>>734098837
They’re not. Diamond and Pearl are considered the downfall. X and Y was a bit of an uptick before a complete nose dive.

>>734099031
I've only seen a handful (mostly troons) declare that

6th gen games were way too easy.

>>734099031
DP were mid because of the dex, but Platinum, Hgss, and the Gen V games were great.

XY are gay baby games with no postgame and the smallest amount of Pokemon introduced

>>734098837
You'd find many more people who have the knowledge to discuss your point on >>>/vp/, the Pokemon board.

>>734098837
for me its just the game to make me realize they're not doing anything more with the series. the stagnation point was hit and I just felt there wasn't any real point to buying new pokemon games any more.
pokemon: too much water edition looks like they're at least trying a bit harder but unless they show they've done something novel for once I still really don't give a shit

>>734098837
exp all

>>734099223
Inb4 yawnfag declares that forms are counted

>>734099314
They never discuss it honestly. Too many shitposters and trolls.

>>734098837
>virtually no postgame
>exp share made it super easy
>even without it, the game was still easy
Though it was received very positively at the time. It was only in the months after that people started to reflect and notice the flaws. It was assumed we'd get a sequel that would fix things like the inaccessible power plants and southern Kalos but instead Sun and Moon left gen VI feeling incomplete.

>>734099671
Textslop image.

>>734099442
What did you want them to do? Revamp the gameplay into something completely different?
>unless they show they've done something novel for once
Nigga, your Legends games?

>>734099671
>wordswordswords
the left can't meme

>>734099671
>>734099604
speak of the devil

>>734098837
Most of the trends people hate about gens 6 onward started much earlier, but gen 6 is just where most people draw the line because 1-5 have certain qualities people like enough to consider the games good.
>gen 5 started pokemon having an NPC at the beginning and end of every single route telling you where to go and what to do
>pokemon designs have been getting worse since gens 3 and 4
>gen 5 was ultra linear and had tons of dialogue (people didn't seem to mind as much because the story was mildly interesting, which is not the case for gen 6)
>the games were always made on the cheap with strict deadlines and were technically poorly made, but it's more noticeable in gen 6 onward due to 3d graphics
>xy repeats gen 3's formula for the third time, much more overbearing than gen3&4, and much worse than gen 5
This was also where they started pandering to DBZ fags with dogshit mechanics like mega evolution and also "muh heckin childhooood kantooooooooo" in a far more annoying way than GSC or HGSS actually including the region

>>734098837
>What did they start?
>Megas
>Z-moves
>Dynamax
>Tera
Gimmick per gen/game

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>>734099814
Megas were interesting.

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>>734098837
Refer to the guide

>>734098837
They were just fucking garbage, beyond retarded and extremely fucking gay.

>>734099574
this

X and y is the gen that needed a 3rd game/ sequels most and it never got one

Its when gamefreak started to push misuda out

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>>734098837
it was sword and shield and it's not even close, anyone saying otherwise is a genwunner poser

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>>734099889
>enter the dynamax battle
>put with braindead AI that have pokemon like oddish and magikarp
>literally impossible...unless you invite some friends
>which requires a subscription you have to pay for
thanks nintendo

Gen 6 online still hasnt been surpasse

>>734098837
3D

>>734099889
Maybe it works like that in theory or in hyper specific competitive scenarios, but 99% of the time mega evolving is a no-brainer and z-moves are just a once-per-battle guaranteed OHKO

X&Y were boring but mostly inoffensive games. S&M were the first truly shit mainline entries.

>>734100121
No fucking retard I started with gen 1 and never ever bought another pokemon game ever again after gen 6 because gen 6 was so fucking dogshit

>>734099671
It is too easy, even compared to the rest of the series. There's not even one remotely challenging battle.

The story is bad, even by Pokémon standards, especially when it's clear they tried in the last two gens.

The 3D is bland. Most animations are boring and unrealistic based on the species. Sure most attack animations are cool, but the static animations are too plain. Plus tbe games had frequent lag drops in any battle with more than two Pokémon out at once.

There are dungeons but all except for Terminus Cave were mediocre. All were really simple with very few split paths.

You can complete the Looker story in like two hours. The Battle Maison is so easy that I managed to beat the whole thing (beating all Chatelaines and getting all possible rewards) in about 10 hours. There's plenty of other side activities but most are really simple and bare bones. The game only has about 80-90 hours of content and more than half of that is beating the main story.

Yes I'm fine with the games following a similar formula. That is not pandering. Pandering is when they show love to one thing at the expense of another. The Kanto starter you get from Sycamore overshadows the Kalos starter due to the fact that it can Mega Evolve.

>>734099749
Gen 5 didn't do that in every route. Just most of the early routes and some later routes.

>>734100042
Why would XY need a 3rd game? It's already better than Platinum.

>>734099749
There's also the 'getting stopped by NPCs every five steps' complaint. Getting stopped was a thing since Gen 1. It's not like you could just keep walking when your rival shows up. Of course Gen 6 is where it started getting over the top, though you could argue Gen 5 but I just replayed it and it wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered.

>>734099735
the first legends game is a mediocre step up, just for z-a to crash and burn

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>>734100289
>It is too easy, even compared to the rest of the series
no it isn't

>downfall of the series
nvm these games sold better than the series had done in years up to that point, all the corner-cutting devs care about is the one detail that is never acknowledged in these pissant shit-flinging contests.

Pokémon is a garbage series that keeps selling you garbage that you keep buying higher quantities of.

>>734100358
it feels like you have some easy ass rival battle then dialogue tripe in bw every time you enter a new route or town

>>734100420
XY can't be better than Platinum because XY was dogshit. Platinum is one of the best games in the series.

>>734100609
XY can't be worse than Platinum because Platinum was dogshit. XY is one of the best games in the series.

>>734100529
>noass
Interesting how that opinion's changed over time.

>>734099782
XY had too many imo. It started a trend of regional dexes being too big and bloated. Iirc it had like 400+ mons which led to very few repeats later on and every route having completely different stuff than the previous, which sounds great at first but ends up feeling overwhelming.

>>734098837
The online opinion of XY is tainted by thirdies who only experienced the game with emulators, and missed the god-tier online system.

>>734099671
not reading that.

I think people just bitch because they don't like the fun gang of xy instead of a jerkass baddie

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>>734100761
>XY had too many imo. It started a trend of regional dexes being too big and bloated
This. Give me more kino gameplay like this please! I hate it when random encounters are actually fun and the routes have replayability!

>>734099889
Dynamax still has some thought. You don't know what mon your opponent will dynamax

>>734099031
Ruby and Sapphire were the real downfall. they were the first time game freak decided it was okay to cut features from previous games (transfering old pokemon and Day & Night cycle)

>>734100550
look at this pseud typing so much shit to just say "it's always been shit" very original post retard

>>734100243
most esl post I've seen all day

>>734100529
Here I was expecting a Level 45 Scraggy. Also Skyla is like, the easiest gym in the game.

XY is still easier. I've seen people struggle with BW but never XY.

>>734100817
I'd like a middle ground. Where there's some repeats but still new mons. I think a dex of about 250-300 is perfect

>>734100817
I sentence you to 500 years in Mt. Moon.

>easy as fuck
>first game with an overcentralizing gimmick that further trivialized the difficulty (mega evolutions)
>first game with a gaggle of irrelevant rivals following you who weren't your rival or the professor's apprentice
>short
>only had the "battle maison", which was a pathetic replacement for gen 3 / 4's full-fledged battle frontiers or BW2's Pokemon world tournament (which was extreme fanservice)
>pokemon just kind of sucked
BW was the beginning of the end, despite being the last gasp of Masuda's enthusiasm for Pokemon. BW2 was an anomaly. XY was the true decline of Pokemon into mediocrity. the mediocrity trifecta of
>OP gimmick
>annoying companion characters who are not allowed to be antagonistic toward the player (and if they are, they have a change of heart)*
>missing features
has basically been a series mainstay since

* - one of the reasons why klara is popular is because she goes against this

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>>734099721
>>734099738
>>734100775
>This thing is good and here are facts, logical points and information to back that up
>Huh huh, Not reading that, words hurt brain
TikTok brained dumb asses

>>734100998
>clicking A against the gym 3 times is still easier than clicking A against the gym 3 times
I'm sorry about your terminal retardation.

>>734100942
>typing so much shit to just say "it's always been shit"
not what I was saying, moron.
difference being they've been they've been testing the waters for decades to see what they could get away with; with relative success.
it is so obvious that Scarlet and Violet being an undercooked joke along with Palworld scaring the fuck out of them has caused some course-correction after seeing that trailer.

Remember when they changed the entire animation style of the Sun/Moon animé just because Yokai Watch was causing such a stir? these gook fucks only worry about competition. and know they always have their built-in fanbase to fall back on.

>>734101189
>I-IT'S EASY!!!
that's every pokemon game
>I-IT'S EASY!!!
that's every pokemon game
>first game with a gaggle of irrelevant rivals following you who weren't your rival or the professor's apprentice
and yet somehow they interrupt you less than the retards in gen 5
>short
It's literally one of the longest games in the series content wise
>only had the "battle maison", which was a pathetic replacement for gen 3 / 4's full-fledged battle frontiers
RS and DP didn't have battle frontiers and the PWT in BW2 is complete dogshit because it has no difficulty

>>734101289
You clearly clicked A more than 3 times.
Also that's not what I mean.
In XY every single battle WITHOUT EXCEPTION is just clicking A. In most other games, there's at least one where you're almost guaranteed to need to change moves or switch out.

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>>734101374
>In XY every single battle WITHOUT EXCEPTION is just clicking A
Oh....so exactly like gen 5 then

what I'm getting from this thread so far is that XY is fine as long as you're not a complete fucking retard who thinks any of the older pokemon games are challenging

>>734101368
>that's every pokemon game x2
And they're all different levels of easy.

>and yet somehow they interrupt you less than the retards in gen 5
In terms of individual times, maybe. But overall time, no.

>It's literally one of the longest games in the series content wise
Not really. I can complete EVERYTHING in like 80 hours. I don't know why HLTB says 200+ I honestly have no idea what took them so long. Shame HLTB doesn't require proof.

>RS and DP didn't have battle frontiers and the PWT in BW2 is complete dogshit because it has no difficulty
No but they had a third version that had one. If the PWT has no difficulty then the Maison has negative difficulty.

>>734101368
>>I-IT'S EASY!!!
>that's every pokemon game
>>I-IT'S EASY!!!
>that's every pokemon game
see, that's not how it works. if every pokemon game is easy, then making it easier is the opposite of justified, and yet you're here defending it, implying you actually felt the previous games were too hard.

>>734098837
They were games designed to eventually receive a third version that never existed. It introduced a lot of babying mechanics that persisted into later games: free boosts with O-powers, affection bonuses, full-party exp share, and broken battle gimmicks.
Plus all of the blatant Kanto pandering.

>>734098837
XY got me back into Pokemon desu

>>734099314
wrong, /vp/ has this terminally online schizoid who runs defense for Gen 6 like crazy and obstructs all discussion

>>734101416
Nope. Also how come every single image like this is always like the same few fights? Never any of the ones that are often referred to as difficult except random out of context screenshots of a level 35 Darmanitan which can't be obtained at that point without grinding fighting Elesa (can't catch the static ones until much later).

>>734098837
It was the start of gimmicks, Black and White 2 had brought the game to as high as a level as 2D pokemon sprites could go, then they crashed and burned in X and Y.

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>>734101570
>And they're all different levels of easy.
not really
>In terms of individual times, maybe. But overall time, no.
no, they objectively interrupt you less
>I can complete EVERYTHING in like 80 hours
no, you can't. The game has tons of content. If XY takes 80 hours to finish hen BW2 probably takes like 60 hours to finish.
>No but they had a third version that had one
The third versions that didn't have a new region and new Pokemon like XY did? So the games were still shittier than XY anyway? Good to know
>If the PWT has no difficulty then the Maison has negative difficulty
Nah the PWT has streaks so there's actual punishment to losing.

>>734101578
>see, that's not how it works
If I play BW I click A three times against the gym leader to win
If I play XY I click A three times against the gym leader to win
Seems that's exactly how it works. There is no "easier", it's exactly the fucking same

>>734101721
>Never any of the ones that are often referred to as difficult
Which ones are considered difficult? I didn't realize difficult fights existed in Gen 5.

>>734101618
>full-party exp share
people complain a lot about this but i just want to remind everyone, it's not actually the "Exp sharing" part that everyone has a problem with. its the +250% bonus XP and complete lack of game balance adjustments to accommodate it.

>>734101708
not like i don't believe you because i've clocked far too many obsessed schizos on /v/ over the years, but i'd like see some evidence of this. i don't doubt it.

>>734101462
I don't find them hard, just harder than XY.

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>>734101740
>Black and White 2 had brought the game to as high as a level as 2D pokemon sprites could go,

>>734101708
>>734101776
okay i retract my request, the fact that >>734101754 is replying to 3 different posters at once and had this file prepared to post is all the proof i need

lmao

>>734101618
They existed. Past tense. They were planned and had some work done, but never released

>>734101754
>If I play BW I click A three times against the gym leader to win
except you don't, unless you spent a long fucking time grinding levels
>If I play XY I click A three times against the gym leader to win
this one actually happens
>Seems that's exactly how it works. There is no "easier", it's exactly the fucking same
it's not the same, you'd know that if you actually played the games you were online arguing about. You are literally here defending game freak for making easy games even easier.

>>734099735
How about the shit they immediately did after with Sun and Moon?

>>734101780
>I don't find them hard,
Yes you did. Otherwise you wouldn't be spending so much energy screeching about the difficulty.

>>734101762
The game will never be balanced to accommodate it, so let me choose who gets experience.

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>>734101869
>except you don't, unless you spent a long fucking time grinding levels

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>>734101810
Now show the spite in motion.
You won't because in battle it looks better than any other game.

>>734101754
Wow I like how you only have one example

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>>734101929
>The game will never be balanced to accommodate it,
gen 7 already was

>>734101856
I know, but they never happened so it drags down perception of the other gen 6 games.

It was basically the first time Pokemon felt like a fully streamlined slop product and the first time it felt like game freak stopped trying. They redeemed themselves a bit with sun/moon but then kept doubling down on what they started in x/y for next 2 gens.

Gens 3-5 might have been milking the cash cow but the games were high quality productions regardless of everyone's personal opinions of them

>>734098837
>Exp share became a key item
>Game is not balanced around it so you are over levels by like 10-20 levels if you use it
>Battle Maison replacing battle frontier and then was copy and pasted to ORAS
>Kanto slop with Kanto starters, Kanto legendaries and santalune forest being a copy and paste viridian forest
>Smallest new dex in the entire series
>Leaks show they had plans for southern Kalos but they gave up on it and never happened.
>Zygarde was cucked of having a third game and became a side quest in Sun and Moon
It's shit

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>>734101990
>Now show the spite in motion.
ok

>>734101990
You're replying to a guy who's been arguing with the voices 24/7 for years about gen 5. There's no need to respond to him, if nobody bites he'll just samefag arguments at himself in an excuse to dump his seethe folder again.

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>>734098837
It changed the series to full 3D instead of 2.5D sprites (Gen V were criticized for still using sprites in the 2010s and people wanted 3D Pokemon)
It went big on pandering to Gen 1 with lots of inexplicable references to the Gen 1 games and Kanto Pokémon being given special attention (Gen V was criticized for having an entirely new roster of Pokemon and not being able to catch old Pokemon until the postgame)
It had the fewest new Pokemon after Gen V had the most (Gen V was criticized for having a lot of new Pokemon that were "knockoffs" of Kanto Pokemon)

>>734102064
Looks good to me.
Combined with the gen5 camera, it's peak.

>>734101954
>that gif
thanks for proving my point anon.

>>734098837
Game was really lacking in content. Online was probably fine but the single player was just so bland. Pretty much all this>>734102048

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>>734102064
>that tail snapping back into place
>that random wiggling nose
>all those distorted pixels
holy fuck this looks like dogshit

>>734101754
>no, you can't. The game has tons of content. If XY takes 80 hours to finish hen BW2 probably takes like 60 hours to finish.
Nta but it took me about 90 but that's because I kept getting distracted and leaving the game running. BW2 took me about 120. I think you're an outlier here.

>The third versions that didn't have a new region and new Pokemon like XY did? So the games were still shittier than XY anyway? Good to know
Third versions aren't supposed to

>Nah the PWT has streaks so there's actual punishment to losing.
It doesn't have streaks. No punishment does not mean no difficulty.

>>734102048
>Kanto slop with Kanto starters, Kanto legendaries and santalune forest being a copy and paste viridian forest
Lucariowank was still somehow worse than the KANTOOOOO wank.

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>>734102160
>Game was really lacking in content
not really

>>734099671
Odd how you defend a game that even gamefreak gave up on.

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>>734102170
>I think you're an outlier here.

>>734101754
>If I play BW I click A three times against the gym leader to win
If I play XY I click A three times against the gym leader to win
Seems that's exactly how it works. There is no "easier", it's exactly the fucking same
Weird. When I play BW they almost always tank a hit, then hit me back for a solid chunk of my health. Only a couple fights were hitting A a few times. In XY EVERY BATTLE was just mashing A.

>Which ones are considered difficult? I didn't realize difficult fights existed in Gen 5.
When you ask the average player, you'll usually hear stuff like Lenora, Elesa and Ghetsis. I personally used to struggle with the final Cheren fight but I genuinely have no idea why. I've never seen any mentions of this in XY

>>734101895
That's like saying you think 2 is a massive number because you think 2 is greater than 1.

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>>734102310
>When I play BW they almost always tank a hit,
I'm sorry about your terminal retardation. I can play like a retard to pretend XY is challenging too.

>When you ask the average player, you'll usually hear stuff like Lenora, Elesa and Ghetsis.
Elesa? Ok here you go

>>734101797
Do you think Fairy type disrupted the balance of types? Or did it fill a niche need?

>>734102370
If the price of a product got increased from $10.97 to $10.99 you wouldn't be perpetually screeching about it unless you thought 2 cents was a massive number, correct.

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>>734098837
I think people didn't appreciate how more casualized the main story was considering that Pokemon is already a very easy game. They didn't balance the level curve around the EXP share at all and the pacing goes to shit after the 2nd gym. This gen was also the start of Kanto pandering being incredibly in your face and I think a lot of people didn't like the idea of Megas being in a Pokemon game. XY however had a great online competitive scene for both singles and VGC that were a lot of fun and it made raising competitive Pokemon easier than it had been in the past, so I appreciate them for that.

>>734102207
Not really.

>>734102474
you can't beat the game without using mega lucario, there's no other pokemon in any game like that. well, aside from Pikachu in yellow, but surely you aren't gonna say they don't wank pikachu either?

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>>734102474
>um actually I grew up with lucario so it's fine
every fucking time lmao

>>734101797
Gen 6 is when all the troons came in

>>734102432
You think people don't complain when prices increase?

>>734101810
Correct

>>734101797
Dragon claws typed this post.

>>734102595
By 2 cents? No, unless they're incredibly fucking poor and think 2 cents is a lot.

>>734102570
>>734102583
Charizard received two megas. The starters from gen 6 itself don't have megas but the Kanto starters do.

>>734101895
I'm just stating fact

Gen V was Gamefreak going off the rails. Gen VI was them overcorrecting. They were both trash.

>>734102669
Lucario has 2 megas now too :)

>>734102669
And yet weirdly I never see zoomers bitch about Garchomp and Lucario getting two megas. Strange, huh? It's almost like Kanto pandering isn't actually a problem and it's just underaged faggots getting jealous over games they missed out on...

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>>734100529
I like and appreciate XY more than most people but let's not fuck around here
XY gives you a free Mega Lucario with near-perfect IVs and Power-Up Punch before the third gym. There's like two or three battles against a team of six Pokémon that uses Mega Evolution in the entire game and Lucario has a type advantage over all of them. There is not even a pretext of any challenge in this game.

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>>734101797
Well yeah, they realized they peaked the franchise with mega-mawile and just gave up ever trying to make something better since they knew they'd fail.

>>734102048
I turned mine off. Solo running I was level 92 at E4. Using a whole team I was most at or slightly below level. Still shredded every battle though

>>734102701
I'm talking about gen 6 not za.

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>>734102207
This, Kantowank will never be bad

>>734102064
Unironically looks good

>>734102730
>XY gives you a free Mega Lucario with near-perfect IVs and Power-Up Punch before the third gym
Yeah, true. Instead of clicking A against the gym three times with my starter I now I click A against the gym three times with my Lucario.

>>734102070
Bold of you to assume he isn't already samefagging

>>734098837
>What did they start?
The most important points would be:
>Blatant handholding
All Pokémon games before were pretty easy and obviously meant for kids, but these games are the ones that really pushed it by 1000 and treated like the players weren't just kids, they were retarded toddlers that needed endless forced tutorial cutscenes for every little system introduced and give one million different advantages over the enemy trainers that already have limited and weak teams.
>Gen 1 pandering
The first gen that really does it very shamelessly and obnoxiously
>Rushed production and limited content
This is the first one you can really feel they didn't have enough time to polish the game and add extra content, things like the rivals and even random Team Flares admin have intro animations but the CHAMPION battle only gets a moving JPEG like the normal trainers, and most importantly, the fact that there's literally no post game, you just capture legendaries and collect mega stones basically. Yes, generally the first game of a generation has the weakest post-game content, but they usually have something at all.

>>734098837
It was just an underwhelming entey given what came before it and the expectations that came with it being the first fully 3D game. In some areas they delivered but it was more in side features like Amie and the PSS than the main meat of the game which was rough in areas. Lumiose City is pure ass to navigate with its tank camera controls

>>734102719
>people stop complaining about unfair treatment when it stops being unfair
Uh, yes?
Love how you left out Absol by the way.

>>734101797
Fairy was needed to balance Dragon after they decided Dragon should no longer be rare and instead there should be a dozen Dragon Pokemon. Ergo, we can conclude the problem started with whatever generation start the Dragon spam, ie Gen 3.

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>>734102836
>This is the first one you can really feel they didn't have enough time to polish the game and add extra content,
why does it have more content than gen 5 then

>>734102230
All of that can be completed in 10 hours tops.

>>734102280
HLTB doesn't require people to prove themselves, so you can bullshit. I could say it took me 500 hours to 100% Mario 64

>>734102860
>it's not unfair when the thing -I- grew up with gets pandered to!
Thanks for proving my point.

>>734102908
>HLTB doesn't require people to prove themselves, so you can bullshit
You mean like you are?

>>734102310
Ok it didn't green text correctly.....

>But did you know that ZA added new megas huh I bet you didn't know that and this fixes XY Kanto pandering by the way you furry Lucario chud!
Genwunners were a mistake

>>734102376
Notice how he didn't prove he didn't grind? Just provided a static image.

Holy fuck am I glad I stopped playing these games lmao.

>>734102950
>it stops being unfair when multiple regions get that privilege
Correct. You know this too.

>>734103023
>>734101954 already proves no grinding took place because you can see the exp gains from each trainer with no sudden jumps and he ended up at basically the same level

>>734102394
Both.

>>734102881
The problem with Dragon wasn't there being a lot of them, it was giving them ridiculously strong moves like Draco Meteor and the buffed Outrage. If all they had was Dragon Pulse and Claw, they wouldn't be that big of a deal.

>>734102583
Sinnoh is probably the second most pandered region besides Kanto

>>734098837
They are not bad but they were the first dip in quality that lead to the series becoming absolute dogshit

After doing this for years you'd think the Gen 6 autist would find better tactics besides shaming people for calling a spade a spade.
Yes XY is easy you can't shame me for thinking that.
Yes Kanto got some weird privileges you won't call me a Sinnohfag and shame me about it.
Get better tactics or fuck off. I bet I can defend XY even better than you can.

>>734103409
>Yes I’m dogshit at Pokemon games and think they are hard
>Yes I’m underaged and get jealous over Kanto
??? No one denied that. I don’t see how these facts makes XY a bad game, thoughever.

>>734103409
He is annoying but right , XY was a huge leap forward for the series with 6+ animations per Pokemon and all of them fully modeled, the game is too easy but all Pokemon games are easy if you're not engaging in self-delusional larping about what Pokemon are good

>>734103205
Nothing says "pandering" quite like intentionally shit remakes.

>>734103076
How do you know they were the same playthrough by the same person?

>>734103745
Does it matter? The exp mechanics will be the same regardless of who plays it.

>>734103076
Anon, there's no way you have a level 36 darmanitan without grinding. Darumakka's are only like level 18 in the route outside Elesa's town.

>>734103745
lol he posted both images

he's a shitposter from /vp/ that plays through the older pokemon games while overleving one pokemon. he also has an platinum run at cynthia with an infernape thats like level 70. he does it to say pokemon was always easy blah blah blah xy good

>>734103774
But you see. There's no knowing when the Pokémon were caught or if there was an exp modifier active or something

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Most of gen 8 gigantamaxes are Kanto Pokemon by the way. The irony is that sword and shield is just as shitty as XY. It's a good thing that ZA exists to fix the fucking starters of Kalos not receiving a mega(locked to fucking online pvp) but of course the game is one city because we can't have good things.

Yawnchad’s gifs would be incredibly easy to disprove simply by doing a similar playthrough but no one has done it because unovazoomers know he’s right lol

>>734103843
Pokémon has always been intended as a game where you use multiple party members. So he's technically playing it wrong.

>>734098837
BW1 was the patient zero and XY is mediocre. BW2 fucks however but if you really want a bad pokemon game either it'll be gen 7 for being more cutscenes/dialogues than gameplay or SW/SH and SV for being offensively bad

>>734103819
There's the Level 35 Static Darmanitan but you can't catch them until about 7 badges

>>734098837
They tried something different with black and white
People didn't like it so they figured "why bother?" and have been shoveling garbage into tendies mouths ever since

>>734103967
And yet the mechanics of every pre-gen 6 game discourage you from using multiple Pokemon. It’s almost like they’re more poorly designed games or something.

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I have a hard time determining if most of my issues of Gen 6 come from the game itself or it just so happened to line up with me outgrowing pokemon at that time.
I know that a lot of flaws in XY show up in previous games but they all come smashiing together in XY and in higher proportions. I know that gen 6 also at the very least did do some things right, namely EV/IV ease of use, but almost everything else I remember about them is firmly in the bad memory territory. And the more I remember the more I dislike it. I hate ORAS even more than XY and it's the first pokemon game I didn't finish all of the extra post game stuff for.

Also the fanbase started getting unbearable too. I cannot believe how hard people tried to push SuMo instead of SM.

>>734103964
Because no one is bothered. Except that Snivy guy who did a solorun fighting every trainer. Was level 65 by the end iirc

>>734103964
there's no need to "disprove his gifs" because his argument is retarded and the gifs don't actually strengthen it. if "it's easy to solo the game so that you can beat it by just using one pokemon and grinding it to max level", then "the game letting you do that while also raising 5 other team members to max level at the same time" is empirically proven to be easier.

>>734099031
>Diamond and Pearl are considered the downfall
kill yourself

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>>734103946
Gloria is so adorable

>>734104062
That's the point. You're meant to be under leveled. In most games using a full team makes you around 5-10 levels below. That's why Gen 5 gives you the lucky egg, has Audino and an exp formula that gifts more exp to weaker mons.

>>734104102
clicking A three times against the gym with one overleveled Pokemon is exactly as easy as clicking A three times against the gym with one thousand overleveled Pokemon.

Gen 5 was already rock bottom, there is no “easier”.

>>734104102
Nta but the new games are designed around the exp share, you don’t end up 20+ levels above enemies unless you grind and spam candies or are playing SV and went out of order

>>734104062
I always call pokemon a "sandbox rpg", in that you always decided your own difficulty. Very western sensibilities in that regard. I know it was popular but it deserved a lot of it on its own merit. If you wanted to play a normal jrpg with 4 niggas who walk in a straight line and level up equally there's literally any other game you could play. Pokemons new designers don't even understand what their franchise is about

>>734104242
What if you weren't overleveled?

>>734102003
I know this is the Youtube comment section, but I'm still going to say that totem Kommo-o wasn't that bad. I played a difficulty rom hack specifically made to power up enemies. That part was not a problem.

>>734104296
>Nta but the new games are designed around the exp share
it took at least three gens to get there if its true, i haven't played SV because the two gens before it were so shit.

>>734103946
Sword & Shield is even worse.

>>734104303
Having a bunch of shitty Pokemon is part of creating that difficulty, which a lot of rom hackers seem to miss the point of.

>>734103639
What's the point in defending something if the way you're doing it just makes people hate it more? Yawn is completely responsible for the Gen 6 hatebase on 4chan.

>>734099031
Diamond & Pearl were seen as a comeback for Pokemon after many people quit the franchise in early 2002.

>>734104000
Gen 7 was compelling for the first playthrough, but those cracks really start to show any time you try and go back to it. A similar thing can be said about gen 6, the online and general sense of community from having a worldwide release on an unhackable console made it unique. You can't replicate that anymore, so you're simply stuck with a mediocre story mode.

>>734098837
>Got rid of fantastic sprites for low quality 3D
>Undercooked Region
>Barebones post game

>>734100192
Sun & Moon were good. UtraSun & UltraMoon on the other hand were disappointing.

>>734104829
Sword and shield at least have a post game even if it's a paid one. It's like a competition of which poop smell less

>>734103964
He’s lost all credibility when he was caught using save states trying to prove soloing HGSS with only a Chikorita was easy.

Pokemon Winds & Waves better have set mode back.

>>734105132
I think the games are still shit even with the DLCs. I never bothered finishing them.

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okay now imagine this exact thread every day for seven years. that's /vp/.

>>734103964
It is not a good use of time to play a 25 hour JRPG to try and appease a schizo who won't ever admit he was wrong in the first place.

>>734104894
Rom hackers are usually either 12 and/or autistic, neither of whom understand the tact that vanilla games have. A convincing game freak tier rom hack takes way more effort than slapping a team of 6 L100 mewtwos on the first gym leader

>>734105302
>there have been people arguing with yawnfag for 7 years
>there have been people arguing with ACfag for 14 years

>>734104242
Then how come no one finds XY hard but some find BW hard?

>>734104932
Agreed. If Yawnie didn't exist, I'd probably like XY a lot more.

>>734105527
there's a sucker born every minute

>>734105224
I never even knew they removed that, holy shit. That's just as bad as the always on exp share. Welp, not touching this unless they have those two options back

>>734105480
I think a lack of desire to create a game similar to Pokemon has a lot to do with it, too. Many hacks just want to be Kaizo-tier gauntlets.

>>734105589
and judging by that pattern, a schizo is born every 7 years.

>>734105620
God if only that were true.

>>734099031
DPzoomers hated this one boss

>>734105224
It's annoying because it's just another button to press between kills, but it's not that big a deal. You can just decline each time and play it normally.

>>734105591
Legends ZA removed the option to turn off auto-save. There is no chance other, less significant options, ever return.

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>>734105591
they could start forcing the friendship shit in battle like bdsp does lol

>>734105613
That's funny because it feels like the discourse regarding "if I were in charge" is about how to fix the vanilla games, not how to best make the games harder. I honestly think it comes down to the additional time and effort required to balance everything out and have it make sense, not necessarily preference.

>>734105820
With the nature of how Pokemon are encountered and captured, I feel you have a lot of leeway when it comes to balancing out encounters. It's really as simple as just not giving the player the best Pokemon on route 1, and the "best" Pokemon can usually be found out simply through game theory and without needing much practical testing.
The failings of many rom hacks come from an obsession with "QOL" and trying to force hundreds of Pokemon to be on equal footing.

>>734105620
>a great evil is born when the planets align every 7 years

>>734105302
My schizo theory is that ol' yawnie is a massive cumbrain. Actual vidya threads detract from how many tits & ass pics are in the catalog, so he makes sure those are completely unusable.

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>>734098837
XY was the first time the series was good again, after the slew of games following Gen 2. You will find superfans of the series to be less than rational and sane.

>>734100881
Objectively true

>>734106135
If you're putting it that simply then yes it does sound easy but the details can complicate things. For example, when designing a gym leader, you should ask what kind of pokemon that trainer would use based on how they look, where they live, their personality etc, instead of just cramming anything from that type in. And then based on that, the order of their appearance, the surrounding areas, and how it fits into the flow of the whole adventure. That's something somebody might not consider or think is important but if you play the vanilla games (not sure about the newer ones) you will notice that this is taken into account and informs the overall feel of the games. Why would an autistic rom hacker ever care about this stuff? It's an easier task than most re:balancing and they don't even bother with that so there you go

>>734106990
I was pretty much exclusively thinking of where to find different wild encounters. Making gym teams is just putting some thought into world building.

>>734101954
sex with the umbrella lady

>>734099671
Gen 6 looked like shit. I stopped playing the series after X/Y because I wanted to wait for Gamefreak to get their act together. They might have finally gotten it done with Wind/Waves but let's see.

>>734098837
They are not, they at least had the national dex and weren't filled with excessive tutorials treating the playerbase as complete toddlers. Sun & Moon were where it all went wrong

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>>734107473
Sun and Moon is after the downfall of XY. Gen 6 is such a massive disappointment that really is impressive how people at the time didn't kill themselves of how bad it was, people were so delusional at the time that they thought Z was going to happen to fix Kalos or that the battle frontier was going to be DLC. The end of the National Dex is just a corpse starting to smell bad but it died the gen before.

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>>734098837
>Why are these two rated as the downfall of the series?

The introduction of Fairy Types

>>734099176
This, the games straight up gives you a Lucario that can Mega Evolve and steamroll almost the whole game.

>>734107716
usum is the best game in the series you fag
only hardcore hardgay ultrafags hate usum
you are such a huge faggot

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>>734098837
At least I met my wife there

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>>734098837
Pokemon's downfall began when it moved to Switch. Don't @ me.

>>734099671
The shift to 3D yes
Too Easy yes
Definitely Kanto Pandering too

>>734107954
@youarebased
I needed to tell you how right you are even if you hate me for it.
The Switch was the Pokemon dark age

>>734107125
Pokemon wouldn't be what it without the worldbuilding, and it's not just expressed in literal terms but also embedded into the gameplay. Any given Pokemons learnset by level tells a story, as well as the tm moves they can learn for example

>>734100121
That chest horn looks uncomfortable like it always gets in the way.

>>734107716
>Gen 6 is such a massive disappointment
Not really, it was an improvement over gen 5

>>734108108
>psyduck gets ONE(1) psychic move in its entire level up moveset
>gets lifelong crippling headaches

>>734105378
>It is not a good use of time to play a bad game to try and prove it’s good
true

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>>734100529
Skyla Sexo

>>734099176
>Easy
>Games made for literal children
Your problem is that you never grew up.

>>734108205
Champ can't handle it. Maybe if it was actually a psychic type instead of a wannabe it wouldn't have them.

>>734100550
XY sold less than DP, about the same as RS/SM, and more than BW. All of those are within 2 mil of each other, nowhere near the highs of the original Gameboy or Switch titles.

>>734099031
DP was better than RS which pissed off many. It took FRLG and Emerald to fix RS's fuck up. As Mid as DP was it was much more positively recived than RS, and Platinum was well liked and HGSS is considered the pinnacle of Pokemon by many.

>IT’S EASY!!
>THE GAME PANDERS TO KANTO!!!
oh…so that explains why I like XY so much. I’m not functionally retarded so I never played pokemon games for difficulty, and I’m not a zoomer so I actually like kanto pokemon

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>>734098837
>top tier pokegirls
>refreshing return to 3D after the Coliseum drought
>soundtrack was a banger
>multiplayer elements were fun, could challenge random people around the world whenever you wanted
Am I a dumb enough to call it the best Pokemon game? No, but it was still good.

>>734099031
haha you wish Hoenn/Johtofag

>>734100550
Actually gen 6 has the least amount of mainline game sales out of the entire franchise.

>>734098837
XY is an easy mark due to the transition to 3D for mainline Pokemon. The games themselves aren’t especially bad but the sheer level of nostalgiafaggong and KANTOOOOO pandering was off the charts, it had no postgame of note and every 3D game that followed it has ranged from mediocre to downright bad.

>>734099671
The counter arguments for 3d and after that are complete cope kek

>>734108647
The reaction to RS was a proto woke culture moment combined with the death of a fad, nothing to do with the quality of the game. DP coasted off being the first game on the DS and people getting over Pokemon being uncool while the base version is absolutely inferior to RS if for nothing but the game speed (but there were definitely other things to bitch about)

>>734109134
XY sold more than BW and ORAS sold almost double the amount BW2 did, so that can’t be right.

>>734100529
Man Skyla was so fine before the anime niggerified her
Also you just got lucky her AI never happened to land on a flying move, lol

>>734109164
>it had no postgame of note
I played the postgame for literally 100+ hours

>>734109468
And? Doing what?

>>734109504
Having your 3ds on while white knighting the game on the internet

>>734109504
Sky battles

>>734109504
Playing the Battle Maison. You know, the postgame that exists in the game?

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>>734102775
Chrizard sucks so much I didn't even realize this as a kid, but this fat fuck isn't able to fly, look at those wings. Also another hot take: Mega Charizard Y is better than X. I will always prefer Bulba and Squirtle, especially when I have the option to have Arcanine on my team!!!

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>>734109410
RBY - 46 million
GSC - 30 million
RSE - 23 million
DPP - 25 million
BW/BW2 - 23 million
XY - 16 million
SM/USUM - 25 million
SwSh - 26 million
SV - 24 million

Gen 6 sold the least.
>but it didn't have a second game
Didn't stop the switch games from doing comparable numbers.

>>734109719
Yes, when you exclude half the generation arbitrarily as a massive cope for gen 5 selling like shit, it sold the least. Good thing that isn’t what actually happened.

>>734099889
>picks the 3 worst pokemon for delaying mega evolution
lmaoooooooooooo

>>734109719
but it didn't have a second game
gen 6th is clearly the 6th most popular gen. beating out gens 7, 3, & 5.

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>>734098837
I guess people resent those games because the 4th and 5th generations were the most "dark" and "mature" games until then (and probably so far), and then comes the 6th generation which is the most infantile Disney kids game in the whole franchise. The contrast was way too hard, it didn't help that core pokemon fans were getting even older up to that point
The games themselves are good just really very infantile

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>>734098837
They were the downfall because they started everything that's wrong with the series to this day.
>Ugly visuals and bad framerate
>Over reliance on a story that isn't good and has too many interruptions that all last too long killing the pace
>The beginning of Pokemon designs being truly bad
>Difficulty is now nonexistent in a franchise of games that already weren't very hard thanks to party wide EXP shares getting forced onto you from the start(At least you can turn it off in X and Y, they stopped letting you in the Switch games)
>The music is bad and never recovered
>The world design is bland, feels unfinished and progressively gets worse from here on out
That's about it really. You can trace everything that people complain about with Pokemon today back to these games. At least they had the full roster of Pokemon, that's a newer problem.

>>734109719
Emerald bros? :/
I can see why SwSh is so high, me and my ""friend group"" were so excited for the first ""real"" switch Pokemon Game. The Game sucked, but we played it to death.

>>734107902
only genuine pedophiles like usum

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>>734109941
>Ugly visuals and bad framerate
gen 5 has worse visuals and gen 4 has worse framerate
>Over reliance on a story that isn't good and has too many interruptions that all last too long killing the pace
gen 5 started this and has a far more intrusive story than gen 6
>The beginning of Pokemon designs being truly bad
gen 4 started this, and gen 5 has worse designs than gen 6
>Difficulty is now nonexistent
gen 1 started this
>The music is bad
gen 5 started this
>The world design is bland, feels unfinished
gen 5 started this and has worse world design than gen 6

>>734110264
you're fucking nuts dude lol

>>734099671
I'll fall for the bait
But one thing is the game following a design structure, and another is literally throwing you a second starter.

>>734108785
What do you play Pokemon for?

>>734098837
I think this was the last Pokemon I fully completed. This had roller blades and full non 4 directional movement? I can't remember a single thing about the game or its OST though which isn't good for a Pokemon game.

I played Sun and gave up on the game shortly after beating Acerola. I bought a Pokemon on Switch with the open world area where you could walk up to Pokemon and I quit when I couldn't even catch the Pokemon I wanted because I didn't have enough badges. I completely gave up on Pokemon after that. I still hear and memorize the OST's of Pokemon up to Gen 3, very strong sound tracks. I never beat Diamond either, I used an Action Replay to walk through walls and skip a bunch of stuff.

>>734110393
Battling other people?
Exploration?
Collecting?
Interacting with my Pokemon?

Do you unironically play Pokemon for the single player difficulty? Holy fuck you are a retard.

>>734109931
>most dark and mature
That is pokemon red and blue in regards to what kind of world that was. Making Pokemon overly wholesome started in gsc already and in rse it was already "clean" if you were to ascribe broadcasting standards to it. I guess bw did an okay job injecting N and his ideals, but the rest of the world was already disneyfied. Only that it still respected the person playing the game whereas with XY it spat on you

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>>734110576
>Interacting with my Pokemon?
Yup. Pokemon Amie is one of the best features ever. I love high fiving my Pokemon.

>>734110263
only genuine faggots dislike it

>>734109937
I gind it amusing that Lets Go is by far one of the better switch games. Sure it was underwhelming at first, but you can't deny it's the one that shits the bed the least compared to SwSh and it's 64 trees, SV and it's s06 tier release, or legends and it's whack ass world.

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I think the most annoying part of XY was the long trek between Gyms 1 and 2, thinking it was going to be an epic adventure, and then it just kinda bumrushes your ass with back to back to back gyms.
2nd most annoying part was only Serena(?) and Diantha using the signature gimmick, but that's more on Gamefreak going full Kantooooooooo and refusing to give any Kalos pokemon megas.
>yfw the Kalos starters didn't get megas until last fucking year
>But charizard and mewtwo got 2 each
Like fuck I get it the og 151 are the most important but damn

>>734098837
X and Y will forever be special to me as the last Pokemon games I played with IRL friends. That is how these games were always meant to be played. GSC (elementary school) and XY (college) were the two best generations for me because of friends.

>>734110812
>yfw the Kalos starters didn't get megas until last fucking year
This one is pretty bad yeah.

>>734110768
>20th remake of the same fucking game
Bravo game freak but what happened with the new original games you tried to make though you guys really dropped the ball unlike KANTOOoOOoOOoO (again) (that'll be $19.99 per month financed plus tax plus tip plus treat)

im surprised how much online features it had that i never used, sad its gone. i'll always miss wonder trading a bidoof for a legendary

>>734110576
You don't care for the single player campaign yet have melties whenever XY's is criticized, why is that?

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>>734098837
XY as a single player game is pretty meh, it has plenty of issues like the lack of identity and feeling pretty uninspired and a step back in terms of scope despite the revamped graphics.
But as a multiplayer game, it probably had the best online game of them all. Hell, were pokemon a different franchise, i could perfectly see this one becoming a cult classic that people don't move on from for the online battles.

>>734099671
Bodied those freaks

>>734099031
>Diamond and Pearl are considered the downfall.
bait harder, you worthless fucking alolatroon

Why does this guy ignore B2W2 when making his fallacious comparisons?
Yea dude most people think BW1 were mediocre on launch but their reputation got repaired in post after people played the sequels and had retrospective on the foundation it was laying.

>>734111207
It was definitely the best PVP experience for a while if you weren't into Showdown. The EV minigames were a massive quality of life improvement for people who wanted to quickly train new mons for competitive play.

>i-it's easy!!
Lets see those tournament placements then.

>>734099671
I stopped reading once he started saying paragraphs. One sentence only.

Real talk: Which was worse? The Kanto pandering or the Lucario dicksucking?

>>734098837
the move to 3D starting with this game was probably a mistake, the games have looked like complete garbage since

>>734109719
BW2 roms got leaked so fucking early. Everyone had long finished the game where I lived before it even got released lmao.

>>734111569
The latter obviously.

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>>734099031
lmfao

>>734111569
Well xy had both so who cares

>>734111569
>Kanto pandering
that's every fucking gen

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Gen 6.. ZOVL

>>734111709
Platinum is the best game there and sold the worst.
I don't hate people enough.

>>734098837
>What did they start?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hekerFgs9GI
Half-assing

>>734111890
Where do i catch Glameow in Platinum?

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ORAS were the last good pokemon games.

>>734111890
When do third games ever compete in sales with the generation starters?

>>734111569
Kanto, obviously
>first encounter set to always be Pidgey
>identical forest layout
>second starters
>Snorlax waking flute
that's what I've seen in my own revisit so far (right before gym 3 before getting sidetracked by college)
I'm expecting it to get worse

What makes XY detractors hate Gen 1? Jealousy?

>>734111981
Anything good in them came from the GBA games, and they still managed to fuck that up.

>>734112491
Probably because of how obnoxious genwunners were during that time. You had to be there.

>>734098837
When people say XY had no postgame, it's collectively true; most people want post games like platinum or b2w2. They want high level dungeons and npcs to battle, a mini campaign to embark on once their name is stamped onto the hall of fame, maybe a battle facility too. They want a victory lap of sorts. It's why the pwt is so popular despite being kinda meh mechanically. It's a big celebration of the pokemon franchise to that point, the Ultimate victory lap. No one give a fuck about retarded pokemon amie mini games and fucking horde battles lol

>>734112753
So in other words XY has a postgame.

Actually, i think you'll find I personally had fun with them. Thus, anyone who disagrees is wrong and also a prancing lala homo man. My theory is that they're all braindamaged from oxygen deprivation, given they spend so much time choking on dicks.
L retards.

>>734112796
Nope!

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Uh oh

Is yawnie thw same guy who calls everyone Eric? Cause they really feel like the same guy

>>734112870
>ENJOY YOUR 8.8

>>734112903
YawnBVLL is many things. Some say he is a God even.

>>734112870
That's nice...
Now post the user scores.