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>Let's face it: sooner or later, with the Simpsons so popular, the show will be destroyed by the very system and facet of society that it has made its reputation criticizing. This shameless, blatant promotion of "The Critic" could well be the narrow end of the wedge for that.
Was this usenet nerd from 1995 right? Is "A Star is Burns" really when The Simpsons started to go to shit? Was Matt Groening justified in his temper tantrum when he decided to remove his name from the credits?
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>>218303205
Yes, Mr. Chuck, everything fucks
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>>218303205
shouldn't they be trying to do some spinoffs while some of the side characters still have their voices
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>>218303205
It was a shitty and gay crossover and should have never happened.
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>>218303266
Gay? Maybe. Shitty? No fucking way. It's a hilarious episode.
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>>218303205
Al Jean (created The Critic, showrunner on the Simpsons season 4-5 and 13-33) ran the show in the fucking ground. The first season of the critic was ok, but the second season was absolute dogshit. If you ask me, he made the Simpson shit on purpose as revenge for Fox killing the show (after getting booted off ABC)
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>>218303397
It's a great episode
‘Scooby-doo can doo-doo, but Jimmy Carter is smarter!’
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>>218303397
>Boo-urns
>TO A BIGGER HOUSE
>FLIM Springfield
>we both made shells for the Nazis, but mine worked
At best, four good jokes from that ep.
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>>218303262
They should have done Chief Wiggum PI
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>>218303460
>FLIM Springfield
That's from Radioactive Man.
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>>218303460
You forgot the big budget remake of Man Getting Hit By Football starting George C. Scott.
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>>218303403
The Critic was a show made by Jews about an ugly, fat Jew that fucks a new hot White woman every episode, then gets a Southern White gf. It was a humiliation ritual and I have the whole series on DVD, it was hilarious.
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>>218303205
no
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>>218303205
The funny thing is the episode that actually signals the end of Classic-era Simpsons is a season 11 episode where John Goodman gets his ass kissed while playing a biker. There is no reason for it, they just do it. It isn't like John Goodman was a huge get at the time.
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>>218303460
>How do you sleep at night?
>On top of a pile of money, with many beautiful ladies
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I didn't even know it was a crossover because I had no idea that fat midge was from another TV show wheb I was a kid. I think it's a fun episode but knowing it's a crossover taints it a little.
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I remember liking that episode as a youth? I thought the critic was mostly ok as well.
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It's just autism. The show started sucking when the good writers left, not because they did a crossover episode or changed Skinner's backstory for a joke in one episode.
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It's a great episode. You couldn't even tell it was a crossover if you didn't know.
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>>218303559
Written by John Swartzwelder, who everyone loves to suck off. He also wrote The Frying Game, one of the worst episodes ever.
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>>218303612
I find it funny how redditors shit over that episode with Skinner, but we already saw him referencing a troubled life in the streets of Louisiana in that spin-off episode
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>>218303620
Except for the part when Bart complains about crossovers when watching The Flintstones Meet the Jetsons on tv, and says he feels dirty after saying "everyone should watch your show". Also when Sherman invites them to his show at the end of the episode and they say "yeah, we're not doing that".
But to be fair I never realized it was a crossover either when I was a child.
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>>218303205
Just a transactional episode within the golden age to Meta Simpsons.
Basically 1-2 is the Irreverent Wholesome Era
>Bart is a bad boy, but ultimately good learner of lessons.
>Homer is an idiot but ultimately smart and well meaning father
>Flanders is simply a neighbor who has it a step better.
>Lisa is the gifted child who can give Bart a lesson from literature.
3-5 is the Zany Cartoon Sitcom era
>Homer is still typically smart and well intended, but has a tendency to being a jerkass to trigger the plot
>Bart is a wise talking badass who when well intended can save the world
>Flanders is overly good, overly Christian
>Lisa is smarter than most of the adults and always gunning for the best aspects of social liberalism
6-8 is the Meta Reference era
>Homer has entered the early era of his Jerkass stages, while he typically does great things and learns good lessons, he is ultimately the main trigger to normies (George Bush, Frank Grimes) goes to space, wins a Grammy, becomes a national media pariah, meets two former presidents
>Bart is basically a god with extreme motivation, starts a casino, drives across the country on 600 dollars, saves his favorite TV show by meeting a bunch of celebrities, becomes a pariah to the nation of Australia
>Flanders is the town Republican, a total prick whose superiority finally crescendos in Hurricane Neddy
>Lisa is on her way to being president to the point they even made it an episode, a magic deus ex liberalism who can will solar panels and electric cars into mid-90s Middle America.
Seasons 9-12 Silver era/Decline to formula of Special Guest Stars to boost ratings.
>Homer complete asshole in every way, but somehow gets it right
>Bart basically Tom Sawyer like character
>Flanders basically the best and worst aspects of Christianity, at this point town Bush supporter
>Lisa has a cause every week, meets Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and every well intended Country Folk musician and media celebrity
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>>218303845
>transactional
Did you mean "transitional"?
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>>218303620
>You couldn't even tell it was a crossover if you didn't know.
You could.
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>>218304249
No, you can't. No one can.
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>>218303669
And the often reviled "Kill the Alligator and Run".
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>>218303460
Senior Spielbergo
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>>218303460
The whole film festival scene is hilarious.
>We did twenty takes, and THAT was the best one.
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>>218303205
They flushed Apu nigga
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>>218306093
That was like what? 10 years ago. In any case it was well after I stopped watching new episodes of the Simpsons.
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>>218303460

> drink, Judah-Ben Hur
> you truly are the King of Kings!
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It's a good episode. Only shortcoming is that it's glorified promotion for a show that isn't even that good.
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imagine if they crossed over with KotH and made Hank all yellow like that. How weird would that have been.
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>>218306828
I rewatched this episode when I was in the middle of reading Ben-hur and for a moment I thought that once again the Simpsons had spoiled me the ending of a classic, but it was just a silly thing like the alternate endings of Gone With the Wind or Casablanca.
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>>218307375
>the alternate endings of Gone With the Wind
"Didn't that movie used to have a war in it?" is still one of my favourite lines.
I dunno how they do it but Moleman somehow knocks it out of the park almost every time he shows up.
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>>218303205
>The Simpsons
>Popular
Yeah, maybe 25 years ago..
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>>218308255
That comment was written 30 years ago, retardbro.
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>>218308094
Are you really allowed to execute people in a local jail?
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>>218303559
I don't remember that episode kissing his ass, or at least not any more than the Lisa Kudrow season 10 opener or "When You Dish Upon a Star", the obvious pick when complaining about guest stars, also in season 10.
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>>218310112
In many ways Moleman was Kenny before Kenny, since his death was often implied.
Here's a deleted Moleman scene from S8E16 that's pretty funny. I'm surprised they didn't keep it in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyS1D4dgXBU
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>>218303544
I missed when /tv/ used to not be filled with poltroons whining about Jews 24x7
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>>218303205
You guys ever notice that the Jay Sherman characters’ parents on The Critic are just carbon copies of FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt? Even their names are Franklin and Eleanor. I was watching this movie called Sunrise at Campobello the other night and it hit me when they looked and sound fed just like the critics parents and were even wearing the same clothes that they do in one scene
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>the simpsons became bad because of they sold out maaaan
no the writing became shit. A cynical crossover to promote another show in the hands of the golden age writers is a classic episode. The writers became shittier, less quality control.
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>>218311262
>I'm surprised they didn't keep it in.
That episode already was so long that the intro didn't even have a chalkboard gag, and that scene didn't add much to the plot.
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>>218311367
you miss a time that never existed?
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>>218311443
>The writers became shittier, less quality control.
As a result of caring more about profits than making a good show and following Bart's advice of running the sucker down to the ground. Quality, shmuality.
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>>218311367
Epic post, fellow 4channer!
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>>218313235
Newfag
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>>218312326
>t. election tourist
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>>218313980
Kids, kids, you're both right.
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I'm rewatching the critic. It still makes me laugh.
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>>218303595
Same but I still thought it was weird how the episode made him butt head with Homer framing them as somewhat equal. That explains it.
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>>218311367
Stop raping kids you freak
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>>218303262
I'd use the second movie to end the Simpsons and relaunch it as Springfield. Now they've got the entire town's cast to choose from and aren't tied down by having to include the Simpson's in every episode
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>>218303205
I just thought the Critic was a simpsons character. Didn't even know it was crossover until the late 10s
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>>218316321
Same. Kids don't question shit like this, they accept at face value.
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>>218315946
It would be shit regardless. Why even bother?
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>>218303845
homer went to space in season 5
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>>218318144
And "So It's Come to This: A Simpsons Clip Show" in season 4 is full of meta references.
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>>218316321
They did change him to be yellow so he looks like just another Simpsons character. And he's introduced interviewing Reiner Wolfcastle, an established Simpsons character. It had a different setup than crossover episodes of some other shows, which start with the characters clearly in their own respective universes.
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>>218303205
Never even realized this wasn't just another original character celebrity cameo to be honest.
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>>218316325
>Kids
The Simpsons isn't a show for kids. Kids everywhere watching it is an unintended side effect of its popularity.
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>>218323751
Incorrect I understood it perfectly as a kid of 6
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>>218323775
There were jokes you didn’t get. Like when they were going to Japan and Homer was disappointed and marge reminded him that he liked Rashomon when they saw it and he said “that’s not how I remembered it”. Or when Homer told the town that “Ray Bolger is looking out for Ray Bolger” when he was pissed off at Alec Baldwin and Ron Howard in that episode where he was their butler and got fired. You probably still don’t get that joke
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>>218303205
Simpsons jumped the shark when Homer went to outer space.
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it pisses me off when ppl say season 9 is part of the decline, there aren't any bad episodes in season 9 and it has some of the funniest episodes in the series
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>>218325022
end of season 9 is as far as i go for classic simpsons
gradual decline started in 7
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>>218325022
>there aren't any bad episodes in season 9
>what is "all singing, all dancing"
Also, it wasn't a bad season per se but you could see the decline. Most of the good episodes were leftovers from previous seasons (like Simpson Tide or The City of New York vs Homer Simpson) and some episodes were just awful with a couple of good jokes here and there (par for the course for the Scully era) like Dumbbell Indemnity or Carny Bart.
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>>218307015
I liked The Critic
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>>218325592
Same. When I was a little kid they used to air reruns of it every night on some channel and I watched in my bedroom every night before I went to sleep. I would watch The Critic and Frazier and a few others every night and try to stay up until midnight so I could watch Tales From The Crypt on HBO but I’d rarely make it that far before I’d pass out. I always loved The Critic though, I could tell it was better than the Simpsons or futurama when I was nine
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>>218325511
10 and 11 are classic simpsons even if they have bad episodes in them, even season 12 has simpsons safari and skinners sense of snow which i consider essential episodes
>>218325538
i think Dumbbell Indemnity is the worst episode of the season but carny bart is pretty good, its just one of the episodes that feels more like a saturday morning cartoon rather than the simpsons kind of the same way that Homer the Vigilante does
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>>218303266
It was gay kino
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>>218303403
The second season gave us Alice Tompkins so its not all that bad. First season was funnier though I agree
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>>218303559
That episode sucks, so poorly written
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>>218303559
imo the end of classic simpsons is the last butterfinger commercial
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>>218303262
>shouldn't they be trying to do some spinoffs while some of the side characters still have their voices
Why when you can AI them perfectly?
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>>218325729
simpsons safari is awful
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>>218323991
I had seen that movie discussed online I understood what they were talking about. I win.
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>>218326379
Now explain the Ray Bolger joke
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>Er...no, I'd rather get this over with
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>>218303205
>the show will be destroyed
the simpsons is so successful that it has outlasted almost all other tv series you love, and has survived until the death of television as young people turn to streamers and other forms of user created entertainment.
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>>218323775
>Can we get rid of this Ayatollah t-shirt? Khomeini died years ago.
>But, Marge, it works on any Ayatollah. Ayatollah Nakhbadeh, Ayatollah Zahedi. Even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmara and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power.
I'm sure this made perfect sense to your 6 year old self.
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>>218326103
the part with the hippo eggs and the ending where the warlord gets overthrown and becomes a stewardess are funny af u gotta admit, also the episode title is peak "simpsons safari" sounds like it would be an episode title in season 1
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>>218329680
>stewardess
*male flight attendant
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>>218303266
IT STINKS!

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