>>97637838
air supremacy is a necessary condition of victory in US strategy, but it is not what wins the war by itself
special forces are, definitionally, niche units used for special missions rather than for direct combat

SAS being inserted by air to take over an airport does not win the war by themselves, nor does the air supremacy that allows the SAS to land with impunity
its the capability to land large numbers of units at an airport to establish a greater battlespace that wins the war

space marine combat doctrine is unrealistic because 10-foot tall super soldiers who are immune to bullets and can drop from the sky in rocket pods are unrealistic

>>97637880
>space marine combat doctrine is unrealistic because 10-foot tall super soldiers who are immune to bullets and can drop from the sky in rocket pods are unrealistic

They pretty much are used like the special forces in the Donroe doctrine though, infiltrate or obliterate and remove leadership capabilities in the first 30 minutes once an opportunity is seen.

>>97637838
Did you paint that model yourself?

>>97637996
>Did you paint that model yourself?
I wish I was that clean

>>97638019
Post your models.

>>97637838
You missed >>/k/

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>>97637838
>you couldn't just use arial supremacy
As far as that goes, the tau, Eldar, and Necrons all do aerial supremacy better than the Imperium.

>>97638238
Imperium has the strongest navy though, meaning their the ones that get to park the carriers that launch the air craft.

>>97639133
>Imperium has the strongest navy though
Too thinly spread for that to matter.

>>97639133
sure, if the ships get there in time
and if they get there at all

>>97637838
No one thinks the use of marines as special forces is unrealistic. Marines don't fight like special forces anyway. They fight like retards.
Anyway, the US hasn't won a single war in this manner.

>>97643035
thats false. Most 40k noobs dont understand astartes are deployed like special forces.
They are a tiny elite fast attack force that swoops in does a surgical strike then leaves.

>>97637838

Such strategy is high risk high reward. If anything goes wrong, the insertion force gets annihilated.

>>97643035
Eh? We just won two, nearly back to back.
>b-b-but those weren't formally declared in front of NAFO- ACK!

>>97643035
Nicaragua Haiti basically the entire American-Indian war Greek civil war Grenada Panama gulf war Bosnia Haiti (again) Iraq (again) Syria where light special forces and minor air assets stuffed a heavy tank assault battalion of Russians, Nigeria, basically Ukraine is the US taking its special forces advisors and surveillance assets to the extreme

Before you say that doesn’t count it’s actually exactly the way it counts and what all peer militaries do because it’s much better to have a small amount of well supported elite forces like what France and Finland also do than a whole lot of crap. I could also frankly just include Vietnam because that tactic worked like a dream there was just no real will to follow up on the success and take that kind of tactic in to axe NVA leadership, even still it killed dozens of generals and was highly effective in stuffing every single offensive the NVA ever tried and curtailing and neutralizing the VC both there and in Cambodia. In fact most of the issues with special forces and light infantry usage in Vietnam was earlier on when the generals didn’t provide adequate support to the elite infantry and left them deployed for too long too brazenly. The value of special forces is that you either insert them long term and keep them highly mobile à la Rangers going back to the American Indian wars of the 18th century and maturing into the green beret forces of today, or you keep them as hard fast hit squads à la, well frankly take your pick because there’s a lot of them from the baby level of SEALs up to actual Terminators like Delta in Venezuela.

>>97643035
>>97643479
The US wins a lot of little wars you probably don’t even know happened, because the CIA is really good at just fucking killing people and SF backed up by precision strikes are the number one way they’ve been able to do that. And they tend not to brag about it unless an SEAL is involved, and usually they aren’t. Modern SF rapidly eliminate and seize control of everything from as minimal as an airport to as much as a country or just stay in theater for a decade without making news headlines until they leave with a few trophies. Where it fails is usually in the aftermath of the politics. It’s pretty much impossible to occupy people without their consent, unless you go the Ghengis Khan route, and the US has never had the stomach for that even at the height of indigenous conflicts.

In terms of 40k? Space Marines do not have to worry about hearts and minds or politicians spoiling the peace or public opinion souring on a war. They often use tactics that make the Huns look merciful and the Mongols kind. The only real problem space marines have by comparison is much more competent and technologically similar or even superior opponents. The US has no true peers and are rocking a 4000 point kill team while everyone else is spamming 2000 point conscripts or 500 point kill teams at best, meanwhile space marines are firmly mid tier in the 40k universe and usually have difficulties keeping the airspace contested. They almost never have air supremacy like the US military does.

>>97643479
>>97643492
special forces are, as mentioned in the literal first post, not the decisive factor in US doctrine

they are used for shaping operations that create the necessary conditions for conventional forces to win
SEALs, or in WW2 UDTs, de-mining a harbor does not win the battle, it just allows the army to land without losing half their forces before touching ground and to actually defeat enemy forces

>>97643492
Space Marines are really good at lightning strikes against human targets (specifically non-compliant worlds during the GC) and killing other space marines. Against Orks and Xenons they always used numbers and had major support from the Navy and Solar Aux.
The codex neutered their numbers and the modern Imperium uses them for way more things than they were intended for.

>>97637902
Iran basically invented governance, good luck with the whole "cutting the head of the snake" strategy. Iran has pretty deep but ageing defenses but they will not be plunged into chaos by the removal of a religious figurehead.

>>97637838
Yeah I've noticed the whole dismantling thing by Bibi not returning from Europe/USA.

>>97637902
>They pretty much are used like the special forces in the Donroe doctrine though,
But they aren't 90% of the bolterporno or Codexes describes them as fighting frontal force with artillery and tanks.

If 40k was realistic everyone would be fighting like the tau

>>97644164
Yeah except besides their president, theur Commander in Chief, their defense council secretary and senior military advisor, as well as the defense minister were also killed in the strikes. Best case scenario the majority of their upper command structure is dead now.

>>97644164
>Iran basically invented governance
idk if you can use the governments created thousands of years ago which have been overthrown multiple times as a point of support for the current government that came about in the 70's.

Not to downplay Iran's contingency abilities, they have been preparing for this for decades, just that I think using ancient history as a reference isn't so relevant.

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>>97643479
>>97643492
>>97644164
>>97644566
Pic related

>>97638238
Hot damn. Tau with the flight jacket over his kit goes crazy hard. I'd kill for a model like that.

>>97639133
The Imperium doesn't have Mantas.

If the militia are still killing anyone who disagrees with them under members of same government that was apparently deposed. It’s not even a regime change.

>>97639133
>Imperium has the strongest navy though
Eldar dunk on imperium so hard its not even funny. And Necrons dunk on Eldar.

>>97637838
you know how the imperium conquers all these worlds and then has to keep coming back and reinvading them because some retard took over and totally believed it would be different this time

remember that time america invaded iraq and it was gonna be a three day special operation but oop guess 4400 americans died and 32000 were wounded ie maimed for life and they were there for 8 years and it was still a shithole

yeah some of that was iran, but you know what? that ought to point you at how today is going to go, particularly as the reluctance to put boots on the ground is what led to the reliance on drone strikes for 20 years that haven't solved shit and never could, because guess what? election in november happens every two years and the us is fucking hobbled by that speculative media circus and the idea that losing a vote might actually fucking matter in a democracy where politicians are by design supposed to be replaceable

anyway good luck have fun feeding your kids to the organ grinder

>>97637902
>>97644164
The thing is, Khamenei was 86. Even if he’s dead, it could have happened three days from now and would be completely unsurprising. So you really have to wonder how load-bearing he could possibly be. Like maybe he was, but if so, seems like they were cooked in the near future anyway? In some ways, if you’re a successor, you’d probably prefer him go out like this.

>>97646716
If anything this is a doctrine designed to kill Putin or Xi. Men who have never appointed a successor and gutted the process from a desire for control.

>>97644657
military strategy has a weird penchant for attracting people with 0 credentials to act like the next alexander the great who can totally do better than everyone else

>>97644164
I don't really understand how you think this is an argument.

China had a 4000 year history of goverment authority toppled by angry communist teenagers