late 70s, which is why we have "Halflings" instead of "Hobbits" and "Treants" instead of "Ents" today.

ITT: OP is a fag who's making a problem where there isn't one or thinks he's a good troll

Let folks play what they want. I don't see this as an issue

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>>97624495
>d&d 5e
Core only (filters the d&dbeyond a-la-carte subhumans), enable variant human (makes human more enticing) and gritty realism (further filters snowflakes);

>PF2e
Core only and use rarity tags on races you don't like;

...there, you sanitized enough the usual offenders this way. I would have simply said "hytnpld&d?" but i'm quite sure you'ld start bitching.

>>97625509
>gritty realism
meaning? goodberry ban? no-save death at 0 hp?

>>97625509

Remove all core but humans and human variants. Every other race is Tolkien corruption of D&D.

Play humans-only.

Play in a setting that has distinct human nations and cultures that the players find compelling.

Have a hard limit of one freakshit snowflake card that the Players can fight over amongst themselves, and even then that freakshit snowflake is particularly suited to the themes of the campaign.

>>97624495
Alright 3 easy steps:
1. Make some friends
2. Play a ttrpg with them
3. Stop worrying about what the internet people think about the fun you have with your friends at your table

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>>97625525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxlMFsw1OfY

Each player most roll against a percentage table based on rarity or the race whenever they choose one and if they dont roll correctly they need to pick a different race

>>97625216
>>97625234
And thus, the standard D&D campaign's plot is a random group of murder-hobos looking for a payday stumble onto one thread of what turns out to be a grand overarching conspiracy to make Bad Thing happen. BG3 is this, Rise of the Runelords is this, Firefly/Serenity's plot winds up being this.

>>97625627
Sounds fun.

>>97624495
tell your players only a limited amount of races are acceptable in your setting?

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>>97624495
It's literally not possible for this problem to exist.
The GM can:
>say no to races that don't make sense in the setting
>create a campaign and setting that makes sense of the PCs
It's that simple.

If both the GM and players are ok with it then where are you? You're not in their game. You're not in any games. You don't play games.

>>97625687
Correct. This isn't about games you play, anon. It's about policing the behavior of hypothetical "others" on the internet who you invent for the purpose of disparaging, to feel more connected to your identity politics.

>>97625063
Man, what an ugly character.

I see more than enough humans in real life, why would I want to see nothing but them in my escapism?

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>>97625610
Hm, assuming no further houseruling, magical items will still reset daily at dawn, so you become more gear dependent (and everyone needs ability to attune, but that's easily satisfied with Vuman), besides that it should be mostly business as usual.

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>>97625063
Man, what a cute character!

>>97625793
Arguably yes (there are various interpretations regarding the item recharging) but the main difference is that you can't recover your failed death saves with a power nap in the middle of nowhere, you need to reach a safe haven for long resting. The risk of death being more present is what discurages the most the typical ocdonut steel player.
>inb4 that doesn't prevent players in making weirdos from core
Well, it just mitigates the possibility while remaining as RAW as possible, so you can pull this configuration even in groups with bitchy players allergic to homerules and homebrew. Combined with the variant human option it narrows enough the possibility of a mos eisley cantina party.

>>97625063
The most annoying thing to me is the tieflings. Why don't you guys ever pick cool races like dwarves or kobolds or aarakocra?

>>97625933
I feel like you can still barricade yourself in any random room of a dungeon and sleep it off mid-dungen crawl, you just need to bring some provisions (which you basically don't have to in a "normal" game). Unless you're on a clock, it makes little difference whether your rests take 8 hous of 7 days.
It feels so... lazy, arbitrary "hard mode" without fully understanding how their own game works and how easily it can be mitigated.

>>97626032
Long rest isn't simply resting in the literal sense, in this regard it will include attending to injuries, taking things easy, eating well, etc... Not something you can pull consistently everywhere. Even if that wasn't the case, it's 7 days, no amount of context is enough to justify barricading yourself in the middle of a dungeon and calling that "rest".

>>97626032
>>97626109
7 days is enough where you'd need to basically have already purged the entire dungeon and take it over for yourselves in order to justify being able to sleep there undisturbed for 7 days.

Any monsters remaining will inevitably patrol and find you within a week, even if you've barricaded a door. The best case scenario, if for whatever reason they can't get through the door, is that they just take all the treasure and leave.
If they're smart, they'll also collapse some of the hallways and exits on their way out, so now the party wakes up after their week-long stay to find out that they're buried alive.

It's not arbitrary as soon as you remember that the world doesn't stand still for the players to just skip ahead a week because they feel like it.

>>97626025
Tieflings fit the near human checkbox, they are slightly more inhuman than say elves, but still human faced.

>>97626109
Not without some additional houseruling. Normally you just need to not fight, not cast spells, and not take any strenuous activity. You can spend that time in 5'x5' cubicle as far as rules are concerned. You'd need to eat and drink, but not every day, becase starvation doesn't kick in until 2nd day of fasting. So 4 ration for a week long rest, 1st of which can be Goodberry.

>>97626178
>Any monsters remaining will inevitably patrol and find you within a week, even if you've barricaded a door. The best case scenario, if for whatever reason they can't get through the door, is that they just take all the treasure and leave.
>If they're smart, they'll also collapse some of the hallways and exits on their way out, so now the party wakes up after their week-long stay to find out that they're buried alive
If they'll do that in a week, they could have done it in 8 hours.
And if you wanna bring up some semblance of realistic behavior, living works and sensible risk-mitigation, pre-empt every dungeon crawl by piling wood at the entrance and burning it for a day to smother every breathing creature inside. Then you can camp outside for a week to ventilate and then finally go in to pick the loot off the dead bodies.

>>97626396
>If they'll do that in a week, they could have done it in 8 hours.
They could have. But it's drastically more likely that even the slowest, laziest, and inattentive monsters will get it done within a week if they would have failed to do so within 8 hours.

>And if you wanna bring up some semblance of realistic behavior
If you think 'NPCs do things sometimes' is realism then you've got incredibly low standards.

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>>97624512
>>97624523
>>97624642
>>97624929
>>97624928

>>97626519
>>97626519
Please explain how "it's your table, your rules" is weedposting. I'm curious to hear.

>>97626473
>If you think 'NPCs do things sometimes' is realism then you've got incredibly low standards.
My point was more towards the fact that once you start scrutinizing things on realism whole game falls apart. If monsters would have wandered of in a week, why haven't they done it last week? What do they eat? How stocked are they? Where do they shit? Ecology, economy, society, note of it makes sense except as literally "just a game".

>>97626519
>t. stupid nogames.

>>97624495
By playing games you fucking loser.

>>97625905
is that your OC? I saved it from a random thread a while ago.

>>97624495
Pretty sure they'd be here forever just like boomer's Old School Renaissance for old system like 3.5 back to ODND isn't going away.

>>97624495
Play a system that supports human-only campaigns. Run human-only campaigns.

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>>97626519
"I don't like snowflake races"
"Don't play with snowflake races at your table"
"ALL YOU ARE SAYING IS I'M JUST AS BAD AS THEM. YOU'RE SAYING THAT MY COMPLAINING IS JUST AS BAD AS THE PROBLEM OF SNOWFLAKE RACES. IS IT POSSIBLE YOU JUST LIKE SNOWFLAKE RACES?"

This is how you sound.

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>>97626025
>aarakocra
I tried to play an Amerikocra once. The DM didn't want to believe me when I told him every action he does is a free action.

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>>97626318
Also since 4th, tieflings are just draenei and thus, easy to make multi-colored waifu bait.

>>97624495
Make them roll the old tiefling table and see if they still want to play when their char is an ugly mutant that stink instead of a cartoon monstergirl fetishbait.

>>97626819
HOLY BASED

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>>97626819
This is the way.

Rolled 82, 42, 95 = 219 (3d100)

>>97626830
Rollan

Rolled 34, 92, 72 = 198 (3d100)

>>97626835
Shit, nice job on that last one.

Rolled 93, 76 = 169 (2d100)

>>97626846
Uh oh, Rolling twice for the appearance

Rolled 86 (1d100)

>>97626849
damn, need another reroll

>>97626849
>>97626851
pussy

>>97626830
>look at list
>the vast majority are trivially easy to make a fetish bait type character with
I feel lied to by 2nd edition shills

>>97626864
Read the chart, it necessitated the rerolls.

>>97626871
ah ok derp

>>97624495
Don't play the games that allow you to play snowflake races.
Alternatively:
Play with a GM that provides restrictions on the races available for player characters.

Rolled 80, 97, 50 = 227 (3d100)

>>97626830
rollan

Rolled 94, 65, 28 = 187 (3d100)

>>97626887

Rolled 27 (1d100)

>>97626896
rerolling the 94

>>97626830
rollan!!

>>97626903
EPIC FAIL

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>>97626903
tfw low res once per day.

>>97626887
>>97626896
>>97626902
>scaly skin
>goat hooves
>spiny ridges all over body
>green hair x2
do you reroll if you get the same thing twice or do you just assume that it's more intense than it would otherwise be?

>>97626926
I dont remember if there was a rule but I would rule that the player gets to choose if he wants to reroll or lose the extra roll (duplicates dont stack).

>>97626885
there is a certain irony in accusing non-human players of being snowflakes when OP is the one who is so fragile that they have to make a butthurt thread about how much they hate non-humans

>>97624495
You run a human only game of decent lethality where the PCs later characters can only be snowflake races if the PCs seek them out and get on good terms with groups of them to be able to get hirelings.
This has worked for the westmarches game I ran using Forbidden Lands.

>>97626969
No there isnt an "irony" in that at all.

>>97626396
>If they'll do that in a week, they could have done it in 8 hours.
in something like a forest, where enemies arent seeking you out but are still present
than an 8 hour rest is doable but a 7 day rest is not
the former only needs you to conceal your fire for a single nights rest and you could plausibly remain undetected the latter would basically mean setting up a full camp and being unable to hide your numbers

in something like a large castle, you couldnt take a long rest either way
but increasing a short rest from an hour to 8 hours suddenly makes short rests dangerous

>>97626988
they are exactly what the accuse everyone else of being, which is usually considered a form of irony

>>97626949
In that case I'll stick with it since it lets me imagine it glowing in the dark like cartoon nuclear material which I find to be pretty amusing and if I could badger the GM into it give me gameplay benefits and drawbacks from having a permanent weak to strong torch strapped to my head
>>97626819
>and see if they still want to play when their char is an ugly mutant that stink instead of a cartoon monstergirl fetishbait
Having rolled on the table I can absolutely work with the results as a monster girl enjoyer

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>>97624495
Make the setting Roman/antiquity.
>Tiefling
Sex-slave
>Goliath
Construction-slave
>Goblin
Mining-slave
>Orc
Farming-slave
>Assimar
Temple-slave
>Dragonborn
Arena-slave
All guarded and captured by human male legionaries.

>>97626519
So were you going to answer the question, or you're just straight up admitting it's not actually a problem?

>>97626531
Do you think these questions don't have answers? I don't get your reasoning.

>>97627097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHT81ooZRCw

>>97627099
the analogy also falls apart when you look into weeds
they arent an invasive species, they are usually whatever lived in the area before you built a house on it
the grass of the lawn is the invasive species and they rarely do well, so they require tons of care and maintenance including the weeding
if your grass isnt suited to the area, then you need to basically dump tons of fertilizer on the area, creating a feast for native plants ready to spring up, which is why the weeds never end

we all now basically realize its not the weeds that are the problem, they are perfectly suited to the area, its the lawn itself
creating a more natural-grown lawn that uses a blend of different types of local plants is actually the best option but homeowners associations are too obsessed with uniform green squares

>>97624495
Not only does my game not have any preset races, it gives the players the freedom to create any sort of beings they can imagine. I'm sorry your games are so dull.

>>97627130
you arent fooling anyone.

>>97625063
If you're born male you're a man

>>97624495
>hey DM, can my character be <snowflake race>?
>No

>>97627131
I am an attack helicopter!

>>97625216
Thank god there are better games.

>>97625610
>this approach encourages the players to leave and find a better game where they can have fun instead of not having fun
based, just not for the reason the authors intended.

>>97627097
boring

>>97625933
how does this discourage anything? you can roll up a tiefling under gritty rules just as easily as in any other rule set. if you don't like certain races, just tell the players and have them choose from the races you want to allow. why would you bother with this?

>>97627136
if you are going to make an analogy, dont make it about something as stupid as weeds in a garden
if you have a problem with weeds taking root, its not the weeds fault they were here first, the problem is that your garden is filled with plants inappropriate to the environment and you have is a well-fertilized plot of land filled with sickly grass thats begging to be reclaimed by nature

>>97626025
>literary no theory of mind
as expected of tgkun

>>97626109
Players don't have to justify their decisions. If they decide to barricade themselves, they do.

>>97627184
>If they decide to barricade themselves, they do.
if the enemy is on high alert and is actively looking for the party, then something like a barricade wouldnt stop the enemy for long enough to get a full 8 hours of rest, much less 7 days

but if you are exploring a long-dead tomb filled with wandering monsters instead, then 8 hours vs 7 days would make a difference
to get 8 hours of sleep would just need passing the roll of a dice once whereras getting 7 days of sleep would mean passing 7 dice rolls in a row

>>97626819
I'd like to see your diabetic asthmatic boogie2988 no knees having ass try to make me do anything.

>>97626988
yeah there is

>>97627136
And you're a fucking retard. Lawns aren't natural they're an old european flex.

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Let me posit my understanding, as somebody who spent too much time hanging around reactionary gamers. (And, I should emphasize, the vast majority of hate towards tieflings and those who play them comes from people who are at-best reactionary and at worst proudly bigoted).

As has been pointed out, Tieflings let you play around with characters who are marginalized because of their identity, and exist outside of the well-defined 'proper' social roles. This is going to strike a cord with players who are queer or marginalized in other ways. The portrayal of tieflings, particularly in fan art, emphasizes this queer vibe. The queer-coding is often very strong, and where it isn't deliberately queer coded the built-in interpretation of tieflings as marginalized is still there.
Further, the tiefling transgresses expected definitions in D&D. The setting presents itself as one where your ancestry defines you; your race determines your capabilities, personality, and moral standing. A reactionary will find these features appealing, since they reinforce their own worldview where we can divide people IRL into distinct types, and use that to predict their capabilities, personality and moral standing. The tiefling, being a character who has evil blood in them and clearly marking them but who is none-the-less probably portrayed as good, disrupts that. We have a type of person that the reactionary believes the game ought to be dehumanizing based on their identity being given humanity and dignity. D&D is no longer a game which can be safely reduced to a fantasy race-war against those people.

So, in the mind of the reactionary, tieflings are strongly associated with queerness (and other marginalized identities), and represent a disruption of the safe conservative norms they believe the game is built on. Hatred directed against tieflings is a proxy for anger that marginalized people have a seat at the table now, and the game accomodates them.

>>97627223
I'm still struck dumb by the perception of RPG's as conservative safe spaces considering the History of the genre.

>>97625063
>PoC
They're called blacks, and aren't you being racist by denying the color of their skin and reducing it to a heavily politicized and artificial term?

>>97627146
Attack Helicopter
Health 8
Edge 11
Body 8d
Speed 7d
Control +4d
Weapons 12d
Com System, Flight, Passengers 4, Sensors

>>97627192
Nice non sequitur. I didn't make any claims about the effectiveness of the strategy, so I don't know why your post is written as if you're replying to someone who did.

>>97627246
>Retard thinks there are only two races in the world

>>97627223
Being reactionary is good and bigotry is usually justified. You deserve to be marginalized, since you're inferior and the way you live is wrong.

>>97627237
Retard.

>>97627237
It's because they're stupid and too weird to gel with the normie cons so they have to invade spaces like comics and tabletop games.

>>97627260
nice projection lol

>>97627264
Both those things are gonna keep getting more outspokenly lefty and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>97627223
>Bigot
Argument dropped, go back redditor

>>97627269
True, we must create more radicalised chuds and destroy their hobbies

>>97627237
There is a growing reactionary element within the ttrpg space that is a very small slice of the much greater nerd culture wars

>>97627246
>>97627255
>>97627271
Hello, nogames! Got bored of shitting up the warhammer threads?

>>97627284
How are you gonna do that lmao
You're here shitting up the thread while dozens of lefty tabletop game creators have kickstarters going on right now
They're developing communities and generating revenue
You're here crying about tieflings for the zillionth time

>>97624512
Second post best post. If it's not happening at your table, who cares? Only nogames nofriends retards care about what happens at other tables, it's literally autistic. And I do mean literally. People with autism can't fathom someone liking something they don't.

>>97627330
human is already the most popular choice on DnD beyond by a huge margin
elves, the ones who look the most like humans, are a distant second
the idea that they are being rebellious by picking a human against a sea of funny races is just hilarious

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I'm toying with the idea of making tieflings less demon-coded and have multiple interpretations depending on the culture and supernatural origin like Stormborn, Sky-touched, Djinn-touched, Oni-spawn, descendants of Gog and Magog, and so on. Do you think it make sense? If it works, I'll move on to other races and do the same.

>>97627223
So people who can't but help inject their gayness and victimhood into everything they do? Sounds like people I don't want to waste time with.

>>97627435
how is that injecting?

>>97624495
Play games for once in your life I BEG of you!

>>97624512
seethe post cope post

>>97627259
You sure are one.

>>97627223
>characters who are marginalized because of their identity
Not really, dnd doesnt have or allow racism.

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>>97624495
Embrace it.
>tank noises

>>97626519
Your garden is your table, not other people's tables. Keeping your own garden free of weeds is simple as fuck, and multiple suggestions have been made ITT for how you can do it. Let other people do what they want with their own gardens.

>>97627176
The other obvious problem is that people like OP sure as fuck don't do any weefing or otherwise take care to keep their gardens as they like them, they just bitch and expect someone else to take care of their problems.

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>>97626605
>>97626725
>>97626623
>>97627309
>nooo stop pointing out how urban hipster douchebags are infesting the hobby with boring therapy slop and making traditional games unplayable!!!
Go contract ass cancer

>>97627519
>nooo stop pointing out
this being the stock response is hilarious when they get so triggered when people keep pointing out they are nogames

>>97627519
Hobby's what happens at my table. Why are you letting all these urban hipsters you hate so much play at yours?

>>97627519
womp womp sorry about your loss

>>97627173
See >>97627162

>>97627519

Anon, Roleplaying IS THERAPY. It’s not just "escapism"; it’s a structured way to process the human experience. In gaming, "bleed" is when the emotions of the character leak into the player (or vice versa). You can practice being assertive, grieving a loss, or facing a fear through your character. Because it’s "just a game," your ego is protected. If your character fails, you didn't fail, but you still get the dopamine hit of figuring out how to handle the consequences.

Therapy often involves changing the "story" we tell ourselves about our lives. In a TTRPG, you are the protagonist. You have agency. For someone feeling powerless in their 9-to-5 life, playing a hero who can change the fate of a kingdom is a powerful reminder that their choices matter. It’s often easier to tackle "The Dark Lord" than it is to tackle "My Clinical Depression," even if they are functionally representing the same thing in your subconscious.


For many, the gaming table is the only place where they engage in structured, collaborative problem-solving. You have to navigate disagreements with party members without "breaking" the group. Roleplaying requires you to literally step into someone else’s shoes and ask, "What would motivated this person to act this way?"

>>97627551
i think people are just terminally afraid of putting themselves into their characters and then calling anyone who does so "cringe"

>>97627551
no it isn't, that's why trannies still always kill themselves

>>97624495
If you know someone doing the snowflake bullshit. Make a few NPCs that are just like the snowflake and make them feel basic AF. Especially though that want to be "different" and not like everyone else. The best if you make a
NPC just like that person but better.

>>97627578
Being a passive aggressive bitch iis never a good solution to anything. GM should just vet the characters and veto anything that doesn't fit the campaign. It's as simple as that. A GM who has actually tried not playing (or running) DnD might even be so bold as to choose a game where"freakshit" races aren't even an option.

>>97627519
Sorry to hear about your retardation that is keeping you from playing tabletop games, anon.

>>97627578
>>97627591
or just let the players play whatever they want instead of trying to force them to play something the DM wants
at the end of the day, its a game thats meant to be fun

>>97627597
Or just not let you people into any game because you ruin it for everyone else and the GM

>>97627597
Sure, but it's meant to be fun for the GM as well, and having some kind of vision for the game - not a prewritten plot, mind you, but an overall vision - is not only fine but a good thing.

>>97627604
forcing the players to play only humans when they want to play something else certainly is not the way to bridge this gap
the DM should have fun too, but so should the players, and the DM is just going to have to find a new table entirely or accommodate his players as best as he can

>>97627253
Nta, the fact they can make camp anyways (or jump in a pit of lava) is relevant because..? If the dm makes evident it's not going to work what's the point there? Acting retard for the sake of it?

>>97627610
If I'm running, say, Pendragon, players are sure as fuck going to play humans. Not all games are DnD. Even in DnD not all races need to be present in every setting.

>>97627629
>If I'm running, say, Pendragon, players are sure as fuck going to play humans.
if you are playing pendragon, you told them all they were going to be humans, they all agreed, and they all showed up, then thats not really an issue and thats not what OP is talking about

>Not all games are DnD. Even in DnD not all races need to be present in every setting.
if you are playing a game where people can choose their race and theres a lot of races available
why would you stop players from choosing what they want, why restrict them to just human?
just let them pick what they want

>>97627591
Love when they do this shit. You want everyone to accept it, however if someone answers in kind. Suddenly, they're the problem. Not the person starting it.

>>97626396
>Not without some additional houseruling. Normally you just need to not fight, not cast spells, and not take any strenuous activity.
You forgot you can't take more the 2 hours of alertness per character per day, so to cover a single day without risking of getting ambushed you need a party of 12 members (if they all need to long rest)

>You can spend that time in 5'x5' cubicle as far as rules are concerned. You'd need to eat and drink, but not every day, becase starvation doesn't kick in until 2nd day of fasting.
Which can be interpreted as "adventuring activity" (you're purposely stretching your resources making the whole endeavor slightly more stressful) depending on the DM. If so you lose the benefit of long rest up until that point and need to restart the long rest.

>>97627642
>if you are playing a game where people can choose their race and theres a lot of races available
>why would you stop players from choosing what they want, why restrict them to just human?
>just let them pick what they want
That's not how TTRPGs work, not inherently. GM can make his own setting, and it doesn't have to include all of the published material - and of course it can also include homebrew material. If in a given setting, say, elves aren't a thing for whatever reason, then that's how it is. I don't run human only campaigns when I run DnD-derivatives - last time I did, tge PCs were an elf, a lizardman, another elf who was also undead and a hobgoblin, so enough to make OP scream and screech about freakshit - but I definitely don't feel obligated to include literally anything anyone's ever thought to publish when running a game.

>>97627646
What the fuck are you talking about, anon?

>>97627663
if there was a session zero that laid out all the limitations before hand and you reached a mutual consensus with the players about what their characters can or cant be, then thats fine
but thats not the issue

but OP is clearly whining about people rolling up to a game with dragonborn or something like that
if it wasnt overtly banned before they showed up, the DM getting pissy at a weirdo race showing up when someone wants to play it is the DMs fault

>>97627680
Nta but as a matter of politeness i always ask what is allowed on a given game, if i'm in the DM sit i overlook a player coming with a character concept entirely made with options from core, it's sort of rude but expected, but if someone unpromptly presents me stuff taken from any different sources i obviously raise an eyebrow.

>>97624495
I am now imagining a whole party of snow themed adventures.
Snow golems, snow elfs, Yetti, ect.

>>97627715
Then some contrarian hipster comes to the table with a male human fighter...

>>97627719
He's a black guy from some jungle too. Just dressed in a loincloth and a spear.

>>97627221
you aren't fooling anyone no matter how obtuse and nonsensical an argument you make.

>>97625003
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>>97624495
>tell them what race aren't allowed because they won't fit in the setting
>play a system with prerequisite requirements to play a certain race/class
>have them roll for their race
>play a system with the races you want

>>97625087
It's not just Americans who do that main character "I am so unique BS." Americans tend to be the loudest at it yes. However, they're the biggest market, so everything bad will be seen as their fault.

>>97625067
That or what I do when they're pushing "I am so unique" troupe. Make an NPC that's just like them. Don't let them be the rare and unique snowflake but the same as someone else. Especially if they're well known. Maybe make it the gag of making a new town think they're that person till someone says "No X is bigger, or has longer hair, etc."

>>97624495
You just don't allow them at your table. done.

>>97626519
>i'm sick of both
But I'm not. I have fun games with "snowflake races", anons complaining about them on the other hand sound like insufferable faggots.
I'm sick of you specifically. You sound like a cunt that isn't fun to play with and you're trying to make a problem out of other people not being like you. I want as many people different from you in the hobby as possible.
I want to solve the (you) problem forever.

>>97624495
Have you tried not playing D&D? Of course not you don't play anything, just constantly seethe about what other people are doing.

>>97625003
>human-only
There's several playable nonhumans in Dofus, such as the dogpeople and the dragonborn

>>97626025
>dwarves
>cool
Dwarves are just the special snowflakes "normie sue" of freakshit. They're the freakshit equivalent of a pickme girl
>ohh oi, ah ain't like t'other freakshits, laddie! ah'm heckin BASED and TRAD
They even have the overcompensating soibeard baked in as a staple.

>>97628641
This is why nobody takes your forced meme shit seriously, you know.

>>97625063
>other'd
You mean othered not other'd; there is no word in the English language which uses an apostrophe before any letter other than 's' except for loan words from Arabic

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>>97624495
You must first properly define the problem if you seek to solve it.

>>97624495
Tell your players that they can only play the races you've approved.

>>97627309
lol seething

>>97627476
lol seething

>>97628641
you're not interesting or funny

>>97627757
So he freezes to death.

>>97628440
>No games thinks only D&D has playable non humans races.

>>97629067
Cry harder retard.

>>97627551
No. Games are problem solving. Nothing else.

>>97627558
It is cringe. Your character isn't you.

>>97627578
why should I do that?

>>97627600
No they don't.

>>97627604
Nah.

>>97624495
As a DM you should challenge your players to pick the races of the region they're playing in.
>pick three or four races they must pick from, and they can all be the same ones

I swear D&D is more racemixed towns than any place on earth.

>>97627616
I was responding to "no amount of context is enough to justify" and nothing else. No context is required, and no justification is required. End of.

>>97627757
based

>>97627880
Player characters are unique and special . If there are more interesting people in the world, why aren't you showing us them instead?

>>97629082
I am, in fact.

>>97629124
mad :)

>>97627136
He doesn't need to fool anyone. You and your lawn is the snowflake race in this situation.

>>97629257
No u

>>97628660
>>97629082
A hit dog will holler

>>97624495
Show us where on the doll this has personally affected you in a negative way. Or any of the other people that you play games with. Or anyone at all, really.

You've set up a bogeyman over something that you don't like the idea of, but that you don't have to engage with in your own games if you don't want to. Very "no fun allowed" of you.

>>97624495
As a DM, disallow players from making characters of those races.
As a player, ask the DM if these races will be common in this setting/story, and what the other players are choosing to play. If they are playing these races, do not play with this group.

>>97624495
You can start with no longer letting this live rent free in your head, shitposter

>>97629500
Quick rundown?

>>97627864
People don't want solutions, Anon
They want to be mad.

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>>97628665
retard alert

>Yet another bait thread from the guy who will necrobump it with a useless one line answer for every comment until he gets banned again.
Remember kids, sage goes in all fields.

>>97630249
It's not like there could be anything better going on here.

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>>97628631
Ouginaks were actually retconned into being a heresy of Ecaflip, in the way that Masqueraiders are heretics of Sadida and Foggernauts are heretics of Osamodas.

>>97624495
Don't allow said races. Include missions where the players have to tail somebody without being noticed. A bunch of Sesame Street characters would be too obvious to succeed. Perhaps they'll learn

>>97627097
Awful. Boring. Plebeian taste.

Everyone knows Orcs should be culturally ancient greeks
>collection of constantly warring city-states
>architecture is mostly big stone pillars
>philosophers like to wrestle as much as they like to argue (like plato)
>their gods are jackasses
This is the ideal way to make orcs in your setting.

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>>97624554
>The solution to unusual fantasy race PC's being at the table.
>Is to lead the campaign through extensively thought out lands and societies of those unusual fantasy races.

Hit the nail on the head right here.

>>97629216
As a DM you should tailor the region to the races players pick.
>it kills the special snowflake aspect
>it makes them feel involved and invested in the setting
>it gives you a foot in the door to have notes for their character by it being about the race they chose and its culture, forcing them to think more about the details of their own character.
Telling players no is for GMs who haven't learned that "yes" gives you soft leverage they don't even see.

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>>97624976
Bad players and nogaems on /tg/ think that making rank and file everymen is a fundamentally superior way to play, and to show they're a superior player.

The contributing factors to this are
>Misunderstanding the 'small but solid' PC design.
And
>Attaching an unhealthy sense of pride/strength/masculinity to humans and/or dwarves.

The former is the big one. Basically, it's considered to be a demonstration of skill to make a PC that doesn't have big dramatic character traits. No uncommon races, no notable class, no memorable gear or appearance, no remarkable dreams or aspirations. You have something basic and plain, and you survive off of RP skill alone.

That's not to say the former is bad. It's actually generally fairly good to have at least a couple of those traits to set a precedent for the table, gives the GM something to work off of, and a good first impression.

Even 'small but solid' PC's typically have something, like an heirloom sword, or a grand dream. But typically they have little to none, which can make them a very unique and compelling character if done well, but heavily dependent on the player giving the table a reason to be interested.


But bad players and nogames on /tg/ don't understand this. They just think the more features they can strip out (save a small number of socially accepted ones IE HMFfags and dwarf players), and the less OC the character, the better the PC is. And because they don't play games, aren't very skilled, or don't know how to talk to people, they insist this take is right and everyone else has to be crying and shitting themselves.


The other angle is that some of these people make unhealthy parallels to irl identity politics, and treat character generation like some pitched battle of virtue signaling, where every new PC's race, class and features is a sign of their personal values, and an attack on the cohesive identity of the culture.

Needless to say, it's absolutely schizophrenic behavior.

>>97631940

Never heard orcs be canonically pedophiles tough

>>97624495
1-2 races a game

The only reason I’m fine with Tieflings is that their players tend to make them sluts with huge tits that are very receptive to (what I perceive to be) basic tokens of affection and appreciation.

>>97624495
Be less racist

>>97632845
"Then everyone clapped. True story I swear."
Okay, back to the leftist shithole sites which you came.

The problem has always been letting the woke and the nogaems activists be counted like a real player. They push for a main character power fantasy BS. Since they think it be like a movie or book. They don't understand the point of TTRPGs hints why they want "less rules and more vibes."

>>97633059
have fun being on the losing side of history because you couldn't just let people have fun

>>97633108
Right..... We're the "losing side of history." Can you honestly say that when we seen what happens when companies start listen to your side. Look at Star Wars, Star Trek, Rings of Power, Concord, Concord 2/Highguard, Concord 3/Marathon, etc. Hell how did WOKE D&D do? Aren't they dropping it like a bad habit and going to make D&D 6e.

Let me give you some advice. If you have to scream you're a good person and/or on the "right side" of history. Chances are you're not. You're just the useful brownshirt being used to take over.

>>97625063
>Tieflings and other freakshit give other'd people, like PoC, queer, trans, etc, a valid way of expressing their otheredness
It's kinda telling that LGBT and colored people immediately identify with the half-demonic race.

>>97633133
Yeah, and they changed how Tieflings were to make them queer-coded. They weren't even that bad before the were co-opted to be "fantasy gay"

>>97633133
>>97633145
Best way to deal with that is to make them roll on the Planescape table if they want to play one.

>>97633133
its almost like a group of people who are unjustly vilified are relatable to outsiders

>>97624495
Are orcs a snowflake race or am i based?

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>>97624495
Weird races aren't a problem per se, it's how they are implemented and enacted. If you allow, play and depict them as, essentially, normal humans wearing fantasy props (you sometimes even forgot about) then you're a fucking imbecile. Also the diametrical opposite case, which i call the kender fallacy, is just as annoying, in which the weird race act as a vehicle for the most obnoxious behaviors under the roleplaying justification of the "it's what my character would do".

To solve the problem simply enforce the following array (Human, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling) up until your players proved themselves being functional enough in managing further deviations from that norm. Playing also any game other than post-3e D&D helps greatly.

>inb4 muh badwrong fun
Yes, if you believe there's no inherent way of playing wrong i think you should fuck off as well.

>>97633388
>Yes, if you believe there's no inherent way of playing wrong i think you should fuck off as well.
you first

>>97633398
>spotted the first imbecile
Glad i touched your nerve faggot.

>>97633402
>getting this triggered
pot, meet kettle

>>97633406
Word.

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>>97633388
>post n.222
>digits
>unfathomably based take
JHC, it's like a mandate from heaven!
Literary the truth manifested
Fucking /thread

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You want people to chose Humans? Make the rules for Humans good (And not by arbitrarily making non-humans worse).

>>97625063
This is fine.

But the people they encounter in the game will treat freaks like freaks. The real problem here isn't the oddball races, it's the players that demand no consequences for their choices.

>>97626032
>I feel like you can still barricade yourself in any random room of a dungeon and sleep it off mid-dungen crawl
Nope, I'll be interrupting that long rest with something. You don't get to long rest unless it's somewhere that's actually safe.

>>97624495
I like the d&d 5e approach, where variant humans are so much better than the alternatives that only the most dedicated freakshit players will not pick them. I've run 5e with a decent lot of different players and characters and the vhuman pick rate was like 80% at least.

OP here, I've enjoyed reading all the answers offered in good faith. One thing that really popped out to me was letting players "unlock" those rare unique races in game through storytelling and gameplay.

I like to have mechanics that allow for players to drop in and out organically (a ship the rest of the party is at, a wagon they protect, a town they have adopted, an anime rpg style guild hall) because I tend to run campaigns that I have more players than room at the table for and I can have people pop in and out at different times based on availability.

I now am inspired to create a bundle of mechanics that encourages players have create multiple characters over time and they can select the one they prefer based on story and mission.

>>97633542
My friend group does that in our
play by post game on our private server, have multiple characters who drop in and out of particular jobs depending on personal interest or motive. Though it helps that everyone is willing to lean into the nature of the setting either a mishmash of different worlds and cultures, some of which are open-minded enough to not care how freaky they look, while others are so insular or xenophobic that they will prepare disguises and translators beforehand to avoid wasting time making the locals hysterical.

>>97633463
I recognize this femboy shotacon artstyle anywhere

>>97633463
Humans races are good in most Tabletops. Well outside the ones that go out of their way to make them bad now.

>>97633388
Pretty much, half of the Tieflings players now are just "Be gay and do crimes." Then complain people don't want Tieflings in their setting. The worst part of it is that Tieflings weren't like that till the gays all started playing as Tieflings and pushing this as their "culture." So people see Tiefling mains as "Annoying tourist theater queers." I mean if you make the other races just humans with a gimmick on their body. (Tall and green, thin and pointy ear, short with a beard, neon colors and a tail, etc.) You don't have a different race you have someone trying to be "different and unique." You don't have to be lockstep with your race, hometown, etc. However so many of them want to be the outlier of the group. The "main character that isn't like the others" and when everyone does it and does it badly. It just gets annoying and gay to deal with.

>>97633601
Huh? That's just a random image I saved ages ago. Is the artist someone (in)famous?

>>97633666
No that anon is just a schizo though I know which artist he means.

>>97632045
I see you point, but you are missing a couple things.
In my experience freak concepts are often made by players without regard for the setting/place/level that they play. There are a lot of people whose level one character concepts entails an unreasonable amount of things where it does not make sense to be starting at such a low level or at this place of the setting.
'Small but solid' is a lot more open ended. I often see it made by new players or at least players being introduced to a new setting.

Honestly I prefer freakshit races in D&D. I've seen the classic races far too many times and it is impossible to hold a candle to Tolkien with them. Once you’ve read Tolkien, playing a "standard" Wood Elf can sometimes feel like you’re just playing a cover song of a masterpiece.

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>>97626784
Gem

>>97633601
>>97633677
JJFrenchie?

What exactly is wrong with special snowflake parties? Adventurers by their very natures are already outliers compared to the general population. Why wouldn't people who don't fit in with mainstream society not stick together?

>>97633864
Following your premise if they're treated as outcasts i have no qualms with them

>>97625063
Why do they need to "express their otherness" anyways? You'd think roleplaying games would be a great medium to get a chance to fit in instead.
Generally, dont use your group as a therapy session, its weird and fucky.

Whose idea was it to put a cap across the river on Eastern Europe? I want to rip his fingernails out one by one and feed him to pigs alive.

>>97633918
ooops, wrong tab

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>>97626784
kek my friend!

>>97628665
>>97630199
It's an antiquated form

>>97629882
It's an idiomatic expression.

>>97631230
Huh, neat. Dragonborns are still literal aliens though

>>97629882
the lady doth protest too much, for people who care more about dogs than ladies

>>97624495
If the entire party is made of that then they're not really snowflake, aren't they?
>>97633388
I disagree in the basis that most folk myths fae are also act just like humans but with some whimsy or twist. They have courts because people have courts, they have servants and rules, etc. because that's how society worked back then. When Gulliver finds Lilliputians they are just normal people but small for his size.
Folk tales are just creature that is an animal or demon or creature that is human with a twist.

>>97634231
I think you're misunderstanding my point however
>most folk myths fae are also act just like humans but with some whimsy or twist.
And in lots of them (and novels on which d&d relies on) these quirks are especially jarring in a subtle way, like them observing humans rituals and interpreting them as nonsensical spells of sorts that one could easily dispel.

>They have courts because people have courts, they have servants and rules, etc.
With weird spins on it

>Folk tales are just creature that is an animal or demon or creature that is human with a twist.
The twist part that's important, most players would pick a lizardman and roleplay it like the guy you could met at the supermarket. Mind you i'm not referring to play-acting specifically but roleplay, like having some general idea of your character thay could define interests, do and do not, reactions to specific scenarios, etc...

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>>97634284
>most players would pick a lizardman and roleplay it like the guy you could met at the supermarket.
That squarely depends on the setting, since in some high fantasy games he may be, think something like Mr Fox on Pinocchio.
Again, people here usually have a very narrow perspective on how things can go.

>>97634298
I would argue that d&d isn't exactly right with this kind of framing (considering appendix n), only when done as an exception of sort for humorous reasons and not as a hard rule. That's why you'll get this sort of expectation whiplash.

>>97624495
Don't play with women

Rolled 74, 100, 27 = 201 (3d100)

>>97626830
Rollan

Rolled 81, 87, 24 = 192 (3d100)

>>97634552
Infravision 120, no shadow, and three appearances? Rollan again

>>97634566
Leathery red skin and cat eyes, rather generic in the end.

>>97626784
Based post

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>>97625063
>animated tit jiggle with each hop
Post more low-key coomer bait

>>97633227
>people who are unjustly vilified
And they relate to... demons?

>>97624495
As a player, don't play in games with kitchen sink race mechanics.
As a DM, curate a list of races for your world (you can even do unique mechanics!) and hand that out.

As DM, remember that these races are like paint you can use to draw up societies in your world, and there's no reason to use every conceivable brand and type of paint.

>>97633227
justly*

>>97632045
healthy sense*

>>97634383
Yeah we can tell you that you don't play.

>>97631957
No.

>>97632045
you're the one that misunderstands it.

>>97627519
How have you been prevented from playing, specifically? Provide three examples with dates and locations.

>>97627546
you lose i win

>>97632063
I would make Orcs like Turks. Cause it rhymes with Tucks. Also the whole raping and pillaging thing. Just ask Alucard about his childhood with the Turks. He spent 10 years with them. Was in his top three favorite things to kill by the way.

>>97634736
Vlad and his faggot brothers were kept as hostages despite that they werent killed when their retard father attacked to Ottomans so they couldnt have been all Neutral Evil.

>>97631589
learn what? there isn't anything they're doing wrong.

>>97633059
games are power fantasies.

>game popular for allowing many different character options
>people make use of said options
>this, somehow, is a bad thing

>>97633443
nah.

>>97633508
I'll rest wherever I want. I've colluded with the other players, and we simply won't allow the game to proceed until we've rested.

>>97633542
Nope, they don't have to be unlocked.

>>97633685
In your experience? All none of it? lol

>>97634231
Yes, they remain special regardless.

>>97634284
So what? If that's how he wants to imagine the character, then he should. Your imagination is no better.

PCs are exceptional characters in the world, they don't need to be 'normal'

>>97634736
neither orc nor turk rhymes with tuck. why would that be relevant to the decision anyway?

>>97636194
If I recall, one of the first D&D characters ever made was a displaced cowboy from Earth.

>>97624495
What problem?

>>97624495
Start an entertaining D&D livestream game about a human/elf/dwarf party that treats exotic races as actually being exotic, it's the only really viable way to spread your ideas. Just remember to conceal your power level, never use terms like freakshit, furry, etc. You don't HATE freakshit players (we do, but don't allude to it), just provide an alternative to them, be the example for others to emulate.

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>>97636274
A problem like Maria.

>>97627551
This is some of the gayest shit I read. Good for you/Congratulations on the incredible bait, I guess. I hope I dont deal with your type at my table.

>>97633685
If that's the case that's the fault of the DM. If the race is in the rulebook, there's nothing saying a player can't take it for stats or for shits, except the DM's ruling.

>>97634677
>B-but it's healfy to assume people's virtues and b-beliefs on what fantasy race they play in DnD.
>>97634691
>N-no you.

Pathetic.

>>97627551
What a weird place to see a post like this.

>>97633685
>without regard for the setting/place/level that they play.
You can easily say the same about bog standard characters, especially humans as they are THE self insert vector which can lead to irritating issues of overinvestment/identifying the character as directly representing themselves or highly barebones roleplaying.

>>97629186
Unfortunately you cannot problem solve your way out of a wet paper bag either

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>>97624495
Burn the tavern down

>>97631230
What is this? Furry Dark Sun?

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>>97637394
Le Monde des Douze, anon. The setting for Dofus/Wakfu.

>ban xyz race because of plot/setting
>players immediately say they wanted to play that
ass cancer

>>97624495
Set boundaries

>>97633685
How is the player supposed to know what races are appropriate for a setting they've yet to interact with yet?

>>97637509
Setting document and/or session zero, I should expect.

>>97637537
That's still on the DM then, to explain that certain races in the rules aren't allowed or appropriate for their setting.

If a player makes and plays a 'freak' race, regardless of your definition for it, that's still entirely on the DM and not the player, and the DM has no justification to complain about it.

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Speaking of which, have you ever tinkered an established race to fit your campaign be mechanically or fluff-wise? How hard is it?

Is freakshit simply non-human or what?

>>97637695
They always boil it down to just being obsessed with tieflings,but then if those vanished forever they'd obsess over something else. They're just nogames who think they can feel part of an ingroup in their heads by having a villain they're fighting. Something abstractly woke and feminist. But if you granted their wishes they'd boil seawater to salt and then complain it's dry.

>>97637695
annoying unfitting races. beastmen, tieflings, gnomes. fuck I hate gnomes. literally just dwarves 2 only more reddit and always, always played by a pedophile or wowtard