That’s the ugliest bread I’ve ever seen in my life.

Question for y’all Yeehaw
What kind of character that you always wanted to play but are too embarrassed to try with other players?

I always wanted to play a vampire girl with the Bound, Weak Will and Loathsome Regnant flaws. And have no resources, haven and any possessions of her own and be dependent on her sire for everything.

>Have you ever retired a character in a way that didn't outright kill them?
One childe died, the other childer left, depressive loneliness ending unlocked.
>>97939949
Bound is included in Loathsome Regnant, I wouldn't let you take both as your ST. Also I want to play something similar but as a male character.

>>97939949
>play essentially an abused housewive/pet/sugar baby
What is the appeal for this?
My ideal character I'd be too embarrassed to play would be something like an actual loser with delusions of grandeur trying to become a necromancer either as a Hunter or a non-magic Clan . Just straight up chuuni retardation.

>>97939977
>What is the appeal for this?
Have you tried playing Changeling?

>>97939949
>What kind of character that you always wanted to play but are too embarrassed to try with other players?
I played a Princess of Storms inspired by the main character from Sucker Punch for several years. I don't think I'm capable of embarrassment.

>>97939968
Oh right, my bad... anyway Weak-Will and Loathsome Regnant already gives 7 freebies. I might take the Amnesia flaw just to be extra dependant on the sire.

>>97939977
I dunno, I guess it's the kind of misery porn that I want to play but this might make people uncomfortable. Me playing the abused victim, or the ST having to play the abuser.

>>97939996
Even feeling bad for whatever you could pull others into?

>>97939949
>What kind of character that you always wanted to play but are too embarrassed to try with other players?
i want to at least once go all out with minmaxing a tremere to absolute disgusting levels but i also don't want to do this to my group

>>97939915
>TQ
Personally? No. But I have seen it happen. One friend played a paranoid Malkavian with a dash of agoraphobia. He really liked the character but his uselessness in combat and in-character reluctance to leave his haven caused the player to decide to retire him. He still came up occasionally, since he was a gifted seer, but not as a regular member of the coterie. Another player in the same game retired their Brujah because ALL he could do was combat, and playing a genuine idiot gets tiresome real quick.

>>97939949
>What kind of character that you always wanted to play but are too embarrassed to try with other players?
Honestly? I've never had one as a player, but I have had some NPC and plot ideas as an ST I decided against for fear of it being past my player's comfort zones. I guess I do have a few old PCs I wouldn't mind revisiting, but don't want to force, especially as if I'm running the game since they'd just be a GMPC.

>>97939949
>That’s the ugliest bread I’ve ever seen in my life.
Agree.
I kinda fell bakerboy needs some punishment

>>97940018
>whatever you could pull others into?
I don't even know what I would have been able to pull anyone else into.

>>97939949
>>97940116
Is it the picture or the TQ? Ill admit Ive been kinda phoning it in the last couple of threads but those experimental cosmetics you guys made me test out are kinda fucking with my head. I mean people seem to taking more of an interest in me but I feel compelled to lure people into secluded areas for reasons beyond my understanding.

>>97940198
>bakerboy is now a fomorsister
Grim.

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>>97939915
Do you guys just not ever end your chronicles and/or always play out the various end times? Why would they just die?
And do you do the written time of the 90s and 2000s or do you just cop out and do contemporary times?
As much fun as doing 90s Hunter was, the quote of the titanic guy painfully rang through the whole thing
>NEVER do a period piece

Hello, fellow kindred, this is you bro, Finistère.
I'll let you guys decide if I go to the next Elysium dressed as girl.
It's just a joke, of course.

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>>97940261
From what I understand, continuous chronicles that just never end were more of a 90s thing. Modern tabletop gaming emphasises the value of campaigns and chronicles with a coherent beginning, middle and end. I can't recall the last time I heard of a group that had been playing the same chronicle for hundreds of sessions

>>97940261
>NEVER do a period piece
My group pretty much only does period pieces for WoD nowadays. Probably because we're a bunch of history buffs. We've actually never done a game actually set in the 90s, our handful of modern games were all contemporary unless you're counting WW2 as modern, which I don't. I actually think the 2010s and onward are really excellent for horror, but people tend to avoid it because honestly? Most people are honestly demoralized and would rather not engage with current year stuff, even if it has the potential to be interesting or engaging.

Never liked Gehenna as written, and ending the setting we've built together would feel sorta bad. It also probably helps that we're not oWoD purists, so we're not steeped in that "it was made for the 90s" argument I've seen bandied about now and again.

>>97940198
>Void Sissyneer type thread
>Bakeslave is now insane or corrupted
The end is nigh

>>97939949
>What kind of character that you always wanted to play but are too embarrassed to try with other players?
A cowboy who was embraced in his early teens thus is a bit short and has a thing for old yet powerful antique single action revolvers as well as lassos.
It's just too goofy. Especially since I conceived of him with the full accent and cowboy swagger too.
Like he seems cool in my head but I know full well in actual play it would be ultra cringe.

>>97940261
>And do you do the written time of the 90s and 2000s or do you just cop out and do contemporary times?
Contemporary. It's one of those weird things where the 90s are too recent and too old at the same time. It's too recent to be viewed with rose-tinted glasses or glorified, but it's too old for a lot of players to have actually lived through it as anything other than children. In my experience, zoomers really struggle to imagine what life might have been like a mere thirty years ago.

>>97940261
>the quote of the titanic guy
>NEVER do a period piece
Come again?

>>97939949
>What kind of character that you always wanted to play but are too embarrassed to try with other players?
Giovanni with cousin-wife and kids

>>97940411
>cousin-wife
Upgrade to sister-wife if you ever want to be respected by the elders.

>>97940411
I've always wondered if an ST would let me get away with playing incest twins (Giovanni optional), either two kindred embraced by the same guy, a Malk or two with permanent tulpas, or a kindred and his ghoul. Like a sistercon but taken up to an 11.

>>97940531
i did once allow malkavian incest twins at my table the players did the twin switch by switching sheets and characters without telling anyone but me

it was fun and the fact that both players played both characters made the incest kinda weird in a fun way

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>>97940380
James Cameron said something like that about all the set design and costuming and accuracy of things for The Titanic (1997) because it's a fucking pain once you get past the superficial because the obvious falls into place super quick but really tiny things start to glare out
Do you know when furniture pads were invented to keep from scratching up the floor? How about how fast they were distributed and implemented everywhere and not just what wikipedia says the invention (patent) date is? What about handrails and their use? What about specifically where YOU are right now to be accurate but not hokey? (pic related)
Just shit like that that ends up mattering more than you think, especially in the World of Darkness where often the crux of an action or plan relies on "I grab the X at the convenience store and bash the guy with it" or "I dig around the trash and try to jury rig a solution to this thing" or "I check out what's in his garage for ideas on how to do this thing"

>>97940607
Damn that sounds both hilarious and prone to making people uncomfortable. I wanted here to play both twins because good luck convincing another player to be an incest twin with a swapping personality

>>97940611
I guess the beauty of playing partial fiction is you can do silly shit like having a samurai during Lincoln's assassination since players don't expect full historical accuracy. Granted, you play a wild west setting or other and you're bound to attract autists who not only like that period but study it religiously that might get annoyed or annoying when you bring things up.

>>97940261
>Do you guys just not ever end your chronicles and/or always play out the various end times? Why would they just die?
All of the chronicles that I've played in were meant to be open-ended. They ended due to strain from the setup and/or a desire to play other things.
>And do you do the written time of the 90s and 2000s or do you just cop out and do contemporary times?
The first was set in 2013; the most recent in 2022. The one we just started is actually set in 2001.

>>97940635
>Granted, you play a wild west setting or other and you're bound to attract autists who not only like that period but study it religiously that might get annoyed or annoying when you bring things up.
Boy, just wait until you find out about Deadlands.

>>97940531
My only WtA character so far was a Silver Fang triplet who banged both his twins

First thing ST did was arrange me a marriage with an older, widowed (or divorced, can't remember), lower Pure Breed kinfolk, for political reasons (something SF explicitly don't do), at the same time he (supposedly) rolled a dice and determined I had impregnated my sister

Ended up leaving the chronicle down the road due to drama so who knows how that's going

>>97940627
>Damn that sounds both hilarious and prone to making people uncomfortable
it was super both you see the player been friends since kindergarden (every player being in their early to mid 20s at the time) and hadn't come as gay yet. I don't really want to go into more detail because i don't think they would want me to but in hindsight it turned out to be the most hillarious thing i ever allowed at the table

also they are getting married next year

>>97939949
Child/Teen characters. Used to play them a lot as a teenager but now I’m a grown man and I only play with strangers. So yeah, that’s out of the table

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>>97940732

Does it have any effect when you flash a laser pointer in a vampire's eyes? Floodlights? Sparklers? Pepper spray? Bleach? Rubbing alcohol?

>>97940834
we know vampires can be blinded like normal or even easier than normal in case of setites and vampires who use auspex 1 to strenghten their sight

so most everything that works on a normie should work on a vamp in this regard althought i remember people making the argument on here that Pepper spray shouldn't work

>>97940719
Based, but also damn. Maximizing the pure breed offspring I see. You could have maybe chimped out and forced a marriage with your twins (or banged all three) I think, had your campaign not had problems.
>>97940732
Jfc, good for them I suppose but how do you even broach that topic?
>hey bro (who I fuck), want to play my incestuous lover in this role playing game with our real life friends?
>Sure thing man, anything for you
Were they smashing at the time too? That's not particularly relevant to the character but part of the reason I would prefer just doing it all myself is it's a pretty weird thing to ask a friend in my opinion.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around Dauntain and it's not clicking for me. Just what are they? I've read through Autumn People but I'm still having trouble.

There any WtA premade games you guys like? Group wants to play that instead of the sabbat game I was planning so I need something to tide over until I can get something proper written out

>>97940936
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteWolfRPG/comments/1b27zr6/i_have_never_understood_the_dauntain_even_since/

>>97940936
Sexo.

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>>97940936
Kithain Widderslainte. They go through chrysalis in some sort of "wrong" way, either because their environment is steaming with banality or they're too banal themselves, or whatever. In C20, they are any kithain template, but they have some sort of flaw and an extra art that lets them turn things into cold iron and similar things. Because this has probably ruined their life in some manner, they are often bitter and strike against anything fae, most of the time blindly. There was one guy in WW1 that transported a cold iron crowbar into faerie, that left Versailles' Near Dreaming a decimated wreck until about '69.

>the vaulderie, the foundational ritual of the Sabbat itself, was created with the help of Kupala, a DEMON

Genuinely how does the Sabbat inquisition exist man?

>>97941308
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

>>97941308
Should have consulted Veles instead.

>>97939915
Please excuse me for being a thread tourist by I was strolling by and can't help but ask what the fuck is happening in this picture?

>>97941576
Just another day at Pentex.
Those guys are the last defence humanity has against evil werewolves.

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>>97941586
I've tried to like the Garou and Werewolf so much but... The tribes are just not interesting to me. This really should've been about all the changing races in the first place.

Technically speaking, a Wraith that skin rides a person and forces them to have sex is rape.
The Puppeteers are all rapists.

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>>97941876
Yeah, most tribes are just boring. The clans (at least the original 7 and a couple of the other ones) are pretty well developed, but the tribes are just meh.

>This really should've been about all the changing races in the first place.
But there are maybe just 3-4 that are interesting.

>>97941937
>But there are maybe just 3-4 that are interesting.
Not even that many, really. I struggle to name a single aspect of Werewolf that appeals to me.

>>97941905
That's pretty hot.

>>97942025
Hot catgirls?

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>>97942035
That's Gangrel. All Werewolf shifters are way too high on the furry scale.

>>97941905
>The Puppeteers are all rapists
How do I join THAT Guild?

>>97942067
First, you have to kill yourself.

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>>97941905
Shut up, Shadow, I'm just helping them live a little.

>>97941905
I was thinking this about Demon the Descent demons, the book often brings up examples like asking for someone's wife in a pact, but that's basically like mind-controlling her into thinking you're her husband, that's definitely rape if you have sex with her.

>>97942094
Based descent demons.

>>97941905
See? See?! The Giovanni are the good guys!!!

>>97942152
It's why they have so many friends waiting for them on the other side.

>>97942153
They have FAMILY on the other side.

>>97941876
>>97941937
Changing Breeds are cool and all but I feel like promoting them to the main splat option would only increase the accusations of "Furry Captain Planet" while taking away from the game's main focus of Werewolves.

So on that note, here's a question for anyone who's disappointed with WtA/WtF, if we were getting a New new world of darkness and you were put in charge of the werewolf splat, what would you do with it? Hard mode: No spirits

>>97942173
I am one of the people who would try to turn Werewolf into Promethean. You are cursed, haunted and hunted.
The progression becomes a out the caliber of hunter and witches who can be bothered to harass you.

>>97942173
>So on that note, here's a question for anyone who's disappointed with WtA/WtF, if we were getting a New new world of darkness and you were put in charge of the werewolf splat, what would you do with it? Hard mode: No spirits
Cut down the number of tribes and turn them into something akin to sects; packs (including players) are expected to be composed from members of a single tribe, which shares a mythology, history, beliefs, and genetic relation (a bit more like a wolf pack being a family unit). Tribes have different beliefs and objectives, no more "mother Gaia made us all to fight Banes and Fomori". Fight against the white man's corporations that run and rape your people's land (which as we recently learned, are in fact run by a cabal of cannibal pedophiles), hunt witches and vampires as wolves of God, protect your forest domains and hunting grounds from logging companies and big farmer...

I dunno, just trying yo think of how to make with more options than "fight the Apocalypse war"

>>97941576
Cult of ecstasy orgy but the mage organising it has a few dots in the Life sphere.

>>97941308
the inqusition declared koldunism infernal yet although there are some voices in the inqusition that want to.
mostly it's because the inqusition is mostly located in mexico and spain (even in canada they are weaker than you would expect so infernalists are running rampart) so few of them ever been to romania (and came back alive) so as far as everyone knows kupala is just a pagan deity not at all different from when the tremere antitribu call upon mars for the thaum path with the same name

>>97941576
Its showcasing the Second Head taint (special type of disadvantage from serving the wyrm). Im assuming bakeslave is implying this was his fate for botching a thread a little while back.

>>97942173
I'd replace it with a more generic game called Shifter: the Duality that is built around a one-on-one format, in which one person plays the human aspect of the character and STs for the monstrous aspect, while the other person plays the monstrous aspect and STs for the human aspect. The game wouldn't just cover werewolves but any supernatural being with a monstrous alter-ego, like a Jekyll and Hyde sort of character. Chronicles would only last a few sessions and revolve around the human aspect of the character trying to rid itself of the monstrous aspect, while the monstrous aspect tries to severe any connection that the character has to humanity so it can become the dominant aspect.
I would keep nothing from WtA. That game is salvageable.

Which is least racist, Forsaken or Apocalypse?

Asking here first before trying my hand at it, has any of you ever made a Cheat Engine table for VtM:B that allows first person melee? I know some games that are purely third person have tables that allow first person view
Apparently there's a mod for this in Unofficial Patch's extras but that disables weapon models

>>97942173
Number one with a bullet is remove the tribal stuff. Save that for a later expansion made by an indigenous author. Dig up some European werewolf lore for the base book. Even Forsaken isn't fully clean.

Focus on the uneven state of the world. Instead of fighting spirits, fight the symbols of humanity's disrespect for Nature. Storm data centers like fortresses and hunt down CEOs when they vacation in the countryside. Take some inspiration from the anti-monarchist/fascist movements and euro-punk culture. Basically, invert the fey obsession with courts and nobility.

Can you truly be "anti-human" when you are still human? Are you even still human?

>>97942805
if i remember correctly the first person weapon models are coded differently than the 3rd person ones so there are no first person models for the melee weapons

>>97942789
Forsaken, Apocalypse is built on racist caricatures.

>>97942044
>Too high
No such thing, anon has clearly never held eye contact with a wolf.
>>97942025
The rites (outside of the weird sex ones) are actually all very cool imo.

Uh-oh, the Werewolf fanboys are waking up.

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>>97942896
Then give a decent hook for another discussion. All I have is Fomorian and Revenant ERP bullshit I will never use.

>>97942391
>>97942816
I feel like getting rid of the tribal stuff gets rid of the uniqueness of Werewolf and makes it less thematically in-sync with WoD. Every supernatural group has a sort of miniature "race/ethnicity" classification for that splat. I guess Werewolf is unique in that you also get a class (auspice), where every other splat usually just gets the class or the racial/ethnic group. Maybe Werewolf just needed one or the other

>>97942930
>Revenant ERP
Is this something like your family's 700 year old dominator specifically picking (you) for his BDSM sex dungeon until he embraces you?

>>97942896
I hope they can answer >>97940989 then

Can we literally have a single day when we're allowed to say negative things about WtA without its fans rushing to defend it?

>>97942946
I dislike Werewolf and it looks pretty civil to me so far.

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>>97942936
Not really, more like looking at someone and slowly breaking their mind, body, and soul into something you enjoy using and then discarding them. That and all the horrific and monstrous things they can have in their back pockets, like hellhounds and other war ghouls.

>>97942956
We have people like 97942932 who always try to make a discussion out of it whenever someone says something bad about their game.
Can they not just let people say that they don't like a thing without drilling them over it?

>>97942932
I mean, if what makes it feel like WoD is being >>97942835 "built on racist caricatures" then maybe that opens up a broader question of what about WoD should or shouldn't change.

>>97942969
it is as question of what do you want out of the game. for most wod is fine because the retarded stuff is relegated to the ST side who can handwave what they dont like.

>>97942965
Discussions can be good. I'd rather have a discussion over shit flinging. Now, if you said "all discussions always become about X and fall apart," that'd be notable.

>>97942969
Vampire the Masquerade is mostly good in this regard. It doesn't have to bastardise non-white cultures in order to create factions, with a few awful exceptions - Assamites, Ravnos, Setites, Kuei-jin. Yuck. Werewolf and Mage rely far too heavily on racist caricature factions, while Changeling is Eurocentric to the point of being racist in the exact opposite way.

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Should Selkie be werewolves or changelings?

>>97942987
Yeah but we're able to talk shit about Vampire without it being derailed into 'discussions.' No one butts in when we complain about how shit Vampire or Mage can be, but whenever anyone says anything non-positive about Werewolf, someone always rushes to defend the virtue of their precious game.

>>97942991
Skin-thieves or Sorcerers.

>>97942995
You could just do that, talk about the things you like about the others. That's not against any rule and will not get you banned.

>>97943006
4chan shouldn't be a safe space where no criticism is allowed.

>>97943012
You should take this issue to the site admin and moderation team.

>>97943021
Why are you upset that people dislike your furry eco-terrorist game that bastardises werewolf folklore?

>>97943024
What? I'm agreeing with you.
Polite disagreements are ruining this thread and someone needs to stand up!

>>97943012
Everyone here is specifically allowing your criticism.

>>97943028
Oye, y'er a right cunt, ain'tcha?

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>>97943039

The shit-stirrer's at it again, I see. I knew he was a Werewolf fan all along.

>>97942969
>>97942990
Fuck off back whence you came.

>>97943042
People are allowed to not like your game, dogfucker.

Okay, let's broach a new topic then if that's what you want. Promethean. Let's talk about Promethean.

>>97943046
Go farm your updoots somewhere else.

>>97942991
Works better as changelings I think, even if they actually transform. Same with Kitsune

>>97942969
>>97942990
You anons are entitled to your opinions but I don't dislike or want to deal away with racist caricatures, sure they might be a bit offensive to some people but they're easy to work with quickly and usually they're fairly optional. You don't need to be an Irish Fianna or a Nordic Get or an Indian Ravnos, but it can help you work pretty quickly into that sort of archetype. The racism is usually not overly offensive I think and it helps keep the setting pretty edgy in a way that contributed to the soul and themes of World of Darkness. Ultimately, the world itself is pretty racist. It only makes sense that "real life but shitty" the rpg would have more racism.

>>97943048
AI Prometheans

>>97943048
What's there to talk about? Dead game that's almost impossible to play as a group.

>>97942961
This is sort of the average ghoul or obsessed Toreador sire experience, I don't see how Revenants are used specifically but I also like this idea too.
>imagine getting turned into a breeding stand for hellhounds by your Tzimisce dominator for fucking up once
This has potential, yet it is pretty disgusting potential.

>>97943057
NTA but I was actually thinking that maybe Homid and Lupus shouldn't even be the same supernatural

A man that turns into a wolf and a wolf that turns into a man are very different theme-wise. A werewolf and... A wolfwere?

>>97942990
You forgot the Ventrue, Toreador, Lasombra, Tzimisce and Gangrel! Yuck!

Nosferatu, Brujah and Malkavian are alright though.

Obviously Tremere are the best/least racist caricature of a clan.

>>97943077
In WoD it's more like Garou are their own species and they can magic impregnate wolves and humans, so ordinarily yes you do have a point but I feel like it doesn't necessarily apply to WoD. A wolfwere probably wouldn't have any higher brain functions I assume

Racist caricatures are based though.

>>97943077
"Were" means "male" as in a man. Wereman and wifman were old terms for men and women. The "-man" suffix is used to mean "man" as in "hu-man-ity" and "man-kind." The "were-" prefix was eventually dropped from wereman and wifman got changed to woman, but you can still see that "wif-" in "wife." So, a wolf that becomes a human would be the opposite of a were(man)wolf(wolf). It'd be a wulfman.

>>97943091
You could just accept that he has a point and that including wolves who can transform into men in the same game as werewolves is retarded. You don't need to defend it.

>>97943088
>Obviously Tremere are the best/least racist caricature of a clan.

austrians who like to manipulate the the germans (ventrue) into taking the heat for them

>>97943088
Brujah are just niggers.

>>97943095
Not outside of /b/ it's not.

>>97943101
That's not even what they were arguing. Just said they could be more different.

>>97943113
The point is that lupus have no place in a werewolf game.

>>97943101
>>97943120
Werewolves aren't even the same species anon, but if you wanted to exclude Lupus there's always W5. I'm personally fine with Lupus. Werewolves are more a colloquial term than the actual name of them so even if Lupus is more wolfman than a werewolf it hardly matters.

Huh. Apparently in French garou is used like "were-" when talking about shapeshifters of other animals (e. g. lapin-garou for wererabbit)

So a Changing Breeds game could be called Garou: the Something

>>97943135
W5 still has 'wolf-born' werewolves. Just no different mechanics.

>>97943139
They aren't playable though right?
>>97943138
>Garou the Ecosystem
>Garou the Ethnic Cleansing
>Garou the Terrorism
>Garou the Debate
>Garou the Manhunt
>Garou the Bestiality
>Garou the Ideological Debate on the Nature of Man and Shifter

>>97943154
Garou: the Bestiality would be big in Berlin

>>97943154
They are, just no different mechanics or any details regarding what it's like to be 'wolf-born.' All that W5 has to say about them is
>Wolf-born werewolves exist and Red Talons are the only tribe that is mostly wolf-born

>>97943164
I know Germany had a high furry population, but why Berlin in particular?
>>97943166
Interesting, I guess. That's just Paradox at work, since we'll never get tribe books explaining it.

>>97943071
>I don't see how Revenants are used specifically but I also like this idea too.
I just have a breeding kink and vampires can't do that

>>97943173
>I know Germany had a high furry population, but why Berlin in particular
Just the stereotype of Berliners as degenerate sex demons

I vaguely recall something about zoophiles marching for their rights? Might not've been in Berlin actually

I've noticed whenever people start talking about how to improve OWoD, they're always just recreating NWoD. Some of the ideas here seem to be stuff like no Lupus, fewer tribes, more local focus, that's just Forsaken.

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>>97943204
well not with that attitude but have you considered another path? specifically The Red Midwives

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>>97943204
>And vampires cant do that.
Not with that attittude!
>Toreador
>Max Humanity
>Blush of Life
>Every Bonus Trait to make you more human
>Breed every slutty goth girl you get your hands on
Then take over the world with the half vamp children.

>>97943109
Wrong.

>>97943227
I thought Forsaken did have wolf born werewolves?

>>97943250
There's exactly one, and he's supposed to be a horrifying abomination that the Pure want to turn into a discount Paul Atreides.

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>>97943235
Tell me more about those, my memory of the bahari is rather fuzzy.
>>97943238
I know it is possible, but it feels contrived when Iay it all down.
Yes, I know worrying about the believability of fap material is nonsense, but it still gets me out of the mood.

How common do you think multi-generational hunter lineages are? They're a semi common fixture in fiction. Do you think they're doomed to eventually implode from the hardship that comes with the lifestyle? Do you think they're only realistically attainable for hunters that already had a solid source of generational wealth, or would it be possible for a poor hunter lineage to take root, living as nomads and probably with a bit of stealing involved?

>>97941937
Why are those chicks so fucking massive ?
I assume they're altricial (?) and fairly "new" and they're the size of full-grown hooded crows (ravens aren't THAT much bigger are they ?)

>>97943285
Grünfeld Bach come to mind, so probably decently common

Probably more common in more traditional hunter organizations like the Society of St. Leopold or the Knights of St. George, or even the Arcanum

>>97943285
>How common do you think multi-generational hunter lineages are?
Hunter families should be pretty rare since the big hunter groups are tied to the Vatican and don't get to have families. The Imbued are too young and suicidal to form legacies that last longer than Jonestown, even with supernatural aid.
I am sure there are families that have like 6 generations of fucking around with the supernatural without becoming one, but I can't remember any from WoD. If anything, staying that long as a hunter group just makes them look incompetent rather than virtuous.

>only Mages can pierce the lie and understand the supernatural
>D- Don't look at the Hunters over there...

>all fey spirits like the Changelings are at risk of being consumed by banality or bedlam
>D- Don't look at those Werewolves spirits over there...

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>>97943271
Theyre essentially a subsect of bahari. Id go into more detail but rather than regurgitate their section from Guide to The Tal'mahe'ra ill just post the page.

I also recommend a book for v20 called Accursed Heirs: Dhampirs

>>97943271
Why not retool those VtR covenant breeding rituals? You don't have to keep the dhampir stuff since only the act matters

>>97943257
That sounds amazing anon, Paul Lup'Garou Atreides the Messiah I have no clue how to spin the Uratha into a pun, maybe Pure'adib?

>>97943285
The Belmonts from Castlevania save the first two-ish generations lived in poverty so while not a 1-1 I don't see why not, so long as important family heirlooms and relics stay in-family.

>>97943360
>Hunters
>Don't undestand the power of willwork
Didn't pierce shit

>>97943285
I'm guessing it happens a lot in organizations that are tied to a social class, like Ashwood Abbey or Hototogisu.

>>97943271
I personally suggest not going Bahari. You do not want their retardation.

>>97943285
I'd say pretty rare since being a hunter is bad for your health. I could see that being a thing in the Arcanum since they're hunters in name only. The Inquisition even has a 1 pt flaw for being born into the SoL.

>>97943379
Thanks, they sound like a group that should be more prominent given the Sabbat but that's a whole other thing.

>>97943399
>Why not retool those VtR covenant breeding rituals?
It doesn't really fit the mood I had in mind. They feel too intentional to be used on a whim, like what I was going for initially, where a simple conversation devolves into something forsaking their lives to join a sex cult because of some commands hidden in plain conversation, like what you can do using VtR2e Dominate.

Scratching my head regarding Quintessence.
>Page 332 says a mage can "channel more than their Avatar rating through a Node" with Prime 1, that they can "absorb Quintessence from Tass" with Prime 3 and that they can "absorb Quintessence from anything" with Prime 5.
>Page 510 says that Absorbing, Draining and Channelling Quintessence all require Prime 3.
>Page 520 says that a mage can "channel Quintessence from Nodes, Tass, Wonders and Effects" with Prime 1, but it also says that a mage can "draw both free and raw Quintessence from Nodes, Junctures" with Prime 3.
So what's the difference between Channelling, Drawing, Draining and Absorbing Quintessence, and what's the difference between how a mage channels Quintessence through/from Nodes at Prime 1 and Prime 3?

We've talked about Mage enough for a lifetime. Can we talk about Promethean instead? Please ;_;

>>97943499
Fair enough that does sound enticing. I like the potential for deliberate corruption the rituals could entail but to each their own.
So what would be kind an ideal scenario for you then? Some kind of gated community unwittingly turned into breeding pens via the new vamp residents?
>>97943541
Were Ulgans ever interesting?

>>97943541
Well, go on, anon. Say something about Promethean. We're all ears.

>>97943429
Forsaken has a lot of slept on stuff like that. I say that as someone who slept on it for a very long time, now I unironically want to run a Forsaken game.

>>97943549
Okay here goes. Everything about Prometheans is presented as deeply unnatural, intrusive and antithetical to existence, from the way they attract the ire of every living thing around them if they stay around long enough to the way the land withers away in their presence. And yet, they have a cycle, they have rules. Save for the Extempore each one is made according to a specific ritual with detailed steps. There's always mortal Demiurges that gain a glimpse of the Creative Fire and make a proto-man out of corpses animated by Azoth. And then there's the Great Work. There's a starting point and an end point, and rules for everything they do. Wouldn't this imply that rather than being abominations against all existence Prometheans have a proper place in the universe and its ecology even if we don't understand it completely? What if their creation is guided by the Principle itself? And isn't it weird that a Promethean reaching the end of their Great Work is the only process in the entire setting that explicitly creates a new soul, when even the greatest occultists of the setting are at a loss for how souls are formed or where they come from? There's a lot of interesting implications once you start scratching beneath the surface.

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>>97943546
>Some kind of gated community unwittingly turned into breeding pens via the new vamp residents?
Either that or some collage fraternities going sideways thanks to kindred influence after they used the university to refine the medical process.

>>97943541
i know far less about cofd than wod and honestly the only thing i know about Prometheans is that i once meet one in a vtr game and got a lot of shit from the rest of the group (out of character even) because my blood alchemist ventrue wanted to be nice to the frankenstein monster because i thought that was a neat combo

>>97943546
>Were Ulgans ever interesting?
They're the most interesting so yes.

>>97943604
frats and sororities are a good angle. Would you slip the stuff in during rush week or after they fully joined up?

>>97943626
>Would you slip the stuff in during rush week or after they fully joined up?
I think the rush week would be a more interesting scenario because of the culture shock and weighing the risk of ignoring the weird shit in exchange for free accommodations, tutors, and whatever else frats are supposed to be like rather than a rich boys club.

>>97943573
Pyros reminds me of the Getter from Getter Robo, they're both sentient forces of nature associated with change, evolution, they drive people insane, and seem to have a thing for humanity. 1st Edition Promethean also mentions that the Divine Fire was responsible for uplifting humans to sentience, which is also true of the Getter.

>>97943541
>Promethean Kettle when he sees the Wraith Pot

Does CofD have any rules for inflicting instant massive injuries like dismemberment, beheading or neck-snapping?

>>97943685
I imagine that'd be no different from lethal rolling over into aggravated, but at least I'd say it would depend on the splat.

>>97943549
I've never looked at Promethean, what's fun about it?

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>>97943541
>Can we talk about Promethean instead?
There really isn't all that much to say besides watching whatver you made try and fail to be human untill they break themselves or whatever blockage is stopping them from being more human with each fuck up being more dangerous than the last.

>>97943685
Yeah just look at the tilts and conditions to see how to amputate someone's arm rather than just breaking it.
In general >>97943691 is right because that type stuff only happans when someone rolls rote actions to kill someone with a called shot.

>>97943703
Never played it but from my understanding is Promethean is Pinocchio + Adam Cadmon type of alchemy + Planescape Torment (only the part where you ruin everything)
Which can be interesting, but I don't blame anons for not quite meshing with it.

>>97943652
Smart, the culture shock would be a great smokescreen for it. How would you handle the dorm mothers/staff in such a scenario?

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>>97942173
What everyone always complains about:
Too different from the main pop culture idea of a werewolf. Moon-phase based buffs and debuffs. Full moon triggers first change. A focus on rage, emotions, and controlling them to make it a more relatable human struggle, give it the depth of Wraith. The condition being bite transmissible. Take a lot of inspiration from The Hulk and its more psychological burdens.

Tribes are now based on the different myths of Werewolf and ways people become them. Unclearer origins besides muh warriors of Gaia.

You can keep the fighting Giga-Amazon, that shit is cool. But keep the native American fetishism down to a couple tribes. What should keep the game grounded in a common setting is how people idealize identity, deal with emotions and wanting to change and grow by being something or someone else, or grow stagnant. Like I said, I think it'd be more interesting with all the types of mythological shapeshifters. From Werewolf we need the classic horror movie flair with options for the crazier mythological and historical types too.

>>97943866
Nta but ghouls or fellow kindred

>>97943522
It would be retarded if you were unable to get Quintessence from any external source until Prime 3. I go with the Page 332 ruling, but How Do You Do That goes into greater depth, with a whole chapter about Prime shit.

>>97943884
I think part of the issue with stuff like
>condition being bite transmissible
Is that then it'd just be furry vampire. Every other splat has gone out of it's way explicitly to not have vampire-esque propagation of the supernatural even if the vampire embrace is more like ritualistic murder

>>97943341
I forgot that Bach's family had a generational beef with LaCroix. Honestly, LaCroix's backstory makes him seem way more badass than he comes off in game.

>>97943436
Is that from the Netflix series? I don't recall any direct acknowledgement of poverty outside of the family being excommunicated before the events of Castlevania 3.

>>97943455
The Abbey seem too self-centered to have kids to keep the hunt going. They probably have 1-2 kids in their loveless marriage, neglect them, then go back to raping supernaturals to get their rocks off.

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>>97942093
So the Shadow is just this?

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>>97943866
The idea is that the den mother would be an older revenant playing matchmaker and mentor to the newcomers and trying to acclimate the weirdos from the old country into normal human society in a less conspicuous way by pairing them with the right "guides" and programing them to have a good time together after studying or something along those lines only to end up breaking the, reinforced, bed because someone can't keep their potence in check.

>>97944077
It's like that, but also it laughs at you when you do it and attacks all of your self-perceived failings. So it'd be like
>Steeeeaaaal it...
>Lol, lmfao even. You stole it? What a waste of breath. How desperate do you even have to be for that? Your father, if he wasn't already, would be ashamed of you. You should kill yourself for doing this.
The Shadow is there to make you feel bad rather than to just encourage your bad impulses.

>>97943884
>>97944015
Why not make the lycanthropy transmission equivalent to a car wreck? It'd lend itself to the more visceral nature of werewolves.
>>97944141
Clever and fun. Would the den mother have minimal dominant or presence abilities from being a revenant?

>>97944277
Dominate is a must because someone has to delete the memories, Presence is nice to have but not needed in most cases.

>>97944015
>>97944277
I don't mind WtA's breeding stuff but if I were in charge of rewriting it with transmissible lycanthropy I'd have it be that just getting claw'd/bitten by a werewolf isn't enough, the victim needs to put up a good enough resistance to "earn" lycanthropy. This way there's still the risk of accidental infection without the werewolf population exploding, and they'll need to hunt down worthy prey if they want to increase their numbers

Which reason related to their practice of magic would tradition women sleep with dogs? Easy mode: verbena and CoE, Hard mode: the rest and the technocracy branches

>>97944492
Post your hand.

>>97943067
This was the main problem with it. Great high level concept. Trying find the right group who can keep it going for more than 3 sessions incredibly difficult.

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>>97943164
Look, I know enough about women to know it would be a big thing everywhere.

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>>97944488
How would you get accidental lycanthropes? Like the collateral in a chase that tears through a community on the outskirts of a town?
>>97944501
You some kinda hand fetishist?

>>97944492
Syndicate porn star who puts on fetishistic performances for exorbitantly wealthy businessmen as her preferred method of investing in their Ventures and extracting Primal Energy from them. These performances include fucking dogs.

>>97944597
To be fair though, what people masturbate to and what they actually want to do or have done to them are frequently different things. I mean, I fap to dark eldar girls, sororitas and sexy vampire chicks, but that doesn't mean I'd want to be their plaything if they actually existed.

>>97944492
>>97944606
Go away, mr bone gnawer.

>>97944488
>>97944606
Yeah I've read on here before about only worthy resistance getting you the Werewolflu, but I don't know. I think the breeding stuff is kind of iconic at this point, fair enough if you want more folklore accurate werewolves. iirc usually you don't put up a fight and the dude just mauls you to death, so I guess that makes sense. Maybe even have a rite for ritual combat or something to help someone earn lycanthropy? I feel like WoD as a concept with secret societies and shit is super against uncontrollable monsters. We meme on Garou having hair triggers and being prone to violent outbursts but generally you have to really egg a werewolf on to get them to chimp out, and usually they were going to chimp out on you anyway. It's interesting to think about though.
>>97944662
Hey now, he could be greek.

>>97944649
Sororitas are a lot less likely to badend you if you're their plaything, comparatively. A Dark Eldar though? That's Metamorphosis fodder. I'm sure there's a couple of non-edgy sexy vampire girls too.

>>97944488
>>97944606
I'd make it kind of like Cammy vampires.

Ye Olden Woof denies you permission to make new werewolves by performing the relevant Ritual of No Woofs: every human you wound that survives won't automatically become a werewolf.
>How would you get accidental lycanthropes?
Certain predestined humans are ackshually reincarnated werewolves, so even if a Ritual of No Woofs is performed "correctly" it won't work on them specifically.
Or maybe these Chosen Woofs also have to be killed instead of wounded, or they need to be wounded and survive under the relevant moon phase, or whatever.

Anyway, lycanthropy as infection means you don't have to raise from birth every newcomer in your tribe.

>>97944703
>Hey now, he could be greek.
Fuck

>>97944606
I'm sorry if I was racist, mr zorba. I've no prejudice against greeks (just don't like them)

>>97944855
>raise from birth
Do you think G*rou really do this?
>>97944790
I like this funky idea.

>>97944855
>raise from birth every newcomer in your tribe
>He really thinks the group where the entire male population thinks a “pump and dump” is their Gaia-given duty is going to stick around
That’s another reason why those Black Fury bitches are always seething at men.

>>97944492
Dreamspeakers doing a sacred marriage bit for the dog totem

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Fangames of Darkness
https://discord.gg/9VVNZGHxs

>>97944855
Don't worry, even if they won't need to raise (indoctrinate) their kids they'll still find a way to fuck it up, just like vampires. People usually don't the idea of losing their normal life because some furry retard having a melty. You'll be surrounded by enemies in no time!

>>97945316
What's the discord for?

Back on to Promethean for a bit, I actually really enjoy the idea of a group supernaturally draining the vigour from an area, causing general malaise and bad vibes. It's quite potent as an idea and should probably be used elsewhere in both CofD and WoD. Unfortunately, I think Prometheans themselves lack real PC potential save for multi-splat chronicles. This is of course just my opinion.

Since Cain, the first murderer, is the father of vampires, which monsters were created from the first adulterer, first thief, first coveter, et cetera?

>>97943048
It, like Wraith: the Oblivion, is too good for most players. It really should have just been a novel.

>>97943429
Mage: the Awakening also has a messianic figure called the Hieromagus.

>>97945504
>the first adulterer, first thief, first coveter
anon those are all caine too
he covetered the favor god shown abel and he wanted to possess zillah
his entire feeding is to steal blood and in some lore stole from lilth's garden

first adulterer depends if you consider him and Lilith to be together together as they may or may not had kids after all. if not then Zillah might be the first adulterer with Set

>>97943541
Why isn't there an anti-natalist hunter group that tries to prevent more of them from being created?

>>97943573
You would think that mages and sin-eaters (and maybe demons) would be extremely interested in studying them.

Thinskins.. it's always thinskins.. being fucked in the ass would honestly be more preferable than what they turn the thread into. Just let people have their own opinion.

>>97944488
Since werewolves are symbols for puberty-induced rage, serial killers, and rabies, you could easily justify transmissible lycanthropy. The problem is that the majority of the time, werewolves maul their victims to death (and maybe even devour them). Only those who are "lucky" enough to survive an attack will become werewolves too.

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I highly recommend Grim Fandango as inspiration for a noir-inspired Wraith: the Oblivion chronicle.

>>97945504
>>97945538
>first adulterer
God might even be one of those french people that think marital infidelity is based

>>97943204
You just have to attend a mummy orgy.

>>97945544
>Why isn't there an anti-natalist hunter group that tries to prevent more of them from being created?
because they are so few and far between no group can be expected to deal with them on a regular bases. There are only 80 or so of the fuckers across the entire planet.

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>>97945623
It would truly be a World of Darkness if Prometheans were as common as vampires...

>>97945614
>God might even be one of those french people that think marital infidelity is based
give how the marital laws, yeah.

>>97945623
>>97945635
>implying test-tube babies aren't actually mass-produced prometheans

>>97945623
>>97945635
>There are only 80 Prometheans
And yet somehow a game is expected to contain more than 4 of them. I appreciate that at least they're consistently retarded when it comes to the amount of supernatural weirdos in a setting

>>97945623
>>97945651
and there are alchimists around to study them and several books mention how other supernaturals know about them and have opinions on them

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>>97944606
Stupid dog, you're making consensual reality look bad!

>>97945316
What is the best version of princess? I wanted to try running it

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Ok so this got changed to The Body Impolitic in DAV20 because Bloodform is fucking busted, right? "Make limb minions" sounds a lot less busted than "damage near-immunity, climbing, escape, slip through barriers, get cheeky with blood bonds, and fear if you splash anyone"

>>97945815
It was just flat worse than tenebrous form, tho.

>>97945651
>>97945677
They are kind of noticeable when they set up shop somewhere for longer than a couple days at a time.

>>97945855
What if they set up shop in some shithole like Detroit?

>>97945823
This. I don't care if it's "better", there are too many Protean 5 clones out there already, and Bloodform wasn't even the best one.

>>97946059
Vicissitude is just weird. You go from very free form fleshcrafting (1-3) to alt- monster form (4rd dot) and then Protean 5 clone (but worse).

>>97940732
Fucking disgusting. We're counting on you doing your duty and keeping this trash away from here and the tables.

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>>97940607
>incest kinda weird in a fun way

>>97945967
What makes you think there hasn't been one or more squatting there already?

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>>97939949
I'm currently solo RPing through the original Chicago Chronicles as my Transsexual Pornstar Tzimisce is starting to make extremely high quality extreme kindred pornography while achieving missions. Slowly evolve into more insect-like forms for Azhi Dahaka and for my oviposition fetish.

Last session she staked Juggler, took him apart to carry him out more easily in a crate, and filmed a masturbation session with his severed extremities in front of his rooted body to this song. Might make good blackmail material, might try to get in good graces with he Nosferatu and get famous on Schrecknet

https://youtu.be/1vhIZLzAQH4

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>>97946136
>Transsexual Pornstar Tzimisce
Here, have some territory.
No strings attached, jut say "thanks, daddy" in a sexy voice.

>>97946121
Must have been there a long time then

>>97946136
You posted about this before and I though "hey at least he wont get too gross if he needs to look at other people to do that" but you solo is no different then closing your eyes to jerk off.

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>>97940607

>>97946145
Let me tell you about a quaint little town by the name of Centralia...

>>97946136
>Azhi Dahaka
That's just some bullshit tzitrash made up to justify their freakishness, isn't it?

>>97946218
100%

>>97945823
>>97946059
>>97946075
Honestly I'm shocked Serpentis 5 wasn't just "turn into a pile of snakes" to follow the gimmick discipline trend of ripping of Protean 5.

Hunterchads, where do you stand on the issue of if some supernatural creatures can be tolerated and/or redeemed? Do you believe that harmless supernaturals exist, or do you advocate for Total Monster Death?

>>97946248
I think the vampiric clan know as Tremere are a net gain to the world and should be left alone.

t. Hunternaro Huntelino

>>97946248
Harmless in the way a bear is harmless, yes. At least those that are reasonable. If people didn't get moral hang ups everytime we feed scum to a vamp the world would be better

>>97946162
I know this and at the same time I don't.
Is it Black Lagoon?

>>97946234
It should be one big snake, that would be fun.
>SETITES MENTION WOOOO

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>>97946311
Snek

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>>97946248
Mere folk at the bottom of the sea hurt no one,
[Spoiler]They are also the bottom of my water bed[ haha... does that even make sense?Spoiler]

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>>97946151
Nonsense. I cannot currently have a game with other people thanks to my busy schedule, but I decided that since I'm gonna be playing solo then might as well go full magical realm. Jerking off is just a bonus.
>>97946137
I have no idea who this is
>>97946218
N-no...just you wait! Just two more arms and enlightenment is mine for sure this time!

>>97946320
CLEAN IT UP, MUMMY

>>97946321
This is the water, and this is the well.
IT SAYS YOU'RE GAY
The horse is white of the eyes, and dark within.

>>97946424
>I have no idea who this is
American doctor who gave tons of money to a trans youtuber (F1NN5TER) who looked a bit like his own trans son. Also, into age play and similar shit.

>>97946248
Depends, are we talking Hunters or hunters?

Why is it that there's no middle ground with Tziggers? Its or either "Fear the ancient blood mortal, for I am the tyrant of the night who shall conquer the world!" or "I vicissituded myself into a tranny dog and bark at bicycles".
I've never seen a clan potential being so wasted.

>>97946716
Post-1st edition corebook clans are very undercooked. If you think Tz are bad just look at the indies, even worse.

>>97945764
iirc crystal edition was the more playable one.

Chad technocrat vs reality deviant

https://youtu.be/Uw9bny88OuY?si=dGA97L2D8diDXIMo

>>97946234
They have that as a sorcery path

Eyes of the serpent or something it’s in cairo by night if I remember correctly

>>97946716
>Insane sculptors of flesh who were recruited and influenced mainly by nobility and are vamp supremacist only exist in a state of raw worship me energy or living out their most degenerate kink
Nobility is just like this anon

>>97946424
Personally anon I enjoy reading my porn more when it has plot, so I get you.

>>97947018
Soul of the Serpent? A singular Tremere has it as a sorcery path you mean.

SEX WITH SETITES!!!

>>97947018
>Eyes of the serpent
eyes of the serpent is the tremere serpent cult that Sylvia Kilver belongs to which trades thaum secrets for akhu while the path Soul of the Serpent is like >>97947217 said something Sylvia made by combing a setite's egyptian asp (that she ate) with hermetic thaum. so no how to turn into snakes using blood sorcery is not something the setites managed to figure out themselves

which makes sense because before v20 setites had far more limitations on making paths of their own than the tremere

>>97947314
>Try getting in bed with one
>They make you take a cocktail of drugs beforehand
>While you're high they take your wallet and convince you to help them sell drugs to kids
>Afterwards they sleep with you but only when you reach the crime threshold for them

Two questions, one for CofD in general, one for the VtM-Requiem 2e conversion guy if he's around:

1. If I'm grappling someone and they get stunned (for example, with the Headbutt maneuver from Hurt Locker), during the next turn when the opposed roll occurs what happens? My grappling roll is unopposed?

2. In the Conversion Fortitude FAQ it's mentioned that Fortitude adds to the threshold for Arm/Leg Wrack (since those are based on Stamina), but not Staking (since that's 5 damage, fixed).

However, what about Stunned from taking damage to the head? That one is based on Size instead of Stamina, so RAW Fortitude wouldn't raise the threshold... which feels a bit weird?

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>Kraina of Transylvania"The Earth shatters and trembles at my sight!"
>Kraina of Bialowieza: "The forest and its roots are but my extension..."
>Kraina of the Well: "The devils are but the slaves to me and do my bidding!"
>Kraina of Enoch: "I know things that are a thousand times worse than death."
>...
>"Kraina of the Sea:

>>97947508
hey having deep one slaves is cool

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Is there more to Golconda and the Inconnu than being an insular, basement-dwelling, self-centered anon living in separation from the world?
The morality system for Humanity is completely self-centered, it has you avoid doing harm or holding correct thoughts at the highest levels, but it doesn't register the notion of positively touching grass and doing good around the world.

>>97947458
>While you're high they take your wallet
Sounds more like a Ravnos pretending to be a Setite.

>>97947617
>Inconnu
not really the Inconnu even gone so far as to pay a demon to seperate their castle from the world

they are also full of shit and don't have a single member in their leadership who is in golconda
>Golconda
there is one brujah prince who is in golconda and one ventrue who still hangs out with etrius in vienna from time to time, but beside that not really

there are alternative golconda like states but i think the only one with real mechanics is the grail knight one related to via equitum

>>97947617
Just follow Via Caeli or other Christian roads.
Also, Humanity system is aimed at you remaining to be an "average human", instead of frothing mindless cannibal. If you're aiming to be be St. Nicolas helping the poor and needy or St. George actively battling monsters, great. But it doesn't really represent the modern day "average", hence such characters being Humanity 10 or 9.

>>97947659
>one brujah prince who is in golconda
I think he's full of shit too.
>>97947664
The story goes that once you were 8+ you were more humane than most humans.

Look, I get it: morality paths, including Via Humanitas, are focused inwards because it's a battle with the Beast and not the current big and important External Enemy, ok, but why can't I get the Beast to STFU by being a good boy?

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What if the Beast is just the Shadow?

>>97947702
There are paths are like that, motivating you being more proactive at doing good and fighting evil for the Glory of God instead of merely retaining inner good, such as Penitence, Tears, or even Divinitas (and yes, it is kind of ironic that one of the Christian-derived paths ultimately became the predecessor of the abomination that is the Sabbat. But it also serves as a good example of Prelest, now doesnt it?)

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>>97946248
They're all evil, God told me so in a very vague dream I had

>>97947753
As a d*mon hunter Cainite, I approve this message. If getting hit with a brick is necessary to mog and squash d*vils, its a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

>>97947760
>least selfless Salubri

>>97947727
If that were the case it'd subtly tell you a lot of fucked up things about yourself

>>97946309
Yep, the twin assassins who engaged in incest, cannibalism, and role swapping.

>>97947727
there is actually a necromancy ritual that turns a beast into a shadow for a time. it's used to make your rivals want to off themselves

>>97946321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJ1_4pT6vA

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>>97943290
picrel

A weird question: Is it possible for a demon to be unaware of existence of vampires? Like spending so much time in the abyss since dawn of time that its unaware to what happened with Cain, the Antediluvians fucking up everything etc and are exploring these as it escaped hell?

>>97947886
yes demons even have a background about how much stuff they remember and if you have none of that you only remember bits

>>97947886
Demons generally don't know shit about what went on with Caine becoming a vampire and the antediluvians.
Even ignoring that, though, a Legacy 0 demon isn't going to remember what they are, let alone Caine.

>>97946716
Please understand, their Antediluvian infected them with his bloodborne autism on purpose, so he could fulfill both of those stereotypes at the same time come Gehenna.

>>97948021
more like he purged the rest of the clan during the anarch revolt: he secretly wiped out those who been interested in kingship and those that been too esoteric for his tastes leaving only the metamorph freaks

>>97941937
>>97947867
Is fun Raven facts some sort of Toreador obsession?

>>97948035
>ywn see much of the cool Eastern European magnanimous Tzimisce hosts, or spiritual meditating Tzimisce monastics, because some Pre-Noachide chud decided to exterminate them.
I hate the Eldest so damn much....

>>97948035
I think it was a bit more complicated than that, the loyalist faction that lost the Tzimisce civil war were pro-Antediluvian, and had plenty of metamorph fags in their camp too. Tzimisce definitions of "kingship" were always fairly brutal and inefficient to begin with, and the esoteric weirdos absolutely survived into the Sabbat, the Tzimisce were as important as the Lasombra for laying the ground work for the Sabbat's crackhead theology.

We know that the Eldest has viewed his progeny as emergency biomass since the earliest nights, when he allegedly devoured his first childe to survive the deluge. He may have some fondness for some of his childer like The Dracon or Demdemeh, but there is no mercy in his heart. I think he just played both sides of the Tzimisce civil war, even the side that wanted him dusted.

>>97948076
To be fair the "noble" Tzimisce of the past are about as real as the "philosopher" Brujah, which is to say it's largely a fabrication based on a kernel of truth. I've read VTDA. They may have used purple prose more often, but they were always this fucked up.

>>97948076
I bet you think the brujah were great once

>>97948162
>the Tzimisce were as important as the Lasombra for laying the ground work for the Sabbat's crackhead theology.
there is actually a bit in the dark age clan novels that imply that this might have been because of a misunderstanding. most of that crackhead theology is based on the cainite heresy and you see the dracon killed and replaced the leader of the canite heresy and when he meet the protagonists of the last dark age novel and the eldest he was still in that form and after that the canite heresy been suspicously spared most of the damage of the anarch revolt even after the eldest turned the dracon into a fetus

but the dracon HATED the cainite heresy and wanted to destroy them from the inside because they helped destroy the dream so canite theology might based on the same thing as a american dad getting his teenage son merch of the wrong political party because he talks about them so much

>>97948214
Someone clearly doesn't understand the meaning of Carthage.

>>97947727
The Beast is just a supernaturally strengthened Khabit.

>>97947886
to add what said >>97947926 they know that caine broke reality + caused the first malestrom and ruined humanity (and are fully in denial in their own role in that) but according to days of fire the first city (and with that his first embrace) was very likely between the fall and the flood

which makes the title of first city kinda weird given that the tower of babel was before the fall

>>97946084
>dat Innsmouth look

>>97948021
>>97948035
>>97948076
>>97948162
>>97948223
>Turned people into mailboxes for fun
>Turned his clan into bunch of crossbreeds of Dr. Moreau and Necroscope
>Wrapped some dudes fade inside out and then embraced him because he found his response funny
>Deceived and Outdicked a literal fucking devil
>"Lives" like a literal sewer cancer
>Wants to turn entire planet into itself
Literally what's this guy's fucking problem? Why cant he be normal?

>>97948601
Sabbat Complaint Department, have you tried Diablerizing your Antediluvian?

>>97948601
As always, we blame Caine

>>97948601
his sire may or may not threw his beast into him upon embrace and he lost his remaining humanity (yes the guy was on humanity acording to dracon) when he rebirthed himself in his favorite childer after the founder of the warrior salubries did a murder sucicide with him and his(samiel's) coterie because he got spooked by his warghouls during a baali war and afterwards he got raised from fleshy child cainite thing back to adulthood by yorak the biggest metamorphosis freak in the clan and kupala itself

so all in all it's saulot's fault like most things. Probably why the guy also tries to kill the eldest so much

>>97948252
Demon worshipper's greatest ploy

>>97948682
ploy would imply that the baali been sneaky or dishonest about all the shit they did there and we know they weren't because they didn't had to be