Do what you want, idiot.

I'm getting tired of the fake shill threads meme

>there's also literally nothing else to play rn
no deadlock invite I take it

I really dont care. After putting up with Bungie's shit in Destiny 2 I'm pretty much over ever purchasing another Bungie game.

I'm 100% certain that this game exists to just be a money printer for them since they're super desperate to make some cash.

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>>734116605
no bros I need help pls stay I just want to make up my mind. Usually I only pirate. I didn't really like destiny 2 and never really played it so I don't really have a hate boner for slopgie and I despite playing gaylo I never REALLY liked it like everyone else either because of the console slop guns. This is kinda nice middle ground I feel?

The vibe shift is happening, were entering a Marathon CENTURY!

Marathon is Brat!

>>734116724
cirno wouldn't buy this dogshit game

>>734116575
you just proved to me the theory that the only people liking this shit are brain dead griefers hoping for an easy noob gank
Every damn pvp game release its the same shit.
You dont actually like the game you are just a retard that thinks hes going to get in on the early griefing

>>734116575
It's GAAS slop with an endless cattlepass. You're going to pay money to be advertised to.

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>>734116575
Anon, Marathon isn't locked down to Mac anymore! Marathon 1, Marathon 2 and Marathon: Infinity are available for free even on Steam!

>>734116858
I dunno what that means but I have that dark souls brainrot where I only get to have fun if I ruin someone elses day. It's kinda like 4chan shitposting.

I think another factor is that this just runs well which is really rare these days.

>>734116952
I might play those in the meantime maybeeeee

hmm i did the tutorial exfil and it asked me to try again? not sure, thought i succeeded

>>734116724
Halo and Destiny are infinitely better than this garbage excuse for a game. Literally the only good thing about this slop is the gunplay ripped straight from Destiny 2.

For me it's a choice between either this or Crimson Desert but I remember people who went to Gamescom dogged on the latter.

Any game like this with a competitive bent but low broad appeal will slowly become more and more insufferable as the playerbase shrinks and shrinks until you load in and get your head blown off in 10 seconds by some adderall goblin

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>>734116575
>I dunno why I like it despite it's flaws

Same here, it's not a good game really, yet very addictive. The art/sound is exactly what I want. I think will wait a few weeks and see how it pans out, if they make any big changes from the server slam or if stuff like how you access the Marathon ship map turns out to be retarded.

>>734116575
Just go play PUBG retard

>>734119215
Even if Crimson Desert is great I'm starting to feel open world fatigue. When i finish up my current Ghost of Yotei playthrough, that'll be my last open world anything for a minute. I'm in the mood for something different and Marathon does fit the bill, even if i still have reservations about paying $40 for this. The good outweighed the bad w/ the server slam, but the bad wasn't totally ignorable.

>>734121967
You sound like such a filthy fucking casual. GoY? Really? You probably would enjoy Bungie's Skinner box slop

>>734122198
It's a great game for the same reasons Tsushima was. Simple as.

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>>734116575
All battle royale/extraction games feel like they're made for streamers first and actual players second. Like you see it advertised everywhere, think it's awesome and then you actually install it and play it and it's some of the most mid game experience ever, you're always looking over your shoulder scared that someone will come and take your rat loot away, if you talk to others it's never the movie tier voice acting you see in these previews, it's other sobs like you, there's very little soundtrack or ambient sounds so it feels like a quickly thrown together heap of low effort and it just isn't fun to play, because the map isn't there to be explored so it's phoned in, the weapons are all generic fps weapons and if you're lucky to get vehicles, they handle like shit.

It just feels like it's a genre preparing you for a world war in which you have to scavenge for toiletpaper, sort of like a hunger games training program for when the epsteins of the world finally take over and hunt you like animals in the fields with their drones.

I get that they put in a bit more effort in this marathon game but it's hellish and dystopian if you pay attention and look up what's happening inside the game. It's more hellish than any Doom game because you're killing each other for corporations and terrorist networks, among others like death cults and cannibal societies masquerading as food conglomerates. Arc raiders is the same stuff but with you looking like fugly clowns instead of mass produced corporate robots. What a shitshow of a genre.

buy now regret later

>>734116575
>>734116724
You'd get a lot more value for your money if you buy Arc Raiders or Helldivers 2. Neither game is perfect but they're both actually fun

>>734116603
FPBP
If you enjoy it, go buy it and play it. If it brings you joy, do it.

>>734119107
Unironically its pvp is better than Destiny's pvp.
Both pale miserably in comparison to Bungie's Halo pvp.
Destiny's raids though, are Destiny's redeeming features.
Such a shame.

>>734122281
People still haven't figured out that having a female protagonist in a "serious" game like the Ghost of Tsushima games is the equivalent of having a woman in bikini armor. It will take a while for the other shoe to drop, if they're not brain damaged from feminisms.

You must pay better jeets

you must be better jeets

I will wait until the weekend

If the game isn't dead by then i will check it out

>>734117187
don't do it anon, you have so much to live for

>>734116575
>Talk me out of buying marathon
one would think if a company hires you to shill their stuff they'd atleast provide you with a copy of their game, what cheapskates

>>734123035
I liked this post so much I read it a second time. You have eyes that see.

>>734123035
>how do I make games about the political space

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>giga rare purple salvage drop from normal ass commander
>find this backpack
>passive doubles the drop
I'm BLASTing so hard right now

I don't know how to talk you out of it because I really didn't want to enjoy it, but I did. I'm annoyed because it's reasonably priced, but I find it addicting, and addictions are a time waste.

>>734116575
Because bungie will rape your fun and nerf the shit you like
At some point marathon is gonna be made into something that doesnt resemble what it was on launch. Don't let these fans win you over and go play any other competitive game thats out there

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>>734116575
>there's also literally nothing else to play rn

This is how i know you are one of those Ball and Gun game only retards.

I like the aesthetic and the various movement tech the game offers makes it fun to traverse the map and POIs. I actually enjoy the quick paced combat which surprised even me. The only issue I have is that its such a cpu hog that I can barely get 60 frames consistently without lowering my resolution

>>734128360
The the hell kind of old ass CPU do you have?

>>734128441
Ryzen 5 3600. Want to buy me a newer one?

I get locked 120fps at 4k with a 7950x3d and a 4090.

>>734128860
Sure.
I just bought you a new 12 core one.
Sent it to you right now.

>>734129073
The drone just dropped it off. Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

>>734128064
now remake this exact meme but for arc raiders

>>734116575
>Talk me out of buying marathon
It's Bungie, even if Sony doesn't kill them in a few months just look at how they handled Destiny.

>>734116603
This
Even if you want to shove your money into your ass, just do it , it's yours

>>734116575
I'm in more or less the same boat as you, I like the art style but was prepared for the gameplay to be absolute garbage and ended up mostly liking that too. It sucks that it seems poised to go EoS in under a year but I guess if Synduality could limp along for a full one then maybe Marathon will surprise me.

>>734116575
imbalanced broken mess of a game if you look past the aesthetics and obvious access shilling campaign

>>734123035
shit part is they all dont need to be like this. hunt and tarkov work for their games because they offer huge grounded handicaps

copy pasting the "hardcore" experience which is just yeah you die fast, thats fuckin lazy. lets not incorporate shit like eating and drinking, weapon sway, huge lumbering mobility that makes everyone slow and methodical to go with the insanely fast kill time

you have a game with every gun coming out of the box ready laser beam you down. you got hero abilities that can turn you invisible. you got thermal scope rifles that have no bullet drop or travel time

this is just embarrassing and retarded. the only hardcore thing going on is sweat streamer marketing.

>>734121849
same i'm not paying 40$ for three maps and no changes to the obvious problems

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when people call Bungie gunplay good. I’ve hated it since Halo, they’re made for console but it feels horrible unlike other made for console FPS. Are they that much nicer to play on PC? I never double dip games I didn’t like so I’ve yet to find out (played Halo 1 & 3 and Destiny)

The beta made me wish Arc had more of a progression system or lore since the quests suck there but everything else aside from that is worse,especially for solo players. The AI enemies are boring and everyone is KoS because players and AI look too similar from a distance. The low TTK makes it worse because if you're even looking at an AI enemy when another player sees you you're dead.

>>734136380
>is Bungie gunplay good
I'd say it's consistently accessible and doesn't make demands of the players. (Casual friendly, in other words.) It's not something that requires super twitch reflexes like a UT2k4 or CoD, it's not something that requires hours of key binds and tests (Arma/milsim shit), and it's not changed much since Destiny 1 a decade ago. It's like the McDonald's of shooter games, you just know what you're going to get and there's comfort in that familiarity.

>killed the perimeter warden with V11 punch and a lot of ammo as rook
actual sleeper gun
anyway I also got to lv30
see you on launch BLASTers

>>734136380
the guns work too well is the thing. theres nothing like recoil or bullet spread going on. thats most likely what they mean
there's no handicaps to how things work. you aim and the gun shoots that direction.

but again shills are the ones sayin the gunplay is good. when reality it just, works?

I am in the same dilemma.
I woud like to buy it, but if it end up dead in a year, i will fucking regret it even harder.
Stop killing games is right.

You retards, look at how bungie managed destiny 2

>>734137994
If there's any hope it's that this game cosmologically cannot sell enough to prevent Sony from gutting Bungie and their leadership is all but confirmed to be bailing as soon as it releases and they can divest. Maybe new management will handle it better

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Top 3 global sellers on steam, all is well

>>734138263
Didn't work out for Veilgard though, eh?

>>734116575
One does not simply drop into marathon and have a great time
You have to earn the fun by engaging with this tightknit experience at its own pace

>>734116575
>there's also literally nothing else to play rn

In what universe is that true? Nioh 3 and Resident Evil Requiem just came out. Pokopia and Slay the Spire 2 are out this week. Crimson Desert is out in two weeks. There literally couldn't be more to play right now if they tried. This shit is not worth a single cent and has nothing to offer.

>>734138369
Veilguard didnt have a prerelease open beta to let people experience what theyre buying first for 5 whole days now did it?

>>734138263
>could only get number 3, 3 days before release.
kek even veilguard got number one for a week.

>>734138634
The point, shillkun, is that Veilguard both opened higher (reaching #1 on the top sellers chart) and went on to bomb.

In other words, Marathon showing up in the top sellers chart doesn't mean it won't go on to flop.

>>734138139
>new management
people said the same thing when bungie split off from activision
then the same thing when they changed the higher ups twice
then said it when they got bought by sony

>>734138639
Yes, 3rd below a GOTY and likely the GOTY of this year?

>>734116575
>>734116724
You have a picture based the presskit. I don't believe you. And if you are real, then you're so fucking retarded that you publicly ask for help spending your money. But lets play this out.

>PVP
Do you have a tight team of other players to join? Because if not, you will not "grief" anyone.

>Nothing to play.
You aren't playing any of the other extraction shooters?

>This is kinda nice middle ground I feel?
I have no fucking clue what your point or logic here is.

>>734138459
Then there will be no noobs for OP to grief.

>>734116958
This makes no sense that you would want this game if this is really your attitude. Too much empty space NOT going after people.

>>734138710
It's a big fucking maybe. This is Sony's hail mary with their retarded live service push so they will either invest more into it or completely abandon it when it fails to reach targets. It's honestly hard to predict

>>734139124
I think it's definitely Bungie's hail mary. Sony itself still has Fairgame$ and that Horizon live service shooter and maybe one other I can't remember.

>>734139124
>>734139227
>bungie’s hail mary is an incredibly mid extractionslop that doesn’t appeal to anyone
PvP hardcore autism lords are already on Tarkov and Hunt.
PvE gamerdads are already stuck on Arc.
Who the fuck does this game appeal to then? You get raped way too fast to appeal to a casual, and the lack of autism attachments will make the hardcore fags go back to the games that cater to them.

>>734139227
Both of those will perform far worse than Marathon. In fact, Horizon already had a playtest and practically had no players lmao. Marathon isn't a great game, but it is better than that shit and has more appeal to pretty much anyone that isn't the trannies working at Guerilla Games.

>>734139452
It's hilarious that as much of an obvious trainwreck this game is, particularly by high AAA, if not full AAAA standards, it's still BETTER than most of sony's live efforts.

>>734137927
this is like, im not hoping it fails and get to laugh at it like highguard, like i want it to do good for your reasons so i have a fun game to play
the people that are expressing this sentiment vocally in the most obnoxious way by saying THE GAMES GOOD SHUT UP are actually harming it more than ever

>>734139449
After 20 hours of getting raped by stealth niggers the TTK is the least of my problems.
>No sparkleaf? No diodes?
>That'll be 2k + tax no refunds

>>734116575
Its basically just an unfun inferior version of Arc Raiders. Just buy that instead

>>734139449
>who the fuck does this game appeal to?
I think it's a case of trying to jump on the extraction trend but failing to make it out before the trend got saturated. Remember, Marathon has been in development for years and got rebooted once or twice. I think it could have even been a thing where they thought it would be running alongside a healthy Destiny 2, since the two games would be complimentary. But now Destiny 2 is dead and Arc got all the casuals for extraction slop, lol.

>>734139452
>Horizon had no players
It was a closed, invite only thing. I think you had to be on a mailing list to get a code, too.

>>734139601
>it's better than Sony's other live service efforts
If HD2 wasn't on that list, I'd agree. Otherwise, Marathon just seems to be a less embarrassing Concord that will flop but not bomb.

>>734116575
I had fun with it over the weekend. But not $40 fun. If it were free to play, I'd be on board with it. Or even just $20 I probably would. But nah, I just got RE9 and I'm getting Crimson Desert (if it's not scam shovelware) in a couple weeks. Marathon doesn't stand much of a chance really, they should have made a proper single player Marathon game in the vein of nu-Doom. That, I would have paid money for day one.

>>734139824
And even still, practically none of the people they invited to it actually played it. You can't fail that much harder.

>>734139797
Arc Raiders is an unfun version of Arc Raiders though.

>>734139690
>be you
>crawling around in mud for just enough cash for a new kit
>immediately raped by an entire team the second you make a noise louder than a mouse fart
>back to rook and getting raped even harder because you have no teammates

>>734116575
>playing extraction slop

Literally why.

>>734116575
>there's also literally nothing else to play rn
I'm replaying .hack//Outbreak at this very moment in time. You can easily find something to play, there's literal decades worth of games to pick up and play from all sorts of genres. If you think there's "nothing else" to play, you are, sadly, retarded.

POST THE STEAM CHARTS

>>734116575
Marathon sisters all the normies who fell for the fomo streamer trend bait are canceling pre orders...........

>>734139824
>flop but not bomb
It'll have legs just long enough for Bungie to pivot it to a casual PvE focus and turn it modestly successful in the end. The game will look nothing like it does now after that though.

>>734139690
For me it was that Traxus mission at maintenance in the marsh
>show up early
>shot in the ass while checking boxes for rod salvage
>try again, spawn in on the opposite side of the map
>sprint all the way across the map, everything is already looted and it's full of elite reinforcements
>try again ten more times
>finally get a close spawn, no heavy bot presence, no other players showing up and find the salvage
>get killed at extract by another player who doesn't even care to loot me
It took probably 20 runs just sprinting straight there, finding nothing or dying to players before I finally got a lucky enough run and I still nearly died to a bunch of grenadier bots lobbing shit unprompted into the extract circle with 3 seconds left

>>734139449
bungie really thought that the streamers/pvp users(LOL!) of destiny 2 would jump ship like blind sheeps
>>734139690
>>734139904
That's why you pick Recon and go naked
with the first meele upgrade you can kill people really fast and if you catch them off guard they won't have time to react
even faster if you use the spider first since it overheat them
Only issue are shotguns
>>734140078
This is the most likely outcome
the second they announce a pve mode they'll pull themselves off the layoff hole
just to fuck it up like they did with destiny

>>734116575
The game is literal friendslop. Solo is boring and unfun. Playing with randoms is utterly unenjoyable, as is the case with all games like this. You will get ganked nonstop by people who do have friends. Also, if you have more than two friends it also sucks (GAME INDUSTRY: STOP MAKING 3 PLAYER GAMES, HOLY FUCK, I MISS 4 PLAYER TEAMS). If anybody I knew cared about this game, I'd probably get it. But I don't, so I won't.

>>734139880
>none of the people they invited turned up
Is there an actual source for that claim, or are you just making an assumption?

>>734140078
>it will have legs
For a week or two maybe, but it was struggling to stay above 75k during the weekend when it was 100% free. From now on, anyone wanting to play has to spend $40 + tip, which seems like it will have a much lower player base.
>Bungie will pivot to casual PVE
I don't think they can, actually. Doing that would require a ton of development time and a near abandonment of the PVP mode for balancing purposes. And they'd have to improve the AI, add more content (quests, wahtever), and then some. I don't see Sony giving them another year of money for that, especially when whatever they make at launch is not at all going to cover the seven figures they've spent on dev to this point.

>>734128295
someone should make fifa but give the players guns

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Your account gets wiped every 3 months. And you will be spending your 1st month grinding to end game. Enjoy that I guess. LAMO

>>734140458
>seven figures
My dude it is 9 figures at this point I guarantee it. Probably not $300-400 mil like Concord but definitely more than 100, probably closer to 200 if not more with how much they are spending on marketing

>>734140458
we still don't know how the marathon ship works, which seems to be shilled as a more pve sided map
just sprinkle some ayys around the other map and raise the bot quantity/rank when setting "pve mode" and that's on par with how bungie does stuff

>>734116575
>there's also literally nothing else to play rn
sign up for the US military
they're just starting up a real extraction shooter

>>734140781
>seven figures
Oh sorry, I'm retarded. I meant 9 figs, yeah. It's probably 250m to 300m.

>>734140819
All I heard about the ship itself (from the shills) is that it's an endgame spot you have to unlock somehow, which means you have to bust your balls in PVP to get the privilege of visiting it. That's not at all the kind of casualbait the game needs to pull people away from Arc.

>>734123471
>Unironically its pvp is better than Destiny's pvp.
That's not exactly a high bar

im getting it too. after my first session thought it was average at best but then i kept wanting to go back to it for some reason. maybe its just a complete absence of any good pvp extraction shooter thing right now but whatever, probably getting it

only thing i really find myself wishing is that 2 out of the 4 maps werent such fucking canyon/swamps. Outpost had better be somewhere in the ballpark of the megastructure i was imaging. Im sure cryoarchives will be fine in that regard.

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>>734138263
>actual people that are going to run into the same bullshit encountered in the demo but will be able to leave a negative review this time around right on the store page
actual slow motion gore-filled trainwreck underway rn

>>734141068
It also isn't even true. Destiny feels a lot better to play than this.

>>734123035
this might sound crazy, but those same moments that generate excitement for streamers and their audiences, still work when you're just playing the game by yourself!

>you're always looking over your shoulder scared that someone will come and take your rat loot away

that is literally where the tension of the genre comes from, you can always play meat grinder battlefield shit if you want zero consequence for death

>>734116575
its boring

>>734140458
I still think it'll coast on Bungie's name for long enough for them to make major changes. I don't see this being a catastrophic flop, but it would honestly be great if it was so Sony starts second guessing this GaaS shit.

>>734123471
i MUCH prefer this to halo pvp. halo pvp was slow as fuck and felt like you were on the moon. time to kill in halo was also waaaaay too long. never liked the way halo felt pvp wise. this feels better imo

>>734141354
absolutely not lmao, this pvp is better than both destiny and halo. actual time to kill and maps other than destiny's giant stone hallways

>>734141439
>Bungie's name
I don't know how much value that has anymore since they couldn't even break 100k concurrent on the free weekend. And since Destiny 2 is dead and those fans are all pissed off.

all they had to do was halo reach but extraction shooter

right now its just another fast paced schizophrenic half ass extraction shooter where its only hardcore because you die in under 2 seconds.
that sounds really gay

>>734141234
if you dig the archives you might find something about outpost back when they did a closed beta

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Just wait a week, $40 is too expensive for any extraction shooter. I liked the free weekend more than I thought, but it's gonna depend on Bungie having more enemy and map variety come launch. If the final map is just UESC but more commandos and heavy forces while you do key puzzles then it may as well be F2P

>>734141548
but if you made it the same time to kill as halo, scaling would be FUCKED. best shield in the game would be unkillable to someone with a pistol. i had enough of that asymmetrical shit in tarkov, fighting guys who my gun was a literal bb gun to, no thanks.

the benefit of fast time to kill like this is that it never really feels like someone with better loot than you can just stomp you mostly because of that loot. gear should play a part, but skill should be the overwhelming deciding factor. not the fact that i physically could not breach your armor

>>734141354
Nah. Here you catch someone unaware and they are dead 99% of the time. In destiny everyone immediately hits their get-out-of-jail-free ability thats on a 5s cooldown. Sane shit as Fortnite

>>734141770
>might as well be F2P
B-but anon, we spent $300m on this! Sony is going to cut our balls off if we don't make that money back! Selling gun charms for $5 and skins for $20 won't be enough!

>>734141770
map design does make a huge difference. i basically only played tarkov for like 2 maps, most of them i hated running. i feel like outpost might be main marathon map i come back to most based off this older stuff im seeing from it. i like the game as well but half the maps are a bit too organic for my tastes, which could be fine because most of the maps in tarkov were too organic for my tastes as well. too many goddamn forrests, lakes, trees, plains, canyons, cliffsides. I wanna operate damnit not play fucking reball in the woods

>>734141798
you fix the shields?
theres still nades, knifing, hero abilities like i dont know, theres still more than just laser beam guns with no compensation to warrant fast ttks right now

why would you want gear to be irrelevant enough because timmy grey guns cant kill people?
right now people are bitching they couldn't 1v3 squads due to their immaculate aiming abilities instead of just outsmarting them with nades, abilities and tactics. thats why the ttk got lowered from the last playtest

>>734136515
>The AI enemies are boring and everyone is KoS because players and AI look too similar from a distance.
Honestly, while most people site the aggression based match making a the main reason you're more likely to find non-hostile players, I think the enemies are what play an even bigger role in that aspect. In Marathon, and really most PvPvE extraction shooters for that matter, the enemies are generally just dudes with guns, tougher dudes with guns, and even tougher dudes with guns (granted in Marathon's case they're robot dudes with guns). When all the enemies are just dudes with guns, it doesn't matter who you're shooting at in the middle of a firefight because everyone's just a dude with a gun. It's not so much PvPvE as it is plain old PvP with player bots thrown in.
In Arc Raiders enemies are substantially different from players and come in all shapes and sizes from nimble flying drones to giant walking fortresses. You think if some fucking giant robot that towers over players shows up and starts wrecking everyone's shit everyone's going to continue shooting each other like it's just business as usual? Fuck no, either everyone's fire is going to shift to the much bigger threat or they're going to scatter and run for the hills.
Enemy designs like those play a crucial part in what PvPvE games are supposed to play out as, games where unsteady truces can be formed on the fly to take down a greater threat that can devolve into backstabbing based on greed or paranoia once the threat's gone or turn into solid partnerships throughout the remainder of the run.

>>734116575
I enjoyed the fuck out of the slam, clocked in 45hrs, reach lvl 30, even got used to the UI, i only wished they used some of the more secluded areas more, like sewers and maintenance tunnels. I wanna see PvE down there too. Speaking of which, the PvE is mad enjoyable in this game, and brutal. I cannot even begin to imagine the level of chaos the Pfhor is gonna bring to the table, once they get added.

>>734116858
>t. The noob that gets ganked

>>734141959
Oh it will, but you gotta get players invested first. Nobody liked Eververse shit in Destiny at the beginning, but by Forsaken they were actually trying with the cash shop designs so players started paypigging more and more.

>>734116952
>bro there’s these 3 decades old shitty games
>play those instead of the new, fun game
Nah

>>734141770
You can get a preorder key for $34, dude.

>>734141443
>>734141501
Is low TTK really a good thing in a game where death is actually punishing though? Seems more like most people would just die with no chance to react a few times and quit altogether to me.

>>734142294
That's still too much.

>>734142362
It's your money, but to me it's worth it.

>>734141798
>same kill time as halo
a br with landing the last burst on the head is 2.5. that took actuall skill to do consistently

there was still fast ways to kill people in halo dude. shotgun+melee. AR dump+melee. both of these required some level of a dance to pull off with someone doing the same to you.(you can argue shotgun since its a weapon pick up for default popular modes)
you time your frag nades with a bullet burst to finish someone off in a second of it going off.
i could go on but you know where im coming from.
there's no dance going on in this game because you die fast. there's no juking in an engagement because you're already dead by whoever aims first and lands their headshots. that could still happen with higher ttk like halo but thats part of the fuckin engagement.

lower ttk just simpifies things to where its just going to be who can laser beam the other quick enough. thats the skill. now include that in a game with a class that can turn invisible. now the balance is all fucked up
oh god not to mention the thermal snipers seeing through smoke and shit like one tap shotguns through SHIELDS OF ALL RARITIES

>>734140114
I got very lucky on third attempt with that, solos, guy was in there killing all the robuts so I hid and waited. Not really wanting to gank him but after he killed the last one, saw him go invisible and reload crouching thinking he was safe. Unloaded my sponsor kit Bully into him and he was dead, took all his shit and then snuck around some more and found a couple of rods but it took forever.

Luckily didn't see anyone else and exfilled with no problems. The worst mission for me was having to go all the way to the DCON house south of Perimeter and then run all the way North in time to kill the commander. Took a lot of tries, so much to go wrong when you have to run all the way to the other side of the map and can't stop for anything.

>>734142345
it works for games its designed for. the low ttk here was some last minute thing they did from the last playtest because the shill content creators marketing this shit need to 1v3 hype moments to show off.

>>734140114
That one was aids because sometimes you just will not find the rods.

>>734142571
the missions to DCON valuable items which you need for upgrade piss me off the most

The only mission ive had some real problems with is the one that asks you to find a terminal in the biggest buildings on the map. It only marks the terminal you need to use when you're like within 2m of it which is stupid

>>734144308
The silver lining for that was that spot where you scan the drones always has like 10 or so of the metals at the start of a match, and it's not required in one run.

>>734144806
oh that wasn't so bad, never seen another person in that area either. I mean the generic contracts where they want you to DCON blue or purple items for 60 rep, when you can do a 'kill 5 robuts' contract for 60 rep. I hope it's not like that on release.. ha. .

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>I like the tension, the thrill, the killing other players while being a rat
>game dies in six months after the hardcore sweat rats make it unbearable to play even for each other six weeks into the first season
>oh and everything resets after a season
Buy it, enjoy it for a couple weeks then move on like you always do. Stay classy.

THIS GAME IS FIRE BROTHERS

>>734145250
The ttk is so low that all you need to do is hide in a corner and you can kill anyone as long as you get the drop on them. Gear doesn’t matter outside of PvE and attachments

>>734116575
>I like the artstyle
This doesn't make any fucking sense to me. It looks like Nerf became an extreme sport. It's so ducking dog shit I don't know how anyone could consider it remotely cool. It looks like models without texture wtf. Is the appeal like a liminal space?

>>734142345
the thing people keep forgetting is that this is an information based shooter. yes it is a twitch aim almost apex type thing when you are IN a firefight, but before the firefight is just as important. observing loot on the ground, blue blood streaks, listening for sound, having a recon in your team, baiting enemies to fight near UESC, getting the jump on people with assassin invis, there is a lot that goes into making sure you arent seen first

>>734146003
>having a recon in your team
> making sure you arent seen first

anon I ..

>>734145935
I like it because I enjoy bold colors like mirror's edge and I like the prefab look much of the environments and guns have, fits the story of these things and areas being pop-up quick build things

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>>734145745
When does a PvE engagement not also turn into a PvP engagement? If I'm busy with doing PvE objectives like "kill this many looks" then I have to be ready to get mag dumped by an invisible nigger or sniped. And by ready I mean I have to not die with low TTK when I don't know from where the new attack is coming from. It breeds "hide until it's time to gank" behaviour that will never go away no matter how many turnarounds happen. It's not worth the time, the effort if luck plays such a major role.

>>734146123
what because scan tells them you are in the area? you still have the advantage because they dont know the angle or height you are approaching from or if you are even moving

>>734146242
What if the enemy trio also has a good recon, retard? You're underestimating how broken recon is once every rat teamster realizes it's use.

>>734123035
You literally didn't manage to write a single insightful or intelligent sentence in your rant, impressive.

>>734146182
Faggot.

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>>734146003
Every objective for the Corpos is bait to be harassed by nine rats running across the map once they catch a whiff of someone trying to get shit done. They don't even wanna loot, they wanna kill for sport.

>>734146219
That’s the neat part, you don’t pve. You either camp the extract or you wait to hear other people doing the pve then ambush them. At no point should you ever engage the bots on your own.

OP you should buy it
I'm so confident that this game is going to flop your sale and all your shill friends sales aren't going to make a difference

>>734146698
>wanna do contracts
>contracts demand I PvE
>lol don't get shit done, just rat!
So this game is all smoke and mirrors. Nothing actually matters except one-upping other players. Progression is for PvE but PvE is a trap so rats attack you.

>>734145935
This. Completely agree. The graphics are shit and the game has no textures, so they opted to make everything look like 3D printed plastic with ridiculous mismatched colors. Quite easily the most soulless and ugly game I have ever seen

>>734145745
>Gear doesn’t matter outside of PvE and attachments
That's real fun for a genre entirely based around loot
Good job bungie

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>Gear and challenges reset every 3 months
Who thought this would be a good idea?

>>734147023
marathon surely would have longer wipes, its not a sprint its a marathon

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This has zero staying power once the casuals realize the sheer autism you have to do to unlock the PvE raids, and the tryhards crash out over the fact everything resets every few months

>>734147023
Copying Tarkov wipes. Which were mainly a thing because it spent 8 years in early access. But also because the game becomes unplayable for most if you don't get a strong start and come up against people with infinite good gear and resources mid-late wipe.

>>734116575
Its PvPvE, which means it will always and without fail devolve into hyper-aggressive PvP. The vE content will be superfluous and for the last man/team standing once PvP in the match is resolved.

That being said, i like the game in general. It has enough stuff going on in the maps, story contracts are neat, bots can be quite challenging if you are not careful. And i dont mind the art style - 3d printed colony and robots and cyborgs - neat stuff.

Word of warning - the game's audio (music and sound effects) and visuals - ESPECIALLY during loading screens, can GIVE you a fucking seizure, and are overwhelming at times. There might be a situatuon where after playing the game for some time (4 hours or over), you will feel a bit fucked up - thats the sensory overload/strain it can give you. I am very surprised they did not attach epilepsy warnings.

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>>734147187
>thinking the tryhards will stick around when all they run into are other tryhards after the first couple weeks
Kek

>>734147023
Wipes are good for this genre. It's not MMO

>>734135647
>imbalanced broken mess
How so?

>>734116575
Sure you can buy Marathon. You may even be happy for a little while. But week after week, month after month, patch after patch, controversy after controversy when the content is sparse, the changes are for the worse, and Bungie spells nothing but silence and gay pride you will be left with nothing but dread and emptiness. Bungie is as Bungie does and anyone who has played D2 for a relevant amount of time knows what awaits this game even if it isn’t DOA.

>>734147442
every gun has a ttk of less than 2 seconds even without headshots
shotgun one taps regardless of shields
thermal sniper rifles
invisibility hero
thats the quick gist of it.

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>>734147237
>The vE content will be superfluous and for the last man/team standing once PvP in the match is resolved.
And then the timer runs out so no one gets to do anything.
>it has enough stuff going on in the maps
>he actually likes the Tick Nests and randoms toxic plants and bullshit sentry gun placements at corners of rooftops on every map
I can't wait for this all to die in a few months. You don't deserve anything with taste that shit. In fact, it might kill kids with epilepsy and get sued according to you so it'll the shutdown of servers might come even sooner.

Did water reflections look fucked up and pixelated for anyone else?

>>734147023
Imagine MMO pvp where max levels can go around and freely clown on brand new players.

It's just another fatal flaw of the extraction shooter design.

>>734147581
It's intentional

>>734146837
Correct. You can get contracts done, but you have to outskill both the rats waiting for you to fight the bots, and the low ttk itself. Literally the only safe time to fight bots is the first 5 minutes of a match so you can reset your position and health and be ready for the rats. People home in on gunshots like moths.
>>734146942
It’s true, if you can nail most of your shots with the free kit grey gun, you’ll down someone. Just run Assassin and wait until you’re point blank.

>>734146325
info vs info dummy, theirs might be on cooldown, there is time between pings to deceive one another, one person will activate it before the other, the team can split/have an assassin to divide the other teams attention. what do you expect? one recon per lobby? also im pretty sure there are like 3 usables that deal with scans/hacks, prevention and removal

>>734139449
>Who the fuck does this game appeal to then?
Me, a PvE solo fag who gets his tits off on murderhobo-ing bots and looting shit. I wanted a new game like Deus Ex, Prey 2016, or System Shock. Well shit, there is one, but it's devs are retards who though lumping PvP and PvE is a good idea.

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>discussion dying down
>/v/ going to go through all this again in 4 days

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Idk man but I haven’t seen a place so fabricated and astroturfed as the Marathon subreddit

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>>734147748
Im going to assume the spth are the only endgame high-level mobs and we're gonna go through Destiny 1 discourse again with people asking "that's it, that's all there is to it?" once they start getting blue/purple loot every run and finish the seasonal missions for each contractor.

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>>734147849

>>734147732
Here’s my advice then, play Assassin so you can run away easily from humans and bots. It’s the best solo class period.

>>734116575
>Talk me out of buying marathon
It will be a complete waste of $40.

Sending me, a completely anonymous person whom you do not know, your $40 instead would be a much better use of your money. I'm not saying you should do that, I'm just trying to illustrate a point. Even if you somehow end up liking Marathon, it's still Bungie, and they will only ever make it worse, and the population of the game will only ever dwindle.

>>734147927
>press invisible
>dont go invisible and die anyways
Both vandal and destroyer are better.

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>>734147849
even the controversial tabs is bad. its astroturfed to fuckin hell that they hide that tab unless you're on the old layout

>>734140186
>That's why you pick Recon and go naked
Assassin for me.
>with the first meele upgrade
Which one? I dont recall there being one.
>the second they announce a pve mode they'll pull themselves off the layoff hole
Quite the opposite. Unless they do a PvE mode, they will find themselves in the layoff mode.

>>734147849
>I don't care that the dev has new toy syndrome, I just want to heckin game
>>734147914
>Insane amount of support
>No-one is better than Bungie
>Only the last two years
Genuinely trying to suppress my seethe

>>734148036
Why are you going invisible directly in front of someone? Drop the smoke then go invis
>destroyer
Ass.

>>734147849
yep but id also say this place is hivemindedly negative, its cooled down a bit but goddamn first day of the test was insane lol. that subreddit sucks the games dick way too hard but this board also wanted it to be concord way too much. every AAA game is a battleground now i guess. truth is, the thing is okay and they need to tweak a bunch of stuff. its simply another platform to build an extraction shooter on over time, that has decent shooting and a niche for pvp centric high ttk, and thats fine. UI flow is shit, ammo and encounters per minute need tweaking, maybe some more gameplay dynamics in general, but its fine.

its not GOTY and its not concord lol

Marathon was supposed to be nothing more than a small side piece. Bungie was supposedly supposed to have 4 or 5 games out by now, including a warframe clone led by Luke Smith that was going to replace Destiny 2. To see the entire company cower behind Marathon is very sad. Everybody knows there’s nothing saving them from layoffs and annihilation. For Destiny players this will be a sweet relief.

>>734140458
>Doing that would require a ton of development time
Lol what? All they have to do is make solo/team lobbies. Literapply flipping the switch. The only issue they will have will be server capacities. They dont need to balance anything (unless they wanna give assassin a knife/backstab bonus).

>>734148169
>it's not GOTY and it's not Concord
What part of it needs to sell billions or they will shut down the servers early do you not understand? This modest player count you defenders keep talking about will kill the game. Modest is not enough for Sony.

>>734148269
You now remember the Gummy Bear MOBA

>>734148356
Imagine landing your dream job at the company that made Halo, and being the only sane person there

>>734148356
I wish I didn't. Hope sony mercy kills bungie before it embarrasses them both even further.

>>734148169
If any game deserves premeditated hate it’s Marathon. Bungie is an awful company that’s ridiculed its consumers year after year. They don’t deserve anybody’s benefit of the doubt. Furthermore as it stands while the game won’t be DOA like Concord or Highguard it’s going to at best have a concurrent player count the same size as Destiny 2 in it’s dark times (<=30k) so it’s going to die eventually. Bungie’s nature means the game is unsalvageable too. They can’t deliver content and any changes will be for the worse. The company is fundamentally broken.

imagine being a bungie employee and watching the preorders drop in real time after the server slam
I feel like they would have done better sales if they just didnt do the slam, PS5 players would be locked into their $40 mistake

>>734145935
>This doesn't make any fucking sense...
Sure it does. 3D-printed shit from new materials (plastics and pplymers), modular assembly, pre-fabricated. Typical sci-fi shit where robots build shit and assemble shit.
>...to me
It is indeed a *you* problem.

>>734147289
Is that what happened in Arc when the ABMM stuff got turned on? PVP dickheads got mad and quit when forced to fight other PVP dickheads?

>>734148848
>hey Runner you're in debt to us
>you have to use our super advanced humanoid printed androids
>can I be a shitty tin can bot that's cheap?
>no that doesn't count as a shell, you can only harass other runners
It doesn't make sense. I want to be a robot with no lips, no eyes. Just faceplate and optics but the game punishes me for it.

>>734147849
THe shills tried astroturfing here and got buttfucked in every thread. Reddit is probably the only safe harbor for them.

>>734149013
I want to be a security turret

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>>734148998
ABMM in Arc Raiders still let's PvP dickheads slip into PvE servers. Also the PvE is fun when you team up with randoms so everyone stayed that wanted to mainly PvE. If you want to main PvE in Marathon it's fuck you get good and if everyone who isn't good enough refunds then who is left to play EVERY RUN? Tryhards. Nothing but sweaty rats every single run.

>>734147527
>And then the timer runs out so no one gets to do anything
Can happen if people take too long doing stuff.
>>he actually likes the Tick Nests and randoms toxic plants and bullshit sentry gun placements at corners of rooftops on every map
I know exactly why that shit upsets you so much and so apply
>You don't deserve anything with taste that shit
to yourself. The feeling is mutual.

>>734147706
>Literally the only safe time to fight bots is the first 5 minutes of a match
What is a KNOIFE. Also, there are silencers.

>>734147927
>implying i have not mained assassin
It is the best class for solo indeed. And i love that shell. Also helps that assassin is voiced by Jensen's VA.

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>>734149178
>The feeling is mutual
I have games to play while yours dies in a matter of months. Games I've been playing for years and they still get new content. We're done here, loser.

>>734149167
>main PVE in Marathon
I don't think this is actually possible and you can only try to do it yourself, right? There's no way to actually remove yourself from the risk of getting PVP'd?

>>734149228
>What is a KNOIFE
how do you do this without getting hurt, I tried circle strafing the shield dudes but they just hit me

>>734149228
Both felt far too inconsistent to trust, you can oneshot knife an unalert bot in the back and still have all the rest in the compound come running to your position and I think I saw like two silencers total in the 10 hours I played.

>>734149306
>There's no way to actually remove yourself from the risk of getting PVP'd
That is indeed my point. Arc Raiders you have a choice. Marathon you don't and that's why it will die.

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>>734116575
I'm getting it, I had a good time with the server slam and I've got a few friends that are picking it up too. There's issues but all the main gripes I have they're clearly aware of and will ideally fix them soon (they had a pretty quick turnaround with the major bugs like the mouse lag). Also yeah the main thing is just it's been so long since I've been able to hop on a decent fps with my friends that I'm just kind of desperate.

>>734148036
Vandal is good because movement speed bullshit. I have not played destroyer at all, yet it appears he is only good when you have a team so you can tank. The whole game devolves into:
Recon > Medic > Vandal > Assassin, because wallhack > auto-revive > movement speed+jump > stealth.
'sass is good, but not THAT good. Bastard needs to have a boost to knife damage or backstabs to be actually good or on par with the other three.

>>734149420
Yeah, that was my impression and wasn't sure if the shills were gaslighting me into believing you could somehow have a safe PVE experience in the game. Sounds like the best you can do is larp as a PVE player and pray you don't get ventilated by some sweat with a thermal scope from across the map.

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>>734116575
I was in the same boat but after about 8 hours of the server slam (would have done more if not for work) I decided there's worse ways to spend $40.
I'll have my fun with it even if I disagree with a lot of the design choices in the game.

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You are buying Marathon right? You're not low IQ are you?

>>734149228
I'd dump Leela's core into plasma to get pistol suppressors in the armory.

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OH NO NO NO

>>734149552
Don't use my daughter for your ironic shilling please.

>>734148269
>including a warframe clone
>warframe
What the fuck do you think SHELLs are?

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>>734149598
Irrelevant

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>>734149553
I'm low IQ

>>734149598
The playtest ended and they turned off the server.

Kinda interesting to think that from now on the only way you can play Marathon is to spend $40 on it.

>>734149716
Veilguard and Avowed say hello.

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>>734116575
I pre-ordered because I'm retarded. Realistically speaking Bungie had its staff gutted multiple times and while they made nice with AntiReal there's still the fact that they only did so AFTER they got caught plagarizing which shows less remorse of the act itself and more remorse that they got caught. Extraction shooters are also just a difficult genre to cut your teeth on because trying to just get shit done can sometimes be misery due to other players and while Rook is a good option for just trying to grab some shit to recoup your resources you can't pursue contracts while using it. The only reason Arc Raiders has a playerbase is because it carved a niche for itself with its hugbox mentality for PVE players, even though that does fuck with the emergent gameplay concept a bit. Marathon doesn't do any favors there either though considering how often ONI tells you to kill everything including other Runners which most will take at face value.

Now that the dust has settled again, we all love this game.

>>734149013
>can I be a shitty tin can bot that's cheap?
>tin can
>tin
Thats too expensive. Here, cheap two-bit chink-nip polymer weaved from genetically-modified silkworms. Much better and cheaper than tin.
>tin
Unavailable at Tau Ceti.
>Just faceplate and optics
Rook.

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>>734149716
HOLY FUCKIG KINO
ARE WE READY MARATHON® BROTHERS?
FULL HYPE AHEAD

>>734149738
Ok now give me a multiplayer example

>>734148169
>yep but id also say this place is hivemindedly negative, its cooled down a bit but goddamn first day of the test was insane lol.

In general? Yes, this place is negative. But marathon didn't really trigger the polposting particularly hard. Mostly some shit with the people at bungie who still think it's a good idea to yell weird political shit at he gamers.

Is their budget on this such that they can survive at maybe 10k players? I think there's a good chance this doesn't survive the year.

>its not GOTY and its not concord lol
Well, an actual genuine concord event happens only once in a generation at most, like the Virtual boy, or ET, or Ouya.

>>734148356
I heard about it, but never saw it in action.

>>734149036
They even tried botting the reports.

>>734149825
YUP.

>>734149804
...but more for it's shitposting value than to actually play it.

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>>734149856
Tabula rasa
APB
Wildstar
Killing floor 3
Payday 3

>>734149543
even if youre avoiding everyone, the limited extraction rng points, smaller map size and how god awful they are out in the open makes it impossible to reliably be a pve scav rat nigga

>>734149301
>I have games to play
Then fuck off and go play them, instead of being an obnoxious retard. Oh wait, you dont have games to play, and you just want to be an obnoxious retard.

>>734149420
just say you're bad at pvp
no shame in it

>>734149951
Now give me multiplayer examples where you could play the full game for 5 days prior to release for free so you esentially already know what you're buying

>>734149951
Now give me at least nine examples of extraction shooters made by bungie smart guy

>>734149951
>Tabula rasa
Take that back

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why is something like this downvoted?

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>>734149989
>Then fuck off and go play them, instead of being an obnoxious retard
Eat shit shill

>>734149342
>how do you do this without getting hurt
You have to be very careful and know which bot to pick. Sneak up on them, stab them with strong attack twice. Some other bots may require a strong, then a few quick, then a strong attack. Implants help with knife damage.
Assassin has an advantage of fighting bots when in smoke cloud, so smoke grenades are vital too.
The point is not to knife-fight every bot, but to get a drop on the one obstructing your way.
>>734149381
>have all the rest in the compound come running to your position
Gotta do it in such a way that other bots are not close by or have a line of sight on you.
As for silencers - they are rare, but i managed to get 2 green and 1 blue for magnum/SD pistol and one for volt rifle/pistol.

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>>734149613
Dont worry im saving up for her magical girl alt, so all is forgiven
If not FUCK you

>>734149824
>ROOK
>sorry runner, ROOK isn't a real shell
>no loadout choices for you
>now go be a nuisance to other runners, you dirty scav
See the problem?

>>734150059
>I'm sure if I keep being pedantic about why Marathon is different and won't flop, anons are sure to change their minds
Take a bath, lil bro.

>>734150168
>why is it downvoted
Because it's daring to express anything except a positive sentiment about the game.

>>734149957
>the limited extraction rng points
rook gets to abuse guarded exfils squads almost never use them.
> impossible to reliably be a pve scav rat nigga
the rng rape keeps it exciting otherwise you're playing betheslop

>>734150168
That chud is obviously lying. Everyone knows the game gets good at the 30 hour mark so it's impossible for him to not have fun

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>>734142241
>we can go play arc raiders bro!
>i have a blast playing it!
>it's such a return to form!
>like lightning in a bottle!

>>734149420
>>734149543
Yup.
>safe PvE
Only if your team manages to wipe everyone else or as solo you sit tight for the first 15 minutes and wait until everyone either kills each other or extracts because they got their loot.

>>734150059
>multiplayer examples where you could play the full game for 5 days prior to release for free
Payday 3 and Killing Floor 3 were already in that list.

>>734134923
Imagine not using your ass pennies to buy things.

>>734150460
>kills each other or extracts
Nope, runners will camp safe extracts and if they don't camp they use them so you can't use them forcing you to take the security extract which summons enemies to your location.

>>734150437
>rook gets to abuse guarded exfils squads almost never use them.
ah so its a "it gets better the more you play you just suck and bad" situation

>>734150168
I saw far more recons than assassins, and the few assassins I did run into I thought their invis was pretty easy to spot, I can't imagine missing them unless you were busy fighting something else and at that point they wouldn't even need to be invisible. The smoke bomb did seem pretty good as a defensive tool but I imagine once people have frags unlocked and are running around with those instead of ammo boxes it'll lose a lot of value. Neither compare to a recon who can wallhack every player and NPC in a compound and just lob a free homing grenade out before every encounter.

>>734149957
>to reliably be a pve scav rat nigga
Rook and Assassin.
>rook
you are a hacked UESC bot. You have scrambler and auto-repair. Go to a guarded beacon, pop it, wait behind the cover, and then pop scrambler.
>assassin
same, except gas cloud, and invisibility.

Also, if you are downed, you can still exfiltrate successfully, even if you are bleeding and UESC robots are trying to suck you out.
The main thing is to survive long enough, and make next to no noise. I really wish there were mines and remote detonation charges. Trap bag and claymores are a bit too shit. And no pheromone grenades to bait ticks.

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>>734150437
>the rng rape keeps it exciting
>PvPniggers so burnt out on vidya games they justify being rng raped as long as they also get to rng raped

>>734150205
>has no games to play
>bitches like a bitch's bitch
What are you, russian?

>>734150778
yeah i forgot to include
>almost
for
>almost impossible to reliably
in a sentence for you to understand. my bad. im going to chalk it up to autism and not a bungie defense drone.

>>734150754
>frags

imagine having time to break cover and throw a grenade, lmao

>>734150805
>can be countered by recon or even someone camping at long range
Nice try

>>734150875
you guys have frags? the blue item that cost a shit ton?
man i remember people bitching about rats in arc raiders with all this talk and someone unironically was telling them to use the fuckin tagging grenades around every corner before advancing

just hodge podge autistic defense drone bullshit where its all theorcrafting shit that is never practical

>>734150584
Guarded extracts are the best ones, just call them and hide. If any nigger is around trying to rat the bots will alert. You don't even have to kill them at all you can just run to the beacon and get downed inside, the bots can't finish you fast enough to stop you leaving. Or you can bring a smoke nade to drop on the beacon and actually extract with 100% safety

>>734150904
You were talking about the bots at security extracts? And sure, you can't beat everything, so what.

>>734150875
You don't have to break cover to throw grenades, you just chuck them over your cover or bounce them off a wall. That's universal to like every game with grenades too, you should know that.

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>>734116575
I bought it, thought it was neat. My friends all liked Arc Raiders but I didn't like it so much because it didn't feel like it had a point. The reason no one PVPs in Arc Raiders is because why the fuck would you? Out of all the extraction shooters I've played, Marathon has the highest sense of danger. Usually in these games, the PvE encounters are glorified map obstacles and sound traps. Four basic robots in Marathon will gladly beat the fuck out of you and if they don't they'll drain your ammo and alert all of China to your position. It's a brutal game both PvE and PvP and I think that's going to gatekeep pretty hard. That and its dogshit UI but still, fun game. Criminally underused art style.

>>734150380
ROOK is a UESC bot that has been hacked.
>no loadout choices
True, except you can kit him out with sponsor kits OR get him stuff by progressing and upgrading corporate perk trees. Its annoying and grindy, but its there. Otherwise - sponsor kits.

>nuissance to other runners
Here is the thing - you dont have to shoot at them, they dont have to shoot at you either. They (or you) do because of expectation that you are carrying sweet phat epic loot, when in reality its some used wipes and expired food. Then again, runner kills yield rep for Dark Brotherhoo... i mean Arachne, so everyone is doing it because they want to level-up that faction.

>>734151093
i bet you would feel that danger too with a higher ttk, right?

>>734151054
I think he's saying entering the throw animation leaves you open to getting mag dumped if someone pushes the corner or your cover the moment you start the throw.

>>734150437
>the rng rape keeps it exciting
Gambling and rape, what a combo.
>exciting
Maybe if you are a dopamine burn-out.

>>734151163
I mean yeah, I guess so. That'd make the already heavily limited ammunition pool that much more valuable.

>>734151263
yeah its the same with using any shell ability

>>734151146
What is 234234 divided by 13?

>>734151263
True, but in the context of "assassin threw down a defensive smoke cloud to probably reload and/or heal" I think you're generally going to be safe to throw an indirect grenade into it.

>>734151421
>throw grenade in south relay
>sniped by someone in north relay

git gud

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>>734150168
Yeah Assassin bypasses a lot of bullshit and exemplifies the worst sort of Destiny Hunter players. The free cloak needs to be changed immediately, but getting invis from smoke is ok imo since the tradeoff is using resources that come with a tell.

>>734151093
>he seriously thinks NeoTokyo and Marathon have the same artstyle
Topkek
>Four basic robots in Marathon will gladly beat the fuck out of you and if they don't they'll drain your ammo and alert all of China to your position
They do everything all at once. They drain ammo, take your attention away, and alert every bloodthirsty tard on the map to your position. Worse yet it's not items the fulfill quests, it's the act of killing NPCs, so enemy players gain nothing from killing you yet they still try relentlessly.

>>734151538
The items are how you progress through the Corp tech trees to make yourself vastly less shitty.

>>734150754
The wall hack also gives away your estimated position and it's just pings, not a constant feedback. The little chud is also retarded and 50/50 if it straight up ignores something 2 feet away

>>734150754
Yeah, recon are the best due to wallhack. Nade can be dodged and it doesnt do much damage, but it overheats so you cannot sprint or slide.
'sass stealth fails when attacking or running or even walking. The best thing you can do is sneak in shadows or just sit in a dark/obscure space. Thats why he needs knife damage boost - even three heavy attacks in the back cannot kill an opposing runner.
Vandal has a hand-canoon. Just shoot that into the smoke area, or as destroyer shoot missiles.

>>734151532
>see someone throw a grenade in south relay
>snipe them from my perch in north relay
>get sniped by someone on the Hauler ramp
>see him get sniped from the datawall as I bleed out
It's a vicious cycle

>>734151538
arachnae and midas quests are literally all about killing other players. it's the only way to do them.

>>734148827
to be honest, i dont really care much about bungie as a company, i never got into destiny and i had an okay time with marathon. and if you're saying their reputation means they wont delivery, to be honest, destiny does have decent player retention for being a decade old incredibly boring piece of shit, so a game with actual tension in its design will probably mean their additions will naturally be better. i mean the playerbase for destiny still enjoyed a lot of the additional content, i think they just got bored because the original design isnt too strong, its basically a pve mmo, its a single borderlands but you play it for 10 years. extraction seems like a better fit for a long term fps, tarkov has decent retention, especially considering its budget compared to a massive AAA game

>>734148341
ya it will probably do decent on launch saleswise, everyone will warm up to it, then when it goes f2p it will have a surge and they will likely find ways to monetize it further. I dont think it will be an abject failure by any means

>>734151663
Destroyer can't shoot missiles into the smoke unless he's already shooting into it and landing hits, that's half of why he's the worst shell in the game

>>734151683
I'm not doing Arachnae and Mida quests. I'm doing quests for the three Corpos and I should not be forced to work for Mida and Arachnae.

>>734151829
When has Sony ever condoned a game going f2p rather than kill it's servers after it makes middling sales?

>>734150865
Yeah, there is an element of unreliability due to rng. It works for most part though, so... idk. Maybe there is a better strat, maybe they will rebalance things.
>autism
Something like that.

>>734151093
$0.01 has been deposited into your account

>>734151538
what are you talking about
not only are there quests to kill other players for certain factions, mainly arachnae, but some quests absolutely require certain items you find in the level, also, upgrade trees require stuff people find and loot, also players can have good loot on them like any extraction shooter

also its just plain fun to do pvp plus there will be a ranked mode on launch. the reality of the game is absolutely the complete and polar opposite of what you said and i have no idea how you came to the conclusion there is no reason to kill another player. also they might take your fucking extract those are one time use goddamn there are so many reasons

>>734151653
>The little chud is also retarded and 50/50 if it straight up ignores something 2 feet away

one time that lil nigga ran up a tree and then back down again and off somewhere else when there was a robut in front of me

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>>734151829
>decent
You have no idea what decent means.

>>734151093
tarkov has a higher sense of danger but i do like marathon's sense of danger. tarkov was almost too much in that you physically could not kill certain builds if you didnt have the gear for it

>>734150994
>frags
green shit you unlock from MIDA. They cost like 100-200 a piece though. Id rather buy smoke grenades. Also, if you want to troll PvP fags, there are trap bags. I also wish claymores were not so fucking obvious.

>>734151663
>Vandal has a hand-canoon

I shot that into an exfill smoke on top of it in the last 3 seconds of the countdown while I was running into it, blew the hiding assasin out of the circle, I exfilled and he didn't, oh i was laffin

what im reading in this thread is basically
>game is pvpve
>people engage with pve :)
>people engage with pvp :(

>>734152087
thats nice man but again with a ttk this low you're dead wasting any animations on abilities or items on items because the ttk is so fuckin insanely low, in a practical sense

>>734151886
MIDA has the agility upgrades which i didn't realise are mandatory if you dont want to be shit until the last few hours of the test

>>734151998
>some
Some quests require killing NPC enemies. You cannot deny this but I expect you to shit on me for wanting to engage with the PvE at all instead of using PvE to bait players into PvP.

extraction shooter maps arent supposed to be big open empty fields where you just get griefed by snipers across the map. the game is garbage.

>>734152065
it feels like literally no AAA game ever meets their projected sales and zero games are ever a success aside from flavor of the month indie games that sell 5 million copies and the game cost 25k to make, yet despite all that, so many of these AAA companies continue existing so either they are overestimating and they are still profitable or angel investors just save every company

>>734116575
You can go to the deadlock general on /vg/ and ask for a invite you know
Literally anyone can get in

>>734152182
well yeah id never deny many quests require killing npc enemies, just saying players have countless reasons to attack other players so you either need to play trios and hold off other teams with them while you help each other complete objectives, or player solo/rook and be savvy and mop up fights others start

>>734152085
Wait till thermal scopes become more common and let me know how fun marathon is champ. At least in tarkov they have a trade off with thermals, they are expensive as fuck, cannot be insured and won't beat a normal sniper scope. In marathon they are free wall hack

>>734152142
Wrong it's more like
>people trying to PvE but PvP'd to death
>PvP junkies try to justify hiding like a bitch or getting good by grinding PvP quests

>>734150168
>>734151537
LOL.
>waaah i cannot see him so i cannot shoot him waah
Oh, and the rest of them get a free pass, huh? Ok, remove vandal's cannon, destroyers missiles, recon's pulse, medic's autorevive then.

>>734152142
>tranny is tranny
>men engage with women
>women engage with men
yeah no shit. no one wants a tranny pvpve

>>734152183
there are plenty of areas that are cqc and indoors, also outpost and cryoarchive are much much less open and are rather, sprawling compounds

>>734151683
MIDA is just wrecking shit. Sure, runner kills yield faster progression, but you can get more out of just wrecking UESC robots.
As for Arachne - yeah, unless peeps reroll for extraction of valuables.

>>734152516
yeah bro just stay in one area the whole game. fucking retard

>>734152329
i am certain that very easy to tweak thing will not sink the entire game lol. if devs see thermals are ruining the game, they will either become very expensive or they will simply cap the range they can detect heat, or they will require you to be at a very high heat to even show up on the scope. many many ways you can tweak thermals

>>734151864
Well, shit. Maybe give him a single-launch dumb missile, but then he would be not so different from vandal.