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A thread for discussing the Star Wars franchise and its various media and tabletop games.
Spectres minis edition
>Adepticon roadmaps:
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/adepticon-2026-roadmap-st ar-wars-legion/
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/adepticon-2026-roadmap-st ar-wars-shatterpoint/
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Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing, Armada, and Legion
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Star Wars Roleplaying Games (d6/d20/FFG)
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Other FFG Star Wars tabletop (Imperial Assault, Destiny and the LCG)
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Old links
>https://pastebin.com/yUVx32wB
X-Wing/Armada/Legion/Shatterpoint:
>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/update-on-star-wars-x-wi ng-and-star-wars-armada/
>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-legion-documents
>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-legion-transmissions
>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/swp-transmissions/
>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/swp-rules/
Latest Edge news:
>https://edge-studio.net/a-new-hope/
>https://edge-studio.net/star-wars-edge/
Unlimited links:
>https://starwarsunlimited.com/articles/
>https://swudb.com/
>https://karabast.net
TQ: Which Adepticon reveal are you the most hyped about?
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Thoughts on my portrait of Omega? I love how it came out.
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>>97803667
I know this is a bait post, but
>dead game
>gets a gorillion announced minis
>New stuff keeps coming out regularly
How is it dead, exactly? They admitted it a few months ago, the game is doing great in sales.
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>>97803676
Asmodee shifting the games to AMG cost a lot of trust, ended up wit hXWM and Armada dead and SW RPG appears to be in a coma.
Also, the entire franchise has been mismanaged by Disney to such a degree that people just walked away, eitehr from due to the drama or the actual mishandling of the setting.
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>>97803680
Poor little black guy. No amount of Incognito or Uncanny Luck will save that Lando.
I played a game saturday with the new Objectives (Cauldron+Supply Run). Turn 1 went well then I messed up activation order on turn 2 and everything went downhill from here.
My opponent's red droids look amazing.
I probably could have won if I had played the Secondary better but it was a good learning experience overall
I expected Lando to feed Cassian fleets Standbys, but I feel like I got more value out of using Guidance to move stuff around for unexpected objectives grabs or threat range extension. He's great.
I think I need fewer time-sensitive units.
Positioning is also hard to get a feel for.
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>>97804262
Very interesting. Those droids look great too. I have yet to play the new objectives. A lot of them seem to require that you actually spend actions to score, which seems interesting.
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>>97804772
Sorry bro, as I said in the previous thread, this is Mr. Filoni's Wild Dickin' Ride, and you're in it. He is going to turn SW into his story if it means making it so that by 2030 we won't have gotten a single story about the OT or PT cast for years
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>>97805066
> by 2030 we won't have gotten a single story about the OT or PT cast for years
I mean, I don’t really want all SW stories to exclusively focus on OT & PT characters and them alone. That’s how things get tired and stale. Not to mention that the OT characters’ story is basically done, the end of RotJ being their big “happily ever after” storybook ending; to keep dragging them into the spotlight feels cheap, and a little disrespectful of the characters.
The Star Wars Galaxy is a big place, there’s plenty of room to introduce a new cast of OCs, with new dynamics, new backgrounds, and can go on adventures that are wholly their own without having to shit on the legacy of the beloved characters that came before.
That’s a big part of why Rogue One, Rebels, and the first few seasons of The Mandalorian got such positive fanfare. People want new content, not just retreads of old content.
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>>97805201
Except that the modern characters are currently more important than the OT and PT cast. Ahsoka singlehandedly is one of the founders of the Rebellion, is tracking Thrawn in another part of the galaxy, helped defeat the Empire, etc. And she appears in way more content than LUKE SKYWALKER has EVER appeared in
Same with Filfaggot's other characters
Also your point misses the fact that just because we got Luke's ending in RotJ that doesn't mean his life is over, what happened in the EU has some lowpoints like DE but overall his evolution into Grand Master is far, FAR more respectful than Disney's take where he does absolutely fuck all after RotJ, then pisses off to die in an island somewhere while the galaxy gets conquered
>That’s a big part of why Rogue One, Rebels, and the first few seasons of The Mandalorian got such positive fanfare
Rogue One got fanfare because it was tied to ANH and Leia and Tarkin cameo'd, even if as cursed CGI puppet things
Rebels was overall hated, people saw it as a dumb kiddie show from the start and it did not get recognition as it went on. The few fans it realistically had had been sucking Filoni's dick since TCW and felt obligated to watch it since it's the sequel series
Mandalorian was liked because it's basically a Boba Fett show in the way it should have gone, although it's really soulless and people have been more and more critical than ever of it since S3. You also forget that the biggest spotlight it ever got was when Luke actually did something for once under Yidsney in the S2 ending, and then when he basically disappeared Mando died under the terrible S3
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>>97804679
>LAAT
I think its too big for the game. Would make more sense to have smaller craft acting as air support. Give me a v-wing
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>97805227
Oh, look. It's this mentally ill faggot again. The one who came up with parasocial George Lucas fanfiction to justify his shitty headcanon, and then going full schizo mode when the actual quotes of Lucas were posted, saying that what Lucas thinks doesn't matter and he is a retard. Typical EU tranny, lmao.
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>>97805366
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
You are a retard
I don't give a fuck what Lucas wants
Besides you're attempting to justify Filoni who has actively ruined the movies to add his jailbait character and other shit OCs
But hey, you do you man
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>>97805201
having them show up and be in the spotlight now and then, when it actually makes sense, is far from exclusively focusing on them. We have the opposite right now, there is so much shit and donutsteels in the timeframe they should be super active. We were always meant to see them after ROTJ as well.
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>>97803680
Disaster almost every step of the way with this model, have salvaged it as much as I can. OpLuke in case it wasn't obvious.
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>>97803680
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>>97804945
How do the different Legion Factions play?
Just about nobody at my LGS plays Legion (I honestly thought it died alongside Armada) so now knowing that it’s still going strong, I’m curious.
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>>97805561
To this Anon's post, I would also add that
>Empire
The most vanilla faction with the fewest weird rules, relying on general efficiency and raw statlines.
>CIS
The most mechanized faction. In theory, it is possible to run nothing but vehicles+3 squads of B1s.
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>>97805495
Cool mini.
I like the way you differentiated the black cloak/black tunic/black gloves+boots. I always struggle with making my blacks look different enough.
Did you mix some color to your black/grey or just used mixes of white/grey/black?
The lightsaber also looks good though I prefer going Green->Yellow for green lightsaber.
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>>97805260
Further investigation, I came across this. Pretty neat color scheme
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Now, I can’t remember where I heard this:
But I recall hearing some outlandish stories of some Jawa clans leaving Tatooine by, *checks notes*, strapping a hyperdrive sled to their sand crawlers and “flying” the damn brick through hyperspace on a one-way trip to distant worlds.
Now exactly how much credibility would you give such claims?
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I find how he the Bad Batch OMG Omega I miss her so much
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>>97806061
Is this the new shit we're getting? Filonifag, Ventressfag, Ahsokafag and now Omegafag? We're so screwed
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>>97806145
Omega is the best thing to happen to Star Wars
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I hate this piece of shit so much. I really wish they did a redesign. It's so fucking ugly and the worst designed rifle in the entire franchise
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>>97806299
Original model gun looks super sexy though
>>97806378
TCW raped the PT
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>>97806414
My biggest gripe with TCW is it barely did anything to flesh out the conflict itself. The Seps became even bigger generic cartoon villains, the Jedi became even blander and Anakin turned into a Han Solo clone. It had a lot of fun stories but after watching TCW I am always longing for an actual show or movie to delve into the war.
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>>97806433
Because TCW exists to """fix""" the PT due to the sheer backlash it got from retards who didn't understand it
>Conflict isn't fleshed out
Because people complained that the PT had actual politics (even though ANH has a whole scene dedicated to politics which people forget because Vader is there) so now it's just like a dumber take on the OT for retarded kids where nothing matters and it's le fun adventures in space
>Seps became even bigger generic cartoon villains
People didn't understand that the TF were gullible greedy idiots and a lot of them genuinely sympathized with them so TCW made them retarded to make them the obvious villains and avoid misunderstanding the plots (even though it also made the Republic commit war crimes on the daily and be generally awful lol)
>Jedi became even blander
Cause people hated that the PT Jedi weren't perfect and had flaws and were complicit in Anakin's fall because they suck Yoda's cock even though he and Obi-Wan were straight up wrong about being able to save Anakin in the OT
So now the Jedi are perfect except in the Temple bombing arc where they're just a bit blind but dindu nuffin
>Anakin turned into a Han Solo clone
Because people hated PT Anakin being a morally grey complex character and thought he was an irredeemable whiny psycho who should be in jail
So now he's a chad who only has occassional moments where he's Vader (always done for fanboy appeal) but otherwise is perfect overall
Same flanderization happened to Obi-Wan (going from stern and serious and using humor to cope with war trauma to being a snarky jackass and war criminal), Yoda (who's just his self from Episode V despite not having done his arc), etc
>I am always longing for an actual show or movie to delve into the war
Ignore Filonifag's constant whining and just read the CWMMP, it has exactly what you want in comics and books
That's why he seethes so much, because it respects the PT which he hates
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>>97733908
They're simply wearing traditional Space Princess garb.
>>97805366
Too afraid to reply to him properly, because you know that every argument about the EU ends with you being forced to confront that you are cheerleading for Star Wars' years of lead. I wonder if you will kill yourself when Mandalorian & Grogu is a disaster.
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>>97806538
Anon your dear Filoni was a major part of Book of Boba Fett which has Boba Fett suck up to a Tusken tribe that kidnaps and tortures him, and then he becomes pally ol' pals with them and when they die he becomes a heckin' wholesome governor of Tatooine who loves everyone and wants to give them rights
People aren't retarded, we know what Filoni does
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>>97806554
In that case, should we go over when TCW made the Mandalorian a bunch of blonde peaceloving hippies and made Jango a random fucking douche who stole Mando armor instead of being MANDALORE? Or maybe we could go about how Maul went from a kidnapped Iridonian Zabrak to part of a male slave race in Dathomir which are used by le stronk independent women because men are dumb? Please, a talking Tusken is fucking nothing. It also works in the MMP because it has Anakin face against an actual horrible act he committed whereas in TCW he has zero character development, he's just his RotS self but even more flanderized because we can't have him evolve as a character.
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>>97806507
>the sheer backlash it got from retards who didn't understand it
You didn't understand it, though. Do I have to link your posts from the previous threads, where your pathetic fanfiction headcanon was dismantled by George Lucas personally? You sound so mentally ill, it's not even funny.
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>>97806577
If you mean the times you got gangraped by the entire thread, resorted to posting Lucas quotes he made back in 2019 (long after he sold out) and then when we kept posting your Xitter account ran away like the little pussy you are, sure, go ahead.
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>>97806570
A talking Tusken is more egregious than either of those things. The movies never even say the word "Mandalorian" so they aren't that important. Darth Maul instantly jobs as expendable fodder so he isn't that important. Sand people are integral to the pulp adventure soul of star wars, the moment you make them actual people the soul is gone. EUtists obsess over the wrong things and then make dogshit like The Old Republic
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>>97806507
>Because TCW exists to """fix""" the PT due to the sheer backlash it got from retards who didn't understand it
This claim seems to be factually untrue. I don't have it saved, but there's a BTS photo of an artist sculpting the reference model for Ahsoka out of clay in early 2005, before Episode III released. The show would have been planned even earlier than that.
>thought he was an irredeemable whiny psycho who should be in jail
He kind of was in Episode II, it's the main issue of the movie. They went too hard on him acting out or spilling spaghetti and we only get a couple scenes of what I think is supposed to be "Normal Anakin". All the stuff about Padme's backstory that could have helped audiences realize she's actually ALSO very maladjusted was either cut from the movie or never filmed in the first place.
>So now he's a chad who only has occassional moments where he's Vader (always done for fanboy appeal) but otherwise is perfect overall
TCW Anakin behaves a lot like he does in the Episode III opening, which is the last time he's "Normal Anakin". You could argue he should have been shown becoming that character instead of just being him already by the time the cartoon is happening, but that isn't what you're arguing.
>Ignore Filonifag's constant whining and just read the CWMMP, it has exactly what you want in comics and books
This, however, is good advice.
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>>97806507
>>97806538
Is that Darth Krayt's dad?
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Hey! You know what I’ve found in running multiple FFGSW campaigns is that nothing, and I mean nothing, sends a clearer message to players to “Turn the fuck around right now” than parking an ISD in their path.
Just wondering what other ships you guys found that also have that effect on PCs?
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>>97806752
>It's literally the same gun
It isn't. The E-11 design lineage is way clearer and it's a direct gun with modifications rather than an angular thing with no clear real life paralels
And the wood adds a lot by giving it contrast long weapons need
>scope on the bottom
Wrong opinion, that's the coolest part of the DC-15
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>>97805577
Looking to get into the game and will most likely go Empire
Are they the easiest faction to play? I 100% plan on using Boba Fett operative.
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>>97805577
Actually, Very important follow up question:
Is the Legion rulebook sold on its own? Or is a physical copy only available with the purchase of one of the starter kits?
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>>97807037
>Are they the easiest faction to play?
They are definitely the easiest to get into the game with. They are in theory the weakest faction right now (47% winrate), but we're having a points update in 3 weeks, and I'd expect yet more buffs to them. This plus a couple of very useful units coming out soon (Thrawn being a god-tier support commander, and Probe droids being very useful cheap spammable units).
>Boba
His value is somewhat questionable right now, he is kinda overshadowed by Din Djarin these days. But there have been a few lists that run him with success.
I would say that right now, some of the best units are:
>Scouts
>Vader
>Din
>Snow troopers
>Dark troopers
>Krennic
>Dewbacks
>>97807185
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/swlegiondocs/
All the rules are available for free online. Both for the standard mode, as well as the funky variants like Recon, Special Operations, Tours of Duty, etc. For (almost all) cards you're missing, you can just print them out, as the AMG website has most of the content in print-and-play.
But since you are getting started I *highly* recommend getting the starter set - for the price of 2 squads, you get 4 squads, a commander, dice, all the required cards and tools. It's hard to overstate how good of a deal it is.
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So, something amusing that I was fiddling with was writing up a collection of worlds in a hard-to-reach pocket of wild space that are based on… actually implied to be, iconic D&D settings.
I had the idea that to the locals of several of these worlds, they have these notions that Quarren are some kind of brain-eating “mind flayer”, who knows where they got such a notion. But then it hit me, knowledge Bank mollusks are a lot like the illithid elder brain.
And since I did a quick check on the Wookepedia, now I just feel I should check on this:
How much would the Dac government pay out to get a knowledge bank mollusk back that some group of randos found off-world?
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>>97807422
S1 is way more a kid's show than the other seasons.
S4 was squished, they proobably knew there'd be no S5 so they had to wrap things up.
All in all, it was the first good look we got at the imp era, which was great. It has solid waifu options.
It also tricked many (including me) into believing Filoni was not a hack who'd sealclap while the harpies set fire to the franchise.
In me defence, he was hiding his power level.
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I know they're both dead, but between the 2 which did you guys prefer and why?
Armada or X-wing?
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>>97808185
Armada hit the big ship fantasy while not being another historical game.
X-Wing was always going to be more popular though.
There was even a comic that stuck in the mind about a little kid and his dad getting right into the tactile and guardrail notion of the turning curves.
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>>97806507
>Cause people hated that the PT Jedi weren't perfect and had flaws and were complicit in Anakin's fall
People claim that Qui-Gon was better, would have stopped Anakin falling, would have, would have, would have. It's wrong. Pairing an impulsive child with severe anger issues, fear of everything, problems with authority, and a gigantic ego about his strength in the Force with Qui-Gon "fuck the Council" Jinn is a recipe for disaster.
What Anakin needed was someone like Mace, who wouldn't have let him get away with tantrums and constant fucking entitlement. If Mace was Anakin's master, he would have shut that down immediately and Anakin might have ended up as a decent Jedi. Because Anakin was a shit Jedi. Great warrior, yes. Great general, arguably. Great Jedi, fuck no. Yoda was right about that one when he said to Luke that wars don't make one great. He was talking about Anakin.
People don't like Mace Windu because he is a senior Jedi in a position of authority. He won't tolerate behavior that might harm the Order so he comes off as a hardass because he's holding you to account for your shit, and he's making the call when a call has to be made. Children hate this sort of person. Adults understand it.
He is an authority-focused teacher, and that also makes millennials seethe. He is a teacher who is very good at his job and a genuinely reasonable person (see: Ep2, Mace thinks Anakin is ready while Kenobi is fretting and correctly calls that Padme is the problem, or Ep1 at the end where only Yoda disagrees about Anakin's training, clearly Mace was convinced by his actions), but is probably cold if you don't know him well. Millennials HATE this sort of person since they want a substitute parent because their own parents are shit. They want a mentor to give them the affection they aren't getting at home. They don't want a teacher who will actually teach them and not tolerate shit, and Mace Windu is a teacher.
Millennials will seethe at this but it is true.
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>>97808671
Thematically Qui-Gon was the right teacher for Anakin. It was the "Duel of Fates" and the tragedy of Anakin was set the moment Qui-Gon tied. It heightens the pathos of the saga when you look at it through that lens, and that seems to be George's intention as well.
Functionally, just because Mace is a strict, more "authority-focused teacher" does not make him better for Anakin. Not all teaching styles work on everyone, and it is perfectly reasonable to believe that Mace's strictness may have actually caused Anakin to develop a huge emotional wound, which would then be exploited by Sidious more easily. Or even cause him to flip on his own. Obviously he would be even less likely to confide in Mace if their relationship had been fraught with clashes. Meanwhile, Qui-Gon seems much more empathetic and lenient, whilst still clearly capable of catching his apprentice. I think Anakin would always develop an ego and problems with authority - he had them in TPM - but Qui-Gon was in a much better place to address them and help Anakin work through them. Shutting it down may work in the short term, but Anakin still flips.
I've seen this during my time in the army, and as a teacher. For the latter, I was more the Qui-Gon style; relatively lenient and empathetic with my students compared with my colleagues, although I still drew boundaries. I definitely had to deal with behavioural issues, perhaps more frequently that average based on conversations and observing other classes. However, I could also clearly see that my students were broadly enjoying my lessons and making good progress. Furthermore, students were approaching me with questions and problems even if I barely knew them. There was one particular bullying incident where I didn't even teach the girl and she chose to approach me based on the word of a friend. I believe that is the approach Anakin would have needed most in his formative years, and Obi-Wan was almost there but just a little too much like a peer.
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>>97808936
Anakin's ego issues in AotC can be traced in a straight line to Obi-wan. Obi-wan was like a brother to him and that's where the acting out, emotional instability, and rebelliousness came from, such as his immediate arguing with his master in AotC and later ignoring those orders. Anakin did not need a brother for a teacher. There is a reason in RotJ that Obi-wan says he thought he could instruct him and he was wrong.
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>>97808671
>"He's as wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu."
Anakin respected Mace very well, anons. Mace would have been a fine teacher. The problem is Kenobi.
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>>97808671
Mace Windu is stern but he cares deeply about his apprentices, their growth, and their emotions, Shatterpoint in Legends and Living Force in Disney confirm that. He isn't just a teacher, that's simply the role he's in with Anakin.
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>>97808671
Anakin's impulsivity and anger issues came from nobody giving a fuck about him, Qui-Gon WOULD have been a parental figure unlike Obi-Wan who was a stick-up-his-ass older brother who was not ready to give parental guidance to Anakin. Qui-Gon dying is what allowed Sidious to take hold
>If Mace was Anakin's master, he would have shut that down immediately and Anakin might have ended up as a decent Jedi
Wouldn't have happened. You cannot supress years of abusive slavery and horrible traumas like that. Also Mace is one of the big reasons Anakin turned to the Dark. His refusal to let Anakin become a Master, pushing for Anakin to spy on Palpatine (who Anakin sees as his dad basically) and then outright breaking his own Code when trying to eliminate Sidious in his office is what drives Anakin to fully accept Vader. Mace consistently is the biggest Jedi influence in Anakin's fall, not even Yoda and Obi-Wan have that distinction
>Mace thinks Anakin is ready while Kenobi is fretting and correctly calls that Padme is the problem
Anakin leaving Padme is a simple impossibility.
>at the end where only Yoda disagrees about Anakin's training, clearly Mace was convinced by his actions
Mace is a fervent believer in the prophecy so he only accepted Anakin for that reason. By Episode III he slowly starts to believe it may have been misunderstood and Anakin isn't a child of the prophecy. In the novel he thinks the time for Anakin to strike Sidious down is in the office and somehow believes Anakin would be A-OK with that because he has no clue that Anakin has lost faith in the Jedi Order
>their own parents are shit
Mace would be a shit parent. Mace hates attachments and himself is clearly traumatized as seen in Shatterpoint due to his childhood in Haruun Kal, his shatterpoint ability and his regrets. Someone like Luke is a great parent, Mace is too dogmatic
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>>97809029
Yes, but at the same time Obi-Wan understanding is what gave Anakin a lot of compassion even as Vader. It's implied Obi-Wan was aware of Anakin and Padme's relationship yet hid it because he knew Anakin would be devastated had he been forced to either leave the Order or leave Padme. Obi-Wan also deeply cared about Anakin.
Compare that to Mace. Mace only cares about Anakin as an apprentice. Mace WOULD cut that shit out the second he smelled it. You bet your ass if Mace had been Anakin's mentor, Sheev would have gotten ahold of Anakin YEARS earlier.
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That anon who guessed we'd get the V-wing was correct
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>>97808185
XWM.
Armada never took off here, so I never really had a chance to play it.
XWM on the other hand even had a cool virtual table in TTS, which was a fucking lifesaver in the corona days.
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>>97809565
For a fleet officer to really believe the propaganda he (or she) has to be in a cubicle somewhere in HQ or the archives or whatever.
COMPNOR are the guys manning the fucking kool-aid dispensery, so they better learn and repeat the party line.
ISB gets away with silent stares and maybe a frafctional nod, and they're probably required to report the actual truth up the chain.
Worst to deal with is obviously COMPNOR, folloowed by naive military officer.
ISB is the scary option, if they arrive to help you you fucked up because you require help, if they're there to invfestigate you you may be fucked because you're a suspect, if they're there to observe you . . who the fuck knows, just don't draw attention and don't fuck up.
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>>97809701
I actually liked what they did with XWM v2.
Late v1 wasn't great, way too much baggage and special rules that would come down to 'oh you are in my turret arc, here are six different die I can place however I want and now you're dead'
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>>97809938
A whole bunch
>Tarkin's rescue at the Citadel
>D-Squad arc, GAR's Carida Strategic Conference and the CIS' attempt to blow it all up
>Battle of Mon Cala
>Second battle of Naboo where Tarpal dies capturing Grievous
>Mortis arc, whatever happened here
>Battle of Umbara and Pong Krell's betrayal
>Dooku drops Ventress to train Savage, Savage leaves Dooku then Ventress
>Kenobi's death and Dooku hiring a bunch of Bounty Hunters to capture Palpatine
>Zygerrian Slave Empire getting wrecked
>REMOVE NIGHTBITCHES, Dathomir genocide... best day of my life
>the revolution on Onderron
>Fives trying to uncover Palpatine's plan
>the invasion of Scipio and Palpatine taking over the Banking Clan
So a whole bunch of S3-6 episodes, but notably before Maul creates the Shadow Collective and before the Jedi Temple bombing.
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>>97810318
My bad I mixed some shit up, Scipio and the Fives Conspiracy are actually 19BBY in nucanon.
Here is the chronological order:
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-e pisodeorder
Apparently Senate Murders from S3 is the last 21BBY episode while Revival from S5 is the first episode of 19BBY despite the fact all the non-Maul S5 episodes are set in 20BBY.
It's a bit confusing.
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>>97810549
TCW at first tried to fit itself into the later period of the timeline but around late S1-S2 the writers gave up the act and imposed via timeline reveals in TV guides lore that basially placed TCW over all CWMMP canon. So there are some weird things because of that
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It pisses me off that we never got to see this giga-chad in the clone wars or the Battle of Jabiim
Someone mentioned that Filoni replaces all the cool OG characters with his own OC and now I can't unsee it. I've always had mixed feelings about Rex
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>>97812433
>he doesn't know the original arc trooper rifle
You have to go back
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>>97812433
Thats the OG arc trooper and their signature rifle the Westar-M5 you fucking zoomer
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>>97812601
Go back to eating your shitty TCW designs zoom zoom
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>>97812616
Looks like someone's cranky! Maybe I can get Karen Traviss to read you a bedtime story.
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>>97812574
Does anyone else get the feeling that these posts were written by some kind of mexican in his early 20s? Strong vibes of a brown DBZ child who spends his days debating anime power levels.
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>>97812601
NTA, but the rifle is very customizable. You can attach an underslug grenade launcher to it and an arc trooper even uses it in Genndys clone wars against Grevious
I actually have a 3D print as part of my cosplay. I really liked the handrail look
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>>97813000
I am a different anon. I know what that blaster was. But I understand the other anon's confusion. That design isn't very good. Most of the non-movie designs are pretty bad. I just chimed in because these posts are all extremely brown-coded. Looking at the time zone in the file name of that saved picture >>97811823
it seems like South America. These posts just stink a certain way, you know?
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>>97813105
Din is very good at melee, being able to mulch multiple trooper units at the same time. He is also very mobile due to the card that gives him relentless. Meanwhile, boba's cards and shooting are kinda mid, and he can get bogged down in melee tarpits.
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>>97812594
I wish EU artists would stick to the actual designs and not plague the world with their awful fanfiction slop
>We need a Phase 1 clone trooper but with a retarded gun and 1 billion pouches
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>>97812875
That looks a little better, yeah.
>>97812863
Are you attempting phrenology over the internet?
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>>97813296
>Are you attempting phrenology over the internet?
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>>97813247
Except it is movie design, it's just a phase 1 with a new gun. There are other designs that deserve the term "fanfiction slop" way more than ARCs. Of course you love them cause daddy Dave made them.
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What your starting ship says about you:
> YT1300
Let me guess, your favorite flavor is also vanilla.
> YT2400
You are a hipster, who prefers vanilla “ironically”.
> Firespray
You’d rather be flying a real starfighter, but you’re stuck having to be the uber driver for the other nitwits in the party
> wayfarer
Don’t lie, you’ve been eyeing that hanger mod since session 0, and plan to convert this thing into a carrier at the first opportunity.
> Lambda
Every time, every time you set down you insist that THIS TIME you’re gonna be “clandestine” and do all the spy craft stuff. And get by on guile and subterfuge and be gone before anyone knows the wiser. But we all know halfway through you’re gonna fuck it up somehow and end up having to shoot your way out. Why do you keep lying to yourself?and seriously, why does the Empire keep letting people just steal these things?
> Y-wing, squadron
You’d rather be playing X-wing, or rogue squadron, right now.
> Pathfinder
Nobody willingly chooses to fly a Pathfinder!
> G9 Rigger
You will NOT shut up about the Clone Wars cartoon. We get it, we all get it, it’s your favorite show! Please talk about something else!
Admit it. You know I’m right!
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>>97813737
Wayfarer is the ideal party bus, the ability to jam some fighters in the cargo bay only increases its allure.
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>>97813832
> Wayfarer is the ideal party bus
Only if you either get the hanger mod, or you know for certain that your GM doesn’t like to utilize vehicle combat very much.
Otherwise you may discover it has a bit of a glaring flaw:
It’s a silhouette 5 tub that can only shoot forward and its shielding is strongest in the rear. It’s literally too big to dog-fight, but if it gets into a scrape, then its only options are to run, or try to dogfight anyway (and probably lose).
If you ask me, in my experience, the ideal party bus is one the players normally can’t get right out of the gate:
The Gozanti.
Preferably either the pre clone wars variant, or C-roc variant (though some parties may appreciate the imperial variant, even if it’s the shittiest variant).
In all cases it’s just as big as the wayfarer, has good cargo capacity, plenty of room for modifications, can be crewed by even a 3-man party (barely). And has Enough fire-ports to be able to defend itself from every angle of attack. It’s basically a flying castle. While still being ubiquitous enough to not draw attention if they don’t want it.
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>>97813737
> wayfarer
>Don’t lie, you’ve been eyeing that hanger mod since session 0, and plan to convert this thing into a carrier at the first opportunity.
Close, but rather than becoming a hanger, the cargo bay is converted into a luxury mobile-fortress/housing unit with a bunch of defences.
We drop it on planets instead of campingI play SAGA. Stripping the included hangars is worth a ludicrous 800 EP. That's complete bullshit of the best kind.
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>>97814228
Admit it, you have a jacuzzi for taking 'healing baths' with the Twi'leks in there.
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>>97814400
Very modern of you to support independent Twi'lek businesswomen like that.
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>>97814154
Gozanti has absurdly heavy armour and shields as standard, the most expensive shit to upgrade, comes with lots of defensive guns. Its only weakness is not in weak engines, but in not enough engines. The only upgrade you really want to do on a gozanti is more engines
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>>97814605
Well that is too bad, isn't it.
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>>97814668
Because after a certain point, you give up on optimisation for the sake of styling on everyone.
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>>97813737
My players started with a Wayfarer. The original captain PC died in session 9 so they sold it for a D Wing. Wanted to do more combat focussed mercenary work. There wasn’t official D Wing art at the time so pic related was my attempt.
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>>97814676
> Its only weakness is not in weak engines, but in not enough engines. The only upgrade you really want to do on a gozanti is more engines
Yeah… yeah the class 3 hyperdrive and its sub-light speed also capping out at 3 is gonna get annoying. Luckily! Just as you said, it’s one of the easier problems to fix.
Especially since you really don’t have to bother upgrading the weapons, armor, or shields.
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>>97813737
Z-95, EU style.
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>>97813758
Stormies and clones:
>Zenithal black then white
>nuln oil all over
>heavy drybrush of white
>pick out black details with a black contrast paint
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>>97813737
We have a YT1930. It's actually almost new, but it was a bit damaged so we got it cheap.It's almost like we're playing traveller the ship eats all our credits half the systems are broken our mechanic and astromech droid are close to a mental breakdown please send helpAlso we happen to have some speeder bikes for sale, would you like to buy one?
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my friend got me the new imperial starter set, so i've got a lot of scouts nows, i made a list based around trying to supress my opponent any thoughts?
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>>97816226
Too many upgrades desu
I'm pretty sure you could squeeze in more shore squads if you dropped:
>LTAs from mortars
>Mission objective from the strike squads
>scopes from the shores
>Duck and cover, environmental gear and emergency transponders from scouts
>recon intel from deaths
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>>97816267
The only other empire player that runs a lot of tanks loans them off me so I'll try and stay safe their.
>>97816349
I mainly added upgrades because i couldn't add anything else, but i'll try and see if i can cut enough to fit in another mortar team.
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>>97816358
If you drop what he proposed you have 32 points. . .
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You have a terminal illness, which SW character do you want to inform you?
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>>97806414
The upside down E-11 front end is really apparent in this model. The DC-15 should have just been a longer barrelled E-11 that was shrunk down to a compact blaster carbine as the clone troopers became imperial stormtroopers acting as planetary SWAT teams
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>>97819034
I always thought it was a neat detail that the Stormtroopers were a combination of clone armor and droid weaponry. It really felt like the Empire had reclaimed all the lost industry and reincorporated it
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Me after watching Star Wars Rebels episode 3
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Take the Impill.
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>>97819393
I would take Empire any day but only if they promise not to harm her. Otherwise no.
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>>97819414
Acceptable. We have a deal.
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Vader wil pprobably sell her to the Hutts, because that's not 'harming her'
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>>97819393
I know it's because we didn't learn the Republic was shit until like 20 years later, but I wish more material made mention of the fact the Rebellion is fighting to restore a corrupt government nobody liked or respected and willingly voted out of existence.
You'd think there'd be more based chads who go their own way and see that the only difference between the Empire and Alliance is what flavor of dictatorship they want to force on everyone.
That's why the CIS is pic related. The droidpill is unironically the only road to freedom.
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>>97820409
>The main form of corruption in the late republic involved not looking
They were so good at not llooking that they ignored slaves on Coruscant, too.
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>>97820485
This is why the original idea of a thousand-year Republic makes a lot more sense than what we got later.
For all the praise KOTOR gets it really fucked up the timeline and did that thing a lot of fantasy settings do and have tens of thousands of years pass between events to make shit seem more "epic" or "ancient", when in reality it makes it much less believable and the setting feel much more stagnant. See LOTR, WHF, WH40k, and so on.
The Republic as we see it is too corrupt to have existed without collapsing for 50,000 whatever years, and there's no way Sheevy P and Las Plagas could just magically make it so shit that it collapses in the span of a few decades. Then there's the fact everyone is using the same tech now as they were doing tens of thousands of years ago. The KOTOR timeline is just bloated and unbelievable.
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>>97820591
Star Wars has literally always been 40k-tier in terms of its timeline, assuming we take Obi-wan's quote from the original movie seriously.
>"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."
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>>97820616
It's changed constantly. In each draft of the OG script it flipped from 100,000 years to 1,000 years to 1,000 generations to 10,000 years and so on.
I guess one way to reconcile it is the Republic itself is only a thousand years or so old, but the Jedi have been around for thousands of years longer.
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>>97820591
>The Republic as we see it is too corrupt to have existed without collapsing
Yeah man. The prequal trilogy is set in space Rome in space 50-30 BC. You aren't supposed to believe that the republic was never able to enforce basic laws because they never had an army.
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>>97809287
I hope that we can use the V-wing for both Republic and Empire. I want my Imperial V-Wing
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>>97820591
How old the Republic was kept changing wildly. The KOTOR 20 000 year old Republic actually comes from Obi-Wan's line in the first film that implied the Republic had been around for a thousand generations, but then in the prequels it's mentioned to have lasted for a thousand years.
The way that was reconciled in the EU was that the KOTOR-era Republic and the prequel-era Republic are effectively different entities. The Old Republic nearly collapsed during the New Sith Wars, which ended 1000 years before the prequels, and was remade more or less from the ground up, which is when they got rid of a standing army and laid the seeds for the corruption and ineffectiveness we see taken hold by the prequel-era.
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>>97820591
KOTOR was just an excuse to redo the OT but in le past. The Sith Empire somehow has fucking Stormtrooper equivalents and Star Destroyers. It makes shit feel really small and boring because it doesn't try to distance itself from the future
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>>97821379
This is the issue with a lot of the EU, it had to deal with fixing shit that didn't make sense because it got retconned
Spaarti cloning, the Zahn take on the Clone Wars, some lines from both ANH and especially the novel, are all examples of old canon that got completely replaced, Realistically the EU COULD have just replaced all of that but it tried to find a way to connect everything together and it leads to some absurdities as a result of the general impossibility of the task.
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How Dooku could have won:
>don't terror bomb the senate, focus on the industrial zones
>demand Ventress not be a retard with Jabba's son
>don't siege Christophsis, take it immediately
>zerg rush Kamino to cut off clone reinforcements
>ally with the Death Watch against the Mandalorians
>ignore Maul
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>>97821847
All Dooku had to do was stop listening to palpatine and let the droids steamroll, the sepratist were fighting with one hand behind their back because the Clone Wars was just there to get Palpatine more power.
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>>97821852
Dooku didn't want the Separatists to win in the first place, he never believed in their cause and used them to get rich
the empire was always the plan, when the time came i'd assume palpatine would offer him a "peace deal" to end the war
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this
>>97821847
Dooku wasn't fighting to win, he was fighting to convert the republic into Palpy's Empire.
If Dooku wasn't running the CIS (or he abandoned Sheev), then things would've gone VERY differently
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>>97821871
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>>97821456
>It makes shit feel really small and boring because it doesn't try to distance itself from the future
Does it? I mean no shit everything looks fammiliar it's the same IP.
But outside of Centurion-class everything seemed pretty distinct from movies designs.
Also KOTOR Sith troopers have one of the greatest design.
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>>97822084
Mmy anncestoor!
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>>97819882
Based
>>97820056
She’s beautiful and if you can’t see that there is something wrong with you
>>97820296
He would never
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No
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>>97821456
The earliest visual depicted of the Old Republic era, in the Tales of the Jedi comics, did a good job making it visually distinct from the films and having aesthetics that successfully evoked a kind of "sci-fi ancient history" look. The KOTOR games fucked up the visuals by making everything a copy of the film designs with minor changes (Republic soldiers look like either rebel troopers or clone troopers, Sith have grey triangle warships and not!TIEs, and so on). It also doesn't make much sense chronologically, since the latest period covered by Tales of the Jedi takes place just a few decades before KOTOR 1, so apparently in that time there was a massive change in technology and fashion and then nothing changed for the next several thousand years.
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>>97820166
Nice. Looking forward to it. In other news, I finally sat down and made a proper faction intro document for /my dudes/, since I had to pivot the lore (AMG deleted the fucking royal guards). If anyone was interested, I could post it here.
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>>97821456
Old Republic is so fucking lame for this very reason. Set in a mythical, distant past and everything is exactly the same. George's idea for the idea was far better: The galaxy is ruled by sith warlords in a brutal galactic Sengoku Jidai. The Jedi Knights form in opposition and protect the growing Republic
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>>97822499
>The galaxy is ruled by sith warlords in a brutal galactic Sengoku Jidai
I thought Lucas’ description and the allusions in the film suggested that the Sith were the dominant and older power than the Republic. That is why Palpatine says “once more the Sith will rule the galaxy” and there are statues of the Dwartti philosophers in the Republic whose ideas were similar to the Sith. I think he also suggested the Sith were older which to me makes sense.
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"Solo" fans are feasting! Will Emilia Clarke return?
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>>97822393
We will rebuild.
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>>97822970
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>>97823731
She was some kind of alien in the early designs.
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>>97823832
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>>97822499
Idk about lore but design wise I like EC Henrys past using reworked McQuarrie concepts like the original Millenium Falcon/Corellian Corvette, it's very prototypical sci-fi like how Episode I looks more like 1920s Golden Age sci fi and it's Episode II and III that slowly morph the style into classic SW worn down pseudo-realisitc sci-fi
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>>97822393
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I’ve recently been opening up my copy of EotE after years of having it sit on a shelf and after reviewing the chapter on healing and recovery:
I honestly forgot how potent bacta was. Reduces natural recovery from a measure of days, to hours. I just imagine that among other ”adventurous” sorts in the galaxy, bacta is as good as credits.
But also, and I need to recheck if it specifies in the item entry for bacta or not; but do you guys typically treat bacta as a consumable resource? Like, once you pull your Buddy out of the tank, that shit needs to get dumped. Because aside from otherwise making this stuff really, kinda, sorta, broken; it just makes sense, because once it’s used if it’s healing properties haven’t been diminished, it’s certainly going to be contaminated. Just seems like soaking in used bacta is a great way to get some kind of infection.
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>>97821441
Nah, he may've helped them organize but the "Large group of planets and companies who are sick of the Republic" was around long before he was. There would've eventually been a war even without all the Jedi and Sith meddling and fighting in the background.
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>>97822577
I always forget that Star Wars originally had a very Japanese aesthetic and setting. C3PO's design mimicked 50s/60s Japanese future art, Stormtrooper/Vader's armor was meant to look Japanese, Rebel helmets were meant to look Japanese, the Imperial officers are all in Japanese uniforms, even the cantina is supposed to resemble late era Japanese sake dens iirc.
>>97822499
They may be a bunch of cucks but Reddit Letter Media was right about how lazy most Star Wars material is aesthetically. I sorta get why, but I also hate it.
>we can't sell our ancient past star wars game unless we have not!stormtroopers and not!clones and lightsabers and jedi and the same droids and at-sts at-sts at-sts at-sts
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>>97827097
Omega is a female, not a troon. I prefer some of Legends but I make an exception for her because she’s just that special.
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>>97827257
>furfag
Now your just saying things
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>>97827398
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>>97806299
A ton of blasters look stupid. For me its this shit. The scope makes no fucking sense. What the fuck are these things supposed to be?
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I never watched Bad Batch. Wasn't Omega essentially created because Kathleen Kennedy wanted there to be a girl amongst the main cast? Is Omega a good character?
And what was the original bad batch script like before Omega? I vaguely remember reading they had to change a ton to include her
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>TQ: Which Adepticon reveal are you the most hyped about?
Imps (it's funny how "stormies but with cloaks" are completely new unit).
Custom mandolorain bounty hunter (yet mandos being standalone army is still gay as hell)
Mounted Anakin and Obi-Wan
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>>97803680
Fuck it, posting it anyways. The full thing's on the link. Maybe we can shift the discussion away from Omegafag.
https://litter.catbox.moe/gpflslzmk91s561o.pdf
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>>97821498
The Zahn take on the clone wars is so much more kino than what Lucas did in the prequels.
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>>97826106
>"Large group of planets and companies who are sick of the Republic" was around long before he was. There would've eventually been a war even without all the Jedi and Sith meddling and fighting in the background.
Not really. The companies were fine with teh Republic's corruption. It was Palpatine who actually pushed the first act against the TF via taxation of routes and at the same time pushed Gunray to power, setting up the Battle of Naboo and future separatist sentiment. Palpatine was the first real Chancellor to not bow down to corruption as Valorum took it up the ass. Planets not under the Republic generally didn't care that they were ignored until after Dooku convinced them
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Retarded. Zahn's take is extremely lazy and unoriginal. Lucas' PT is absolute kino, clone madness and Spaarti bullshit is so fucking boring. Honestly I wish the Thrawn Trilogy got reworked to actually fit later media but I know a lot of OTcucks would go bonkers that their sacred books got reworked. Honestly if you don't like the PT you don't even like SW, you like an incomplete idea of what you think SW should be.
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>>97827220
>You cannot make a copy of a man and print a woman.
Scientifically, you can. I mean, all you need to do is, when you inject the dna into the egg, make sure it's an XX chromosome, rather than XY and boom, female clone. That being said, the psychological aspect would be a crapshoot. You may end up making a biological female with gender dysphoria due to a considerable chunk of its genes being male and if said genes end up developing the reasoning centers of the brain... Then again, this is all hypothetical at best, like the majority of psychology.
In any case, i find it hilarious that, as per usual, the guy spouting off the slurs on 4chan to make him sound like a big man is the one who also decided bring science into the show about space magic wizards trying to stop an evil space magic wizard making a moon-sized planet blower-upper-gun, because THAT'S the straw that broke the camels back.
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>>97828132
>You may end up making a biological female with gender dysphoria due to a considerable chunk of its genes being male
There isn't male and female genes, beyond the Y-chromosome acting as a marker for the embryo to develop into a male. Differences in brain development are more affected by hormones during fetal development. You can get a mutation that screws up the hormonal balance, but it wouldn't be because you got too many "male genes" in a female body.
A bigger issue with Omega, who is basically a half-clone of her father, is that since she would have to have a duplicate set of Jango's chromosomes any recessive hereditary conditions he might have would manifest. Though the Kaminoans would presumably have ways to screen for that and edit the genes if necessary.
Incidentally, opposite sex half-clones occur in quite many animals capable of pathenogenesis, for example in monitor lizards. In most reptiles the sex determination of the embryo works the opposite way than in mammals, with a pair of identical sex chromosomes making a male. So a monitor lizard reproducing parthenogenetically will take half of her genome and duplicate it in the embryo, resulting in either a male half-clone of the mother or an egg that never develops since two copies of the female sex chromosome is unviable.
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>>97827658
That's an interesting comparison. Did the ottomans larp as the romans?
The main idea I had is that my Moff's trying to make an idealised version of the Empire in her little fiefdom and larps really really hard for it.
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>>97828701
>Did the ottomans larp as the romans?
No. They saw conquering Constantinople as their holy goal, but once they got it they did not refer to themselves as inheritors of its (Roman) power, and regarded themselves as seperate from 'the Latins' (we would, ironically, call 'the Latins' Greeks today)
The state referred to itself officially as 'Sublime Ottoman State', 'Sublime State' and (later) 'Ottoman State', never as Roman, Latin etc.
They did not use Roman/Byzantine heraldry, though they largely kept the names of places the same (they only changed the name of Constantinople to Istanbul in the 19th century)
The one thing they did keep for a while were the coins, but that was probably a function of islamic law more or less outlawing banking.
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>Kaiser i Rum
Well yes, but Rum was already the name of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Rum
the name traces back to 'Roman', of course, through two or so other languages. These were the predecessors, who were shattered by the mongol conquest. They had quite good trade relations with the Europeans.
And yes, 'Kaiseri' is obviously 'Caesar', surprisingly close to german 'Kaiser'.
And they later referred to themselves as 'Osmanlı İmparatorluğu' literally 'Osman Empire' when tehy had achieved dominance over most of Araby, North Africa and Egypt.
The root there is also clearly 'Imperator'.
But this is still not really larping as Rome, or any continuation of Rome.
The one who did do that, even though it absoolutely was not a continuation, was Charlemagne.
He clearly read up on what history he could get a hold of, and used the image of a new 'Roman' Emperor.
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I'm this anon >>97807037
I forgot that Legion got an update. Did Boba get nerfed? Isnt red dice better? Boba gets 3 red dice for melee vs Dins 2 black dice. Am I missing something?
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Why is the main character of Rebels some dorky Jewish kid? Was this the writers self insert.
DESU the show isn’t bad, in fact I thought it would be worse. It’s just not that good either. Also Yoda and Lando seem so forced.
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>>97827614
But anon, (for an Age of Rebellion campaign) also making an Imperial fiefdom in the Tion Cluster along the Perlemian Trade Route with a focus on Raxus with a Grand Moff that is using the military industrial complex both as a shield and a weapon. Are we sharing brain cells?
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My drawing of my favorite minister
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I pause rebels WTF is wrong with him right after I say “Ezra is Jewish”
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>>97831598
the problem with rebels is it's impact than what it is
because now we're having multi-million dollar live action tv shows with the same trash writing with the same trash characters instead of anything good
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the only thing that makes me a tiny bit hopeful is the main writer, but the premise just looks like shit, I don't even think anything significant will happen
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>>97832133
The Mandalorian girl seems like such a fucking Disney XD character
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>>97832951
Man, she's fucking hideous. Looks like a grandma lmao. What the fuck is wrong with Lucasfilm? How did it come to this? This is what evil Mandalorian baddies used to look like when Lucas was in charge.
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Why kill such a pretty girl?
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>>97831602
As they say, great minds think alike. It just makes sense that if you're doing Raxus, you may as well say something about the Perlemian Trade Route.
I personally decided to go with this sector as it fit my main theme of glamor and contradiction - Secundus is a beautiful, prestigious, noble planet, while Prime is a horrid junk heap that is very useful to the economy.
>>97831497
Yes, you are missing a couple of things. Din always takes the spear and the flamer. Meaning that his melee dice pool is either 2 red 3 black, or 2 red 1 black + however many minis the enemy has. The key here is that Din has tactical and his independent- the 2+ aims he always has mean that he usually hits all his dice AND the spear gives him the duellist keyword. That means that he can easily make his melee attacks have pierce 2(!) which is rare for bounty hunters. His 1 pip and 2 pip also also great for boosting his damage output and mobility. Boba's cards are weird in that most of them just give you a one time weapon.
>>97833745
You'd be surprised, Anon. I also play x-wing, and I know several grown ass men who adore the s*quels (with the exception of episode 9, not even they like that one)
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>>97833849
> with the exception of episode 9, not even they like that one
Pretty much agree (though episode 8 was, I’d argue, slightly more trash than 9)
But I did kinda like Exegol (the location anyway) and the look of Sith Eternal stormtroopers.
And the idea that bigger chunks of the DS2 might be found on other, less inhabited, moons of Endor wasn’t a horrible idea (the dagger thing was stupid) or the wayfinder stones feels like something force users of the past might concoct to keep their sacred sites secret.
… basically there’s bits and pieces from the sequel trilogy that I’d like to cannibalize for my own Star Wars adventures, so long as I can completely disconnect them from the god-awful story and shittier elements.
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>>97827927
Literal retard take. Clonemasters using forbidden technology and kicking off a series of destructive wars is kino. Lucas's faggy "lol palpatine was the puppet master of both sides the whole time" is something a 12 year old would write and think was super edgy and cool. You're not a 12-year old are you anon? You have to be at least 13 to post here.
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>>97834064
Even Lucas's ideas for the Clone Wars seem to have changed somewhere between the OT and prequels. In an earlier script of ESB, Lando was supposed to be a clone, and he mentions how there's not many clones around after the Clone Wars and implies that clones have a bad reputation because of the war, which would suggest that the original idea was that the war was against clones (which would also fit with it being called the Clone Wars: the PT conflict would make more sense to be called the Separatist War or the Droid Wars, since that's what the Republic was actually fighting against).
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>>97834064
Bad bait nigger
>Clonemasters using forbidden technology and kicking off a series of destructive wars is kino
No it isn't. It's generic sci-fi slop which appeals to the lowest common denominator. The kind of shit you'd see in a subpar sci-fi comic series in the 50s. "Oy vey le misterious evil dude has clones to invade le galaxy" bleh.
>Lucas's faggy "lol palpatine was the puppet master of both sides the whole time" is something a 12 year old would write and think was super edgy and cool
Palpatine is the TRUE villain of Star Wars. You're just such a fucking retard that you take Sheev to be a bog average villain that gets defeated and replaced in a week. Palpatine is Satan, his conquest of the Republic using political manipulation and fearmongering is TRUE kino, it's realistic and not just pew pew nonsense. It also requires thought to understand unlike Zahn's trash. Chances are you don't even understand the PT and think the politics are boring lmao
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>Lucas's ideas for the Clone Wars seem to have changed somewhere between the OT and prequels
No fucking shit retard, Lucas' ideas for the OT changed between movies. That's how stories go
>Lando was supposed to be a clone, and he mentions how there's not many clones around after the Clone Wars
In early ANH publications Stormtroopers were mentioned to be clones, which was what Lucas adapted into the Republic Clone Army. In the novel Palpatine was revealed as the manipulated Emperor and that was tweaked in ESB, RotJ and the PT
>which would also fit with it being called the Clone Wars: the PT conflict would make more sense to be called the Separatist War or the Droid Wars, since that's what the Republic was actually fighting against
No. This is retarded. Is WWII called "the Axis War"? Is the American Revolutionary War called "the British War"? It's called the Clone Wars because the conflict heavily revolved around the new Clone Army which got mass media coverage.
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>ahhhh the art style changed I'm going insaaaaaane!
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What is 'it'?
A new animated show?
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>>97835687
>so bereft of interesting characters
Wrong, there are plenty of interesting characters
The issue is that retards who hated the PT because they slept through the films all creamed when Maul appeared and thought he got wasted in TPM (he didn't, Maul is not a character like Vader, he doesn't deserve more than that). So since Lucas was desperate to clean his public image after the anti-Pt movement started shitting on him everywhere, he revived Maul and planned to put him everywhere
This coincided with Filoni essentially turning Maul into an OC of his (TCW Maul shares literally jack shit with TPM Maul or EU Maul. Different origin story, different personality, half-cyborg, owns a criminal empire, is related to the Mandalorians for some reason...) which is why he's everywhere even after Lucas left, he's on the same tier of characters Ahsoka and Sabine are in
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>>97835700
> retards who hated the PT because they slept through the films
Guy, you need to rewatch the PT without the rose-colored glasses on. The PT wasn’t exactly “good”. Admittedly, they gotten some reevaluation and peoples opinions have softened on them a lot, but they are still not great.rage all you want but I think the CW cartoon actually helped a lot in propping up the PT movies by giving more context and on-screen depth to the characters, their relationships, and wider conflict
I mean, episode 1 really ventures into the “so bad it’s good” category, and a lot of the scenes in episode 2 with Anakin and Padmé are borderline unwatchable because their performance was just so stiff, “more wooden than wood” is the way I described it when I rewatched them… 10 years agogod I feel old
Just saying, don’t put the PT on such a high pedestal, they may not be as hated as they used to be, but the criticism they got at the time was not undeserved.
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>>97835759
>the CW cartoon actually helped a lot in propping up the PT movies by giving more context and on-screen depth to the characters, their relationships, and wider conflict
TCW did the exact opposite. It was a calculated move to cleanse the movies of any sort of uncomfortable things people didn't like. No more whiny Episode 2 Anakin, now he's a wide jawed chad who barely does anything bad except when we need to play the Imperial March to add engagement bait. The Jedi are now perfect angels who did nothing wrong. The Seppies are now cartoon villains that always lose. The war is the Republic always winning but somehow never advancing. Yadda yadda.
The PT is way better than people give it credit for. Episode 1 is actually quite good, Jar Jar barely matters unlike people say and if you understand the politics it becomes quite engaging. And the wooden dialogue in Episode 2 proves that audiences are accustomed to modern cinema dialogues, it's quite similar to classic theater which has kinda wooden dialogue too. That plus Anakin being immature was the intent
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I want to run a FFG star wars RPG adventure set in the Mandalorian wars and give my players the choice of which side to fight for.
The problem is I don't know much about them except from what I remember playing KOTOR1&2 years ago and I haven't read the Dark Horse comics.
Is there a resource for the setting or atleast a timeline of major events / major players in the war?
Has anyone else run games during the Mandalorian war and if so how did it go?
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>>97827927
>The companies were fine with teh Republic's corruption. It was Palpatine who actually pushed the first act against the TF via taxation of routes and at the same time pushed Gunray to power, setting up the Battle of Naboo and future separatist sentiment
The fact the Trade Feds and numerous other corporations had entire militaries constructed and ready to deploy that could conquer the galaxy suggests otherwise desu. It took Dooku decades of subterfuge to get the clones going at Kamino alone, Palpatine's probably the strongest force user to ever live but even he isn't gonna be able to covertly have half the galaxy invest in giant militaries that are ready to rumble in just a few years.
Also consider that the Republic having no centralized military, numerous problems with piracy, and the fact Republic credits - the main currency the corps would use - weren't even accepted on many worlds because they were so worthless, it makes sense why the Separatist corporations, along with numerous worlds, would be sick and tired of the Republic's ineptitude and corruption. It wasn't the kind of inept corruption that lets people profit from it or get by without worry of government interference, it was borderline anarchy where the government couldn't even enforce its own currency.
Imagine being an average joe on some Mid Rim world, working 12 hour days all week to support your family, you get paid in Republic credits and go to pay your rent, and your landlord Glub Shitto says your credits are actually worthless to him, you have to buy Glubcoins at an exchange rate of 10000 - 1. Can't pay? You're out on the street, you try to appeal to your local Republic admin office, and find out there's literally nothing they can do about it. You're pissed, you have nothing to lose, you wanna do something about it, and Palpatine was completely uninvolved.
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>>97835700
You are seriously confused if you think people who hated the PT somehow love Maul.
It's all Filoni. Guy loves the PT, made TCW, revived Maul, and now keeps shitting out shows and possibly even movies with 'his' characters in it.
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x-wing was very good. It's problem was that after I played a few games I didn't want to come back to it for awhile. unlike 40k where every game was a chance to switch up my army and try something new, x-wing just didn't have enough moving parts.
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>>97836208
I wish that David Cage Star Wars game didn't drop off the face of the earth, the Lucrehulks in the trailer made me hopeful we'd get to see some of why the Trade Federation had its own military ready to go. I expect they'd probably be the bad guys again, though it could have been even cooler if we got an actually good subversion of expectations and made them the good guys for a change. But even if they were still bad guys, I'd have loved to see it just to get a window deeper into why it existed.
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>>97836209
>Guy loves the PT
Literally nothing in TCW screams "I love the Prequels". The characters are completely different. Attention is taken away from them to give to Filoni's own faggot OCs. Any sort of conflict in the films is reduced to caricature in the show.
>You are seriously confused if you think people who hated the PT somehow love Maul.
I have heard so many people say Maul is the only good thing in TPM, it's insane. These are the same imbeciles that don't see Vader as a character with flaws, they see him as the cool black armor man who does puns a lot. They like Maul externally, he looks cool and has a double saber so that to them deserves more screentime despite not having a character worth showing much more.
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>>97835775
Holy nostalgiabait.
TCW was largely an attempt to unfuck the epic plotholes that gaped between AotC and RotS.
It may have succeeded to a degree, but if it take half a decade of cartoons to unfuck the movies then maybe, just maybe, the movies had a slight problem with their plot, focus and pacing.
And that is exactly what the PT had. AotC wasted roughly half the screentime on utterly irrelevant shit had awful acting and even worse dialogue.
TPM was even worse with the waste of focus and time.
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>>97836266
>le films are BAAAD, TCW FIXED THEM
Go back to plebbit Filonifag
>the epic plotholes that gaped between AotC and RotS
No plotholes exist you fucking retard, every plothole I've heard is insanely retarded and kveching. Just admit you don't like the movies because they aren't the OT again which is exactly what you wanted (and go back to watching JJ slop)
>AotC wasted roughly half the screentime on utterly irrelevant shit had awful acting and even worse dialogue
Like? I've already covered the dialogue before but pretty much everything in AotC is essential. What else is there that is superfluous and irrelevant exactly?
>TPM was even worse with the waste of focus and time.
Like?
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Some of you fags seem to have a terminal case of Lucas/Filoni derangement syndrome. These posts range from insane to pathetic.
It's nice to be reminded that a lot of Star Wars fans don't actually deserve to live.
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>>97835700
>there are plenty of interesting characters
Ok, but who? I mean, really interesting and not just interesting to a die-hard fan. Some EU characters that got retconned out of existence by the mouse? Are they going to plunder the KOTOR era for ideas?
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>>97834518
Shit taste *and* historically illiterate.
>The Indian Wars
>The Mexican American War
>The Carlist Wars
You really *are* 12 aren't you?
>also requires thought to understand unlike Zahn's trash. Chances are you don't even understand the PT
Is this the new zoomer revisionist line? That the PT is too "Le complex" for its critics to understand it? Jesus you're a fucking smooth brain if you think that's some kind of winning argument.
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been thinking about getting into Legion, and I've got a fair bit of spare cash to splurge. Would it be a good idea to pick up both a core set and one of each faction starter, or just faction starters?
Been eyeing Clone Wars specifically, if that makes any difference
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>>97836278
>It's nice to be reminded that a lot of Star Wars fans don't actually deserve to live
The more time I spend in this general, the more I realize that "fandom" is a thing to be ashamed of and the mountains of ridicule normalfags have dumped on Star Wars "fans" over the years are entirely deserved and, in fact, may be too generous. A lot of fuckers in here need to touch grass.
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>TPM
All the Gungan nonsense, half the podracing subplot. An hour of screentime wasted for literally nothing. Well, OK. Ani is the bestest pilot ever and has the Force.
Which we've known since ANH. Fucking wow.
>AotC
The romance/meeting the parents in 1970s space american suburbia.
Also, Obi-Wan asks some rando in a space 1950s American diner to find out where Kamino is. Dooku is just. . there?.
That godawful factory sequence on Geonosis.
>Go back to plebbit Filonifag
I don't know what kind of weird nonsense this is even meant to be.
>No plotholes exist you fucking retard
Actual delusion.
Just because you've spent a decade or more consuming TCW and other media explaining shit doesn't mean the holes were not there.
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>>97820166
Vader, trying to split hairs like that? Please now. The deal has simply been updated.
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>>97834973
The imperfection of MILFs makes them better. You are not a true connoisseur if you can only find attraction in perfection. Saggy tits, crows feet, sunken features, all signs of a woman with class and experience. Plus, you know she's got a six-pack under that armour.
I repeat "You are a coward"
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>Saggy tits, crows feet, sunken features
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>>97836437
Disney is institutioanlly unable to write a good story or good character in current year, but if they actually wanted to they could just go and make Area 88/Ace Combat.
I cann it Star Wars: SpAce Combat: X-wing vs TIE Fighter: Above and Beyond.
Follows a cast of pilots who fly X-wings, Y-wings and A-wings.
Three seasons. One is just before ANH (E1 should show Blue and Gold Squadrons getting their shit kicked in over Scarrif and Red Squadron almost being wiped out at Yavin,) and focus on desperately evacuating Yavin and finding the new base on Hoth.
S2 would be shortly before TESB, introduces one or two Imps who defect, to show some TIE flight ops. Focus on Hoth, several episodes just show the space fight over Hoth.
S3 would be between TESB and RotJ, each episode shows one of a series of more and more open and violent battles between the Rebel Alliance and Imperial Navy.
Last episode should end with all the fighters launching, lining up along the cap ships hypering out to Endor. Final shot would be dropping out of hyper over Endor, and the wings calling in 'standing by', our pilots are shown in their cockpits, tehy start calling out incoming Imps, camera pans to the massed ISDs and TIE squadrons.
Cue Imperial March, and roll credits.
Cast of pilots is just whatever you want. Do include the hot Twi'lek who wants to prove her people are more than slaves and dancers, the cocky Corellian, the angry Alderaan survivor, Imp defector who has to earn trust, Commander/mentor who is a former CIS officer, and a regular set of Imp antagonists who are not just bumbling idiots but who actually want to defend pewace and order.
This stuff is basically all written, and proved that it makes money years ago. They just have to take it, and make it.
Obviously none of this is never going to happen becasue Disney hates cool things, the fans, money, and Star Wars.
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For both GAR/CIS, the best way to get started is to buy 2x copies of the new faction starters. For the price of 2 kits, you get 4 units, a commander AND all the dice and essentials. With GAR and CIS there is also little redundancy. Probably the best thing to buy next are:
GAR
>Clone commandos
>Heroes of the clone army
>Bad Batch
>AT-RTs
CIS
>Custmizable super tacticals
>Super tactical commanders
>a spider
>Aqua droids
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Gentlebeings, i want to create a false flag operation, but i can't quite visualize a good encounter that would be more than just a fake fight. Could use some tips, please?I was thinking that instead of defending a primitive village, the players could work with some npcs to stage an attack with themselves as the aggressors. It's all to get the primitives indebted socially to the faction so they'd work free, 'for their honored friends'. But I'm not sure how exactly to structure this, and i'm not sure if the villagers need build up or to appear often later on.
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>>97839607
>we have to go to this one merchant for this one macguffin who has this one kid as a slave who has to win this one race
it's just bad writing, and it wastes time that should have gone into showing Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Anakin interaction.
Anakin flying a fighter in the final battle was also fucking stupd.
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>>97837836
>All the Gungan nonsense
The Gungans play a massive role in the final battle and represent an early union of aliens and humans which is a setup for the Rebellion later. You just seethe about Jar Jar who collectively takes less than 10 minutes in the film. 3PO took more time in ANH and ESB whining and nobody cares
>Well, OK. Ani is the bestest pilot ever and has the Force. Which we've known since ANH. Fucking wow.
TPM is a movie that works by itself you fucking retard, it doesn't expect you to have watched ANH and honestly showing is better than telling. The podracing scene demonstrates Anakin's abilities which is required for all the PT. Also it adds stakes to the plot and it's just a cool reference to Ben Hur (movie which you 100% haven't watched like the Marvel consoomer you are)
>The romance/meeting the parents in 1970s space american suburbia.
Padme and Anakin's romance is possibly the most important part of the PT. Padme's family is a setup for Anakin losing his mother later. How are you this daft?
>Obi-Wan asks some rando in a space 1950s American diner to find out where Kamino is. Dooku is just. . there?
The point with Dexter is to show the Jedi are flawed, in this case they miss a star system in their archives yet assume it doesn't exist. Dooku isn't on Kamino, he's on Geonosis which is not extragalactic like Kamino and which Obi-Wan reaches by following Jango. He's there to finalize proceedings with the defecting corporations which will become the backbone of the CIS. You haven't even watched the movie, have you?
>That godawful factory sequence on Geonosis.
Apart from like three scenes with 3PO, it adds stakes and explains why Anakin and Padme got condemned to the execution arena while being a fun sequence overall. What, would you have liked for them to get captured immediately? That's so fucking lame, it's like saying the Rancor sequence in RotJ sucks and they should have just skipped to the Sarlacc pit
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SP and Legion are not compatibile. If you want armor Obi, I suggest looking through e-bay or something
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Thanks for the help, I'll probably not get the core set. 1 mini doesn't justify that price
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>>97839669
I don't think you need to overthink it. As long as the players haven't met the villagers, and you don't think they need to meet again, just have them pretend to be part of a wandering pirate force that rolled into their system and that wants something the village has. If you do want them to cross paths again, or if they've already crossed paths before, then you just go in disguise while you do the same thing. The galaxy is always crawling with low-level lowlifes, the villagers will be none the wiser.
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She is a gentle creature,
With two large,
Brown eyes
I like the way she laughs when the sun is set,
And all the birds go away
I like to hear
“Come, come Omega”
Come into my gentle house
And she walks with me,
And the shores all set
Omega, Omega
Come my doll
And I see grey ships emerging on the horizon
From pitch black space appear like bright new stars
I run with you
And find the reconciliation of all known opposites
In your heart
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I've got a gambling scene coming up for my players in a SWRPG session coming up in a week.
I'd like to really make it exciting but I'm wondering if you guys have any techniques to add to the tension. I'd like the folks to be excited around the table over each subsequent roll.
I'm thinking of running picrel version of Hintaro because it has a mechanic to allow for some cheating if one of the players wants to try it.
Anyone have experience with a fun gambling session willing to provide advice?
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>coolest design of Disney-era
>furfag turns them into generic zombies
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They're just super-indoctrinated, trained to the max and maybe have cybernetic and bacta enhancements.
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I like it but I watched the in theater anniversary showing and... anon... the dialogue delivery (and I know this is old georgie boy trying to get a sort of mid-atlantic silver screen aesthetic to his dialogue). The dialogue and delivery can be downright painful to watch.
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>>97844561
Fun fact, r*bels introduced a girl death trooper - DT-F16. She is also playable in Legion.
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