>>97879068
Am I the only one who think the Iron Warriors are kinda Russian? I mean, the focus on artillery, the stubborn mind set, and the fact that they don’t care about casualties much and keep on fighting, feel strangely Russian

>>97879068
There was a debate?

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>>97879138
Night lords are russians as they are all criminals who likes to kill and torture each other for fun. They inflict needless suffering on themselves just as much as they inflict it on others.

>>97879186
Nah. They are Israelites

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>>97879138
I'd say they're more WWI British but it's kind of a stretch.
>>97879186
Seethe
>>97879192
>Foreskin harvesters

>>97879192
Nah jews do not have NL aura at all. They fit WB better especially the talmud super pizza jews.

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>TQ
I am pretty sure terminator armor made you functionally invulnerable to 99% of the "threats" the legiones astartes would face throughout the great crusade. I hate to do it but i'll quote BLslop here, 63rd took the whisperheads without a single casualty because Termies could ignore heavy gun emplacements like they could ignore a gale wind.
I believe those assigned terminator armor in the late Crusade era were probably tremendously honored.

>>97879192
Yods are genestealers, some other anon post the adl kvetching about the similarities

>>97879503
That’s…actually fit. The kites are correct for once. Even they know who they are huh

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As someone with a large pile of shame, my only suggestion if the damage has already been done is to get organized.
If it hasn't, consider what you actually need to buy as opposed to what you want to buy.

>>97879557
damn...

>>97879068
>TQ
Just a tool, being part of legion specific troops is what is (usually) considered an honor.

>>97879557
Good lord

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From last night’s game

>>97879693
Did u win, son?

>>97879693
You the DG or the (shamefully) unpainted Mechanicum?

>>97879068
>TQ
Depends on Legion culture. For Sons of Horus it was the greatest honor because Justaerians were the tip of the spear in every major engagement. In World Eaters, Angron had zero respect for them and used them as cannon fodder. In Raven Guard, Corax used them as a political tool to appease his Terran veterans with the honor of being Terminator elite but he also barely used them, because he disliked them.

>>97879707
>>97879751
Just spectating, ended in a draw after seven hours. Think it was around 3.500 points.

>>97879557
I kneel .

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/legio-custodes-custodian-guard-sodality-2026
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/legio-custodes-sentinel-guard-sodality-2026
Noticed something interesting, there is not a single picture of the custodes with the female heads nor any mention of female custodes.
If you just looked at the units on the webstore you would think they were still all male.
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/legio-custodes-shield-captain-2026
Even with the shield captain, who only has a female head, they decided to put the helmeted head in the preview image on the webstore, and nowhere in the product description does it mention it being a female model.
Has to be intentional lol

>>97879557
What army, chief?

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>>97879935
Having the CG model on the box might have worked for other factions, but for Custodes it makes them look like something out of Reboot or Beast Wars.

>>97879935
Trying to hide their perfidy.

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>>97879138
You're definitely not the first to make the connection, but I agree with >>97879186
, the Night Lords are a better fit. Russians are not about ruthless efficiency, they sacrifice efficiency for the sake of cruelty and control. Russians aren't ignoring civilian collateral damage, they actively seek it out to send a message that fighting back isn't worth it. That's not IW, that's NL.

>>97879983
NL's definitely use rape as a corrective technique.

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>>97879935
they are backtracking look at the custodes youtube video dislike rate

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>>97879956
All of them.

>>97879557
mentall illness

>>97880052
> Such a GWhore he bought TWO skaventide
Yikes

>>97880052
for what purpose? you must be a bachelor

>>97880052
You got a problem dude, what the hell.

>>97880052
Nta but that's a bunch of plastic, not an army.

>>97879557
>>97880052
Okay cool but this could have gone in any other GW thread, HH is slow enough without this distracting attention whoring.

>>97880073
yes it's like a woman with lots of cats

>>97880052
I am 88% sure this is a /40kg/ regular.

>>97880088
It did make me feel better about my own pile of shame, it's basically non-existent in comparison lmao

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did anyone buy the new 40k iron warriors plastic upgrades? I'm curious how the size of the heads compare to the nu-marks

>>97880134
the other CSM heads have been regular size not small

>>97880088
You are not the thread police, go fuck yourself faggot

>>97880143
He's right tho

>>97880134
Perfect heads for a Cyborg George Floyd

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>>97880134
>make up yet another new elbow pad design
>both arms in the kid are same handed, so you can't even make a character with them have the same elbow pad on both arms
To me the biggest fiasco in the HH revamp has been the arms. Not only did arms on different marks get made more generic across the board, but any upgrade arm is of yet another generic design.

>>97880134
If they're the same as CSM, a bit bigger than the current HH heads, and about the same size as the older ones

>>97880178
All the wrists also have these weird, uncomfortable looking angles to them, anybody else notice this? I'm using the disintegrator rifles on old marines so I just cut them off, but it's such a weird change from all the old weapons.

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>>97879138
Iron Warriors are efficient, reliant and they get the job done. It's complete opposite to Russians.

>>97879186
Thematically Night Lords and Curze are more like the original vampire - Vlad Tepes, Vlad the Impaler. So that makes them Romanian. Control through cruelty etc.
It's pretty cool that they are often fighting against Blood Angels, who represent the more modern version of vampires - beautiful but hiding a dark secret.

>>97879935
Same with the Venatari unless the bald niggas are actually women

>>97879935
Also can't spot any of the boob-plate being used. With the time between development and release date, it might very well be possible these were made long before the femstodes backlash.

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Wish they'd make an SA Land Raider the same way they made an SA Rhino with the Aurox. Just a very riveted LR design with boxy sponsons and all that.

>>97880052
sell me some of dem age of darkness boxes

>>97880264
Out of all those kits the Venatari seem to have no female heads.
The choices they made have been strange, with the shield captain only having a female bare head.

>>97879138
Iron Warriors actually capture stuff tho, they don't just feed themselves into meat grinders trying to capture open fields while constantly losing ground in towns and cities

>>97880143
oi m8 u gotta loicense for all them gray plastic?

>>97880341
Same but with the macharius variants, having 30k-era versions aesthetically taking cues from the aurox and carnodon would be great. I'd love a 30k praetor(pun intended).

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>>97880438
There is the prototype for the MkIII Phobos.

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>>97880447
Only photo I've found of it with sponsons.

Haven't been back here for months.
Was it always this dead?

>>97880341
I mean...

the aurox and rhino aren't even the same shape, they just fill the same role at about the same size, so for the modern (light) Transport slots the Aurox makes sense

but there's already a heavy transport, the Dracosan, with double the transcap of a LR and a big fuckin gun on the front and a flare shield for well under the cost of a LR, so there's no real niche for a LR-equivalent, and the Aurox is already a worse version of the Rhino on all counts (other than Rapid, which is fairly inexplicable)

plus visual distinctiveness matters, otherwise you're 40k custodes bringing "venerable" SM tanks because nobody playing the churn game is going to invest in a $400 brick of resin with rules from a pdf, even if the pdf is on the GW site and says it's all official

but what do you base the "SALR" on if not the LR? the Russ is too small to reasonably upscale, the Dracosan already exists, the Chimera doesn't exist yet (even the basilisk is based on a Russ chassis)

personally I think it'd be funny if 40k versions of things the Adeptus Astartes use exclusively were 30k Army equipment repurposed, but I pitched shark assault boat/SW woflcopter a month ago and you guys bitched so there's clearly no appetite for that, which rules out the even funnier 30k Army LR becoming 40k venereal custard LR

>>97880466
/hhg/ has always been a slower, more comfy thread. There's only a lot of posts when tourists, retards, or trolls are posting stupid shit.

>>97880468
Dracosan isn't an assault vehicle, the land raider is.

>>97879138
>>97879983
I love how in some of the audiobooks the readers always give the NLs semi russian sounding accents, thats how I think of them now.

>>97879557
>>97880052
Are you me? I got a similar stack right now, and back around 15ish years ago, me and my dad were HUGE whales for Forge World and semi huge for GW. FW had us on a first name VIP basis at games day. Ive been spening the last 3+ months getting ALL of ours old FW/GW shit out of our old dilapidated and collapsing house where its just been sitting and rotting in piles of garbage and rat shit/piss. Ive probably made like 30k+ on selling just old FW shit the last few months while reinvesting it into newer FW/GW shit and recasts. I pulled 3 warhounds, a reaver and 3 arkurian baneblades out of a trash pile. Its sad but also really fun as we have/had so much shit I didnt even remember getting a lot of it.

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>>97880397
are the AoD boxes rare nowadays? I used to always see them at my LGS

>>97880052
why did you buy all this crap? do you have at least multiple armies painted to show that you can actually manage painting and storing this many figs? Are you reselling them or running a store or something?

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How does painting beakies compare to mk3? I like the black trim IF have but painting it on the mk3 was horrible.

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>>97880468
>there's no real niche
What's the niche for a 3rd Whirlwind or 15th dreadnought variant?
>the aurox and rhino aren't even the same shape, they just fill the same role at about the same size
With rear ramp and side doors. Even in the fluff it's said to lift its design from the Rhino to fill a similar role.
>but there's already a heavy transport, the Dracosan
But there's no assault transports.
>visual distinctiveness
Fuck James and fuck Paul Marketing. I'm tired of this "no sharing between armies" bullshit. Rhinos, Predators, Land Raiders, etc. existed before Marines were a thing. We know they were used by non-Marines. So, they make an army of dudes who are second only to Space Marines, but they're only allowed to have stuff lowly PDF get? As smart as making an army that's all about void combat and boarding action, but you give them long rifles they can't use well on the move and only an armed cargo hauler, rather than even simple dreadclaws that we know were used by the Imperial Navy.
>otherwise you're 40k custodes bringing "venerable" SM tanks
Yeah, God forbid Custodes used something other than complete ass pulls for a change...
>Chimera doesn't exist yet
Legion Basilisk use the chassis and we had other Chimera hull vehicles as well as Chimeras in HH before someone decided to make rules for the setting.

>>97880520
MkVI is very easy, particularly with an airbrush. The only awkward bits are the "straps" and cables on the torso, and the armour joints

>>97880529
>Anti-heavy infantry whirlwind
>Anti-air missiles whirlwind
>Anti-light infantry hordes whirlwind

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>>97880562
Aka. "a whirlwind".

>>97880595
>2.0

>>97880613
>3.0 cannot have multiple missile types in a launcher, you must buy separate vehicles for each munitions type
This edition just keeps getting shittier.

>>97880617
There's no way a tank can store enough missiles for three different roles to last an entire engagement, when it already has to reload several times when using one single type of ammunition. Never mind crew having to get out of the tank, take out one type of missile, load in a different type of missile to switch between munition types. Not to mention there being such a thing as not all missiles being compatible with every launcher type. HH is suppose to be more realistic, not gamey 40k bullshit where all weapons magically have every possible type of ammunition in abundance between which they can swap around at will in less than a second.

It's another example of 2.0 being an absolute joke of an edition.

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my lernaens currently have thunder hammers (3 squads of 5)
however i'm 45pts over 3k

should I downgrade 2 squads of them to single lightning claws (sergeant still has a hammer and a TH cataphractii herald is attached to both squads) and drop a 5pt upgrade elsewhere?

or should I take 2 nucio-voxes off of my 2 5 man seeker squads, 2 pintle mounted multi-lasers on allied russes, and a 5pt upgrade elsewhere?

i'm thinking the latter, but lernaens armed with a lightning claw will look fucking baller

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sunday funday!

>>97880651
I'd do the latter. Nuncio vox on a 5 man unit with tactical marine defensive stats is a complete and utter waste lmao, they're gonna be dead before any status effect can be applied.

Not highlighted the eyes or the guns yet, but fairly happy with how this squad is coming out so far

>>97880651
>>97880661
do the claws and swap the voxes for augury scanners if there's anything local that likes to use Shrouded

otherwise drop them too and spend the points on something nice for yourself, as a treat

>>97880617
you want to go back to RT and 2E and have 5+ kinds of missile in every missile launcher?

>>97880480
that's not really relevant given you can still charge out of it and the SA aren't supposed to be elite assault troops

>>97880529
>Legion Basilisk

the kit they haven't sold for five years? the thing that's been Legacies for two editions

perhaps you'd like special rules for your Brother Bethor model again too

>With rear ramp and side doors.

Yeah I mean the Taurox has those so I guess be careful what you wish for...

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>>97880744
Nevermind.

>>97880411
Venatari reeks of designed before female custodes existed

>>97879068
It was just a tool at the time, it did not recive honors until 40k due to them being so rare and hard to make.

In 30k and the greade crusade the armor that was a badge of honor was artificer armor, because that was hand crafted armor typically with far better mobility and protection, and that would include both terminator and regular power armor.

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>>97880341
MK2B CHADS RISE UP!

>>97880261
>Iron Warriors are efficient
Hey remember when Pert killed his sister after she correctly pointed out to him that everything he does is done in the most arduous manner possible to inflate his farcical martyr complex?

>>97880744
Looking good!

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>>97879068
I posted late in the last thread but behold my Storm eagle.
This model sucks to build fuck it.

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>>97880844
Taken some individual shots because my camera just isn't showing what they look like properly

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>>97880929
>based

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>>97880933

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>>97880941
I'll stop spamming now

>>97880949
>>97880941
>>97880933
What a handsome group of young men.

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>>97880804
None of those anons but sure, I wouldn't mind seeing vortex, tanglefoot, mines, hallucinogen, anti-plant and scatter missiles or whatever they come up with.

>>97880847
No wonder, they look better than the rest.

>>97880844
SoH seems very difficult to get right.

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>>97880529
>15th dreadnought variant
I don't go to the shoe store and kinkshame your fetish.

>>97881059
man it would be nice to get those RT era dreads something between a saturnite terminator and a casterferrum. Maybe with jump packs. All angry with a claw/fist and a gravis mult melta.

>>97880134
If its anything like the NL/Nemesis Claw ones then they should fit fine. Maybe a little bit bigger but entirely interchangeable. The CSM parts in general are pretty close in scope (having had to cannibalize a squad for bolt pistols)

>Three 10 man veteran tactical squads with disintegrator rifles
>One 10 man veteran hss with disintegrator blasters
>One 10 man veteran hss with heavy disintegrators
>One 10 man praetorian command squad with jump packs with disintegrator rifles
>10 indomitus terminators with 8 combi-disintegrators
I man have gone a little overboard with disintegrator weapons.

>>97881168
Better be dark angels and have 80 inductii with volkite chargers for true terran technological supremacy

>>97881185
A 20 man volkite charger inductii squad is indeed the next thing I'm building

>fourth monthly campaign day canceled in a row bc 2 people called out
I think I'm just going to call it

>>97881055
Ouch?

>>97880844
Those are sick anon, gg. Where did you source the shoulders and helms from?

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>>97881200
based and iductii pilled

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working on my MK3 rapier crew

takes time, but I love the result
if anyone wants to know how I did it just ask

>>97881284
I like the marine eating a cyber-sandwich

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Finished a tactical squad :')

>>97880261
>IW are efficient
Iron warriors are strictly catalogued as having the highest casualties proportionally to their actual expeditionary force among all 18 legions. pissfisters are magnitudes more efficient

>>97881409
Very cute emos

>>97881435
They're Iron Hands, not Raven Guard >:( But I guess they're angry emos so

>>97880949
>>97880941
>>97880933
They look great, love the weathering. Are you by any chance a nail biter

>>97880634
Tell me anon, how does the Sicarian Arcus work in the current edition and how it did in the previous one? Just in case you were wondering how retarded you and your argument are.

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>>97880261

>>97881284
legion??

>>97881463
What gave it away?

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>>97880881
It's not the 2B, it's the updated Epic LR that the Mk2B was based upon (the same way Proteus is based upon the RT LR). The sponson design is a little different, there's no fenders or headlights at the front, etc.

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>>97880634
We can load multiple munitions types in real life too, retard.

>>97881556
will be AL

>>97880824
>legacies aren't canon
Good to know.

>>97881611
SOVL

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>first GW plastic mechanicum model after mainly printing
>see this shit
It’s a fucking side sponson why does it need almost 20 pieces

>>97881764
Good. More details & freedom. Git gud.

>>97881764
Because we deserve to suffer

>>97881764
So that assembling it feels like you spend your money on something worth the price.

>>97881764
welcome to nu-gw kits

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>>97881823
>saturnine dread foot has as many bits as a fully kitted marine

>>97881867
look, anon. we have to fill up sprues somehow to try and justify year on year price increases ad infinitum, ok??? don't be a fucking antisemite

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>MK3 iron hands
Should I cut off the helmet spikes? I'm not a fan of the spike on the iron hands colour scheme, but the helmet itself looks kinda boring then?

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>>97881900
Replace them with coils from the Admech electro-priest kit.

>>97881887
>>97881808
You're free to buy 40gay kits, if HH ones are too complex for you. GW doesn't give a fuck about the amount of plastic, as can be seen with various modern kits with barely any parts or sprues in them.

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>>97881900
>Should I cut off the helmet spikes?
summon the nerve and rabbi it up, absolutely. the pickelhaubes are really goofy embellishment in my eyes
i'm a big fan of neuemk.3 helmets so unadorned. dunno what to tell you if you don't find them pretty badass at base. they're roundly thuggish motherfuckers down to even the bolters

>>97881867
Because the kit is good

>>97881764
>Another hobbylet gatekept
GW is so based for that.

>>97881913
Leave the butt plugs for the EC.

>>97881519
>Missile launcher system explicitly build to be able to switch between warhead types according to the lore has multiple ammunition types it can switch between
Wow anon, you really got him there.

>>97882029
>no, you can't have multiple missiles in a launcher, that doesn't make sense
>yes, of course you can have multiple missiles in a launcher, the fluff says so
wew

>>97881900
my only problem with cutting off the helmet spike with the numk3 is that the spike distracts from how much the helmets look like baseball caps with those dumb visor lips.

>>97882050
There's no such lore about the whirlwind, scorpius, and hyperios missile launcher systems. If anything it's the opposite, for those there are only mentions of them being reloaded by hand and it being a somewhat of a hassle.
The arcus launcher lore specifically mentioning it is build to be able to switch between warheads means that it is not a standard feature of Imperial tech. It is the exception that proves the rule.

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>>97875382
LGS somehow still had the old liber and holy shit what is this difference in quality? Running all my games in 2.0 from now on.

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>>97881764
I'm building some Thallax at the moment.
My finger tips are getting filed raw trying to clean up all the small bits.

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need this WB

>>97882089
>There's no such lore about the whirlwind
Several editions, even in HH, mention the Whirlwinds capability of firing multiple different munitions types. Have you tried reading the books instead of being wrong all the time?

>>97882131
Is this a joke? They're the same picture.

>>97882175
Firing is not the same as switching between during combat, ESL-kun.

>>97882189
I guess the rules writers that gave whirlwinds the ability to fire multiple munitions didn't get the memo.

>>97882212
GW's rules writers do have a track record of being rather retarded indeed.

>>97882239
Whatever helps you defend having a separate whirlwind kit for each target type, rather than being able to load different missiles into the same launcher.

>>97881900
only your sergeant will get a spike so might as well keep it for decoration

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>>97882278
I'm thinking of chopping the plume off of my sergeant since Betrayal mentions the DG prefer to let their battle damage/weathering speak to their veterancy rather than any decorative marks. I really love the way it looks but it feels a little too ornamental for my legion

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>>97882350

>>97882350
Veteran status is not always synonymous with officer rank

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Get your proper Steel Hand of Mars scan. You have three days.
Make sure you try the Relic Hunt missions, you might enjoy them:
litter.catbox.moe/ln4bh8125gpm7ois.pdf

>>97882408
True, but officer rank correlates pretty strongly with senority and experience especially in a legion with command structure as rigid as the XIV. I guess there are probably some more green officers than you might expect due to the higher attrition rate the DG suffered, though.

>>97880178
I live near maryland so I am actually excited that GW world is opening in DC in 18 months.

>>97880510
it's been 2 years. Did he ever make a channel or what? Fuckin 15,000 on warhammer and he was buying direct from GW, imagine if he went for discounts.

>>97880099
I don't have as many unopened boxes as him but the ones I do have make me happy even if I should either build them or sell them kek. Just knowing I can pop them open and build an army any time makes me feel a little joyous.

so will they shit out Dark Mechanicus/Traitor Mars before 40k can release their own version of Dark Mechanicus?

I would imagine 30k would be like those spindle spidery drones they released, while 40k would tend more heavily towards "it's a tank but it has flesh bits and legs".

>>97882662
If the latest chaos mech models are anything to go by, 40k DarkMech would look like fleshy turds with random mechanical bits stuck to them.

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>>97882657
let me buy one of those Age of Darkness boxes.

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>>97882675
FLESHY

>>97880052
I would buy those Warcry boxes off of you m8.

Tell me anon - what are your favourite units to field? Which are your least favourite units to field in your own army?

>>97882806
if you mean "things that perform well and do cool things"?
>favorite
Kratos
>least favorite
Terror squad, Contekar, Tactical veterans.

>>97882806
Kalliope mortars and autocannon teams

>>97882350
That's just rank. Damn swords look cool. I wish swords were useful and Tacticals sergeants could duel lol

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>>97882806
>favourite
Castraferrum dreadnoughts.
>least favourite
None. Don't use units I don't like.

>>97881417
I think both things can be true: IW get both the highest casualties and the highest K/D ratio when controlled for the foe.
Problem is, they were routinely sent to fight some of the most difficult foes out there, like Hrud.

>>97880634
This is your mind in 10E 40k fumes

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Oiled this up today

Gimme SA Russes with sponsons

>>97882868
>Oil me up daddy

>>97882806
>your favourite units
Domitars, Thanatars, Gal Vorbak, Ashen Circle, Grave Wardens, Gorgons
>Least favorite units
All jetbikes, Inner Circle Knights, Templars, everything space wolves, Atramentar Flay Clades, Khenetai, Justaerin, Firedrakes

>>97882864
True, i'm just being uncharitable because IW slander is fun and while I do like the legion I think they're overrated

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What the fuck is this price? 82 dollars for six infantry models? This is absolutely ridiculous pricing.

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>>97883041
Poorfags are not welcome in HH. Never have been.

>>97882806
>favourite
despoilers, rampagers, fellblade
>least favourite
rhinos, red butchers

>>97883041
Better than $82 for three, which is how the resin ones were priced.

There's a reason that these are the only pre-order that sold out. Femstodes will prove to be a costly mistake for GW.

>>97882999
Yeah. One ends up thinking in fanfiction when trying to make things make sense or at the very least not be retarded.

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>>97883045
>paypiggy levels today

>>97883139
I miss the days when FW resin models were the only option available. It kept sub-human faggots like you out.

>>97883155
I miss the days when FW resin models were hand sculpted by artists we knew. The real sub-human faggotry is defending today's overpriced plastic.

>>97883155
Trying too hard

Fellas, is a list of 40 T5+ 3W models too much?

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>>97883185

>>97883041
Get them from ebay/amazon/anywhere else. GW wants like 200 for their knights and bigger tanks and theyre always like 140-160 on ebay.

We used to have a local model store that always sold WH shit for 20-25% of suggested retail, it was literally keeping them in business for YEARS, and since there was only 3 GW stores in my entire state at the time (michigan), it would cause people to flock to the local store to buy their shit and then go to the GW stores to build/paint/play it for free. GW got pissed about this and opened a shitty little hole in the wall GW store in an absolute dogshit area just to pull customers away from the local store. Once the local store finally collapsed and shut down because of it, they closed down the local GW store. That was when I started to realize how SHITTY GW was/is as a company.

>>97883277
absolutely obscene that goycattle will let such a monument go under for such a marginal and temporary sense of convenience

>>97883041
Seems to be the current standard for elite infantry for 30k on 40mm bases. The Custodian 40k kits aren't really any better if not worse, meanwhile Sisters are still overpriced kits bought in fucking FIVES with numerous sets of otherwise wasted weapons.

>>97883277
man, i wish stores here sold shit with discounts. Here the few official stores we have, sell stuff at GW price plus an extra 40%, a brand new Rhino cost 80 usd and it is cheaper compared to 3rd party places or importing it myself.

>>97881914
40k kits are just as shit and poorly engineered. the entire FW karacnos was probably less parts than that one sponson and might be more detailed.

>>97882806
Favorite is dreadnoughts
Least favorite is basic infantry
>>97882816

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slooowly shaping up, starting to see the light at the end of blocking in everything basal
can hardly wait to really bring it to life in going through all the transfers and pockmarking and weathering and such

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tried porting saturnine to 1e since that's what my group plays
none of them had any objections but I wanted to check with you retards too

>>97883600
It's been a long time but aren't these going to be OP as shit? They're basically gal vorbak but with a 2+/4++ and all cam take power fists, and base gal vorbak were already mean in 1.0. WS4 isn't even s real detriment because they still hit on 4s.

>>97883600
>disruption fists as x2 strength
>plasma bombards AP2
>disintigrator armorbane
You just dont understand how these units work huh?

>>97883600
i feel like they should be more expensive

>>97883600
>2w terminators (immune to conventional instant death) in 1e
>weapon roles all sorts of fucked (plasma bombard does everything, particle shredder useless)
>saturnine fist turned into just "super power fist"
>not any slower than normal terminators
Yup, its homebrew slop time!

Saturnines as a unit balance incredibly powerful defense with very specialized and limited weapons and incredibly low speed (meaning they either need a saturnine praetor or a spartan to get around anywhere). This keeps them balanced.

You have the plasma bombard, which is safe and effective against massed infantry but otherwise fairly low impact. The disintigrator which is very potent into elite infantry and dreads but comes with the risk of horrible self murdering, and the particle shredder, which is arguably their strongest gun but requires getting up close with a unit that is (outside the C squad variant) bad at close combat and very very slow. And you threw it all away for two flavors of S7 Ap2 and a now useless shredder.

Their weakness in melee? Gone. They can now happily punch tanks and whatever else to death.

>>97881417
It's wild if you can have more casualties than the literal retards the World Eaters, who fight retarded by choice.

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>>97880917
I remember.

>>97883600
>cuckstodes for 40 points that shoot plasma cannons and have a better invuln
I think I would rather fuck a cactus than play against this.

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Almost done with my first squad lads, im really enjoying painting. Got a lot of progress done this weekend;
Just gotta get the brass trim and weapons, minor details and of course mandatory conspicuous battle damage and weathering. I wonder what to work on next, Im shooting for a 1500 point army first, roughly 50% troops(breachers and despoilers after this tacsquad), 50% terminators including a praetor (+ his retinue) and centurion in cataphractii armor

>>97883600
oops it's supposed to be 3 guys, not 4

>>97883624
gal vorbak also have 5 attacks, ws5, high initiative and built in fear

>>97883687
>doesn't know how 1e rules work
>still comments

>>97883728
maybe, they cost twice the price of GV and more than firedrakes

>>97883755
>make infantry that doesn't instantly die to a pieplate
>this is somehow a bad thing
>the sidearm weapon is worse than the main gun and now serves as overwatch deterrent
>this is somehow a bad thing
>try to translate the slightly better power fist from 3e
>this is somehow a bad thing
>everything in 1e goes the same speed

>>97883783
>hits last
>has an overkill powerfist that is not better into marines than a powerfist
>is actually good into the broken factions in 1e (mech, daemons and custodes)

asking you retards was a mistake

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>>97883687
yes, disintegrators had armourbane
yes, plasma was always ap2

>>97883792
cut your teeth on a dreadnought and/or tank when you want to change things up pretty drastically beyond doing just infantry duders
but marines are definitely a good starting point for working up everything else and informing where you'll want to take lorger shit

>>97883802
>>is actually good into the broken factions in 1e (mech, daemons and custodes)
You say this and in the same breath say this bullshit isn't overtuned. This unit has the same problems as custodes. And it's not the melee profile like you seem to think its the fact that they've got insane lethality in any form and they have no weaknesses.

>>97883849
Oh for sure, once i hit that 1500 point milestone i want a dreadnought and some rapier batteries among other armor to shoot for 3000. I wanna really lean into the slow, heavy, oppressive advance feel with these guys in DG fashion

>>97883873
the disintegrator and fist are not truly better into 90% of the space marine than a melta or normal power fist
they do do well into monstrous creatures, something marines otherwise do not have an answer to
there are numbers to tweak but I'm adamant that this role is important

>>97883045
Faggot man children like you that brag about pay inasne prices for mini toy soilders that cleary aren't worth it should be roped at the speed of sound. People like you are the reason I haven't started an army, as if it's not bad enough I have to admit I payes that much for plastic hunks, I also have to be associated with retards like you? Give me a fuckin 3d printer or better yet I'll invest my money in something productive and not waste it like an perpetual infant.

>>97883901
we go ebay and chang here, sir
thats just some anon larping and/or baiting

>>97883600
Much to cheap.
Heavy D and Plasma bombars i think needs to lose barrage, the fact it even has barrage is kinda weird.
Murderous strikes on teh gauntlet is pointless just get rid of it.

Post cost is WAY to cheap, it should be like 250 for 3 models. poitning them at 50 points a model is fucking insane.

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>>97883943
it's 200 for 3, GV cost half as much
the 3 normal guys was a typo
they have barrage in 3e and I think it's interesting
murderous strike is something that helps with monstrous creatures

>>97883968
3 for 250 is a better start again considering you bascally make them immune to most forms of instant death by being T5.

>>97883978
what basis do you have for that point cost?
aquilons were overcosted 255 for three with better stats, better weapons and more wounds

>>97883968
Where "specialist weapons" a thing in 1.0? Because a disruption fist should be one if they were.

>>97884011
doesnt really matter if it has no pistol or alt melee options

>>97884011
the reason they aren't specialist weapons is because if they had two fists, they'd get the bonus attack regardless of if they had that rule or not
it also means I can make the hammer into a specialist weapon so you get less hits with it

>>97881928
Don't forget to suck the tip after

>>97883813
plasma didn't become AP2 until like 1999 anon, it started out with the same -2 save modifier of a flamer, shuriken catapult or heavy bolter excepting the maximal fire profile of the heavy plasma gun, which had a -6 save modifier (compared to melta's flat -4), imposed a flat 2" Movement penalty (when a Marine's Movement Characteristic was 4") and had a 1" Blast on either setting; oh, and if you fired it on Maximal, you couldn't fire it again for another 3 Turns (but it was still powerful enough on the low setting to be worth using every turn, unlike plasma pistols with a 1-turn cooldown, plasma guns with a 2-turn *warm up*, RAW)

this was rationalised to a single turn-after-next rule for the small guns by the end of RT, but they actually lost ground to heavy flamers which had a -3 save mod by then (which they've retained, sort of)

it may surprise you to know after gork knows how many editions of AP3 krak missiles how shitty plasma used to be compared to krak anything

you may also not recall that plasma pistols were nerfed for 2E (to a -1 save mod, the same as a bolter or frag grenade) while hpg's retained their move-or-fire and moved to the turn-after-next recharge rule and gained a 1 1/2" Blast marker size

then in 3E they started exploding at AP2 after more than a decade of being dirty grimdark guns that didn't work well and probably gave you canska

>>97883041
well maybe you shouldn't have made it so expensive to ship shit to you

>>97882179
You are blind

>>97883041
Custodes and solar aux should have been in resin to gatekeep the poorfags

>>97883155
Agreed.

>>97884614
40k peaked around 3-4th ed.

>>97883901
Inflation has affected most goods but GW was always a jew with their yearly price hike regardless or shrinkflation.

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>>97884614
Considering RT and 2e didn't have AP, but "save modifier", it's still correct to say plasma (until recently) was always AP2, since as long as AP has been around, it was (until recently) 2 for plasma. When AP didn't exist, the number was different.

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>>97884864
i really find 2.0's str7/ap4/breaching 4+/spicy to properly encompass the scifi of them in the gamut of marine-on-marine combat
mean, mean weapons but there's room for them to interface with and be defeated by armour though particularly proper shots (coming down to a coinflip) will just slag right the fuck through
it feels nice to me that full proppa ceramite plate at least has a chance to have such blows glance off, shit is exquisite

>>97884864
of al the things to being over from RT why was it 4 way leadership and not save modifiers, fuck.

Can't get any spiked shoulders for MkIII that I'm happy with for my next squad of 10 tacs for my burgeoning SoH force - what can I do to make them a bit more Cthonic beyond the stuff I've been doing with chains, mirror coins and skulls?

>>97885116
little freehand inscribed golden/brass gang signs here and there on the plate itself

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>>97885116
Wolf pelts, wolf bits, crescent moons.

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>>97885116
Was gonna suggest the Grey Slayer ones, but they're studded, not spiked. Master Crafted?

>>97885144
Red leather gloves and those Tortuga helmets based on those Visions art pieces.

>>97885161
The bugger that I have is that all of the ones I can find are in the same style as the old MkIII and I don't have enough of those ones spare to make it match, and they've gotten rare and expensive

Does among the Solar Auxilia (I do not own their book, and am not willing to buy one just to check) exists a large tracked rocket launcher tank. But not with a pod of rockets , like whirlwinds , but big chunky rockets.

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Hello guys. I used to play WH40K more than a decade ago.
I decided to (slowly) approach Epic scale, namely Legions Imperialis, mostly because it roughly has a similar scale to Battletech. How should I approach it?
I mostly want to field a bunch of Knights and other gothic gundams

>>97885248
Of course not.

>>97881867
It's also fully poseable

>>97885312
People don't want poseable models, they want monopose as is made evident by them buying the nu-marks.

>>97881867
>omg my vehicle kit is too complex
My toast is too buttery type shit. You fucks don't want to hobby, you don't want effort.
>inb4 needless effort
It's not needless, it's that you don't want it.

>>97882173
>new saturnine termies release
>ranged weapons are either plasma or disint
Why? No bolter? No Volkite? No Flamer?

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>>97885352
>point out a simple fact
>anon has a schizo meltdown

>>97885365
>was just pointing out a fact guys!
Coward faggot

>>97885352
Let me guess, you one of those "any model is monopose if you have a hobby knife and glue, git gud" faggots?

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>>97885368
I, too, hate when people notice things.

>>97885376
On the contrary. Having to cut what used to be separate is needless effort. More pieces. Give me more freedom.

>>97885387
>calls you a schizo
>then calls you a jew

>>97883041
Blame your retard in chief to tarrif-ing the entire world and fucking up international trade lanes.

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>>97885451
AAAAA ZONALD BLUMF JUST FLEW A HAMBURGER INTO THE SYDNEY HARBOUR BRIDGE AND NOW MY MINI'S COST A GORILLION DOLLAREEDOOS

>>97885477
it's unfortunate this is a thing that really happened.

>>97885451
GW were increasing prices even without the maga clown anyway, they don't need tarrifs or global oil crisis to fuck their consoomers over

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never skip neck day

you lied to me, 3d printing is absolute garbage and i want to bash the heads of all the clowns who jerk off thinking this deamon engine of a process will somehow replace plastic miniatures

>>97885451
nigga GW were price hiking anyway. Hell most tariffs on the UK didnt even apply to their shit if I recall right.

>>97885588
If anything GW price hikes have remained constant, so far they haven't been using the current economic climate as an excuse to raise prices by even more outrageous amounts.

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Hello again. I'm currently sketching out the LW diorama that I mentioned a few days ago, but I'm all over the place when it comes to actually picking out the units to use. Do the Luna Wolves have any particular armour mark, weaponry and equipment/dreads/tanks associated with them at all? Or does anything go?

>>97885643
MkII or MkIV. Less Cthonic than the SoH of the mid heresy.

>>97883600
I'd make the disintegrator Twin-linked 1 shot instead just to cut down on Gets Hot. 2-shot disintegrator has about 1/6 chance of killing the Saturnine guy per shooting attack, which is not ideal on a 70pt model. Particle shredder's way too cheap for something that can delete entire units of MEQs. I'm not too concerned about T5 because everyone and their mom brought Vindicators and shit in 1.0, but maybe make the unit in general more expensive?

>>97883687
Plasma weapons had been AP2 since before 5th ed and the disruption fist is basically a power fist with a different name against everything below T5. Did you ever play 1.0?

>>97880634
As opposed to what, a Javelin having enough space for 3 missile types? The selling point of missile launcher has always been having different warheads. What's the fucking point of taking missile launchers instead of lascannons if I can't switch to frags midway?

gonna drop a hot sticky load of a breaching 4+ D2 5" pieplate on some terminators

>>97885855
Lewd.

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>Ran out of holstered pistols
>Won't be able to have all marines be completely WYSIWYG from now on
Today is a dark day.

>>97885578
Never had any problems with it but at the same time I've ignored any conversation about it on /hhg/.

>>97885738
>and the disruption fist is basically a power fist with a different name against everything below T5
So "not a power fist" then, S6 vs S8 is incredibly relevant. They wound terminators on 3s, wound dreads on 5s and can do fuck all to vehicles a lot of the time.

>>97883802
>>make infantry that doesn't instantly die to a pieplate
>>this is somehow a bad thing
>made infantry massively overtuned compared to other infantry
>this is good because infantry suck in general
lmao. Play a different edition then, rather than making more dumb bullshit to cope about its flaws. You took a well balanced unit which fits neatly alongside other terminators and turned them into a garbage mess that does everything and has no weaknesses because youre a retard who shows why homebrew rules are terrible 99.9% of the time.

>>the sidearm weapon is worse than the main gun and now serves as overwatch deterrent
Yes, the situational upgrade with a difficult use condition being worse than the free longer range weapon is bad you dumb fuck.

>>try to translate the slightly better power fist from 3e
Which they are not. Saturnine fists are at best a sidegrade and more realistically worse. Because the situations where you care about D3 are fewer than the situations where you care about S6 vs S8. They are not Solarite gauntlets.

>>97885387
Israel doesnt want you to have saturnine dreadnought feet composed of a reasonable amount of bits

Grabbed six saturnine from a local facebook group and two Wolf Priest bearded heads. Gonna convert the fuck of them. What size magnets should I get for arms? Also post your saturnine pls

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Yeehaw motherfuckers, buddy was clearing out his storage locker and I got this for $100

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>>97886094
3mm magnets work fine if you magnetise the elbow joints. Very easy to magnetise all the options, besides the particle shredders.

>>97886103
oooh, what's that hammer from? Looks sweet.

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>>97886114
Found them on Cults3D, forgot the name of the creator.

>>97886098
Solid grab for 100, shit goes for like double or more on FW

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Workin on some blackshields and I forgot to take a snappie if their armor before I stippled it and I'm an idiot

>>97886227
Is there ever gonna be an end to the centurions and consuls you're building?

>>97886276
These are the last four, then it's veterans.

>>97885643
What diorama idea bro?

>>97885889
Press mould them, I did that and I never run out now

>>97886227
How did you make the volkite fist?

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>>97886103
Those yours anon?

Jesus, that’s really super. How’d a nitwit like you get so tasteful?

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>>97886227
The venerable Legio Diecasticus.

>>97886331
Cut the blade off a chainfist, then cut and file a volkite charger to fit, and reposition its power pack to be side mounted

>>97886339
Kek>>97886341

>>97884976
Because save modifiers are simply worse than AP like 40k for the past decade demonstrates and the new morale system is the best one they've ever done.

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>>97886331
>>97886341
Volkite fists are classy.

>>97886355
>>97886341
Pretty cool thanks

>>97879935
Do you think people would have cared if there actually had always been female custodes? Like, if they'd done this 25 years ago and the custodes were these depressing ubermench remnants of the Emperor's once grand plan for humanity's future. I feel like it could have been fine/cool if the motivation weren't so baldly malicious.

>>97885643
Luna wolves were super clean and unembellished. They had a penchant for Mk.II and Mk.IV armor. They were wolves in mentality, not literal wolves like the sons of Russ.

Always thought it would be a cool story if a few loyalist LW companies showed up late in the Heresy after being sent on a campaign they weren’t expected to return from in any meaningful numbers since most of the were the remaining Terrans and non-Cthonians left in the legion from the early days. Something like that.

The white and black with flashes of gold and red looks amazing when painted well.

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>>97886355

>>97886382
There wasn't, GW is retarded and the retcon lore is too.

>>97886382
Probably. People were less indoctrinated and so it would be treated like a joke, as in preposterous, and wouldn’t sell well. Gymnastic elf witches with tight bods, bladed boomerangs, pitch forks, and great legs? Definitely. Sisters of battle with power-bob haircuts, power armor heels, and angel jetpacks? Absolutely. Gigantic muscle-slabbed women who are otherwise indistinguishable from their male counterparts? What’s the fun in that? Back then the game was 99% men and boys, and they wanted their not-a-pin-up girls on the battlefield, not a bull dyke.

It would have crashed and burned back then, but for different reasons. Hell, SoB didn’t really sell well back in the 90s anyway, a lot of it due to the whole demography of the player base and enjoying identifying in some way with their army.

>>97886382
I wouldn't have and still don't care, female custodes make sense, the problem is the models are fucking atrocious and monopose.

>>97886440
They are very monopose but what's wrong with the sculpts? I think they look a lot better than the older ones. Speaking of infantry anyways. The tanks and dreads look identical.

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>>97885738
>disruption fist is basically a power fist with a different name against everything below T5
I find it weird that a heavier terminator has a heavier power fist and it punches weaker yet it also does more damage. I really can't wrap my head around it.
Like a pillow case covered in razor wire somehow.

>>97886472
They're actually not power fists. They are just gauntlets, most likely with little to no modifications from their plasma reactor maintenance exo-suit origins, with disruption field generators slapped on. They are tools modified for combat, not purpose build combat weapons like actual powerfists.

>>97886382
The emperor engineering “perfect” future humans that look down on the rest of humanity would be a lot better than custodes current lore which is basically just “space marine but better.” And yeah it would fit the idea of female custodes better. As it stands though they did it as the “female space marines” they could push with the least resistance

>>97886472
>ultimate protection for reduced mobility
>can’t swing as hard because can’t move as well, but has some gnarly tech built in

Makes sense to me.

>>97886506
>>97886472
This of it like the jaws of life.

A power fist is like crushing/cutting something with the jaws of life.
The Saturnine fist is like just bashing someone with said fist.

>>97886382
The whole point of custodes and marines was that they were meant to serve specific guardian and combat roles, and were never meant to replace humanity. The Emperor's ultimate goal is to guide humanity through it's psychic development, that part of the lore has been consistent throughout the years. He never created post-humans of both sexes to avoid uprisings similar to what happened with the Men of Iron.

But of course nu-GW forgot all about that, and was too busy trying to score brownie points with mentally ill people on Twitter that don't even buy their products.

>>97886103
>Particle Shredders

Are they worth paying points for?

>>97886382
>Do you think people would have cared if there actually had always been female custodes?
Yes because it literally goes against established lore reasons as pointed out here >>97886536

>>97886536
Nu-GW also forgot the emperor was incredibly sexist. he could’ve had daughters, he chose not to. He could’ve made gene seed compatible with women, he chose to not bother. Would he engineer lady soldiers as his personal guard? fuck no.

>>97886506
They are 100% not tools repurposed for war. Yes the concept of a heavy shielded suit began as a tool for reactor inspection, but it was since redesigned to be a wearable tactical dreadnought suit.
>>97886519
Chainfists are more tool than that and yet they hit even Stronger...and somehow do less damage??
It's the relationship between Str and D what I don't seem to get. I would think Str is the force with which it hits, and Damage is whether it kills a person or gibs them into pieces.