Cool, now we can have six transformers threads instead of five.

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>>11768638
All other threads hit image limit

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Am I the only one who prefers the grumpy old man face on Cyclonus over the new one?

>>11768652
sorry, i didn't realize that previous one was at 150

that's not image limit, but it's one off. You could have just posted an image WITH your new thread link, but
naw naw this is fine, you did fine.
I mean you used faggy language and you didn't use the pastebins or anything, but I'm not gonna quibble.
>>11768653
I definitely like the left better, but both of them look like a bad drawing of a good drawing.

>>11768653
To me the older one just really looks like he’s mewing while crying

>>11768656
You type like a fucking retarded faggot and dont have any right to criticize jesus fucking christ. And no I'm not that guy.

>>11768666
If you have actual specific tips on posting etiquette, I'm listening. Do you not like capitalizing for emphasis? How do *you* emphasize? Do you maybe go oldschool and use underscores?

>>11768656
I'm not even OP dude relax

>>11768648
nope, coronation gear only works on ER molds. can force it on siege but it doesnt fit but doesnt work on new SS seeker

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>>11768653
I like this Cyclonus more than either one, honestly.

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>all that IDWtranny shit in 2027's SS listings

>>11768635
That new face sold me Cyclonus. I guess my Kingdom one is going to be his armada from now on.

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>>11768682
Pretty lame, considering the Starscream from the new mold I wonder how, if at all, they plan to get out new coronation gear.
I don't suppose anyone has made a knockoff of the throne with a G2 Decepticon emblem?

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>>11768686
Comics really have no business in SS, the screen accuracy line. And if they want to ignore that and do it anyway, they could've pulled from legends instead of idw queers.

>>11768708
Didn't they already make ones based on an unreleased video game at this point?

>>11768686
The comic shit is the only interesting stuff in that leak, unless you're super jazzed by repaints and redos
Nautica and Fortress Maximus have been in people's wishlists for a decade or longer
Drift is... ehh I can see why he's in, he's popular. Depends how Milne they get with it.

>>11768673
Then pretend I said that to him.

>>11768653
Nope.
I came to this thread to see what people thought about this updated version. I like my original cyclonus and aside from the discoloration I see no need to replace it.

>>11768735
I hope the Kingdom one goes on sale now, I might pick it up instead of the new one in that case.

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>>11768652
Damn...i really like the train mode of the new SS86 Astro Train but the details on the robot mode of Siege one looks great.

i really fucking hate this "i have to buy new thing or feel bad ownign new thing that is not as good as the old thing" - bullshit.
I didn't feel like that during CW/TR/PotP (perfect transformers era without any bs).
Only after they started doing SS86 or movie inspired stuff i fully experienced this awful part of collecting transformers...


At least there is a BIG difference between PotP transformers and SS86.
For example i dont mind having Headmaster Gimmick Blitzwing and normal classic looking Blitzwing.

But stupid shit like this: >>11768652 feels like a joke...
Imagine how bad i would feel if i collected all Siege seekers and even paid for that Coronation Starscream... holy damn...

>>11768653
the left one looks like chud. I feel like he would be whining about dei/woke stuff.

The right one is a chad. He will slap your Optimus toy's ass.

>>11768653
That's not a grumpy old man's face, that's the face of a man with a botched face lift.

>>11768685
The slimmer build and larger shoulder armor really added a sense of dynamism to the design.

>>11768750
It looks like the robot version of leathery skin stretched tight over a skull to me. I dig it personally

>>11768742
>Imagine how bad i would feel if i collected all Siege seekers and even paid for that Coronation Starscream... holy damn...
Now imagine you collected all the Classics seekers, then got all the Siege seekers, then bent over for ER seekers, and now you're lubing up for 86 seekers

Not me but I know I just described more than a few people

>>11768635
Cyclonus I might go for just because the Kingdom version yellows. Cliffjumper looks marginally less awful than Bumblebee but I don't want him, would rather get the ER version (or stick with my Classics CJ). Blitzwing is just the Legacy but with a deco downgrade.

Just wait for Devastation Cliffjumper.

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>>11768771
They wouldn't put it under the Studio Series Devastation label but yeah I'd prefer a Cliff with that mold. Maybe in Selects or dumped into a four-pack. A Devastation Gold Bug is a bit likelier. Oh wait, excuse me, "Goldfire".

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DNA kit good
Thank you

>>11768718
>Depends how Milne they get with it.
I genuinely don't understand how he ever got a following. His designs suck and his faces don't look anything like Transformers faces are meant to look.
Not that he doesn't draw well, but his designs take all the worst parts of Bayformers and force them into G1 designs in the worst imaginable way.

>>11768775
Not even likelier, already confirmed by leaks.

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>>11768686
You don't want IDW Fort Max?
Nautica will prob be the Legacy Windblade/Slipstream so instant dogshit
Drift is probably a new mold so hey could be interesting

>>11768780
>don't look anything like Transformers faces are meant to look.
Transformers have had a billion different aesthetics over the years, there's no such thing as how Transformers faces (or anything else) are "supposed to look".

>>11768782
Oh, right on! So that probably means the other DLC skins are on the table.

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>>11768779
I went with the Origin Toys kit myself. I really like the larger shoulders and how the extra armour pieces balance the grey and white. DNA's shield and Star Saber look really good though and might pick up that weapon kit.

>>11768785
There kind of is. Just because IDW went crazy with the art and FunPub would hire any retard off of tumblr, it doesn't mean there isn't a core Transformers look the toys tended to default to way before the current geewun fever the brand is going through. Roughly, the old Diaclone look, Guido Guidi, with a bit of the house style Toei picked for japanese G1.

>>11768784
Looking forward to IDW Fort Max, he's one of the better IDW redesigns, and Drift being a voyager has me intrigued.

>>11768718
OP is probably the type of coonsumer demanding the 1000 Bumblebees, Optimii, Megatrons, Starscreams and Soundwave variants that Hasbro is giving us.

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>we get a trillion soundwaves
>still no surveillance van soundwave

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What're some of the best Little Guy-Formers? With the death of core class I've really been missing something in that 3-4 inch size to fiddle around with at my desk. Preferably nothing above $30-40 assuming I have to get it second hand. Doesn't have to be insanely complex but I don't really like one-step changers.

>>11768779
boy that does look better
are the shoulder joints as low as they look, though?
>>11768795
yeah a mix and match might be the best approach.. but at this point you feel obligated to find some way of attaining the base figure without paying.

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>>11768807
that's not exactly an inconspicuous surveillance van

Reviewers miss-transforming toys in 2026. Desperate for those first views huh?

>>11768795
I like the Arm and Leg armor and I like the big shoulders but kinda don't want them too huge

>>11768820
I dont need to see any reviews made that early, imo. Better ones will show up around the time I can actually get it in hand.

>>11768653
I like the new head better, but I'm not buying this mold a 4th time.
It'd be nice if Hasbro fade the figure people want on the first wave

>>11768635
Cyclonus I'll grab since it's a goated mold and the Kingdom one can be the Armada. Cliffjumper I might grab in person but I'm not too worried, I've got the Buzzworthy Earthrise one anyway which has a better deco.

>>11768838
Maybe don't buy a toy you're not happy with the first three times? I will never understand /toy/ titans

>>11768843
what's a /toy/ titans?
I was fine with it before but I don't know why they didn't do a more accurate head the first time around.

Or is this another anon that's gonna sperg because someone dared criticized Hasbro.

>>11768812
I think warpath is fantastic. Bumblebee is a good choice and there are a ton versions to choose from. I wish I got sea spray, I think powerglide might fit the bill but it hasn't come out yet. I really enjoyed the headmaster reprints from a few years ago, they are small and come with lil pilots that also transform so it's more bang for the buck.

>>11768846
>what's a /toy/ titans?
I think he's trying to coin a phrase for whales

>>11768846
No if anything I'm saying people should criticize them more. I think it's crazy to have three versions of a toy that you're not happy with. Id it turned out way worse than the pictures, sure, but at some point you gotta learn.

>>11768851
it's a bit flattering-sounding for an insult
i mean it's mildly babyish, but I can't imagine being called a titan and being sad about it.

>>11768851
probably the same homo that's always trying to push "tooner"

>>11768853
I was happy with it at the time, but if they were capable of doing a better head, I don't know why they couldn't have done it the first time.

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>>11768848
Every toy I've seen of Seaspray is adorable. I'm really into Titans Return right now so I might look into that. I really love POTP 'Comber too.

>>11768801
Nothing Milne draws is any more out there than Animated, prime, or the movies. Drawing sharp noses is like the most egregious thing about his style

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>>11768872
Well, Prime, Animated, and the movies have more of a coherent look than, whatever the hell this is.

>>11768876
To be fair to him, I don't know if you EVER see Drift's alt mode outside of the first 10% of his appearances. They're basically never relevant in Lost Light so I get why the bot mode is more stylized

>>11768876
>the movies
>have more of a coherent look than-
shut the fuck up.

>>11768878
I wasn't expecting the kibble to be capable of being rebuilt into an altmode, more that I fail to see a cohesive aesthetic along with a design with an illusion of functionality.
You have clunky feet that are hard to imagine doing anything, mechanical detail strewn at random, pieces that seem to come from like four different designs, and so on. And that Drift is one of his more conservative designs. Some are just upward points vaguely pasted on a robot.

>>11768879
no

>>11768879
This actually doesn't surprise me. You don't have the mecha knack.
it's okay, most people don't. But you have to understand, we do. We can tell the difference. We thought bayformers would look terrible, and then we saw them and we understood. That's actually a solid, proper arrangement of parts.

This drawing is not. It's a mess, and while it does have a few solid shapes, their assembly is pretty clunky in a big way. This artist clearly messed around with gundams but still needs practice. and I say this as someone who's done a lot of mecha designs, some absolutely flawed like this, and some that turned out great but I can't explain why.

and no I'm not sharing because I made them all 15-25 years ago.

>>11768876
>Prime, Animated, and the movies have more of a coherent look
Animated, yes. For Prime, it about comparable, but just with a different aesthetic. But the movies? Not a chance. The look of those designs is an absolute train wreck.

>>11768891
actually prime is easily the worst of those three, and has some of the problems of the drawing above.
the issue there is they have too many thin, overlapping plates that look more like boiled leather renfaire armor. Nothing has any robustness to it. and body parts tend to be too gracile, too tapered, or just a weird fit. Just like how this guy's arms are too tiny because he's clearly gundam-inspired.

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>Milne, TFPrime, and Gundam are bad mecha design because I say so
>Bayverse are good mecha design because I say so
Absolutely riveting, go spill your drivel elsewhere.

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Turns out he's actually a darn good toy in hand. Very solid feel, well articulated, got his gun hand and dart launcher to fiddle around with. It's a lot more fun than it should be to set him in the throne with his horns in the back.

>>11768896
>bayverse hate in 2026
Really?
Bayverse works because there's an underlying logic to the designs. Even if Galvatron there is one of the worst and most nonsensical designs of the series, it follows the same logic of resembling realistic mechanical constructs. You see servos, cooling tubes, reactors, pipes, vents, etc. You can kind of make out what each piece does if you squint.
Milne's designs don't have that.

>>11768718
>>11768784
Don't reply to posts that call it that, it's always just lazy bait. Notice how he doesn't say anything about the Marvel figures.
>>11768876
Like any TF series, Milne's designs have their hits and misses. I like his takes on the more major legacy characters (Rodimus, Megatron, Ultra Magnus), and I really like guys like Skids or Swerve.
Others like Tailgate or Chromedome are decidedly more meh imo, yeah.

For what it's worth, I did really love his art in the Bayformers tie-in comics, he was great there.

>>11768889
>guys I'm actually like, really good at drawing mecha
>No I will not show them
Again, shut the fuck up.

>>11768902
>Bayverse works because there's an underlying logic
lmfao

>>11768918
Why isn't there none?

>>11768896
gundam is amazing. but this guy doesn't know how to apply its principles properly here. he would also probably make lousy gundams.

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>>11768878

They appeared very rarely which is insane for the entire gimmick of the franchise, but it did happen. Hilariously, the artists used Third Party designs as a reference. It retroactively made the liberties the 3P alt modes comic accurate.

>>11768902
I mean no, Galvatron does not work, but that's the point. the nanite-otrons are a rip on the people we're arguing with, who accuse bayformers of just being random metal shards because their normie brains literally cannot handle that many shapes.
Everything else, yeah. I mean some of the 'knight' robot modes got a little wonky, but generally yeah, everything but the KSI bots makes sense.

>>11768918
Do you really not get that -you can't see it-
there's a ton of shit I can't see. But mecha is one of those that you have to have the right eye to get. I grew up on terrible, terrible western mecha, and I know what good mecha is. Things with depth and sense, and JOINT CLEARANCE.

>>11768936
You're such a loser. Go be a loser on /m/.

>>11768940
i'd rather be a loser that understands good mecha design than a jerk who insists if something looks terrible to him, everyone who likes it must be inferior, even if they can back up their claims

You know what's sad, when I'm in this situation, I ASK people why they like the thing that I can't understand. like sports. and look what they do. They ree for a while, then admit they can't explain it.

>>11768943
lmao so you're that dork from the other thread.

>>11768929
>gundam is amazing
-ly bland and samey

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>I'll rip out your optics!

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>>11768951
>How about I just throw your ass across the room instead?

>>11768934
I get that about the KSI drones and Galvatron, but I meant that you can piece together what each part in the design might do, even if the transformium shit means that they don't have a coherent transformation scheme/kibble arrangement.

>>11768949
that wasn't this thread?
sorry I was trying to do a callback
>>11768950
i mean fair. but G Gundam and Wing aren't.

>>11768954
Well at least somewhat you can. but really they looked like masses of CABLES which is a whole different kind of mecha, one I don't like, more like 90s comics mecha

>>11768900
Can you post some in-hand pics of him, rather than the stock photography?

>>11768950
>>11768988
astonishingly shit taste on display ITT

>>11769002
i still like gundam even if I admit it has some sameyness.

>>11768896
Don't put Milne in with good mech design, that shitty artist deserves all the scorn.

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Some recent pickups, Big Convoy is much better then i thought it was going to be. Pretty happy with them overall.

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Shame the Big Cannon has so much mammoth kibble on it though.

Are the cones on Overlord meant to be missiles or just aerodynamic bullshit

>>11769018
Never seen a blackbird?

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>>11769021
What the fuck about me makes you think I go on >>>/an/

>>11769026
You're not funny

>>11768656
OP is s fsg

I wonder if SS8 fixed the flaw from Legacy Blitzwing where his legs don't close all the way.

>>11769014
boy he's really not that big is he. quickstrike could motorboat him.
>>11769017
yeah they took the worst thing about the original and said 'we can go further'

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>>11768943
>They ree for a while, then admit they can't explain it.
If you're the weirdo who asked me how can I like both sports and transformers in the last thread...that isn't remotely what happened.

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>>11769018
I am capable of not being sarcastic.
the cones are air intakes of a very special type

>>11769048
mkay well it is. you almost verbatim quoted an Applejacks commercial.
It's okay that you can't express why you like sports, anon. You don't have to defend every little thing. i was just curious.

>>11769023
>6' vs 5'11

>>11769051
>You don't have to defend every little thing
No, actually I don't have to defend any little thing. Nor was I trying to. Don't try to "reclaim your power" here anon.
>I can't understand why people like things I might not like
And you guys wonder why I call you autists.

>>11769050
Ok so it's for going at high speeds while not getting damaged or straight-up exploding, alright thank you

>>11769050
>I am capable of not being sarcastic
What the fuck are you doing here??

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>Finish him off, Prime!
>DO IT NOW!

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>>11769074
>*picks up gun and walks back at the most leisurely pace imaginable*

>>11768779
Is the DNA kit based on some specific design or is it just a random helmet/shield to make him more cool.

>>11768742
>Imagine how bad i would feel if i collected all Siege seekers and even paid for that Coronation Starscream... holy damn.
Why? The Siege seekers are entirely different designs and molds and the tetrajet is cool. And ER/Coronation Starscream is a different mold than the new SS Thundercrack mold.
I think it's ok to have different versions of the same character especially since personally I think the ER seeker mold is more fun to mess wtih than the SS version and I like the gribling detail
Do people only own one version of a character at all times or something?
I started collecting during Siege so I have Siege Thundercracker, ER Thundercracker, Retro movie Thundercracker, and the SS86 Thundercracker and I like them all since they're different.

>>11769079
oh and Bumblebee movie Thundercracker and I preordered One Thundercracker. He always has a cool design.

>>11769053
What reason, other than defensiveness, is there to object so strongly to the truth that you were unable to answer a question?

I don't find it hard to believe people like what I don't like, I have just never seen this combination in the wild before, in 40 years of getting to know various nerds, and ... well having to be around various sports fans. Zero crossover. so I was curious. I thought the answer might open up some new understanding, but it's okay that it didn't.
>>11769054
no prob, bob.

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Powerglide is just ok. Could be better

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Wheelie is good, cant really pose him with his Slingshot ready to fire though
>>11769046
3rd party Big Convoy when?

>>11769084
RIGHT?
granted, I have my original Big Convoy and I'm happy enough with him. i GUESS i would buy a 3P more anime accurate version even though, for some reason, I just can't get into either Beast Wars anime. I should, the ingredients are there, but it doesn't spark joy. But yeah an anime version would at least feel like a different guy from the original toy, who I could say is his dimensional doppelganger..
but also, if they did a 3P, they'd do recolors. and those I don't have and probably can't get the originals of, so yes please. Both blue versions and the black one, easy buys.

>>11769084
Somebody has to be making a 3P silverbolt too, right? after he kinda disappointed people? And that means... the purple recolor...

>>11769097
>3p that isnt G1
lol
Transarts probably would've gotten around to it, but unfortunately they had a meltie over mean comments on the internet and shuttered
(To be fair, their quickstrike was pretty shit and ass)

>>11769099
that's.... weird. Aren't they Chinese? Just don't use the translator.

wait they did a bad quickstrike? huh. I find it hard to imagine it's worse than the new one but lemme go check.
Oh wow, it looks like, identical to the new one. And it was 65 bucks? I assume MP scale but still, yeeesh.

>>11769023
>It ain't gonna suck itself, Autobrat!

>>11769077
Just kinda random design I think

>>11769077
The helmet is more like the Covenant design

Have you tried carrying all five Dinobots at the same time?
Heavy boys.

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>>11769079
>Do people only own one version of a character at all times or something?
Why do you need multiple toys of the same characters?

and if you read carefully i was ok with that: >>11768742
>At least there is a BIG difference between PotP transformers and SS86.
>For example i dont mind having Headmaster Gimmick Blitzwing and normal classic looking Blitzwing.
At least these are very different.
Earthrise Starscream and SS86 coronation starscream will be peak autism.
Just like current weirdos arguing about SS86 bumblebee and that new "Hollow Bumblebee".

it's the same toy. I personally will never own another bumblebee because ss86 is enough for me.
Unless they will do something crazy like "headmaster bumblebee that turns into a base" or something like that.

>>11769023
>im not small we are just in space!

My only gripe with the 86 seekers is the detailing being inconsistent across the robot, otherwise I'm glad I skipped ER after starscream was lacking

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>Shit...play it cool...

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>>11769168
>No more, Optimus Prime!
>Grant me mercy, I beg of you!

>>11768742
>Imagine how bad i would feel if i collected all Siege seekers and even paid for that Coronation Starscream
Anon, Siege was 2018~2019, a good seven/eight years ago, meaning that anyone who collected all Siege seekers are likely in a different decade in their life and isn't having any feelings about what they bought back in the 2010s.

>BIG difference between PotP transformers and SS86
Considering one line was from 2016 and the other started in 2021 that's not really a surprise here

I feel like I'm talking to my grandpa that forgot how time works.

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Bayverse designs are just as good looking as the rest of the franchise. Stop the hating.

>>11769178
bayformers were ugly and cringe when i was a teenager and they're still ugly and cringe now

>>11769079
>Do people only own one version of a character at all times or something?
Not him, but a lot of times yes and I can see why. It's one thing if you're going all in on one or a few characters, but most people take a more holistic approach and collect large casts of characters. Money and display space are certainly a factor why a lot of people don't want 4 or 5 Thundercrackers (or whoever) floating around. And then if they collect other lines besides TF...
>>11769081
I have just never seen this combination in the wild before, in 40 years of getting to know various nerds,
And as I said in the last thread, you're extremely sheltered and have a very myopic world view. Also, 40? I thought you were supposed to be "much" older than me, not younger lol.
> I thought the answer might open up some new understanding, but it's okay that it didn't.
And if it didn't, that's more an indictment against you than against me and my answer. I also thought we ended that discussion fairly civilly in the last thread, but I see you going full mask-off here once you thought the coast was clear (it wasn't).

>>11769212
I once had a thought for a silly photo comic where Optimus changed every panel because he had so many toys, but that was so far back it was when everyone who wasn't him only had a single new figure to their name.

>>11769178
>>11769208
I’ve always sat somewhere in the middle where I think the 2007 movie has pretty good designs that have a clear purpose. The Autobots are meant to be more human looking while the Decepticons are more creature looking so you can tell which is which from a glance. Their individual designs are also still very distinctive so you aren’t confusing anyone in a crowd shot. The sequels slowly start exaggerating the difference between the factions resulting in weirdly human faced Drift and Crosshairs. They also started constantly reusing models and color palettes that make it impossible to tell which Decepticons are even on screen

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>>11769178
bayformers SUCK

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>>11769218
YOU SUCK

>>11769178
that toy aged spectacularly

>>11769215
this is the correct stance to have, honestly. Most of the original trilogy bay designs are good if they stick to the 'humanoid autobots, creature decepticons' approach. Most of the good designs also have good toys too.

The problems arise the second you hit aoe because Michael Bay was trying to get fired, so he made designs that the toy designers couldn't make into good toys in an effort to make them revolt against hasbro. Unfortunately hasbro doesn't care.

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>>11769215
>Their individual designs are also still very distinctive so you aren’t confusing anyone in a crowd shot.

>>11769233
>Michael Bay was trying to get fired, so he made designs that the toy designers couldn't make into good toys in an effort to make them revolt against hasbro. Unfortunately hasbro doesn't care.
Kek, I don't know anything about the behind the scenes lore of these movies (not into Bayformers) but that's pretty funny.

>>11769241
You can’t seriously tell me that you can’t distinguish Barricade, Blackout, and Brawl when they’re right next to each other

>>11769254
That anon probably only ever (if he saw them at all) watched them on a small screen from a low-bitrate pirate streaming site, or something. It's literally the only way I can understand how people can go "durr you can't make anything out, it's just a mess of shrapnel1! Xd"

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>>11769178
Reminder that it is the UTcucks who are the biggest Bay haters despite the fact that their series and playskool toddler toys are what caused the downfall of the franchise and plunged it into the dark ages with terrible sales and viewership until Bay saved it with the movies by reintroducing G1 to the new generation. Only TRUE Transformer fans would know this but UTcucks keep coping and seething and trying to gaslight everyone else.

>>11769099
Transart did make a Silverbolt, they painted it metallic silver and got so many negative comments it was their last straw.
>>11769100
Anon, the comments were in Chinese.

>>11769172
>Anon, Siege was 2018~2019, a good seven/eight years ago, meaning that anyone who collected all Siege seekers are likely in a different decade in their life and isn't having any feelings about what they bought back in the 2010s.
>I feel like I'm talking to my grandpa that forgot how time works.
Time does indeed feel faster when you’re older anon. The reason you lose momentum in this hobby is you stop caring about upgrading and replacing toys every few years.
If you’re in your 20s, that feels like two different eras in your life, by your mid 30s, not so much.

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>>11769169
>You, who are without mercy, now plead for it?
>I thought you were made of sterner stuff...

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>>11768918
How are we still debating this? The 2009 mold is very nearly 1:1 with lights, sounds and virtually no cheating. Hell, the engineers at takara managed to figure out most of the designs within like 2-3 years
Just because you like something doesn't mean there isn't a logic to it.

>>11769212
>>11769081
The fact that this general has people over 40 acting this stupid is proof enough to me that this franchise is a lost cause
The retard is right. Milne's transformers designs all suck because they don't look like they turn into anything. They just look like gay yaoi robots which 90% of the time don't even transform

>>11769255
>"durr you can't make anything out, it's just a mess of shrapnel1! Xd"
The only way you could probably make a complaint like that is if you're either pants on head retarded or being facetious. How is it that when I watched that movie at like 10 years old was I able to figure out which Decepticon was which? Are fat reddit nerds just retarded or did they just not pay attention to what's going on. Or are they just bitching because they personally don't like the designs due to not being blocky and G1.

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Bayverse toys peaked here. Despite him just folding into a ball this has always been one of my favorite Optimus designs

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>>11769291
I think most would agree that neither extreme was true, The Transformers movie wasn't a last ditch effort, in fact it was just bumped up from it's original 2009 planned release to 2007 due to the Iraq War making the originally planned GIJoe film a bit to spicy to try. All those actions were made in the summer of 2003, Armada was still rolling out at that point and it's failure/success wasn't fully actualized yet. It was successful enough that they kept up both with Energon and then Cybertron to stop media production and roll out the Classics line for a year as the film was nearing release and they didn't want the brand to self compete with anything else just having movie toys on selves.

Now that said it doesn't undo all the stupid Armada and the UT did do in terms of production and what not, but the brand was very much alive to the point that when GIJoe Movie went tits up they were confident the TF film would work just as well.

>>11769301
I have never experienced this and I'm in my 50s. I'm convinced it's something about not starting a family that causes that weird blur because the only friends I have that thought like that were all single and still living with parents. Everyone else the other extreme occurs and 10 years feels like 40 years ago.

>>11769305
Which mold is this? I don't own a Movie Optimus and I'd like to pick up one at some point.

Is all the threads having some variant of slop in the title the new general meme?

>>11769291
I know this post is bait, but the fact that there are people out there who genuinely believe this is hilarious to me

>>11769344
No, just evidence of OP being an uncreative faggot desperate for the brief attention making the next thread grants him.

Only recently got into collecting transformers starting with studio Grimlock and since then grabbed Onyx, Micronus and Alchemist while they were on discount and honestly surprised at how much i like Micronus and Alchemist considering they were more of a impulse buy since they were half off.

>>11769349
to be fair it's a captive audience of an internet board that is dying and needs old incels to prop up the place.

>>11769350
What made you pull the trigger on a transforming toy, anon? Childhood nostalgia for the characters?

>>11769344
all the threads are some variant of slop where the just make posts and claims to make this place look active.

>>11769350
>A post copied from two years ago

>>11769353
Well i went on a seaside day trip with some family and ended up winning a G1 mug which made me nostalgic and then i saw Grimlock on a bit of a discount on amazon and grabbed him but I also had some nostalgia for transformer toys years ago when prime was airing and I found the Soundwave toy which I've still got.

>>11769245
It's pretty well known Goldner had to personally pitch AoE to Bay. That famous shot of Optimus riding Grimlock is straight from the pitch documents/art. Of course the stuff that Haslabs (the name of their defunct ideas dvision) put in there like Lockdown and Oil Slick running the Decepticons like a post-Apocalyptic motorcycle gang all got tossed out.

>>11769233
The only real violators were all the character related to Quintessa: Quintessa, her knights and the Infernocons.

>>11768907
>For what it's worth, I did really love his art in the Bayformers tie-in comics, he was great there.

Seconded. I loved his designs for Thundercracker and Flatline.

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>>11769077
It's to align him more closely to the Convenant of Primus design that he's based on. The AotP head isn't technically from Prima, but a random character from season 3 of G1's FFOD that got retconned into Prima that Mark for some reason used because he was probably using the wiki as reference.

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>Oh no you don't, Megatron!

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>>11769388
>Out of the way, Hot Rod!

>>11769319
>summer of 2003, Armada was still rolling out at that point and it's failure/success wasn't fully actualized yet
That's literally a year into the line and after universe started. A line explicitly created as a way to fill the increased demand for TF products after the success of Armada.

>>11769389
Just shoot them both, it's the right decision

I need transtech injected into my veins.

>>11769408
That sounds like it would be painful.

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I'm repainting Soundwave because the colors Hasbro used sucks ass. Which blue should I use

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>>11769423
I'm leaning toward the left one because it matches DCS Soundwave almost perfectly.

>>11769390
Armada sold better than any series before it, the high demand and money increased confidence to make the first movie actually. And then 2007 made even more, but I like both so whatever. Dont care for the rest of the bayverse though.

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>>11768998
He sits upon a throne of lies

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>>11768812
Anything G2 was my fave growing up. Took a break after beasts wars. Came back to HfD and RtS, Hupcap, and Windchargernjust before latefag fees.
These guys never leave my desk.

>>11769428
Anything darker than the stock plastic will be better.

>>11769178
i like them but I don't think that's a statement you can really make, since they're so VERY different from everything else.
>>11769233
that explains a lot, so I choose to believe it's true.
>>11769255
in his defense, the shakycam fucking ruins what was otherwise a very very well thought out separation (they even made Ratchet safety yellow so you'd never mix him up with Prime)
>>11769297
Whaaaat? So just deduct social credit points. How hard is that?

>>11769319
yeah you're supposed to have families young, it's pretty clear we're damaged by not doing so. But it's not like we didn't try.
>>11769399
>Shoot me!
>No, shoot me!

>>11769503
> Whaaaat? So just deduct social credit points. How hard is that?
The real problem is that they basically broke customers trust and sales dropped hard. Beast Wars is niche, especially in China, but it does have a dedicated enough fan base to support releases if they’re good enough
Transart released had issues and often were corrected by second releases, so it became less incentive for people to buy the first version when the second with more accurate paint would release later.
But the second versions were paid off by people funding them by buying their first release. It’s a practice that’s either shady or incompetent when it means it basically presses customers to double dip on $80+ releases.

>>11769521
ahhhh yeah that is douchey

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I was thinking that with Deathsaurus, Dinoking, and now Liokaiser shortly on the way, I'll soon have all the Victory Decepticons, but then I remembered the two mercenaries. I do have Black Shadow, but what about Blue Bacchus? Why are Hasbro so afraid to tackle him? Black Shadow's gotten two figures in the last 15 years.

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Seems like the new cyclonus removes the back thrusters that used to cover his feet in his altmode

>>11769546
because his weird altmodes rule out an easy retool, and he's way too obscure to get his own mold. they could possibly do a heavy retool of springer, but only if they didn't care about being faithful to his clusterfuck vehicle modes

>>11769521
I'll never not be mad they didnt get to do Tigatron and Apelinq. I was trying to get all the BW Wreckers. Around the same time I lost an auction for a Botcon Cyclonus at a good price too. And I was hoping Hasbro would give us a Glyph, Tapout, Fractal and Packrat but they never did (at least TA gave us TM1 Packrat) Now my wreckers are half finished.

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>>11769546
>clearly rubber/cloth details on the design
Wut
I'm not the most familiar with obscure G1 stuff but this has to be something unique to him right

>>11769546
Black Shadow has the benefit of being:
a) a remold for Thunderwing
b) being considered a Decepticon heavy hitter in the comics along with Sixshot and Overlord even though he got killed in his second appearance stateside.

Blue Bacchus has none of that.

>>11769561
They could always make a new Crossblades off of him.

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>>11768635
>really want that red veloceraptor
>don't want to pay for that stupidly ugly big weird robot (grimlock+bee? wtf...)
damn

>>11769579
Speaking of Overlord.
What was the reason for Hasbro never releasing him in 1988 in America?
We kids were hungry for a new Decepticon leader.

And don’t tell me he was too big, because power master Optimus was released that year, and Fort Max and Scorponok were released the year before.

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>>11769572
Japan retooled the shells to Crossblades/Thunderwing to look more robotic but they only retooled the heads and torsos/thighs. Blue Bacchus retains the baggy suit arms of Crossblades' more human shell

>>11769597
Huh, not sure I ever knew about Mega Pretenders to begin with. Cool. Thx anon

>>11769582
grimblebee or grumbleblock....

>they removed the thrusters on Cyclonus for no reason

Oh well, there goes the only SS fig I was gonna get this year.

Studio Series is just garbage now.

Just pulled out and transformed my Armada Optimus for the first time in ages. So glad that my copy didn't get screwed with the overly tight leg flaps. Such a good figure. Can't wait for Jetfire.

>>11769559
What the fuck? They just left a fucking gap there?

>>11769559
wait is it a new mold?

>>11769585
Hasbro was clearly losing faith in the line by then and probably figured a big Decepticon without any media tie-in besides maybe comics would sell.
I think TMNT really made them reconsider how they were selling the toys. TMNT was primarily lots of cheaper releases that you could tie into more expensive ones.
They start leaning on smaller toys at cheaper prices to compete. Yeah TMNT had big playsets and vehicles, but they were tied to the cartoon.

>>11769559
Two steps forward, one step back, eh Hasbro?

>>11769559
>Even 86 is getting bitch slapped across the face now too
The fuck?

>>11769559
holy shit they can't help but shoot themselves in the foot

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>>11769559
I get what were they going for but it really isn't accurate anyways and looks worse.

>>11769655
>taking screen accuracy this far

>>11769559
>>11769650
It sucks, but if that's the price to pay in order to budget in a new headsculpt and better knees, then I'll take it!

Baiting used to be an art form.

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They really casted all the orange clear in red instead of just painting the eyes red. Even if they kept the eyes orange, it would be overall more accurate.

>>11769665
it's so tiring..

>>11769665
And when they do paint eyes, they almost never use clear paint

>>11769559
I wonder if you can just pop off the Kingdom covers and attach them there. They're not pinned, are they?

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>>11769561
feels like a Springer retool could work

>>11769559
lmao these retards holy shit
>$45 btw

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>>11769652
Now?

>>11769693
So upsetting because I love the colors on the new one. Shame part of the contract was him getting aids

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>>11769559
THE FULL POWER OF STUDIO SERIES

>>11769707
You like that new face?
You like those locking knees?
There's a price to pay!

>>11769708
NTA but I just wanted him in non-yellowing plastic.

>>11769708
The monkey's paw curls, the camera zooms out revealing the monkey is DNA

>>11769712
the monkey is being jacked off by DNA

>>11769707
Takara will win again with a DCS release in a few years.

>>11769712
The paw curls further and DNA don't actually fix it, they just make a kit to turn him into idw Cyclonus.

It's honestly kind of a shame how downhill SS86 is going and how fast. It seemed like the tipping point was around the time of Megatron to Astrotrain, but these new ones are egregious. I've lost all faith in this line, sold just about my entire collection. I know that seems extreme, but Jesus Christ, they can't even get the fucking colors on Cliffjumper right. The whole point here was accuracy, right? It's so hard to buy anything because the whole business model of Transformers is getting everything "almost there" so we have to keep buying more and more perfected versions. It's such a fucking joke to collect these things when they pull shit like the Megatron colors. I think Hasbro plans figures like 2-3 years out from release, they had to know. I'm only vitriolic because I used to really enjoy where this line was headed.

>>11769752
when did you realize how autistic you are?

>>11769752
To add, does anyone think it's kind of retarded how they can't decide whether to use flat gray or silver and it seems to be completely random (although now shifting towards just flat gray)? Does that mean they'll re-release everyone with silver in flat gray and you get to buy a Slightly Better Version again?

>11769753
it annoys me that the only people using autistic as an insult are the ones not understanding it.
We could have worked together.

>>11769753
when I was doing these retarded ass captions

>>11769491
Man, my Space Case has been missing his lightpiping piece for so long I'd forgotten what he looks like with it in place.

>>11769752
>I sold my entire collection because the colors on Cliffjumper are wrong
Biggest loser in this thread.

>>11769752
I never bothered to get another Hound after the Classics one. You can just be okay with things.

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I really badly want Hasbro to bring back the clear plastic/gold combo from the UT era. How fucked am I?

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>>11769291
>Armada flopped
>Became a success because of the Michael Bay movies
>Armada came out in 2002 and was off the shelves and on TV by 2003
>First Bay movie came out in 2007
Is this guy a retard or something?

>>11769781
Not that guy but that doesn't sound terribly contradictory.
It flopped, then later, after the bay movies, became a success
Not saying that's right, but I've seen things like that a lot.

>>11769559
>>11769614
>>11769707
Fucking embarassing
Christ

>>11769754
There's no real vision for what SS86 is supposed to be anymore.
Used to just be functionally an extension of the chug G1 stuff, now it's supposed to be its own thing but they've hardly committed to it, especially when it's still mostly retools/redecos
The new seeker mold was supposed to start a new toon style but it still looks out of place next to everything they've revealed since except maybe Soundwave.
Legacy Blitzwing is nearly as greebly as a Siege toy yet the mold is good enough for SS86 unchanged. Windcharger is still greeblier than his toon model despite being a new SS86 toy. Shockwave is now too short for the new scale. Astrotrain is a mess and in some ways is less toon accurate than the Siege toy.
Shit just don't add up.

>>11769785
But how can Armada even becomes a retroactive success if you can't buy the toys anymore nor watch the anime? Especially when it was 4 years ago at the time. I'm not counting the couple of reissued Armada toys repainted in the Movie toyline because that is still considered part of the Movie toyline.
It would be understandable if that guy was referring to Animated or something, maybe even Cybertron perhaps where it sits right next to the first Bay Movie, but Armada was literally off the shelves and on TV by then, there's no way you could buy anything Armada related at that point and Hasbro had recorded its sales figure and moved on already.

>>11769792
That's a pretty good point, anon. You'd have to stretch the definition of 'success' a lot. I haven't been following this exchange to see if that kind is fitting here.

>>11769781
Armada flopped so hard that it got two sequel shows and toylines.

>>11769752
>don't like the new Cliffjumper
>sell your entire collection because of it
>including, presumably, at least one older Cliffjumper you liked more
This is like if I burned my house down because I stubbed my toe, what the fuck is wrong with you anon?

>>11769801
well he did say 'just about.' maybe he kept that cliffjumper. Or perhaps the main idea is "a perfect collection is impossible with these tards at the helm, so i'm downgrading to a 'greatest hits' collection of only my favorites"

I got siege shockwave from my local toy shop today and I'm really enjoying him.

>>11769809
I don't really care for his indian deity form but the base figure is pretty cool.

>>11769812
i would love if we got a beastformer sometime with that kinda crazy shit, I love robots with extra arms and unusual body shapes.
and not like Lio Convoy where the lion arms hang out under the regular arms and have weapons, I mean something that legitimately transforms in a cool and interesting way, from a body part that isn't already limbs. Or at least, for like a crabformer, give me the crab arms as secondary weapon arms.

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>>11769817
I think I'm going to make it a goal to track down an RID Bruticus

>>11769820
yeah that guy is creative as hell. Do I think he works? I mean it's not to my taste. but I want them to keep TRYING shit like this
I want a new toy that does to this what the new cheetor and tigatron did to that charming but silly old mold.

>>11769821
Oh he's definitely probably not good
But he's such a freak that I think /tfg/ sleeps on

>>11769824
He's definitely not objectively good, but he does do the satanic bringer of torture covered in weapons thing really well, so if you're into that I think you'll like him.

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>>11769820
Always loved this crazy dude, but never got him - I did manage to track down the Universe dude who was a homage to him, but it's not quite the same. I'd love to see him remade with modern engineering, as I think we SHOULD be able to pull off a functional Cerberus by now (and while we're at it, a modern Cybertron Scourge would be nice, too).

>>11769914
We still need him and Evac to complete the planet leaders.

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>>11769582
>Creating a new character to be the raptor instead of using Best Girl
For what purpose?

>>11769914
all of these dragonformers were such a disappointment to me.. all such neat ideas, but with lousy transformations and utterly simplified beyond enjoyment.

>>11769917
I think that's Slash's twin brother... Spears.
Yknow he shows up, plays a whistle, tosses out a powerup, then buggers off.

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>>11769914
Scourge is so simple too
Literally just add some joints to the original toy and add change nothing else
Sell it at leader price

Actually maybe add another handle to the axe

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>>11769927
>Literally just add some joints to the original toy and add change nothing else
I'd greatly appreciate it if they fixed his elbows and gave him rotating wrists - it was literally my only issue with the mold.

>>11769927
>change nothing else
>Sell it at leader price
Sorry, we're gonna have to hollow out his limbs and remove all of his paint or else he'd have to be commander-priced

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>>11769399
>>11769505
Too late, now Hot Rod's his bitch

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>>11769942
>tfw you're one hundred percent sure you're going to die today and all you keep thinking about is that time you got turned into an alligator

>>11769927
>>11769933
he needs a lot of other changes, but he's at least a good starting point.
>>11769943
I'm so regularly tempted to buy and repaint that super7 gator just ta have.

>>11769943
Ahahahahahahahahahaha

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>>11769781
>>11769792
>>11769793
see >>11769319
All of this is a lot of slow moving parts that take forever to respond too,
If you look the history of TF you can see when actual see when "last ditch" efforts occur. The most notorious is Beast Machines to 2001 Robots in Disguise. The reception and sales of BM was so bad they scrapped their future project (Transtech) and licensed with Saban to localize a show the aired last year (Car Robots) carrying over the Takara toys and mixing in other molds to have a full line in the US as a means to place hold the brand until they figured out where to take it next.

Armada was controversial and seen as a step down but the sales and reception wasn't a death spiral like the suffered in 1989 or 1999

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>Fall...

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>>11769971
>FALL!!!

>>11769918
Cybertron Scourge being a dragon without real wings was a disappointment. Always felt Prime Predaking was a spiritual/ conceptual successor to him.
TM2 Megatron remains probably the most involved Dragon transformer. I feel like the most ambitious beast former transformations came around 99-2001, since after 3 years the designers started pushing what they could do a little more. Ugly as the animorphs line looks, if you compare the beast modes to early BW you can tell they were pushing ways to make the altmodes more accurate and transform more.
Modern beasts are either based of existing designs or one-offs. If they ever did a new, entirely beasts line I think they’d eventually get to a more involved engineering in time.

>>11769953
It was controversial with existing fans*, is the important distinction that everyone forgets. Armada was extremely popular with kids from the word Go.

What's funny about CR is they had around 10 new toys and they're all among the best of their time

>>11769807
>so i'm downgrading to a 'greatest hits' collection of only my favorites"
Maybe, but I don't see why anyone wouldn't already do that anyway. I only buy the figures that I like, and I occasionally sell one off to make room if I'm only lukewarm on it or if a better version of the same character becomes available. (note: better does not always mean newer). But my goal was never to own an exhaustive list of every Transformers figure ever put out. To each their own, but I really don't know why people do that to themselves.
>>11769812
>his indian deity form
kek

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>*sighs* Bad enough they had me die such a stupid, needless death. Did they really have to make me fall over in such a goofy looking way after getting gutshot repeatedly?

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>Excellent work, Hot Rod! Now lay there and do nothing while I finish him off!

>>11770021
>>11770022
This is the sort of bozo who's eating up the "apology tour" propaganda

Why do even commander classes have hollow feet. I can give jetfire a pass since it's part of how he transforms but still.

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>>11769992
Exactly. Armada had them doing slapdash retools of old BW product to satisfy retailer demand, on top of starting Universe 1.0 for the stuff they couldn't retool. Mini-con reissues can't happen because between Hasbro and Takara they cranked out so many of the shits they destroyed the molds. Armada was a runaway success for Hasbro.

>>11770012
Not every transformer ever, but some people are teying to complete the entire G1 cartoon cast or at least the movie.

>>11770034
Pity they didn't do the Rattrap mold, that'd be good to have without the chrome. I had a dream where they did though, he was grey.

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I got Sunstreaker and the front end just does not want to line up. I can either tab the feet together and have a gap below the windshield or line up the windshield and heel area but leave a gap in the feet. This is actually a replacement too because on my first one, the chest/roof literally could not tab into one of the legs because either the peg hole was too small or somewhere the sculpts were misaligned. Did I just get unlucky twice or is this mold fucked?

>look at figures on eBay
>later on get an offer for a discount
>buy it
>later get another offer on the same figure from another seller for a better discount
damn, that feeling sucks.

>>11770025
You're some kinda faggot huh

>>11770050
What, like 5 bucks?

>>11769992
>>11770034
If you want to get into the weeds of it: post Beast Machines was a runaway success it was like a New coke/Classic coke effect where everyone was tired of beasts and wanted cars and planes again, those redcos of BW figures did not sell well at all and piled up at discount stores like Big Lots and they were not made in high volume either. It is interesting however that the appetite for Beast Wars era has never reached the same as g1 in comparable time. Likely showing that most of the fanfare for Beast Wars was only due to it being the only Transformers game in town. Seems it truly was truck not munky that sold the brand.

>>11770075
A monkey and a lion are pretty cool, but a big truck is the coolest. And if it's a fire truck or a truck with flames sometimes, that's just as well.

>>11770075
>those redcos of BW figures did not sell well at all and piled up at discount stores like Big Lots and they were not made in high volume either.
Speaking anecdotally, which we both are, I didn't see this.
Some sold well, some shelfwarmed, same as any other figure.
A lot of the BW updates/homages of this time were also pretty bad and it's no wonder they didn't sell. Universe Cheetor was terrible. BW10th deluxe Optimus and Megaton are a good bellwether, both the original and Cybertron version of the Optimus shelfwarmed because it looked kinda crappy, but the Megatron was a cool looking T.rex that sold well and I could barely find it.
>where everyone was tired of beasts and wanted cars and planes again
More importantly, HASBRO wanted that. Hasbro dissolved Kenner in '99, and was giving execs an ultimatum to move to Rhode Island with Hasbro or lose their jobs. They knew this was a loaded choice because a lot of the Kenner guys were older with families and couldn't uproot. Aaron Archer talks about this in his podcast, he joined Hasbro just because he was younger and was single he could take the move.
Company culture was such that Hasbro did not want to associate with anything from the Kenner era. Aaron was told by the Hasbro president he wanted to go back to vehicles(and even Beast Machines was attempting that too with half the line being vehicles, and even if BM succeeded, Transtech would've just been vehicles with a beast theme)
Aaron talks about how whenever he tried to push for doing a BW style revival and Hasbro execs just wouldn't have it.

> that the appetite for Beast Wars era has never reached the same as g1 in comparable time. Likely showing that most of the fanfare for Beast Wars was only due to it being the only Transformers game in town.
If that was the case, G2 would've been a bigger success. BW was the right thing at the right time.
But it's a bigger issue that 80's nostalgia dominates to this day.

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>I would have waited an eternity for this...

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>>11770084
>It's over, Prime.

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>>11770078
I never got this, a lion or ferocious beast is way cooler than a basic semitruck. a truck is only as cool as what it hauls.
The only time I cared about the hess truck was when it had a space shuttle or jet on it.
Firetrucks are decently cool though.

>>11770035
>Not every transformer ever, but some people are teying to complete the entire G1 cartoon cast or at least the movie.
Ok sure, but even so just buy the good ones.
A lot of you guys probably already have or had a perfectly good Cliff, or Astrotrain, or whoever, but you force yourselves to buy the new ones by default because NEW THING GOOD OLD THING BAD...except you won't actually really like the new ones, but still do it anyway because you "have to".
For those who that is the case, you'll have no one to blame but yourselves.

>>11770025
Are those even his pics? I've seen that background on tfw2005 many times, and I'm not convinced it's the same guy.

>>11770082
>Speaking anecdotally, which we both are
We have archives that at least get a view on these things such as bwtf site and others that can give a glimps into the past.
>HASBRO wanted that
Sales are sales anon and the best have never done good since they have offered both. From T30 Rattrp and Waspinator rotting at Ollies and the like to Takara offerings of premium decos last years without selling out, the fans of beast have just never been there like everything else.

>If that was the case, G2 would've been a bigger success.
Your reasoning flawed. "All humans walk on two legs" does not mean "All things that walk on two legs are human" G2s failure was many layers of failure such as the first years being just overpriced retools of G1 toys as well as just another redressing of the syndication of the G1 show but under a new title. By the time it was making new figures the brand was already getting stomped by Power Rangers, and X-men being the flag ship toy brands after the Turtles were phasing out. Beast Wars success was in it's novelty and the fact it was actual new media, the Beast Wars show was the first new Transformers Cartoon since 1987, a full nine years later.

>80's nostalgia dominates to this day
The Joe brand is proving that wrong to a high degree, same with MOTU and even Star Wars, but all of those legacy didn't recycle the same 98 episodes from the mid 80s for 10+ years straight. They all did new things and new shows. I feel if Hasbro's Kenner made a earth based vehicle series and Mainframe did a show on that the sales would be comparable or better.

>>11770011
Car Robots is interesting to me because it's like a branch of evolution that just never came to continue.
The car Brothers are beast era style designed Car bots with BW Neo style transformations
The JRX team is basically a take on the Magnaboss/Tripredacus teams with a higher budget.
Gigatron is like a super Transmetal with heavily Japanese aesthetics.
The Build team is a wild design for a combiner that feels like a Brave design they reworked and benefited from the boost in TF toys articulation.
Fire Convoy and God Magnus continue the increasingly elaborate engineering for leaders they had and are basically late JP G1 with BW era engineering and styling, with FC very much modern and GM being more retro.

Car Robots to me feels like what Macross7/Frontier is to SDFMacross, and we just never got that again. We've gotten much different aesthetics for sure, but not in the same way where it feels "evolved" from Takara's own work like CR.

>>11770120
Well it was suppose to be the final chapter of Japan's Beast Wars era to dovetail into Japan's G1 lore. It fuck that all up and then sum, but that's why it had comparable design philosophy.

>We've gotten much different aesthetics for sure, but not in the same way where it feels "evolved" from Takara's own work like CR
Some of that is just a lack of overall vision, again, it went sideways but Takara planned out a wide vision of what it wanted from the Transformers brand, Hasbro has also been more on chasing trends/high sales. Both came at a price, both took hits for their behavior but it's why a BWll figure and a Car Robots figure have the same toy phenotype even with 5 years apart and one's a Lion and the other is a Firetruck, where as Hasbro BW Primal and Beast Machines Primal feel like totally different toyline even thought hey are both Monkeys.

>>11770116
>We have archives that at least get a view on these things such as bwtf site and others that can give a glimps into the past.
Any examples of this? I know BWTF and other sites like Seibertron and Tformers keep good archives but we don't really have sales figures for lines before the 2000's and closeout stores aren't the best barometer for this. Lots of movie/mainline stuff from 2009-2012 was in closeout stores when the brands sales were doing well. I don't deny that Armada certainly sold better than the beast era because it's shown in the shelf space in stores expanding.

> feel if Hasbro's Kenner made a earth based vehicle series and Mainframe did a show on that the sales would be comparable or better.
Given the state of CGI and Hasbro's budget at the time, it's hard to say. There's not really any CGI shows of the time with full Earth cityscapes
BW probably had a higher budget than Voltron The third dimension, but that's a good example of a CGI show attempting to do more than was possibly on a TV CGI budget and failing. BW benefited that a setting for beasts can just be natural environments without having to render a ton of buildings or people.
I don't think the 90's was a big time for vehicles resonating with kids in general unless they were heavily stylized. Everyone always points to Power Rangers turbo being the decline of Power Rangers because they were "just cars"

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>>11769208
I don’t have a problem with bayformer designs. It’s their characterizations in the films, along with the writing and most everything else that is catastrophic.

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>>11770126
>BW probably had a higher budget than Voltron The third dimension
It was higher than War Planets/Shadow Raiders(400k and episode) but not as high as Reboots(10 Million and episode). Voltron The third dimension was one of the more expensive ones clearing over one million an episode to produce.

Early CGI was weird as fuck in terms of actual costs and developments.

>>11770125
>BWll figure and a Car Robots figure have the same toy phenotype even with 5 years apart and one's a Lion and the other is a Firetruck, where as Hasbro BW Primal and Beast Machines Primal feel like totally different toyline even thought hey are both Monkeys.
It would only have been 2 years between Lio and Fire convoy, so not even that long.
Funny thing is that BM did have some JP concept artists that worked on the CR line at the same time, and I've always argued that BM sort of makes sense if you just look at the toys and not the shows through a JP lens. The BM tiys are very Eva or late 90's mecha style with their curved and sleek designs. The show just didn't properly adapt this.

>>11770150
The show runner of Season 1 BM just didn't care. He even told them to ignore everything that came before, which is why most of the series is the train wreck that it is.

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>>11770092
Truck trailers that just unfold into a base or a turret are a waste of plastic, but if the trailer actually transforms and combines then it's 10/10.
Beastformers are fine but they work best as an in-universe contrast with the vehicles, like Predaking or the dinobots or Galaxy Force jungle planet. Beast Wars is too much animal for me.

>>11770142
And even Reboot could barely render it's city and new environments ever episode, and had the binomes as a way to have city extras without having to render human-like characters all the time.
>>11770116
>From T30 Rattrp and Waspinator rotting at Ollies
I think that's another thing about BW being the right thing for the right time. Creepy/gross critters were big in the 90's, not so much now. A lot of the Maximals lean into African plains beasts that were popular in the 90's in particular but not as much now.
Sometimes I think between the BW/BW II/Neo casts, you could hash out a more evergreen set of beast leads. Lio is the best choice for a beast leader, keep Rhinox and Cheetor, add Diver from BW II, Stampy and Cohrada from Neo. Add Wolfang and Polar claw too.
With the Preds the dinos are just cooler than the bugs the US Preds leaned on. I would just have BW Megatron and Terrorsaur(yes I know) with the Neo preds. With Dinobot as a turncoat. Add Iguanus and some other reptiles to round out the team.
I think general beasts as a series concept would sell but it'd have to be beasts that are both solid transformers and would appeal to kids today.

>>11770156
Also his ideas for doing media properties is basically the same shit: make everything darker, have bad guys win (season 3 of reboot), age up the kid appeal character (with Cheetor) and make somebody evil (Rhinox in BM). His approached only worked once on Reboot, but everything else like BM and DC Comics, it backfired spectacularly. At least he didn't run TFs into the ground like he did for DC.

>>11770164
LOL.
There are his go to points, aren’t they?

>>11770162
You have the additional problem that a kid wanting a transforming robot that's an animal wanting the animal to look like a robot too. The whole lifelike animal is actually a metal robot doesn't seem to hold with kids.

>>11770205
I think the Transmetals/Cybertron beasts are still the best looking beast former aesthetic we've had and I wish we had more. the G1 style blocky beasts are fun but get very repetitive.
It's another shift though, because both in America and Japan, BW sales were peak in the organic beast years apparently. I've seen 1997 cited as the peak of BW sales, but not sure where the source was. Metals did worse than the first season in Japan. There were more regular animal toys back then it felt like too.

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Found Nexus today
Definitely needs his own frame, can't be stealing Silverbolt's all the time

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Doesn't look too bad on the normal side, either

>>11770262
I have a feeling the early 2027 is a good portion of his limbs.
Alpha Bravo
Sky Guard
Breakaway
Guzzle

But I don’t see how they can sell a frame by itself.