Nerevar was basically the only nice dunmer. And he still considered argonians furniture.

>>734002028
Yagrum Bagar was his one true love

>>734002028
Eh, if I was my own clone I'd want to fuck me and be perfectly fine with being called a non-name. So it's fine.

>>734002028
Clones don't have souls so they aren't real people. They are like argonians.

>>734002028
For some reason Jango Fett raising his own clone as his own son feels more unseemly

>>734002336
TURN AROUND

>>734003378
You think Jango Fett raising his own clone as his son, as a loving father, is more unseemly than fucking your clone daughterwives.

It's because Jango is brown, isn't it?

>>734003448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiHu_irS1xY

>>734002336
that's what the fatfuck wished

>>734002336
He dropped him to rot in his dungeon after he cured the Nerevarine and moved on to different research.

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>>734002147
>Nerevar
>"nice"
tell that to the mer whose face he stole

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>>734003378
How? It's the natural inclination to raise a strong son and instill the same values and skills.

>>734005657
He didn't need to steal anything. Reincarnation is common in TES. Dunno why people are making such a big fuss of him returning.

Did Nerevar really fly to the moon using a axe?

>>734006221
It wasn't an axe, but a hammer, and he didn't fly to the moon, he just got so hammered he might as well be on the moon

>>734006338
No it was a axe.

>>734002028
He will never register in the Godhead.

Nerevar was a champion of PSJJJJ according to Nords. Dark brotherhood on suicide watch.

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>>734005924
>he doesn’t know
I’ve never even played the game and I know

>>734002028
I killed him for his daedric armor lmao. Fucker hits like a truck though.

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>>734002147

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>>734005924
It's PTR lore, though, I think it's partly based on MK's ramblings
The man who became Indoril Nerevar was originally a nameless caravan guard for House Mora. He killed the "real" Nerevar (who was, to be fair, a greedy and corrupt man) and took his place. This imposter would wed Almalexia and leave his mark on history as champion of the Chimer.

Reminder that the first line of the 37th lesson is proof that Vivec always lied about everything and knows nothing about anything important.
>You have discovered the thirty-seventh Sermon of Vivec, which is a bending of the light, long past the chronicles of the Hortator who wore inconstant faces and ruled however they would, until apocalypse.

>>734010278
>ESOshit
who cares

>>734010278
Vivec is a liar
that much has always been true

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>>734009863
imagine MW with population density like this

>>734010618
Straight from MK's pen

>>734009863
why are dunmer women like this

>>734012890
All the women on the right are like that, it's surans whorehouse in the back there

>>734008860
What's the narrative point of this?
>Pic
Is that supposed to be teen Vivec meeting Nerevar?

>>734014627
>What's the narrative point of this?
That you can take fate into your own hands and deceive the world like black hands Mephala
>Is that supposed to be teen Vivec meeting Nerevar?
Better, teen Vivec trying to prostitute himself to Nerevar
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/what-my-beloved-taught-me

>>734002147
>Nerevar
>dunmer
Actually play the game, faggot

>>734015179
>Better, teen Vivec trying to prostitute himself to Nerevar
Oh I know the story, which is why I picked up on the little Chimer thief reading a masked Chimer's warrior's hand and the most likely pair that could be despite young Vivec not normally being depicted with tits. Who knew that trusting a prostitute in his inner circle was going to blow up in his face?

>>734009863
dunmer women and bosmer femboys LITERALLY owe me sex

>>734009863
I just noticed the nerevarine with wraithguard on the right

>>734015179
hot.....

>>734002028
Brilliant guy. I would the exact same thing.

>>734015842
Not hot enough to win Nerevar's heart, eh Vehk?

>>734013512
I imagine the sunsets in Morrowind have to be killer with all the ash in the air.

>>734009863
why does this artwork feel pozzed for some reason? something about it feels like nu-D&D or nu-blizzard art where all the different races get along and everyone is forcibly happy. lol morrowind was the exact opposite of this

>>734016436
To be fair it's supposed to be a tourist trap in Suran in front of a mixed-race whorehouse frequented by tourists. Of course there's a bunch of foreigners and of course all the whores and shysters are hanging off of them like royalty.

>>734016436
Because of just that, it's very different from the actual setting and tries to go for a more playful picture while showing off too many different things

>>734016436
Because you are unable to see anything in existence without filtering it through the lens of your idiotic culture war.

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What's the best way to play Morrowind these days? Might go for it if it got some new sourceport or whatever.

>>734016964
In Skyrim (Newest edition) on the official Dragonborne DLC of course!
Do not be fooled by using OpenMW and getting an auto install of mods from here
https://modding-openmw.com/guides/auto/

i hate gremlins

>>734018580
Gremlins don't hate you, all they want is for you to experience humor and joy.

>>734018765
Does that imply that Ocli at the abecean bazaar is not in fact a trader but merely an actor?

>>734018839
Does a good purchase not make you joyful?

>>734008860
>The man who became Indoril Nerevar was originally a nameless caravan guard for House Mora. He killed the "real" Nerevar (who was, to be fair, a greedy and corrupt man) and took his place. This imposter would wed Almalexia and leave his mark on history as champion of the Chimer.
OK bruh but I'm not taking PTR lore to heart

>>734017193
I downloaded a modlist once. For some reason it included a mod where you can punch trees and houses for wood like it was Minecraft. It just deletes the house completely but leaves the door. You can load into the interior and punch the wall and it deletes the entire interior cell. 10/10 gameplay enhancer

So, does reincarnation work by you being the reincarnated soul from birth, or by taking such and such steps to be similar enough to a dead person to be the same?

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Many such cases

>splits off mind into 6 other variants
>3 are "women"
>3 are "men" with concealed faces

>>734019904
Yes.

>>734020228
Which Morrowind character is this

>>734020585
Vivec after he married Molag Bal

>>734008860
>le knife ear Don Draper
How old were you when you realized Kirkbride is a libtard crackhead with a nigger fetish and that actual GOAT Elder Scrolls writer was Ted Peterson?

>>734020883
>Ted "Royal Marriage" Peterson
>good

>>734008860
Shit like this is why modders should stick to technical aspects and never partake in writing the story.
It's like they can't help themselves but try and "improve" the original story whenever they can, which results in pants-on-head retardation such as this.

>>734016436
It has the same aura, even though it's obviously designed for a somewhat different audience as it has scantily clad women and slaves in it.

why do secondaries think that TES is supposed to be some grimdark setting where every race is constantly trying to kill each other down to the individual level when all the main games except skyrim take place in a prosperous era dominated by an empire that actively encourages cosmopolitanism and tolerance and even the game of morrowind itself tells you that exactly half of vvardenfell's population are non-dunmer colonists from said tolerant empire

>>734016436
>>734016606
>>734021210
Ah yes, i sure do remember the Suran race war questline, now that was some classic Morrowind content right there

Fucking play the game you retards

>>734021401
Chuds masturbating about Ysgramor, mostly.

Only the Thalmor want to do that in the games proper.

>>734021401
le ebin racism memes

>>734012890
It is longstanding canon since at least Daggerfall that young elf women are a thousand times hornier than elf men and most of them go slutting it up with humans, khajiit, trolls, goblins, dogs etc for a few centuries before finding themselves and settling down with some boring elf nerd their family approves of. All the genocidal thalmor incels probably have more male human ancestors than altmer.

>>734009863
Sex with the redguard woman on the right

>>734021992
Setting aside that has literally never been a thing post-TES2, even in Daggerfall itself that stereotype was applied specifically to the Dunmer, not elves in general. Probably because sexy femme fatale dark elves are a common fantasy trope and Daggerfall was ultimately just shitty generic fantasy

>>734021401
>>734021548
Why are you so mad at people pointing out the obvious?

>>734022167
>Probably because sexy femme fatale dark elves are a common fantasy trope and Daggerfall was ultimately just shitty generic fantasy
my butthurt detector's spiking

>>734022175
>this drawing depicting a tourist town whose main attraction is its whorehouse portrayed in-game as being inhabited by individuals from all races is le woke or something because according to my friends from the /v/ skyrim threads elder scrolls races are all supposed to be le ebin racist and wanna kill each other all the time they should at least always be glaring menacingly at each other o algo

>>734021401
Try thinking in more than 2 extremes

Why are people getting so adamant about this? It's nice art but it's clearly very tonaly different from the actual game.

>>734021401
>even the game of morrowind itself tells you that exactly half of vvardenfell's population are non-dunmer colonists from said tolerant empire
And the game main quest revolves around you becoming a folktale hero of dunmer that they hope is going to drive away the Empire (and its people with it).
The main antagonist of the game is also quite open about eradicating non-dunmer as part of his master plan.
Even wholesome Oblivion has mention of racial tensions within the empire, such as in the city of Leyawiin, not mentioning the entire lore behind Ayleids.

>>734022426
Oh we are already at the stage of you pretending not to understand, you really don't know people can instantly tell the pic is off? Sure it's fanart, people can draw whatever they want but that shit is completely off tone wise. It's why so much "modern" dialogue immediately falls flat as well

>>734014447
that's rad as fuck

>>734022619
...A folktale hero that literally only a single tribe of a fringe subculture gives a fuck about by the time the game's events take place, partially because driving out all foreigners isn't something most Dunmer think is even possible anymore

>>734022167
Sexy femme fatale dark elves are a great trope and they should bring it back.

>>734002028
>clones of yourself
masturbation but complicated

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>>734022259
Daggerfall is peak 90's "generic fantasy" and that is not an insult.

>>734022787
So you do admit that dunmer wish all the Imperial forces occupying their lands would fuck off and die, but consider this a pipedream?

>>734022937
No lol

>>734023047
Well then, guess we have to tell all these stupid dunmer idiots that Empire is well beloved in their homeland, and the fact that each of the groups that originates from Morrowind being just different flavors of nationalism has nothing to do with race whatsoever.

>>734023194
>Empire is well beloved in their homeland
They had a majority vote after all, most people (not dunmer) voted positively for the empire!

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>Dunmer await the chosen one to drive off the empire
>Jews awaited the chosen one to drive off the empire
Am I stupid for not noticing this decades ago

This is some pretty obvious bait.

>>734022627
>completely off tone wise
How exactly nigger? It clearly depicts some public entertainment event in a Hlaalu town hosted by a (slave-owning) foreigner, the fuck are they supposed to be doing according to you, having somebody call an Argonian an ebin farming tool in the background just to make it clear that they are indeed still le racist?

Anyway, the main reason some are baffled over your comment is the fact that specific picture has been regularly posted in Morrowind for literal fucking years at this point and, yet, somehow only now do we get retards claiming it's some some "nu-DnD" thing. Guess all those morrowboomers were wokies all along until the trve zoomers morrowfags finally arrived to save us from that woke off-tone abomination's vile clutches

>>734023710
>regularly posted in Morrowind
*regularly posted in Morrowind *threads*

>>734023710
You do realize his goal is to dredge up politics as a form of shitposting to ruin the thread, and you shouldn't feed him, right?

>>734023710
>How exactly nigger?
Pretending not to understand I see, also i'm a different anon and why the fuck are you lying.

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>>734009863
BIG
GREEN
TITTIES

>>734023897
Looking forward to Orsinium and all the orc tits you could need in 10 years.

>>734021076
eh, it's quite inconsequential unless for some incomprehensible reason you're genuinely invested in the noble status of a background character who's important for entirely unrelated reasons, i struggle to see now anyone could feel anything but apathy for it

Are there any one handed warhammers in Morrowind (vanilla+DLC)? I kinda want to play a hammer and shield character after reading a fantasy novel about a hammer and shield wielding hero.

>>734008860
What kind of retardation is that? The original story is already that Nerevar was just a caravan guard who killed his boss over blasphemy or some shit then took over the caravan.

>>734024942
The skull crusher, used that baby for most of my playthroughs

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>>734024942
I don't think so
I've always hated the fact that all spears are two-handed as well i wish i could properly make a character with this feel

>>734012747
>MK post-Oblivion
who cares

>>734010278
I thought it was commonly accepted that the Sermons are basically a secret note to Nerevar/the Nerevarine and not a description of actual events?

>>734008860
>>734024989
>entire point of Morrowind is about how Mantling means you become the thing
>find Morrowind fanfic
>look inside
>it's mantling all the way down
I do find the idea that Neverar is actually some weird gestalt of dozens and dozens of random champions that keep mantling the name very amusing but I don't care for it as a one-off pregame twist.

>>734024989
I think it's trying to reconcile that story with Nerevar being from house Mora (as claimed by Douglas Goodall), a wealthy and powerful family

>>734022167
>he didn't read The Real Barenziah

>>734026941
I think the takeaway from The Real Barenziah in the modern lore is just that Barenziah herself was a big slut and not the race as a whole.

>>734022787
This isn't correct and you know it.

>>734026941
The Real Barenziah is a Daggerfall book

>>734025862
No, they are a secret admission to the crime of the Tribunal killing Nerevar so that they could use the tools on the heart, become God's, and keep Morrowind.

>>734026941
>Taking Real Barenziah at face value and not pondering author bias
Next you're gonna tell me you believe everything Notes on Racial Phylogeny says

>>734027178
And who is the admission to?

>>734027221
but I met the author in Mournhold and he seems like a nice guy

>>734027221
It was written by a dunmer, the other version of her story was written by an imperial. I'm going to say that of the two, the former is more likely. Furthermore, that isn't the only place that mentions dunmeri women in general being horndogs.

>>734027002
you're gonna pretend you don't remember the part in the real barenziah where all the old dunmer maids are rolling their eyes at her and treating her wanton slut arc as the most commonplace basic bitch shit all young dunmer women do?

>>734027178
Vivec directly adresses any potential Nerevarine in them and offers advice on defeating Dagoth
>The ruling king will remove me, his maker. This is the way of all children. His greatest enemy is the Sharmat, who is the false dreamer. You or he is the shingle, Hortator. Beware the wrong walking path. Beware the crime of benevolence. Behold him by his words.
>You alone, though you come again and again, can unmake him. Whether I allow it is within my wisdom.
>The ruling king is to stand against me and then before me. He is to learn from my punishment. I will mark him to know. He is to come as male or female. I am the form he must acquire.

>>734027619
There's literally an entire game set in Morrowind and Dunmer at no point act particularly horny to the point the only whorehouse in the game is staffed entirely by non-dunmer women

>>734027384
You'd be forgiven if it seemed to be targeted at you or any other Nerevarine, but it could just as easily be for whoever. It's just a burden displacement. What would it do but rewrite all of history?

>>734025174
Oh, awesome. Damn time to actually install tamriel rebuilt and start a new playthrough. I can work that into an RP pretty easily.

>>734027619
You have fallen for ingame racism, when anyone speaks about the innate nature of beings you should have an inner YR calling to question every claim made
>I don't know where to begin pointing out the lies

>>734027807
>>734027678

>>734027705
Lots of in-universe details are omitted from the games themselves.

>>734027914
So a dunmer describing dunmer women is racist?

>>734003378
>your entire race gets wiped from existence for fighting for the wrong side
>have a dream of restoring your people and planet
>get an offer for a bazillion credits to clone yourself, collapse the republic that killed your people and enough money to start your dreams
>realize you're getting older so you clone yourself and teach him the ways of your people
>he fucking succeeds (in legends anyway) and carries on your legacy after you die
wow so that's so much weirder you fucking nitwit

Kirkbride's attempts at "integrating" older lore with the new one were a fucking mistake because now the average TES fan just can't fucking accept that sometimes things just aren't canon anymore and that there isn't some in-universe development to explain every retcon

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>>734028001
Yes

>>734028172
Anon, we know it's you.

>>734005924
>Reincarnation is common in TES
Name three besides Nerevar. Even that's arguable. Incarnation =/= reincarnation. Incarnation of a God as an avatar doesn't count.

>>734028172
Kirkbride is fun, just like TES lore

I really wanted to see the NASA space program in Oblivion, because the books said the Empire had a space program in the Imperial City where they sent plucky young adventurers into the stars

imagine my disappointment when Oblivion actually didn't get a NASA space program in the game, like ever, like in all the entire game (and i've searched), there is not one NASA space program in the game, even like two order removed

It's like they forgot

>>734006606
Padomay isn't the same as the Sithis the DB worships.
>“…appropriately, Padomay is just as ineffable an entity as Anu. This is how the Psijiic Order treats him, at least. His original (Aldmeris? Ehlnofex?) name is PSJJJJ, which is and was meant to be unpronounceable. The Order was founded and organized to divine Padomay’s eternal and ever-changing mystery. “Sithis” is a corruption of “Psijii” which, in turn, was a derivation of the high concept PSJJJJ. Sithis was born when a nihilist sect of the already doom-ridden Chimeri merged (under Mephala’s tutelage) Daedric elements with the Inexpressible Action that was Padomay. In essence they began to revere Padomay’s Chaos nature (as opposed to that of Anu, who is Order), and over the years degenerated into a thuggish mystery-cult which wanted to “murder the world.” The Dark Brotherhood was born in these times– which, in Morrowind, is known as the Morag Tong.

>>734028512
The fun part is that Goodall made a mod to let you bump into a Mananaut at least. It's pretty likely PC will include a Mothship outright at some point.

>>734009863
>You will never have a cute Kahjit slave wife
;_;

>>734028648
What's stopping you?

>>734028537
>he Dark Brotherhood was born in these times– which, in Morrowind, is known as the Morag Tong
They're rivals and hate each other in Morrowind, though?

>>734028647
Well, the eternal disappointment of the lore being far more awesome than the game we got.

Skyrim was supposed to have a decent number of people able to Shout - the Companions, for instance, the current ruler. It was rare but not that rare. Skyrim just made you the sole people able to shout, witht the monks. The Companions were supposed to be able to do it tho.

Skyrim was supposed to have a Bard College which was huge, possibly the most important, and the biggest on the continent. I think there is a bard college questline in a city as a joke, once?

The Dwemer museum was supposed to be far more imposing and impossibly awesome. Skyrim just said nah fuck off.

Just the lore not living up to its expectation, and Bethesda not giving much of a fuck. I'm still salty about my Oblivion Nasa space program thou

>>734028762
>And here we see the first sign of the Unnamed Ones, known as Morag “The Dark Brotherhood” Tong!
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/redguard-forum-madness
DB/Morag Tong lore is a complete clusterfuck. Even before Oblivion they flip-flopped between being Mephala cultists and Sithis worshippers each game, and then Idiot Pagliarulo decided he wanted to turn them into an 'evil' Catholic church which muddied the waters even more. There are multiple origin stories for the DB, one book claims it's an offshoot of the Thieves' Guild, another claims it's from a sect of the Morag Tong located in Bravil, another claims they broke off with the Morag Tong over the worship of Vivec (even though we see in Morrowind they don't worship Vivec, and the DB doesn't worship Mephala).
There's no neat answer for it, it's just a mess and their depiction depends on who's writing.

>>734029069
I wonder how SHOTN is going to implement Shouts, if at all. Same with Hammerfell and swordsinging.

>>734029119
I also forgot Sermon 22 which suggest Vivec is the Night Mother.

>>734029218
All Sermon were written by Vivec. There are some truths in them, but if you read them at face value, Vivec is all the daedras and aedras that has ever existed.

>>734016436
Because it is. It's literally the same as those gay flamboyant kumbaya artworks you see for DnD, but in Morrowind.

>replying to himself 4 hours later

>>734002336
That fat clown was a glorified curio in the world's greatest cabinet of curiosities.

>>734030791
I don't remember him being in the Mournhold museum

>>734002028
You made this same thread on /tg/. Sorry it's such a shithole now
.

>>734030883
He couldn’t fit through the door

>>734029119
>and the DB doesn't worship Mephala
Isn't it implied somewhere that the Night Mother is Mephala as well (in Daggerfall maybe)? It's so confusing.

>>734029119
isn't the morag tong a dunmer social institution made to limit house warfare to just assassinations why would they be in bravil

>>734032621
Perhaps there were Dunmer in Bravil.

>>734030992
It’s true.

>>734012494
There are mods for that, which work with openMW Even

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>>734031910
It's incredibly confusing. In Arena they're a Sithis cult
>"The Dark Brotherhood are loyal followers of Sithis, God of Death. They are sworn to uphold the tenements of Chaos"
In Daggerfall the DB is a full-on Mephala cult
>"Mephala is the Daedra Regent of Murder and Patroness of the Dark Brotherhood."
In Redguard the Morag Tong worships Sithis
>Like all members of the Morag Tong, Dram worships Sithis, the God of Death; indeed, he is a thrice-born initiate who continues his faith even after his exile.
But in Morrowind the Morag Tong is a Mephala cult, and the Dark Brotherhood is associated with Dagon worship. The DB also happens to have a Night Mother, and the Morag Tong doesn't even though historically the Tong had them as well (see Sermon 22 and 2920)
>"The Dark Brotherhood is an ancient secret association of assassins. They do not advertise their services or their creed, but they are an outlawed secret society with an evil reputation, and are often associated with Daedra worship"
In Oblivion we see the Dark Brotherhood are Sithis worshippers who might also worship Mephala in the form of the Night Mother, and that's what they stick with in Skyrim too.

>>734034817
i used Repopulated MW & Mainland but still

>>734035009
And then ESO fucks it up even more by depicting the Morag Tong and Dark Brotherhood exactly as we see them in Oblivion and Skyrim, so it can't be explained by a cultural shift or something.

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I miss when UESP wasn't riddled with the AIDS that is ESO """lore""". Every new expansion for that piece of shit ruins some other character's page.

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>>734032621
>When the Morag Tong assassinated the Emperor Reman in the year 2920 of the first era, and his successor, Potentate Versidae-Shae [sic] in the 324th year of the second era, the assassins so long in the shadows were suddenly thrust into the light. They had become brazen, drunk with murder, literally painting the words 'MORAG TONG' on the wall in the Potentate's blood.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fire_and_Darkness
>All leaders of the Morag Tong, and then afterward the Dark Brotherhood, have been called the Night Mother. Whether the same woman (if it is even a woman) has commanded the Dark Brotherhood since the Second Era is unknown. What is believed is that the original Night Mother developed an important doctrine of the Morag Tong-the belief that, while Mephala does grow stronger with every murder committed in her name, certain murders were better than others. Murders that came from hate pleased Mephala more than murders committed because of greed. Murders of great men and women pleased Mephala more than murders of relative unknowns.
>We can approximate the time this belief was adopted with the first known murder committed by the Morag Tong. In the year 324 of the Second Era, the Potentate Versidue-Shaie was murdered in his palace in what is today the Elsweyr kingdom of Senchal. In a brash move, the Night Mother announced the identity of the murderers by painting "MORAG TONG" on the walls in the Potentate's own blood.
>Previous to that, the Morag Tong existed in relative peace, more or less like a witches' coven-occasionally persecuted but usually ignored. In remarkable synchronicity at a time when Tamriel the Arena was a fractured land, the Morag Tong was outlawed throughout the continent. Every sovereign gave the cult's elimination his highest priority. Nothing more was officially heard of them for a hundred years.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Brothers_of_Darkness

>>734035450
It seems ridiculous to me they didn't do the wookiepedia thing and isolate ESO and pre-ESO lore. It makes shit unreadable. Even if you're charitable to ESO material a lot of pages end up almost illegible because there's this constant back and forth of "x was this way, but actually in 2e it was this, but later it was revealed, but by the 3rd era it was..." because of how much it conflicts with stuff, then it'll have an aside about the fireshadow battle wombats y figure was always known to keep because of ESO's cash-shop spam attached to everything.

>>734022627
The only thing I'd consider "off" are how bright it is, but it's not like Vvardenfell never has blue skies. It's just kind of a gray game because of the fog and certain areas like the ashlands. But head down to Vivec or over to the grasslands and it's not that dim. Suran is somewhere in between, being pretty close to Vivec, but also on the border of Molag Amur.
Morrowind as a game is pretty quiet and muted in a lot of ways (visually, actual sound, combat, etc.) but I don't see why people need to make that a restraint for their artwork. Outside of religious centers, Vvardenfell was not particularly segregated. There's a few Dunmer-specific institutions like the Temple, but even the Morag Tong had a variety of other races within its ranks, including an Argonian. One of the biggest themes in Morrowind is that Dunmer culture is paradoxical and strange, in no small part due to the nature of the armistice.

>>734003378
Absolutely not
Jango Fett sought immortality through legacy and fatherhood, which is the underlying purpose of reproduction.
The other sought, as far as i know, sex, which is the equivalent of a child which requires each and every last one of their meals to be sweetened, when compared to above.

>>734020228
If i had to do clones of myself that i have to have around all days i would do only females too. Why should i fill my house with other man? I am not gay.

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>>734014447
>Telvanni concept art is rad
The only thing I don't get is the Telvanni dust adepts. I wish that TR did something with that but the Telvanni lands on both the island and mainland don't have areas that would use that stuff like a desert or badlands

>>734038132
Their concept for the remake of the Telvanni Lands around when they're doing Dres includes a desert area.

>>734038132
Part of the plan for the eventual TR Telvanni remake is to turn the northern Telvanni peninsula into a desert inhabited by Dust Adepts

>>734009863
soul

>>734009863
Why are they getting along? All of those species would not intermingle like that. Humans dont do it in irl, and we arent elves, lizards, cats, and orcs.
These groups would form little enclaves in the city and would be hostile to any outsiders. The dark elves in Windhoek for example, you would not be able to walk around out there, especially not after dark

>>734002028
IN THIS HOUSE DIVAYATH FYR IS A FUCKING LEGEND

>>734039804
Have you ever been to Suran?

>>734021401
The only reason any of that is possible is because those games take place during prosperity and backed by a strong empire.

In reality, and in fiction, that would not happen. Ever

>>734003448
BRIGHT EYES

i no nord papi i colovian
it no the same papi

>>734040803
Colovians are actually civilized

>>734039804
have you ever played morrowind

>>734025228
there are 1 handed spear mods, they're a little jank though

>>734038132
Like the other guy said, they're currently planned to be in the remake of the Telvanni lands in a couple years. From what i understood of their planning doc, the Dust Adepts are the apprentices/servants of the Dust Masters, together they form an even crazier and more xenophobic House Telvanni subculture that lives in a desert plagued with toxic magic dust that makes them magically powerful & somewhat prophetic but also really insane, with the Dust Adepts wearing masks like those to protect themselves from the dust while the Masters can breathe it just fine. Their capital is also in a big mountain that acts as a hive for a subspecies of tiny colonial cliff racers.

>>734042120
"a couple years"
lmao I fucking wish, we gotta wait for a decade at least rip

I would be completely in favor of them remaking this game with the story and lore completely intact but I guess expanding upon the gameplay and landmass you can explore. Of course though this is modern bethesda so its for the best it never gets a remake. But Morrowind was their most soulful and important game that originally put them on the map that also is definitely going to be seen as dated by todays standards. I can still enjoy it, but I can't lie and say I'd recommend it to anybody who didn't grow up with gaming from that time period. Characters stand around doing fuck all. Its going to seem like quite a dead world. Advances in AI and characters having schedules made Oblivion and Skyrim feel so much more lively.

>>734042747
If they continue at the current pace it's not that far off, final Hlaalu late this year or next year, Redoran 1 a year or two after that, Redoran 2 two years after that, then we'll see if they're doing Mournhold or Dres 1 first and Telvanni Remake 1 should be around here.

>>734035574
>learn about Imga from Project Cyrodiil
>go to UESP to read about them
>"during the [date when ESO takes place] they hid up in the trees for 100 years noone knows why they did this
>learn that Valenwood has a city that moves
>wtf that's cools as shit
>check UESP
>lots of cool info
>"during the [date when ESO takes place] the city just stopped moving for 100 years noone knows why
its so dumb

>>734043451
Speaking of Valenwood, ESO added some kind of amazon huntress queen who is way better and cooler than the Silvenar but also his wife (despite the Silvenar supposedly changing sex) that I thought came across as really fucking stupid.

>>734043568
ESO's Bosmer lore is basically a bunch of people trying their damn hardest to write generic fantasy wood elves in TES while just treating everything that makes the Bosmer unique as obstacles on their way towards that one goal

>>734043756
It's damn sad. I was pretty disappointed when I heard PT adopted that ooze lore from ESO for their Bosmer, but I guess they felt that was kinda weird so worth implementing.

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>>734038132

>>734045385
Why do they wear so much clothes?

>>734046039
it's ceremonial

>>734046039
1) Telvanni lands are in the far northeast of Morrowind, at roughly the same latitude as northern Skyrim. It's pretty cold there.
2) Drip

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reminder that the best idea for public transportation dungmer could come up with was carving out the bodies of these majestic creatures and shoving sticks into their brains, despite already having teleportation magic, boats and guars
the wail they make is actually cry for help and the true purpose of the nerevarine is to behead every caravaner and set them free

>>734041667
>t. Gaius Cassianus Marius Varius
it no the same papi they wear the stupid fur hat we wear the cool fur helm…. very big difference papi…. they like to fight people but like savages… in colovia we are like to fight but for honor only, it no the same. nord blood? me? nunca papi. 100% reman blood never conquered

>>734046723
why walk when you can ride?

>>734043372
I can only hope, I've been holding off of my big ol telvanni mod I want to make because I'm lazy waiting for the telvanni area overhaul.
Plus I need to learn basic lua and have no clue where to start.

>>734048981
brutal dungmer post

Altmer are the best race.

>>734050483
honestly true

>>734027678
>any potential Nerevarine
There is no such this as a potential Nerevarine. You either can or cannot put on the ring. It's soulbound so only a reincarnated soul of Nerevar could put it on.

>>734052032
Did you not pay attention while you were in the Cavern of the Incarnate or something?

>>734052032
lol, lmao.

>>734002028
Why does this guy just walk around in full daedric gear all day? Who is he expecting to fight living in a tower in the middle of nowhere?

>>734028436
You mean besides the fact the entire Argonian life cycle is reincarnation? Khaji also get reincarnated by Azura in their own religion. And the most famous reincarnate in TES is Pelinal. Returned to life under new identities at least three times in lore.

>>734052195
It's to flex on lesser plebians as daedric armor is extremely rare

>>734052090
Did you expect r/v to actually play games?

>>734052195
Do you want to meet an ancient wizard walking around in pajamas?

>>734052090
You mean did I see all the retards that thought they can put the ring on? Yeah I did. Only the player character put it on and lived. There was no multiple nerevarines. The nerevarine has to be able to put on the ring that's literally the first step to become one.

>>734052090
Being part of the Apollo program doesn't make you Niel Armstrong.

>>734052306
>>734052351
So that is a yes, you didn't actually pay attention while you were there so you believe the completely straightforward explanation that the entire area is designed to disprove. You also never absorbed any of the lore on Mantling.

>>734052406
>mantling
lol

>>734009863
Roleplay as a Breton healer sent by Imperial cult to contain unknown STD outbreak in Suran.

>>734052406
There is not a single reference to Mantling and Nerevar/Nerevarine in TES. There are references to the ALMSIVI attempting it but not the Nerevarine. That's all out of game fanon. You can even open UESP and show me a single quote or reference that links the Nerevarine to mantling. You can't. Even the biggest TES loreschizos can do it.

Were dark elves and Morrowind always supposed to have a bunch of weird and esoteric lore compared to the other provinces or was that just the writers of Morrowind that did that

>>734052491
>What do you mean this area has tons of dialogue implying that anyone could be Nerevarine and Azura has been throwing bodies at it?
>What do you mean it's shown that performing the prophecy is what matters more than birth status, and all the previous failed because they messed up one of the steps?
>What do you mean Mantling involves walking like them until they walk like you, aka performing their role and behavior until you're indistinguishable?
>The game never EXPLICITLY tells me in three or less lines of dialogue that it's Mantling to become Nerevarine, so it can't be!
Legit low IQ as hell.

>>734052541
That was the writers at Bethesda in general after Daggerfall, starting with Battlespire but crystalizing with Redguard in particular.

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>>734043167
eh, what morrowind lacks in NPC scripting I feel it more than makes up for in NPC dialogue (assuming literacy) and scale in general.
just compare absolute bit characters like Eldafire and Hul to the likes of Nazeem or that guy who says he works at Belethor's pawn shop literally every single time you pass by him and it's fucking night and day.

>>734052583
>>What do you mean it's shown that performing the prophecy is what matters more than birth status, and all the previous failed because they messed up one of the steps?
minor correction: being born under a certain sign to uncertain parents is literally the first action one must take on the path to being the Nerevarine so birth status does matter at least a bit.

>>734009863
Fuck. I like Redguards now.

>>734005657
what?

>>734002028
>just call them variations of Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Gamma so you don't have to memorize unique names
that's too much, that's like four unique names, while you can describe four states with just two: 01 10 11 00 (rei, asuka, doublerei, double'suka)

>>734053208
they are the best. i pondered the description of each race, selected redguard... imagine my surprise when i got a blackie
didn't change it tho, i finished the game with ma nigga, even joined the turtle-shell faction in a sandstorm
those were the days

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>>734053208
Good stats and interesting lore, but some people are just too /pol/chudded to appreciate it

>>734052541
both

I really want ship sailing and piracy in TES VI. I want to hunt for treasure and scavenge island ruins that hold reality shaping artifacts from the dragonbreak

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>>734055426
Padomaic Isles + Storm Rider would be the ideal combo

>>734052032
>You alone, though you come again and again

>>734055426
>mfw emperor asks you to fish up the fucking Numidium

>>734053208
>now
Redguards are the only based fantasy black people. What took you so long?

ahaha dead thread dead game
poison song never

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>>734052195
It looks like nowhere to you?

>>734052541
Both of the other guys you replied to are right. The lore for basically everyone at the time via Pocket Guide had all the races up to some unique or weird shit (don't forget the flying Nordic space whales or what Nibenayans were originally like), with the Dunmer/Morrowind specifically they actively wanted to make them strange even compared to that, both aesthetically and in terms of their cosmogony. Turns out Kirkbride being an occultist schizo who loaded in a bunch of Crowleyan and Hindu shit fit that perfectly.

>>734063590
>you replied to
*who replied to you lol, mb. posting half asleep

>>734063590
sky whales are from the PGE 2, which was an out of game Kirkbride thing made with the specific intent of being as weird as possible, not accurately portraying the races

that being said the actual PGE nords were still significantly more out there than the TES V ones

>>734043568
i guess they wanted to rip-off orion and arielle from warhammer fantasy but with the roles reversed because redditor writers

>>734024336
>>734026070
>duuude, what if we subverted this thing for the sake of subversion?
Might as well make it so that the real Tiber Septim was stabbed during a mugging by a skooma addicted hobo, and that hobo decided to assume his identity.
It doesn't change a thing about Tiber Septim's story whatsoever, right?

>>734065052
That would be pretty in line with "Tiber Septim"

>>734065052
I mean, Tiber Septim's story already revolves around the fact he was really a scrawny breton cunt who backstabbed betrayed and lied his way into godhood, with the orthodox story of his ascension being just propaganda
>b-b-but muh skyrim says he was le badass viking warrior jesus who could eat dragon souls!!!!!
Morrowind thread

>>734026919
Would be better and more in keeping with the base game if they left stuff like this vague and open to interpretation. Conflicting accounts =/= you have to 'fix it' by making a narrative where both are true but I guess that's autismo brain at work.

>>734065052
the very first game that featured tiber's modern backstory (redguard) went out of its way to tell you it's bullshit propaganda

>>734065158
>>734065205
Okay, so that's canon then, the first Septim and one of the Nine Divines was actually a drug addicted hobo, and that wasn't even his real name.
Let's keep going. Yagrum Bagarn? The last living dwemer? He's not actually a dwemer, he's just a dunmer that got a hold of the dwemer engineering and history books, and he's masquerading as one for special treatment.
Another great improvement that TES required, don't you agree?

>>734002147
I won't consider anyone who drop kicked Shor "nice", yes this indeed happened. Ask Wulfharth

>>734065454
>the first Septim and one of the Nine Divines was actually a drug addicted hobo, and that wasn't even his real name.
No, but the official games themselves do indeed go out of their way to leave open the possibility that he was really Breton from the isle of Alcaire who couldn't shout, preferred court intrigue to battle, was more than ready to give up on ever conquering Morrowind and the Aldmeri Dominion until he learned about the Numidium's existence, and whose success and ascencion to godhood was a result of him manipulating and betraying Zurin Arctus and Wulfharth. And yes, it is indeed a great piece of lore that gives both the setting and the character some much needed depth.

But let me guess, you'd rather have him be perfect human Dragonborn Jesus, right?

>>734065721
No, I'd rather have him be a homeless drug addict that committed identity theft, because that's what what would improve the boring story from the games, so just what PTR developers are doing.

>>734065454
>and that wasn't even his real name.
i mean yeah? even in skyrim where they do actually wank the shit out of him his real name is hjalti early-beard

>>734065721
I fail to see anything wrong with dragonborn Jesus, to be honest. It's, you know, fantasy.

>>734065385
It's pretty obscure in the mod, I think this is the only thing that mentions it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel_Data:Three_Deaths_of_House_Mora
I don't know if the epilogue to the main quests also brings it up as I haven't done it yet.

>>734065916
Well, then good news for ya, the TES developers at Bethesda already had him be a marauding breton conman who fabricated his whole identity nearly 30 years ago :)

>>734065994
He can both be Jesus and a massive prick who was objectively a bad person, which is exactly what The Arcturian Heresy did.

>>734066097
Why are you ignoring the homeless crack addict part? Wasn't present in the original game?
That's exactly why it needs to be written into lore, this boring breton story you're telling me is awfully boring and reeks of generic "zero-to-hero" tropes, we need to add more subversion into it to make it actually good.

>>734066263
Why are you raving about homeless crack addicts, exactly? PTR's Nerevar wasn't a homeless crack addict either, he was a humble but righteous guard who killed a greedy and unpleasant nobleman and led his people better than said nobleman ever could. Can't get more zero-to-hero than that

>>734035009
My takeaway from all this is that all of these guys just kinda like killing and both groups dress up their killing as worship as a way to justify it, but ultimately, neither of them are actually devout enough to even keep their stories straight about which god they serve

>>734020228
>the women are all the evil parts
mega based

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>It's another "argument" where one side doesn't even understand the point the other is trying to make

>>734065994
Oh look, it's the high fantasy retard again

>>734066376
Weird, I am trying to find the official sources that could confirm this version of events, and all I could find was that Nerevar may have worked as caravan guard.
Good thing that PTR decided to improve the backstory of this character who is very important to the lore, the official version was shitty and needed improvement.

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>>734002147
yes, but is he enough of a wizard to TURN them into furniture?

>>734052583
Just wanna say watching you dab on lorelets is super entertaining, keep it up.

>>734066231
I guess. He can also be a vegan and have three nipples, too. Still fail to see why it would matter.

House Telvanni are literally jews
>Tel Aruhn
>Tel Branora
>Tel Fyr
>Tel Mora
>Tel Uvirith
>Tel Vos
>Tel Aviv????

>>734066779
You really don't need to go high fantasy to have a famous conqueror be a generic commander who was active and motivated and did all the right things while not doing all the wrong things and having prevailed that way. Just like the absolute majority of famous conquerors we have IRL.

>>734066376
Dude, you realize you're arguing with morrowind fans?
My brother in AlmSiVi, all of our lore is lies that are simultaneously true and false and we enjoy them all for what they are, even the ones that contradict each other. We get you're mad that there's a potentially true potentially false lietruth in Nerevar's backstory but we're not because that's just another one on the pile that we can choose to believe or disregard whenever we feel like it.

>>734067338
what

>>734024283
And per their culture you can have a harem

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>>734067182
It's just as >>734067338 anon said
Everything's made up and therefore true sometimes always

>>734067507 (me)
I definitely wanted to @ >>734067182 anon and not >>734066376

>>734067490
Back in Morrowind times it was actually said that orcish society is even more gender egalitarian than other tamrielic societies so i kinda doubt PTR Orcs are gonna have that element

>>734067038
The entire Dunmer race are Jews, bro.

>>734029148
https://www.project-tamriel.com/viewtopic.php?t=208
doesnt look like theyre planning on including it as something the player can do. i imagine if its added, itll be custom spells that only certain npcs can have access to.

Seen any elves?

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>>734055969
The dream is having this and Pyanodea.

>>734069347
>Look up Pyanodea on UESP
>90% of it is ESO shit
Ugh........

>>734069607
You can say this about almost any TES topic now. To summarize the real stuff we know about it, there's an area that's a big misty marshy mangrove, it's inhabited with Maormer/sea elves, they're a bunch of pirates, they worship serpents, their ships are pulled by sea serpents, and they fucking hate Altmer.

>>734003448
BARRY

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>>734066884
sadly only the ayleids were ever that based

>>734065454
The funniest part of Skyrimbabs to me is that they seem to have actual legit hero-worship for fucking Tiber Septim.

>>734069812
Why do they hate Altmer?

>>734067796
Pretty lame if you're a Nord to be a stinky runt.

>>734021076
>>734024336
This is actually retarded, there is a metaphysical reason why Nerevar is Indoril.

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>>734070143
Because they keep trying to invade Summerset but the Altmer chads keep beating them back

>>734070143
There's no concrete info, but the presented in-universe theory is that they got exiled from Summerset early in history.

>>734055426
same except in PT

>>734067439
It's pretty clear he meant to reply to the other guy freaking out about Nerevar and Tiber Septim's official histories possibly being propaganda like this kind of shit isn't a staple of the lore.

>>734070278
Pretty sure even in canon Almalexia is the one born into House Indoril, Nerevar only took her house name after marrying her

>>734070450
O shit you're absolutely right.
How did I fuck that up?

>>734071342
evidently

>>734073330
why so many spider webs?

>>734070143
Sea elves are the real Altmer. It's like China/Taiwan.

>>734074648
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>734070272
it would be nice if they would run with the idea of musical magic mentioned in the thread and add a second magic system based on shouts, sword singing, tonal architecture and speechcraft. maybe present it to the player as less systematized, more difficult to learn and folksy but a useful toolbox for nonmagical characters.
>shouts as more limited use destruction, based on social skills
>swordsinging giving temporary skill in swords and a bound sword, again based on social skills
>functional dwemer artifacts (and clones thereof) that act like enchanted items but don't need soul gems, last longer and need repair like weapons/armor, more powerful effects requiring a master armorer trainer

>>734075358
There's also the Stalthrim singing mentioned in Solstheim, though that's harder to make functional for regular gameplay.

>>734075358
Best left to other modders. Significantly overhauling the magic system is way out of scope.

>>734075580
The issue with pushing every important lore element out of the mod for being 'out of scope' is that it cripples what TR/PT itself can actually do with worldbuilding, NPCs, and quests. SHOTN should by all accounts feature NPCs with the Voice and quests related to this vital element of Nord culture, but if you push the concept out of the mod and 'left it to other modders' suddenly you can't actually feature it in SHOTN at all, and thus you've departed from Morrowind-era lore Skyrim and deprived yourself of interesting setting elements.

>>734075732
Morrowind-era Skyrim lore already had the voice be an incredibly rare thing largely monopolized by the greybeards (Tiber Septim's college of the voice was called out as a bunch of charlatans in the one time it waa first mentioned) so if they feel the need to have it physically show up at all they could just have it be some scripted quest-specific thing

>>734075931
You do realize that High Hrothgar is gonna be a visitable place in the mod, right? You're going to be able to go up and punch a Greybeard in the face.

>>734065454
Uh ohhh melty

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>>734073850
Mephalan Vales, spider central.
>Up in the north Tel Tarulin has been grown over an ancient indoril ruin in a provoking act of expansonism by Mistress Navari. Her tower spews great amounts of mad cane spores, infecting the cattle of surrounding indoril settlements as well as their inhabitants, making them dependant on the telvanni alchemists supplying them with a cure in exchange for a regular tribute.
>Getting close without a facemask protecting the airways is not possible without risking severe mad cane infection or even death

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>>734046039
Telvanni are the type of people to buy the dumbest Balenciaga shit and go around homeless shelters flexing with it, calling everyone looser.

>>734002028
Imagine if you could make an exact genetic clone of yourself, but the opposite sex. You could take inbreeding to the next level.

>>734013232
Which has not a single dunmer dancer.
>>734026941
You haven't either. That book outright rejects that idea as some stupid stereotype that humans have. Symmachus states that it's dumb shit in the same book.
The idea that young dunmer women are especially promiscuous is never mentioned anywhere else.

>>734070143
Elves in general hate each other. They do not have a unified brotherhood, they will despise each other for whatever reason, be it one being too rigid or the other too degenerate.

>>734016964
depends, if you have an intel graphics card, there is no good way.
for everyone else, OpenMorrowind is the way to go.

>>734078926
The confusion comes from the fact that the Altmer are very, very interested in presenting the fiction that Mer ARE a unified brotherhood derived from themselves with them on top. Just ignore that the Dunmer despise them, the Bosmer were treated better by the Imperials, they enslaved the Orsimer, they refused to help the Falmer against the Nords, they exiled the Maormer, and they refuse to acknowledge Khajiit are Mer until it's time to manipulate them. The only elves they didn't specifically mistreat are the Ayleids.

>>734080259
ayylmaos were altmer themselves, jaundice and all

>>734080259
>The only elves they didn't specifically mistreat are the Ayleids.
Also the Dwemer but that's probably because they were on the other side of the continent

>>734016964
I played completely vanilla a few years ago and still enjoyed it.

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>>734082863
i like the version with the bird stand

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>>734082945
I hadn't seen this one, neat

>>734082945
Probably a Sunbird, though I thought those were spaceships.

https://youtu.be/e-O7qEIHpNw

>>734021401
a globalist empire trying to force cosmopolitanism and tolerance exacerbates xenophobia and being a minority in your own ancestral land even more so

>>734021401
Nigga don't know bout the thong

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>>734083062
Maybe, though I do wonder if it's not a symbol of connection to Auri-el and if the PTR team is gonna keep the fanon connection between birds and Auri-el. There's the interesting line from Mannimarco from Where Were You When the Dragon Broke
>So could the High King of Alinor, who was the one who broke it in the first place.
Plus the royal line of Alinor can trace their ancestry directly to Auri-el in PTR lore. Which I feel is also implied but not confirmed in canon, what with most Altmer claiming descent form Auri-el but also at one point adopting the ancestors of their betters and who wouldn't be the best ancestor for the highest house other than Auri-el plus that whole thing of the Ayleids swearing nominal fealty to the king of Alinor indicating he's a big deal in merish society and not just a regular king.

>>734083845
i know a thing or two about the thong alright

>>734084557
All mortals are Ehlnofey, weak et'ada who lost their immortality making Mundus. Cursed to continue via childmaking instead. Altmer are just the only ones who (claim to) be able to trace their genetic line all the way back to these originals. All being descended from Auri-El would mean differently is just that Akatosh fucked someone at some point, which isn't a big stretch.

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>>734084759
True, but what I mean is if there's someone whose claim would be the most believable it would be the royal line of Alinor