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>Super Metroid remake
oh no. they're going to DE-SOUL one of our most beloved games ever, /v/ros!
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>Nash Weedle
this guy is wrong all the fucking time. false alarm
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>>734088654
>remaking this in cheap mobile-tier 2.5D
the horror... the horror...
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What are your predictions?
>Sequence breaks are removed
>death screen no long has zero suit
>100% screen also has no zero suit
>8 billion lines of dialogue added
>3 hour tutorial
>samus goes on a long monologue about trans rights and black reparations
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>>734088654
Jesus Christ, is there nothing sacred left? Of all games to remake do they really have to take a dump on Super Metroid? The game is a pure classic that looks great and plays well, 16bit games don't need to be remade
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>>734088961
This. I don't know why anyone still listens to him.
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>>734089270
I predict no one will play it because it will be dogshit and they'll continue playing the original but this makes nintendo think no one likes metroid anymore because they aren't playing the new fucking dogshit game just because it's fucking dogshit and not because they dont care about metroid
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thankfully not buying remakes is a boycott i have no trouble at all committing to
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>>734089270
No crystal flash for you.
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>>734088960
Actual new game has a harder time selling than remaking a game everyone knows. And by "everyone" I mean the 30-40 year olds who still buy consoles and will buy this game because "it's Super Metroid". They also make up a lot of the "gaming reviewer" space, so they probably also think it means easy positive PR too.
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>>734089182
watch the ad, retard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW6oLrsXCfw&t=22s
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I liked Dread and their 2 remake was...fine (am2r was better) but in no way can they EVER do Super justice.
Dont fucking bother, make metroid6, a 2d version of prime or a remake of fusion, but touching Super IS setting yourself up to failure and tarnishing the decent rep you build recently.
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>>734089207
This is the thing that always baffles me with how many ways you can play Super Metroid that nobody has the excuse not to play it other than you aren't interested. I have half the mind to figure they don't actually care or just want a remake because it would give them attention and updoots from their reddit "friends" when they post a pick of it and never get pat 10% of the game.
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>>734089992
I would hate any attempt at remaking Super, no matter who did it, its a product of its time and while not objectively perfect, its perfect for what it is and any modification is highly likely to fuck it up.
Dread was cool, keep doing more sequels.
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>>734088654
The first word from your image is literally "RUMOR". I swear I could go on twitter, tweet that Nintendo is remaking Ocarina of Time using the BotW engine, add "rumor" and "insider claims" and you faggots would still eat it up and get angry about it.
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>>734090194
Here's a novel idea: how about you wait and see whether it actually gets announced, and if that does happen, then you start complaining about it? We could call it delayed dissatisfaction. Think it could catch on?
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>>734089992
I don't want any more remakes. I want new games and new game ideas. We are oversaturated with remakes and they are never better than their originals anyway. This will be no different if it even exists in the first place
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>>734090535
See >>734090453
You're complaining about a game that hasn't even been officially announced. So you're complaining about something that is, at this point in time, purely hypothetical. What if it doesn't get announced after all, and you wasted all of that energy complaining about nothing? If I was you, I'd be feeling pretty stupid. But I think we both know that the complaining is the point, and what you're complaining about doesn't actually matter that much.
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>>734090176
Super is one of my favorite games, so if they were to remake it I would hope it would be completely different. I wouldn't mind seeing a dev tackle a Super remake as a third person or even a first person game despite my dislike for the Prime series. Better to retread old lore than write something new and retarded.
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>>734088654
>>Super Metroid remake
are you ready for more MACKENZIE KINO bros?
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>I want them to make the game less fun
Why are you such sad joyless cunts?
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>>734090729
Dread was a 7/10 hyped up to an insane degree because people have been starved of a new non-remake 2D Metroid for so long
they'd make a good action game, but they'll never make a good Metroid game because they don't understand atmosphere, isolation or good world design
>areas are lazily linked by trains, elevators and portals rather than organic transitions. world doesn't feel cohesive at all, you zip between zones with reckless abandon so you never get a sense of them as meaningful distinct spaces, never mind a full cohesive world that you can understand in your head
>zones don't feel distinct enough, Cataris and Artaria become covered in fire & ice, half of the zones have 1 or 2 fire and ice areas too; Ferenia, Elun and Hanubia are way too similar
>EMMI zones on every world further reduce individuality, especially since all interiors look the same
>too many cutscenes
>Samus's characterization is off, seems like a tryhard posing for an audience, Doom 2016 tier at times
>rushed towards the end, pacing is poor
>fps drops
>insane loading times
>railroads too often
>map is cluttered to hell
>acquiring item upgrades before you have it doesn't give you the item
>soundtrack is forgettable
>poor upgrade pacing, certain upgrades used 2-3 times then replaced in 15 minutes
>too many upgrades tied to just opening doors
>not a lot of enemy variety
>bosses re-used too much, Chozo soldiers for example
>bosses like Drogyga are visually uninspired, just a giant clam. Experiment Z-57 is very generic
>ADAM might as well not exist with how useless the info is
>EMMI are only scary for the 3rd time at best, the rest you can just fly past
>EMMI are more of a self-contained mini-game, not threatening since after death you restart at the beginning
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>>734091736
>7/10
a good game, yes. nothing you've said i totally disagree with. super metroid remade in the style of metroid dread sounds fun, especially since there'd be no emmis. unless they turn torizos into emmis, blegh.
super metroid in general doesn't have a lot of enemy variety, but at least what's there would be jazzed up.
i think about the boss fights, how dynamic the animations are and how satisfyingly difficult they are, and super metroid in that way sounds fun. just need to make the rest of the remake good.
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>>734091428
Who needs x-ray scope when you got this stud
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>>734088654
>Nash Weedle
It's not happening then. That retard hasn't been right about ANYTHING that wasn't corroborated by ten other leakers.
He just claimed there would be a general Direct in the second half of February.
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Dread was dogshit (even though it sold well) and Prime 4 was a disaster. Before that, you had Federation Force and Other M. Nintendo doesn't know what the fuck they're doing with Metroid anymore so, like clockwork, whenever a developer of a long-running series runs out of ideas, they fall back to re-releasing or re-mastering or re-making one of the older, better games that people still liked. It's pure desperation. They need to get people to like Metroid again before they try to make a new game
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>>734089074
There should be anti-speedrun dev traps, like coding CPU/GPU behavior to have long throttling spikes and temperature increase, forcing performance to plummet every time a speedturd tries to spam any speed-gaining maneuvers except when a player get actual speed items (like Speed Booster or Screw Attack)
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>>734089118
Remake means "to make something again." It has no bearing on quality, like retards (>>734091353) will have you believe
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>>734088654
Dread has better, tighter controls than Super and I'm not afraid to say it. Imagine Super but being able to preserve a speed booster into a wall jump or with a slide. Dread was a phenomenal game and taking what they learned there and applying it to a map made in the design of Super, but updated to support the new tech, would make for an absolute masterpiece.
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>>734088765
Is Super Metroid really that good of a game if people go out of their way to play as little of it as possible?
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>if you like sequence breaks you are a speedrun tranny
What kind of retarded logic is this? Sequence breaks are fun because they add replay value.
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>>734088654
>That would make me really happy since I've never played it!
then just fucking play it you moron, it's a snes game so easy to emulate and if you still want to pay like a good goy it's available on the switch virtual console
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>>734088654
Oh wait. I can play the original on my 3DS AND Switch!
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It will be glorous. They'll replace immersive hints like the Dachora with intrusive hints like Yellow Paint
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WE NEED HIM
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>>734088961
Normally I’d agree with you, but he’s the one that leaked Dread in like spring 2021. Given that the dude is a Spaniard, I’m inclined to believe him on this one
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>>734088654
>Lords of Shadow sold better than expected and proved to be the best selling Castlevania game of all time.
They do decent work but management are total jews now with mandatory overtime and crunch. Plus leaving developers out of the credits.
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>>734092810
Mackenzie is the Bazz of the metroid series!
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what changes would you accept in a remake of super metroid? the only thing I wouldnt mind tweaking is not going all the way back to the last save whenever you die but apart from that I cant think of anything that isnt basically perfect
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>>734098169
>not going all the way back to the last save whenever you die
the only change i would accept is being able to skip the intro cutscenes.
but the sad truth is a remake would probably turn most of Ceres Station into a cutscene
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>>734098169
would you fix >HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW?
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>>734098304
The whole series (at least the classic games before the modern era of every game holding your hand) is built upon "HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW." Personally, I would NOT change it, but I"m sure zoomers would piss and shit their pants if you released something like this in the current year and you didn't have map markers and quest waypoints telling you where to go at all times
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>>734088654
>"That would make me happy since I never played it!"
>"Metroid Dread was my first game in the franchise..."
How stupid is this guy?
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>>734088654
>a new metroid
>a remake of Super
idk I don't think it needs one and I can't imagine they'll make it look any better than it already does. Hope he's wrong.
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>>734102002
Yeah I beat it a couple times, you either shoot an enemy for an entire minute or you wait for the parry indication to one shot them. Compare that to a megaman game or something, just not for me. Modern game design is repulsive
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>>734089359
Both remakes are good, but I'd say AM2R is better.
Only bother with the original GameBoy version if you're interested in it for historical intrigue, gameplay-wise it isn't very fun. If you want to appreciate it more play NEStroid first so you can appreciate the control improvements
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>>734089118
I would love to say zoomers only play 3D modeled games, but also I personally know millenials my age that won't touch sprites so there's a pretty big audience in 3D remakes for people that won't play all the digital storefront versions of old games even if they didn't get a chance to play them in their youth
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>>734088654
If Samus doesn't look like this, then it's shit.
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>>734088654
sad if true. why is the modern vidya industry almost nothing but soulless remakes and remasters? more importantly, why are people fine with it?
if it weren't for certain indie devs who are putting out quality titles id have abandoned the hobby a long time ago.
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>>734088654
ah man, I thought they were remaking Fusion. I love Fusion but I would be okay with them doing it with their Dread knowledge. Super is a huge toss up, who knows if they do it well or not. After Prime 4 though, the series seems volatile, I can see this remake getting ripped apart even if it's good.
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>>734088654
Super Metroid was already more or less a remake. Half the series consists of remakes at this point. Nintendo have never known what to do with Metroid.
>Metroid
Original
>II
Original
>Super
Quasi-remake
>Fusion
Original
>Zero Mission
Remake
>Samus Returns
Remake
>Dread
Original
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When would you say the drop in quality began?
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2002, not because they're bad, but Super simply set the bar too high.
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>>734088765
Only trannies care about sequence breaks for their speedruns to 41%. keep dilating.
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>>734088654
>Samus canonically learns how to grab ledges in Zero Mission.
>From that point on, every game has included ledge-grab by default, even in the remakes.
>Super Metroid is the only entry in the series where Samus cannot grab ledges.
Yes, a remake is necessary to fix this inconsistency.
Hell, I would even theorize that there are two timelines:
One where Samus never learns to grab ledges (the classic games), but then dies in Metroid Fusion because she cannot escape SA-X due to her inability to grab ledges.
And a new timeline where Samus learns to grab ledges in Zero Mission and retains that knowledge throughout all the subsequent games.
We NEED the Super Metroid Samus who can grab ledges.
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>>734088654
I guess that'd be cool, considering how flawed Super Metroid is compared to every 2D Metroid after it, but I'm so tired of remakes at this point that I'm not sure if I even want this. It'd be cool to see the room layouts of each area get tweaked in a similar way to AM2R or Samus Returns, but at the same time I don't trust Mercury Steam to keep the visual design and atmosphere intact, considering how their previous games looked. The added parryslop with Marvel cutscenes would be cringe, but it's a small price to play for good controls and a tolerable version of Maridia.
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not really, it was because games were kinda shit and pulled non chalant rule breaks like that all the time. Especially if you were a nintendo shitter. So you expected bad game design, and zoomers do not. Especially not from the "best of all time" game
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>downright dogshit or absolute down the line mid there is nothing else it can be
>If they add other M level cutscenes speed zoomers will off themselves
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>that would really make me happy since ive never played it
why does this person have a job? How can you report on video games and not fucking play the classics? its on NSO, its the most accessible metroid game today (or you could pirate it)
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>>734109262
Super Metroid should be one of those games everyone who works in the games industry has beaten along with games like Doom, Mario 64, Half-Life, ALTTP, etc. and I felt like in the 2000s that was the case.
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>>734109746
>awakening and minish cap are better
Redditors born after 9/11 really have to stop all spouting the same retarded shit. This is as embarrassing and objectively wrong as lil zoomies LARPing that the Oracles games were actually good.
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i was born before 9/11 which is why i've bothered with a fucking gameboy game. And somehow a fucking gameboy game still is better than a SNES one. Don't quoute me on minish cap tho, i barely remember it. But link to the past is ass. It looks bad, it sounds bad, it plays bad and it has the most "glass tubes" of any zelda game since zelda 1. And yeah redditors will defend AlttP as the best one too, so you are beinga redditor
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>going to turn her into no-tits muscle mommy uwu cancer again like they did in Dread
>not going to have any of the unique hidden beam interactions
>parryslop instead of actually introducing melee or point-blank shooting mechanics into the series for the nth time (imagine being able to stick the arm-cannon into a la creatura and making it pop NAHHH man blink and hit button!!!11!)
>sequence breaks likely gone
>no suitless end reward if you play well and beat the game quickly, replaced by just some shitty westoid "art"work like with Dread
>music will suck total ass compared to the original version
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>n-n-n-no I'm n-n-not a zoomer!
>y-y-you're the Redditor!
The zoomer Ledditor cries out in pain as he strikes you, KWAB. LttP is the prototypical LoZ game. Literally every single true Zelda game lifts so much shit from it that it's undeniable it's a landmark game. As a zoomer, I know your entire life has been nothing but Roblox, Fortnite, and Minecraft, but there are some games that were so influential they literally changed the gaming landscape. LttP is one of those, not the heckin' quirk chungus wind fish (it was all... a LE DREAM! xD) game.
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>>734088654
>Hack fraud spaniards going to butcher the GOAT
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You never got 100% items, see >>734095436
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yeah, exactly. It's a landmark game. Which means it's already been done better by literally everyone else. Cause nintendo is good at coming up with shit, not at iterating on it. Just like HL2 plays like literally every single shooter that came out after it - ALttP DNA is so deeply ingrained in modern gaming there's nothing fresh to be gained from playing it. You don't tell people to play wolfenstein 3d, despite it being the progenitor of FPS. You tell them to play actually somewhat fun doom.
And yeah that's exactly why i am recommending awakening - cause it's fucking ALttP but not the first draft.
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>>734110898
No? It literally says "3" in the intro.
>but why is all da big bad still alive
IDK, think I remember someone theorizing that the space pirates just send clones of their "bosses" to planets and not the originals, idgaf.
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>>734090729
Anything the rest of the world likes we have to rage and piss and scream about, everything the rest of the world doesn't like we have to worship it and call it based and redpilled. That is how 4chan has worked since the beginning.
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>>734088765
I'm no speedrunner but that would be a shame.
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>>734110898
>mfw they kept the same energy tank placement in the ceiling from the second room in NEStroid
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>>734110898
Obviously not but I get the gist. Super is so much like an upgraded Metroid 1 it makes the actual GBA remake feel really stale. I ended up liking Fusion better than ZM despite stupid shit like Adam never shutting up and locking you out of exploration
I used to wonder if Super just made it impossible to follow up with another 2D Metroid, but honestly AM2R did fine in fucking Game Maker. Hell, I had more fun with Planets than ZM because it doesn't feel like Super But Worse
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>>734110445
>never got 100% items
Guilty as charged.
Not that it ever stopped me from getting that ending because it's entirely dependent on completion time and has shit-all to do with item collection % you stupid fucking NIGGER
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>>734090535
All the best ideas have already been done. Just choose from the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of games that exist.
Be glad.
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I didn't like it, too much use of points of no return and one wey gates to railroad you from boss fight to boss fight.
I just liked that Super Metroid was so much more open to just backtracking, as you got a new powerup and you instantly start thinking of places you can use it to get things you have so far missed. Super Metroid lets you do it practically at any time.
Metroid Drread shuts you into limited pieces of the map at a time.
and I hated the stealth sections, the EMMI zones.
I haven't liked a single post Fusion 2D Metroid.
Fuck Adam locking doors behind you, I was so fucking glad he died so I could actually play like it was a metroid game.
Samus having parts of her suit available but not authorized for use until Adam says so, like, not letting Samus use her Varia suit until she's IN the superheated zone FIGHTING A BOSS. Gee thanks boss for not letting me cook completely.
all that obnoxious railroading started with Fusion.
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>>734110445
I did both.
I did 100% item collection first. It helped me get familiar enough with the game to use shortcuts and sequence breaks
took a time or two to finally get the revealed Samus ending. I was a kid.
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it's actually a mistranslation. In japanese script samus is doing that herself cause she is a speedrunner and adam asks her "please just play the game normally" and THEN she asks authorization just to be extra cocky
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Nintendo made a perfect remake/sequel with a link between worlds. It's not an actual remake of alttp but it feels like it even though it's a different game. If they could do something like that with super metroid it'd be cool
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>>734088654
... why though? People liked Dread and it was the best selling game in the series, just make something new.
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I don't tell people to choose between LTTP or LA.
I say play both.
They're both enjoyable in their own right.
I might not reccomend going back to the original Legend of Zelda, it's not as fun, it got surpassed by LttP so hard that it made the original not worth playing unless you're a completionist for the series now.
but LttP, even if it has been surpassed, is still quite worth playing and is fun. I've replayed LttP and LA multiple times, and I always enjoy going through them again after some years have passed.
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>NegroWeedle
Ah, so literally anything other than Super Metroid Remake is happening. Gotcha.
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> Nintendo have never known what to do with Metroid.
Is it really so hard to make games where you explore strange and hostile alien biomes with a moody and oppressive atmosphere of dread punctuated by moments of intense action when a big scary alien monster shows up and you know power-ups that unlock new means to explore the environment.
If its got that I'll play whatever you put out.
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>Is it really so hard
Apparently. Nintendo just gave up after Zero Mission.
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>>734088654
Draygonbros we're finally back...not in canon though, in canon we're still under the sands of Maridia...
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>>734088825
They'll ruin the game in ways your non-insane brain can never foresee, never anticipate. When the remake is done you'll stand in shock before it and will slowly shake your head and occasionally mumble
>... Why?
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so what is this some flash game or what
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They are trying to astroturf Metroid as some beloved franchise. It was never popular. They spawned a genre from it and then threw it away for some 3D action slop. They should just reboot the franchise as strictly Zero Suit Samus coomer games and get rid of the suited bullshit nobody likes it and nobody has ever liked it
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Kill yourself, genuinely
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>it's just a sidescrolling platformer with shooting, but you get like 8 unlockable healthbars and instead of having stages like classic castlevania it's all 1 large level in which you need to backtrack to find some upgrades and alternate paths
woooooow
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>>734108092
>the "hint" is that they show it happening in the attract mode on the title screen
The hint is also that Super Bombs reveal secrets in rooms, so you start using them any time stuff doesn't make sense. This is how we used to do it, methodically.
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>dodged the Bloodborne demake
>Super Metroid gets raped instead
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>>734089270
>Beloved classic gets remade
>Part of the process demands that several good parts get removed, because of course they must
>Leaving them in wouldn't be possible
Why
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>>734089140
Imagine if Nintendo hired the guys from Tengo Project to redo all the pixel art for the game?
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Strange how people praise nibtendo games ad timeless and evergreen, but the moment a remake is announced, everyone clamors on about how the originals are unplayable slop and how we needed a remake so badly.
Interesting indeed.
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>>734092810
The way he lazily wiggles his finger at the door looks hilarious.
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>>734097423
Why don't people differentiate between intentional and unintentional sequence breaks?
Anon 1 says:
>The sequence breaks aren't as good or inspired as previous games
Anon 2 says:
>Oh but if you USE UNINTENDED GLITCHES
...and looks like an utter moron that comically missed the point. Do people not understand what sequence breaks are and why people like them?
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>>734098169
Some changes to the jumpng controls. Add respin and make it easier to spin jump. One of the most frustrating things about Super for me was how it wouldn't accept forward + jump for a spin jump, you'd have to start moving before jumping. I'd constantly straight-jump forward and it annoyed me to no end.
Also, being unable to start spinning in midair was awful, there's a good reason why almost every hack adds respin by default.
Removing energy drain from Shinesparking too.
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>>734137250
Mercury Steam will put points of no return and locking doors everywhere, because of niggers like >>734133740
the idea being if we railroad people where they're supposed to go they won't get "lost"
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>defending remakes