What kind of mental illness would cause someone with a $100k annual passive income to want to move there?

>>2865985
Ok, no 100k for you.

>>2865982
Good question. Probably Diani Beach, Kenya or Freetown, Sierra Leone. The latter would be just absolutely lost in the most indulgent degeneracy it would be insane. Actually both places. Too many sexual opportunities to stay sane

>>2865986
>finally i’m financially free and can live anywhere i want
>so i choose to live in hell on earth

t. literally nobody

>>2865989
Only people who participate in experiment are entitled to 100k.

>>2865990
Lot of people in the comments talking themselves out of $100k. Stay poor faggots

>>2865987
>Freetown, Sierra Leone
You're sure you're not confusing Sierra Leone with Senegal? Or Gambia? There's not even streetview in SL.

>>2865993
Don't indult my geographic knowledge nigger. Sierra Leone is not like it's neighbors Liberia and Ivory Coast, for West Africa it's pretty safe. The women are vanta black and speak English, it has beautiful beaches and it would be like playing life with a cheat code. There is literally not a single woman you couldn't fuck with just a sentence or even mute and a single gesture

>>2865993
Senegalese speak French and are largely muslim and Ghana has big thicc mommas with ginormous teetas, I like skinny bitches

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>>2865982
Kingali in Rwanda. I heard it's becoming most civilized place in Africa, which will come handy when I'll need my healthcare and stuff. Meanwhile I can see myself doing something crazy, like running dealership for some Chinese car brand.

For easy mode house at the beach of Kivu lake, near Gisenyi.

>>2865997
>house at the beach of Kivu lake, near Gisenyi.
You obviously haven't been there. The place literally stinks and can at any moment have an earthquake releasing deadly gasses causing a massage casualty event.
Lake Burera is the best lake in Rwanda

>>2866000
I heard that Kivu is about to explode at some point due to water's pressure on methane on the bottom, killing everything nearby. Oh well, there are vulcanos in Italy and Indonesia that will do the same thing, yet no one cares.

But sure, I can switch Kivu for Burera as soon as it gets developed with paved roads, internet and all that 1st world shit.

>>2866001
Better just live in Kigali and commute to Burera in your G-wagon with Rwandan super models and cocaine. It's a small country.

>>2865982
South Africa.
ezpz

>>2866006
>South Africa
Escape from New York level dystopia. No fucking way. Been there twice. Absolute failed state. You'll spend all that $100k on security to survive instead tight, pink-inside pussy.

>>2865985
Coomerism
>>2865986
Good
Imagine if any African somehow deduced that you can be milked for 8000 fucking dollars a month in perpetuity. And you've stupidly decided to stay settled down in one place, so you can't just pack up and leave them behind either. It's a ticking time bomb. You'd become a paranoid recluse in some luxury gated prison that you hardly ever dare to leave.
>>2866007
How does South Africa compare to South America for street crime potential? Is it worse? There are many pale-skinned people in dangerous shitholes like Colombia, so if you're an Amerimutt you don't stand out by looks alone, only when you open your mouth and start speaking awful Spanish. In South Africa you wouldn't be able to blend in like that.
>>2866002
Don't go thinking that African ultra-luxury is somehow a bargain compared to European ultra-luxury. It's not. Africans are the kings of obscene price-gouging.
>>2866000
>get ACKed by a giant toxic brap from Mother Earth
Pretty based way to go desu

>>2866012
>African somehow deduced that you can be milked
But won't they just assume that anyway from color of my skin? In worst case scenario, it's always better to have this money than to be tortured for nothing.

>>2865982
Liberia or Uganda. Christian; friendly to USA. Growing. Anywhere away from Muzzies or tribals.

>>2866007
>It's an absolute failed state so I'd rather live in a state that has never been an actual state at all

>>2866090
Dude, you buy when it's low and not when it's getting low. Basics of investing.

>>2866082
>Liberia
lmao
>Anywhere away from Muzzies or tribals.
You do know Uganda has Muslims right. Also wth is a tribal?

>>2865994
>for West Africa it's pretty safe.
and for West Africa, super poor with no real business opportunities to speak of.

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>>2866007
>pussy
>in South Africa
LARP or actually retarded

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This is the kind of cheapass room they charge $40 USD a night for in Freetown. Anons here don't realize just how much Africans love price-gouging. We're not talking about being charged 70 baht for a 60 baht meal, we're talking about 3-4x surcharge. And if you refuse to pay, they'll laugh in your face. Some other sucker will come along eventually. You need them, they don't need you.
>but I'll rent monthly
Good luck negotiating with a fat landlord who would rather sit on an empty property than rent it out for cheap.

>>2866167
Are you gonna fuck cheap prostitutes, drug addicts or something? Just wear a condom just like you would do anywhere else in the world.

>>2866170
That's $300 a night plus 30% minimum mandatory tip in America these days.

>>2866167
Huh? Why'd you reply to me?

>>2866170
>$40 USD a night for in Freetown
Wasn't the assignment best place in Africa to live on $100k pa?
All over Sub-Saharan Africa they charge what they want and don't drop the price for market demands. This is an IQ issue. They'll sit on an empty apartment because they're not getting $1k pm they think they should and it'll just get dusty. African people are wildly unintelligent

>>2866258
>All over Sub-Saharan Africa they charge what they want and don't drop the price for market demands. This is an IQ issue.
Meh. It's phenomenon of poor countries: since there's no mass market for something (e.g. apartments with running water and electricity) sellers are getting their profit from whales, because even if they cut their prices 50%, 60%, 70% - it's still too much for poor locals, while it won't suddenly make influx of whales to happen. They also must keep prices, because once someone drops his price, he starts a pricing war with other sellers, which 99/100 times is bad for everyone.

In Africa this phenomenon turned to extreme because it's the poorest place on the planet. It has nothing to do with IQ, on individual level it's actually right thing to do. Fact that most of niggers don't get out from being poor so they can afford goods and create mass market, has to do with their low IQ.

>>2866261
>Meh. It's phenomenon of poor countries
No anon. It is not. There are many countries that resemble Africa in terms of infrastructure and market availability that do not have the same asynchronous market prices. I have been all over Africa and I have never seen the same stubborn inability to adapt to market pressures. You cannot see this pricing in Cambodia, Indonesia, Peru, Bangladesh etc. It's the African mind and culture. Price-to-rent should be 1% as an international rule. Retard Africans build a house for $40k and want $1000pm. The rest of the world intuitively adapts to the 1% rule

>>2866262
>Cambodia, Indonesia, Peru, Bangladesh
Of the countries you mentioned poorest are Cambodia and Bangladesh with nominal gdp per capita of over 2500$ (more like 3000$ in optimistic assumption). Rwanda, which has ambition of being "Singapore of Africa" is little over 1000$. Sierra Leone is around 900$ in most optimistic assumptions.

African landlords would need to drop their prices x3 in comparison to poorest Asian countries to meet local demand. Since it means decrease of quality as well, you're ending up with what happens in Africa: most of population lives in shitty shacks. Since that quality is unacceptable to Europeans (who always have status of whales, due to disparity in wealth), Africans build bare minimum that is acceptable to whales, but even at the lowest reasonable price, this still isn't affordable for local mass market. So whale hunting begins.

I've lived through this phenomenon, since I grew up in post-commie country. Even in 2000s when foreign band was playing in here, prices of merch was going up 30%, 40%, 50% in comparison to prices in e.g. Germany. Vast majority of locals wouldn't pay "German" prices for a t-shirt. Those few who came to the gig with intention of buying original hoodie of their favorite band were willing to pay their weekly salary and they were ones who generated vast majority of profit.

However we broke that cycle of being poor, because we're not retared. Africans are generally more retarded (this is where we agree) so breaking this cycle will take much more time. However blame poor and stupid niggers for being poor and stupid, not African landlords who are doing what's reasonable - their children are seeds that will pull up these shitholes.

what kind of work are you doing to earn 100k remotely?

>>2866282
>work
But it's not "passive" income then?

>>2866261
>>2866265
Man you almost get the full picture. You get so close at times.
When the peoples output is based on a gold mine. The people themselves can die and die and not matter because the gold mine will still be there. This is what causes whales to tise.
The whales don't need intelligent people to mine dirt. This is why the IQs do not rise. The whales do not spend money on raising peoples IQs.
What you say needs more time just really means the mines (or similar industries) need to be finished/ run out of materials for things to advance.

You used the example of commies. Then you might know what happened to russia. Why the money got concentrated when a few people stole ownership of state industries. And why whales exist today and so on

It's more complicated but this should make you understand the world a little bit better.

>>2866265
having a different culture does not have anything to do with being retarded, africans would equally say white people are retarded for not getting married or having children, why do you retards always need to introduce iq to everything, just because people are stubborn to change the way you want them to change, does not have anything to do with intelligence, and the reason why this is such an issue for western countries is because the immigration is one way, if more white people were trying to immigrate into third world countries we would get the same complains about retardedness when all it is is stubbornness, i mean its 2026 for god's sake, for someone who professes to be well traveled you should have better insight into this

>>2866299
>The whales do not spend money on raising peoples IQs.
You can't raise peoples IQ. More intelligent people need to have more children than less intelligent to increase IQ in some population. That's why I said children of reasonable landlords are seeds that will pull up Africa, because any nigger would snatch any dollar you have to sell you something, but to impose conscious policy and discipline to stick with it is what separate better people from inferior people.
>>2866307
>for someone who professes to be well traveled you should have better insight into this
My dude, I don't know anyone who travels to Africa and isn't at least a bit racist. That would be suicide.

>>2866311
If these people are so intelligent, why do they get scammed all the time?

>>2866318
Who is getting scammed?

>>2865982
none of the above

>>2866311
That is a correct piece of the puzzle. What you described is trust. What I am trying to tell you is that trust only happens when the politics /flow of money even allow it to. "Why nations fail" Daron Acemoglu, James Robinson.
What reason would the son of a gold mine owner have to trust the sons of farmers? None.
Even Christian bible religion is still political. Having the qualities to not destroy your community or even raise it with no direct benefit to you is the reason to be kept alive in a future after death.

>>2866170
>This is the kind of cheapass room they charge $40 USD a night for in Freetown
That's cheap since the alternative is renting out a much worse suite/room with worse amenities.

>>2866258
>They'll sit on an empty apartment because they're not getting $1k pm they think they should and it'll just get dusty. African people are wildly unintelligent
That's phenomena everywhere. People would rather sit and speculate on housing then let poorer rentoids use it. Why bring IQ and race into it, $40 USD a night isn't even pricey at all.

>>2866261
>Fact that most of niggers don't get out from being poor so they can afford goods and create mass market, has to do with their low IQ.
It's from the fact that most industires are either super developed and competitive with high costs of entry or they are up against much more larger/populated states. The entirety of East Africa is 500-515 million which is super sparse semaphored to other parts of the world of a similar with way more people.

>>2866311
>You can't raise peoples IQ. More intelligent people need to have more children than less intelligent to increase IQ in some population
That's not how IQ works retard
>That's why I said children of reasonable landlords are seeds that will pull up Africa.
Landlords don't crate jobs retard.
>any nigger would snatch any dollar you have to sell you something, but to impose conscious policy and discipline to stick with it is what separate better people from inferior people.
Stop projecting your insecurities upon others using shitty pseudo-science.

>I don't know anyone who travels to Africa and isn't at least a bit racist. That would be suicide.
How much of a pussy are you?

>>2866311
being racist just means you are willfully ignorant of an entire race of people and are not willing to learn why said people act the way they do, it doesn't mean what you think it does, it actually says you have little capacity for empathy, or are just generally retarded and can't attribute behaviour to its causes, if you want to be properly racist and educated about it, be a culturalist, you hate a particular culture because of particular reasons, not an entire race of people who you've never met, based on shallow attributes like skin colour and media propaganda

>>2866558
>That's not how IQ works retard
Intelligence is genetic. Just like all parts of human's physiognomy, construction of brain is genetic.
>Landlords don't crate jobs retard.
Who builds these buildings? Who plumbs and electrifies them? Who is cleaning them? Just landlord himself? Then he deserves all the benefits.
>How much of a pussy are you?
It's not about being pussy or stupid. Europeans are amongst highest trust societies on Earth. You can't bring that trust to Africa because Africans will expoilt it and they'll ultimately devour any European that treats them like he would treat other Europeans.

Secret of having good time in Africa is to expect the worst from every person you met. Then you're about to be positively surprised from time to time and these moments will shine like diamonds.

>>2866565
>goes to one city in africa and calls the entire continent low trust
yes they don't trust whitey foreigners and their saviour complex, that's why you, a self proclaimed high iq person, keeps getting scammed, it says nothing about whether they trust each other as you so want to imply

>>2866566
>yes they don't trust whitey foreigners and their saviour complex, that's why you, a self proclaimed high iq person, keeps getting scammed
So you just admitted that healthy dose of racism (because literally that what prejudice towards niggers is) is necessary for every white person travelling to Africa. Otherwise that person is scammed which proves that person's stupidity, yes?
>it says nothing about whether they trust each other
Highest trust society in Africa I know are probably Rwandans who were groomed into this after genocide in some social experiment. And even in Kigali they "decorate" top of their fences with broken glass to deter thieves. Yes - these are rich people protecting their property from poor people and this is exactly how social (or lack of) trust reveals itself.

I've seen something similar (but usually standard barbwire) in some parts of Balkans, which means in terms of social trust scale of Africa starts where Europe ends.

>>2866572
so who is the stupid one, btn the whitey bringing their saviour complex and the african, i admitted to nothing, if you are calling yourself high iq and getting scammed, you are the stupid one and should stop complaining, even africans get scammed by their own from time to time, europeans scam each other too, even on a larger scale, case in point is what the eu tried to do to russia, blowing up their pipelines, germany getting scammed by america because they were too stupid to rely to turn off their nuclear power stations, so much for your high trust society, so you are not saying anything original

in fact, i would argue that the reason why europe is such a bureaucratic hellhole is because they are afraid of getting scammed by bigger american multinationals, africans have high fences and europeans legislate everything like their lives depend on it, and let's not even talk about the world wars, the biggest scam the world has ever seen, killing dozens of millions of your own people on a whim that the royal houses, who were related by blood, could not come to a resolution, after 2000 years of living with each other in a 'civilized' manner, you could not find a way not to kill each other, and now we have the ukraine-russia war, the eu getting scammed by america to allow the yankees to deploy their assets at russia's door even though putin was always against, countries scamming each other on industrial scale but you want to preach to us how high trust your society is after 2000 years of roman rule

>>2866574
>saviour complex
White saviours are different to most travellers. They're most racist of all, but in condescending way when they see blacks as something between animals and children. Even when they're scammed they don't care that much, just like they don't care that local monkey pissed in their shoe.

Rest of your post is silly, low IQ raving, that you think makes you look smart but it's actually opposite.

>>2866579
of course it is, that's why you love engaging low iqs, getting scammed by them and replying to them on 4chan, i don't care as much about looking smart, i know it means the world to you because that's all your culture allows you to have, i only care about facts

>>2866580
>i only care about facts
You're factually wrong on everything though.

>>2866582
your divorce rates are off the roof lmao, you can't even trust your own relationships, man and woman can't even trust each other, at this point, the 'high trust' moniker is self fellation, you are jerking yourselves off to your own farts and calling out for everyone to see

>>2866584
>you can't even trust your own relationships
You might not understand simple fact that HIV wouldn't even exist if everyone was faithful to their partner.

>>2866586
what about your suicide rates, do they go up because victims can't even trust or function in your seemingly perfect society and culture?

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>>2866588
>what about your suicide rates
Picrel.

>>2866590
and europe has the second highest despite being such a perfect high trust society, how so? isn't your intelligence and wealth enough?

>>2866593
>you're only slightly better than me
>so why are you so bad?
Dude, is this some masochistic session of self-burn shitposting?

>>2866594
yea it is, it is you claiming the moral high ground and me grilling you, call it shitposting all you want, you made the claims now defend them

>>2866599
>me grilling you
Dude.

>>2866603
is this how they do it in europe, say dude and watch everything fall into place?

>>2866258
I talked to a ridiculously thick airbnb hostess in Mombasa about this. She asked why I rented her $30 a night apartment and not the $100 one that was slightly closer to town.
I explained to her that $70 a day wasn't worth 5 minutes walking and she didnt get it. She said the unit had been empty for months except for a couple days.
I asked her what she was paying monthly for her lease. $150.
So she only needed 4 nights to cover monthly lease after airbnb cut, but she still wasnt making it. So she just rented super cheap to other Africans and kicked them out and cleaned the place if anybody was dumb enough to pay $100 a night long stay to be "5 minute walk to the beach" (actually 15 minutes), with no ac and 100kb/s garbage internet you can't even stream on.
It was just a scam and she relied on stupid naive eurotards who wouldn't fight about it to pay her mortgage.

To her, she would rather hold out for the retards to pay up, than try to market the place and get more customers, which means more cleaning and more hassle.

Other poster is right. Housing in Africa was all about whale hunting just like gacha whales.
You wind up paying western prices for barely-livable conditions. Or more than western luxury prices for actual comfort.
It's pretty strange, and was one of the contributing factors for me leaving east Africa.

You can live anywhere in Africa for 100k a year, but if you have any sense about money at all the extremely bad value you are getting for what you spend will bother you eventually.

>>2866609
if you want quality housing, then stay in a hotel, i don't understand where this need for convenience is coming from especially coming from a world where housing needs are different to the one you are going, or just stay in a high end neighbourhood, you know the difference in african housing depends on the wealth gap inequality which is high, not like europe where housing is standard and uniform, and yet you are surprised when you get here, there are tonnes of hotels catering to tourists but somehow, you ignore them all and base all your criticisms on a market that has just sprung up a decade ago with airbnb's inception

>>2866605
>watch everything fall into place
Pretty much. When some person calms down and with cold head reads what ridiculous pile of nonsense he wrote, it's usually enough. He knows what he did and how it made him look. Further poking that person is cruel.

>>2866621
you wish

>>2866586
>HIV wouldn't even exist if everyone was faithful to their partner
Lmao that's not how HIV works at all.

>>2866572
>So you just admitted that healthy dose of racism (because literally that what prejudice towards niggers is) is necessary for every white person travelling to Africa.
How much of a pussy are you? An old white Saffer woman did Cape to Cairo twice and her only issue was the long ass waiting times at the border.

>Highest trust society in Africa I know are probably Rwandans who were groomed into this after genocide in some social experiment
You seriously don't know what "High trust society" means at all. Why constantly misuse a term like that?

>>2866565
>Who builds these buildings? Who plumbs and electrifies them? Who is cleaning them? Just landlord himself? Then he deserves all the benefits.
Not really. Most landlords do the bare minimum of upkeep in developed markets in the west. A local guy running a used import car dealership and mechanic shop contributes more to the economy than a Landlord who basically speculates.

>no mention of Botswana
literally no brainer

>>2866788
What bullshit. Of course sticking to one partner avoids. What are you going to deny basic math. Must be a troll.
The only mass rates of spreading would be from improper handling of contaminated materials.

>>2866789
>what "High trust society" means
Please explain what it is.

>>2866836
>Botswana
Pros:
>relatively civilized
Cons:
>no ocean or lake to chill
>1/3 of population has hiv

>>2866914
it's a fiction of your imagination

>>2866618
Hotel quality sucks in value:money as well. Stop talking neverbeen larper.

Why is it with any thread these days we have some faggot chiming in to claim that all negative elements we experienced personally are figments of our imagination?
It always has the same whiny deluded tone, like its just one dude rabidly speech policing every single thread where white people talk about quality.

Really crazy behavior

You can have all the Africa you want in the dose you want if you live in UAE. There are districts that are entirely African. The difference is you can leave whenever you want.

>>2866935
make me, poorfag, or just go back home to your one room apartment

>>2866938
My favorite parts of Africa are hot and wet, all day, all night, all year. Subtropics like UAE just won't scratch that itch.

>>2865982
>Place in Sub-Saharan Africa that you would consider live in
Kigali (long term political might be tricky)
Gaborone (might be a bit small / boring)
Windhoek
Cape Town

I genuinely enjoyed staying in all those towns (with some minus points for Cape Town on security)

if islands count
add Réunion to the list
probably the easiest choice

maybe Nairobi, Mombasa or Brazzaville
though I'd trust Kenya more than Congo long term
the (few) other nice parts of South Africa might also be an option, somewhere in the winelands

everywhere else is either impossible to keep close to my current (central European) standard of living
or it's otherwise a complete disaster
like Lagos technically has everything on paper, but in reality it's just one of the worst cities to live in or even visit

>you have annual passive income of 100k
you'd be surprised how expensive "premium" things are in many sub sahara African countries
100k/y in Bulgaria will unironically feel like more than the same sum in Kenya

like wanting to sleep in a basic but decent hotel that's would run you 100€/night in central Europe will be >200€/n (though better service, but same hard product)
also transport is stupendously expensive
regional flight routes don't have budget airlines, so 200-300€ easily for an 1,5h flight and if you want a nice car everything will be double
imports also add up, like getting good appliances
"western style" restaurants also are >10€ per meal (not expensive but also not cheap)

though land and labor are cheap

>>2865997
>it's becoming most civilized place in Africa
until...
Paul Kagame leaves or dies
or the conflict in the DRC Rwanda is fueling spills over

currently though true
just incredible densely populated
but Kigali is really nice

>beach of Kivu lake
why though
lake Kivu is really nothing you want to be near at

the most beautiful natural places are near / in the national parks because that's were it's less densely populated
>Virunga Mountains
>Nyungwe Forest
>Akagera National Park

i think there are some private villas in Akagera
so that would be an option

lakes are generally not that great because bilharzia, other parasites and mosquitoes (which are otherwise rare in Rwanda)
so not really for swimming anyway

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Malawi, Sambia or Tansania seems ok, apart from the current political unrest. Malawi does have nice mountains, looks like the scottish highlands. Without any research it probably go to Namibia though, just because I assume there is some german order left. I probably never visit though, apart from the islands

>>2865982
Anywhere with the lowest rate of aids amongst Women and least violent crime. Likely it would be Kenya or Tanzania because the western and southern half of the continent is just madmax besides namibia and some tiny state I can't remember the name of.

>>2867014
>lowest rate of aids amongst Women
kek
it got a lot better in recent years

>and least violent crime
you'd be surprised
apart from South Africa, Nigeria, active war zones or terrorist territories
violent crime is actually "only" up to 2-3x of what it is in most of Europe,
some countries are even comparable to the "worse" EU countries and better than the US

petty crime is often super prevalent though (with some exceptions like Rwanda)
but also easy to avoid

overall it's still a lot better than South America in that aspect

>>2865982
Lusaka, Zambia has a growing tech/startup scene and the country itself is stabilizing economically from what I’ve read. And then there’s all the copper so investment money will be flowing in for years to come. So Zambia would be my pick. But I’d also be interested in Namibia and Botswana as they’re purportedly two of the safest countries in subsaharan Africa. I’ve always been fascinated by Mozambique as well. I don’t speak Portuguese and the northern half has been dealing with terrorism for years. But I’d still be interested to visit Maputo and some of the beach towns. Mozambique seems like it could be poised for big things in the future.

>>2867000
>Paul Kagame leaves or dies
He seems to create well organized deep state that should keep country rolling in same direction when that happens.
>conflict in the DRC Rwanda is fueling spills over
I'm putting my bets on DRC being so forever messed up to not be capable of pushing conflict to Rwanda's territory.
>why though lake Kivu
Let's put aside war, M23, ebola, parasites, malaria, deadly gases and all stuff I hope won't happen to me. Climate is mild and there are some beaches to enjoy sunsets over the lake. Gisenyi itself has vibe of chill summer resort and roads are good enough to ride a convertible.

>>2867014
good thing about african crime is that there are rarely guns involved, except maybe in the biggest cases which happen rarely, less than 10 times a year, the rest of crime is usually just theft, fraud, domestic violence, arson, etc the politicians are the biggest thieves though. HIV is usually confined to pockets, in kenya its usually prevalent around lake victoria because of a tribe's cultural practices differing from the rest of the country, you really have to stop looking at africa as some homogenous culture, you are missing out a lot by being ignorant of cultural practices of certain regions and tribes, that's how dumb euros get scammed whenever, applying some homogenous euro logic to an extremely diverse landscape and calling the natives dumb when they are the ones who've refused to learn

>>2866167
1. 25 years out of date
2. you're not catching aids as a dude unless you're the one getting fucked in the butt or injecting drugs, look up the transmission rates broken down by sex act if you don't believe me

>>2867065
>seems to create well organized deep state
currently...
succession might lead to conflict though
Rwanda is on (semi) bad terms with basically all of their neighbors

>putting my bets on DRC being so forever messed up
that's exactly the problem though
Rwanda more or less openly supports M23, even sends troops to fight alongside them against the FARDC
this works because M23 is desperate, but otherwise it's a really "exploitative" relationship
I wouldn't call it stable

the Rwanda <-> DRC border is basically open
so once their relationship deteriorates or M23 loses power, Rwanda will have a really hard time

>Climate is mild
which is true for all of Rwanda

personally I'd prefer the twin lakes near the virunga mountains
but I also like hiking a lot so

What about Cameroon?

>>2867145
>What about Cameroon?
not necessarily bad, just nothing special and not the best option

large parts of the country are off-limits due to instability of their neighbors (Nigeria, Chad and Central African Republic)
the south is fine though and has some nice parts (only been there ~1week so very limited knowledge)
and you definitely want to be in the capitol yaoundé and not on the coast in douala, as infrastructure in the capitol is a lot better

the big problem
why would you go there with better alternatives nearby...
better beaches / coast and MUCH better infrastructure?
>go to Gabon in or near Libreville
even the nature is better there
Equatorial Guinea and Republic of Congo are fine as well

>>2867159
Equatorial Guinea is fine? Please redpill me. Would you say that Cameroon is safe and at least marginally tolerant of American expats?

>>2867161
>Equatorial Guinea is fine?
compared to Chad or Nigeria it is
compared to Gabon or better countries like Botswana, Kenya or Namibia it is not

>Would you say that Cameroon is safe and at least marginally tolerant of American expats?
I'm not an american so idk
but do you speak French?
if not you're gonna have a hard time (though some regions speak English)
in any case, with the usual precautions, it is safe

also western "expats" aren't really a thing
unless you go to an airport, national parks, lodges or upscale restaurants / nightlife in douala, you're likely the only white person you'll see in your daily life
it's hard to describe if you never been to a non-touristy city in sub-sahara africa (excl SA)
you won't get treated badly (quite the contrary usually)
but it's exhausting

if you want a big expat community, you're better off in Nairobi (or South Africa, or Port Louis if Islands counts)

>>2867163
But would an American be able to move to one of these countries like Botswana or Zambia and find a good paying job? Get out of the US for a while if things get worse.

>>2867093
Nobody here is denying that Africans can be extremely cunning in pursuit of a reward. The better question is, why the fuck do you want to sympathize with Africans so much? What do you gain from explaining away their worst behaviors and thereby justifying them?
>>2866936
He lives such a sheltered life that he genuinely believes all humans are good people at heart, and "bad" people are simply traumatized & misunderstood. He doesn't realize that most humans are amoral at heart and ruthless in pursuit of a goal. The main difference is that some, i.e. northern Europeans, are extremely inhibited or fearful around strangers, while others, i.e. sub-Saharan Africans, are extremely uninhibited and fearless.
>>2866916
Isn't Botswana mostly a vast scrubby plain? Yes, there is that famous Okavanga Delta which is full of wildlife, but it's definitely not a place for hiking. Only expensive ass safaris in 4x4 vehicles.
>>2866590
Hmm, sounds a lot like murders being classified as suicides...
>>2866606
You've got to the bottom of the price-gouging / scamming mentality. For them, the big occasional payout from a sucker, followed by a day of luxury splurging, is a whole lot more rewarding than the steady drudgery of small payments that make up the honest businessman's revenue stream. The fact that the honest businessman gets richer over time doesn't incentivize them to be honest. Rather, it makes the scammers resent the businessman and want to rob him for another big payout. Uganda threw out its entire Indian population for one reason only: they were working too hard and making too much money. The Indians were forced to sell all their shops, homes and other assets at cut-rate prices, if not abandon them entirely. But the steady stream of cash that the former owners enjoyed was gone, because the native owners were only interested in easy money.

>>2867371
>But would an American be able to move to one of these countries like Botswana or Zambia and find a good paying job?
unlikely

depends on your skills
there's a bunch of jobs in tourism that pay okayish, but not in Zambia (no relevant tourism) maybe Botswana (probably too small)
e.g. GM of luxury lodge, solar / water technician, pilot (plane or hot air balloon), maybe manager of your own travel agency
but the bulk of these jobs will be in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda and South Africa though
also all those jobs are in the ~2-5000€, up to 10k€/month at the absolute max range, which is comfortable but far from rich

>>2867389
>Isn't Botswana mostly a vast scrubby plain?
in the eastern and northernmost parts you have a little more vegetation
and during the wet season it's quite green in most parts

but otherwise yes

>definitely not a place for hiking. Only expensive ass safaris in 4x4 vehicles
it's a cool place for overlanding and camping

if you live there you 100% own a 4x4
you need it for your daily life anyway

>Uganda
that's a really bad counter example
overall it's a really cheap country, even their national parks are significantly cheaper than their neighbors
not even the very touristy stuff felt overpriced (except one "museum") when I was there last year