>>2866451
You can take children with you or just park them at relatives or friends. Childless people always make a big deal about not being able to travel with kids but unless you completely lack a social circle it’s really not that hard. And if you take them with you you can experience family vacations which have their own charm, especially knowing that if done right you can create great core memories for your children.

>>2866451
Having kids is great, at least older kids like 5+, because it gives you a reason to revisit certain places from a different fresh perspective and see them appreciate it

>>2866469
gen alpha kids are too glued to their ipads to appreciate travel

>>2866474
It's the parents fault if this happens

>>2866451
Only internationally, having kids will show you how much cool shit is within a day's drive of your house.

>>2866479
children are more influenced by their peers than their parents. doesn't matter how much you shelter them, all their peers will phone zombies.

>>2866484
Peers can't buy them ipads

>>2866484
>blames others instead of themselves

>>2866488
Yes, just somehow stop all the other lazy parents at school from buying tablets for their kids. Smart comment, idiot.

>>2866505
You have responsibility and agency over your own kid, dumbass

>>2866507
you only have so much control, and it decreases more and more as they go to school and get older. the only answer is homeschooling

>>2866451
This post made me think of how there's a few travel bloggers/vloggers out there of parents taking their kids all over the world traveling permanently. On the one hand it's an exciting life for the kids on paper but I also can't help but feel like the parents are super selfish by depriving them of a normal upbringing and steady peer group.

>>2866530
Just don't buy them an iPad you dense retard

>>2866537
they'll just use it at their friend's place

>>2866538
The point is that if you reduce it at home and raise them properly they won't get addicted.

>>2866533
Children who moved around a lot while growing up are usually never well adjusted. It sucks when you can’t have any long term friends because of your parents.

>>2866561
They seem to prefer communicating with adults as opposed to hanging out with 'locals' their age, and come off as annoying and needy. They overwhelmingly have American-ish accents, and everything they say seems to have an air of being a complaint, or "I've seen better", even though I don't think they intend it this way.

>>2866481
My parents HATED traveling with us six kids. They were lazy and irritable and easily angered, so the slightest inconvenience or noise from the back would make them go berserk with yelling and spitefulness. I was basically the only one in the family interested in the passing scenery and the different places along the way on the rare occasions we went somewhere new. But soon enough it was back to homework and endless chores and all the unpleasantness of being stuck inside a house with people who are constantly hyper-emotional and creating drama.
>>2866563
But these experienced youths are much more competent at handling life challenges in this socially fractured modern age than the sheltered manchild who still hangs out playing vidya with his high school besties at age 27 and wouldn't be able to live without mommy.
>but they are annoying
Premature maturity can be just as repellent a character trait as immaturity desu. Young people hate other youths who are always serious, clinically observant and disdainful of tomfoolery...because we give off an air of superiority.

>>2866530
Control isn't the answer. Parents need to build strength of character. That's why so many White families send their kids on outdoor excursions, because the difficulties build their internal fortitude. Also, teaching them to be disdainful of degenerate culture is key. Travel does make a young person view human behavior with a much more critical eye, because they aren't stuck in a tunnel of limited life choices like the homebodies are. When you've already seen so much and met so many interesting characters, going to a house party to get shitfaced and snort cocaine seems like awfully trashy and degrading behavior. It doesn't seem like the pinnacle of excitement and fantasy that it does to the dopamine-starved loser who is too stupid & sheltered to make conscious choices based on foresight of the consequences.
>>2866530
Believe it or not, there are schools where children are focused on learning first and foremost, not hooking up and trying drugs and learning how to speak slang like ooga boogas.

>>2866571
>Believe it or not, there are schools where children are focused on learning first and foremost, not hooking up and trying drugs and learning how to speak slang like ooga boogas.
Yeah, schools for LOSERS

>>2866451
>check stroller on bridge, pick it up when deplaning
>carry baby into our ANA "The Room" seat
>have comfy flight
having kids hasnt stopped us from traveling, i still do a solo week each year but family trip is doable especially with higher income

>>2866451
I have gone on three Asia trips in the last two years with two kids under 5. What now /trv/?

>>2866451
>b-but you can't travel with kids
yes I can and I do

it's actually never been easier
when my wife was pregnant we did 2 babymoons there's literally a whole industry that caters to this

the first 2-6month (until regular sleeping patterns) are rough, but who tf wants to travel there anyway

but after this it gets easy again
just... more expensive
and when they start school... even more expensive

but the actually experience traveling with kids is quite enjoyable
you just need to know where to look
like search for kids tours on historical site or museums (or just downloading some guide for kids, it's literally that easy)
traveling is also slower, lots of sudden hunger or toilet stops

you can also just make your life REALLY easy with family hotels
we go skiing to Austria every year and just switched to a dedicated "family hotel"
they have all day daycare, daily kids ski courses and evening entertainment program for kids like some game in the pool
we don't do all of that (want to spend time with my kids after all), but just that we can drop them off for an hour or 5 any time of the day makes this so easy

though city trips, hiking, or even "backpacking" / road tripping is easy with kids as well as soon as they are elementary age or up

everyone who says else is probably just a shitty parent or poor

>>2866665
>its easy to travel with kids if you have money

damn

>>2866712
what did you expect?
shoestring budgets work when your a student in your 20s
but most 30yo already avoid hostels, cheap night buses or dining at a run down corner shop

and it's not like that much more expensive
a family hotel will cost 400€/n instead of 200€, but that also includes childcare, a room big enough (instead of getting 2) and a bunch of other stuff you'd otherwise pay for

also kids tours in museum or historical sites are often even cheaper

the only expenses that go up no matter what are
>food (if you dine out)
>airplane tickets (if older than 2y)
>entries in non kid friendly countries
but for everything else it's almost the same
most airbnbs have an extra couch or bedroom anyway, most (rental) cars fit 4-5 people anyway, and many countries / sites are free for children anyway (sometimes up to 25yo like greece)

>>2866660
irresponsible

am i the only homosexual here?

>>2867547
My ladyboys mog these guys' wives day in and day out.

>>2867547
As a matter of fact OP is a faggot

I've taken my toddler up the alps. A newborn might take away a year but afterwards it's mostly all open agian.

>>2867563
Heh man of taste ;3