>>734116048
This is fine tbw the Japanese writing in FSN and his status page have not been contradicted

>>734116048
Also instant kill and 必殺 are not the same thing
Ussop says 必殺 every time he slingshots someone

this is from a series that later has "Ignore Invincible"

GAY BULGE

>>734116543
Also super invincible that ignore ignore invincible. Also super ignore invincible that ignore super invincible (summer shiki). Fuck gacha powercreep.

>>734116048
Is his shit just VATS with a very low hit chance as governed by the Luck stat

Friendly reminder that blueman does fuck all and gay bulge literally never works

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>>734116048
Nasu's idea of making a character seem powerful is making an enemy that has a sure-kill attack, introducing him in the first chapter and have your strong female heroine dodge his attack. It was simply a more fluff presentation of unstoppable force versus unmovable obstacle.

>zoomers losing their mind over 'hero overcomes stacked odds', one of the most basic bitch conventions in writing a story
hahaha zoomers

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>It provides the three effects of resurrection, attack-nullification, and the ability of "immunity against an attack he has experienced previously."
>God Hand has the ability to make Berserker's body immune against an attack after it has been damaged once by the said attack.
>Nasu: You don't have to die. For example... if you were to take fire damage, once you recover you would gain +100 resistance to fire.


>P-P-P-PROTAGONIST-SAMA'S SWORD??? NOOOO GET AWAY FROM ME, GET AWAY FROM ME I JUST *CANNOT* TANK AN ATTACK OF THIS MAGNITUDE!!! AAAAAAHHHH I'M SORRY I TRIED TO ATTACK YOU JUST PLEASE, PLEASE DONT HIT ME WITH YOUR SWORDDDDAAIIIIIEEEEEEE AIIIIIIEEEE IT HUUUUURTS!!! I AM BREAKING DOWN ON A QUANTUM LEVEL AIIIIEEE HOLY SHIT I DIED AGAIN! AND AGAIN! ILLYA-DONO I DON'T FEEL SO GOOD..... WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TRIED TO FIGHT THE PROTAGONIST... I DIED AGAIN. OH GOD IT KEEPS HAPPENING! IT KEEPS HAPPENING!!! IT'S SO PAINFUL.... AIIEEEEE----

I've only gone through fsn once and thought that was enough for me

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>Instinct (直感, Chokkan?) is the ability to instantly identify “the best personal course of action” during combat. [...] this Skill allows for the prediction of trajectory [...] At Rank A, it is essentially in the realm of predicting the future.

>AIIIIIEEEE NOT THE WOBBLY PUNCHES, ANYTHING BUT THE WOBBLY PUNCHES!!! AAAAHHHHH I CAN'T SEE THEM COMING THEY'RE SO CONFUSING AAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEE SHITROU-SAMA SAVE MEEEEE!!!!! AIIIIIEE AIIIIIIEEEEE *chokes* GRRRRGGGLLLLL... Japanese highschool teacher-sama I am gomenasai... GGGRRRGGGLLLL... yamete.... yamete kudasai.... S-Shitrou.... *croaks*

>saber survives a sure-hit attack that targets the heart
>somehow loses to a middle-aged teacher with wobbly punches

>>734117429
What's the name for the work in the pic?

>>734117691
This shit was so fucking dumb.

>>734117620
>>734117429
>>734117419
You never read the VN, in fate route Saber spends basically the whole story being crippled by the attack, it still hit her just missed her vital organs or whatever, she's super nerfed throughout.

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>A japanese high-schooler? AND SHE LEARNED MARTIAL ARTS???

>NOOOO NONONONONONO GET AWAY FROM ME GET AWAY FROM MEEEEEEEAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEE IT HURTS! IT HUUUURTS!! WHY ARE YOU SO STRONG!!

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>>734117847
I did read the VN but that was like 15 years ago for me, Anon.
What you just described does not counter my argument, though. It's just a different plot device.
>you see, Saber is really fucking powerful, enough to dodge even sure fate caused by causality reversion
>but now she is wounded so you can't just win the war outright

>>734117763
Can't remember the title, but the character is Takumi Mukai and the artist is Sian.

>>734117981
much appreciated

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>It's over Shitrou. I have the high ground. For I too, have the powers of plot armor. I already easily oneshot Bahsaka with my bare hands. You're not gonna asspull your way out of this loss.

>What-- What the FUCK is this? WHY DO YOU HAVE AN UNAVOIDABLE TSUBAME GAESHI RIPOFF SUDDENLY NOOOOOO WHY CAN'T I AVOID IT? INSTINCT?? LUCK??? NOOOOOO WHY IS THE PLOT ARMOR NOT WORKING SUDDENLY!! TASUKETE SAKURA-SAMA!!!!! I'M SUPPOSED TO BE STRONGER AIIIEEEEEEE----
>...Ah.... I see now... The plot armor... It left me because I became an antagonist... I'm... such a fool... Omedetou Shitrou-sama... You are the #1.

>>734116298
Really? Using Ussop as your example?

>>734116048
>Take my ultimate move: RNG SPEAR!

F/SN is the only game where LCK is a totally busted stat
>bad luck means your guaranteed one-shot kill can whiff
>high luck means you can make that dude's guaranteed one-shot kill will whiff

>>734116298
Lancer is Usopp of Fate universe, kek

>>734117334
>all this shitty powercreep, meanwhile a sickly Japanese teenager with special eyes can one shot every Servant with a butter knife lmao

>>734117547
Berserker is such a basic bitch, that even with nine lives, he dies in a single fucking hit kek

>>734117695
Hey, Kirei is a Chad, while Kerry is a virgin bitch. Couldn't even get Kirei with his super special bullet made from his cuckold rib. Saber had "Virgin Bitch" status amplified, since she was one too - that one time she fucked her sister under mind control and with a magic girldick doesn't count, she still didn't have her virgin hole pierced by Shirou's sword.

>>734117962
Man, look how Nasu massacred Fate. I wonder how does Tsukihime fit into all of this, since apparently they take place in the same world.

>>734117695
Wobbly punches were enchanted with some +2 or +3 shit enough to damage Seiba. If it was regular wobbly punches, it wouldn't do jackshit when he tried on it with the redman after Medea's death.

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>>734119871
I can't feel too bad about it. Fate was never high art, it was always about a chuuni funny setting with lots of potential because of its premise. It was basically always fated to be alt universe/timeline slop.
Every single one of those spinoffs has some form of appeal. Like, I really dig Fate/Extra, the scenarios and settings and jazz music soundtrack really made it stand out. Fate/Zero was also fun to watch, like the silly battle where Berserker took control of a fighter plane to chase after Gilgamesh flying throne. Even Prisma Illya, a series that everyone sells short because "it's just pedobait" has its moments. Illya had no right to get the best version of the Emiya song, or just being overall cool at the same time she is cute and funny.

It was always about putting cool characters into cool scenarios, trying to take things seriously was never a thing. The original Fate/Stay Night set down rules and immediately broke them in the very first chapter.

>>734119871
Fate concepts of heroic spirits can't exist in Turkeyhandle world as I recall. Something to do with humanity being weaker or some shit concept that Nasu asspulled.

>>734117547
Why did this work, but Gil couldn't kill Herc in FSF?

>>734121840
Arthurwank
Caliburn is a C-rank noble phantasm btw

I always felt like this series just makes shit up all the time on the spot for plot convenience.

>>734121840
Unironically shit writing, God Hand does not lend itself well to any storytelling

>>734117847
Not really, she says that the attack hurt her a couple of days later but saying she was crippled by it is dumb.
The only thing that really crippled her was having Shirou as a master and in Fate her torso being torn apart by Berserker was much worse than the stab. In other routes it hardly even annoys her.

>>734121840
Alcides can dodge and has a bow to shoot back

>>734121840
>why did it work against the weakest version of Heracles
Really nigga

>>734120141
Specifically, DAA and servants are exclusive because the former makes human history too weak for servants to be summoned. Some like Roa and Nrvnsqr exist in Fate timeline but the former is just a DA and the latter is an autistic mage living in his own pocket dimension.
Though SF has both because it has been ongoing since before this retcon so Nasu just went "don't worry about it lmao".

>>734117691
UHM HE WAS PERSONALLY TRAINED BY BATMAN AND GOT SOME RANDOM GENERIC MAGIC ENHANCEMENT THAT MADE HIM PHYSICALLY STRONGER THAN THE STRONGEST SERVANTS OK?!?

>>734118974
naw, that guaranteed one shot kill also fails if you have defensive magic strong enough

>>734117847
Wasn't that Zero and not F/SN

>>734119871
No no, Tsuki and Fate were always split until FGO and Carnival Phantasm. Fate takes place in the Garden of Sinners timeline while Tsukihime is another branch. There is some weirdness involving how different Witch on the Holy Night plays out for each side though.

>>734119871
fate was never good
Nasu was always a hack

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Man being a teenager in the 2000s with Fate was a magical time, it just had this air of mystery and magic to it, it was so fun to learn about

>>734127216
the translation situation only added to the mystique

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>>734124762
Nasu and Type-Moon have always worked under rule of cool first and foremost. If you propose something to them they like they'll make it fit in universe. Honestly it's probably their best quality

>>734127453
>>734127216
It really was autism catnip to me in 2010 or whatever

>>734117547
The funny thing is Caliburn is a B rank NP that even if it conditionally can go to A would have been downranked, it can never go above a rank and never should have worked against god hand but Herc is shit and a massive jobber so w/e

>>734121840
>Gil
The King of Jobbers
>Herc
The God of Jobbers

>>734116048
never heard about saving throws?

>>734127986
iirc the bullshit excuse is that Caliburn the sword that should never meet it's user again did and that was a miracle that upped it

>>734125770
the guy couldn't even kill himself with his cursed insta death spear lmao

>>734119505
If your eyes had depth perception you'd be able to kill servants too. It's a really broken power bro.

>>734117390
I thought it was Saber's high instinct stat letting her move to avoid something before it happens

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>new power introduced
>it does an extremely specific thing
>an event comes up right away where it needs to do that extremely specific thing
>it doesn't work
every fucking time.
Was there ever any point in Fate where a power actually does what it says it does and isn't subverted?

If there was a servant who's only ability was "can not be harmed by bowls of soup" he would somehow die to a normal bowl of soup in these retarded stories

>>734128293
You can't avoid gae bolg because it affects casuality to always pierce your heart.

>>734128293
Dodging doesn't really matter since its a casuality effect meaning once he uses its already too late it'll happen no matter what or how unlikely. Once it's invoked tits already happened
as long as you're in range anyhow as that and not allowing him to use it are the only surefire defense against it. Of course since it's so OP it never works

>>734123763
>The only thing that really crippled her was having Shirou as a master
specifically Shirou didnt understand mana transfer until much later so Saber was running on 0 MP for most of it

>>734116048
>only way to Cu can get rid of his jobber curse is by switching to a different class that he hates.
>When he does he sweeps the grail war
Pottery

>>734121840
He will kill him in the next volume of the LN, Narita said he wants everything to happen at the end.

>>734129204
>When he does he sweeps the grail war
when did that happen?

>>734116048
Its at this moment all tension of the whole 30+ hours VN was gone in an instant, this is the kind of narrative bullshit you hold for the last final battle, not the 1st one after the prologue.

I still very much enjoyed Fate, but holy shit, the whole series is infested with the worst case of
>its like X and nothing can change that, EVER!
>oh ho, but what about....Y!
>B-b-b-banana!? This is the first time such a thing happened, the impossible has become possible?!?!?!?!

>>734116048
but that's not what happened?

>>734116048
uh yea! s-sure....

>>734130656
Sounds awful, I'm sorry you endured that anon.

>>734130656
>30 hours to reach the first conflict in the VN
I knew zoomers were bad at reading, but I never expected this

>>734131252
It was still a lot of fun, but any time they tried to bring a new threat as being "insurmountably strong" i just could not take shit seriously.

>>734131368
Maybe i didnt make myself clear enough, the 30+ hours im referring to is all the tension throughout the rest of the 3 routes, not just what happened previously at the prologue, as who the fuck will be worried or care about anything after the MC's partner just dodged the undodgeable attack with "luck" and "instinct"? But i do say i am a slow reader, specially with VNs, as i like to enjoy slowly savor the dialogue and i like repeating voice audios i find it amusing as well (i repeated the rin/lancer/shirou alliance scene at least 5 times when i was reading it).

>>734131845
On the contrary, right at the start of the game you have Shirou and Saber avoiding getting killed by Lancer and it serving as a starting point to explain the rules of the world and the capital C Concepts they work under, and then 30 hours later you get the reveal that Shirou survived at the start because of Saber's sheath being inside of him.

>>734128391
Hercules actually had 9 lives, but he was a bitch and kept losing them in one shot. Poor Illya.

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>>734116048
>>734117547
>>734117691
>>734117901
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>>734118071
>Words words words
Sorry but FSN is one of THE most KINO pieces of fiction ever. And hyperfocusing on niggerbabble does you no favors kikefaggot.

>>734116048
The times Lancer an hero'ed himself weren't because he jobbed to the opponent, but because command seals forced him to off himself.

>>734128391
He'd die to a bowl of miso, because his power is to "not die against a bowl of soup" not "not die against a bowl of miso".

>>734121840
What's the point of having multiple lives if an attack can kill you multiple times before you've revived once?

>>734132012
I just took Shirou surviving Lancer as Rin acting fast+Cu not really putting 100% into the kill (he is not going to pull the gay bulge onto some normal kid) but the Sheath twist was a good one i will admit (in regards more to how he summoned her accidentally).

>>734129204
Isn't Lancer a cursed class in itself? Even in Fate/Zero, Lancer is ordered to le suicide which he promptly does and his broken bitch Master, along with Hot Wheels, gets Kerryd.

>>734130656
I loved it because I was always trying to guess what kind of bullshit excuse is Nasu going to pull on me. I never got it exactly right when reading the first time, because I made a mistake in trying to come up with reasons that would make sense. Nasu outsmarted me as he made up bullshit as he went, without any regard to what was initially stated. It's almost Red Text level of retarded in Umineko, where at some point you arrive to "Things in red are always true, it's just that you didn't understand them the right way".

>>734128391
Tsubame Gaeshi worked. Blood Fort or whatever it was called worked. Medusa's eyes worked. How about you just reread the VN if your memory is so shit you can't remember basic stuff you've read mere 15 years ago?

>>734116048
IIRC she didn’t fully dodge it and still got injured though? Her high luck stat and high precognition let her dampen the damage. Archer survived the attack too but albeit after getting really fucked up by it.

>>734132376
Zero is just fan fiction from a guy completely unrelated to Type-Moon.
The real reason for Lancer to be in such a predicament in FSN is that Nasu, even being a dumb teenager, seemed to realize that you can't write an engaging story with a straight Battle Royal premise. That's why we basically have no Assassin nor Lancer, and in two routes out of three the main threat is the servant that wasn't even summoned to fight in the Fifth War.

>>734132620
Oh that is an interesting viewpoint and i agree, there is some element of that in the enjoyment of FSN, though im not much of a guesser and i just wondered what magic trick he was going to pull out of his ass next rather than to take a prediction. Nasu really is a great bullshit writer.

>>734132639
Yup, yup, Avalon worked as well, which is how Saber was able to survive an unsurvivable black hole sword. That reminds me, Gil is even a bigger jobber than Lancer. One route he gets raped by a girl in a dress (Fate), a human teenager that was a shit magus but somehow capable of almost True Magic-level Reality Marble that is EXACT counter to Gil's swordslop attack (UBW) and in Heaven's Feel, he gets effortlessly absorbed by the Grail.

>>734133093
Yeah. Imagine how much more we'd get of his shitty excuses if not for the success of FGO. It made him lazy, I guess understandably so. Now, he no longer has to put in actual effort and no longer inserts, what can only be described as "a complete virgin lord writes a romantic sex scene" because by God, they're one of the best parts in both F/SN and Tsukihime. Shit's so... intensely funny.

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You see, when stabbed by this knife, it breaks your contract with your servant.
That's why it is used only twice throughout the entire VN

>>734134197
She's a squishy wizard, she can't just run up at any other Servant with a knife out.

>>734134197
Nah it wouldn't work on me I'm built different.

>>734119505
Nope, everyone is stronger. Any servant that is pragmatic would kill him by sneezing at him before he managed to do anything. So basiclly and shit tier assassin is stronger than Shiki. The only reason Shiki manages to kill stronger beings in tsukihime is because they were retarded and becasue Nasu was a complete tard when he wrote it. NRVSQR had no business of ever being defeated by Shiki. I heard that Nasu changed that in the Remake which is a good change no doubt.
This is the same reason that Gilgamesh loses in F;SN. If he wasn't retarded, Gilgamesh would just fly and uzip his entire arsenal and kill any Servant with their own weapons or with weapons that killed them, but then we wouldn't have the fun twists and turns in the story.

>>734119871
Tsukihime and Fate worlds are different. While they both share the same fundamentals in magic and so it is the world rules themselves that are different. In Tsukihime the World is much stronger as an entity, as such Heroic Spirits can't manifest but you have more naturally ocurred mysteries fucking around like Vampires. The contrary is true for Fate: Humanity is much stronger so Heroic Spirits can manifest as familiars, the world itself will employ them as hitmen if shit goes wrong but people can't become Vampires and other super powerful similar beings can't exist, the mysteries are dying.

>>734116048
Technically what happened was she resisted the instant death effect. The attack is unavoidable because it breaks causality to always hit. What isn't unavoidable is instant death.

>>734129929
He was a Caster in the Fuyuki intro for FGO and he defeated almost all the other servants present before (you) even show up.

>>734128391
No arrow was able to land in Lancer who was buffed by "Protection from arrows". They had to kill him with hax in Heaven's Feel. Note he doesn't return as a black servant because he's actually too broken to keep around as a magically buffed cynical warrior that doesn't hold back anymore. Heracles was just a beast and Saber was actually conscious all the time and was holding back a bit.

>>734132376
Karna AND Vlad were strong as fuck in Apocrypha and Brynhildr is strong as fuck in Fragments.

>>734123063
>Unironically shit writing
No? It's very clearly stated that Berserker Hercules lost his martial skills, his sanity, his cunning, and most of his noble phantasms
Back in the pre-power creep, pre-FGO days, being a Berserker was a big deal because you genuinely went insane and lost most of your talent and skills. That's why Lancelot was supposed to be such a big deal in Zero. Because he kept his skills even though he was insane. Berserker Hercules unfortunately doesn't keep his skills.
Now Strange Fake Hercules loses Godhand and his Madness Enhancement buffs that his Berserker self has. But he gains his mind, all of his skills, and a plethora of noble phantasms that he can use.

>>734134197
That shit doesn't look practical. That's why it wasn't used more often. That and Caster was a bitch, she'd rather read stupid shit in her eromanga book (no it's not a grimoire) out loud than use an attack that would rape most Servants.

>>734119871
If you played Demon's Souls(PS3), it's easy to explain.
Tsukihime in set in the Dark World tendency, so very strong Vampires can spawn(black phantoms). Howerver in Tsukihime you also can't summon Servants(white phantoms).
Fate is set in the Light World Tendency so very strong Vampires can't spawn and you can summon Servants.
It's not 1 to 1 but I think it's easy enough go understand.
These rules are broken in Fate; Strange Fake and FGO spin offs which are set in their own fucked up timeline.
In other fate spin-offs these rules still apply.

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>>734133014
>seemed to realize that you can't write an engaging story with a straight Battle Royal premise
*Blocks your path*
btw there's a storytime about it on /a/ right now

>>734135531
>Note he doesn't return as a black servant
He dies to Assassin's NP before the mud can convert him.

>>734135810
Correct, they have to kill him with an ironic unavoidable sure fire heart destroying attack or they would have an infinite way to do it with no bullshit attached because Assasin is weak as fuck otherwise and Cu only lost because the mud had already got him anyways. There was no need to kill him but they still did.

>>734135901
Medusa with Sakura as her master could've beat him if she had Shirou and Rin (with the Jeweled sword) backing her up. That's basically 3 servants vs 1.
Shirou with projections can fight side by side with Medusa to hold off Cu in melee combat while Rin spams her sword beams at range with her infinite mana from the Second True Magic.
The only thing you'd have to change in the story would be how many projections Shirou could do before dying. Shirou could only do a handful before his mind and body deteriorated in the original story. But to make the fight work like I just described, Shirou would need 10-20 projections.

>>734135578
Karna is the definition of cursed, he's always either underpowered or do dumb shit out of honor. Also Fate writers love jobbing out Vasavi to wank other NPs or tankiness.
Base Vlad is a hometown merchant. Vampire Vlad is pretty bullshit but has a plethora of weaknesses.

>>734134901
>The only reason Shiki manages to kill stronger beings in Tsukihime is because they were retarded

To be honest, it's precisely like this in F/SN as well. Gilgamesh is the strongest Servant who's the origin of all the legendary weapons in the World. Yet, he's also lazy as fuck and retarded. He enjoys watching the Grail War unfold and then steps in
>Heey there maggots, your KING is here... Is that a Japanese teenager? He wants to fight me? How silly, I- Nani? A Reality Marble full of swords? They're fakes, so I'll-- NANI? THERE'S NO RULE A FAKE CAN'T BE STRONGER THAN THE REAL THING? AAAAAAAIIIIEEEEEE--

>>734133014
>you can't write an engaging story with a straight Battle Royal premise
Like this subversive bullshit is any better. Writers that can't stick to the premise of their story/setting are retarded hacks.

>>734116048
it's not her luck stat though, it's her rank of the instinct skill
a character with A+ luck but lacking instinct would still be killed by it

>>734135182
Okay, then where does Kara no Kyoukai fit in? Shiki, who's now a girl, has the same power as MAN Shiki - Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. There's a mention of all stuff present in Fate, like Origin or Counter Force (which Redman is part of). There's also marijuana on steroids, but we don't talk about "that part". There's magus shit as well like the "magical girl" episode in the movies. I must say it's been a long time since I watched the movies last time, but I feel it had all the concepts present in Fate, yet also borrowed heavily from Tsukihime.

>>734117547
simply kill all nine lives worth of health in one hit, then he gets no resistance to the attack obviously
excalibur is pretty good and is one hit

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If you liked Fate's fights you should read Dies Irae. It has the same sort of bullshit but the instant kill spear guy is the final boss instead of a side jobber.

>>734135182
Doesn't Fate/Zero establish that becoming a Vampire is an actual possibility? Kerry's father, a magus, was mixing some nasty cocktails while working on longevity. So, sounds like the story of Zelretch. But, Kerry's local brown girl crush drank one of those and turned into a mindless vampire.
Also, Zelretch - it's stated he's related to the Tohsaka family, which is why he left them the schematics of the mana blade (used in Heaven's Feel). But we also learn he was personally present at Arcueid's birth. So, it's obvious these worlds were supposed to be more than connected in the beginning.

>>734137238
>read
no thanks i just watched the anime
it is cool but far more convoluted than fate is, half of it doesn't make sense, but it's got good aesthetics and fights

>>734137238
Dies Irae is fate done right, it makes everything Nasu has written look worse than ChatGPT slop.

>>734137017
Kara no Kyokai predates Tsukihime, you moron.

>>734137615
The anime adapts the third route, with some stuff from the fourth route thrown in. That's probably why it doesn't make sense to you.

>>734118071
>I already easily oneshot Bahsaka with my bare hands. You're not gonna asspull your way out of this loss
Correct. However Saber Alter is very clearly going easy on him. She tells him not to advance. And when Shirou does, she never moves from her spot. She also never use an Excalibur blast.
>WHY DO YOU HAVE AN UNAVOIDABLE TSUBAME GAESHI RIPOFF
No? Archer's arm was flooding Shirou's mind with techniques that Archer learned. Triple Crane Wing is a technique that Archer used and it's NOT at all like Tsubame Gaeshi
Triple Crane Wing is basically the ability to telepathically recall a thrown weapon back. Shirou uses it to create a flanking maneuver against Saber by throwing two daggers at Saber. While the daggers are behind Saber, Shirou projects two more and then enters melee combat with Saber. The moment Shirou enters melee combat, he recalls the thrown daggers, leaving Saber in a situation where she's being attacked from the front and the back simultaneously.
Tsubame Gaeshi is outright three simultaneous slashes from OTHER DIMENSIONS. You cannot compare a clever flanking technique to someone opening portals to another dimensions for their attacks.

>>734136226
Ez, just let Shirou use his Anti-Faggot Marble and he'd rape Cu before he can do anything, because in a Reality Marble NPs don't work the same way they do in the real world, if at all. His gay bulge likely wouldn't work or be easily parried by Shirou, since causality rewriting effect wouldn't (most likely) work in a world of Shirou's making where he sets the rules.
Bam, gay bulge owner ded in less than a minute.

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>>734137679
The final fights in Dies Irae don't even make any sense. I remember the final 3 way fight between Ren, Mercurius, and Reinhardt unironically went like this.
Ren: My power is to stop time itself and my weapon can cut through anything
Reinhardt: My speed is your speed +1, my spear cannot be dodged and will always hit you, and my fists will shatter your soul upon impact
Mercurius: I control the totality of reality itself ????? I can compress all of reality into my palm and destroy the cosmos with a wave of my hand. See pic related. I'm not exaggerating.

And these three are all clashing multiple times, and yet no one is getting harmed. The fight didn't even make sense on a conceptual level.

The story is also bad. Way too much filler.

The long-winded purple prose and unmemorable cast doesn't help either.

>>734137732
I didn't ask which one was the earliest, I asked how does it fit into Fate or Tsukihime as it obviously has all the elements of the first and some of the second. It's not an obviously completely different world, with different rules and settings.

>>734137121
Imagine getting owned so hard you die 9 times in a single hit. He died even if he was killed, Shirou was wrong this time.

>>734137323
Fate worlds still has vampires/dead apostles but no ancestors. Kerry's backstory with his father and the bee guy he shot down with the plane are all those.
Some DAAs in Tsukihime are also dead apostles in Fate like Roa (got his soul burnt for good in the 19th century) and Zepia (aka Wara)

>>734138445
>The final fights in Dies Irae don't even make any sense
You have to literally be retarded to have any difficulty understanding anything in DI.

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>>734139073
Ren: I LITERALLY stopped time. My opponents are still moving though. I hit you with my guillotine that cuts through anything and you blocked it
Reinhardt: I am +1 your speed but we're still equally matched in speed. My spear rewrites reality to hit you and when it does you instantly die. You're still blocking and dodge it though. My fists will destroy your soul on impact but you're still tanking it.
Mercurius: I am the alpha and the omega. I literally created the universe and I am the totality of all power throughout the multiverse. I could wipe you out of existence with but a wave of my hand. But you're still tanking my attacks with ease as we shake the very universe every time we clash

Does this shit make any sense to you?

>>734137323
I simplified it but you have to see it like this: There's a pre-FGO/Remake canon and a New Canon more cohesive world canon. What I said applies mostly to the new canon. Fate/Strange Fake is deliberately a mess for its own narrative purposes and has both Dead Apostles and Servants but in truth in the new canon Fate worlds the ability to ascend into a super powerful badass 100% non feral vampire is naturally capped by the world itself. The ghouls you saw in Fate/Zero are Vampires as per the definition of the early stages or rather ranks that they introduced later: Ghouls that will keep spreading the vampiric sickness, that's why they had to kill the whole settlement but they wouldn't become proper autonomous Vampires like you see them in Tsukihime worlds.

It is a fact taht Zelretch is a Dead Apostle is Tsukihime Worlds but in Fate ones he's just a super old magus since he has access to true magic in both it means they are individual entities and not just different timelines (apparently being a vampire is a soul thing so just moving between worlds wouldn't get rid of his vampire nature).

Originally the works were arranged like this:
-KnK: Nasu's early teenage books, raw material.
-Tsukihime: A more polished and elaborated work that shares concepts with KnK. Different continuities.
-Fate: An opposite to Tsukihime rules while sharing the same fundamentals but everyone involved is massively weaker (Ciel is like 100 times stronger than Kirei being an elite of the burial agency)

Both worlds share fundamentals and large scale concepts but the inherent rules eventually were made to drift and most crossovers between works is pure peak fanservice because breaking the world rules is cool (see Fate/Extra and the Tsukihime related Characters that could've solved the plot by blinking)

>>734138445
It's as if I was reading Prime Nasuludokino, but he was high that one time and bullshitted his way into space.

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>Nasu introduces very early that mages are submersive and untrustworthy, not a class of honour-bound people to act within the rules
>Nasu gives multiple examples in the prologue alone of how exceptions to the standard are a thing, because nothing in the system being introduced is concrete
>it is made clear to the reader that any rules stated or systems in place are up to interpretation
>despite this, we've had 20 straight years of "lol Archer using swords", "lol Gae bolg dodged" and other such bullshit

>>734117691
Kuzuki-sensei is so cool, I love him...

>Waaaa they break the rules!!!
the rules were lies you dumbfuck. characters saying that shit are just fucking wrong or intentionally misleading. i can't fucking take it with people spouting this shit. they go out there and use kotomine as a credible source and then get surprised when it turns out he was lying behind his teeth

>>734140451
When has Kirei ever lied?

>>734137238
I've watched a few episodes of the anime, and every character was extremely off-putting and the main hero was literal nothing, just like in the absolute majority of the VNs I've played. Shirou isn't fucking nothing, Shirou is the coolest guy that I've ever seen in fiction, together with Edmond Dantes. I wish I could be just a tiniest bit as cool and right and supreme as those two.

>>734140529
He said he knew nothing about a Servant from the previous war.

>>734140529
I like Kirei. He's a good guy, he never lies like the rest. Likes to princess carry. He'd be a happy man if he had ample amounts of mapo tofu, yet faggots like Kerry keep starting shit.

>>734140582
Yeah I also want to be like Shirou and fuck Saber till she falls unconscious from my EXCALIBUR going into her AVALON.

>>734140893
I was thinking more in terms of doing a hundred push-ups every morning or whatever it was he was doing.

>>734134901
tsukihime has better writing than all of fateverse though

>>734140451
regarding combat, people fail to grasp that you're meant to actually check the character sheets you're given, that constantly update themselves, because the fights do use those elements constantly. Nasu being a massive nerd expects that the reader is aware of the Tabletop nature of the whole narrative involved in the fights. That's why the skills have ranks and why the attacks have range. It's not arbitrary, there's fucking saving throws involved in Gae Bolg resolving.

>As the lance has pierced the heart even before it is thrust, it is impossible to dodge or block it once this result has been determined. To dodge Gae Bolg, one does not need high AGI (agility), but instead the ability to change this fate before Gae Bolg is executed, LCK (luck) is most important. It is the most efficient Noble Phantasm, as it requires little magical energy to activate, and each activation is a sure kill.

>>734132994
Archer blocked a modified attack that's treated more like a high-yield missile. He deliberately goaded Lancer into using that version.

>Fate/complete material II

Nasu: A weapon that strikes with guaranteed fatal blows sounds like a total cheat, but I guess it doesn't sound as bad now since we were just talking about Berserker earlier. (laughs)

Takeuchi: Are there any limitations to the use of Gae Bolg, or is the True Name the only requirement?

Nasu: The Noble Phantasm will activate if Lancer is within spear-striking distance of his opponent. If his opponent has a high luck stat, the attack can still miss, though that is quite rare.

Takeuchi: So luck is the only way to dodge it?

Nasu: Yeah, I'd say so. Even if your agility was EX level, it wouldn't matter. The only reason why Saber survived Gae Bolg's strike was because her luck stat was high.

Takeuchi: I guess her precog ability helped too.

Nasu: I like to call it intuition. Add to that her B-level luck, and she was able to avoid fatal injury even though she still couldn't dodge the attack completely.

Takeuchi: Do you think it would hit Archer?

Nasu: Without a doubt. Archer knows that too, which is why he stays as far away from Lancer as possible. If Lancer ever got that look in his eyes and took the stance, Archer would backpedal like his life depended on it, because it would.

Takeuchi: I see... well, they do say discretion is the better part of valor. What about throwing Gae Bolg?

Nasu: Gae Bolg: Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death is purely destructive power.

Takeuchi: I guess it would be too much if Gae Bolg could strike the target's heart without fail when thrown as well.

Nasu: That would be an ability worthy of Lugh, Lancer's father... it might even be more powerful that Fragarach.

Takeuchi: Eternal Force Blizzard! Instant death. Something like that, right?

Nasu: Sounds about right. The legendary battles of ancient mythology were quite literally played out in god mode, after all.

>>734140673
Well yeah, obviously he wouldn't just reveal he had been working with Gil.

>>734140529
He lies literally all the time
>Is aware of the war is a scam meant to bring about a way to the root
>Knows that the grail is corrupted and won't grant a regular wish
>Is an active master in the war yet talks as if he was an impartial observer
>Teaches Rin wrong so she won't be prepared for the war then backstabs her when she least expects it
In any of his conversations you can assume that half of what he's saying is either complete bullshit or that he's purposely omitting a lot of context.

>>734140981
Whatever he was doing, it also had him develop an ability to become the BONE OF HIS SWORD.

>>734132639
Tsubame Gaeshi requires space for the proper footwork to perform the complete version. And if the sword is bent it doesn't achieve the complete caging purpose.

Medusa's eyes have limitations based on the target's mana rank/rating, at its weakest, it just puts pressure on the target that can resist it.

>>734141047
>gay bulge is a sure kill, but the only one who dies is Lancer himself

It makes sense.

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What if Richard was summoned by Saber when she was still alive and a king? Do you think she'd date Richard? If not, do you think they'd get along? Richard is her biggest fan afterall.

>>734141063
>Start talking about an attack that is 100% sure kill rate lmao
>Then go into detail why it isn't actually 100%

Classic Nasu.

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So does Saber Alter go back to become sleeping Saber when she gets killed in Heaven's Feel or does Saber just wake up going "Man that dream got dark... still no Grail..."

>>734116048
>>734117429
>>734117962
>>734141047
You don't """"dodge"""" gae bolg, you just have your Luck to work with the technicalities.

>The melee version of Gae Bolg have reverse causality, which means he could be shoving Gae Bolg into his own ass and Reality would bends itself in all sorts of nonsensical ways to ensure the end result of Gae Bolg piercing his target no matter how ridiculous it would look. The thing is that it is not a precise effect, though the goal is to attack the heart, with enough LUCK stat basically rule lawyer in a way that Gae Bolg """technically""" struck at the heart but actually didn't pierce the heart.
>Despite this, you are still injured and the spear itself have the curse that basically prevents your wounds from healing. Though if Gae Bolg DOES pierce the heart, it literally explodes into THOUSANDs of thorns that destroys the body from inside out (basically what happened in the duel against Bazett)

>The ranged of version Gae Bolg trades its reverse causality aspect for more destructive power. However because of the loss of this conceptual power, it can be basically physically interacted with. Archer DELIBERATELY goaded Lancer into using the ranged version (he already knows about the ranged version from a different time line), which allows him to focus on blocking it with the Anti-Projectile shield.

>>734116048
It also has a range so you just need to know he's going to use it and get out of the range, something easy enough for most servants, its just the element of surprise for the first use that makes it dangerous

>>734142159
Basically your luck determines what 'struck your heart' meant.

It is like making a wish with a Genie without being mathmatically precise, which is just asking for to wish to not come out the way you want (just like the corrupted grail's wish: You wish strongest person in the world? It just kills everybody else so you are technically the strongest)

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Kashin Koji has my favorite instant kill move. It's way better than the Hassans.
>cuts a fruit
>your head falls off
Totally unfair voodoo doll.

>>734142415
I want to see it used in a story chapter just for the mental gymnastics to justify it failing to kill the target

>>734142536
I think it uses her Mystic Eyes to make it possible so they'd just need enough magic resistance to overcome it

>>734142604
Oh, she has mystic eyes?
Yeah, magic resistance is enough.

>>734142159
It's actually pretty straightforward, the way "reverse causality" work for Gae Bolg is that it makes it so that your "Fate" is to have your "heart" (intended as the "core" of your existence) pierced by it, so even if it misses, the world tries to correct it which result in the spear bending in an impossible way.
But the Luck stat is litterally the ability to defy fate, so the higher it is the more wiggle room you have, until you are able to "beat" the effect of the world correcting itself and dodge the attack.

>>734117962
I was under the impression that strange fake was after stay night since it doesn't seem to effect anything negatively no matter what route is taken. And where is case files of El melloi? That shit was actually good. Literally, anything nasu doesn't touch is actually good. It's as if he is only good at coming up with ideas and awful at everything else

>>734142083
Another funny thing is that Saber can be summoned as a Servant, even though she's still alive technically. All because Nasu HAD to make it more complicated and made Arthoria make some kind of a deal with the World, with the time stopping right before she's supposed to die and stay that way until she can be summoned in the Grail War and have a chance to make a wish that saves her kingdom. But how did she know about the Grail War back when it didn't even exist?

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>>734116048
I JUST WANNA STRANGLE MY GAY BULGES

>>734142159
Nasu would be a good lawyer with his ability to bullshit even the strongest abilities into nothingbolgers.

>>734142839
The holy grail comes up Arthurian legend, Saber thought the deal she was making with the World for that Grail

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>>734141691
>Do you think she'd date Richard?
Saber had a penis, a wife, and a child, so I don't think she'd molly-cotton to the idea of cheating even though her wife Guinevere is a cheating hussy.

>>734143002
Powerscalers HATE him!

>>734117390
No, it's reversing how things work. Instead of it being "The spear is thrust at your heart, thus your heart will be pierced" it's reversed into "Your heart is pierced, thus the spear will be thrust at it". Once it's activated, you have already taken the fatal blow and reality itself warps and bends to make the fatal strike. Even the Fragarach which has a similar power of "Nullify an opponent's ultimate attack by bending time and space and kill them" cannot stop Gae Bolg.

It's like writing "The violent attack of the spear made his heart explode" and then going back to write about how the spear was thrust. You've already committed to the end result.

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It's Sakura's birthday today. Got anything nice to say to her?

>>734143207
She had a penis just for one night and she ended up being raped by her sister.
There is a reason why Mordred was her only child.

>>734119505
>shiki can kill servants!
Servants can kill Shiki.

>>734143048
Yea, that's the kind of Grail she wanted, all right. But what did she really give in return to the World? We know Archer wants to kill his younger self because he realized how badly he fucked up making a deal with the World to save more people, but in return, he became forced into eternal servitude as a glorified Janny that has to clean up shit The World doesn't like. The moment Arthoria goes "I had enough of this shit, fuck the Grail" is the moment she dies and goes to Avalon, a much better fate than a Turbo Janny.

>>734133014
>Nasu, even being a dumb teenager,
He was 30 when he wrote F/SN.
That's why it has actual symbolism and intent behind the story and setting and isn't just mindless fightfag shit like you desperarely want it to be.
Every fight has a thematic purpose in the story.

>>734143425
yeah but he'll more likely get them first

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>>734143357
I love you Sakurafish and I wish you didn't die in that "car accident."

>>734136820
The premise of the story is the exploration of heroism. The battle royale aspect using mythological HEROES is used to explore that premise.
Even Berserker defending Ilya with his own life, only to die and theb Ilya get killed after him, is a criticism of Shirou's berserker-like self sacrificial ideal.

>>734143425
Not before he casually asks them "Excuse me, where is the nearest train station?" and while they're fumbling, trying to explain they're not from here, he puts a butter knife in their death lines and they burst into treats.

>>734142159
I'm >>734141047
I understand perfectly how it works, it is the readers that decide to ignore the whole exposition about the mechanics involved that don't know how it works. The game itself already says that high LCK is needed to survive a strike. Most readers do not even understand how the letters in the stats work, it is orders of magnitude above a normal people's standards. By B rank, bending Fate in your favor is but expected.

>>734143521
If she did get the Grail and use it then her soul would belong to the Counter Force to be used as a Counter Guardian. EMIYA just made a really bad contract

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>>734143381
In that case, they'd probably get along, but Saber wouldn't date Richard because she's a king but it's very likely he could've woo'd her right before dying horribly. Something something Richard insisting to fight instead of her because she's still a girl or some shit is what she immediately starts thinking of when Shirou pulls the same stupid heroic autism in Fate.

I've never read Fate/Strange Fake nor do I play FGO, so I don't actually know what Richard's personality is like but I imagine it'd have to be something similar to Shirou's for the sheer autism to penetrate Saber's tough exterior.

>>734140451
People who criticize F/SN tend to be retarded. I'd rather see people bring up the fact Berserker can regenerate multiple lives after losing them which was never stated in the VN but confirmed in an interview of the UBW anime instead of shit that's over explained to exhaustion and still misunderstood.

>>734143357
Wormsluts are NOT welcome.

>>734143794
It doesn't even need to involve luck. In UBW archer says you just have to step outside of Gay Bulg's range and it can't hit even on activation. It always strikes the heart but it can't magically grow longer, just alternate course. That's why Lancer needs to be in melee range to use it.

Gae Bolg fails in the scene it's unveiled and yet people keep trying to argue it's some unbeatable ability because Shirou's retarded ass was really scared by it.

Here's the thing; you can put a sufficiently tough object between yourself and it. It has a saving throw. It doesn't even kill you if you don't need your heart to live.

Nothing is straightforward in Fate.
Who the fuck do you think you're fooling?

>>734143952
>Berserker can regenerate multiple lives after losing them
Wait what? Like you take out 6/12 of his lives and he can just regenerate back to 12?

>>734143945
The whole Fate route was about Shirou trying to convince Saber she is a person, and more specifically a woman.
You need an autistic retard like him to put her off balance enough to penetrate her thick mindset of "I'm a king, therefore I cannot be a human".

>>734116298
>必殺
So what does it more accurately translate to?

>>734144085
>always strikes the heart
But it missed

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>>734143952
God hand is like JoJo's King Crimson, no matter the explanation, people won't get it

>>734144152
Yeah but it takes multiple days. I'd post the segment of the interview but I'm not at my PC yet. If the thread's up in 5 hours I'll post it because it was legitimately funny.

>>734144204
Both Archer and Saber stepped out of its range. Saber becauese of precognition and Archer because he knew the trick.

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>>734144152
>>734143952
I'm pretty sure that's just been forgotten at this point since it's retarded. There's even a chapter in FGO where a roided Berserker is the antagonist and him regenerating lives is never a problem.

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>>734144139
Sure it is.
I want to fuck Medusa.
Cause she is hot as fuck.

>>734144225
King Crimson is 2 abilities, right?

>Epitaph shows a prediction, that prediction is absolute and everything shown will happen
>Diavolo can then activate King Crimson to erase up to 10 seconds, removing himself from fate. So if he sees that he and some enemy fight each other, kill each other, he can erase his death but his enemies death will remain.
That's what it's SAID to do, but the problem is that we have moments like the arrow chase where he uses to KC to erase time and sprint ahead while everyone else just stands there, like it just becomes The World for a moment.

Berserk can only regenerate lives because Ilya is his master and the Einzbern are cheating as much as they can.

>>734143902
I see, that makes sense. Shirou can't read regardless of his age, my boy got done dirty by the gay Earth.

>>734137238
I read Dies Irae and thought it was shit compared to Fate. And not even just because of the fights.

I think late-story Bleach is a more apt comparison for this than Fate.

Wizardry has ninjas that can insta-kill, even as a playable class.
It can miss, there's gear that can be used to reduce the odds, there's passives that reduce it and it might have to do with luck. Still it's very nice to have when it works.

I think it's good when the chuuni game has chuuni stuff happen in it.

What if Archer taped Gae Bolg to Hrunting and fired it like an arrow?

>>734144529
I still fail to see what their plan is, Ilya becomes a grail and won't be able to finish things and make the wish

>>734139663
NTA but I'll try to explain. All those rules are 100% applicable within the ahnenerbe system but it's below the Throne system (Mercurius' Omega Ewigkeit) and is fundamental to the ahnenerbe. There are two elements that you need to understand by then that make all of their individual powers relative - apoptosis and taikyoku. Apoptosis is natural to the system and very early on it's explained. In this situation, it shows itself through how Mercurius can never defeat Reinhard fundamentally, since Reinhard is the apoptosis of the Hadou God Mercurius. This also leads to the fact that only Reinhard can truly kill Mercurius unless a new exception arrives. That exception comes through Taikyoku, which is basically the power level of the Throne system, regards of who is in front. The more Taikyoku, the more powerful regardless of their characteristics. Ren can never truly beat any of those two because he has less Taikyoku. The way he beats him is tied not to Ren himself but Marie, who achieves more Taikyoku and imposes her Throne Law upon everyone, including the other two, and starts a new age where, due to her Law, even other Gods don't have to fight for supremacy. We see this in both her and Theresia's ending. However, KKK shows that there is another hidden Hadou God that ends up killing Marie and is only then later killed by Apoptosis.

>>734144684
Homing nuke that warps space
I'm sure he's done this at least once

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>>734144175
>I'm a king, therefore I cannot be a human"
I wish Charles I was a Servant. He'd be the only person to understand that kings are the only humans on Earth.

>>734144152
I don't know what's more silly - him being able to "regenerate lives" or that he gets raped by kameha-, I mean, EKUSU-KALIBAAAAAAAAA in a single hit (beam).

>>734144737
Pretty sure that's what Sella's job is, swooping in an retrieving the grail.

>>734144335
Man, that image is so old. Brings back the good, gay bulge days.

>>734144528
>like it just becomes The World for a moment.
Pretty sure Araki forgot.
And he had to introduce a deus ex machina because part 5's cast had no way to deal with King Crimson

>>734144906
IIRC a single hit wouldn't be enough, as it was shown in (of all places) Prisma Ilya.
It would take 7 or 8 lives though.

>>734144281
>on activation, it has already rewritten the fate to pierce the heart
>except when you jump back once he has already activated it and go outside the range, even though your heart is supposed to be pierced once he takes the stance

WOOOOOW, nice nothingbolge you have there.

>>734145213
they were out of range before he finishing activating it, otherwise yeah they would have taken the hit, it's very much a "only have one-shot to use this right" kind of NP

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>>734144085
>>734144281
The only range that matters is the activation range, after it is casted you are too late

>>734140893
Saber is canonically a futa anon, she's gonna be the one fucking you and you'll give birth to Mordred because Merlin is a fucking asshole and he would find that funny.

>>734145376
Holy fucking kino!

>>734145409
but Shirou put his ponos into Saber's vagoo, jammed it in and everything

>>734145352
>>734144085
Note that not even time travel prevents Gae Bolg from reaching.

>>734145409
Despite what futafags would like to believe, Saber was only a futa for one night and even got raped for it, so she's probably not eager to repeat the experience (which is also why Mordred is an only child).

>>734144085
No, if you could teleport anywhere in the world but had shit luck and you teleported after the activation but before it striked you you would still end up with your heart pierced.

>>734143263
Yeah fate scalers are retarded because fate is a very low power verse, at most they are planet busters but the flowery language means scalers get baited and try to make saber outversal or some shit like that.

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Even hitting the "failed" version of Gae Bolg was still more than enough for Lancer to win the fight. The only reason Saber survived past that was because Lancer got recalled.

And even then she was left with the wound for days despite her innate regeneration.

>>734144738
Why do Japs love using German words, especially from the Nazi era (Ahnenerbe especially, shows up as the cafe name in Carnival Phantasm)?

>>734145818
Occultism was a government sponsored discipline in Nazi Germany.

>>734145376
Where can I read more of this kino?

>>734145551
Enough about Lancer. He had his chance to shine, but he chose to wear gay, jabroni outfit which caused the gay bulge to miss.

>>734145578
Why does Saber like getting raped that much? It keeps happening in Fate/Zero and F/SN. Somebody surely could put a stop to this?

>>734145578
>Implying Saber's wishes matter when Merlin gets bored
Open up that bussy anon, also the Lion King was 100% carrying a 10 inch futa cock.

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>>734145760
>because fate is a very low power verse,
There are multiple servants, beasts, types etc. that are multiversal.
Goetia Solomon was going to wipe out Humanity across all of time and space.
9 Tails Tamamo is supposed to have strength equal to him.
All of the servantverse servants are outright galaxy and universe busters.

Like it's explicitly stated in the gameplay and the story that you can't even harm them if you're not capable of destroying a galaxy

>>734142839
This makes total sense IF you have read the arthurian romance and know about the island of avalone and sleeping arthur and all of that. Nasu wanted his characters to be consistent with the real world myths, and that wouldn't work if he spoiled that arthur finally returns to free britain. He also does this with fake assassin, just to keep the concept of sasaki vague. While the character we see in the VN is not the real one, the question of whether he existed or not as a rival to musashi was left open.
Nasu is very heavy handed in this, and even today he isn't the most skilled writer, but I greatly appreciated the effort back then.
I think the type-moon verse went to shit by the time extra released, but I appreciate the effort that went into at least trying to make things make sense in the frame of FSN, with the legends and D&D systems.

>>734145891
Yes, but how did it become so popular in Japan? I get that they were allied with Germany, but so were the Italians and they prefer their shitty sounding language. Unlike the Japanese, Italians actually fought together with German soldiers, so you'd think they'd carry back some German words with them.

>>734146506
Because it's a fucking goldmine for mysticism and occult fiction. The japs aren't as obsessed with virtue signaling about how much they hate every last subparticle of Nazi Germany compared to the west, so they're more than willing to use it.

>>734146421
And yet Saber who at most can be planet level due to how servants work is consistently shown as the strongest servant with her full power excalibur.
>N-No but they are multiversal+
>T-Tamamo chan is strong waaaaah
Is that why the rainbow sword titan raped everyone?

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>>734145760
>>734146421
Fate is NOT a weak universe

>>734116048
>Unavoidable
>Never hits anyone
What did he mean by this

>>734146672
It hits even when it misses, it just doesn't kill.

>>734146672
He kills Bazett with it one time, even through Fragarach.

>>734146613
Planets aren't just large lumps of rock in Type-Moon, they are conceptual reality frameworks. Each one is a universe unto itself.

I'm starting to think japs don't actually understand how big a galaxy is

>>734146620
>clears buffs
>punch her
>????
>Win
gg no re fatefag servants are consistently demoted to below planet busting abilities which is why divine spirits become pseudoservants and you scaletards know it.
Idk why fanboys NEED their verse to be stronk, they believe their verse being lower power somehow makes it worse. It doesn't, just let it go, retarded shit like bobobo lowdiffs your verse, doesn't mean that bobobo is worth reading/playing over fate.

>>734145760
Thats because fate, at its core, was created with fights not based on powerlevels, but concepts. There are literally no "planet busters" attacks (at least in FSN and hollow ataraxia), but rather "anti-planet" attacks, or "anti-reality" ones. Even a low level servant like assassin can tank an attack from arturia, or one-shot a high level servant like cu, if the circumstances are right, and we literally see this happen in the story. If X has a power level of 10, but is resistant to Y which has power level of 100, X still wins.
For example, in gilgamesh versus alexander, gilgamesh wins because his "sword" carries the concept of "anti-reality" because its from the legend of the creation of the world, and alexander has a reality marble, so it gets destroyed. If something doesn't has the "concept" of world, enma elish is simply a very strong wind. Very powerful, but just that.

>>734146838
Framed buffs cannot be removed through gameplay.

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>>734146613
You're coping hard, anon
>>734146835
>I'm starting to think japs don't actually understand how big a galaxy is
They do

>>734146826
sure they are buddy, but it follows retarded rules so Scrimblo the generic shonentard knowing he can blow the moon with not-kamehameha would blow the mooncell because causality would bend to his knowledge and certainty, for an instance Scrimblo would reach the Root due to his past experiences and the moon would be gone.
GG no re

>>734146874
Exactly, but scalers are too retarded.

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>>734145376
pure fucking kino

>>734146964
And yet Rika roflstomps generic rinface #10 with a bunch of street level 3 servants.

>>734147058
Well, she just seals the wormhole letting Chaos peer across space.
That's bullshit enough, but she doesn't defeat Chaos.

>>734147058
She'll destroy him and the universe and just jump to another universe in the last second
>sugoi big boobed samurai girl!!!!
>Drop 100000000 Saint Quartz to just get her at NP2!!!!

>>734143662
Not heroism, but "ideals". Would you carry your ideal to the logical extreme? Shirou does in one of the endings, mind of steel. In other he changes his ideal of saving everyone to saving the ONE person important to him, Sakura, at the expense of hundreds of other lives. You described Heracles ideal, he exchanged victory to try to protect an innocent child (very fitting for a hero). Lancer also could had continued the war, had he obeyed Kirei, but his ideals didn't let him and he died. Same with every other character. We even get a glimpse of Zouken ideals.
The only character that was wishy washy about it was Sakura, and Rin confronts her about it in the end.
I don't understand from where people get stay night is about "heroism", thats the lie Shirou kept telling himself.

>>734116048
Gotta say I thought Kojiro's special move also being several paragraphs of why this time warping True Magic sword strike is 100% unavoidable was the lamest shit and I clapped when True Assassin showed up when I read HF blind

>>734144152
Yeah, but it never comes up as a factor in the war since they tend to last at most like a week. But since its his noble phantasm with enough mana he can regenerate that.

>>734146964
>a whole parsec away
if she's a galaxy this is roughly the equivalent of shoving her and having her move back a few micrometres

>>734116048
I post this in literally every Cu thread i see but he was under Command Seal to not kill anyone for the entire novel. Command Seals are grail magic that come directly from the Source, just being under that command makes Gae Bolg's instant-kill less certain

>>734146613
>with her full power excalibur.
because full power excalibur is not a planet buster, it's an alien buster, it is a literal planet defender
excalibur, avalon and rhongomyniad are completely fucking absurd in power scaling even individually when used to their full potential with their limitations removed, let alone when used together in combination.
they are not just weapons, they are literal divine constructs created by the planet itself

>>734146421
Fate Gays Only is not canon for me, I'm straight.

>>734147295
Explain Shirou getting obliterated by him in a bad end

>>734147105
>And yet Rika roflstomps generic rinface #10 with a bunch of street level 3 servants.
No
Yes. Gudao has beaten multiple multiversal servants with luck and the ALLIES he has. Gudao needed a GALAXY level servant to beat her. Just like Gudao summoned EVERY servant to beat Goetia Solomon.

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>>734144880
>I have no head, therefore I cannot be a human
FTFY

>>734147387
Shirou is literally just a dude and Cu is a fucking servant

>>734147371
And yet a middle aged teacher roflstomped Saber so hard that Medea was allowed to rape her with no opposition.

>>734146421
It's all figurative. No Type Moon character has any actual real physical explicit feats. It's just fake bullshit about textures and perception and other dumb bullshit.

>>734147404
Gudao has beaten a bunch of jobbers that needed to plot for thousands of years to barely kinda destroy life on Earth, these niggas aren't multiversal.

>>734147404
>summoned every servant
skill issue I low diffed goetard with just Cu abusing his guts skills

>>734147058
Fucking loved this thing.
>introduce galaxy level villain in the middle of the story
>has nothing to do with the current story, or villains, or plot
>3 minutes later character that has nothing to do with the current story sacrifices herself to defeat it
>story goes as if nothing happened
But most of all, I love musashi
>normal swordsmen spend literally their whole life perfecting their technique
>kojiro was an autist that lived as a hermit
>spends whole life learning one single move
>munenori was old and fought in many wars
>he put in so much effort he created a whole new style that his son made so famous its taught to the emperor's bodyguards even today
>musashi didn't train a single day
>spends whole day chasing pretty girls and boys (musashi is bisexual in every multiverse, whether male or female)
>reaches zen whenever the plot demands it
>has a mystic eye
>has the power to shot lasers
>whenever she isn't on screen, every other character has to ask where is she
she is somehow worse than nero

>>734146441
Hey, Fate/Extra was still good. It's turning the Moon Cell into musou simulator that ruined it afterwards.
>>734146602
I think they just REALLY like the long, overcomplicated German words and the way it sounds like something big.

>>734147387
>>734147484
Oh wait actually i interpreted your question wrong, i thought you were asking why Gae Bolg worked on him and not on Saber. The way Command Seals work is that the vaguer or more generalized the command is, the less the servant actually has to obey it. Direct commands like "come to my side" will cause the servant to literally teleport from anywhere in the world to you, while commands like "obey me" are much more vague and less powerful. "Observe people, don't kill them" which is Kirei's command to Lancer is generic enough that Cu becomes overall weaker in battle because of it and interferes with his attack that deliberately serves to outright kill people, but is not strong enough of a command to physically stop him from killing anyone for the entire war.

>>734147525
how is that even relevant to what i posted? she never np'd his ass
she didn't have the mana to do so, she was severely crippled for 90% of the entire grail war
she was weak, she was injured, and she was caught completely off guard by a nigga who specifically trained only to do that singular thing one time unexpectedly
he also wasn't just a "middle aged schoolteacher" this is cope, he was an extensively trained assassin who was being buffed with physical enhancement spells from caster

>>734147371
It's so nice of the Planet to give the good shit to Seiba!

>>734147714
The planet knows she's a cute and deserves it, and the face of the franchise gets the best stuff.

Why is Nasuverse's Earth so protected anyways?
There's like a dozen layers of conceptual doodoo, dimensional/timeline fuckery and nigh-unstoppable alien lifeforms you have to get through to truly and finally destroy it.
What makes it so special?

>>734144194
He's wrong, that is basically what it means. It literally means "special killing" but if you look at the contexts its used in it always means something like "one-shot kill", "certain death", etc. Just some synonym to say "This is deadly."

>>734147628
extra was decent because it has like 5 minutes of story total on one route. it was like a fun spin off. but then they decided to turn it into an entire franchise and shit stopped making sense
for starters they completely changed nero character from extra to ccc, recycled 90% of the characters from stay night but not really, it tries to use the same background lore and magic system as stay night but then it changes all of the rules and nothing makes sense, etc

>>734147705
>>S-She's totally outiversal, FTL and causality defying
>>She's just tired
Kekerino

>>734146978
Not how it works. An attack that would shatter the planet would just not be used, because the moon won't permit its own destruction. This stuff all got explained in Shinjuku, even if you have the power to destroy the planet, the counter force makes it so that power is meaningless and will never be exercised.

>>734116298
>using Ussop, the man who's entire character arc is about how he's a FUCKING LIAR as an example
what the fuck are you doing

At some point Fatefags have to realize Fsn was always completely retarded and carried by its charadesigns, urban fantasy setting, music and coming at the right time.
The original VN was never meant to be more than advanced shonenfaggotry for doujin otaku obsessed with eroges and dating sim. You people are even contradictory because if you liked Fsn at all you would despise FGO because everything it does is the antithesis of the original fsn, and yet on here you'll see that most of the biggest fsn defenders are also FGO apologists and even defend pure fanservice garbage like HA.
Fate/stay night is good but for the reason you wont ever admit because you're a seething manchildren who's ashamed he's a fanboy of a porn game for chuuni teengagers, fate is good because it has a hot iconic girls, cool fights, great use of symbolism and based on battle royale, the most broad and normalfag story premise possible. (cf. hunger games, fortnite)

>>734147714
She literally uses a fairy weapon and she is involved with lots of fairies, she isn't a nobody. Even excluding the later shit lore that excalibur was the planet linchpin and the textures and shit (god that whole thing is retarded), it makes sense for her to get a better deal.

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>>734117691
Man, I can't even imagine how badly Bazett would have mopped the floor with the King of Jobbers.

>>734147823
Unless you're in a lostbelt then you're free to destroy that reality.

>>734134901
>Nasu was a complete tard when he wrote it
Still is to this day
Fate would be a way better franchise if its creator was a halfway decent writer

>>734147025
Scalers just cannot comprehend universers with actual established rules. All they can do is measure a manga panel the author didn't think about at all and conclude that it means this character moves faster than light and thus it means it will defeat the other character (the one they don't like). It's just making up shit based on series where everything is also just made up shit. Detailed power systems with rules is the bane of powerscalers.

Durandal vs Excalibur?

>>734132376
Lancer Fionn won Apocrypha's 3HGW with Darnic

>>734147842
I'm a gigantic fan of FSN and I avoid FGO like a plague. Everything I've heard of it sounds retarded.

>>734147780
So what does it mean in >>734116298's One Piece context? 1 hit KO?

>>734147931
There are literally no rules beyond rule of cool.

>>734147842
All of those "qualities" also apply to the slop spinoffs like Apocrypha and such, which aren't good. FSN and FHA are obviously well liked for the thematic and introspective elements, like Nasu's previous works. Takeuchi's art is not even close to "hot" so that was never a selling point... and the original VN doesn't even have voice acting.

>>734147816
"she" is not, you're just being a disingenuous bait poster to be annoying
she's king arthur with all the limitations that comes with.
her armarments are vastly more powerful than her legend
and her armarments are not even partially powered in fate, all of the seals are still intact
and she doesn't even HAVE avalon lmao, shirou has it inside of him. not only can he not provide her mana and is the weakest master possible, he has her fucking sheath nerfing her further
if she had avalon she could facetank just about anything

>>734147058
I will KILL CHAOS.

>>734148000
Ussop is a sniper, he is saying "One-shot kill" to say he's going to snipe someone in one shot. I don't know if you read One Piece but also, Ussop's whole character is that he's a liar that over embellishes his accomplishments and strength. Again he's just saying "This shot will be deadly," or if you wanted something more accurate to the tone of the original something like "One shot, one kill."

The only good things Nasu has ever written are DDD and Tsuki no Sango.

>>734147842
I'm an extreme fan of the Fate series, played the original, HA, Extra, CCC, both Extellas, everything and i've been an active FGO hater for over a decade. I hate everything that it did to the series. I hate how it extrapolated Saber being genderbent into 80% of the male servants being genderbent. I hate the powercreep. I hate how it turned servants into jokes with bikini versions that have jetskis for noble phantasm. Its all complete garbage made to sell to the world's lowert common denomiator, gacha consumers

>>734147895
Trees of Emptiness try to defend theirselves as well, but they're not nearly as powerful as a world.

>>734147816
>S-She's totally outiversal, FTL and causality defying
when did that other anon say any of those things? he said that saber noble phantasms are made by the planet to defend itself against alien threats, not other people. remember that FSN is about concepts, not powerscaling shit.
disregarding that, she didn't want to go all out against what she perceived as a normal human. I'm not making shit up, this is literally a plot point that she has to get over in UBW with sasaki, she insists on going soft against him and almost looses. this exact same thing happens in heavens feel, she goes soft against true assassin and he has protection against wind and gets vored. the middle age teacher has trained all his life to catch opponents off guard and insta kill them, as much instinct saber has it only warns her than an attack is coming, she can't dodge an attack she doesn't even understand how it works.
this even comes up in her 2 fights against sasaki, she survived the first one because of the terrain, and the second one because she had experience with the attack

When did Fate become shit?

>>734148145
You dislike FGO for the wrong reasons.

>>734134197
but what if their "getting stabbed by a contract breaking knife" resistance stat was really high?

>>734148052
And yet scalerfags consistently push the narrative that she is despite her consistently being shown as street to city level at best.

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>Cut bitch in 17 pieces
>She waits for me the next day while on my way to school
What the fuck /v/??

>>734148202
I dislike it for exactly the correct reasons, because it was created with the sole goal of turning the franchise into easily digestible slop for gambling/porn addicts.

>>734148187
So you agree that scalerfags are retarded and don't really work with how tje nasuverse works, why are you arguing with me?

>>734148236
People rarely powerscale based on their lowest moments. The classic instance to point to is Goku dying to a virus. Nobody cares, heights are all that matter, not lows.

I've never read or seen anything Fate but I do remember someone explaining to me that this happened because blue guy actually did hit knight girl's heart, but just nicked it with the slightest of nicks

>>734147842
As you said, I'm fine with that. FSN is enjoable to read in the moment and it isn't meant to be thought about hard or analyzed, just like a fun action film. Even Nasu admitted this when Urobuchi called him out in the stay night route having really bad romance hamfisted. That being said, most of the stuff that happened makes sense to a degree and is foreshadowed and explained, and the game gives you a catalogue of words, concepts, characters, weapons, powers, etc. to lookup if you forget during a fightscene. Since Nasu was writing shit with that in hand MOST things make sense within the rules.

Why doesn't Caster just kidnap Ilya and then use Rule Breaker on her? Her timestop magic should be good enough to stop Berserker for a bit. IIRC he doesn't even have magic resistance.
Caster makes a big deal out of getting Saber to Excaliblast Herc into oblivion, but if Caster herself uses Rude Buster on Ilya she can make Berserker disappear without needing to take his lives.

>>734148236
i'm not sure what you're not understanding about this fairly simple concept anon
saber does not have one power level, she has like 15 different power levels depending on what factors are in play
15 is probably understating it because that's just how many limitations have been removed from her armaments and which armaments she has. if you then factor in her own various levels of holding back based on surroundings and opponents she has even more

>>734148369
What retarded scalers don't understand is that consistency matters or should matter more, Kid goku destroyed manga panels and you don't see people scale kid goku as outerversal with a PL below 30 which would make adult Goku the king of fiction.

>>734147989
Good for you, same here. I'd hope more people would do the same but in reality fatefags are no better than dragonballfags in terms of eating whatever shit they're given and praise it like the next coming of jesus.

If Fate ever had any real substance beyond its concept it would have done what any good writer would do and use servants actual background and history as an important storytelling factor within any fate iteration. The only fate story that has ever done this is Zero with Iskandar which is somewhat in line with much of historians works on Alexander's life. F/GO uses servants like they are action figures or gravure idols, 3 lines of background and no matter how much they changed history what matters is they're lusting on Gudao's cock now.

>>734148385
Yeah and she remains injured by that attack for the whole ass game. But /v/ pretends that she deflected it completely.

>>734148316
Genderbent Servants, powercreep or summer alts aren't the reason FGO is shit. FGO is shit because it's a game afraid of being abrasive at all. Liz went from evil cunt chud to cutesy joke baby character.

>>734148326
Oh yeah I'm totally with you on that one. I'm just saying that the fight against the teacher makes sense in that particular set of circumstances. Its hammered in the readers head again and again and again that an E rank skill can win over an A+ one depending on circumstances and other stuff. Thats why I brought up fake and true assassin, despite going against "top tier" servants with mostly A and B rank stats and skill, they still loose sometimes.
I think the other powerscaling retard has only watched the anime or played FGO and doesn't understand how the systems work. The reason stay night is fun is because that shit doesn't apply.

>>734148308
Not even the biggest regeneration feat in Tsukihime, much less in TypeMoon.

the fact that people still take typemoon powerlevels seriously after fgo introduced so many "the strongest ever" joke characters.