>>97876272
>post resembles the straw man in comic
Nice try, Tzeentch, but you can’t fool me

Warhammer and dndogshit are on the same level of having stupid fanbases I see

The only way we can solve this is by leaving Warhammer en masse to play alt-historical wargames where the Axis forces won and are all fighting one another over the spoils.
That way we can all just assume everybody is every kind of bigot from the offset, and be ok with that as the underlying point and theme.

>>97876287
In that you come to the board specifically made for Warhammer and D&D, and seethe about them?

>>97876308
Fuck off Thulean scum. Hyperborea are the good guys.

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>>97876272
TLDR?

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>>97876272
>OP really copy and pasted most of a post in making this thread. >>97876117
Oh well I'm bored.

>How can we put an end to Imperiumfagging
You can't.

Some can argue that all the problems are the Imperium's fault during the Great Crusade, Horus Heresy, Post Heresy Scouring stuff etc., that doesn't matter anymore by the time of the current 40k eras we have now.
The Imperium is a mess, and it is the last hope for mankind's survival even if it is in a constant state of rotting away.

The Imperium isn't a good faction by any metric. It is just the last "unifying entity" that would allow for any hope of the human race to survive.
That part of it being the last unifying entity which makes it essentially a last bastion of civilization is what makes the Imperium seem like the "good guys."
It is really a lesser evil.

But as for your "imperiumtard" complaints, I don't think it is any different than people who like the Empire from Star Wars whether just on aesthetics alone or just wanting to play the bad guy so others can play out their rebels fighting the good fight fantasies.
There will always be autists that will take it too far. Best you can do is not be that kind of autist or at the level of that kind of autist.

I like the Imperium of Man anyways.

>>97876272
Compared to the other options, the Imperium are the good guys.

>>97876308
>leaving Warhammer en masse
You're more likely to start shitting gold nuggets.

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>>97877805
Not really. Most Eldar craftworlds only fight when it's absolutely necessary for their own survival and the standard of living for your average Eldar civilian is basically utopian. This fact triggers a lot of Imperiumfags because it shatters their claim to being the lesser of all evils. Their usual response is to start crying about how "arrogant" elves are, but the Imperium is routinely shown to be self-righteous, entitled cunts too.
>inb4 "npc faction" or some DBZ power scaling-tier arguments about who hype moments in Black Library slop.

Orks is best.
Imperium has a lot of cool shit. Marines are cool. SoB and Guard are cool. Admech is cool. Chaos is just the Coldsteel the Edgehog version of Imperium stuff in 40k though. It doesn't have an identity like fantasy Chaos Warriors.

>>97876272
The worst thing about imperiumtards is that they complain about gatekeeping tourists but never stfu about the imperium. Starship Troopers? Yeah the humans are the good guys. Avatar? Omg why don't they just blow up the planet like in Warhammer?! Nevermind that those settings have totally different rules and are trying to do totally different things.

Honestly the only thing to do is to bully them with memes and stuff until they shut up for good.

anti-iom posters need to go back to the avatar fandom where they belong

>>97877982
Eldar fucked a chaos god into existence, and the other eldar treat Hellraiser like a fun kids' movie. They're not somehow less evil because they have yet to match their worst fuckups. Also in case you missed it, they're not human. That makes them automatically less moral than humans.

>>97878152
Worse Eldar created all the Chaos Gods.
They are responsible for everything wrong in the 40k Galaxy including the state of humanity.

>>97878152
The craftworlders are explicitly the Eldar who wanted no part of what the pleasure cults were doing, that's why they survived. Nice try though.

>>97878199
Wrong. The Siege of Terra created the Chaos Gods. Fresh lore from the presses.

I dunno ask /hhg/

>>97878223
Thats retarded
>>97878215
Yet craftworlders are ok with interacting with Deldar and even Celdar (Chaos Eldar)

>>97877982
Ehhh... Light Eldar have been shown trying to sacrifice other species in order to complete some objective they deem necessary, and the vast majority of Eldar are Dark Eldar, who are arguably even more fucked in the head than Chaos worshippers. I'd personally put craftworlders above the imperium morally on average, but they're still Kryptman tier at best, and they're not the majority of Eldar.

>>97878262
No way Eldar have always been evil, people (secondaries) judge a book by its cover and see the Eldar wearing pretty clothes and looking elegant and think "this is literally me" and they must be the good guys.

>>97876272
>They are physically unable to imagine perspectives outside of their own. Worse than that, they are physically unable to engage in hypotheticals
There's a paradox in thinking this way about others.

>>97876319
This is a board for tabletop games which existed before and adjacent to both, and would exist even without them if you knew the history of either genre.
If you want a board just for one or two franchises, you can stick to /mlp/

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>>97878152
>Also in case you missed it, they're not human. That makes them automatically less moral than humans.

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>>97876272
Post models. You wont.

>>97876272
>How can we put an end to Imperiumfagging?
It isn't as terrible as it seems, anon.
Just because some people like playing as the bad guys in a fictional setting doesn't mean they are actually bad. No idea why people think this is so.
Especially when thinking that one's choice of 40k army they most favourite is a reflection of their personality too.


>>97879289
>Post models in threads outside the general
Is this a new meme phrase that is replacing "you missed the general?"
I don't think many thread makers are gonna want to ID themselves with their models outside the 40k general.

And also I have a feeling that they make these pointless 40k threads for shitposting or worse to bump the 40k general so they can make a new one.
Just a weird theory.

>>97879355
Oh so you don't own any models? Why are you posting about a hobby you dont take part in?

the worst are the 'tau are the good guys' faggots. but yes anybody entering 40k and then insisting that everything cater to their extreme leftist world view need to get a grip.

>>97879381
I'm not the OP of this thread, anon.

>Oh so you don't own any models?
I do own models.
>Why are you posting about a hobby you dont take part in?
I take part in this hobby. I am just smart enough to recognize the game you're trying to make me play here. I'm not falling for it.

I understand the frustration of pointless 40k threads always being pumped in here.
Often just by trolls to be honest.
I also get the frustration with the lie that /tg/ was made for 40k thus this is the 40k board.
There is no proof that that was the case. Never will be as it isn't real unless undeniable proof is presented.

>>97877982
an eldar would shoot your kneecaps off just to see the monkeigh dance.

>>97879407
>tau are the good guys
Does anyone actually say this? I’ve only ever seen people complain that tau aren’t evil enough.

>>97879423
pinkos try to larp as normies and continually post that Tau are the good guys

>>97878533
Hahahahaha! No, newfag, you are wrong. This board stems from Warhammer Wednesday and the occasional D&D threads on /b/. (You)r retarded microgame of choice was not a consideration in the creation of /tg/, and that's why it continues to be a footnote while D&D and Warhammer fill the catalog.

>>97879438
>This board stems from Warhammer Wednesday and the occasional D&D threads on /b/.
Where is the proof of that?
It just feels like a lie taken as fact at this point.

>>97876488
Reddit if full of fags

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>>97879355
>Just because some people like playing as the bad guys in a fictional setting doesn't mean they are actually bad
That’s the entire point. There is no need to invent reasons for why your guys are actually hecking based and ebin good guys.

Imperium have always been the good guys, They were literally presented that way in every fucking edition especially the early edition.
Its fucking insane 40k fans still have to listen to secondary faggots from reddit reimagining the setting into one where the Imperium are baddies

>>97879447
Dude, you just claimed that /tg/ predates Warhammer and D&D.
You are clearly a simpleton.
And to answer your question, because the first person you were talking to has clearly had enough; that's been the story of /tg/'s origin since I came to 4chan in about 2008, as was related to me by the oldfags of that time.

It's the oral history of a people whom evidently, you are not a member of.

>>97879468
>Imperium have always been the good guys, They were literally presented that way in every fucking edition especially the early edition.
Can I get quotes and page citations from the codexes, please?
I need this. This is the good kind of forbidden knowledge to BTFO secondaries.
>Its fucking insane 40k fans still have to listen to secondary faggots from reddit reimagining the setting into one where the Imperium are baddies
Isn't GW actually doing that too?
I always saw the Imperium as a necessary evil to stall mankind's extinction. Is it wrong?

>>97879447
nta but i remember someone saying this board was made because of an asuka meme and 40k

>>97879476
>Dude, you just claimed that /tg/ predates Warhammer and D&D.
I did not. Don't put words into another person's mouth.
>You are clearly a simpleton.
Maybe. I still need proof that /tg/ was made for Warhammer so the Warhammer board lie can be shown to actually be a truth.
>It's the oral history of a people whom evidently, you are not a member of.
So no actual proof.
What if you're not even those people just taking a lie for a fact?
There's no way to prove you are one of the originals without compromising anonymity.
>the first person you were talking to has clearly had enough
People who perpetuate lies tend to slink away when called out or proof is demanded or throw bad excuses for why they can't provide proof.
It isn't just here. It is all over social medias.

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>>97876272
The Imperium isn't even fascist.

The Tau are the only fascist empire in the setting.

>>97879494
I'll have to look for a better resolution of that image.
I'm just happy that you actually went and provided something.
Good job.

>>97879489
Eh, I maybe misread your post, sue me, it's eight AM here and I haven't slept yet.
Point of fact is, you clearly aren't a native, or you would know our stories.

/tg/ began as a containment board, because grognards were "shitting up" /b/ by bumping lolishitters threads off the catalog.

In an attempt to mollify the disgruntled pedophiles, /tg/ was created in order to contain the incessant Warhammer spam.

This was recorded on 1d4chan, back when that was still /tg/'s wiki.

>>97879516
>it's eight AM here and I haven't slept yet.
It's fine. I'm not gonna judge as I've been up past my bedtime many times.
>Point of fact is, you clearly aren't a native, or you would know our stories.
I'll be honest I'm not sure who to believe when it comes to these sorts of things but I am inclined to trust 1d4chan more than what we have now.
There's an archive of 1d4chan I found from a quick google, but I managed to not find a "faithful backup" of 1d4chan on the archive so you might be right about me being a simpleton.
>https://archive.org/details/wiki-1d4chan.org-20200526
Didn't find a way to actually browse the original 1d4chan. Rippo.
But you said your source being that site so I respect that.
I don't know of any other archive sites that create archives of websites that can be browsed other than archive.org.
If a link can be found I'll accept defeat like I have many times before and accept that /tg/ really was made to contain 40k and DnD stuff.

It still doesn't mean the constant Warhammer threads outside the general(s) isn't any less obnoxious.

>>97876272
>How do we put an end to imperiumfagging
guys how do we stop people from wanting to play as the protagonists???????

>>97879550
shut up faggot, /tg/ is the defacto Warhammer and DnD board, whether you like it or not. Post in your shitty general of whatever dead irrelevant game you play if it bothers you so much. Your whining wont change shit. Warhammer threads will continue

>The Imperium is Fascist
Correction, the Imperium WAS fascist.
What the Imperium is now is a theocratic state which worships what remains of the hand that guided it.
The Fascist state, to quote Mussolini, is active, engaged, it has a goal and a purpose, its own will to which all citizens are working towards and serve.
Where is the will of the Imperium? Who is its head? What drives it beyond the institutional instinct to preserve itself?
Nothing, nobody and not a sausage.
The Great Crusades era was fascism, what exists now is the decaying corpse of fascism.
And honestly, you think the faggy commielarpers would be smugly hype about such things since they can claim it validates their (equally) retarded world view.

>>97876272
Correct, if you identify with any faction or character you are a woman or a troon, that is where the meme comes from for playing female characters, you are a troon if you see yourself as the character in any way. a man observes the player character with detachment as an ally or underling he is helping or commanding and is rational enough to be able to detach reality from fiction

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>>97879776
Even the Great Crusade Era Imperium was never really fascist. The Emperor never really left the mindset of a bronze age warlord. He conquered planets, took what he wanted from them as tithe or loot, and then moved on to the next conquest. You never saw a cultural transformation like you see with the Tau for example.

>>97876534
Idk, the Tau do pretty well for themselves and they're fine with humans joining. Beats being made into a literal servitor at the whims of someone with an actual golden spoon in their mouths while your family lives in sewage.

>>97879776
the real meaningful characteristic of fascism is a politically engaged populace. the imperium is the older style of dictatorship, built on direct top down military command and decayed into politically atomized peasants who are completely in the power of their direct superiors.

>>97879494
Where does it say the Imperium are good guys? Did you not actually read the text blurb?

>>97880148
Also the Leagues of Votaan have some human worlds under their control that they treat reasonably well compared to the Imperium, so there's that too. And there's also probably independent human worlds and civilizations that have survived into the 41st/42nd Millennium that also aren't nearly as horrible a place to live as the typical Imperial Hive World.

>>97880165
NTA, but did you actually read that text blurb? Or do you need things explicitly pointed out to you? What do you think the average person (or more pertinently, the average kid) thinks (or thought, since those are some seriously old models at this point) when they read that bit about them being the guardians of humanity exactly?

>>97880205
jfc you guys genuinely are subhuman

>>97880280
So you are an autist who needs things explicitly pointed out to you then?

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>*Genocides all the neutral/peaceful races in the galaxy*
>only things left are demons, bug monsters, bio-engineered weapons, etc. that were strong and cruel enough to survive
>Wow why is everyone else so evil? I guess we're the good guys.

>>97876272
>How can they say that the Imperium is not good, when they think that Chaos is good??
Logically speaking one who does think Chaos is good would actually find the Imperium not good. Thus there is no hypocrisy.

>>97876272
The Imperium (or rather Space Marines) at the only thing that keeps GW alive. Not just 40k, the entirety of GW. As such GW will treat the Imperium and its fans better than that of any other faction. You cannot get rid of this stigma, as Warhammer as a whole would literally die without. GW would sooner go bankrupt than risk pushing Xenos or Chaos as much as the Imperium, as they know it wouldn't work.
40k is the Space Marine game. Either suck it up and accept that, or leave.

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>>97876534
I'm taking that meme holy shit

>>97880538
>>*Genocides all the neutral/peaceful races in the galaxy*
Those were xenos, ergo automatically evil. The galaxy belongs to Humanity, everything outside of Humanity is thus trespassing and must be removed.

>>97880538
>DOAT tried being nice and diplomatic
>The moment they had a crisis, literally every alien race stabbed them in the back to make it worse
All aliens are evil.

>>97878050
>Starship Troopers? Yeah the humans are the good guys
The worst thing about anti-Imperiumtards is they try to apply their gay ideology to entirely different settings.
>Bugs destroy a city in an unprovoked attack against a civilian population centre
>Slaughter unarmed colonists for even being on worlds adjacent to theirs
>Their leaders only attempt to interact with humanity is sucking peoples brains out to learn how to murder us better
>"OMG, this is just like WW2 and mankind is doin' a heckin' fascism by fighting back. Let me put on my media literacy hat so I can explain to you how Carl wearing Hugo Boss-a-likes is proof Dizzy deserved it."
At least the fuddykay kids are comparing fiction with fiction rather than going #wearethearachnids

>>97876272
Most "people" are low iq retarded apes. They are physically unable to imagine perspectives outside of their own. Worse than that, they are physically unable to engage in hypotheticals, i.e. fantasy.

Thus, the chaostard is born. The chaostard believes himself to be a "good guy". Again, since he is unable to understand hypotheticals, he takes them literally. He looks for himself in any scenario. In Warhammer 40k, he looks for himself, and he finds Chaos. Since the retard believes himself to be "the good guy", this necessarily extends to his proxy. Therefore he believes that the cruelest and most blood-thirsty monsters imaginable are good.

Of course, there are sentients who play 40k as well. Sentients recognize that Ryan Gosling is not literally you. Sentients can play any faction they like without self inserting as the little plastic figurines. This is physically inconceivable to the chaostard.

Therefore the chaostard concludes that Imperial players must believe that the Imperium is good. So, sentients must be hypocritical! How can they say that the Choas is not good, when they think that the Imperium is good?? Hence the meme.

>>97876308
Anybody playing historicals at all wishes for a time that existed prior which means a time that nazis existed so therefore any historical player in any capacity is a nazi

>>97880745
brah who the fuck thinks chaos is the good guys

>>97881052
Chaostards

>>97881052
Literally nobody. The imperiumtard projects his own mental state because he is physically unable to play with little plastic men unless he imagines that he is the plastic man.

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>>97879797
today I will remind them

>>97881052
Satanists
>bro nobody thinks
opinion disregarded

>>97880707
The idea of the movie isn't just that humans are bad it's that the war has made the two side indistinguishable.
>Their leaders only attempt to interact with humanity is sucking peoples brains out to learn how to murder us better
The movie starts with the whole idea of bugs being smart being ridiculed and ends with federation scientists experimenting on a brain bug so they can do the same thing.

>>97880590
That’s not even true, the Imperium just wiped out the aliens that helped humanity as well (and killed and enslaved the humans for accepting their help).

Ironically it was humanity that stabbed the aliens in the back.

>>97881305
>if you give boys a Batman they'll make it do Batman things because boys like Batman
>if you give it to girls they'll do non-Batman things because girls don't like Batman
Riveting stuff.

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>>97876272

I am not interested in any perspectibes other than human perspectives. It's not that I can't imagine anything else, it's that I don't see any value at all in doing so. I don't care about the opinions of an elf any more than I care about the opinions of a cockroach. While all human factions are Imperium, I will play Imperium and that's that.

Xenos are ontologically evil. Non-Imperium human factions were all race traitors and deserved to get wiped out in the crusade. And even if they weren't race traitors, Terra needed the lebensraum. The Emperor did nothing wrong. I would gladly die for Him.

>>97881541
>It's not that I can't imagine anything else,
Why lie?

>>97878199
>created all the Chaos Gods.
I've seen some convincing arguments that it was the Necrons.
>>97878215
>the Eldar who wanted no part of what the pleasure cults were doing
Uh huh. Is that why they're the Eldar that use the Paths to avoid excess, because they have to strictly police their own behavior, meaning they know it's their fault and they don't want to make it worse? Nice try though.
>>97879264
You can talk shit but you can't say I'm wrong. An alien mind will by definition have different ideas of morality and logic, it's inevitable. They would by default be incapable of what humans consider to be moral behavior. Hence, all aliens are immoral, only humans matter.

>>97881717
Humans aren’t even capable of what humans consider moral behavior.

>>97881410
>it's that the war has made the two side indistinguishable.
Except to those of us who read the book, it fucking didn't. Also the movies didn't either.

>>97881725
Sure, take your misanthropy and kindly fuck off.

>>97881745
No I don’t think I will. You can’t accept what makes humanity good.

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>moralfagging in 2000 + 20 + 6
Ladies, ladies, no need to fight! You are all spooked as fuck and ngmi!

>>97881717
>Is that why they're the Eldar that use the Paths to avoid excess, because they have to strictly police their own behavior, meaning they know it's their fault and they don't want to make it worse?
If God obliterated the city Las Vegas with a giant hammer that said "Stop gambling" then you can bet that everyone one the planet would not only immediately stop gambling, there would also be higher church attendance than ever before, and people who be finding the best way to be 'more Christian' as quickly as possible.

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>>97879289
I sold and smashed my models cuck

>>97881734
>Except to those of us who read the book, it fucking didn't.
Can you stfu about the book? We've all read the book here. The movie is going for a totally different angle
>Also the movies didn't either.
Explain how the movies don't show how the war makes humans more like the bugs.

Human Pride Galaxy Wide!

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>>97882255
>and people who be finding the best way to be 'more Christian' as quickly as possible.
Man what is with mortals, I even made sure everyone saw the hammer

>>97876272
>Now, what can be done to prevent these subhumans from totally overrunning /tg/
Nothing, you blithering retard
It's an account-free imageboard with extremely relaxed moderation. You have no control over the actions of hundreds of people. There is no magic combination of words and images that can make the people you don't like flee like vampires before a cross.
Whatever happens, happens.

>>97881717
its actual lore that the Eldar created all chaos gods during the war in heaven. Its been published in official lore tomes. It also makes sense.

>>97882989
Actually, according to The End And The Death, all the Chaos Gods were spawned by the duel between The Emperor and Horus. It broke reality and let the Gods insert themselves at the dawn of time.

>>97883009
yeah nah thats bs.
liber Chaotica says from the writings of a WFB monk that he saw the creation of the Chaos Gods in a vision when the Eldar created weapons that turned into Gods. The resulting turmoil in the war in heaven created chaos in the warp and the first chaos daemons

>>97883054
>liber Chaotica
Antiquated lore, now overwritten. Can be soundlrly ignored.

>>97882255
listen the *real* reason the craftworlders aren't the good guys is that they're space amish. the eldar who ruled the galaxy would rightfully look at them as a mental dead end. they look like people but there's nothing of value inside.

>>97876272
>This hasn't happened to me, but I imagine it happening to me all the time in the shower. What can we do about this.
We all know you don't shower. Get out.

>>97883158
No. Go back to redit

>fled eldar society because it was too degenerate
>racist
>trad
>muh ancestors
Craftworlders are chuds. Exodar are the real space Amish.

>>97883181
>space amish
That's the Exodites.

>>97879634
>/tg/ is the defacto Warhammer and DnD board
>Warhammer threads will continue
By popularity sure. This means that if Warhammer and DnD die (as all things eventually end) and new IPs overtake them in popularity it means new stuff will replace them.
Does this mean this board becomes the board of those IPs by this logic?
>Your whining wont change shit.
It won't but it does make me superior. You're free to display your denial of that fact.

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>>97876272
>Chaos players must believe that Chaos is good.
...What's wrong with GOOD Chaos?!

>>97882919
>Explain how the movies don't show how the war makes humans more like the bugs.
Explain how it does. Name something from any of the movies, even the sequels, that says humans were becoming more like the bugs.

>>97882989
If daemons were created by Eldar evils, why don't they look like Eldar? Only Slaaneshi daemons do, to an extent. The rest don't.

>>97882255
The people that weren't gambling wouldn't need to change their behavior, so your analogy fails.

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>>97876272
>Thus, the imperiumtard is born. The imperiumtard believes himself to be a "good guy"
Speaking as a Imperial Genestealer Cultist, the Imperium is the good guy. It is a reasonably tolerant and meritocratic society where even mutants are allowed to continue surviving so long as they contribute to the greater whole. We should all venerate the Four-Armed Emperor for creating such a beautiful and well-ordered society so that our glorious Patriarch ruler can ensure the peace and safety of all peoples and star children.

>>97884321
Carl goes from being able to use his powers to control his pet to being able to influence humans at the end of 1 and fully controlling them in Traitor of Mars. He even talks about how his entire job is sending people to die like they're soldier ants. Military Intelligence is becoming the human equivalent of the brain bugs.

On the other hand you have Rico who went from being a normal high schooler to a guy who's entire purpose is killing bugs because they wiped out his home and everyone he loved. The war changed his entire direction in life.

>>97883778
Prescribing a set of actions is pretty much antithetical to chaos as a concept.

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>>97884321
The movies are gay because they were intentionally constructed to lampoon the George H.W. Bush administration and portray the United Citizen Federation as a fascist government that murders its own people in a false flag event to justify the war. In the books ALL the bugs are intelligent, Buenos Aires was a premeditated attack, and the UCF is led by a Sky Marshal that is elected. You're arguing over the gayest and most conceptually stunted version of the media in question.

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>>97876534
>The Imperium is a mess, and it is the last hope for mankind's survival even if it is in a constant state of rotting away.

Are they really human anymore when they've sacrificed their humanity?

>>97884536
why do people like you exist? Starship troopers was shot before Bush and 9/11

Like you just drank the leftwing kool aid on this topic.
Is it seriously that hard to use your brain?

>>97884536
>The movies are gay because they were intentionally constructed to lampoon the George H.W. Bush administration and portray the United Citizen Federation as a fascist government that murders its own people
I don't think that's gay. I think that's a really interesting way to juxtapose the themes of the book. Starship Troopers the book is about a society with a limited government but the movie is about a statist government that uses the rhetoric of the book's society to give itself legitimacy
>in a false flag event to justify the war.
The false flag thing is just a fan theory
>In the books ALL the bugs are intelligent
Afaik there's nothing in the movie that confirms they all aren't except for the brain bugs. I guess the warrior and worker bugs probably aren't considering Carl was able to brainwash them in movie 4. But you could easily imagine the larger variants like the tanker bugs being smart.

>>97884575
are eldar really eldar anymore when they arent degenerate children of chaos and have to go to great lengths to suppress their true nature eg demented schizo psycho magic fairies

>>97884585
Anon, there were two presidents named George Bush. >>97884536 is talking about George Bush senior.

>>97884593
no he isnt. Hes repeating a badly thought out leftwing fan theory that the movie was lampooning Bush jr and the meteor was like 9/11

Stop being stupid

>>97884536
Brainlet post of a theory regurgitated from the shittiest parts of the net. You're the peak example of how much /tg/ crossposts with Reddit.

>>97884596
Jesus, please tell me you're trolling. He clearly said "George H.W. Bush" which is George W. Bush's father and the president years before Starship Troopers ever started filming.

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>>97884585
>before Bush and 9/11
Why are you allowed to vote?

>>97884606
it doesnt matter you low iq fucking retard what he said, the fact he said the meteor attack on Buenos Aries was a falseflag is alluding to 9/11 being a false flag used to justify the Bush era war in iraq. Which is the retarded fan theory he is referring to.
Him saying Senior is a mistake because hes a fucking dumbass just like you.

>>97884613
you low iq retard

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>>97884596
>>97884619
>>97884622
Zoomers like you should not be allowed to have opinions.

>>97884625
stop, you are not as smart as you think you are you are infact incredibly stupid.

There was NO presumed false flag attack that triggered the first gulf war you utter retarded cunt.

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>>97884630
>There was NO presumed false flag attack that triggered the first gulf war you utter retarded cunt.
Cool, I never said there was. You're just incapable of understanding how to parse sentences with the word "and" in them.

>>97884644
No you are fucking retarded stfu and stop doubling down you lying redditor idiot.

This theory has ALWAYS been alluding to the idea the movie was shot at the same time as the second iraq war. But it wasnt, thats why its retarded just like you.

>>97884646
>launches into tirade about George W. Bush and 9/11, unaware who George H.W. Bush was
>diverts into tirade about the Gulf War after a quick google search, as if the idea of a false flag attack was attached to George H.W. Bush and the Gulf War
>starts going on a rant about "this theory" as if it's not a narrative scarecrow you've irrationally dedicated yourself to screeching about
Get mental help you fucking lunatic.

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>>97884575
No. The worst part of the Imperium is just how badly they treat people in the name of “””””humanity”””””. Nigger what humanity? Is it in the room with us now?

>>97884651
retard
theres many people that pushed this theory

https://undersoutherneyes.edpinsent.com/the-war-on-bugs/

Rob Ager wrote a book on it and theres been articles pushing it.

Are you incapable of being a retard redditor?

>>97884652
>play game about Space Marines in which you go to an actual burial world where there are so many people interred you quite literally stomp on dozens of grave markers in a firefight
>sees two servitors in a wall and decides the imperium treats everybody that way

>>97884661
>theres many people that pushed this theory
So go argue with them, faggot. Don't launch into a deranged tirade about it because a buzzword triggered your reflex to screech about it. You are a set of pre-programmed rhetorical arguments masquerading as a human being.

>>97884652
people? servitors are just vat grown bodies. They have to do this because true robots are banned because the threat of chaos.

>>97876329
the neu schwabian luftwaffe will eclipse the (inner) sun

>>97884665
you are low iq. You got called out for being retarded and you cant accept it like a typical low iq redditor.
Just stfu and fuck off back to your site.

>>97884669
>y-you got called out!!!!
>forget the fact I am so retarded I see the name "George H.W. Bush" and start blathering about his son and 9/11
Seek meds or .50 caliber aspirin.

>>97884671
Again it doesnt matter that he typed H.W because hes referring to the "false flag" parallel of 9/11. that conspiracy nuts claim justified the second iraq war.
So he (you) badly mangled and repeated an idiot fan theory.
Never underestimate the redditors capacity to repeat bullshit that they got wrong and then refuse to accept they are wrong about it

>>97884666
>servitors are just vat grown bodies
Many servitors are convicted "criminals" or just citizens who happened to be in the wrong place or the wrong time when the mechanicus needed more bodies.

drawing parallels to bush senior and 9/11 with the ST movie is even more retarded because thats two events a decade apart with the movie almost in the middle

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>>97884678
You want to know how fucking retarded you are? Your brain links "false flag" directly to "George H.W. Bush" by substituting him for his son even when it is, by the very nature of the sentence, directly linked to the portrayal of the UCF as a fascist government. You are literally incapable of any thought process other than the one that adheres to the preconstructed narrative that has been programmed into what passes for your brain. You do not have independent thoughts nor the ability to think critically. You are a human robot.

>>97884682
nope this is bullshit reddit lore. Its taken from a BL novel where illegal servitors were being made from criminals

>>97876272
What's with redditors always trying to moralfag about muh "no good guys" and other shit like that? We all know you're virtue-signaling, the question is what for?
Reddit spacing is a dead giveaway btw, work on your bait.
I did notice that in the last few years more and more trannies and other faggots have invaded the hobbie though. I don't remember people bitching and moaning about the Imperium to this extent even 5 years ago.

>>97884687
just stfu you are a fucking utter retard no one is listening anymore.

>>97884694
I'm going to continue browbeating you for being a retard until you stop replying.

>>97884693
you must be new this shit has been going on since at least 2018
>>97884697
you are so low iq you cant even comprehend how you fucked up with it explained to you.

>>97884698
>b-but I explained why I launched into an irrational tirade about George W. Bush and 9/11 when you mentioned his father and false flag attacks as independent concepts
It doesn't matter. You're still retarted.

>>97884698
Nah, it definitely wasn't as bad 8 years ago.

>>97884706
>George H.W. Bush administration and portray the United Citizen Federation as a fascist government that murders its own people in a false flag event to justify the war.

direct quote. You will ALWAYS be low iq.

>>97884662
>>97884666
>Oy vey, gole- I mean servitors are not real people! They don’t count!
The average imperium goy lives in a hive city, works 18 hour shifts in a factory. If they are lucky, they will die early and get turned into corpse starch.

>>97884714
>direct quote
So let get this straight: If I say "Clowns and Strippers that moonlight as prostitutes" you believe that means I'm declaring that clowns moonlight as prostitutes? Fucking idiot.

>>97884713
it was much worse in 2018 it was fucking unhinged.
If you were a genuine 40k fan on here and said anything about the setting you got rabidly brigaded by discord anti-fans.

I said in one thread "the Eldar created Slaanesh" and the brigading discord faggots replied in seconds with about thirty posts calling me a nazi and various other insults.

>>97884732
Oh yeah, I remember those trannies now, holy shit I totally forgot about those. I just dismissed those back in the day because it was clearly an organized raid here and they were easy to tell apart from normal posters.

The imperium is what happens when you take “the ends justify the means” to it’s logical conclusion. The ends become unreachable and you’re left with horrific means that serve literally no purpose. The emperor genocided almost all the xenos and killed/enslaved the greater part of humanity only to fucking job 0.01 seconds after starting his grand plan. What a bitchmade retard. He fucked everything up for no benefit.

Another L for filthy consequentialist scum.

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>>97884715
>The average imperium goy lives in a hive city, works 18 hour shifts in a factory
Just wait until you get to live through wartime and the fiction becomes real.

>>97884693
>THE IMPERIUM ARE THE GOOD GUYS!!!! THEY’RE GOOD!!!!! YOU’RE MORALFAGGING IF YOU DON’T THINK THEY ARE GOOD!!!!
The moralnigger cries out in pain as he strikes you.

>>97884741
>The average imperium goy lives in a hive city, works 18 hour shifts in a factory
why do leftists even hate this, thats their dream society.

>>97884742
Nigger, calm down, you're being hysterical.

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>>97884745
Neo-Marxists think someone else is going to be doing the work.

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>>97884750
>the imperium are the good guys and I will go to great lengths to justify every single action they take
>but YOU are the moralfag!!!!
Unable to imagine a mental state outside of his own, the imperiumtard projects his own…

>>97884738
>He fucked everything up for no benefit.
Far be it from me to defend the Emperor for his bad decisions, but I'd put most of the responsibility for that onto Horus. Not all of it, but most of it.

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>>97884690
"The creation mysteries for Servitors vary from Chapter to Chapter. Some are grown from human gene-cells in artificial nutrient. Others are failed neophytes, civilian criminals or fugitives from Chapter law who have been mind-wiped and lobotomised so that their flesh may serve anew."
- Codex: Space Marines 5th edition page 72

>>97884756
You are being hysterical. You are arguing with a point that hasn't been made by me.

>>97884768
>You are arguing with a point that hasn't been made by me.
That seems to be a theme in this thread.

>>97884763
most servitors are vat grown. The imperium turns heretics into battle servitors.
Theres a difference

>>97884770
Yeah, I noticed. Fucking trannies, man, I swear to God.

>>97884768
>>97884775
>reddit trannies!!!! trannies and reddit eveywhere!!!
>you’re hysterical btw!!!
Unable to imagine a mental state outside of his own, the imperiumtard projects his own…

>>97884773
>get's proven wrong
>immediately moves goalposts
Many such cases!

>>97884781
You are being hysterical, calm down. Point at a post where I defended the Imperium.

>>97884798
>reddit trannies!!!! trannies and reddit eveywhere!!!
>you’re hysterical btw!!!
Unable to imagine a mental state outside of his own, the imperiumtard projects his own…

>>97884803
I am accepting your concession. Take your meds and get off the internet, especially I would advise leaving the discord that talked you into cutting your dick off. It's not healthy.

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>>97884782
its not wrong secondary. Its a fact that the Imperium mostly uses vat grown servitors.
Being a heretic is the worst thing ever to them. Its synonymous with traitor. So to give them a chance for redemption they turn heretics into living weapons and set then upon the enemy.
This is basic lore.

Utility servitors like the ones you showed were NEVER people, they are used in place of advanced computers.

Like i said, redditors often post one of the BL crime novels as evidence the imperium just randomly turns civilians into servitors but that is in fact against the law. Hence why its a crime novel

>>97884812
>reddit trannies!!!! trannies and reddit eveywhere!!!
>you’re hysterical btw!!!
Unable to imagine a mental state outside of his own, the imperiumtard projects his own…

>>97884803
>>97884815
NTA
Can you outline your specific problem(s) with Imperiumtards?
I skimmed this thread and the general vibe to me is just faction shitting or being unable to understand when a person is just playing a bad guy so others can play the hero.

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You can’t. They are playing a different word game. The spergs have decided that good = whatever the imperium does. It is therefore impossible for the imperium to not be good, as that would contradict the definition of good.
There is no lore, no action, no possible criteria which would convince them that the imperium is not good. It is simply inconceivable. It’s like a regular person trying to imagine a square circle. It just doesn’t make sense.

>>97884846
good guy just means protag or hero. Why does the Imperium have to be squeaky clean to be the good guys?
According to your logic no time in human history has there ever been good guys.
This is funny from your side since you love anti-heroes. So the Imperium would fulfil the definition of an anti-hero.


eg well in medieval europe they tortured people to death so we can't really have heroic knight fiction

>>97884855
Read Wittgenstein.

>>97880148
>>97880197
Lore sources, please? It is hard to tell what is or isn't fan theories taken as facts about the lore among fans nowadays.

Also those still kind of prove the point of what >>97876534 said of the Imperium maintaining it's whole thing of being the last unifying force able to keep mankind alive as Tau/Votann allowing humans to live among them only serves to divide mankind in a sort of "united we stand divided we fall" in a perverse way where the only way to unite to stand is to side with a dictatorial empire that is the worst imaginable. Dividing mankind dooms it.

Also apparently latest news states that the chaos gods were created by Emperor's fight with Horus so if that is true then it might mean that mankind was the true plague on existence that ruined everything.

Horus did nothing wrong.

>>97884813
>doubles down on goal post shifting after being called out
It's just getting sad now. You said servitors were vat grown and any evidence to the contrary was BL slop, I give you a codex excerpt from the most popular faction's main lore/rule book, as solid a source as you can get for 40k, that explicitly states Space Marines will use failed neophytes, criminals, and fugitives. It depends on the chapter. The same source explains that they are used in roles other than combat, as well.
>Servitors are mono-task adapted slaves that exist solely to assist a Chapter's Techmarines in their laborious duties.
>a Space Marine Chapter relies heavily on its Servitors to maintain its weapons of war.

>>97884858
no. The premise of your argument is ridiculous. Because you cant define good guys.
They are the guy guys despite looking like frightening skull covered gothic killers.

As an example Cowboys are lauded as heroes that fought bandits but originally Cowboys were the bandits, literally a bandit gang called the Cowboys.
And in many societies bandits are lauded as folk heroes despite being murderers and robbers.

So what does good guy mean to you because to actual 40k fans marines blast killer evil aliens, so they are the good guys.
>>97884863
>latest news
stop repeating retard shit you read off reddit

>>97884883
I’m afraid you’ll have to read Wittgenstein to unlock more (you)s.

>>97884888
no. You cant provide an argument so you lost.

>>97884883
I didn't repeat things I found off reddit.
I got it off posts from this site.

>>97884897
well its made up because that book has been out for ages and no one has talked about that until you brought it up

>there are no good guys
Lame, gay, low test.
>there are only good guys
Patrician. Sigma. Alpha male.

>>97884898
>well its made up because that book has been out for ages
>its made up
Well yeah 40k is fictional.
>that book has been out for ages and no one has talked about that
It probably wasn't a very good book, but if what I read turns out to be true from the book then it means that it was a retcon and whatever went down in the book is now 'canon' as canon can be in 40k as it is a long stream of retcons on retcons.

So are the Tau and Votann having collectives of human communities among them true or not with book sources?

>>97884924
it isnt true, its just some retard making up anti-imperium anti-human anti-emperor shit.
I cant find evidence anywhere of what you are talking about.

Anti-40k trannies are mentally ill and obsessed with lying and creating fake lore to debunk accepted lore.

For me, it’s chaos.

>>97884942
>it isnt true, its just some retard making up anti-imperium anti-human anti-emperor shit.
>I cant find evidence anywhere of what you are talking about.

>the whole thing was made up
Maybe it wasn't but if it has been made up then that's a mistake on my part for believing it.
Sorry if it really was made up.

I'll probably check back later, but unless proof that the made up thing surfaces here (page number, book etc.) I guess I'll resign to be wrong here.

>>97884841
NTA
Total inability to engage with fiction. The kind of person that rabidly insists that their faction is le good no matter what is the kind of person that is unable to separate real life from a game, in more ways than one. If you’re lucky, this only manifests as some retard that unironically calls people heretics, spergs about tau or whatever, or continuously brings up real life politics while playing.
>when a person is just playing a bad guy so others can play the hero.
Why do you need to “play the hero”? Why would I choose a faction just so (you) can do that? Orks are cool so I play them. You can think about a story without inserting yourself into it.

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>>97884534
>Prescribing a set of actions is pretty much antithetical to chaos as a concept.
OH YEAH?!
*Throws a Cookie Bouquet at you!*

>>97884983
that just sounds like a tau fag
>calls people heretics
you are autistic, 40k is not for you.

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>>97884420
>He even talks about how his entire job is sending people to die like they're soldier ants
You're an actual retard.
Usually when people say that on 4chan they're being hyperbolic, but I'm standing here, looking at you sitting there in your propeller hat, legs clamped around a gallon bucket, when you look up at me with those big, crooked, slightly-too-far-apart eyes and babble out "The thing that shows the two sides are different is actually the thing that makes them the same." before dipping your entire face back into the paste and it's just an assessment.
The difference between the two sides, retard-kun, is that Carl, in that very scene, is making a declaration of moral responsibility.
His exact words are:
>Carl: You disapprove? Well, too bad! We're in this war for the species, boys and girls. It's simple numbers. They have more. And every day I have to make decisions that send hundreds of people like you to their deaths.
Carl is saying, outright, that what he's doing isn't because he doesn't care about those he sends to die, but because if he doesn't send good men and women to die?
Everyone dies.
Because the Bugs have no such moral computations, to them an individual drone is a thing that has no value.
Carl has done the dreadful algebra of necessity and come to the conclusion that sending soldiers, volunteers to a man mind you who chose this life, off to their deaths is tragic, but if they don't take a Brain bug then mankind is going to just be beaten through pure attrition.
Shit, Ricos response?
>Johnny Rico: Didn't they tell you, Colonel? That's what the Mobile Infantry is good for.
Even Rico, who is the one who was judging Carl for being so cold and who has lost a good friend in this very operation, has to admit that no, this is war and this is what they're here for.
Carl is answering justifying his answer to a question that no bug even cared to ask in the first place.
Retard.

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>>97885145
A pedestrian's view of things versus a High Lord's perspective.

>>97885113
>authoritarianism prevents subversion
Are we playing the same game? What the fuck are you smoking?

>>97884813
>>97884876
>It depends on the chapter.
It also depends on the faction in general, who is doing the sourcing and why. The worst offenders of servitorizing people that don't deserve it are always going to be the Mechanicus themselves. They'll get away with it partially because of the Treaty of Mars, and keep in mind that Treaty is the Emperor allowing significant degrees of autonomy for a cult that later retains that autonomy in relation to the Imperial Cult. By that same token they are also the faction that has the greatest access to technology like vatgrown people. For them it comes down to what's most practical and orthodox to their beliefs plus personal discretion on a case-by-case basis.

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>>97885145
In fact, this entire incident takes place at Dizzys fucking funeral.
Anon, you rube, you dullard, you absolute fucking moron.
Carl is there to apologize for the death of Dizzy while also explaining that they have to go back in because it's the only way they stand a chance.
He's there, you dribbler, because they're not soldier ants.
Because it needs the personal touch.
Because he has to justify what he's done and going to do again.
Because someone he knew died on that mission.
An operation that was his idea and that he is responsible for the outcomes of.
Not only is the entire thing the exact opposite of "You're being ordered off to war by a leader who thinks of you as entirely expendable", but it's taking place at an event that's dedicated to the death of a single person because individuals matter to mankind.

There is no bug equivalent of this scene, where a Brain Bug comes out of its nest to mourn the loss of a single drone at an elaborate ceremony dedicated to the life of that drone, then explains to its drone buddies that they've got to go off on another operation, only for the drones to point out they chose to be here.
The idea is absurd on the face of it because the Bugs feel no mutual responsibility when commanding their own to war, because the life of one foot soldier is meaningless to them, while to humanity? It is enough that a commanding officer is left justifying himself to a grunt.

The Bug has no conception of a funeral.

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>>97885227
I mean for fuck sake, the great win of the entire movie is finding one that's capable of even conceptualizing self-preservation.
"It's afraid" isn't a declaration of "Yeah, we got this big mean ol' bug afraid of our Hugo Boss, we're so based :)", it's proclaiming that they've actually found a bug that matters in the grand scheme of things.
One that's important enough to be an individual, for their capture to have some meaning.

That there is a bug that, while it doesn't give a shit about the loss of others, would mourn its own loss.
And therefore it fears us.

And so maybe, just maybe, applying enough force will in fact act as leverage if they can put it on the Brains. Because up until now they've been trying to King Canute a tide of claws and mandibles that cared as much for its own losses as we do for the expenditure of a bullet.

Now pack up your big, floppy shoes, baggy pants and custard pie collection, get back in your wee little car with your 30 other buddies and fuck off back to the circus you absolute clown.

>>97884592
they're not children of chaos, they're its progenitors.

>>97884855
In Medieval England, torture was illegal and only made legal (if done by the government) after the medieval period was over, during the early modern.

>>97885256
The progenitor of Slaanesh surely, but the others? Not so sure about that. The forces named Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh surely predated the Eldar, as life predated the Eldar. There were species that existed independently of the Old Ones or Necrontyr, and remember that the Necrons were once biological entities that were no strangers to the conditions associated with Nurgle. The War in Heaven, particularly the psychic races the Old Ones created to fight in it, intensified those forces far beyond their previous metaphysical state.

I guess what I'm getting at is that the Eldar are responsible for feeding 3 and creating the 4th. I'd call them Chaos' nursemaids rather than its progenitors.

>>97885256
they are literally the children of chaos, chaos is them and completely natural to them. Its all their crazy thoughts made real by their psychic powers.
The Eldar used to power their robots with daemons because they didnt see anything wrong with it and felt the chaos daemons/gods were harmless and in their control. They also have zero issue hanging out in the Eye of Terror with their mutated daemon kin. Who are the most powerful agents of chaos.
They are the most prized followers of chaps when they turn, thats unless they turn into a warp spawn or just explode in uncontrolled warp energy.
tl;dr Eldar are fish and chaos is their water.

>>97885273
they definitely created all of them.
Khorne = khaine
Nurgle = Isha
Tzeentch = Laughing God

>>97885285
So where does Asuryan fit in?

>>97885275
That's slightly unfair, given that the Chaos Gods as they're currently known of are a result of the War in Heaven and the Eldar were as well.
We don't know what the Immaterium was like before the Old Ones bit into the Crazy Hamburger and dropped weapons so big they basically irradiated the entirety of reality with the concept of war itself.
It'd be like saying "People from Chernobyl are the children of radiation"
They weren't, but certain events created an association between the area and fallout and now they're kind of stuck with it and sure some of them were involved but doesn't mean everyone was.
Come to think of it the Eldar were involved in the War in Heaven, I wonder if Slaanesh is the first God they created or if all of them were Eldar Woopsies during the fighting.

>>97885296
its not perfect, honestly i think Tzeentch is the weakest one.
Khorne and Khaine is the strongest
We then have Nurgle and Isha as another strongly hinted connection.

So it suggests a pattern. Also bear in mind that not only do the Eldar and Chaos Gods share a link, so do the C'tan. The Laughing God is also the Deceiver.


If i was to take a guess Slaanesh is the dark reflection of Asuryan

>>97885298
we do know what the Immaterium was like before Chaos, it was calm and the afterlife for Eldar.
And they used it to create their warp God weapons which led to the creation of Chaos and Chaos Gods.

>>97885298
It was the Eldar that messed up the warp they created the first warp Gods, the Eldar Gods. Khaine is their war god. The first war god and the obvious original khorne. Khorne is like the dark twisted reflection of Khaine.
Eventually the Eldar Gods shadows were not only fuelled by Eldar but other species until they became the Chaos Gods an amalgamation of many species concepts of war etc. Thats why they are so twisted.

>>97885311
Personally I think the connection helped them survive but doesn't mean imply an identical state of being, Khorne and Khaine are empowered by similar concepts but not exactly the same entity.
>>97885317
NTA, but that begets a question: Why did the birth of Slaanesh scar reality so gravely but the other three did not? Three malevolent entities were birthed without such an incident, but then the fourth creates a never-healing wound in reality that only widens and never closes?

>>97885353
>Why did the birth of Slaanesh scar reality so gravely but the other three did not?
Who says they didn't?
Maybe that's the reason why the entire 40k setting is the way it is.
Brutality, Stagnation and Murphys Law are carved into the foundations and bedrock of reality itself.
It'd certainly explain a lot of things wouldn't it?

>>97885353
it did in the war in heaven the war between warp gods and immaterium gods was so chaotic that the distinction between them blurred. That strongly implies the Laughing God is the deceiver thing i mentioned. At least some of them are Gods on the other side that switched over.
After that the enslavers came and shut down all psychic life, that would shut down all warp rifts.
The chaos gods would have been incredibly weakened and had to wait millions of years for new psychic species to reappear.

>>97885359
>It'd certainly explain a lot of things wouldn't it?
A few things yes, but hard to rationalize against others
>>97885407
Someone get me a Radical Inquisitor that wants to cause a second Enslave Plague to stop Chaos. That sounds great.

>>97885417
yeah but enslavers is like Halo, its like the flood and the halo weapons going off. It just kills everyone. Maybe if humans could hide in the webway when that happens as the Emperor wanted.

>>97885353
>Why did the birth of Slaanesh scar reality so gravely but the other three did not?
it probably just gradually calmed down in the 60 million years since then

also more generally whatever the warp was like before the eldar, they've ruled the galaxy long enough to have almost certainly replaced all of it

>>97885427
That's why it's simultaneously appropriate for a Radical Inquisitor and profoundly retarded. It's perfect.

>>97885275
no, chaos is what we call the warp after what the eldar did to it. I guess slaanesh in particular but it's very much spelled out that they were the big boys in the othersea long before that particular fuckup. the gods kind of take it further but the vast majority of what's in them has its origin in the eldar. probably most of the demons in the warp that aren't amalgamations of psychic detritus or something are just former eldar.

>>97885235
Well my argument wasn't that the federation was exactly like the bugs, only that they're becoming more and more like them as the war goes on. It's true that capturing the brain bug was a big victory but it's also ironic that by the time they've found a bug they could potentially negotiate with they're only interested in tearing it open to find new ways to kill bugs. Then in the third movie there's the scene with the god bug that makes it clear they only see humans as pests too.

It's true rico does get mad at the brass but he's the badass war hero character so he's expected to do that from time to time.

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>>97885235
Chill out bro it's just a movie


You're not making your arguments better by throwing in a bunch of tryhard insults, you're just making yourself look childish.


Do yourself a favor and lay off the processed foods. Cut the carbs from your diet and start taking vitamin supplements. You don't have to go full keto but once you start eating right your mood will improve and your brain and your body will thank you.

>muh imperium protects humanity
They explicitly hold humanity back. Humans would have necron-tier tech if the imperium didn't assrape anyone who made anything new.

>>97884855
>Good guy = protag or hero.
I thought the same thing until I watched God of war 3. As it turns out "protagonist" just means he's the guy doing the action. They don't have to be good people by any metric. Now it helps, because you see them the most, but it's not a must

>>97880538
>races
You mean species, because they aren't humans. IE. you can't treat them inhumanly because they aren't human.

>>97885886
humane or inhumane describes the action or actor, not the object acted upon

>>97884592
>and have to go to great lengths to suppress their true nature eg demented schizo psycho magic fairies
The lengths actually aren't that great. The Path System isn't some autistic "YOU MUST ONLY THINK OF THIS PATH YOU HAVE SET YOURSELF ON FOR THE NEXT 1,000 YEARS" it's more "If you feel the desire to do X, here's a healthy way to go about it until you decide to do something else." It's meant to keep Eldar from getting burning out and getting bored, since that's what led to the Pleasure Cults in the Empire.
Craftworlds didn't have the Pleasure Cult issue in the first place since they were separated from the Empire, but they realized it's better to have a system than to simply drift into despair and inaction.
An Eldar who doesn't want to follow the Paths just becomes a Ranger and goes off exploring until they calm down and come back.

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>>97880745
I think it's even more nuanced than that. An intelligent person can recognize that some parts of fascism are pretty cool, without being a supporter of fascism IRL.

I would never want to live in the warhammer world, but seeing space marines and dreadnaught marching in parade is sick as hell and makes me feel powerful and it feels like order, which is lacking in our world.

Again, I don't WANT that world to actually exist, but certain parts are really cool.

It's weird how some people can't take bits and pieces from all ideologies that they like. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. I can support voter id laws (right wing) and also support socialized medicine(left wing)

Aristotle said:
>It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it

>>97885915
>humane
>"Humane" (mid-15th century) originates from the Latin hūmānus (of man, human, refined), stemming from homō ("man," "earthling"). Originally, humane and human were identical in spelling and meaning, covering both "of human nature"

You literally can't be humane without being human. Only humans can be humane. Only humans deserve it.

>>97885937
Shut up, faggot. Eldar are Kroot-tier NPCs. Your faction exists solely to give Slaanesh a background so the Emperor's Children have a patron.

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>>97886009
Did you even read what I wrote? Why did you reply to me?

>>97876272
What a fragile faggot
What you want is to freely admit and revel in being a fat Nazi fuck. No one gives a shit if you play imperium, it's the fucking default, basic bitch normie shit almost everyone plays in this fucking game. You're catered to nonstop with minis and books and shows and Henry fucking Cavill
The only place you get friction is if you pretend they're not what they are- Catholic space nazis- because *you* are self inserting and desperately need to be the good guys. That's not a fucking problem Necron or Tyranid or Dark Eldar have. You wanna play a bad guy? Go ahead, they're all fucking bad guys. You wanna play a good guy? Find another fucking game, you fragile little eunuch.

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>>97886119
Great Bait Mate

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>>97886019
You said:
>humane or inhumane describes the action or actor
I said you're wrong, and that humane is describing the state of being human.

Which means non-humans can't be humane. Being humane to a non-human makes no sense, because they can't be humane to you.

Do you care at all about self-preservation or are you one of those depressed anti-natalist lunatics that wishes they were never born, so you hope your people and culture are wiped out?

>>97886251
The blue text in a 4chan post signifies a reply. You can view and read these posts by hovering over the blue text.

Try it now:
>>97880538
>>97885886
>>97885915
>>97886009
>>97886019

>the imperium are least bad
so you're saying they are... the greater good?

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>>97886251
>Being humane to a non-human makes no sense
>Being humane [...] makes no sense
>humane is describing the state of being human.
>the state of being human [...] makes no sense
this nigga is joining the ruinous powers in real time

>>97876272
Reminder that the IoM are actually the objective morally good faction in the setting.

imperium tards are the same mongrels that jerk off to those monkey torture videos that thirdies make

>>97886515
>Being humane to a non-human makes no sense
Why does it make sense if they can't be humane back?

>>97881216
I sometimes pretend I am a minotaur from WHFB in the bedroom

>>97886004
The Imperium isn’t even fascist. The only fascist state in Warhammer 40k is the Tau.

>>97886119
>That's not a fucking problem Necron or Tyranid or Dark Eldar have
Because they're Xenos and Xenos players have known for a long time that they're second-fiddle to the Imperium and Chaos. If anything, I've found GW to be insufferable Chaos-faggots who got so high on their own supply we saw them destroy the Old World and act like that was some grand, wondrous victory. Chaos players are bitchy little faggots who act like they're the underdog despite their faction having the most "hard wins" in the lore besides Tau.

That's really what OP's image meant to me. Chaos players are crybullies who insist they need to be the main character in every scene they're in and then fall into hysterics when they lose or are portrayed as sniveling cowards.

>>97885623
>Gets fucked in the ass so hard he starts rambling about Keto
Jesus, his dick must've been knocking against the base of your temporal lobe.

What is it about Chaos that causes so much seethe?

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>>97880538
>humanity has a massive, progressive empire that spans most the galaxy, humans integrate aliens into their empire during a position of strength
>flips to dark age of technology
>following the collapse of the human empire everywhere humanity was being fucked extensively
>many human colonies just agree to join up with the crusades to re-unify humanity despite apparently having a bunch of alien allies.
>orks still existed and formed massive empires with titan sized warbosses.
>implication in the fluff suggests that from the dawn of time everything was fucked because of the C'tan, the nightbrininger personally fucking the psyche of all races
There's likely a history small tragedies where humans did cooperate with aliens, but the just existence of the interex suggests that the expedition leaders [read: sane primarchs] had discretion over how they acted to a point during the crusade.
the crusades were still handled by fanatical zealots but i think humanity would be far more reasonable during this time, and we'd hear far more about inter-species empires if it was true.
the fact is the universe of 40k sucked, sucked straight from the start.

>>97884855
Based and true. The good guys are just the guys you like the most.

>>97880817
>any historical player in any capacity is a nazi
This except completely unironically tho

>>97884420
And that's not "becoming like the bugs" because human psychic experimentation was a thing before the war.
>The war changed his entire direction in life.
Also not becoming like the bugs.
>>97884536
>You're arguing over the gayest and most conceptually stunted version of the media in question.
I tried to include the book, he rejected it completely. Probably because he knew if he tried he had no leg to stand on.

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>>97888158
>Probably because he knew if he tried he had no leg to stand on.
Dude tried really hard to zero in on a preconstructed narrative though. I've seen his type before: Crypto-commies.

The imperium is a bronze age nigger-tier warband. Of course its most ardent defenders are retarded apes.

>>97876272
>Whole lot of waffling and moaning

Wasn't /tg/ specifically made to contain the very people you're complaining about? Also there are 100% people who do exactly this, they live on Sigmarxism and Bluesky, theres also a few of them on X.

Also Imperium are the good guys actually

Last thing, what the hell is this new captcha system?

>>97888514
reddit-kun...

>>97888158
Well, I'm not really sure what the point of including the book in a discussion about the movies is when they're different timelines. You can certainly compare it with the movies but and I think reading it gives you a deeper understanding of what Verhoeven and Ed Neumeier changed but its not the same thing.

And yeah psychics existed before the war but you can still see how they parallel the brain bugs and how Carl and Rico become more focused on the war as the movie goes on. I guess you could say that the federation's statist government is putting them on that path before the movie begins. I mean they give out guns to kids in the park and stuff.

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>>97888974
>I'm not really sure what the point of including the book in a discussion about the movies
Classifying them as "different timelines" is generous. Verhoeven very clearly had zero respect for the author and source material. It's like putting Star Wars next to Lego Star Wars. Lego Star Wars can be enjoyed on its own but it will never be Star Wars.
>you can still see how they parallel the brain bugs
And the human soldiers are encased in armored exoskeletons, like a bug, and this theme stretches all the way back to the legendary soldiers that followed Achilles named after ants. This parallel being lost in translation between novel and movie presumably because having every character encased in a power suit kinda defeats the point of having live actors.

That's the curse of the film: It's a pretty damn decently constructed movie, but the original author's concept was intentionally infantilized out of spite. Now we've got a whole generation of mouthbreathing retards that have convinced themselves that Heinlein, a man who ran for public office as a Democrat in California, was a "fascist."

>>97885197
but it does.

>>97890427
Half of the setting is imperial traitors or cultists

>>97890451
Not to mention that the Emperor practically gift wrapped the majority of Chaos's military power for them.

>>97889791
The funniest thing about the whole Starship Troopers "media literacy" debate will always be the fact that Verhoeven, *by his own admission*, never actually read the book but decided regardless that it was "fascist" because fascism is when military.
The movie is literal fanfiction, produced by a guy with zero media literacy of the original work.

>>97878152
Okay, well, Genghis Khan probably fucked your great great great great great great-grandmother or some shit, or you probably had a Nazi relative or some colonizing rapist in your bloodline. But your logic. You should just kill yourself now.

Also side note, most of the craft worlds are composed of Eldar that left before the birth of Slaanesh. They are literally the Eldar least responsible for creating a Chaos God outside of the Exodites (who also get slaughtered on sight by Imperials despite living as isolationists on pre-industrial worlds.)

Well this was quite a thread
>the imperium is/isn't fascist and this is why it's a good thing
>my decaying faction is better
>don'tyouknow [retarded fake fan lore]
>starship tro- slopdivers 2 reply chain
I'm surprised no-one claimed the imperium is communist.

>>97890556
>or you probably had a Nazi relative or some colonizing rapist in your bloodline. But your logic. You should just kill yourself now.
Anon you seem to be adopting a reddit talking point from 2014 and projecting an argument that didn't exist.
There isn't much you can do to defend the Eldar. Their fluff is pretty schizophrenic anyway, just look at their corsairs, and they don't really play nicely with the tabletop because a single eldar dying is supposed to be a calamity yet mechanically they die in droves especially when tabled.

>>97890890
Come now, we both know that much like in warhammer fantasy there are always enough elves/eldar to be slaughtered that it will be an irreparable loss they'll never recover from, until they get slaughtered the next time around, of course.

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I have no idea how you can cry about the craftworld eldars' collective racial guilt for an event that none of them participated in and none of their ancestors participated in while still claiming the imperium is le good. Come on.

>>97891141
>while still claiming the imperium is le good
Imperiumfags just seething that someone is morally, biologically, and simply better than their larp object. And they have no other argumets but le slaanesh and le my faction beat your in yaoi fantasy book

>>97884666
There are vivid, multi-page scenes in multiple books where servitorization is done to completely normal people because the Forge World has a surplus of flesh that can be turned into more useful forms.

>>97888974
>but you can still see how they parallel the brain bugs
>Go bug mom Cyrano
Again, it was a thing before the war.

>>97890890
>I'm surprised no-one claimed the imperium is communist.
Pretty sure the Genestealer Cults are the ones that have the best claim to communism, but technically they are part of the Imperium right up until the moment that they're not.

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>>97890532
>The movie is literal fanfiction, produced by a guy with zero media literacy of the original work.
Reminder that the media literacy people also refuse to acknowledge that you can interpret satire however you wish, despite the satirist intentionally misportraying the original work.

>>97890427
>>97890451
Those are traitors and servents of chaos, it's the 'evil is objectively real' part that's below.

>>97890451
you have to be low iq. Reminds me of anarchist faggots that think post apocalypse settings are proof of their politics because government failed.
Rather than showing what happens when you have no government

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>>97890451
That's kinda putting the cart before the horse. The last even mildly tolerant government to exist in the setting was the Interex and Horus curbstomped them with his methods. That's what Chaos does: It preys on tolerance, sympathy, and restraint. All of these things are weaknesses to be exploited, and anyone that practices them will be fucked in five new orifices until they die.

If anything the Imperium is more tolerant than it probably should be, which is why Genestealer hybrids manage to get by in the underhives, guilds, and such places. It's too big to micromanage every genetic mutation or police baldness as a sign of xeno taint, which is saying something because even Brood Brothers can have rather radical mutations despite the fact they're just germ-seed infectees.

>>97890451
you remind me of retarded anarchists faggots that think post apoc fiction is proof of their politics because government failed. Rather than it being because there is no government.

>>97893446
its not the the Imperium is tolerant its because it vast and the realistic depiction of time between planets. Practically impossible to monitor every community in the Imperium. A planet can be fine last the Imperium checked and then in a hundred years they check again and theres an xenos/chaos uprising.

>>97890532
I'm utterly convinced that someone on the writing team was forced to read the book for him and basically ran rings around him during production to make the movie far more true to the heart of the book than intended.
It's the only way to explain how it turned out as it did.

>>97893481
GSC materials mention that the xeno-tainted often get by even when the planetary government is aware they're mutants, often because they exceed quotas. They're also not super subtle with their bizarre offshoots of the Imperial Cult, going on about "Four-Armed Emperor" and "Star Children" and crazy shit like that. Even on Necromunda, where the authorities are very aware of Genestealer presence, entire gangs of them rove around largely unmolested.

The ambient level of anti-mutant sentiment sits somewhere above "KILL ALL MUTIES" in many cases even if that mindset also exists in various places from time to time, even when the greater Imperium classifies some strains of abhuman as undesirables. Arguably xeno cults would get by fine if they didn't pop out actual xenos monsters ever five generations. Indeed, the Malstrain survives quite well with that trait of Purestrains more and more absent the further they get from Secundus.

>>97876272
No.

>>97893611
thats a abit of humour in the setting, people are largely ignorant of the cults purpose.
The Tau also fell for that, the four armed greater good cult.

Genestealers being able to pass off as almost normal goes way back. They are just seen as fugly humans until the xenos appearance really manifests.
The Imperium is actually quote accepting of abhumans. Mutants usually means chaos mutant. A xenos hybrid is something completely unexpected

>>97893611
I wonder how long Genestealers would have to exist alongside humanity without being connected to the hivemind for their self-directing infiltration instincts to come to the logical conclusion that working your way into the noble houses, integrating fully with human society and getting tithes is basically the same end result as bloody conquest, but more long term since you can do repeated harvests.
What I'm saying is, could Tyranids be domesticated

>>97893611
I wonder how long Genestealers would have to exist alongside humanity without being connected to the hivemind for their self-directing infiltration instincts to come to the logical conclusion that working your way into the noble houses, integrating fully with human society and getting tithes is basically the same end result as bloody conquest, but more long term since you can do repeated harvests.
What I'm saying is, could Tyranids be domesticated like wolves were, but with a 9-5 instead of scraps

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>>97893628

>Radical inquisitor locates a genestealer cult predicted to be absorbed into a hive fleet soon
>injects it with a dormant bioweapon
>fleet absorbs the cult
>the hive fleet gets ravaged and destroyed by a virulent bioweapon.

>>97893628
if you cut off nids from synapse nids they just become animals
its probably possible with technology

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>>97893622
>The Tau also fell for that, the four armed greater good cult.
Funny thing, that, especially since a world that fell to Genestealer taint was just mysteriously cleared of suspicion by an Ethereal sent to deal with the problem. Very peculiar, especially since their planetary colors are identical to Hive Fleet Tiamet. I still vainly hope that GW will give us Gue'vasa or even Tau models for Genestealer Cults and rules to match, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
>>97893628
Until their fifth generation of off-spring, which births new Purestrain Genestealers the oldest of which would become a new Patriarch. There's some dispute as to where a Brood Mind ends and the Hive Mind begins, but the metamorphosis of the oldest available Genestealer into a Patriarch never seems to be in question.
>What I'm saying is, could Tyranids be domesticated
Oddly enough the Malstrain itself may be some twisted kind of domestication on the part of the Magos Biologis that experimented on their Patriarch. It is highly atypical and might even be more of a psychic presence than an actual physical being since nobody has seen it in centuries. It also either made a replica of or outright resurrected that Magos. He's a named character for them, and even got his own model now.

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>>97893642
May or may not work, since the Hive Mind can allegedly tell when there's something wrong with, or undesirable about, certain Genestealers. Ymgarl Genestealers never get consumed even when present on a world. At least one of the Necromunda books postulates that the Hive Mind is actively repelled away from the planet by the Malstrain Patriarch's psychic beacon because there is something deeply wrong with it.

>>97893638
My bad, I meant to quote you here too: >>97893651

>>97893651
>Mankind discovers that Malstealers keep away the 'nids
>Declare them abhumans
>Tithe them into the guards as specialist extermination units
Some 4 armed dude 100 years down the line: None purer!

>>97891141
what lol, are we talking about birth of Slannesh? because theres Eldar that were around then still around and are utterly unrepentant about what they did. The Eldar are a very long lived race they live as long as space marines and even longer.
The Imperium whips itself constantly over the Horus Heresy. The Eldar dont give a shit about anything they did in their hubris,

>>97893659
cross Culexus with malstrain genestealers and created the ultimate weapon against chaos and nids

>>97893659
That very thought process might have been what drove Hermiatus to do what he did. In the process of studying a genestealer he ended up resorting to a cybernetic interface that allowed him to communicate directly with its mind. He initiated the link and within moments simply reached up and disengaged the xeno's restraints. It infected or massacred his entire staff and ended up overruning the entire hive city. Some sources say that the Malstrain were made what they are by the gravity anomalies and radiation after the bombardment that destroyed the city, but an Inquisitor saw that they were different and named them Malstrain before that happened which leaves it open to interpretation.

>>97893679
>cross Culexus with malstrain genestealers and created the ultimate weapon against chaos and nids
You want Legienstrasse?
Because that's how you get Legienstrasse!

>>97893422
>>97893436
>>97893446
>>97893479
The imperium is by far the worst faction in 40k when it comes to subversion and traitors. "But it would be worse if they weren't authoritarian!!!" is fucking retarded. None of the other factions are even 1% as bad as the Imperium. The fact that the brutal authoritarianism of the Imperium directly feeds chaos and other forces is explicitly spelled out over and over in the lore.
>He lifted his hand up to encompass three worlds. ‘These planets were hells. For generations we have recruited the strong over the weak, in the belief it makes our warriors better. I do not think this is so. Cruel men make cruel warriors make cruel lords. We need to be better. We need to rise over the need for violence and recognise other human qualities in our recruits. Your Chapter has ever understood this. If we do not, then we will fall prey to our worst excesses, the kind of thing that that represents.’
>He pointed at Ka’Bandha’s name. ‘It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?’

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>>97893969
>None of the other factions are even 1% as bad as the Imperium
Anon pls

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>>97888108
you're jewish tho