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Refer to the chart.
UB is a success.

>>97643465
>How's 2026 shaping up?
Itll be better after this week.

>>97643483
Based. I see Star Trek there making all the sales at the end

>>97643496
>Based. I see Star Trek there making all the sales at the end
Star Trek WILL Save Magic (STWSM)

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Mark confirms that half of sets going forward will be UB.

>>97643589
>half
That's optimistic. He also said UB wouldn't be standard legal. He's a lying sack of shit.

>>97643465
"Shar's S'hart. Formerly Sneed's"

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>>97643465
This secret lair was delayed for unknown reasons. I'm more excited for my kitten. I don't really have anything specific for all the cards. Just wanted them I guess. Maybe I'll resell them in a few years.

>>97643483
anon i know you hate UB but you're just Avatar and Final Fantasy produced absolutely staggering amounts of money

>>97643697
ESL retard

>>97643697
Chart posted.
Shills appear.
Simple as.

We LOVE UBs in this thread. Kamigawabunga, my fellow turtlers (or turtlas, if you don't like the hard R)

Random question, if you were meeting someone new and introducing yourself, would you describe yourself as a Magic the Gathering playing? Or even as an ex-Magic player?

I am trying to move on from being an 'ex Magic player' to just being a player of a different game, but it's hard.

Where Dan Dan i been waiting for half a year

>>97644010
>introducing yourself, would you describe yourself as a Magic the Gathering playing?
I don't think I would ever in my life lead with that information.

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>>97644010
Just put on your Tinder Profile you like to play boardgames

>>97644010
Fuck no, i would never ever admit i play MTG to unknown person, My hobbies are woodworking, metalworking, electricity, gardening, literally anything except MTG.

>idiots think StaTrek set will be huge success
You people do realize 90% of StatTrek fans already died because of diabetes?

>>97643589
So they're backing down? This year more than half is UB

>>97644265
No, they are going to be doing 6 sets a year instead of 7, half of which will be UB. This year was just an outlier in volume.

>>97644252
i wonder what kind of market research though it was a good idea, the only star trek fans i know are only my Dad, my aunt and their friends, there is legit not a single person under 60 that legit cares for star trek

>>97644115
Right after the 200 other secret lairs of movies and shows nobody with a pulse gives a fuck about.

just run few test of TMNT draft
Shit looks missarable, packs repeat each other too much. 190 cards my ass, shit is going to be hated in few days

>>97644410
>bought packs
you are part of the problem, please go and stay go

>>97644484
>bought packs
draftsim is free

>>97644489
>gave them usage data
your not helping

i'm still mad about "slivers you control"

>>97644527
slivers would need to get new cards in the first place

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Pigs eat slop.

>>97644302
>i wonder what kind of market research though it was a good idea
40+ year old "youths" thinking "cool with the kids" means "cool with them"

>>97644546
It's not even worth going to return to old stories or iconic planes at this point, at best we get hat sets that reference old cards or happen to take place on a plane
Even in those scenarios, the raw number of sets in universe means that it'll be years before you get followup to anything you cared about.

>>97644302
My brother likes Star Trek, including the new trash, but he wouldn’t buy mtg cards. A friend will though. He said he’s going to be getting Captain Picard for his trans brother…

>>97644410
It’ll be gone and replaced with Strixhaven in about a month. It’s a wet fart that will be forgotten as quickly as it began, leaving nothing but a skidmark.

>>97644890
bold of you to assume WOTC did more work on Strixhaven set.

I haven't yet bought any UB product, but if one comes out with a commander precon that
>is an IP i really like
>looks like a fun archetype
>features a character or group i liked from that IP
I'd probably buy it, just because I've never played commander and thus dont have the staples anyway.
The David Tennant Dr Who deck was the closest I've come, but the deck description didnt speak to me, and it sold out everywhere so was only available above msrp.
Correction, I also own most of the godzilla cards, including the lands, and have it framed on my wall next to my curio of Godzilla merch. Im missing the Hangarback Walker, we didnt realize it existed when we got the set framed. Original printing for Space Godzilla, didnt feel the need for both.

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>>97644946
ngl, same, if wotc release Cowboy Bebop, Frieren or Wesley Snipes Blade UB i will buy few boxes like a good piggy.
Oink oink, squeeeeeeeee.
Also i think deadpool is the most interesting(mechanically) MTG card printed in last decade. So i will probably buy one.

>>97644946
a part of me is tempted to go back to making custom cards like I did in high school because sometimes I see the dumb characters I made cards of back then getting official ones now and think even my dogshit over/underpowered concepts were better than what they actually did. maybe it's just cause I was doing one-offs and wasn't concerned about whether it'd make for a cohesive EDH deck (I refuse to call it commander) or fit well into a design skeleton

>>97644010
if it's to video game nerds I do, yeah. in the context of "yeah I don't really do esports anymore but I play this old card game competitively which is similar. I won $1000 in a tournament last year, it's a pretty legitimate scene."
normal people, I would try not to mention it.

>>97644302
>market research
Lol, no, it's just what maro thinks is still popular and coo

>>97644890
Talking about strixhaven, I'm surprised we're not already bombarded with spoilers

>>97645188
TMNT hasnt even launched yet officially

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>>97645188
They have to give TMNT at least a week or two. But we’ll be practically at Strixhaven by the time spoilers come out. What a fucking joke of a year. Just like the color pie being raped over and over.

Play cube.

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>>97645226
Wrong pic…

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>It actually feels very good, Seth, to have these Planeswalkers that are like kind of fair. Like they're strong, but they're not like so oppressive.
>I was just thinking about that the other day how like we kind of shifted from Planeswalkers being the face of Magic to Legendary creatures kind of being the face
>Thank Commander for that one.
>Yeah, that is a Commander thing. But I kind of miss having Planeswalkers be good.

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>>97645266
I’ve long lamented the loss of planeswalkers. But they’re not exciting or good in commander because every targets them down. Mtg is Commander now. Everything else is secondary. In a few years once UB takes over entirely Planeswalkers will barely exist.

>>97644302
I'm 23 and I like star trek

>>97645226
damn that pic is sad and soulful hope that bitch got what she deserved

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For many years I thought Serra sphinx had giant breast hanging...
But after looking at it better ... Is just a shadow and shape made by her other leg...
An idol has fallen... But I guess she still pretty anyway. Other sphinxs still have boobs after all

does wotc even understand that they are killing standard?
with 3 sets (4 if you count core, which you shouldnt) people had AT LEAST 4 month milage of their standard deck being good.
Now 7 sets per year, 2 month (sometimes less) time difference between sets, you can expect only those 2 month milage of your current standard deck, because fire card design will straight up make your shit obsolete.

inb4
>Standard
Guess what wotc will have to powercreep after killing standard, thats right
>modern
And after
>vintage
>legacy

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>>97645353
There is no way that is her bicep. It has to be boobs. Nothing else makes sense.

>>97645377
>standard
>modern
>legacy
>vintage

>>97645353
>Is just a shadow and shape made by her other leg
ESL-kun, thats a boob alright. what fucking shadow?!

>>97645418
haha yeah bro, who cares about those, the best formats are:
>play rare first = win game(thnx FIRE) Draft
>alchemy
>poorfag pauper
>brazilian modern

>>97645308
>In a few years once UB takes over entirely Planeswalkers will barely exist.
They already barely exist. UB has none of them and normie sets have like 1.
I unironically think we might wake up one day in a Standard where the card type doesn't exist

>>97645377
>does wotc even understand that they are killing standard?
Yes. They already decided 60 card best of 3 formats are obsolete

>>97645429
>alchemy
>pauper
>premodern
>edh
The only correct ways to play magic are limited and jamming whatever cards you want into a 60 card deck and playing with friends. Any other format just leads to rampant netdecking.

>>97645377
>>97645476
Pauperchads and premodernchads stay winning

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>>97645476
Arena is the biggest insult of modern magic. Wotc has information of thousands of standard decks a day. They could design the most balanced sets imaginable. Instead, we get magic infused with mental illness and estrogen.

We need an edit of the edh and cube comfy bunker except its the pauper and premodern comfy bunker

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>>97645520
>pauper and premodern comfy bunker
here you go

WOTC will try to bandaid this mess with another new format PRE -UB. I can fucking feel it.
Like i am 99% sure we will get AT LEAST 2 new formats this year.

>>97645308
you kids are nostalgic for planeswalkers but I hated them since day 1. UB largely getting rid of them has been a blessing for the game.

>>97645517
lol eat it, standardbabby.
sets aren't designed around standard and shouldn't be. it has always been a garbage format.

>>97645586
you shouldn't just say things that are objectively and demonstratively untrue.

>>97645424
>>97645415
I just thought she had a deformed lion arm.

But thanks to restoring my faith on serra

>>97644010
As long as you still post here you're an ex magic player. You have not moved on

>>97645636
But I’ve seen like 5 people in these threads say they sold all their cards and don’t play or care about Magic anymore. Are you telling me that they were lying?

>>97645561
They will make UB block constructed as part of their deal with Marvel to make sure capeshit cards see play

>>97645650
Nope but they also need to move on because they're acting like an "ex-magic player" and not a new game player.

what the FUCK is ninja turtles anyway
why are they teenage and why does this matter
why does mtg always pick the most washed dogshit properties to collaborate with

>>97645687
Because they pick what (people like) MaRo thinks would be cool and nothing else
>Final Fantasy? That series was so awesome I remember playing FF7 on the PS1!
>Spider Man? Well duh, of course!
>TMNT? That was so sick back in the day!
Meanwhile anyone born since the 90s doesn't care about any of these things (except for troons and final fantasy)

>>97645687
What third world hellhole do you live in where you’ve never heard of TMNT before?

>>97645716
Okay but why are they teenaged?

>>97645718
Probably because the series was meant to appeal to children and teenagers in the 80s and 90s.

>>97645687
>there were 2 brothers in japan
>one was good and was much better kung fu than other (Splinter)
>other was evil and didnt like it, his kung fu was weak
>evil one set up his brother to look like he wanted to assasinate some super kunfu guy
>good kungfu guy got exiled
>somehow ended in New York
>since he had no skills, he lived in sewers
>evil corporation was dumping waste into sewers
>turns out it was substance that mutated alive organisms into something they spend a lot of time with
>he started mutating into kungfu rat
>found and saved 4 turtles that were drowning in mutagen
>saved them
>since he was part human they started mutating in human
>Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
>(He's a radical rat!)
>Leonardo leads
>Donatello does machines
>That's a fact, Jack!
>Raphael is cool but rude
>Michelangelo is a party dude

>>97645735
Who is jack and what relevancy does he have regarding the storyline and lore?

>>97645740
I assumed your name is Jack

>>97645650
mostly obsessed schizos addicted to social media outrage.
they're in other threads/boards making similar posts every day as well. it's just what this site has turned into.

>>97643697
>staggering amounts of money
I wish we had actual numbers rather than "dude trust me" for really any of the sets

>>97645740
Don’t act like you don’t know jack. You get jacked every time you go out in your favela to play premodern with your buddies.

>>97645756
Lawsuit discovery could have been biblical but pussy ass niggas dropped it
The firefighter pension fund one or whatever is still going right?

>>97645756
If you don’t think Final Fantasy and Lord of the Rings made an actual fuck ton of profit you are actually retarded.

>>97643589
Will we get special promo cards for seeing the movie in theatres like pokemons? Boy i hope so and i hope loot is in the movie too.

>>97645809
I hope loot dies in every episode of the tv show.

I hope there is lots of loot porn

>>97645826
>loot dies in every episode of the tv show
South Park did it

>>97644302
>there is legit not a single person under 60 that legit cares for star trek
Then why are there 3 different people in this thread shilling Trek?

TNG was an iconic tv show that many millenials learned to love even if it wasnt "our generation". Trek had dynamic characters, attractive characters, good plot, and relatively few filler episodes. Also non-trekkies wont get this, but Trek is very much a good ip for UB because it is inherently a fantasy show. The only real problen is it will probably have a ton of legendaries but if they design it well, it wouldnt be as egregious as turtles or spiderman in that regard.

>>97645872
Ok boomer

>>97645772
I didnt say that they didnt. But how much was it relative to other sets? Also what was the cost of making those sets? Surely UB sets cost more to make.

>>97645872
If it includes a single card from the 2 recent star trek shows that are just tranny queer wokeslop for gay and trans people then the set will be undefendably terrible and ruined

>>97645887
Final Fantasy was sold out at legitimately 90%+ of magic stores. I don’t remember Lord of the Rings being sold out, but it had a 2 million dollar chase card to lure the whales, scalpers and gamblers to buy as much as possible. Final Fantasy also had 77 50,000 chase cards. Couple all that with an increase in pricing for UB sets to offset any costs that relate to using the IPs and you get, easily, the two highest selling sets of all time.


In regards to Avatar, I’m not sure how it’s the 3rd highest selling sets. It isn’t as big as FF or Lotr and didn’t have any gigantic chase cards.

>>97645707
That is why you have sponge Bob stuff
For the 90's kids

>>97645980
This is true for sure but I suspect that wotc learned their lesson. They didnt include Korra in ATLA. I dont think they will risk railroading Trek by including nu-trek in it.

>>97645980
I do wonder if they're going to put a cap on what appears
Would enterprise even be worth including

When does the Dandan secret lair hit?

mushoku tensei UB when?

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>>97646074
It already had one.

just came to the realization that magic is fortnite now

>>97646433
Just now this has dawned on you?

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>>97646433
come home

>>97646101
Never, Redditoids consider it too problematic and they run the game

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>>97646564
this sucks

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I'd really like to make a 60 card deck to play in some stuff with locals. I've heard standard is very "just try to ram your strategy down someone else's throat" right now, so I want to take the opportunity to make a deck for my girl Terra. I love the art and character but I don't want to have some WUBRG slop Tom Bombadil commander deck.

Admittedly I'm kind of out of my element with this format. I'm in gruul, maybe naya if I try to include GW Yuna, should that deck base start with 4 badgermole cub and formidable speakers? Seems like the first few turns are just going to aggressively ramp into flipping Terra and either impending/copying the Overlord or pitching/rezzing bahamut to copy him. Anybody fucked around with her builds?

>>97646581
if your deck cant win on turn 4 or 5 its too slow for current standard

>>97646074
One of the remaining Mondays this month. It's a "chaos" drop, so they refused to say which one.

>>97646597
So what does current standard look like, deck or turn wise, in regards to some sort of gruul strategy requiring a tap ability? Turns 1 and 2 llanowar/badgermole ramping bullshit, 3 to bolster and maybe tutor the last piece, then blow shit up turn 4?

>>97645707
The stuff's cool, too bad hasbrowizards are burning a pre-existing property to the ground

>>97646742
gruul isn't really a deck right now. the only deck that plays those colors is basically mono green instant kill deck that plays mightform harmonizer, icetill explorere and red pump spells that give trample

>>97646742
Standard meta looks kinda like this:
>izzet casts 5 spells in responce to your first land drop
>drops monument turn 2
>kills you

>mono green ramps into Thousand/Thousand creatures turn 3 because you dared to not have removal for badger mole turn 2

>>97645872
>millenials
Are closer to retiremant age than high school now

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What's that specific thing that made you say "Yeah, Magic is not for me anymore"?

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>>97646991
Tyrannosaurus-Duck has better art than the original

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>>97646991

I just submit a hand to 3 card blind and think it's neat.

>Mountain
>Crack the Earth
>Dryad Arbor

Find a flaw.

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>>97643589
>our property is important to us

>>97646991
Wasn't one specific thing. A combination of pack prices doubling, a new set releasing every two months of less, designing sets with commander in mind more so than 60 card or limited, phasing your own world out in favor of other properties i don't care about, insane power creep. Plus many more dumb decisions. I could handle two or three of these, but they seem to be doing everything possible to drive out the people that were actually playing the game in favor of people that just want to collect stuff that makes them feel nostalgia for their childhood, or for people who ONLY play commander.

>>97643697
>Avatar and Final Fantasy produced absolutely staggering amounts of money

>"Bro that first hit of heroin was AWESOME!!!"
This is your brain on retard.

>>97643697
I work in a big toy store that sells its Pokemon card stock out immediately. We have MtG cards but no one buys them. If WotC were making any real money we'd have their shit and it'd be flying out, but that's not happening. Why?

>>97647144
Magic had been marketed as cardboard crack long before UB

>>97647153
That literally happened with Final Fantasy.

>>97647161
We didn't stock it.

>>97647168
Sonds like a bad business decision on your part.

>>97647175
Nobody comes into our store asking about MtG. Why would we bother when we can spend that time and effort getting hold of Pokemon? Last time we got a big Pokemon drop we had people queuing from 1:45am. By the time the store opened the queue was long enough to deplete our entire Pokemon card inventory.

Most people don't even know MtG exists.

>>97647190
If you work in a toy store, you probably have a bunch of children coming in with their parents. Pokemon is bought up by either children, scalpers or people that are trying to get off on nostalgia. Magic is bought up by 20-40 year olds.

>>97647113
>our property is important to us
Translation from corpo-speak:
>"We think keeping it around will make more money (for now) than scrapping it."

>>97647190
retard, kids go to toy stores to buy pokemon cards
fat old men go to their LGS to buy magic cards and warhammer and shit

>>97647242
>retard, kids go to toy stores to buy pokemon cards
Kids? You think anyone in the queue buying Pokemon cards was a kid? LOL

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>>97646991
This schedule.
For me is absolute fucking madness.
And not only for the 4 UB sets.

I have a local store that does a once a year draft of donated rares and mythics from across magic's history. Probably the most fun I've ever had playing Magic. Last year I think there was over $8000 worth of cards donated

>>97647258
wait Strixhaven is april?
jesus. mid april usually has a set launch so that's only like 6 weeks away from Turtles launch.
(works for me though; I'm only going to draft this Turtle shit for 1 week max so that's only 5 weeks of not playing until Strixhaven, which was a fantastic Limited set).

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Is he just straight up lying now?

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>>97647319
>now

>>97647319
>Spider-Man is one of the top ten best-selling sets of all-time.
Perhaps soon his lies will become so blatant that even the sloppiest of slopsuckers will see it.

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>>97646991
Tarmogoyf got 3 different power crept versions in 1 set

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>>97647319
>Spider-Man is one of the top ten best-selling sets of all-time
Ok, he really thinks his customer base is full of fucking retards right?

Just got word from Mark Rosewater, bros!
TMNT is the highest selling set of all time!

Red Deck Wins? The correct name is Noob Deck Noobs. Monored is the little baby noob deck every single time.

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>>97647319
>Spider-Man is one of the top ten best-selling sets of all time.

>>97647319
The only way this makes any sort of sense is if the "sales" he always talks about is what games stores buy from distributors, not sales to customers.

>>97647446
>The only way this makes any sort of sense is if the "sales" he always talks about is what games stores buy from distributors, not sales to customers.
These are probably the stats he's using, because he is an idiot.

Palettes of booster boxes sitting in landfills count as "Sales" when they're talking to shareholders..

>>97645308
Reminder that the reduction in Planeswalkers decision was made at the same time Kikewater said White now “cares the MOST about planeswalkers”

people dont understand how wotc makes money lol
>SpiderMan set gets announced and spoiled
>LGS are super pumped because FF made them gazillion dollars
>they preorder TONS of spiderman product
>they pay up for it upfront
>wotc is swimming in money
>LGSs are swimming in dogshit product nobody wants

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>>97646808
But I was told ALL colors have a chance to thrive in Standard.

>>97647464
Sorry, what step of this process do people not understand?
Because this is universal knowledge as far as I know.

>>97647446
... no shit, sherlock
that's normal
that's how sales data always works

>>97647468
I see a lot of people here not believing spiderman made tons of money for wotc, just wanted to clarify. IT MADE SHIT TON OF MONEY FOR WOTC!
They dont give a shit what LGS did with those boxes nobody wants.

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>>97647475
Shouldn't they, though? If LGS keep buying tons of all the UB that nobody wants and having it remain on shelves forever they'll either stop buying as much product or go out of business and buy no product.

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>>97647466
>But I was told ALL colors have a chance to thrive in Standard.
They do! White has... it has..
>Clicks View More
Just a second... it has... uh....
Rest in Peace!

>>97647477
Overall meta share is what matters. Nobody cares about one shitbrew getting lucky with its matchups and having every opponent mull to 5 in one tournament.

>>97647319
>overprint UB and underprint UW
>UW underperform in comparison
>"... our stats report that people love UB way more"
Wow, what a genius, thanks Israel!

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https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/return-to-new-york

>>97647516
>The designers of Magic didn't realize they were doing multiple sets in New York until months after releasing the sets.
Amazing. Bravo. BIG BRAIN.

>>97647516
>In the end, this set was a love letter to the messy New York City we love; the only city in the world where mutated teenage turtles really feel like they belong!

How did these people get hired to design Magic cards

>>97644302
Same people that thought cowboys, detectives and wacky racers where cool I guess.

>>97647464
This is how several companies die. Once they start thinking about ways to sell to their distributors rather than to the customers it’s over. MtG is strong enough to keep going for years but they desperately need a course correction. They need to choose their UB products much better. Some people will like garbage like marvel and tmnt but others will be completely turned off. Look at Planar Standard. They’re essentially splitting standard. MtG is headed for a huge crash unless rubbish like Marvel and Star Trek does well. Here are just a few issues TMNT has had
>All the same color dice sent to stores
>Promos already curled
>Packs with no rares
>Textured and damaged cards out of the pack
>Poor attendance from a burnt out audience
>A small set made even smaller by characters repeating. I literally saw someone’s board had 5 leonardos including buddy cards. It’s fucking retarded.
I’m sure there are many more issues. It’s a better limited environment than Spiderman, which is almost a compliment.

>>97647553
>They need to choose their UB products much better.
Yes. They need to choose zero.

>>97647553
>Some people will like garbage like marvel and tmnt but others will be completely turned off.
It's honestly crazy how they shouted for years that sets can't have horror themes or skeletons or realistic spiders because they might turn some players away and "MAGIC IS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!" (tm) but when it comes to UB they have ZERO concern for its divisiveness. They don't even mention it.

Players who don't want UB in the game? SCREW 'EM. But whiny babies who don't like spiders? Yeah, we'll completely and totally pander to those idiots.

>>97647562
In an ideal world yes. But LoTR etc made too much money for that to ever happen.

>>97647571
>In an ideal world yes. But LoTR etc made too much money for that to ever happen.
Money should only be a concern up to the point when your product is sustainable.

Greed is a sin.

>>97647562
If they did one a year in and gave them their own border, similar to un-sets, it would be fine.

>>97647319
Nah. Retailers stocked up on Spider Man because it's the thing. They don't know individual sales.

>>97647577
>If they did one a year in and gave them their own border, similar to un-sets, it would be fine.
Nope. It still wouldn't be fine. Your attempt to boil the frog is disgusting and you should go leap into a septic tank for being such a shit.

>>97647582
Nah, you're wrong.

>>97647588
I don't care what you think.
You are in favor of slop and the degeneration of culture. Your opinion is irrelevant.

>>97647446
anon how the fuck would they track sales to customers
are you a moron

>>97647575
>>97647582
I can tell this anon is deeply autistic and has no ability to see shades of grey. Don’t waste your time on autists, they’re insufferable pariahs and troon out at an unprecedented rate.

>>97647595
I accept your concession, anon.

>>97647612
There was no concession.

>>97647615
I accept that you have no real argument, it's okay.

>>97647605
>I can tell this anon is deeply autistic and has no ability to see shades of grey.

>"How about we come to a compromise and only burn SOME Renaissance paintings, instead of all of them!"
Good men do not negotiate with terrorists, nor do they compromise with evil.

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>>97647619
>I accept that you have no real argument, it's okay.
Yep. Here we go again.

>>97647632
>I'm right because of the liberals
Again, I accept your concession. You lose.

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>twitter screencap

>>97647637
>>97647640
It's funny, because you are such total uneducated laymen that you don't even realize how pathetic your complete lack of ability to communicate appears to people who know how to express a thought.

>>97647566
We’re all equal, but some are more equal than others.

Wotc just apply DEI crap in whatever way benefits them the most. Just like all corporations do. The only thing they actually give a shit about is money. But unlike in other industries their enshitification of mtg is not without competitors. Many new tcgs are popping up courting the mtg audience and taking large swathes of market share. For example One Piece, Yugioh, Sorcery, Flesh and Blood etc. If they refuse to cater to some of the fanbase they will make their own formats (premodern, planar standard, block constructed and etc), cubes, or go to a new card game entirely.

>>97647648
Your only argument as to why Final Fantasy isn't one of the best sets in a decade plus is "nuh uh muh UB" and you're pretending that you know how to express a thought?

>>97647619
You’re doing it wrong anon. You say I accept your concession then unless they post something meaningful you move on. 90% of the time they just post
>No u
Just like autist-kun, so by replying you’re validating their nonsense.

>>97647664
>Your only argument as to why Final Fantasy isn't one of the best sets in a decade
That isn't even remotely it lmao.
Your lack of language comprehension skills are on display. Stop embarrassing yourself, anon.

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Is incredible how the fucking slop seems inherently merged with the design policies of this company, I don't know if this is the effect of Cummander as the main game or if they do what they can with that corpos decide but the fact even they know and joke about stupid settings placed in New York shows how hopeless the future is.

>>97647671
lmao yes it is. Explain why it was a bad set from both a gameplay and design perspective. Oh wait, you can't.

>>97647427
You'd only need to spend a day in the store on the weekend to know he is telling the truth. Yes, it is Wizards making the product. But it's also the people buying it. I'm beginning to realize that nobody on /tg/ actually interacts in-person with Magic. The stupid shit you people say is a lie or false is easily proven simply by actually having any kind of interaction with the customer.

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>>97643483
>>97643697
True

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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home.

>>97647680
>lmao yes it is.
You do not get to tell me what my argument is. That isn't how reality works.

>Explain why it was a bad set from both a gameplay and design perspective.
Not relevant, request ignored.
It is bad from a metaphysical perspective, likely 2deep4u to hold a conversation about.

Look, I get it. Low-intelligence, uneducated people like you police each other with shaming tactics and peer pressure.
Let me explain to you this: These tactics do not work on people who are aware of how pathetic you are.
We would rather partake in meaningful conversations with similarly capable people, than cast our pearls before the swine that is you.

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>>97647694
mtgo sucks tho

>>97647705
Just play in paper then.

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>>97647694
Stop importing your Brazilian culture.

>>97646991
The price of product. I specifically remember with Modern Horizons 3, that's when I started to get sticker-shock at the prices.

>>97647722
>Brazilian culture
>Slop slurper keeps memeing about Brazil
Lmao pathetic.

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>Stop importing your Brazilian culture.

>>97647604
According to WotC, they use cold call phone surveys for that. This is where they get statistics like when MaRo said over 75% of players don't know what a planeswalker or a format is.

>>97647694
Reminder the spammers are from a Brazilian discord and are trying to pump and dump their overpriced old cards.

Premodern had potential but this no effort spam has completely ruined it for me. HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

>>97647468
many tourists here don't understand how any of this works and just want to cry about the same talking points they've been fed every day

>>97644302
They got it with the Paramount deal so they're going to use it

>>97647566
I'm pretty sure MaRo has spouted off some statistics about how the number of players who have a negative opinion about UB is negligibly small. How is that data being collected? Rigorous means, rest assured.

>>97643589
>Netflix show
OMG They/Them Bisexual mixed race Jace is finally happening

>>97647769
>I'm pretty sure MaRo has spouted off some statistics about how the number of players who have a negative opinion about UB is negligibly small.
After beheading every Saxon in Brittany, Charlamange did a survey and was pleasantly surprised at the low amount of Saxon sympathy in the region.

>>97647773
obsessed culture war tourist

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>>97647681
The problem is that it's all tricks and unironic pilpul. MaRo says many things that are technically true, but we can all recognize that the framing is dishonest.

>>97647752
you should already have owned premodern cards for like 20+ years now, or did you start playing during the Jacetice league era?

>>97647787
>He doesn’t even deny the brazilian allegations anymore
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

Stop insulting Brazil. It's an awesome country and the fact that Premodern is popular means we are AHEAD of you in culture.

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>>97647694
Been having fun with pic related in MTGO.

>>97647722
Don't you have some pizzaslop to eat? mmmmm... yeah boy, eat up that pizzaslop.

>>97647793
I'm not even the premodern spammer. But it is funny to see how bent out of shape you get over it. Not brazilian either, there, good enough for you? Now go play with your Loot plushie.

>>97647722
>>97647752
samefag

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>>97647777
>denying the fact that nosewater made an entire blogpost where he pretends that his opinions are the same as those in power and then tries to justify jamming his culture war nonsense into MTG
If Nosewater didn't want culture war, he wouldn't have made all humans some variation of negroid in the newer sets. But now it's part of the game. The culture war was jammed into MTG by Nosewater.

>>97647826
>>are
aren't

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>>97647805
unfortunately one of the Premodern spammers was the confirmed to be the underage Brazilian schizoid faveledditor from the Arena general who accidentally doxxed himself by using his tripcode too much, so the format has been tainted here.
there are many of those types here

>>97647777
What? You haven’t seen Stranger Things? Being gay is literally a superpower

>>97647859
>What? You haven’t seen Stranger Things? Being gay is literally a superpower
>Sticks hands out and screams.
Take that, chud!

>>97647858
It's quite odd how 4chan has become a gathering place of mentally ill browns. Maybe giving them internet access was one of the greatest mistakes the west ever made.

>>97647826
I don't see why putting black people into a setting is so bad. As long as they don't change the races of established characters what is the problem?

How can anyone here believe a single thing Maro says? He lies as much as he breaths. Even when hes technically telling the truth its done in a deceptive way

>>97647858
Oh wow, that sucks. Guess I'll have to swallow the pizzaslop now.

>>97647878
It's his job.

>>97647874
>I don't see why putting black people into a setting is so bad
Anachronisms are a sign of bad design.
Intentionally introducing them is a signal of wilfully bad design.
It's one thing to suck at something. It's another thing entirely to do it intentionally.

> As long as they don't change the races of established characters what is the problem?
First, Kayla bin-Kroog. Problem established.
Second, the problem is one of aesthetic consistency. Zhalfir and Kamigawa do not display this kind of problem, but Kaldheim does.

The best way I could express the problem is, you want internal consistency within the setting. The forcing of ethnically diverse characters into the setting is a 4th-wall-breaking design concern. It is as if the universe is ruled by a deity who dictates such things, which creates dissonance within the setting.
Suspension of disbelief is vital to good storytelling. Deliberately introducing politics through the 4th wall ruins that.

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>>97647891
>Anachronisms are a sign of bad design.
This, blacks have a specific place as savage/unrefined cultures. Or if you're going to have some blacks make them their own culture at least. Not this fucking "everywhere is just like LA a melting pot" bullshit.

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>>97647799
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

>>97647891
Neon Dynasty does have black characters. Raiyuu is black. Tezzeret is black.

>>97647826
>more schizoid culture war ramblings
really not beating those allegations, kid

>>97647928
>Neon Dynasty does have black characters
Real Kamigawa.
Bolas won in the real timeline. Everything after WAR is fake.

>>97647928
Tezzeret is race fluid.

>>97647928
Raiyuu is black, Tezzeret is just Californian.

>>97647953
>"employs" a diverse cast of slaves to do his bidding in EoE
It's true, Tezzeret is Californian coded.

>>97647866
yeah, this place turned into a daycare for mentally ill social media addicts to endlessly screech about whatever culture war grievances have been drilled into them.
they post 20x as often as a normal human so it's a hopeless state of affairs.

>>97647930
MTG is now a culture war game. D&D is now a culture war game. The grognards and OSR fans have been booted out for pro-zog and globohomo normalfags. It's all thanks to JotC prioritizing the positions and opinions of those who have the most economic power (the tranny position) while Nosewater makes up some nonsense about somehow being "opposing people in power" when he's just pushing the politics of those who have economic power.

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>>97647905
pic related is my favorite depiction of blacks in mtg

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>spiderflop outsold eoe
This game is cooked

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>>97647874
>As long as they don't change the races of established characters
oh but they did

>>97647999
And that's retarded. Being mad that they put a black guy in space is also retarded.

>>97647960
>social media addicts
Were always present on this site.
>culture war grievances have been drilled into them
Opposing trannies, miscegenation, and internationalism is just the natural human default. Humans are default tribalistic and favor those who are like them more than others. Rather the opposite position, the pro-globohomo, anti-racist, etc. positions are the ones that have to be drilled into them by two or more decades of consistent propaganda from schooling, television, etc.
>a normal human
Normalfags are the worst kind of people. Universally poor taste. Extremely indoctrinated. And then they pretend that their unnatural and abnormal beliefs that came as a result of decades of indoctrination and propaganda are somehow the normal views. And then we have people such as yourself who don't understand this who then complain when someone actually has normal human beliefs and doesn't like the abnormality they're referred with double speech. The natural position is something "drilled into them" while the unnatural position and artificial position from decades of indoctrination is said to be that of """"normal""" humans."

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Sweet Baby secret lair when??

>>97647961
>another buzzword-laden, schizophrenic culture warrior meldown
yeah, still not beating those allegations.

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>>97647961
>now

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>>97647999
Ware da elf wimmin at?!

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>>97648014
two weeks

>>97647999
lol years later and you're still mad about that yet you still don't know who was responsible for it (hint: it wasn't WotC)

>>97648007
>Muh muh muh Afrofuturism
Fuck off

>>97648015
Yet again, the normal person who notices what's wrong and points it out is called the "schizo" while the abnormal person who goes along to get along with their programming is "normal." Peak doublespeak.

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>>97648029
Here is a brown where they don't belong from current year

>>97648032
Despite how mad it may make you, there are black people that have been to space. You can't change that.

>>97648040
Gay Niggers From Outer Space is fiction, anon.

>>97648033
>Peak doublespeak.
Continue to call it out at every turn.
The power of such garbage anti-thought misanthropy is dwindling.

>>97648040
Is "being to space" such a high bar? Albert 2 has been to space

>>97648036
>brown person on a magic card
oh no that means its time for another unmedicated social media meltdown

>>97648045
You're the one throwing a fit that they depicted a black person as an astronaut in a magic set, so it must be a pretty high bar to you.

>>97648049
Sure, if we're gonna depict every living thing that's been to space ... where's my Albert 2 card? Oh that's right, it doesn't fit the narrative.

>>97648029
>hint: it wasn't WotC
proof?

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>>97647999
I understand they didnt get the rights to the movie likeness; sure whatever. I really wouldn't care if only one of his cards is raceswapped; tossing a bone for the language to gnaw on is whatever.

But literally every single fucking card of Aragorn, an explicitly white character as written by our lord and savior Tolkien, probably the most lusted over character in the entire fandom largely because he was portrayed by peak Viggo Mortensen, is just made in to a generic middle aged black guy. Why? Why pay MILLIONS for the rights to a fucking property just to butcher one of its most recognizable pieces? It's like paying to make Harry Potter merch and making Ron a Chinese guy.

>>97648010
not even a trvke just a normal post expressing well understood truths

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>>97648040
Women too, they do love their billion dollar diversity stunts. US tax money really going to the important projects lmao

But to come back to MtG. Which Star Trek character do you think will be race swapped? My guess is Spock, Troi, or a new black Dax.

>>97648056
Aren't they making Snape a nigger in a new adaptation?

>>97647987
>spider-man is one of the top ten best selling sets of all time
he's just blatantly lying at this point

>>97648065
>bottom left
Apparently they also sent onis to space.

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>>97648029
>WotC
JotC. And yes they were responsible. If they didn't want to put some zulu with dreads on the Aragorn card they wouldn't have put that art on several cards.

>>97647987
UW sisters... our response??

>>97648074
Wizards is ultimately responsible, but the card wouldn't have gotten printed if Tolkien's estate hadn't okayed it.

LAWD OF DA RANG:
>PART 1: FELLOSHIP OF DA RANG
>PART 2: DA TWO BBC
>PART 3: RETURN OF DA KANG

>>97648066
I dont know, I'm not a faggot or a cat lady so I havent looked in to HP media in nearly two decades.

how did 4chan end up in a place where most of its posts are a handful of mentally ill people screaming about blacks and transsexuals all day...

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If you don't want to hear about how much I dislike mud people. Don't put them where they don't belong

>>97648099
This card needed a more foot-centered camera angle desu.

>>97648099
>set depicts turtles from all eras and all continuity
>April is consistently depicted as black
There is no agenda. Pattern recognition is a liability. Consoom products.

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>>97647923
>Declaring war on sparrows, winning, and then realizing all too late that they were actually the good guys

>>97648099
April was originally black, the h'wite bitch you perked off to as a kid was new for the cartoon

>>97644302
It's known Paramount have in the past required TMNT shit as a prerequisite for allowing other successful crossover vehicles to have Avatar, I'd be unsurprised if Star Trek got added to that pile too after their recent slate of shows failed to get any attention from anyone but hatewatchers.

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>>97648116
she wasn't black, every girl in the 80s had a huge curly perm

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Did you know that only racists hate TMNT and pizzas? We (inclusive 4channers) need to band together and own the chuds by buying out all TMNT produts from the stores so the chuds can't enjoy playing with them! Haha - signed, not Maro

>>97648130
>that jawline
looks black to me

>>97648146
It's true, /mtg/ love black people in cards. We need black Data and black Spock NOW, because black people have been to space.

I’m not even a Chud, I don’t mind getting sucked off by a tranny, I just don’t want to hear him yap about Leftist bullshit while he does it

>>97648152
I hope we get black picard too, that would be so empowering

>>97648156
he should have a huge afro though

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>>97648154
>I don’t mind getting sucked off by a tranny
Bejitabro BTW.

>>97648158
Okay, since you insisted (top row, middle), we'll make Captain Kirk black first.

>>97648158
>they made Worf black
dear Lord I'm gunna have another buzzword meltdown

>>97648158
Not black enough, we need more

>>97648158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OEtZAlD0TE

>>97648158
>black people exist
>so therefore we need to black wash white people and pretend like they dont exist
bravo tranny shill

>>97644010
It depends on the context. Among 'respectable' normie company I generally say my hobbies are books and movies. I'll include video games if it's not in a professional context and if I'm in a nerdy sphere I'd be more specific and also include MtG and board games.

>>97648158
That's more black characters than Final Fantasy, Avatar and Lord of the Rings combined.

>>97648137
I like TMNT. It just doesn't fit into MTG like the rest of UB doesn't.

At least Final Fantasy had a comparable fantasy/scifi hybrid element to what was in MTG prior to the UB nonsense to the point where it was more along the lines of the artstyle and some of the aesthetic choices that didn't fit. Avatar also at least has some fantasy elements, just more along the lines of eastern fantasy which is present in some MTG sets. The problem with FF and Avatar is just them being jammed into the game at the cost of its artistic character to attempt to appeal to people who would have never considered MTG in the first place.

In the case of Spiderman, Spongebob, Sonic, etc. they don't fit MTG in any way whatsoever.

>>97648192
Magic lost its "artistic character" years ago. More than a decade ago, even.

Notice how the Redditor went for the "April was originally black" narrative when turtles are allowed to have different depictions. Because that's how Redditors operate, truths only exist to benefit blacks.
If you have a white character in the source material and there's a single sentence mentioning that he was "tanned" from going to the beach, then canonically he must be depicted as an African.

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>>97648160
Goku bro...

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>>97648184
Now this is how they could have sold cards.

>>97647101
if I'm understanding '3 card blind' properly, this seems pretty terrible.

You can't play it on the play so if your opponent goes t1 land -> 1drop with 2 or more toughness you seem fucked.

>>97645353
Please, elaborate with a drawing.

>>97648205
Piccolo is black.

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>>97648222
You mean Mr. Popo, the canonical depiction of black people in the Dragonball universe.

>>97648158
what a charming negress