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Peerless Phalanx Edition
>Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H
>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/
>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip
>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL
>Previous Thread:
>>97932985
>Thread Question:
What do you think of the Arcane Journal system? Do you prefer smaller but more frequent book releases? Or do you prefer the older Army Book style once an edition release?
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Peep the local book haul. $10 Canadian each, especially hyped for the 4th/5th edition books. I love Facebook marketplace sometimes. Genuinely incredible stuff once in a while.
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>>97943584
Arcane Journals should not exist. We do not need a fucking battlepass for our tabletop games.
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>>97943592
very peamful selection there anon
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>>97943584
>What do you think of the Arcane Journal system
It's basically physical DLC innit. Which I don't mind in and of itself. But with regular releases comes a hype cycle and with a hype cycle comes the consoomers who shit up the hobby. So all things considered I preferred when it was one army book every 6 months or so, which was its own form of gatekeeping and made for a very comfy game.
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>>97943625
Interesting kitbash. Looks like the 6th ed Questing Knight ornament on the "Agravain de Beaumarchais" QK champ torso/legs, with the arm of the KOTR standard bearer, and a greenstuff-sculpted hand over an infantry standard's fleur de lys as the lance tip. Beautiful rider. That use of the 6e horse body aggravates me greatly though, stupid fucking shield pattern on the caparison and useless leather straps. The handful of models that went into this kitbash are like $250 today btw.
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>>97943625
Spear
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Javelin/throwing spear
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Pike
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Lance
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>>97943584
>>Thread Question:
>What do you think of the Arcane Journal system?
it's shit, there's not enough space in them to have any substance on any given topic and they waste that little space to a disgusting degree. the rules they get are minimal, stuff that once would have been handed out in a white dwarf article.
>Do you prefer smaller but more frequent book releases?
no.
>Or do you prefer the older Army Book style once an edition release?
7th edition had the best armybooks to me, if I count everything BUT the balance
I want fluff dense books full of shit and good artworks.
TOW is a time period that asks for a more in-depth exploration of a status quo that's meant to be different from the one people are used to, and cathay is a brand new faction that is begging for a sourcebook that actually adds depth to it, and yet they have done absolutely fucking nothing but release tie-in booklets for model releases.
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>>97943728
>cathay is a brand new faction that is begging for a sourcebook that actually adds depth to it, and yet they have done absolutely fucking nothing but release tie-in booklets for model releases.
C7 really needs to release an RPG sourcebook for Cathay to flesh it out. What are they waiting for?
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>>97943725
Wood elves are just twinks who want to be left alone, anyone who gets killed by one had it coming.
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>>97943873
If you think one Wood Elf is cute, if you played Warhammer: The Old World (or Warhammer: Fantasy Battles) you could play an entire army of people who look and act just like her!
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>>97943887
>Painting the base green
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>>97944070
Yeah, those anons are retarded. They are influenced by Celtic druids and tolkiens Mirkwood elves.
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Going to repost the question I asked in the last thread: What's a good way to play Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay online? I tried using Foundry, but the module there is overly automated and seems to expect you to actually buy things. Is there a better alternative?
Also, I should probably add: Is there a way to just pirate the paid modules?
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>>97943584
>TQ
I like them overall. They bring more frequent updates than the standard edition cycle would for armies. Their quality is definitely a mixed bag however, especially early on, but the newer ones have been better in my eyes.
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>>97944203
Imagine being a consumer-whore.
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>>97944231
>white dwarf article
You don’t see the problem with that? So it’s on sale for 1 month then after that where do you get the rules if you’re a new player? Battle March being tailored for newcomers would make no sense releasing in a limited monthly magazine. That absolutely needs to be in an evergreen book.
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>>97944242
Because fucking magazines are hard to get, sure.
Better to gate small updates to expensive books for "inclusivity" since GW can't just give out a pdf after if leaves print.
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>>97944251
After the month they are in print yes. It’s not as easy as going into a shop and buying the book. Which is why it makes sense for the AJ.
>>97944254
>no one who’s buying the battlemarch book is going to use it for battlemarch
Lmao
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>>97944271
The local shop still has magazines from like four months ago. No one's actually buying them because it's all AoS/40k bullshit. Putting Old World content in WD would actually be beneficial for moving stock and prevent shitty sparse $30 books being hucked at us repeatedly.
It's not like WD compendiums didn't exist before for when enough amass. But again GW could just have these articles as pdf downloads a month after the WD goes to print. They don't out of greed.
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>>97944271
It’s a Cathay book first and foremost. Oh yeah, I’m sure people are also happy to spend more than $90, $30 more than a codex for what are essentially updates that are somehow more sparse than what some factions get for a data slate in 40k.
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>>97944284
Right but realistically that isn’t happening. WD is an advertisement for 40k first and foremost and AoS when 40k doesn’t have releases. Ideally we’d go back to the old fantasy white dwarf content drops but that isn’t happening as a specialist game.
>>97944292
Is it really $30 in the us? Here I get them for just under 30 Canadian, so it’s like $22 USD. $22 once ever 3-4 months really isn’t some kind of exorbitant price even if you have a part time job.
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>>97944303
Unlike you I’m not exactly happy to shill out for the old world at a moments notice. I will pay for shit what is worth its due, and arcane journals are not that. I was pissed when I read the “treatment” warriors of chaos got with their respective journals that I took a break from tow altogether. If something similar happened where I would need to buy several arcane journals for a different army I’d outright dismiss tow entirely. This stuff could be a pdf at best.
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>>97944344
That’s fine, no one is asking you to shill. In fact most of the AJ’s are available here for free in the form of pdfs as is. I’m just saying that $25ish bucks every 3-4 months isn’t some crazy scam price that you’re making it out to be.
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>>97944303
>Is it really $30 in the us?
If you have to ask "would GW really charge that much?" the answer is either gonna be yes or slightly more.
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>>97944406
Yeah so like $25 with the FLGS discount. Nobody buys direct from GW anyways. Even the online only stuff you can just ask your local store to special order for you and they usually give you 10% off as well.
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>>97944493
Most flgs I've seen don't do discounts.
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>>97944508
And most stores I walk into don't do discounts.
The only one is like 40 minutes away by car, so I either buy full msrp or get it from an online retailer.
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>>97944535
The caveat with buying online is you have to spend more to get your shipping covered or the price of it will be more than the small discount.
Which means buying more than you really wanted to.
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>>97944548
Yeah I suppose that is a fair point. IDK where you live but I live in a medium sized Canadian city and there is like 2 different big stores that do 15% off and one that advertises 15% but if you buy in store they do 20% ( because GW won't let them go lower ). So I guess I am just surprised that in the USA, which I consider to be a much better consumer market, you are having this problem.
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>>97944630
Counterpoint: it's fun to paint cute girls.
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>>97944605
To stay anonymous. There are non-evil "black knights" in Bretonnia who take the Questing/Exile Vows to redeem themselves and hide their heraldry in shame and go all-black, kind of like the Black Shields in the Deathwatch from 40k. One theory from the Full Tilt game book is that Gilles le Breton/Green Knight does this to compete in tournaments anonymously because there's a gigachad black knight who always wins. Probably hides his power level with illusion magic and wears beat-up regular KOTR armor to blend in.
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>>97944630
This is the most autistic thing I will ever admit to but female miniatures bothers me.
Having built an 40k elf army it bothers me to have to go back and confirm that the female sculpt aren't over-represented in either close combat or ranged roles.
As I say, it is extremely autistic and bothers me.
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>TQ
My thoughts on Arcane Journals are extremely mixed. On the one hand, more rules is fun, a secondary revenue stream for the company is good (anything to dispel the notion that WHFB isn't profitable), and it's nice to get more books in general, because, in theory at least, more books = higher chances for good books to be released. On the other, Chaos has received two AJs and they were both rancid butt-ass. Wolves of the Sea was a mistake, Heralds of Darkness is utterly worthless, Chaotic Traits are a great idea that was utterly wasted because half of them are useless, one of them is objectively overpowered but requires you to engage in rules shenaniganery to make the most of it, and Daemon Princes aren't allowed to take them (Why!? They're Daemon Princes! You're telling me some shitter marauders can have a CT, but a DP having one is beyond the pale?), the things they did to marauders could be classified as war crimes, and every bit of fluff they've written about Chaos for TOW (with the possible exception of that one story about the twins, which still wasn't great) has just been awful. As for the other AJs, it's cool that they exist but the extremely low page count often means that buying them just isn't worth it. The matched play guide was kinda cool (GW really ought to keep its grubby mitts off of the competitive scene, the community is already handling that just fine) and the little side-modes and options they've been releasing through the more generic AJs are also nice. However, having to bring all these books to a game is annoying. I don't think this whole business model is going to continue if/when TOW gets a second edition.
This all being said, for the love of God, just start making proper army books again. The Forces of Fantasy/Ravening Horde books were an awful idea and AJs are absolutely not a substitute for a good army book.
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>>97944779
Amazing, not a single word in your post refers to anything I actually typed. Go read what the traits do, anon. They're not well designed regardless of how good or bad they are. They're not fun because half them literally don't do anything/can only be taken on specific units, the one trait everyone agrees is overpowered (unnatural fortitude, if you're too retarded to look at them for yourself) is either a must-take or only good because of a technicality), and in general they're far too restrictive. That has nothing to do with WAACfaggery, you absolute chimp. Never reply to me again.
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>TQ
I like the AJ format overall as it keeps the games traffic at a nice steady oace. Ironically, while I found the Chaos AJ naff, I realy liked the Orc and Goblin AJ quite nice. A charming little book and Kikknik was cool.
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>>97944824
NTA but I would actually say WoC is one of the few armies I'm ok with have a couple women models for. The two armies I think make sense to have a larger percentage of front line women are Tomb Kings and dwarfs. Dwarfs only because in siege situations the women would naturally join to defend the hold. Women shouldn't be in front line positionsand I say that as the beastwomen player where the contradiction is the point
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>>97944843
Again, you've managed to read and respond to words that were never included in any of my posts. No, anon! I don't want anything to be removed! I want what's been added to the game to be fun and interesting! Chaotic Traits aren't fun or interesting! They're restrictive! They're lame! WAACfags only use 2 of them because the rest are either a) designed bad on purpose or b) just bad. Tell me, why are the Longstriders and Unnatrual Fortitude traits only usable by marauders, marauder horsemen, and characters wearing the Armour of Meteoric Iron, the Armour of Silvered Steel, and the Glittering Scales? Why does Battle Reflexes only apply to hand weapons? Why can't Daemon Princes take any traits? Why does Battle Hunger, the single coolest and most interesting Chaotic Trait, only work if every model in a unit has it? The answer to every single one of these questions has absolutely nothing to do with balance or WAACfaggotry and I don't want any of these, or the other traits I didn't mention, to be removed. I want them to be cool! I want them to be fun! I want you to actually read the words that are actually written in posts instead of reading words you have conjured up from the aether!
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>window shopping at a game store
>come across the Roleplay books
>Player’s Guide for Warhammer Dwarves and Elves
>just a big lore book for both factions
>the Dwarf one I flipped through even had a word key for common translating common dwarf words into English
Damn is it only Dwarves and Elves? I might pick up the Dwarf one eventually once I get back around to my box of Warriors.
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>>97944880
I think Fromsoftware’s catalogue consistently proves that people are fine with women warriors in dark fantasy settings, it’s just a matter of presentation. I think Warhammer constantly “fails” at adding more of them because it’s clear that they’re doing it out of obligation to outside forces instead of making a decision to enrich the setting.
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>>97945311
I'll push back against that in an important way. People have always been ok with women Heroes and Villains. And those heroes can be warriors or fighters. It's the generic women warriors that get the hate.
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>>97945311
But that's not clear at all? They haven't crammed TOW full of women. The French ladies have been part of the setting for ages and Miao Ying was introduced in Total Warhammer years before TOW started. The new characters are what, that new Elf pirate lady and Frydaal? Both of whom are totally standard characters who just are women and it's not important to their stories. Like, how would them being men "enrich the setting" more than them being women?
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>>97945350
>men and women have different proportioned skeletons
Not exactly. Men and women have different proportion ranges, but there is significant overlap. It's often difficult to definitively sex a skeleton if there aren't any other markers of gender found with it.
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>>97945371
Elves aren't human and Frydaal has damn horns so she clearly has the blessings of the Chaos gods, giving her greater strength than ordinary mortals.
Sorry anon, your excuses don't work. You just aren't very fond of women.
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>>97945342
I mean, even AI can tell the difference.
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>>97945381
You're right, I'm not.
Plus Chaos humans, how lame, a shortcut to make them look like they can be uscular killing machines, like putting a female head on a Custodes, doesn't make them realist.
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>>97945388
Lol, AI tries lots of different things to make this happen. Each kind of works.
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>>97945390
oh yeah, 100%.
>>97945393
ah, you're an AI enthusiast. Well that certainly makes sense.
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>>97945424
No.
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>>97945400
heh, show one AI pic I'm an enthusiast.
what if I show a picture of a dog, does that make me a furry?
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>>97945329
Yes. Which is why most chuds aren't sperging out about
>>97945381
Because a woman mutated by Chaos doesn't imply that in the Warhammer universe men and women are the same like it absolutely does in AoS where every other front line grunt is a woman.
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>>97945438
Also reminds me what ever happened to this bitch she's pretty cool
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>>97945445
No need, I don't think you're worth the effort.
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>>97945363
It’s pretty clear I’m saying people are fine with it if it’s presented well. Miao Ying was presented well, it’s why people liked her in Total War and her model stole the show at Adepticon when it was revealed.
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>>97945442
lol, you just reminded me of the "controversy" that happened with her trailer for TWW3. All the cinematic shit they had put out for the other DLCs showed the new things kicking ass in some way, but hers showed her taking non-stop Ls so people were pissed.
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>>97945465
>devianca and tunnel rodents keeping AoS alive
The only thing that the customer base likes really.
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>>97945492
There are few WFB trannies and many AoS trannies. WFB players trend older, more /his/-interested, and somewhat more conservative, and AoStrannies trend younger and more retarded and gay, to the point they don't even think twice about creatures like picrel being in the Empire of Man's Not!Valhalla afterlife. This is an easy pattern to recognize.
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>>97945514
>they don't even think twice about creatures like picrel being in the Empire of Man's Not!Valhalla afterlife.
man just fucking nut up and say you're racist. Trying to justify it by being wrong about the lore just makes you look like a tourist. Wich you are, of course, but do a better job at pretending.
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>>97945539
Lmao, Fantasy has a more ethnically and cutirally diverse world and you just want everyone to be different shades of Altdorf.
Dumbass.
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>>97945466
The problem is when it sucks. When Lords of the Lance added female Grail Knights it was dumb because they didn’t need to throw away Bretonnia’s culture to add women combatants in their army before. They smoothed over a “rough” edge of the faction for no real reason other than appeasing modern sensibilities.
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>>97945548
See, this is what I mean. The whole backstory of AoS is about massive migrations and refugee crises. Humans from all over the Realms fled to Azyr during the Age of Chaos and then were unleashed back on the Realms during the Age of Sigmar. Cities grow and send out Dawnbringer Crusades to go found new cities, and along the way they sometimes meet and incorporate tribes of humans who survived the Age of Chaos. Cities fall and the survivors flee to nearby safety. Every single human settlement in AoS outside of Azyr was settled by the descendants of refugees from all over the Realms.
The AoS lore basically demands diversity in human settlements.
So, as I said, just admit you don't like black people. Don't act like the lore justifies it, because you are incontrovertibly wrong.
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>>97945552
OK so there is no actual trend in TOW to be mad about, you're mad about one bad book that GW hasn't even rereleased in paperback.
Jesus christ, you know GW needs to drop some TOW news when the thread is this fucking braindead.
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>>97945539
>being wrong about the lore
Lol. Yes, absolutely, I'm sure there's a fascinating, rivetingly well-explained reason absolutely CRUCIAL to the rich and deep millennial English major's cumrag lore as to why Sigmar has a bunch of pygmies and Southlanders in his nu-human Empire instead of, y'know, the Men of the Empire, who are literally his blood relatives. You can be a brownoid Warhammer Fantasy/TOW player without needing to smear shit all over the setting, there are several established nonwhite and non-human factions to choose from if you can't help but seethe over the White people factions being homogenous in a setting created by White people.
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>reddit spacing
>crying about mass migration and refugees on fucking /tg/
You are one miserable little faggot, aren't you? Sigmarites were exclusively fair-skinned Men of the Empire, I don't care what your cynically written corpokike faggot pulp says to justify shoehorning different real-life ethnicities into their dogshit.
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>>97944638
In order to get cute girls out of warhammer female miniatures, you need to bend over backwards, metaphorically speaking. The sheer amount of effort required to not get an ugly face makes the whole process a gigantic pain the ass.
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I dont actually like how they just dropped female soldiers in cathay. Miao ying I can ignore because named characters are gay (doubly so for primarchs), but not giving gendered roles is just fucking awful and put me off from the army altogether. that little nuance just irks me, harmony mechanics would be more important than weapon gear to me.
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This is why Myrmidia is objectively the superior deity.
>racially diverse
>has cute girl soldiers
>your deity is sexy
>you likely live in a place with good weather and food instead of the Empire
GW still ignoring the southern realms just shows they're creatively bankrupt.
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>>97945572
You could have always just posted something else and ignored the comment chain instead of having a fit. You chose to get involved in the conversation and are now blaming everyone else that you got mad about it.
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>>97945625
Boring!
This isn't 40k. CoS was fun when you could mix and match elf and dwarf and human units and take coalition units from all over the place so you could fluff up your own fun unique city-state.
Now all it is and apparently is gonna be according to leaks is "40k imperium but medieval" which is awful.
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>>97945629
Hey, I'm just trying to defend this woke game from secondaries upset that it has women like it always has.
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>>97945620
So you're telling me Sigmar, whose followers are entirely, 100% fair-skinned, decided his factions weren't brown enough and created a bunch of brown human followers to make into land marines and populate his lame ass cities? Yeah, makes sense, totally. Dumb faggot consumer.
>>97945625
Cynically written by hateful anti-White soilennial faggots with an agenda, not necessarily cynical in its tone.
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>>97945381
think I finally figured out what's so dull about this model
it's just this 40k model (the bog standard chaos lord) but with a woman's face instead of a helmet
like hell they barely changed a thing
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>>97945620
And where exactly did all these brown people come from?
>It's a whole different setting, man.
It's based on the Warhammer world, whose Sigmarites are based on Western Europe. Why the fuck is the Sigmarite afterlife so brown?
>>97945654
Every non-Chaos human fucking died when Archaon literally destroyed the fucking planet, literally every city and town was destroyed, where else did they come from? If the Empire of Man fell, how the fuck would Southlander retards have survived? Go ahead and cite Daishiki Shitto the Stormcast's novel, I genuinely want an explanation.
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>>97945671
Not him, but there were already people living in the realms before the endtimes. Also not everyone died in the endtimes before the planet blew up, people had ways to transporting to other realms, not even just the ones in Aos. A handful of bretonians if I remember followed into some pocket dimension entirely.
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>>97945671
Sigmarite afterlife? What the fuck are you talking about? The Mortal Realms aren't the afterlife of Fantasy. And the first humans in the Mortal Realms weren't Sigmarites. They were scattered tribes until Sigmar showed up and helped them build great civilizations.
Do you see what I mean about you not knowing shit about the lore?
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>>97945665
yeah it is very stupid looking, the guy has on all this decorative stuff like tassels and skulls but he's wearing a flimsy cloak full of holes? just because he's edgy ig?
>>97945680
we all know the history ofc but these two models have a lot in common: the posing, the foot up on the rock, the position of the cloak, the horns, the fur being exactly the same on the shoulders, etc...
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>>97945658
No. They have a similar (not identical) pose, but that's it. What bothers me about it is
>Horizon Zero Estrogen face + looks round/fat/bloated despite being a roided muscle Stacy + buck teeth
>her "Chaos flail" has 7 points
>she's supposed to be a Chaos Champion yet is wearing bog-standard Chaos Armor
>Korean MMO titty armor without being titty armor, again, she's supposed to be a Chaos Champion and yet her midsection is only covered in maille and a gay tabard
>universal "new TOW model" fat leg syndrome
I don't care for her. Helga Clovenhoof or whatever is basically the same thing but better.
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>there was just another planet full of humans who happened to still be alive, but also entirely unrelated to the Warhammer world's inhabitants, but also some of THEM survived too
>also Sigmar literally creates land marine angels out of Sigmarite souls now, but it's not the Sigmarite afterlife, it's just Warhammer World #2 except with worse maps and zero lore
Even more retarded than I thought.
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>>97945701
Anon. The Mortal Realms aren't a planet.
And the humans Sigmar finds in them weren't surviivors of The End Times, they were native to the Mortal Realms.
And the souls Sigmar forges into Stormcaat aren't from The Old World, they're from people who lived and died in the Mortal Realms.
Bit yeah clearly your knowledge of the lore is unquestionable, you aren't just some shitstirring tourist
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>>97945761
It's an anonymous image board, you don't need to respond. You could just drop it and get in on the next topic and no one would ever know. But to spend so long arguing about AoS lore only to go "actually AoS lore is dumb so I don't care" after your ignorance was revealed is the move of the bitchless.
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>>97945782
Not sure if samefagging or if this is an /aosg/ raid at this point, but this is the fucking Warhammer Fantasy thread. You have your own thread. Trannies >>>/out/
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>>97945794
>posted it again award
Cool paintjobs and kitbashes, now let's look at the actual models, shall we? Oh n–
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>>97945701
AoS has almost nothing to do with WHF.
It's more connected to Fantasy than Fantasy is to 40k but that's really not saying much. The connections exist almost entirely for marketing reasons. AoS is first and foremost a sandbox setting that you can put any fantasy models you like in, no matter how outlandish or disconnected from existing lore.
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>>97945543
For you, now.
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>>97945835
NTA but I've traveled around the central midwest US recently and I have literally never seen anyone play AoS except maybe a couple times, and I don't think they were even proper games because there were like 20 models on the table in total. Saw AoS product literally collecting dust in most places, and one shop in a relatively major city literally made a throne out of their unsold Skaventide boxes that stayed perfectly untouched for a month. Only wargames around here other than historicals are 40k and grogs playing WFB.
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>>97945821
>AoS gets continuous waves of new models and boxes
>Selling Fast! for years
>TOW gets Cathay
>instantly sold out online, anon last thread went feral when he found the last box at his LGS
Your cope is getting kinda pathetic
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>>97945894
I wish I could like Cathay but assembling their kits should count as self harm.
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>>97945907
Is Cathay especially egregious or is that relative to the older kits which are a joy to assemble. Because I really REALLY did not like assembling the Royal Pegasus BSB kit. Modern GW kits are anti fun for assembling
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>>97945809
I saw it. It is the marauders' journal, so normal things would be more for them and with some scraps for the Warriors.
I play Beastmen, so being stuck with the hand weapon while having some cool ability is normal, and also it would be a unbalanced having a magic weapon that can be hitting at +2 init.
The others seems all right to me, keeping in mind the focus on marauders. Warriors/knights striking at +2 init or having a simili swiftstride or even giving a -1 Ld for break test is pretty intresting
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>>97945921
>feels genuine pity for those who mocked him, knowing what it feels like
Common WFB moral superiority moment. Can't say I'm sad to see the "setting" go though, what a horrible mess.
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>>97945926
Oh yeah fuck the way they design new GW kits across the board. What a disaster. They look amazing put together but what a joyless experience.
>>97945931
Yeah the setting is a mess, but the game itself is even worse. It's somehow less enjoyable than 10th edition 40k.
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>>97945936
A lot of modern kits look amazing, Gw just copied Malifaux's horrible slicing.
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>>97945971
How fast did Skaventide sell?
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>>97945975
If you need to believe that AoS is dead and only gets way more new releases than TOW just because people buy them except they don't buy them ever, and even when they do buy them it doesn't count, and that makes you feel better about the slow TOW release schedule, then go for it my sister in christ.
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>>97945971
I believe that, Spearhead has overshadowed AoS in terms of popularity for sure. Which is funny how AoS players think this is a win. 4th has seen actual AoS decline massively in popularity, while Spearhead has surged in popularity. City of Ash being the Spearhead starter set.
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>>97945987
Once again, GW release schedules are planned years ahead. If you want to see how well AoS sells relative to new TOW factions (ie Cathay), you're going to have to wait more than a year to see the result of it coming out of the production pipeline.
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Can we go back discussing Old World stuff?
Check out this herdstone I am working on, gonna add a few more runes and place a skull or two somewhere
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>>97946014
Here’s the other side of it
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>>97946027
Agrax would probably be a safer bet but ideally test both on something you paint the same way as the herdstone. Nuln would probably be good too, but my last batch finished somewhat glossy so I am hesitant. Test them either way first.
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>>97946030
It can also be easily removed for ease in transportation
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>>97946033
I’ll test some shading
Centigors are also WIP, slowly getting them ready for battle
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>>97943584
TQ
I don't have much of an answer yet.
I'm worried more frequent rules updates could in theory result in greater power/scope creep than with Army Books (if you assume there's a powercreep every iteration of the rules, and there's more iterations = faster creep).
But in practice I don't think that's happened. So that seems good.
But it atomizes the rules and also LORE. Army Books seems to incentivize more effort into developing the direction of an army's lore, and then more careful consideration of how that lore is expressed in rules. I'm loretistic, so I care about that.
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Got 500 points of my beastieboys painted and about another 50 - 100 half done. Starting to think about my baggage train.
Gors pulling a wagon of corpses or gors pulling a sack with hand bursting through and digging into the ground making claw marks?
Me thinks the later
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>>97943584
they've been fine for this 'nostalgia' edition aimed at grogs who know the lore but they should be scrapped moving forwards and some effort should be put back into the army books. I'm not even bothered about hardbacks but the lore has suffered this edition and most new players still have no clue what their faction is about since the lore is split between the rulebook, 5 pages in a journal and two pages in the hordes books.
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>>97945894
>>TOW gets Cathay
>>instantly sold out online, anon last thread went feral when he found the last box at his LGS
Yeah, about that...
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>>97945582
By any chance have you previously argued that skeletons shouldn't exist in aos because they'd get eaten or something
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>>97946359
>popular kit gets restocked
>one (1) store in yuropooria has a big discount on their stock of 3 boxes
>Heh... your chuddie game is DOOMED pal.
Meanwhile GW interns were (probably still are) literally begging tourneyfags to take Skaventide stock off their hands for free. Dying tranny game is irrelevant
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>>97946370
More like I didn't understand where the fuck all the human bodies were coming from to supply Nagash with an entire realm of infinite size full of skeletons. I guess they manufacture them at the Mortuary Factory!
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Anyone happens to have pictures of Chaos Warrior miniatures with their horns removed? I'm thinking about making their helmets smooth and cover them in Chaos runes but I was wondering how they will look painted.
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>>97946388
I guess I just don't understand why you feel so strongly about the y'know background and "how things work" of a setting you self-admittedly know so little about. Like why?
Don't get me wrong I fully understand disliking aos, I just find it strange that you go around inventing essentially your own homebrew aos lore to then also get mad about. Why not just get mad about the real thing? I remember being perplexed about the skeleton example too because it was just so odd.
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>>97946359
Is being shocked with discount an Ameridumb thing? I live in Benelux and almost all stores have flat 20% discount on GW shit no matter how well it's selling. All the battalion boxes I bought were priced 110EUR.
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>>97946411
>the real thing
Don't even imply the "real" pulp (I don't even want to call it fluff, that's giving too much credit) is even slightly better or more coherent. Your dying "setting" is the laughingstock of /tg/.
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>>97946420
Jesus, what a skill issue. Tafelridder has 20%, vliegeruit has 15%, lamargames has 20%, tabletoprealm has 20%. There are at least a few other stores in the NL alone with 15-20% discount. Cheese golems, I beg you to use your brains for once. I know it's fun to do crack and fuck your sisters while Slavic immigrants babysit you but it won't last forever.
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>>97946449
>No they don't
Seems like they do on most of their products but you are right it's not on all of them apparently. The last time I bought from them they had 20% on everything.
>>97946453
>and there is no greater honour for us than doing menial, manual labour for western europeans
I wish it was only labour. I spend my days babysitting people and explaining to them how to use JIRA and SAP without taking a 2-hour long break for some crack-fueled incest action in the meantime
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>>97946399
Let me reiterate: GW, Games Workshop, is giving away boxes of shit FOR FREE to any tourneyfag who wants it. That sound like a good sign to you? But yeah, Cathay is on 15% discount at a couple stores in Poland so it's le over.
>>97946439
I do not care to read AoS pulp even just to make fun of it more accurately. Game is shit, pulp is shit, fanbase is overwhelmingly literally trans/gay, all their models that aren't a 1:1 refresh of existing WFB ones are shit, that's all I need to know. You can stop shitting up the thread now.
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>>97946461
I'm not shitting up anything, I thought we were having a constructive conversation
>I will continue spending my days getting mad about a strawman which I *know* to be a strawman
No skin off of my back I'm just interested in why someone would do that
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>>97946465
I'm biased because 6th-8th was when Stillmaniac Bretonnia kino died and mudcore medieval filter ahistorical pop fantasy took over. Literally every model in the range got worse, and Questing Knights became a weird sidegrade instead of part of the Errant -> KOTR -> QK -> GK progression tree. Then they shelved Bretonnia entirely when they were done shitting it up.
That being said, 6th is still the gold standard in terms of gameplay. TOW isn't so bad either aside from the shrimplified magic.
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Pulp is kino, do not liken it to AoS.
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>>97946472
My mistake. Constant /aosg/ayboy raids today. But yeah, I mostly shit on AoS for the shit models, shit gameplay, shit community, and creative bankruptcy in general, that's hardly a strawman, though you're right about my willful ignorance. I will never ever read tranny game's "lore," just like I'll never read the absolute vitriolic slop that was the End Times novels. I don't need to be a "lore" master to know I hate that faggot game and everything it stands for, it's simply not for me. I'm just as baffled that anyone actually enjoys total fucking slop like Idoneth or ICoS.
>>97946495
Tuomas-sama is a /his/bro and a total fucking chad, he was not responsible for mudcore Bretonnia, that would be Anthony Reynolds.
>>97946499
My apologies elder-grog.
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>>97946522
He might not have been responsible for mudcore bretonnia, but he set the stage for the setting to become way darker and grittier than 5th, and that lead to mudcore bretonnia.
I should mention I don't care about brets one way or the other desu, I am a massive Empirefag at heart and both permutations of Bretonnia are boring to me.
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>>97946522
To each their own
One final question, are you the guy that periodically goes "I wish warhammer fantasy was real and I could live there vgh"?
The writing style is superficially similar but I'm not sure and it's been bugging me
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>>97946464
You are welcome Jop. I will add the Google search training to my repertoire.
Mayonnaise-bashing aside, there are stores in Germany buying shit from Poland and selling it with 20% discount as well. Shipping is as cheap as 7-8EUR per order and Dutch stores offer free shipping for orders of 100EUR+ only so it's often a better deal to buy from real Germany than here in the handicapped Germany anyway.
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>>97945139
Yeah I feel like the RPG sourcebooks are at least as evocative as the army books when it comes to inspiring people to start/expand their collections. It's a shame GW will only ever acknowledge them in passing because they're written by third parties and aren't integrated with the big GW marketing machine.
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>>97945552
Even beyond that, that book was such lazy, last minute, paid-by-the-word garbage. The fact the author couldn't even be bothered to remember TOW is supposed to happen 200 years before SoC/ET is so incredibly funny. And some people have the gall to pretend anything that comes from BL is anything other than long form ads for plastic toys.
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>>97945658
I've been saying the same for ages
She's a male chaos warrior body with a female head plonked on. About as low-effort as the 40gay crowd's female space marine conversions. If she actually looked feminine and was distinct from male chaos warriors in some way she'd be great, see: Elysse, Valkia, handmaiden of the everqueen, handmaiden of the lady, hell even the female model from the wurmspat.
But no, we get "generic chaos warrior C with girlboss head, oh btw she's the big bad of the setting get used to it". Incredible disappointment, chaos deserved better, female miniatures deserved better.
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>>97945139
Archives of Empire vol2 has a bit about Orgres, Orcs and Goblins, has an entire book called Tribes and tribulations which focuses on specific tribes, including the Dogs of War Hobgoblins
Wood Elves have basically nothing for WFRP
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>>97946359
could be worse, could be HH
pic is from a shop in Japan
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I'm glad the goblin cheese strat hasn't been used for decades.
For context, that that was the practice of taking 5 minimum cost goblin melee heroes to make up the whole of the front rank of a goblin unit so the enemy had to divide attacks and couldn't focus on one nor pick off the shittt goblins in the back.
I think it died with 7th's slot system and then never came back with 8th.
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>>97946701
There was actually some pretty good tech into that you might not have been aware of that every army bar high and wood elves had access to,
You could actually reach over the table and beat that motherbitch to fuck death and then put your penis inside his MtF girlfriends bussy.
Helves and Woodies can't because their wrists would snap
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>Check general after several years
>The resident autist is still fighting ghosts and having his daily melty about AoS.
Damn figured you fags might have some leaks, my mistake. Back to painting Orcs.
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I think Cathay is done for a year, year and a half at least. It has a full range now, it's good to go. My bet is the rest of this year is going to be bringing other Core armies up to snuff and the promotion of Dark Elfs to Core.
Maybe Kislev wave 1 in November/December, mostly because AoS would be entering the end of edition narrative and 40k just finally ramping up out of post-edition launch doldrums, so they'd be getting reasonable but not huge releases so something like Kislev would fit in there. But I wouldn't bet money on that.
To be honest I think holding Kislev back until the other armies are in a little better place would benefit the whole game. Cathay was huge, it put TOW on the map and established that this wasn't a side project for Grogs that was going to get forgotten about like, fuckin, Aeronautica Imperialis or whatever. That was good. But it did shine a light on how rough some of the model ranges are. So when they do the next big splashy new army, it would be better if, for example, a Tomb King army didn't look ridiculously cartoony. That way when it gets people's eyes back on the game, even if they don go with Kislev they'll still be like, "oh damn, this game looks a lot more up to date than it did last time I hear about it"
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Had an fun and amazing 1000p game against Dark Elves today, my Beastmen was met with some deadly force. We played a regular pitched battle and my opponent used the renegade ruleset for his DElves.
It was a very swingy battle but in the end I scraped out a victory due to my Bestigor unit camping on one of the objectives, mainly dueme failing my charges because his unit of warriors fleeing every turnso they remained in place to snag points.
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>I think Cathay is done for a year, year and a half at least. It has a full range now, it's good to go.
>no sky junk
>no special characters upgrade sprues for the sentinel
>no zhao ming
>no shugayngan on foot
>no light ligmas cavalry
>no crossbows upgrade sprue for jade warriors
>no celestial dragon guard
>no war compass/war drum kit
>no lion statue
>no alchemists
>no white tigress
>no tiger priest
>no tiger warriors
>no crowmen unit
>no moon bird
>no celestial lion
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>>97947238
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how GW works now. If an army sells well on its initial run, it will get more units until it stops selling. If it doesn't sell, it will get a pity hero or a warcry/underworlds/kill team release occasionally when its new book rolls around.
Look at Lumineth vs. Idoneth for AOS. Or just 40k in general. So there will be lots more Cathay and there will not be bringing the other Core armies up to snuff.
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>>97947312
None of the shit is really needed in the next year though
Cathay is basically in the same state now as a lot of 1st edition aos armies. Tow makes a lot more efficient use of sprues (since just copying them is less of a problem because of ranknflank) so I don't think it'll be quite as long until they get touched again, but for now they're fine.
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My champion is done, he will lead the joined force of beastmen and warriors till I hit ~1,5k mark. He's a little bit tilted but it's to late to change it now (I don't want to fuck up this dude any more). I should have done more dry fitting.
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>>97947463
I really like how warm the gold looks. You did a great job with the scratch-marks on the armour too. Good stuff, anon! You may want to pass over the red bits again, the coat is a bit see-through in certain places, but you still painted up a lovely chaos champion. May he take many skulls in Khorne's name!
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>>97944630
Women infantry don't make sense, nor archers because using a long bow (or any bow) takes a lot of fucking upper body strength women just don't have
I actually don't think women knights would be that big of a deal though. The lance and the impact of the horse do 99% of the work, even a woman can hold that shit (armor doesn't weigh that much and she is riding a fucking horse), in combat she is striking from the height advantage and any knight pulled off the horse is basically fucked anyway.
But there is like no circumstance that involves infantry work were women make sense
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>>97947339
>Look at Lumineth vs. Idoneth
Lumineth got a split release, it had nothing to do with popularity. They didn't design and push out an entire second wave in under a year.
Hedonites of slaanesh also had a split release, and those guys are fyreslayers-tier unpopular.
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>>97947339
Didn't Lumineth get two big waves early on and then fall into the occasional foot hero, terrain, Warcry warband schedule?
Doesn't that support my theory that we won't get any big Cathay releases in the next year or so?
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So they can do a foot hero or two to keep interest and then do a small wave with a dragon and a couple other units or a big animal person focused wave in three or four years. Sounds good to me.
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>>97947540
>take one hyperspecific niche from WFB dorfs that should only be a skirmish unit or a lore blurb
>ruin it and make it gay
>no one wants it
>take one hyperspecific niche from WFB elves that should only be a skirmish unit or a lore blurb
>ruin it and make it gay
>no one wants it
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>TLW
Gotta admire GW's recklessness in a way.
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>>97947578
>>take one hyperspecific niche from WFB
this is not the issue
>>ruin it and make it gay
this is the issue
fyreslayers would have sold if their poses weren't ass and if their units weren't that identical to one another
idoneth would have sold if they wore their full armours and had cooler fantasy steeds instead of wasting two kits on half naked shitters and having featureless sharks and eels
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>>97947578
>>take one hyperspecific niche from WFB elves that should only be a skirmish unit or a lore blurb
>>ruin it and make it gay
The dwarfs are the fyreslayers, but I'm not sure who are what you're referring to on the elf side
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>>97947635
Sea Elves were previously hinted at in vague fluff and may have been planned to be a single HE/DE unit kinda like Shadow Warriors. That idea was recycled into the AoS eyesore. There's simply not enough there to make a whole army out of them.
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>>97947642
>There's simply not enough there to make a whole army out of them.
You can make a whole army out of any concept, even the extremely niche.
No army is a creative dead end, it only becomes one when gw shoots themselves in the foot.
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>>97947642
>There's simply not enough there to make a whole army out of them.
It's atlantis elves, sure you can.
I feel like that's also a bit different from say slayers or ghosts getting turned into an entire army based on one or two units in whfb.
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>>97947577
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>>97947498
He's named Khragdob the trollkin (for which he has a weird affinity and can communicate with them quite well - or at least it looks like this from the outside). I have the vague story idea about most of his raiding party getting killed, him taking the mantle of leadership and slowly rebuilding his newly acquired force, hence the subdued beastmen (they should suffice until he gets better warriors). But I still need to figure out a good way to put him in Border Princes (in my group we're connecting fluff of all our games in relation to that region).
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>>97947875
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/6l0ru1k2/sunday-pre view-grand-cathay-levies-and-solar- auxilia-reinforcements/
Peasants are in boxes of 20, 24 heads per 10 is pretty wild but welcome too.
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>>97948036
Shit quality but here https://www.scribd.com/document/886282544/wood-elf-arcane-journal
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Does it bother anyone else that Beastwomen are simultaneously confirmed as canon by GW, but are never portrayed or even described in any books? Given the sheer number of beastmen it seems like they should be an important, sizable portion of a herd...
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>>97948086
I understand and appreciate that aspect of she-gors. One of the few noble qualities of Beastmen is just how protective they seem to be of their women, but I just want a bit more information. I think there's one semi-canon depiction of a beastwoman from a piece of Bloodbowl promotional art. As far as official materials go it's that and one sentence in a book somewhere.
Not saying I need any named she-gor characters. They should be extremely peripheral given their role in Beastman society.
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>>97948072
It's chaos, so there're multiple answers to any given question
>How do beastmen numbers grow?
people mutate and join the herds
animals mutate and join the herds
beastmen* rape people*
beastmen* rape animals*
beastmen* rape beastmen*
beastmen* rape or are raped by demons*
beastmen emerge from inanimate matter
beastmen reproduce asexually somehow*either, or both, male and female
>What do beastwomen look like?
like women with bestial features
like beasts with female features
completely identical to the males
>Why aren't beastwomen with the beastmen?
they are kept away from conflict in their territories
there are but people don't recognise them as such in the chaos
beastwomen move in completely separate herds like deer, and their migratory routes happen to be far from the old world
all of these are true at all times, even if some may be more common than other, pick any combination you find explains well enough what you see
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Why are beastmen fans (half of this general) so fucking cringe and gay all the time?
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>>97948284
3ish kits total because the character dual kits are priced roughly at 60% a full sized box (at least here). So you get 1.5 peasant boxes, 1 gunner box and 0.6 kits from the character. 3.1ish kits. Smaller discount than all the other boxes by quite a bit.
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Played my first games of TOW yesterday, anons. I’ve joined the local escalation league midway through the season with chaos, but half the player roster is playing them so the organizer has given people permission to change factions if they choose. Should I swap to beastmen for the remainder of this league? I think I have enough to play at 1250 because I got a decent start from this local guy when he divested from the hobby after AoS came out.
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>>97948510
Play what you want anon. Beastmen are probably the stronger faction this edition and have a more interesting learning curve (as much as that pains me) so that could be fun. But modeling and whatnot should be the deciding factor, play whoever you want to play.
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Do we have much in the way of Cathayan army colors beyond the four in the Great Bastion book? The Eastern Provinces sound interesting lorewise, given that I like coastal and sailing-based stuff, but I'm struggling to find any regional army color spreads. I don't recall any older WHFB books that references Cathay beyond little lore mentions, but I could be missing something.
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>>97948510
Can I interest you in some orcs and gobbos? We have big tit sculpts.
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What's the next model (you) think should be refreshed? Either for your own army or just in general.
I think the Imperial Ogre needs to go ASAP. Hopefully be replaced with a kit with a lot of interesting bits.
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>>97948735
None, you cannot name one model that is better off after a TOW refresh. To modern GW "refresh" is synonymous with "make worse."
If you want to play with modern CAD faggot models play Conquest or stick to Age of Sigmar. Warhammer Fantasy is for the grogs
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>>97948735
No matter what model you suggest some moaning bitch of a fakegrog is going to lambast you for daring to suggest a refresh for such an "iconic model" (they don't own it and didn't know it existed prior to seeing it on the tow webstore)
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>>97948735
>>97948892
The only OLD old sculpts that aren't worthless shit are
>dorfs
>chorfs
>lizards
>frogs
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