>>218306368
It’s a prequel about the big bad guy

>>218306368
>starslop
grow up

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>>218306368
HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE

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irrefutable

>>218306368
she is just a nobody better than everybody else with no build up, isn't that the problem? also, we see Anakin become Darth Vader, he didn't succeed at the end, he failed - Rey saves the universe and takes the main guys' name for herself

>>218306414
Damm, fem!luke is lookin pretty fine

>>218306368
Retards didn't pay attention when Rey said the big fat alien from the junkyard put the boypussy in the ship.

>>218306433
>she is just a nobody better than everybody else with no build up
just like Luke

>>218306368
>this old guy knows his ship inside and out, owned and used it for decades for smuggling, knowing all the tricks to get everything out of it he could
>hurr let me just pull this part out to make me look smart to the audience
Completely disingenuous

>>218306368
>>218306414
Difference between a guy dicking around with things he's worked with his entire life and failing upwards, and a girl mastering absolutely everything the first time she's ever tried it. It's been over a decade. It's time to let get of this one.

>>218306444
Wrong, Rey is a hardcore survivor while Luke grew in a comfy home and had an easy life.

>never been refuted
What?

>>218306414
I never said that.

>>218306444
Luke doesn't teach Han about the falcon when he gets on

>>218306457
The difference is Daisy being annoying and Luke being humble and surprised when he succeeds

>>218306368
The rest are meh but Anakin being a 'chosen one' is kind of a cool idea maybe a little ill thought out but OK

>>218306368
>>218306414
Women doing anything of value is just that ridiculous. Their pussy is the only thing that keeps them relevant, they admit as much with their insults.

>>218306368
This is a lie. We fucking hated Jake Lloyd's Anakin and Jar Jar Binks. Why do you think the kid went insane? Because we all loved him too much? Grow up.

>>218306368
Anakin is not a mary sue. He is luciferian. He is a talented child whose greed and pride made him fall.

>>218306444
Point me to the part in the Disney trilogy where Rey loses a lightsaber duel.

>>218306510
>We fucking hated Jake Lloyd's Anakin and Jar Jar Binks
Chuds pretend that everyone loved them and that people were brainwashed by RLM into thinking that they were bad.

>>218306538
I didn’t mind him but I was the intended audience (a 10 year old) and not a manchild at the time

>>218306482
It really well comes down to personality. It's why people still love Anakin despite all his flaws. Daisy is a plank of wood

>>218306572
That's not a flex. TPM is the kind of movie where you rewatch it as an adult and go, "Oh wow, this sucks. I liked this so much as a kid." If you don't, you still have the mind of a child.

>>218306368
even the fags that pretend to like the prequels don't try to defend the fact Anakin did that shit as a kid, at best maybe le chosen one shit but that was typically hated by most, and at the very least it ended with Anakin falling to evil which mitigate the whole gary stu aspect, in Reys case she not only never fell but then defeated the big bad for good that Anakin was supposed to beat meaning she is technically the chosen one according to nuwars canon

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>>218306368
>>218306414
>13 times

>>218306779
>even the fags that pretend to like the prequels don't try to defend the fact Anakin did that shit as a kid
yes, chuds do.

>>218306795
damn, isn't it against the rules to post an image several times??

>>218306818
4chan has had the most inconsistent and one sided moderation in the history of website moderation for over a decade now. How is this a surprise to you?

>>218306850
The rules clearly state that an image can only be posted once and never again. Jannies, do your job!

>>218306368
>>218306414
>>218306818
>165 times
It sure is

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>>218306870
Forgot image

>>218306866
You're further proof of my point. Off topic, low quality, bait posts designed to stifle discussion and shit post. All against the rules, nothing is done about it. Yes, btw, posting the same exact image over and over and over that has already been discussed as neasum for the purpose of flooding the board with low quality shit posts IS against the rules, but you already know that.

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>>218306888
nice crop, chuddie

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>>218306888
>>218306953

>>218306774
Why would I watch a children’s movie as an adult?

>>218306444
>Luke needed Solo's help.
>Obi-wan teaches Luke and dies to Vader.
>Luke trains and gets beaten up by Vader, losing a hand.

Rey helps everyone, trains by herself and saves the galaxy for good.

Annakin was a spooky kid I thought that was the point hes darth vader u know?

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>>218306368
Rat Wars is objectively terrible, True EU canon is far superior and has better female characters.

>>218307140
wtf i hate the EU now

>>218306368
When male characters are like this they're usually written in a way that you can see the struggle and pain involved in the process. You see how they grapple with their talents and all the pressure that comes with them. Their focus is usually on how to use their abilities responsibly and how to avoid the temptation to use it for evil.

When female characters are like this there's zero of that. They're just magically talented from the get-go and smugly and snarkily rub it in your face and the face of every other character how amazing they are.

>>218306368
>Anakin is the Chosen One
Yeah, that's the basis for the Skywalker Saga.
>he built Threepio
There's a billion C3PO-style models in the movies both in the OT and PT; it's less that he built a droid from scratch and more like building a computer in parts.
>he flew a ship
Established to having flown up to the control ship on its own via autopilot, and reasoning some podracing skills transfer to spacecrafts is certainly easier than arguing Rey knows more about the Falcon than Han, or is able to fly it the way she does when escaping Jakku, or being able to beat Kylo in several duels, or so on and so forth.

>>218307043
>all the other characters are worried about rey and want to help her
>her response is annoyance

>prophesized messiah
This is a potential setup for a Mary Sue, but requires actual Mary Sue feats to confirm.
>built C3PO
He didn't build C3PO, he found him in the trash and refurbished him. Still impressive for a ten year old I guess (not a toddler).
>won a war on first flight
He didn't win a war, he helped win a battle.

>Rey is a Mary Sue
Absolutely. She instantly knew more about the Falcon than the guys who owned, operated and serviced that ship for decades. She was skilled with a lightsaber despite having no training. She did a Jedi mind trick without anyone teaching her how to do it. Neither Anakin nor Luke were able to do any Jedi stuff without training, they just had a vague sense of the Force.

>>218306368
Anakin fucks up all the time as a padawan with years of training his hand gets chopped up by Dooku as he should because Dooku is awesome and a master. Rey casts Jedi mind trick without knowing what the force is and then defeats Kylo Ren, Anakin's grandson who was raised as a Jedi his entire life.

>>218306774
The more I rewatch TPM the more I like it.

I'm fine with everything Rey does until she learns about the force and immediately uses it perfectly fine.

prequels suck
sequels suck
only the OT is canon

>>218307365
that's called stockholm syndrome.

>>218307398
Nah, I appreciate Lucas' auteur genius.

>>218307350
Luckshitting your way into the mind trick thing is probably not even that much of a feat
But you're correct about everything else anyway so it's not like it matters in the grand scheme of things

>>218306368
>t.alive during the 1990s
It was equally hated back then at the time too. I dont get whats the problem? Theyre both shit.

>>218307383
prequels and ot were written at once.

i watched star wars for the first time last year and prequels are way better

The "chosen one"/"gary sue" resonates with people because it reflects a biologicaly reality of males: boys go through a transformative process to become men. They gain strength and aggression which must be learned to be throttled, restrained, and channeled into something positive, and must resist the temptation to abuse it.

The "mary sue" phenomenon annoys people because it doesn't reflect reality: women don't go through a process anything like that. It's not that they don't struggle, but they struggle in different ways. Mary sue characters don't portray that though. They're just female shoehorned into the male role. And the audience can smell it.

>>218306384
fpbp

>>218307467
no, they were not. except we have footage of george lucas sitting down with a stack of cliffsnotes and pencil and paper to write the prequels just before they started filming.

>>218307318
That’s not true at al Jaina Solo that struggle so did Mara Jade.

>>218306368
It has been refuted a million times, faggot

>>218306368
Except nobody likes any of those

>>218306368
People hated anakin until very recently

>>218306414
Luke barely manages to survive making the shot. The whole sequence is packed with suspense showing squads going down into the trench and getting wrecked. The people backing Luke get wrecked. Luke would have been killed if Han didn't save him. As for the shot itself, they had targeting computers that could do it, Luke however chooses to trust in the Force instead of the technology, but regardless it's not the crux of the sequence.

>>218306368
No one above 10 year old liked Anakin the Wooden Boy when TPM first came out. That's why the actor was bullied irl. Lucas ruined a young boy's life but simply washed his hands of it.

>>218306368
Nobody cares about Star Wars anymore anon,except fat and greasy americucks

>>218306368
>untrained. Anakin is able to haphazardly deal a crippling blow to the control ship while its under attack from other ships already
while goofy and unbelievable, and certainly a Gary Stu moment it doesn't break with what we've established in the world building
>untrained, Rey successfully uses a completely unknown to her technique of the Jedi mind trick
Its not even that an untrained force user couldn't do this without really knowing. but the situation is her using it directly on the trooper. like she knows she can get the guard to do what she says. it shouldn't even part of her thought process that its possible to attempt, but succeeds anyway.

>>218306414
This is genuinely true and it is so funny to see the cope replies.
I have no idea why you occasionally pretend that you aren't obvious misogynists.

>>218308583
No Rat Wars is just garbage and can’t even write good female characters without making woke mary sue trash.
Ironically Disney like to claim their so feminist but the Expanded Universe they destroyed had much more impressive female characters that were actually written well.

>>218306368
Hard to believe this, kid, but people shit on anakin all the time. Rey is objectively worse.

>>218308660
I'm not denying any of that, my post still stands.

>>218306368
>>218306414
Anakin loses his mother and his wife, not to mention his limbs, and falls to the dark side due to his character flaws.
Luke loses his first duel against Vader and nearly loses his friends due to his impetuousness before learning to control himself and redeem Vader.
Rey is good at everything, is loved by everyone, is helped by everyone, has no character arc and no character flaws, defeats everyone in every battle despite having barely any training, is never wounded, doesn't sacrifice anything, and doesn't change in any way.
Luke and Anakin are actual characters while Rey is a Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert action figure. There, refuted.

>>218308765
Don't bother. It's never been a discussion on good faith. Just "like the new stuff, if you don't you're a sexist!"
They blew their load with Ghostbusters 2016. Everyone saw through the bullshit and jumped ship after Last Jedi. SW as been bargain bin at Ollies ever since.

Rey is what happens when you have trust fund baby writers with no concept of struggle and grit because they never experienced it themselves or they're abhorrent to that idea because it would reflect negatively on them as people who haven't gone through anything remotely similar since their jobs are handed to them on a silver platter.

There has never been a male character where he is
>universally adored
>instantly good at everything, better than older characters
>whenever he isn’t around, all other characters ask where he is
>only barrier is people not instantly doing what he wants

>>218306414
Luke was a child of royalty, with parentage of the nobility of Naboo and also of the upper priesthood caste. In fiction, this lets the character get away with literally anything. If Rey had been a confirmed descendant of any great bloodline, everything that she did would have been excused by the majority of viewers.

>>218309418
Luke also gets ambushed by sandniggers and needs to be saved by an old man

>>218306368
anakin always sucked ass you tard
>>218306414
luke is a sidekick in the OG star wars

>>218306368
>Everyone thought the midichlorian thing was stupid
>Building a droid from scrap is their universes equivalent of building a PC from a bunch of spare/outdated/trashed parts while working in an ewaste processing plant. Not exactly a difficult task.
>He flew on autopilot the entire battle and only fired weapons, with the help of R2

Rey just suddenly knew how to fix ships and fly them, simply because she spent her childhood scrapping a star destroyer. Not to mention it's like a total of two weeks from the start of ep 7 to the end of 8, and only a handful of months from 8 to 9, and Rey is suddenly the best jedi force wielder ever. And in those first two weeks, she not only defeated kylo multiple times, she killed snoke. With no combat training whatsoever. Anakin getting lucky with autopilot is far less egregious than Rey taking down the sithlord and his apprentice within 2 weeks of holding a lightsaber for the first time.

>>218306368
those were all shit

>>218309331
you just described tsubasa ozora

>>218309713
anime does not count at all. It leans into characters like that so completely it comes out the other side and ends up being gold again.

>>218306368
Revisionism.
Everyone hated kid anakin.

>>218306368
the prequels are still shit tho

>>218309418
>Luke was a child of royalty, with parentage of the nobility of Naboo
And it never was relevant for his achievements.

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Same with this.

>>218306368
Rey didn't turn fucking evil.

>>218310662
It's because now they get the most indigenous looking black guys and make them somber and stoic as shit, which is supposed to be deep but is actually the opposite. I've been rewatching the show Black Mirror and I've noticed that whenever there's a black character, the episode is boring and feels like one of those pretentious French films where the entire movie is just a guy walking around looking depressed. Black characters are now the modern equivalent of those films. They don't want to make them goofy, so they do the opposite extreme where they just say next to nothing and look really somber while nothing happens. This problem didn't exist with the original and prequel trilogies were made, black characters were allowed to be flawed and unique. They tried the stoic somber shit with Finn in the first one and then just retconned his story completely. It was like, "there's your black guy, bro."

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>>218306368
um..... did you not watch the movie?
they spend a whole half-hour race sequence to establish Anakin has piloting skillz. his mom tells Qui-Gon all about his developing force powers. Qui-Gon scans Anakin and science-verifies Anakin is high potenial. KID Anakin WORKS in Watto's junkshop and Watto explains how the kid fixes things all the time. even with the end sequence "luck" space battle Anakin "hangs a lantern on it" by talking to R2 about how lucky they got.

Anakin's story is FULL of exposition. IN the movie.

Rey is all just "yeah, you have to figure it out because....[?]... probably"