Lol that's why I stay out of Buffalo. I don't think there's anything there to see but ghettos. There's lots of nice stuff to see in NYS, but it isn't in Buffalo. I enjoyed Treman State Park last year.

>>2867505
>What went wrong, here?
insane taxes
insane laws
insane anti work mindset

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9/11 was bad.

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>>2867505
Cuomo was fucking atrocious at actually governing the state – he preferred to LARP as mayor of NYC until his entire party went down in flames. Nowhere outside the city has a functioning economy. The wealthy all moved on 15 years ago and left nothing behind.

No sense of community or brotherhood because New Yorkers have the biggest egos on the east coast (unearned, of course). No real culture – the state is a pariah among the northeast.

Picture a group of hobos sitting around a tire fire and you'll understand New York. I grew up there, moved to Providence just before the pandemic, and never had even the slightest urge to go back.

>>2867515
>no real culture
I know you are talking about just the city I guess, but upstate NY does have culture. It has the highest concentration of roadside farm stands I have ever seen selling produce, dairy, meat, flowers, fruit, and even unusual homemade jams, tinctures, and vinegars, as well as lots of interesting types of honey and maple syrup for good prices. Just don't go on a Sunday cuz some of them are religious and aren't open then - Friday and Saturday are best. Some of the stands have auto-pay - a cash box and/or an iPad to ring yourself up on.

And there's lots of cute little gorges - among them the famed Letchworth State Park. But I agree there are lots of rules and regulations and it can get crowded.

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>>2867515
>I grew up there, moved to Providence
Welcome home. It goes through waves and is mogged by Boston in nearly every single way, but I love living in Greater Providence

I stopped in Albany once on the way to Montreal. It was one of the most hellish cursed places I had ever seen in the US. Only kinda cool thing was the main plaza, but everywhere else was a shithole. In fact all of upstate NY past Albany is a total wasteland up until Canada. It's surreal.

Is the Buffalo-Rochester side on NY also that bad?

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>>2867541
I missed seeing Albany itself, I stayed in the catskills at this elderly gay couple's home and THAT was an experience itself (house was a bit falling apart), but it didn't seem that bad just small.
I was there to hike - have you seen Thacher State Park? It's very nice. Albany is just a base to hike the Catskills.

Rochester has verrrrry pretty old buildings but a lot of blacks and crime and a bad vibe. I had some GREAT Italian food in a sort of gentrified neighborhood (homemade rigatoni ++) and there's waterfalls IN the city you can see (but they don't make the parking clear and the signage is terrible). I want to go back to Rochester but be selective of where I go, the ghetto parts are best missed.

Now, UTICA, Utica is cursed. Do not enter that forsaken place. And I say this as someone whose grandpa grew up there.

Also, you can get a better angle here looking out more but you have to hop a fence and shimmy down to a narrow cliff edge and it was very windy when I was there. NY does that a lot where the best views involve hopping a fence.

>>2867541
I wouldn't describe Albany like that. It looked pretty interesting to me, coming from rural New Hampshire, and also quite black & ghetto. Lots of people on the street on a sunny September afternoon. Public transport everywhere. If you want to visit a muttmerican city, you're gonna have to accept the presence of bad-smelling muttmericans loudly expressing theyselves on every street corner.
>>2867541
Plattsburgh is all right, a rather sleepy downtown and not too many cuties. They have some nice greenway trails, a lake beach, etc.

Oswego and Malone were two places I really didn't care for in NYC, mainly because there was hardly anything on the streets besides cars driving around. The closer you get to Canada, the grumpier the people get. Canadians really are some of the snootiest and most passive-aggressive hostile people on Earth, dunno how they got an unearned reputation for being polite.

>>2867562
Oswego has a fort by the water you can walk around and I wanna say you can do boat rides from the shore and there's a dock you can walk out into the water. When I was there there was a mom and her kids and I think they tried to go swimming and you weren't allowed to and maybe someone yelled at them for it and the daughter was crying and wearing a swimsuit it was messy.

Oswego had a cool little art store that I got a glass bowl at so don't knock it entirely. What it enticed me much more was the Tug Hill Plateau. That was a cool area, there's some gorges there (well, 2 of them), and it's quite scenic and quiet and there's lots of waterfalls but NYS is anal about not letting you swim unless theres fucking lifeguards at a waterfall (Treman State Park). Also the Maple Museum in the Tug Hill area was fantastic and worth the drive if you like looking at old-timey equipment up close.