>>734118078
hmmmmm no.
unless you have LITERALLY nothing to play?
hmmmmm still no.

emulate. don't buy the remaster dogshit

https://gg.deals/game/chrono-cross-the-radical-dreamers-edition/

$8

>>734118078
yeah

>>734118137
hmmmmmm shut the fuck up

No you must play thrice

>>734118078
remaster supposedly doesn't run that great
game is pretty bad compared to its contemporaries

>>734118078
Yes and don't listen to this retard >>734118179
Auto-battle+Acceleration is a must for this game.

>>734118867
>pls buy pls buy
kys

>pale blue dot in her eye

Kino

>>734118078
it's worth many playthroughs

>>734118867
faggot

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>>734118078
The original is. The remaster is an abomination.

>>734118078
The censorship unironically bothered me more than I expected. They do change Kid’s panties from red to white which is a welcomed change but the other girls have their panties censored which really pissed me off.

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>>734118867
If you're going to cheat, you might as well use fast forward on an emulator.

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>>734119168
At least he panties only affects the new models and you can use the old models anyway, but there's no opting out of the script censorship.

>>734118867
Acceleration uses new game+ item. You can add it to your inventory with gameshark code.

>>734118078
I'd say so, but don't go into it expecting Chrono Trigger.

>>734119190
>all these instances where every censored the word "woman" for no real reason

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>>734119190
The demaster portraits look like complete garbage

>>734119326
I agree, which is funny because it's the same artist.

>>734119190
What is this atrocious new art style for the characters?

>>734118078
It's one of the best PSX era JRPGs, despite having some very stiff competition. Anyone who says it's bad is a retarded zoomer. I even consider it superior to CT.

Does this game actually address the Chrono Trigger world thing?

>>734119405
It is superior to CT in every way.

>>734119394
The funniest thing about that is the original artwork being unfinished in the original release.
https://www.siliconera.com/some-original-chrono-cross-character-art-was-unfinished-until-the-remaster/

>>734118078
Definitely not. Watch the opening and skip through the soundtrack. Game itself is garbage.
There are a ton of characters but they all have elements so if you happen to use one that is the opposite of the boss they are going to die.
Combat options are non-existant, you get weak, medium, strong attack but you can do more weak attacks; ie it is balanced so you don't really have any choice, it's all the same.
There is no character building at all.
You can't even level, it is all tied to story progress, an illusion of character progression.
Equipment is weapon, armor, accessory. Weapons are just number goes up. You have to craft these with limited resources so you are punished trying to use different characters.
Story fucks you over halfway through changing the main character. The story over all borders non-existant and non-sensical and has nothing to do with Chrono Trigger beyond the most minimal possible reference.

>>734118847
they fixed the frame rate (like a year after its release)

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>>734119394
>>734119682
Turns out Square just had a huge streak of luck when time constraints and technological limitations prevented their "original visions" from happening. Because they're all worse than what we got in the original products.

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>>734119989
Strong attacks seem to have a much higher chance to crit.
99% of JRPGs have less character building that CC. The element system not only allows for a vast array of customization, but still limits you more than the retarded FG7 materia system. i.e. a melee character will still always be less good at magic, and vice versa.
Complaining about not being able to grind is asinine. The game is able to present a fair and reasonable difficulty curve because you can't overlevel.
You have a metric fuckton more resources than you need to make gear for your characters. And they don't wear unique gear or weapons, so you can just swap people into your party to try them out. Not all weapons are shared, but there's like 2-3 characters that share most weapon types. But even then, like I said, you get so much more material than you need except for the rainbow.
Bitch, how the hell can the story "fuck you over" when there's no traditional leveling? You don't suddenly get weaker or lose your equipment and levels.
Sorry you got filtered by the story. Maybe pic related is more your speed.

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>>734119989
>and the most false claims in a post award goes to..

>>734118078
I must be tired because it took me a minute to realize that people weren't talking about Cross Code...

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not as good as Trigger but definitely worth a go

>>734120428
>not as good as Trigger
You're right. It's better.

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>>734120510

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The only reasons to play Cross is its majestic background artwork (nuked both on emulators and in the remaster) and OST you can just find on youtube.
That's fucking it. The story is garbage, the combat system is trash, character designs are mostly atrocious, as a followup for Trigger it's beyond retarded.
A living proof Kato can't write for shit on his own, he needed to be tard wrangled by better people.

>>734120510
lol
lmao even

>>734120284
They didn't even really, if I remember it only goes above 30fps in battles
The remaster has speedup at least, but it's a pretty meager game in any circumstances. Kid sexo though

>>734118078
Chrono Cross is better than Trigger, Nostalgia fags ruin everything.

>>734120594
>>734120612
Better story.
Better music.
Better battle system.

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>>734120707
>>734120738

>>734120428
The Emperors Children.webm

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>>734120762

>>734120848
>The only way to actually get stronger in this game is beating boss fights because they give you Stars which notably improve your stats. So regular combat is truly pointless by and large.
Everyone who says this is a retard who never actually played the game because normal battles still drop materials and elements which you use for making gear and setting up your grids which are both important aspects of character strengthening.

I never played the remake and from the looks of things I never will. The original was alright. Just understand the Chrono trigger tie in was forced.

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>>734120510
>they hated him because he told them the truth

>>734120872
no need to announce your presence
everyone knows only a complete retard would think Cross is better than Trigger

>>734121114
no need to samefag

The only reason to get the remastered version is that Pip is fixed. Otherwise, you can emulate.

>>734118078
Anyone else thought the kid was really fucking hot and breedable, or was it just me?

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>Tanaka added, "Of course, the fans of the original are very important, but what innovation can come about when you're bound to the past?"

Imagine being BTFO so hard LMAO

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>>734121214
>adding endless pointless characters is innovation

>>734121214
their so-called innovation led to a worse game

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>>734121326
>>734121342
>

>>734120374
The entire benefit of RPG systems is that they give the player control over the difficulty whether that is making it harder or easier. Chrono Cross doesn't have this.
I didn't get filtered, I've played it in its entirety, likely more than once given I owned an original copy. There are a hundred better jrpg.

Cross is just kind of a boring art piece. Like, it looks beautiful, it sounds beautiful besides the repetitive battle theme, but it's a slog to actually go through and a plot that is so focused on being up its own ass that it isn't interesting to witness unfold.

>>734121430
notice how absolutely nobody is agreeing with (You)

>>734121430
truth hurts huh

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>>734121462
>and yet it moves

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>>734120707
>>734120738

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>>734118078
Not really, it's the first big flop Square did: crazy good looks, amazing music, gameplay isn't good, shits for free on Chrono Trigger and the plot is bad.
There is something super cool in the very final boss going with the game's sound design. But I'm not sure anybody should play the game for that.

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When dealing with Trigger fanboys you have to keep one thing in mind above everything else: they are mad that Cross established their choices matter. They are prison inmates getting mad at being released. A toddler facing consequences. A woman, accountability.

>>734121214
I will never forget about how fisherman Sneed o pwns you harder than any other boss in the game

>>734120324
Disc space not being a factor fucking ruined the FF games. Now every FF game must have 20 hours of useless cutscenes.

>>734122403
autism speaks

>>734122403
the fuck are you even talking about, did you hit your head or something

>>734123156
he's just being a passive aggressive little bitch because nobody agrees with him that Cross > Trigger

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>>734122569
A lesser game would have transformed him into some large monster or whatever, but it's just a normal guy whopping your ass, while "people imprisoned by destiny" plays

>>734120597
>character designs are mostly atrocious
I will fight you on this. Serge has my favorite protagonist design.

>>734121451
Miguel fucked me up tbqh

>>734123372
look at this amazing design >>734123250

>>734118254
What are the benefits of getting this version over emulating the Playstation one?

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>>734123156
>>734123241
Q.E.D.
It's truly hilarious how they don't understand the plot at all and get mad at it

>>734123458
>doesn't get why this boss looks like an ordinary dude

youre not supposed to like this game like ff9 or pokemon firered

Worth is subjective. I love the game even if it has a lot of faults, and its particular brand of existential crisis and atmosphere is still unique.

Why do trigger cultists want me to hate this game (kino) so much?

Which is better, CC or Skies of Arcadia?

>>734118078
>it was all a spacetime war between technology and dinosaurs
No, it's retarded.

>>734125735
Don't forget Lavos returning

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>>734125735
>>it was all a spacetime war between a bunch of kids and an alien
wow much better

>>734125735
Not even a war between an actual technology faction and a dinosaurs faction, but a war between the concept of technology itself and the concept of dinosaurs, which are treated as if they are ying and yang or some shit. Like if the world suddenly has too much technology the universe will create more dinosaurs to balance it out.

>>734126931
>Like if the world suddenly has too much technology the universe will create more dinosaurs to balance it out.
That's right tho

>>734123418
Using prisoners of fate for that fight gives it an unfair advantage compared to other boss fights.

>>734118078
Chrono Cross is one of the most devious filters ever created
It requires a soul to understand it

>>734126675
The story in Trigger is pretty simple and unpretentious though, none of that pseudo metaphysical crap.
>ayylmao crashes onto earth and buries itself
>ayylmao grows slowly like a giant parasite
>ayylmao will eventually come to the surface and destroy the earth
>nerd discovers time travel
>nerd and her friends fuck with the timeline and try to fix what they did
>they accidentally discover ayylmao and the upcoming apocalypse
>they use their time travel shenanigans to stop the apocalypse and kill ayylmao
All very straightforward and cause-and-effecf stuff.

>>734118078
Great music ruined by "muh 100+ party members"

I don't think there is a single JRPG with a massive roster that properly fleshes out that many characters

Is the soundtrack untouched? That's my only concern.

>>734118078
I liked the backgrounds but hated pretty much everything else. The only fault of trigger was the too easy, this one is just fucking boring.

>>734127664
Not even Final Fantasy VI, Live a Live, SaGa games or Octopath Traveler?

>>734127846
being too easy*

>>734120597
Kid not having blue hair is fucking insulting
>Dragon quest 11 whatshername though
Toriyama fucking had her real design all along and Square did fuck all with it.
Damn where's the actual CC remake i want to see Kid getting all sweaty and wet around the archipelago surely they can Windwaker this shit up can't they

>>734120597
Toned tomboy body and thighs.

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>>734127871
Correct. Only 6-9 heros should band together to save the world

>>734127580
Now imagine having five years to grow and mature and still expecting the same type of story. It's like a 15 year old throwing a tantrum because he isn't given more Blue's Clues episodes.

>>734127580
Villains whose goals are purely motivated by instinct and biological programming are my favorite types of villains. Lavos is just obeying its nature as a parasite.

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>>734127664
The "main" characters have more development than anyone of the Trigger cast. The secondaries still have an arc, coupled with their techs. The arc is usually transformative, meaning even the secondaries beat half the Trigger crew in development.

Mojo has more personality and development than Marle ROFL

>>734126018
>Bug humgry
>Bug amgry >:(
I like lavos but using it as the space flea out of nowhere boss straight in CC kills it, CT is its fucking show and It nails It
Then CC comes around and Lavos is some stupid angry midget bug with a blue haired girl stuck on its ass. And then the game has a schizo meltdown for an ending.

>>734122403
Razzly!!

Imagine letting her die just to minmax your party.

>>734118078
It's a good game, just don't go in expecting a direct sequel to Chrono Trigger. In fact there's some outright animosity towards CT in it.

>>734126931
>Like if the world suddenly has too much technology the universe will create more dinosaurs to balance it out.

Kek I never thought about it like that. That's... an insanely cool premise.

>>734118078
Nice fan art for a shitty version of the game.

>>734127580
yeah just ignore everything to do with Zeal
why would anyone on this piece of shit imageboard ever not be dishonest

>>734128404
>animosity

I don’t really get this. I played trigger and cross back to back and I never felt that. Honestly, the way these kids messed with time didn’t sit well with me. I was actually pretty happy to see all the things they did came back to bite me.

>>734118078

this game is ass and it's ass and i think it's ass

>>734118078
CC is for pretentious faggots, like for theater kids who go "oooohhh aaaaahhh" when someone tapes a banana to a canvas.
If you're a pretentious faggot, you'll gaslight yourself into believing it's not utter trash, thus making it worth playing. If you're not a pretentious faggot though, it will feel like a giant braindead waste of time.

yikes

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>>734127664
Who said all characters have to be "properly fleshed out"? That's your arbitral rule.
Easily half of the cast is "fleshed out" though, through both main story and optional stuff. And half of the cast is still 2-4 times more than JRPGs have usually.

>>734128282
>when you take Mojo to Termina and interact with the training dummy in the back of the smithy, he takes it for his brother for a moment
And there's a huge LOT of interactions like this in the game, if you take the right character(s) to the right place (sometimes at the right moment).

>>734128404
>Kek I never thought about it like that. That's... an insanely cool premise.
It's retardation kino.

Notice filtered people like >>734128573 always resort to unhinged overly emotional meltdowns when they can't understand something.

Yes as it's a worthy sequel to Chrono Trigger

ITT fags who never tried to help Starky get back home

>>734128485
Just add this line to the middle then.
>also some ancient faggots tried to use the ayylmao as an energy source and it destroyed them

Notice how pretentious faggots like >>734128727 assume without evidence that all criticism of the game must stem from failing to understand the utterly idiotic story.

>>734118078
the problem with CC is that the cool stuff that is in the story already happened and it's just retold to you. It's a pretty boring game, but the art direction is good, so it's worth a play. It's obviously not as good as trigger

>>734129028
Ironic considering your childish post assuming everyone that likes CC must be "pretentious faggots".
You owned yourself on the Internet, for all to see.

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>>734128404
"your actions have consequences" isn't animosity. Different things happened in different dimensions, and project Kid would not have existed without one where what the best ending of CT suggests happened.

>>734118078
No. It literally killed Chrono Trigger. One of the greatest JRPGs of all time

>>734118078
Yes

Absolutely, I think it’s a bit over ambitious and having 45 possible party members is fucking stupid but it’s one of the most comfy games I’ve ever played. The soundtrack like Trigger is a 10/10 as well.

>>734118078
I beat it recently and I'd say yeah, its a pretty interesting game. Its really not a Chrono Trigger sequel, its more like they rewrote some parts of it to link to Chrono Trigger but its got the comfy Chrono Trigger feels.

I'd say they even did the multiple worlds aspect better, its really fun checking the differences and interactions in the two different worlds. While in Chrono Trigger they didnt really take advantage of the time traveling aspect as much as they could've

>>734129594
chrono trigger is better off dead though

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>replaying Xenogears
>hit Shevat which was written by Kato
>the same pretentious ass vapid writing style that is smeared all over Cross

>is the best RPG of all time worth playing?

Yeah

>>734120984
its just a remaster not a remake

>>734130175
Based FF9 chad

>>734123861
You get to give Square money.

>>734130175
Based digimon world 2003chad.

Leena is so much better than Kid it's humiliating tier
Including gameplay wise

>>734119190
lol they made him white in the remaster?

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>>734129834
It's an expanded Radical Dreamers

>>734123861
I think it includes the VN and might have been upscaled/qol features like auto-battle. There's no reason not to emulate unless you like supporting these kinds of remasters for older games.

>>734129829
the only real issue with the 45 party members was you could only have 3 niggas in a row instead of 4 and Serge was mandatory, or at least he was so OP I dont think you'd ever remove him.

Suikoden is famous for 100 party members but they let you bring up to 6 people at a time. Terrible menus though...

What I did appreciate about Chrono Cross's rostser size was the fact that every character's recruitment was at least interesting and some even got some nice stories to go with it. So even if you didnt use them it was still a nice sidequest to do.

>>734126931
Ah yes, the four elements: fire, water, technology and dinosaurs.

The game is cool as fuck, but overall combat is flawed and the story takes a dive. thats pretty much the most important parts of an rpg.
it uniquely pushes the limit of a game with problems that I still love anyway. the style and atmosphere is just that damn good.

>>734120597
>That's fucking it. The story is garbage, the combat system is trash, character designs are mostly atrocious
I'll be blunt, I never found a JRPG to which this doesn't apply.

>>734123250
Fuck this guy, why can't I take 2 turns at once?

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>>734118078
Yes.

>>734127664
It's ok when Suikoden does it

>>734131003
the most simple combat systems are better than cross's, especially chrono trigger's which rewards tactics heavily but doesnt usually enforce them
Look at game like skies of arcadia, probably the closest comparison to cross that you are going to get: it has positioning based aoe, counter hits, magic system, energy system, yet it ultimately boils down to raw physical damage winning and magic takes a huge backseat.

you arent waiting for this golden window in arcadia to just dump your special move, like waiting to control the field in cross and your spells arent one use per battle. arcadia has its own problems too, but the point is it doesnt stick the landing.

>>734131416
>uninstalled
fraud

>>734130502
>using the retarded fishwife who attacks with a spoon in combat

>>734131664
I had to stop myself somehow.

>>734127664
There are about 40. Only a bare handful matter.
Rance Quest has the most party members. They are fleshed out because they are almost all from other games.
Suikoden has '108+' but most of these are just npcs for things like shops so Rance Quest still has the most.

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>>734131956
LEENA IS ONE OF THE BEST MAGES HAS ONE OF THE BEST COLORS AND HAS A TRIPLE TECH WITH MC AND THE BEST GIRL STFU

>>734132318
>not white or black
>best color
ummmm no!

>>734132318
Leena love

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>>734132318
>>734132695
you will never be a kid

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>>734132372
UMMM YES
>BEST EXCLUSIVE HEAL SPELL
>VIGORA
>A FOOKIN WHALE SUMMON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeDKEh5U5tw&list=PLloY2PAKSNv81uwzMLXlCZx_88DtDWnoZ&index=61

I've listened to this song countless times, and I've never played either Trigger or Cross.

>>734132318
>>734132847
>clone of a mythical magic princess from Utopia
>literal nagging villager
It never begun.

>>734132873
>fat girl summons a whale
the jokes just write themselves

also do you even need healing in this game? I don't remember

>>734132847
as much as they plaster Kid on the cover art, shes a really small part of the game. The fact that you can actually ditch her really early in the game is also pretty funny. The ending is especially kind of stupid still sexo though

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>>734133086
>high maintenance schizo freak
>down to earth childhood waifu
no contest

>>734133094
>>also do you even need healing in this game? I don't remember
depends on how sweaty you want to be. Elemental nullification is a thing but otherwise you'll definitely want healing otherwise for the dragons and other endgame bosses.

>>734118078
Yes. The beginning opens with a dream sequence. If you play Chrono Cross all the way until you get to the dream sequence in the real game, and then you stop playing, it's actually a very good game.

If you keep playing after you get to the same spot that the dream sequence was at, it starts going completely bonkers off the wall crazy town that makes no sense whatsoever, and then at the very end of the game there is a retarded infodump about how Chrono Cross is actually a sequel to Trigger, which it clearly isn't. They never should have tried to shoehorn it into being a sequel because it's not.

>>734131416
How the fuck do you have 1400 hours in this game?

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>because humanity was advancing too quickly, the planet decided to teleport dinosaurs back in time to stop them
still better than FF7 I guess

No, it's shit the game but the OST is sublime

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0OQNm22GZz8ZKeymSPrtVBll9ykcwBWY

>>734119165
I can't believe someone looked at this and thought it was okay to release the game in this state.

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FOOLS argue about which irrelevant character to pick, while the real pros debate the true hardest choice in the game: recruit Poshul from Home, or Another?

>>734133705
Wait, but wouldn't the dinosaurs already be in the past? Why would the planet need to teleport them back in time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVNkROZ0k2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FMEUeRuDKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHThasVoIac

ANOTHER WORLD, HOME

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Chrono Cross is awesome, I mean it's full of bullshit but it's the exact kind of bullshit I want from a PS1 JRPG

>>734134102
>Why would the planet need to teleport them back in time?
these are dinosaurs from the future in a timeline where the dinosaurs didnt get hit by lavos

>>734133620
>How the fuck do you have 1400 hours in this game?
I chose CC as my first Japanese reading material, before even trying an easy to read manga or something. There's a retarded amount of text in the game (NPCs change their dialogues every 20 minutes and I am an autist who tries to read every single line) and every other character uses some slang, dialect or at least has a strange way of talking.
Plus, I finished Radical Dreamers too.

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>>734125735
>>734126931
>>734133705
What's all of this retarded shit about dinosaurs? Is it accurate?

>>734118078
Yes, but only the original.

>>734134363
Replace "dinosaurs" with "dragons" and it's less retarded

>>734118078
I post this every time but until the game starts shitting the bed trying too hard to connect to Trigger, I think it's actually really good. If the whole game was just Serge going around solving randos' problems and recruiting them into his small army I think people would like it a lot more

>>734134363
technically they teleported dragons back in time but in the Chrono Trigger universe, dragons are just evolved dinosaurs. They also call their capital city Dinopolis still

>>734134553
I was also fine with the twist explanations of the multiple worlds but once they tried to force in chrono trigger and time traveling it got extra retarded. The fact that the theres just a giant exposition right before the game ends means they could've just not done it and also not have the final boss be Lavos

>>734134553
>going around solving randos' problems and recruiting them into his small army I think people would like it a lot more
which is why everyone loves Suikoden

>>734134309
I guess that's pretty cool if you used it to help learn Japanese. Can't hate on that at all.

>>734123861
Pip is fixed in the remaster, and Radical Dreamers is included and localized to English.

>>734134565
>Dinopolis
Now why don't we call the capital of our world Homopolis?

>>734134553
Nah, that would still be too directionless for a story that delivers the bombshell that you are fucking dead. I would have loved for the cast to be pared down if only as some of those stories like Van meeting his other self were pretty good, I can see what the game was going for but it wasn't well-executed.

>>734134745
Yeah I want to be a citizen of Homopolis, a Homo!

>ayo serge when are you gonna break im my sister?

Her and the shop keeper are my favorite npc.

>>734133705
>>734134363
No. What happened was that a very advanced humanity was able to come in contact with alternative timelines. In one of them, they met the descendants from the reptites (remember that alternative ending from Trigger?). There was a war and the conflict resulted in both warring cities being sent back in time.

>>734118078
nyo

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>>734134941
nta but I honestly have no idea what the story was going for with the bombshell that you are dead.
I understand that is considered a ground zero event in the narrative but I honestly don't know how you proceed from that setup. ( Which is also why I'm not a writer )
Should the motivation be to find your killer and get revenge?
In a different telling of the game when Serge time jumps is that considered the creation of a fractured bad future that you need to solve to create a good future? ( Sonic CD Intensifies )
I've thought about how to properly follow that up and I draw blanks

>>734131604
>ATB
>good
Fuck off, retard.

>>734121326
CT had what, nine characters? Eight? Only one of them was relevant to the plot. Two of them were relevant to subplots. And the rest were just background NPCs, including Crono.
CC may have 40 characters, but at least more than one of them is actually relevant. There's at least 3 characters involved in the main plot and about a dozen with varying degrees of significance in one or more subplots.

>>734125148
Depends if you want a plain, simple game with a simple story. CC has a much be tt story and battle system. SoA is great if you just want to turn your brain off and play a simple game. There's no shame in that, either. I love the DQ games specifically because they're so simple and fun.

>>734137306
I liked the fact that you get two sets of NPCs. Another world NPCs seemed down and trodden compared to the home world. Serge’s death seemed to have affected more than just the people around him.

I love how flashy the spells are.
Besides CC and FFIX, most other JRPGs (and WRPGs) have pretty bland spell effects in comparison

>>734118078
Sure, it's not difficult and pretty short. You could play it twice.

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>>734138220
My favourite pastime in CC is taking characters to meet their other selves or their families/friends in the other world.
Like, if you take Miki to meet the other Miki, she's confused and asks why the mirror is talking to her.

No its fucking garbage.
Great OST though.

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>>734139914
>take the smith guy to himself
>basically this scene from FMA

CC is my favorite PSX game, with many amazing memories
I tried the remaster and quit less than 1h in because holy shit, the upscaled BGs look like utter TRASH, as im complete mush that you can't even tell apart

>>734140130
>they proceed to forge the best weapons with the legendary rainbow shell

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It's fucked up how rejecting Kid is the correct option every single time it's offered.

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>>734141692
I disagree I find it hilarious

>>734141692
>reject Kid
>get Lena
>let Kid "die"
>get Glenn
what did the game mean by this?

>>734142665
She's only for those who truly wanted her.

>>734142665
I always wondered how to get Glenn as a kid because I always chose to save Kid. I only played the game through like twice when it came out because I was a huge Chrono Trigger fan and didn't like it that much but I didn't get Glenn until I replayed it much later. I liked Chrono Trigger so much when it came out and it became my new favorite game. I liked it so much that my mom referred to it as "the time travel game" and she never knew any other game that I liked except like Mario and Zelda.

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>>734118078
In 2026? fuck no. The game was only good on release since it was the height of the playstation JRPG era, and players put up with a whole lot more 3deep7you bullshit back then. If you like the art and music (the only good things about the game), just search online.

Today, CC stands as a testament to how much of a hack Kato is, and how much disdain he has for CT.

>>734119190
wow i love america so much

>>734143025
>In 2026? fuck no. The game was only good on release since it was the height of the playstation JRPG era, and players put up with a whole lot more 3deep7you bullshit back then.
No, anon. You're a zoomer. Everyone "hated" Chrono Cross back then for not being Chrono Trigger. It's actually sort of a zoomer revisionism that some people on 4chan claim to like it more than Trigger nowadays. It was never the height of the playstation JRPG era. It was always known as convoluted bullshit. Though I will say, as I have said previously in this thread, that if you treat the game as a "loop", and you stop playing the game when you get to the Viper manor dream sequence, and you treat the beginning dream sequence as the beginning and the real Viper manor as the end, it's a pretty nice game. If you go longer than that, it turns into a whole bunch of exposition dump bullshit that doesn't make any sense and tries to retcon it into being a sequel in the final hour. Everyone always hated it for that reason. Or at least fans of Chrono Trigger always had that opinion.

>Today, CC stands as a testament to how much of a hack Kato
That is absolutely true though. I even played Another Eden because people say Kato is the Chrono Trigger guy, and Another Eden is pretty bad too, though actually it's not as bad as Chrono Cross. Masato Kato is absolutely not the Chrono Trigger guy, someone else is responsible for Chrono Trigger no matter how much credit Kato gets for it.

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>>734143426
>someone else is responsible for Chrono Trigger no matter how much credit Kato gets for it.
I wonder who can it be....

CC is simply right.
CT is an infantile story where characters who are mostly literal children abuse time travel while expecting no consequences at all to their actions, including doing it for their own personal, selfish reasons like saving Lucca's mom or Chrono himself
The only true sin of CC is killing some CT characters offscreen because that will always be retarded, and Gale being the ONLY fucking normal battle song what the hell

>>734119165
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mfs clowning on solt and peppor until ketchop shows up...

>>734143426
>Another Eden
so what is that game? I took a look and it looks like gacha bullshit but the marketing for it was more story based or some shit.
and last I checked gacha and story go together like Nintendo and good deals those don't fucking exist

>>734143875
Right, obviously it wasn't Kato, he just gets high praise (at least on 4chan) for being the Chrono Trigger guy, when he clearly isn't. His other shit sucks and is needlessly convoluted. I would say that his work on Final Fantasy XI is pretty good, but even Rise of Zilart immediately retcons the ending of the base game of XI by saying that your character lost their memories of what actually happened after you defeated the Shadow Lord.

I love it.
I loved it 25 years ago, I loved it 10 years ago, I still love it now.
I can appreciate it as its own thing, despite also loving Trigger.

>>734118078
Look, if you all hate it, Another Eden is RIGHT THERE.

>>734119168
>>734119190
Are there any other examples of script changes? This one image is the only thing I see getting posted whenever CC threads come up.

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>>734118078
>bad gameplay
>forgettable characters
>incomprehensible story
The complete opposite to Chrono Trigger, the ost of the map is very good though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhBY8BIJURo

SOVL

>>734144320
>so what is that game? I took a look and it looks like gacha bullshit but the marketing for it was more story based or some shit.
Another Eden is indeed gacha bullshit, except it's basically a massive story.

The gacha is somewhat generous, like it has real 2-4% rates (I forget which) so you always stand a decent chance of getting the unit, but there is no pity. It's actually not that bad because you can always RNG into getting any character on any banner, and you can farm dungeons to upgrade units to their alternate versions, so you really only need to roll for units where you don't have any version of them. The gacha wasn't really that bad, but then they introduced a brand new higher rarity upgrade with a worse pull rate, and that's when I finally called it quits. You can still upgrade characters into this higher rarity by grinding but this grind is timegated. As far as gacha systems go, it's not the worst actually, modern Chinese gachas with fake rates and 50/50 pity is easily worse. There are also tons of free characters (the Chrono Cross characters are free, for example) and some autist in JP used to upload clears of all the super bosses using only free units, so as much as it is gacha bullshit, it's not completely gacha bullshit.

Anyway, the story is huge. It's sort of like an MMO in its scope. Its got like 8 years of main story and side story and each character has their own character quest story as well. It's seriously massive. The first arc is very slow (as slow as an MMO), but I thought it was decent enough. The second arc was so bad that I quit the game because I just wasn't interested anymore.

>last I checked gacha and story go together like Nintendo and good deals
Heaven Burns Red has a pretty good story. It's published by WFS (same as Another Eden) but is Jun Maeda, of Angel Beats fame. It would be better as a standalone VN though and not the gacha shit. HBR's gacha shit is actually very bad and egregious.

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Don't listen to the naysayers, OP. Chrono Cross is one the best RPGs ever made; there's a reason that it got all the acclaimed reviews it did back in the day.
Combat system is one of the best you'll ever experience. The atmosphere, art, design, and music is all top tier as well.

>>734119565
It does but also sets up a sequel/interquel we never got. In that regard they did it worse than Xenogears

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How do you find porn with this character?

>>734120382
And it gets more funny once you realise most of what he said applies to CT too

>>734144784
figured, not touching that with a 5 foot pole

>>734143426
>Everyone "hated" Chrono Cross back then for not being Chrono Trigger.
Basically every review of the game when it came out was glowing with praise. YOU are the one doing revisionism by claiming everyone hated it.
>>734143875
>>734144353
In truth, it wasn't Kato or the big three who were responsible for how good the game turned out. The credit should go to Kitase and Tokita.

>>734145195
>In truth, it wasn't Kato or the big three who were responsible for how good the game turned out. The credit should go to Kitase and Tokita.
Definitely not Kitase. He's proven himself to be a hack. Tokita has some good wins under his belt, but he also has some horrible failings. It was probably just the checks and balances that the Dream Team afforded when combined with the people working on them. There were multiple people checking everyone's retardation, and only the cause-and-effect things that made genuine sense ended up being in the released game. There are no such checks and balances in more modern releases, so you end up with things like time jannies in VII Remake.

>>734145089
NTA but they're releasing an offline version of Another Eden. The game isnt dead yet but its like Octopath Traveler 0 where its just a chunk of existing content

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4163960/Another_Eden_Begins/

>>734145456
This gives me hope that WFS might also release an offline HBR when it's dead too.

>>734118078
The localizers just tossing the script into a random accent generator really is annoying. Giving a character an accent doesn't automatically mean they have a unique personality.

I honestly found this game boring. It's ambitious and has its positive qualities but the game constantly undermines itself.
>Amazing music
Nobody will tell you the soundtrack sucks. However, the battle music is poorly paced and bad battle music which really bogs the whole thing down
>The story
This was somewhat ok until the third act, where it then tries to force itself to connect to trigger when it was a perfectly fine and good thing on its own in increasingly convoluted ways that undermines its own world and characters
>Battle system
Inherently interesting but there is next to no reason to engage with the systems as a whole, nor is there too much reason to do random encounters since the stats you gain feel minimal. It's kinda cool that it's like this but also makes the dungeons have no real weight to them. Not like any square RPG was that hard up until this point so not a deal breaker

Tldr- it would be a good game if they were just a bit smarter

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>>734145569
HBR will never die, but they should package the first 5 chapters into a game

>>734145707
>The localizers just tossing the script into a random accent generator really is annoying. Giving a character an accent doesn't automatically mean they have a unique personality.
The Japanese script has different accents and speech patterns as well, anon.

>>734145707
It wasn't random. The accent generator was just a tool that saved them time so they didn't have to type out every single dialogue box for each character.

>>734145825
How easy is it to just play through the main story now? I got filtered by the mountain dungeon and the weekly bosses being retardedly difficult. I just want to play the main story and the side stories maybe. I hate the combat. It's like Another Eden's but worse, and the gacha is so much fucking worse too.

Typically when a sequel is made it they usually try to iterate on stuff that made the original good instead of changing everything, saying it's a sequel then adding a third act info dump instead of positively iterating

>>734146012
Story mode is a bit easier because of the powercreep memoria we've gotten that makes everything from super long dungeons to boss fighs easier. We've long blown past the recommended power level. But just playing casually it might be difficult, theres a boss that has a 2 team requirement later too.

Your best bet would be to wait a bit and roll the Bungo Unison we'll be getting, shes the ultimate "I want to just enjoy the story mode and auto rewards" memoria. But I cant say when that is coming so you'd have to check in. Could be as soon as April though.

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>>734145025
You don't, perv!

>>734118078
Hell yea it is

>>734146395
A ton of '2nd' games are just cheap cash-ins where they reskin something entirely different they were already working on to pretend it is a sequel to something they didn't expect to be successful. 2nd games are almost always awful and to be avoided.

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I like Trigger since it's an enjoyable adventure from beginning to end. Nothing absolutely mind blowing, but everything was done right.

I like Cross since it goes balls to the wall later in the story. Some things feel half baked, but the things that are done right, they are really good.

Also, Harle and Kid are both sexo and their stories make me a little sad.

>>734145796
>However, the battle music is poorly paced and bad battle music which really bogs the whole thing down
I actually liked the battle music, but I liked the Radical Dreamers version more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FxUzE_Bizw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLhA_ZpRQnk

I played Radical Dreamers waaay back, long before the Remaster, and I think more Chrono fans should play it. It's basically just the opening mission of Chrono Cross anyway.

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You know things are bad when the biggest fanpage of the Chrono series (in the west) reverses course on Cross following Kato and Mitsuda's horrendous Q&A for the CC port: https://chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Cross_-_A_Mea_Culpa_for_a_Sea_of_Plot_Holes.html

>>734147307
Can you give a cliffnotes? I'm not reading all that.

>>734147307
Schala was going to accept death, and let Lavos heat death the whole universe, but got super wet by some rando little boy crying in pain, and decided to spit out a clone to help him.
CC story was incredibly stupid, but the CT remake added so much bullshit that it comes off as comedy now.

>>734118179
I thought they fixed the remaster

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>>734147362
Just these excerpts should be a good start:
"To mark the HD remaster of Chrono Cross, Masato Kato and Yasunori Mitsuda began answering fan questions on Square Enix's Twitter account. Unsurprisingly, a large share of the questions were about specific plot points in Chrono Cross that the game never explained. Unfortunately, most of the answers were speculative and almost flippant at times; at worst, they're outright contradictory or silly."

"Kato revealed in that interview that he wrote Radical Dreamers—the precursor to Chrono Cross, in which Kid is similarly de-aged and sent to the future by an unexplained mechanism—as a completely original work, only christening it a sequel to Chrono Trigger after it had been done. This was apparently good enough to copy into the backstory of Chrono Cross when planning the game, evidencing that no real thought was given to the implications or exact way all of this got started."

And then they go over all the plot holes in Cross, pointing out that most of them invalidate the entire reason for the story to even happen, let alone for the game to exist. The conclude that they originally mocked people for wanting an actual Chrono Trigger 2, but now they agree it deserved a real sequel instead of Cross.

>>734147708
>This was apparently good enough to copy into the backstory of Chrono Cross when planning the game, evidencing that no real thought was given to the implications or exact way all of this got started."
Ah, so that's how it happened. Weird. Yeah, Cross would have been a lot better if it was just unashamedly itself rather than forcing itself to eventually become a nonsensical sequel to Trigger.

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Trigger is Cross' only flaw.

Kidd being a blonde was a stupid mistake. Making Schala also blonde was a even stupider mistake, that and making her a kindergartner for some reason.

>>734118078
Yes, but don't listen to the retard claiming it's better than Trigger.

>>734118078
>play Chrono Cross
>touch an enemy
>5 seconds of fireworks for no reason
>5 seconds of the camera zooming out of the overworld
>5 seconds of the camera zooming in on the battle
>5 seconds of the camera panning onto the party
>the camera stops on the party and freezes for a few seconds
>finally, the battle menu appears and you can play the game
>attack once
>the battle is over
>walk 5 steps forward, touch another enemy

All while the most repetitive violin theme plays over and over again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FxUzE_Bizw

>>734120597
>The only reasons to play Cross is its majestic background artwork (nuked both on emulators and in the remaster) and OST you can just find on youtube.
Yes
>That's fucking it. The story is garbage, the combat system is trash, character designs are mostly atrocious, as a followup for Trigger it's beyond retarded.
The game from the beginning up to the first time you fight Lynx is the greatest JRPG on the playstation.
The rest is dogshit, sadly.

the exposition at the end of CC made me wonder if I just speedran the entire game because it really came out of nowhere

>>734120597
>>734148484
>The game from the beginning up to the first time you fight Lynx is the greatest JRPG on the playstation.
I dunno if it's the greatest JRPG on the PSX, but treating the game as a time loop that begins and ends with the Viper Manor sequence is definitely the best and most enjoyable version of Cross.

>>734118078
No.

t. bought it on ps1.

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>>734148068
>Kidd being a blonde was a stupid mistake
I dunno. The earthbound people all had blonde hair. I don't know if it's in the game or I just head canon'd it, but I always thought that blue hair was indicative of the use of Lavos' power and that they were originally blonde haired people. I guess sort of like how Spice in Dune turns your eyes blue.

>>734150085
There was a theory that the royal family dyed their hair blue, but it really doesn't add up thanks to Magus.
Why both Kidd and Schala were blonde is just a giant mystery.

>>734147238
It's an ok track on its own. In fact it's used well in Radical Dreamers. The main thing is context matters and it is the track you will hear the most. It was used well in the context of radical dreamers but I'd rather shit in the context of Chrono Cross

RD is a much better product because it doesn't try to be anything else imo

>>734151715
*But it's used rather shit in CC

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>kino soundtrack
>decent enough story that gets a shitty lore dump at the end
>Janice

>>734118078
no, it's bad.
the gameplay is boring and the translation is hideous.

just listen to the soundtrack, only decent part of this trash game

>>734151341
>Why both Kidd and Schala were blonde is just a giant mystery.
Well, Kid would be blonde because she never used Lavos' power in my head canon. All the earthbound people are blonde, so to me it made sense. It might even be a line in the game somewhere, or maybe I made it up, but I never questioned it and always thought their hair was blue because they used Lavos' power.

>>734152137
>man hands
Also, the demi-humans themselves don't make a lick of sense. It's one of those elements of a story that wasn't tied to CT, but were still put in because racism narrative.

It was amazing.
26 years ago.
When I was 14.

>>734151715
>RD is a much better product because it doesn't try to be anything else imo
Yeah, I agree. When viewed as their whole, I think Radical Dreamers is better than Chrono Cross.

>>734152376
Unc...

>>734119326
Chronic cross.

>>734152404
There are still elements of CC in there that would piss CT fans off though. Grandia Kingdom being destroyed by Porre, Lucca being killed, Magus acting like a mysterious retard because of reasons.
It wouldn't have gone too well even if they continued it.

>>734120597
It's not nuked on emulators if you don't use filters or upscaling. ePSXe and Bleem is what I used to play it on.

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>>734119165
WHAT THE FUCK

>>734118078
No

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>>734118078
Who let Kid go around with such a skimpy shirt?

>>734152596
>There are still elements of CC in there that would piss CT fans off though
I'm a CT fan though and I still thought Radical Dreamers was better than Cross when viewed as their whole.

>>734118078
It's a JRPG, so no. None of them are worth playing.

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>>734148336
The whole sequence between touching an enemy and the menu popping up takes about 7 seconds. Fights contain usually multiple enemies that require more than one hit and you can run past pretty much every enemy. Not to mention that on NG+ you even get an ingame fast forward button. The music is exciting, as BATTLE music should be. It's hilarious how whenever someone criticizes Cross, they have to resort to lies.