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>want to build a railway
>have to build the railway
Mind blown

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Hey anon, I've got a sweet deal for you!

>>734066945
ok, what's the catch?
they dump it into the sea and the sea current dumps it on the shores my city?

>>734067054
What the sea does to your shores is between you and the sea, sir

>try to get all the Japanese mods for SC4
>all links are dead

>PC game that came out in 2003
>Still looks that good
Fuck how did they do it?

Fuck I miss SC4

>>734069682
Soul

>>734069682
good pixel art. would look even better on crt

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>>734066929
>having to constantly babysit these mfs

I don't like city builders because they've not changed or innovated or grown since SC2K. Blank field -> lay down roads -> paint squares in green, blue or yellow -> face challenge from service buildings barfing out service vehicles, causing road traffic -> skyscrapers happen. And that's cutting out the usual pointless busywork from the 'has to be in a city builder game just because' checklist like water pipes etc.

Which is now why I go between Transport Fever 2 and OpenTTD rather than putting another hundred hours into Cities Skylines

>expand too fast
>go bankrupt
Every fucking time I play a city builder. I might be genuinely retarded.

All my issues with city builders boil down to 'this has to be in the game because it just has to be in the game because SimCity did it and it has to be a ***game*** with tech trees and unlockables and a win condition (ie a glass and steel skyscraper jungle) and you just gotta have it in okay'. So yeah

>>734070335
>Transport Fever 2
>basic rail and supply layout
>city grows
>now need to redo all your rail and supply layout

what are the most retard friendly city builders?

>>734070523
Not necessarily, although it helps. TF2 isn't perfect of course, far from it, because it also has the 'has to be a video game' disease, but nonetheless it's really satisfying to have a city grow up around your railway stations like in real life.

>>734070665
yes, the good thing is you can basically ignore expanding. the most satisfying thing are setting up a functioning rail lines anyway.
its just when the tedium sets in that I mostly abandon the game.

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>>734066825
This gives me an idea. A city builder that gives you only a small tile to achieve the most efficient city possible. As you progress, you can unlock (maybe like a deck-draw) buildings that are more space-efficient. You progress stages by satisfying certain conditions, like "Have a tram service that serves at least 3000 citicens".

>>734070623
I don't know if people consider it a city builder or production chain manager but Anno 1404 starts out very simple and can be played without opponents, deadlines or fail conditions.

>>734070962
I remember trying that and it was just fetch quests and I got sick of it

>>734070523
>>734070665
Shut up, liar. TF2 IS perfect.

>>734071008
You can turn off quests too if you just want to expand your city and production chains, but if it didn't click with you then you probably won't like it.

>>734071008
Huh? Play the endless mode and ignore all that shit. Anno 1602-1800 is peak comfy city building.

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>>734066929
Be sure Boomers ain't in charge of it.

>>734071096
>>734071068
I'll give it a shot, I got a beefy computer now too so I can handle it

>like SimCity 4
>dislike Cities Skylines
simple as

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>>734070335
>lay down roads
That's why I like W&R, you have to build the roads

>>734070958
You're describing Simcity 2013

I love modded cities skylines, nothing really competes unless I feel nostalgic and play 4

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>>734070623
I'm pretty retarded but I enjoy the Impressions Games city builders.
Caesar III/Pharaoh/Zeus Master of Olympus/Emperor Rise of the Middle Kingdom.
They're all pretty similar so I'd recommend choosing the one you like the setting of the most. (For me it's Zeus)
Avoid the Pharaoh remake.

>>734071783
>walkers
I'm too retarded to plan around these.

>>734071783
why people dab on Pharaoh remake so much? Also based Zeus enjoyer

>>734072136
IIRC the solution always just becomes "built self-contained grids where the walkers just walk the same rectangle over and over," in Caesar 3 the worker pool is global so you can have all your population centers someplace else and just place 1 worker hovel near your industry.

There are no (((true))) city builders, not even sim city

>>734072458
>city builder game
>looks inside
>traffic management game

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thoughts on Open TTD?

>>734073027
Great for it's time and what it did for the genre but I have little interest in going back to it when Transport Fever is available

>>734073027
Super fun but I just like to build giant train networks and the skill ceiling for that is really low. I should probably mess around with mods and stuff to up the complexity.

>>734073027
i genuinely dont get what there is to do in the game

>>734074594
Sums up most city builders really
>find your own fun
>keep expanding until you get bored
>repeat

Is there a city builder with missions/quests/challenges?

I'm not autistic enough to play a completely unguided sandbox for more than a few days. I like having tasks.

>>734067206
How much do you reckon it costs to own a condo there, lads?

>>734073027
Honestly after playing Locomotion, Transport Fever, and A-Train, Open TTD is just too simple.

>>734074902
Cheap around the edges, but if you wanna live closer to the center, it'll cost you.

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>>734066825
This was done using SC4 vanilla

Why do modern builders don't seem to understand than 70% of the appeal is the aesthetucs? It's insane how ugly most of the new titles are.

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>>734071110
This is Gen-X though. Despite being labeled as the 'quiet quitter' generation, the ones who pushed through are the most filthy of all. Musk and his contemporaries value human life far less than actual boomers.

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>>734075179

>>734075057
thats absolutely mental

>>734066825
is that Sim City 4? Also I love this track from it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Jby6hoFiQ

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>>734075057
>oh wow that's a nice landscape
>zoom in
>holy shit

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>>734075057
>>734075882
Transportation Map

Here's the the video of the build. Jap SC4 builders were something else. Too bad most of their custom .bat files have been lost to time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiq1jM-bB2Y

Also the link to the blog where you can download the map

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiq1jM-bB2Y

>>734076250
How many MB is that?

>Anno 1800 went on sale for $5 mid 2025
>now it won't go below $15 because Pax Romana
Fuck you Ubi

>>734076349
I hope the autistic nerds at Blue Byte get out alright when Ubisoft inevitably dies.

>>734076314
I have no idea, I just wanted to post something relevant to the thread

>epicenter starts playing

>>734077364
You cannot just come to the thread, say this and not post it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8HW5agFwUY

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>>734075179
You think they aren't going to join the fun? Think again.

>>734067206
Who lives there?

>playing city builder
>some faggot: heh, don't you know that's just an x management game?

>>734076405
they get subsidies by the german government.

>>734074889
Anno 1404 has missions/quests within maps and a ton (and I mean a ton) of achievements. You get points for beating cheevos that you can use to unlock new portraits and decorations for your towns, it's very cozy.

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>>734077714
damn, I never remember to build parking spots and let my citizens use cars instead of public transport.

>>734067206
>Not doing a Ba Sing Se reference

>>734070958
That is already done though.
>small tile
>rewards you on population
>having everyone live in high-density bughives is to be celebrated, not to be avoided
Needs to be a city simulator that focuses on quality of life and if it is heavily sprawl-based so be it

>>734077640
My favorite was ElectriCITY, personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Pg0j_k3_o

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>>734066825
>Money?
>People?
>Management?
Look pal I just wanna build cozy coastal towns
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1291340/Townscaper/

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>>734079117
Holy shit, how many years in is that?
And yea civilian car ownership really does murder traffic

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>>734079839
thats only 1979 (started in 1960 with realistic start).
its only these 2 cities and the money making industry really.
time really moves to fast in WR imo. I havent even started the real cities and industries yet, only the basics to survive and make cash.

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>>734079839
thats massive, how long did it take you for all this?

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>>734072763

I like city building games but to caught up in maximize space making grids rather then organic cities.

Maybe I need to break my autism but wish there was a way to organically build a city and make cozy rural areas and farms while also building beautiful cityscapes

>>734081051
You know cities can have different districts, right?
You can have your urban skyscraper grid generating money for you, while reserving part of the map as a seaside resort area, or farms.

>>734081483
>power needed
>water needed
>sims start complaining about lack of X coverage
>more transport options needed
etc

>>734081483
I know.

But playing old Sim city (snes) there's more of an incentive to min/max.

Then looking at real world cities they're much more organic growth in how you get things like the art district and old town downtown, for example, then planning it out. Thought to be fair that's harder to get a game to model a social concept that took decades or centuries to develop in the real world.

>>734066825
Thought I was looking at a motherboard at first

>>734081693
What?
Are you implying you don't need any of that shit if you build a boring grid?
Boxes don't need buses?

I played Cities Skylines once.
Assuming I pirate all the DLC, should I play Skylines 1 or Skylines 2?
I remember people hating on the second game for a while. Is it good now?

>>734081960
No, they never really went back and fixed all of the performance and the civilian simulation is broken, traffic still just does not work properly.

>>734081960
They're both busted games.
CS1 is far less busted; but you'll eventually have to fight the traffic beast and get frustrated when you've got a mile long queue on a highway because they're all using a singular lane.
CS2 is just utterly fucked. Cims will change lanes though at least! Not that you'll be able to enjoy that between the CTDs and painful framerate.

>>734082124
Blows my mind how much good will they established with skyline 1 by being in the right place/ right time with a good city builder and then tremendously fuck it up.

What happened?

>>734081851
no, i'm saying that if you try getting cute with mini unconnected districts then your sims get confused and angry at lack of service coverage now you need to build fire/police/school/etc infrastructure in those cute seaside or farm districts

I just want Cities Skylines without having to make one ways and roundabouts everywhere because of muh traffic
Fuck traffic

>>734082206
>Cims will change lanes though at least!
amazing that this is finally, finally, finally apparently a thing in Transport Fever 3 lmao. cars will overtake your trucks!

>>734066825
what game is this

Making a pretty city is easy. Just plop down buildings.

A real city has a story in its history. I don't know how developers can mimic that but once they do that it would be amazing.

>>734082403
An NPC predetermining their entire route massively saves on compute time, so you can see why they did it.

>>734082550
>A real city has a story in its history
Not American grid cities

>>734082364
Roundabouts are not efficient at all in skylines, even with mods, for big traffic. People overrate them which ends up in hilarious cities posted to reddit where they don't understand their traffic problem in the Milton Keynes monstrosity they have created.
tmpe and regular intersections with good hierarchy go a long way in skylines. But the best thing you can do is public transport networks. Mass transit will alleviate loads, then you have to look at industry rushes with your imports/exports and don't fret when these may create traffic as it will clear up, cargo train will help and so on

>>734082582
honestly i'm glad we're moving back from 'everything must be an agent because uhhhhhh uhhhh emergent realistic behaviors' (sims go from their dwelling to the first vacant workspace they find, then go to a vacant commercial space they find, then go to the first vacant residential space they find, repeat)

>>734082748
Did you miss where I don't care about any of that shit? Fuck traffic?

>>734082589
You don't think New York has a story in its history? Really?

>>734082274
Paradox pushed it out too early just wanting to cash in. Such has been a hallmark of Paradox in the last decade.

>>734082795
okay well I don't see how you want a city management game without managing a rather key part of a city
Maybe play theotown

>>734082783
I remember when people were praising Gothic 2 for its NPC routines and I didn't even understand it back then
What do I care if the craftsman exits his house and starts his work every day

>>734082795
build the M A G N A S A N T I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJQTc-TqpU

>>734082902
If traffic is the core feature of all city building, why did I never have to make one-way-streets in Banished or Anno 1404?

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>>734069682
SC3K is gorgeous

>>734083009
Anno is a >trade route simulator

>>734082941
It's baby steps to building "realistic" npc. Problem is that they never build on the baby step parts.

>>734066825
>remove parking spaces
>city shrinks by 70% and is now walkable

>>734082845
Just ignore him anon. It's just jeets trying to fit in by using 4chan buzz phrases without understanding what they mean.

>>734083438
Is it even possible to make a walkable public transport city in Simcity or Cities Skylines?

>>734083525
Walkable as in heavily reducing car usage in favor of public transport? Yes. You still need roads everywhere for services and commercials, but you can have them without much congestion that way.

>>734083438
We can never have a 1:1 city builder because half this board goes into conniptions when they see parking lots. Wait until you see what real warehouses and industrial facilities look like.

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>>734066825
Anyone else here enjoy banished? Its one of the best medieval out there imo

>>734083168
SC2K too

>>734084146
I liked it, for about 5 hours or so. The problem with that game is that once you stabilize, you experienced everything. Scaling up your village past that just means building everything in the exact same way in duplicate

i hate Americans and their automobiles so fuckin much

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>>734066825
A CITY BUS BROKE DOWN ON RAPE STREET AGAIN AND I WANT YOU TO FUCKING GUESS WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE PASSENGERS

>>734084227
Its rather simple yeah but I like it for being medieval and more "grounded" without fantasy bullshit like adventurers and etc

>>734084326
I bet they regretted it.

>>734084326
Another buss picked them up?

>>734084326
Rape Street (formerly MLK Boulevard)

>>734082589
Have you ever seen Barcelona?

Rape Street, home

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KNEEL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJQTc-TqpU

>>734084146
And it will remain the "best" out there, because every month a new "Banished killer" comes out that fails to kill it.

>>734084227
Have you tried to Colonial Charter mod?

Theotown, everyone? Is it playable?

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>>734080665
I was unemployed for 2 years and had nothing but time

>>734077805
The upper class

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TF 3 hopes and copes?

https://youtu.be/uhXYyctqpiE

>>734086557
Settlement Survival is a Banished clone with Colonial Charter built in.

>>734067054
The catch is that 7 simoleons per 100 tons is fucking robbery.

>>734079701
Hell yeah, I remember the three or so days we used to post this game around. I drew a bunch of little people and Gondolas on a map and people were having fun finding them all.

>>734088321
Still a Banished killer that will fail to kill Banished

>>734089324
while I don't think it wholly fits the title Farthest Frontier is a fairly good colony game.
I like the look it reminds me of settlers heritage of kings

>>734071110
>Blame your parents! Do not question the trillionaires or the neoliberal agenda!

>>734089814
I can blame both.

>>734079424
>how dare no one remember my crappy bootleg anime?

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>>734071783
I always loved the emperor rise one, felt so comfy. I saw there's a higher res patch, might give it a go again.

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timberborn 1.0 on march 12th

>>734090449
Looks too complex for me.

>>734090449
fuckin' finally. Hope it was worth the wait.

>>734086557
I didnt know that lore, I dont play many city sim but banished is one of the oldest games on my steam its very comfy, do you have any recommendations can be mediaval sci-fi or whatever any good city sim

>>734066825
I tapped out at Sim City for the SNES. These games got way too complicated to be enjoyable after that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJbm-pKuAs

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>>734086489
>still don't have a cyberpunk dystopia mega population city builder
wtf?

>>734086673
Yes but I don't get why it's shilled so much by /v/. Last I checked it's a mobile game. Unless the pc version guts all that you have a typical mobile designed game with currency to skip build times

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>the cities actually looked like that

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>>734090634
unless there was stuff they didnt put into the 1.0 test branch, there really wasnt that much added imo. I've played the test branch some 60 hours the last month, it's got some new map features, a couple quality of life things, a few new buildings. I dunno, I guess they just felt like the game was finally ready, and there wasnt anything super big left they wanted to add.

>>734090449
It's good for a single playthrough. I couldn't see myself doing anything differently a second time through, and I had effectively beaten the map long before I was using the tech in your pic

>>734069682
Actual attempt at realism

>>734091152
I haven't touched it at all, because of
>early access
so it will all be new to me. 3 years of waiting.

>>734070335
Play Songs of Syx

>>734081960
Its a bit of a curse since there are some genuinley good improvements in CS2 like road placements, but also some glaring issues with both performance and features missing. CS1 always felt like it was held together with tape but had a huge modding scene that really made it worth the effort to wade through the jank.
CS2 came out seriously undercooked, and has less of the charm of the first. if you're going for either, CS1 might feel dated at first but there are enough mods to fix the inherent broken parts to make it a reallty solid experience

>>734091259
two playthroughs, since there's two factions of beavers that play pretty differently.
but yeah, 'beating' the game isnt that difficult, and the game's difficulty curve is basically backwards. it's a challenge at the start to get the water infrastructure built, but once it is, and you've built a dam that can hold water through the longest drought and a filter drain for bad tides, there's no more real challenge and it becomes a sandbox game really. at that point you either decide to build some dumb mega project or you stop playing

>>734074594
you pick up cargo from one part of the map and deliver it to another part of the map
and if you're feeling really adventurous you can pick up the cargo that was made form the cargo you dropped off and deliver it to ANOTHER part of the map

and this is honestly10/10 gameplay with no bullshit to get in the way

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23 years later and there's still nothing to surpass it

Any sim city for adhd zoomer?

Has anyone fixed/is anyone fixing SC4 to work on multiple cores properly?

>>734092748
Couldn't you enable that through a custom config file or was that just a placebo?

>>734075057
>that empty small block full of water
Impressive but why

>>734079839
>the distance companies expect you to travel to work every day twice while on near minimum wage

>>734069682
>>734091298
SimCity 4 is a good game because they actually cared about the product and knew what they were doing. In SimCity's case they knew how a city simulation worked and how cities worked and made tweaks for their own personal preferences (mass transit is deliberately buffed to be the superior option in game--this was knowingly done and not just a quirk of the simulation). Cities Skylines they didn't, they just copied SimCity's mechanics without doing any research of their own or having any real conviction in what they made, as a result it comes off as half-hearted at best and a cynical cash grab at worst.

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What game is that?

>>734082274
Messing up SC2 was such a stupid prospect that i thought it couldn't happen. The throne of city builders is VACANT, an entire genre is still up for grabs today, god the money that could be made.
SC2 must have been some kind of anti-capitalist statement.

*Ahem* The time gap between the release of Sim City 4 and Cities: Skylines was 12 years. This year, Cities: Skylines came out 12 years ago

>>734074984
The rare Locomotion fan. I do give it to you though since the rail building is more intricate in that game. OpenTTD is still more complex with new industry mods, logistics chain wise.

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Giving Laysara a go, feels a lot like Anno so far.

Play Anno 1800, get inspired by Anno 1800, don't do an Anno game.
Don't do Cities Skylines because it's broken, don't do Workers and Resources because it's ugly as sin.
Don't do Frostpunk 2. Don't do Banished, who cares about that level of micromanagement. Don't do Tropico.
The simulation should be a giant spreadsheet hidden behind the graphics, do it like Factorio. Just do SimCity 4.
Hire your grandpa who builds dioramas in his basement because he knows what city builders are all about.

Can anons point me to a guide for playing Sim City 4 in current year?
With mods to make it not crash? I also remember being an obligatory mod that I forgot the name of that added some new ways to handle traffic.

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>no true city builder

feelsbadman

>>734097001
just play vanilla first to get feel of the game before installing NAM

>>734097508
>no true city builder
I wish modern city builders were focused on policy and zoning, currently it's mostly just traffic management.

>>734094561
The only way CS2 could've not sucked is if they took it apart to really make the core simulation aspect more complex yet more stable with proper programming rather than half-assed spaghetti. But it's Paradox and the chance of that happening was zero.

>>734097001
PCGamingWiki helps with the stability issues.

best city builder that isnt modern, medieval, or classical? like some 1600s-1900s type thing

>>734097630
>zoning
Zoning should work itself out over time. Build big roads and commercial development builds along the roads, residential prefers side streets.

How's the new Anno?

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>>734098092
I want more zoning, it shouldn't be automated. Having explicit buildling height limits, minimum setbacks, volume to area ratio for highrises, residential density, there's so much to do but we've been stuck on green, blue and yellow since the first SimCity.

Before an argument about zoning blows up. I think multiple forms of city planning should work in the game like play styles and the simulations shouldn't be tied to roads. Various types of cities could be built in the perfect city builder.

>>734098496
Don't forget enviromental limitation as well. Ground water, water run-off, soil type, geographical conditions, climate type, etc. Could be kino but it will alienate casuals for sure.
For me i just want city simulation that able to simulate natural waterfall.

>>734099123
>For me i just want city simulation that able to simulate natural waterfall.
Nova Roma has some water/aqueduct management but beyond that the demo didn't wow me. From Dust has the best water sim but it's not a city-builder.

>>734099123
A game can be made playable at any level if the core mechanics are simple with deep optional complexity.
Get the people to work, simple for casuals but get the people to work effectively and draw more city power out of them using precise zoning systems and infrastructure management at a pro level, none of which required to play the game meaning the city won't fail for casuals and the pros get to flex too.

>>734067206
what do they eat?

>>734099690
Sustained by adrenaline generated from going down the slope.

>>73498496
Building heights would be nice. I think that it would be cooler if like in real cities, all new developments had to be approved prior to building, so you don't have a nice neighborhood that instantly turns into high-rise apartments.

>>734098620
>shouldn't be tied to roads.
Modern cities are tied to streets and roads, though. Even medieval "old town" areas are basically a large shopping mall that have parking nearby. I guess there's favelas and extremely isolated areas but those are the exceptions.

>>734099123
The big question about all that is what purpose would it actually serve? Soil type is just going to be a limiting factor (oh, your city has too much clay and/or sand, so no skyscrapers or tunnels), climate could be fun but at the end of the day it's just aesthetics. I do think there should be flowing water, though.

>>734100390
Meant to reply to >>734098496

I fucking hate combat
Stop adding combat to city builders

>>734100871
My pet peeve is adding resources to city building. It's always vastly oversimplified, always punishes you for importing, and always comes at an expense at making the rest of the simulation better.

>>734086867
underrated

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>>734100390
Building height alone is very interesting. Paris is one of the few cities to have an actual limit in meters, normally it's a maximum number of stories defined in each zone. Air rights are also interesting, if your zone allows for max two stories but your neighbor only has one floor you can buy his air rights and make your building three stories tall, that's not allowed everywhere though. With highrises, it's usually about the volume of the building to it's base area so two lots of the same surface can have different maximum heights if one is a fat building and the other is super thin.

>>734100390
The thing with soil type is that it doesn't vary that much within the city so mainly you'd get different construction types per city but city-builders never really focus on contrusction standards so I'm also not sure how well it could be integrated into the gameplay.

>>734100972
Worse than resources, I hate having to plant farms in ancient/medieval city builders. Cities import food, I shouldn't have to have farms right next to my town hall.

How do you cope with Sim City 4 maps being so ridiculously small?
Every time I try to start up SC4 after having played Skylines, I immediately quit in disgust after loading up a map for a new city.

>>734071783
A gentlemen of taste right here.

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soviet republic babbies think they are playing a difficult game

>>734101770
It's just a sign of the time. I imagine Sim City 4 looked really big on a fuzzy CRT in the early 2000s

>>734084146
Banished *really* suffers for how it simulates workers.
>builder walks a long way to start new development
>taps it once
>goes back home to eat
>walks a long way to continue new development
>gets assigned a new job in optimization shuffle pulse
>new builder walks a long way to continue new development
>taps it once
>leaves to get a new tool
Watching this happen while you are waiting to be able to continue progressing is just fucking insufferable. And I don't even want to expand past ~300 pop in a filled small map after which more issues crop up.

>>734086867
LMAO

>>734069682
Pre-rendered graphics and Pixel art is timeless. 3D graphics however, are not unless very stylized.

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I recently started Rimeorld and I've been working on this city in a mountain cavern.

>>734101192
When I lived in Austin, I learned that although they didn't have a hard limit like Washington DC (nothing there can be taller than the Capitol building) they had to preserve certain "viewing angles" to the state capitol building. Actual air rights if I recall are between property owners, not with the city, though sometimes public air rights can be sold. In Boston, there's a supermarket that's cantilevered over a sunken highway.

>different construction types
All the SimCity games have had different tilesets to represent cities across the world. There are some subtle differences, though, Florida houses don't have to have to worry about snow piling up on roofs, but those can be addressed by what's already there.

>plant farms in ancient/medieval city builders
I think Soviet Republic W&R punishes you for importing food, but "resources" is in the name, so...

>>734101919
The colony management part of Captain of Industry turns me off from it, and they don't even offer a demo. It's a shame as I wanted something like Factorio but ending with selling finished products rather than converting them into flasks full of colored goo. I'm not opposed to farms, though, I was hyped for Factorio Space Age but Gleba sucks so much.

>>734090847
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2379910/Dystopika/

not retro, but here you go.

>>734102285
Bros, how come it feels like developers can't be make City builders anymore?

>>734103707
they think they're competing with simcity and or cities skylines but they aren't
that's literally it
there's a dozen half decent medieval city builders but zero new modern city builders
Citystate Metropolis is an upcoming thing but it's a one man show so it'll probably either never come out or never be finished if it does. The dev already has a track record for the latter.

>>734103346
Air rights are between owners but similar to densification, it probably has to be approved by the local council but it's rarer than densification. For example, they converted a single family house nearby to a duplex and it had to be approved by locals. Having zoning laws where densification is allowed vs other neighborhoods where it has to be manually approved would be neat, especially to preserve the local character of a neighborhood.
>construction types
Maybe have something about building standards being more relaxed or strict per zoning area would fill a similar gameplay loop. For example, allow poor neighborhoods to have lower standards, but that comes at the cost of health and fire safety so you need to spend more on those services in those areas. That's also something missing from city-builders to deliberately have slums and bad neighborhoods. The goal is always to make a utopia for everyone instead of letting the player make the city they want. And the "utopia" is very much dictated by the values of the devs making the game.

>>734086867
kek

>>734071783
Pharaoh and Emperor were the only ones I managed to finish. Caesar III was cool but Zeus was eh. I liked the emphasis on the lore but it seems a bit too cartoony for me.

>>734103932
Yeah good point, I really like Frostpunk and it's a fresh spin on the genre. Devs need to take notes.

>>734066825
will someone PLEASE just make an isometric city builder with the same graphical style, but one that fixes the stupid bugs and stability issues of SC4, the ones that even that one mod/patch doesn't fix correctly.
JUST DO IT, HOW HAS NO ONE DONE THIS?

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>>734077364
For me it was Urban Underground

>>734091146
Man, commieblocks almost look comfy when the trees have leaves and the grass is green

>>734076305
It's legit too. Obviously everything is on a compressed scale, but I can point to things i recognize irl. There's the yoko-yoko highway, that's route 16, this is the kannonzaki lighthouse, etc

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Hopefully this game will live up to its potential.

>>734101192
in new york you can buy other properties unused height and add it to your plot if they're close enough and selling.

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>>734108072
Well like I mentioned at >>734100390 it's the way current logistics work and there aren't really good examples of functional "no car" cities. In third-world cities there's still streets and roads but more bicycles, buses, and auto rickshaws.

SimCity/Cities Skylines not having much in the way of parking lots is more of a limitation in programming because they're extremely limited in what you can have in a given space. It also affects things like airports. Airports are huge, but they don't look like this in city simulators (this is obviously a custom build and probably not even functional) because it would basically take up the entire map.

In real life you're not limited to a 4km*4km square.

>>734108520
every time I see an image like this it hurts me that there's no good airport builder game that captures this kind of scale

>>734109039
Most things in the "simulation" category are altogether horrible. They're basically pick up trash simulators and/or drop the pre-rendered asset simulators without understanding how the systems work.

>>734109384
>pre-rendered asset simulators
If I ever make something in this genre, that's the first thing I'm dealing with. I picture a system where you draw boundaries and it fills in structure with a tileset. Instead of just zoning a road-enclosed block you break it up into lots with building outlines and open space, also allowing those lots to be of whatever shape to fit whatever roads and terrain you're working with. Maaaybe it can go further and let you assemble buildings out of chunks and do some kind of volume evaluation to assign gameplay values.

>>734108520
I wish the neighboring regions could also benefit from the airport. Or can they? The demand thing in 4 always seems like half black magic of how it works.

>>734107802
I just downloading the demo, thanks for bringing it to my attention, based and keyed in anon!

>>734073027
>potsdam
How about using some real names instead of stupid stoner ones.

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>>734092053
I wish the relevant companies hadn't all decided that 2D-sprite based games were beneath them

By now we should have a spiritual successor to SC4 that lets you build cities the size of a whole region from 4

>>734116665
We don't need bigger. We need more detail. The things that people have pointed out as limited in this very thread.

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>>734080798
Man, I didnt expect to see that pic posted after all these years

>>734097439
>SimCity YooKay

>>734079701
Looks like a toy for faggots so that's a hard pass for me. Cozy is a code word for women and homosexuals.

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thoughts on this one?

>>734116665
Yeah, it sucks.
I want a modern engine, high resolution 2D sprite based city builder. Imagine SC4 with sprite quality of Factorio.

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>>734093309
Probably contains a few squares of land representing Okinotori Island, going by it's position.

>>734066945
Nah bro, let me just call my cousin vinnie.

>>734067206
You fucking know a) there's a toll on the road and b) at least three extremely ramshackle scaffolds to get up the cliff because fuck paying the toll even if I die.

>>734071110
The fun part is by the time we break the stigma of remembering old fucks are not necessarily wise or worth respect they'll all be dead and I'll be the old fuck, except this time no house no pension and the world is 500% more fucked.
Nah just kidding, I'll just kill myself to escape this hell before the claws really begin to tear.

>>734083168
That fucking ticker is my first real experience of "The media are cunts who literally turn one bed I can't fill into HOSPITAL CRISIS and ten beds empty into TAXPAYERS MONEY WASTED BY HYPERCOMMIE" Little shits.

>>734117230
I played he demo and thought
>Anno 1800 but worse and with gimmick

>>734119926
>Anno 1800 but worse and with gimmick
Isn' that just the underwater Anno? 2070 or something

>>734066929
everything about trains in w&r is garbage
if i have to see one more "path signal" in a game again i am shooting someone

>>734097001
>>734097508
never use NAM

>>734107802
Been on my wishlist for ages. Hope it comes out soon.

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I've been on the same A-Train 9 map for a few dozen hours because I want to fill the entire map with buildings.

However, I'm limiting the availability of building materials because I want to keep some areas less developed, since when an area becomes too developed, the land tax becomes so high that less profitable stores are no longer worthwhile, and I want there to be less dense areas with simpler stores and inexpensive restaurants to give the city variety.

>>734107802
I'll check it out, somehow wasn't on my wishlist while I often have every new citybuilder camping it.

This thread makes me want to reinstall tropico 4. I always had fun making comfy neighbourhoods in this game but hated how after some time the beautiful residential buildings would get replaced by ugly modern bricks which are "better"
I kinda wonder if the devs were doing a subtle jab at how modernity replaces soulful native architecture with souless ugly designs

>>734107802
Sounds promising, being able to actually view the interiors of buildings and follow your citizens in their everyday life sounds great and the devs claims the game will have an actually optimised performance-focused engine but we'll see

>>734123786
I don't know if the newer Tropicos are actually good. I just occasionally get a hankering to play the original.

>>734067206
Haha
this image is a decade old

>>734123932
Tropico 4 is fun and comfy but a bit easy
Tropico 5 tried to do new things but it ends up feeling a bit awkward, but at least it has a bit more challenge to it
Haven't played 6 yet
Also isn't there a 7 now?

>>734086867
hehe

>>734124086
>
2 was my favourite.
Shame we haven't had another pirate island sim since.

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Is this worth it?
I remember playing the demo and I built a walled ghetto where I moved all the brown people into. I don't think any other city builder game lets you do that

>>734124086
6 is 5 but better i guess
7 soon

>>734126360
6 is devoid of any sovl and the G*rmans just made it another (bad) logistics simulator.

>>734104610
>commieblocks
>5 floors

>>734122307
Why

>>734116791
more detail means more simulation which means managing every single individual traffic light and turning lane ala cities skylines and STILL needing a road network built for a metropolis of 6 million people for a population of 40,000
or simulating the needs of every citizen ala surviving mars where your bustling prosperous city consists of... 50 people
or simulating every industry and service ala sim city 2013 with its HOURLY budgets and economy that needs personal intervention to function instead of just.. doing it's own thing

It's a matter of scale, I want to actually manage a city, not micro-manage people and traffic lanes. At larger scales these things handle themselves or are small enough to not need to be simulated at all

>>734097001
Latest NAM release + SC4Fix, for starter.
Note that you need the 4GB Patch and patch the SC4 exe with it in order to use the full NAM.
After that it will depend on what you want to do in the game.

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has anyone tried making a city in cities skylines with the majority of the traffic being pedestrian foot traffic using those plaza paths or whatever they're called? pic related

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I just want a proper city builder with ACTUAL combat so I can satisfy two autisms at the same time. Why is that so hard? Manor Lords gets decently close to what I want but it's an unfinished mess at the moment

>>734128101
Anno has combat, doesn't it? I'm not entirely sure because I turned it off back when I played 1602 and never turned it on in any of the sequels

>>734073027
I've played it loads, but now I'm just waiting for Open Loco to take off.

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>>734128101
Crusader Kings 1

>>734128384
>uncslop
yikes

>>734123518
How is this game and is it worth playing as a beginner over classic or the tourism spinoff?

Classic definitely has the most visual appeal just going off screenshots

>>734076305
I wish we could get the ultra merge between Sim City 4, Chirs Sawyer's Locomotion, Simutrans and The Sims 2. with asymmetric gameplay.

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>>734128101
Black & White 2

>>734125879
they'd never get away with the shit 2 had

>>734128652
>made the exact same mistake as the Settler series

>>734070335
>face challenge from service buildings barfing out service vehicles, causing road traffic
The first time this ever happened in the entire genre was sim city 2013

imagine being so blinded by decade old memes that weren't even true that you attribute a core gameplay innovation to SC2K

>>734128101
chads moved onto colony sims, citybuilder chud

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>>734128761
Hey thanks for reminding me to shill Per Aspera
You start out making resource extraction nodes and shit but slowly terraform Mars. It's great, you get to see it fill up with water and plants

>>734090449
looks brown like your skin color

>>734090449
I don't think beavers actually build industry, actually

>>734128952
How do you know for sure?

>>734090449
>timberborn

The Woodbloods

>>734092053
literally the most soulless and boring out of all the sim city games and that's the one you latch on to

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>>734066825
I know its ancient history now, but remember the Sim City reboot with always online that was a complete fucking disaster and Cities Skylines came in and completely ate it fucking lunch?

Skylines turned into a meme, but at the time everyone loved it and funny looking back that time now. Feels like yesterday but it was over a decade ago.

>>734127686
I have but I always struggle to keep my commercial businesses stocked because those need road traffic to deliver goods, so you have to design exclaves for commercial buildings fed by roads which naturally people end up using for general traffic. There's a way to ban trucks from roads, but there really isn't away to make other roads trucks only.

>>734129420
it's funny because cities skylines inherited a lot of the same problems as sim city 2013, chief among them the hourly budgeting time scale and the individual actor traffic management

>>734129420
And in reality, skylines simply copied it very poorly, everything is done much worse in skylines compared to SC13

they literally sold basic day-night cycle as DLC, ridiculous.

they even have a "royalty-free" knockoff version of the same music in the trailer

people love an objectively inferior version of the same product, because online shillfluencers told them to, without ever actually playing it themselves

you are a mindless consumer drone

>>734129887
You talk out your ass. The fact you can actually build a city alone without a few separated tiny squares is enough to mog the absolute train wreck that was sc2013. Thet game destroyed the franchise and maxis forever. They had to make dlc for verticality because they fucked the core of the game so bad it couldn't be fixed. So sick of this nostalgia baiting for 2013. I knew it was gonna fucking happen, it happens with everything, but I cant allow it. You rewrite history on a travesty

>>734129887
People were mostly objecting to EA lying about the simulation being so advanced it needed to be online to offload the simulation to their company survers when it was just transparent anti-piracy measure. You had to be there, you clearly weren't around during this time period and just got your opinion from some youtuber.

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>>734128857
Oh?

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>>734129887
I can't believe someone still goes to bat for Sim City 2013 in 2026.

>>734129157
here's you contrarian boi award, now fuck off.

>>734130314
I could barely give a shit about the story, I didn't even know Troy Baker voiced anyone
I guess it's simple, sure. Game's like 15 hours long and has to ferry you through 6 eras or something like that
And if the dude had trouble with his production, it means his transport lines were overloaded which the game tells you very clearly

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>>734128502
A-Train 9 is more sandbox-based, while Classic and Tourism are scenario-based.

All three games focus on trains and their operations, so keep that in mind. Although there is a lot of complexity in the strategic part of infrastructure construction (especially in Tourism), the depth of gameplay and its focus is on train operations, which are done exclusively through timetables. You don't have signals to create logistics like OpenTTD. You essentially need set departure times of your trains right (which is why in complex operations, players like to use external timetables programs such as pic related).

A-Train 9 is more complex as a simulator: there is more flexibility in the timetable, and you can do more sophisticated things, including coupling/uncoupling trains, shunting, etc.

Tourism/Classic are more strategic since you have limited resources to achieve certain goals. Some Tourism scenarios, on hard mode, are extremely strategic and will force you to build a very advanced infrastructure that meets several demands at the same time.

In summary: I don't recommend the game to anyone because it's expensive and the focus is on timetables rather than signals. But I'm not autistic and I avoid doing very complex things (because timetables are really hellish to manage), but even so, A-Train is by far my favorite game of this style. Also, Tourism has the most understandable tutorial (A-Train 9 has no tutorial at all).

>>734129420
I vividly remember that interview with one of the developers saying that the online only aspect will work perfectly with a look of despair in his eyes

>>734130870
>there is more flexibility in the timetable
not that you really need it since passengers don't have destinations

>>734131286
Actually, I think they have a destination on A-Train 9, but the way these things are calculated is quite abstract.
Basically, the game kind of only calculates the two adjacent stops. If you have the two nearby stops set to "passengers board/alight", then the game will calculate how many people are interested in going from Point A to Point B, and the train will be occupied accordingly. And that's basically it. Although it's super simplistic, this calculation already makes it possible to do things like have an express train that leaves from a populated area A, doesn't stop at stations B and C, but stops at station D, which is also populated.
In the case of A-Train Tourism, the calculation is more robust and the game considers the entire line. So passengers will board the train and stay on it until they reach their destinations, and this generates more subtleties and details that you need to deal with (especially during rush hour).

But anyway, A-Train 9, as a model railroad simulator, is much more advanced than A-Train Tourism, thanks to its more complex timetables.

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>>734066825
I used to play skylines a lot. What I liked the most was drawing up rail lines that went through the city. I wish there was a train sim that allowed you to drive on lines you built yourself.

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>>734067206
This actually reminds me of a place near me that's basically a village on a very steep hill surrounded by the rest of the city.

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>>734069682
People used to fucking care. Can you imagine a game today coming with a academic reading list?

>>734133216
If this happened today, /v/ would get butthurt and call the devs psueds

>>734133314
Yes, because game studios today are different

>>734122268
I haven't played much of WR yet because it makes my GPU go brrr, does the signals not work like in OTTD?

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>>734079701
For me it's tramstertram

>>734133649
>transterdam

>>734069682
made by super white people.

>>734070367
it's near impossible to go bankrupt on SC4, you have to spam a bunch of unnecessary schools and hospitals to even get close to going into the red, even if you never touch taxes.

>>734130194
I bought it week one and had none of the problems people were talking about

it is a masterpiece, skylines is a shitty knockoff

>>734074594
the real objective is "make number go up".
Basically you need to be the richest motherfucker on the planet by 2050.
At least that is originally how it worked, OTTD might have different objectives if you use mods.

>>734128679
>rape is one of your pirates' needs
Yeah I can't imagine that going down well.

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>>734128101
WDYM ACTUAL combat? Farthest Frontier has an rts-like system to defend against raids. Or do you mean rollslop and what have you?

>>734116038
Potsdam is a major german city. google is your friend.

>>734133578
Signals in W&R are a hybrid of OpenTTD's path signals and regular block signals. It's fine if you can keep the track colors only blue and orange and use chain signals (pre-signals in openttd) at the start of junctions.

>>734089162
based post the images
>>734133649
looks nice

>>734091057
the PC version is pretty good, and you can participate in the online stuff even with the pirate version, but it is like a lego/mockup game rather than actual city building.
I recommend at least giving it a try, especially if you are more on the artsy side.

>>734128101
>with ACTUAL combat
why?

Combat is literally a mechanic for the low IQ.