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>I am no heretic.
Why should anyone actually believe him at this point considering the warp shit he tanked? Leandros was right.
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there is an entire chapter of guys who get possessed by demons and then drive them out on purpose. And they are still loyal.
Not just warp exposure. Outright demonic possession
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>>734123239
Correct, leandros did NOTHING wrong and
>auhm shoulda gone to the chaplain
Is pure cope in itself and also practical at the situation they were in. They even had to make up a shit story of how the inquiditor was corrupt and hated astartes to make Titus come out better.
Had he not been the makn character we would have thrown his ass into an investigation instantly if he disobeyed the holy space book and seems to have strange relations to the warp
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>>734123297
No, it's not. They have extra indoctrinationg of "WARP BAD" than most Imperials but they aren't specially resistant to Warp energies beyond how their physiology is enhanced against any other physical threats.
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>>734125312
Exorcists are a fringe secretive Chapter that would 100% be put down by the rest of the Imperium if their practices were more widely known. They're covered for by parts of the Inquisition, and that's the only thing keeping them alive.
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>>734123239
The protocol for that is to do it in house, not squeal to the inquisition.
If Leandros made a report to the brass, there would be jack shit Titus could do except immediately try to kill everyone in a scenario where anyone with a brain would be holding a bolter to him, which would prove Leandros right immediately.
The fact that Calgar himself paraphrased the same words Titus said to Leandros about the codex should make it clear that he wasn’t right.
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>>734123239
Its what you want out of a company cop
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>>734125312
I may not be deep enough into the lore but I feel like GW is a little bit schizo about how the imperium treats chaos. On one hand the vast majority doesn't know chaos exists and even space marines get memory wiped if they get exposed to chaos with the exception of the ones specifically made to fight chaos like the ones you mentioned. On the other hand space marines do recognize chaos and fight against it regularly and they're usually not mind wiped as far as I know.
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It'd be kino if for space marine 3 it was revealed that the time he spent in the Realm of Tzeentch in the Warp actually infested a part of his soul and you'd just start manifesting psyker powers, but if you use them too much Tzeentch's grip on your soul grows more and more and this informs whether you get the good or bad ending.
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>>734125853
Yes, that's intentional. The Imperium is a bloated shambling zombie of bureaucracy and misinformation. People often forget that 40k works on a wholly galactic scale, and the Imperium spans from one side of the galaxy to the other. The degree of information someone walks away with can be wholly decided by the whim of whatever Inquisitor shows up to oversee the situation, if one shows up at all. One Inquisitor might write off the whole thing and let the locals believe the Daemons were weird xenos, another might condemn an entire planet to Exterminatus just because a local cult managed to summon a Bloodletter.
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>>734125853
>I feel like GW is a little bit schizo about how the imperium treats chaos
Pretty much. There's even one story where an Ordo hereticus Inquisitor that was sent to root out Chaos corruption in the Black Templars gets executed by his friend to spare him from the Ordo malleus.
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>>734126005
Pray there are never any grey knights around whenever demons show up or else you're fucked even if you're a space marine and have to deal not only with the demon but also the grey knights that want to kill all witnesses.
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>>734126270
Nah, the Inquisitor from SM1 went radical believing all Astartes were traitors. If I remember right he was put down by the Inquisitor who shows up in Boltgun, who opted to just send all the captive Astartes to the Deathwatch rather than deal with the paperwork.
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Nah the other anon was right. Thrax did get hardened against Astartes and wanted further testing of their faith, but his gut had been more right than wrong. Hell, he even got it right regarding Huron Blackheart before the Badab war started. He took some Grey Knights with him to investigate a chapter called the Gray Slayers, found out that they turned to chaos, put them down, and then went on to investigate what made them fall. That's when he got possessed by a demon and purged by the same Grey Knights he brought along with him.
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>>734125923
Boltgun being a boomer shooter means Malum will always be a bit OP, in the same way the SoB in Boltgun 2 will be OP
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We all know Titus is a chaos worshipper
The Imperium knows it too they just prefer to direct this Khorne berserker to kill the enemies of mankind
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>>734127759
If a portal to hell can be opened by a few guys worshipping evil space gods somewhere in a back room you treat every person who even has a hint of that kind of taint with suspicion. Its simply the reality of the universe they live in. They can't afford to let anyone slip or they lose an entire planet or worse
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>>734127759
>What kind of degenerate way of thinking is that?
Chaos corrupts. Even fiercily loyal people can suddenly find themselves, having grown a few extra horns and spicy tattoos, trying to blow up a planet for the good of the "emperor".
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>>734128003
>grey knights don't kill space marines, they're too valuable to be killed off
Literally https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Months_of_Shame
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>>734123239
>survives shit he had no right surviving
>the first thing anyone thinks is that he is a heretic, instead of saying "Holy shit, the emperor has favored you and protected you!"
The imperium of man is a hoax, they don't actually believe the "god"emperor does ANYTHING
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>>734128003
>grey knights don't kill space marines, they're too valuable to be killed off
Is that some nuhammer shit? Because they totally would if ordered to.
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>>734128559
they don't kill space marines if they can avoid it, the Inquisition ordering them is a different matter entirely
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>>734129454
>why is it that by default nobody believes it was his doing if a miracle happens?
They do believe miracles come from him but they won't default to believing that any given suspicious circumstances are miracles.
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>>734129613
Is it suspicious if a servant of the empire survives corruption? Wouldn't that be automatically assumed that pious, zealous and faithful servants would receive more grace and protection than some footsoldiers?
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>>734129872
>Is it suspicious if a servant of the empire survives corruption?
Obviously. Chaos seeps into the mind and twists your way of thinking. Every encounter with it irreversibly leaves taint on you. The Eisenhorn books are very good at depicting how it doesn't really matter how pious you are and that only exceptional willpower and self reflection can slow the corruption.
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>>734123239
Chaos is based
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>>734123239
Leandros is simply the proper baseline of how paranoid Space Marines ought to be due to the nature of the setting.
This is a setting in which Chaos Space Marines gradually infiltrated a chapter over thousands of years just to one day activate all the double agents and slaughter everyone. This is a setting in which one dude waited under a rock for a thousand years waiting for another dude to walk by so he could stab him. This is a setting in which many agents of Chaos aren't even aware they're advancing the ways of Chaos, only reaching the realization/revelation at the end of the line when it's far too late to backtrack. If someone before the Horus Heresy pitched the idea of the Emperor's godlike sons possibly being prone to corruption he would've been called an utter madman, yet half of them fell to Chaos.
If Leandros was slotted into the average Chaos Space Marine novel, in 80% of situations his autistic suspicion would end the Chaos plot before it could even do any damage. And despite the friendly fire this can cause (which is what happens to Titus) that kind of suspicion is still absolutely worth it, even though Leandros is wrong and Titus simply has the same plot armor given to loyalist primarchs and chapter masters.
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Are there laws in the Imperium against certain aesthetics that look too evil or daemonic? Because there are a lot of evil and daemonic looking people in service of the Imperium that it can be hard to tell if they're a chaos worshipper or not
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>>734130682
I don't care, I'm only arguing whether they believe it's possible for the emperor to have intervened or not.
If they were as autistically religious as they pretend to be, they should take it as a sign and moraleboost whenever anyone survives impossible odds
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>>734130823
>Are there laws in the Imperium against certain aesthetics that look too evil or daemonic?
Yeah, the laws of physics. If you look at them and the symbols seem to violate those and start moving you know something's not right.
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>>734127759
warp god sissy hypno works regardless of whether or not you want it to work on you
not everybody is a named character with infinite willpower, even those who are fiercely loyal may have their mind subverted by chaos simply by being in its presence
not even muhreens are immune to this, it's why the imperium has a no-tolerance policy on exposure to chaos and will mulch entire guard regiments if the situation is even a little weird
frankly speaking, you kind of just have to be this paranoid and quick to judge if you want your empire to last for over 10,000 years
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>Yes, that's intentional.
When you have about 3 decades of fluff with various rewrites you get inconsistencies like
>necrons were chaos androids but actually are terminators but actually are enslaved by gods but actually are enslavers of their own gods and feudal engrams and some are female but none of the first party models, also the terminators still exist but they're called destroyers
>marines are self defeating but primaris now means they're super soldiers who can power past their self destruction
>for every soldier the guard recruits, it makes 2 heretics, executes 3 for making eye contact with the commissar, all the commanders like Creed believe in equality, and everyone is perfectly diverse and female, and that's before billions die being sent to fight an ork dreadnought with paperclips and flashlights
>the imperium is over 10,000 years old, practices non-renewable farming, and blows up populated worlds for fun
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Sometimes I read 40k lore that says the Grey Knights kill everyone who comes in contact with any amount of chaos, sometimes I read 40k lore where the guard fighting daemons with shovels is just a regular tuesday and they were briefed about it ahead of time. They are making it up as they go along. Nobody gives a shit. Buy more toys eh wot.
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>>734125853
I would say over time it's drifted more towards more people knowing chaos exists and knowing more about chaos but yeah they're still a bit schizo about it
We'll see how it goes in the Cavil Amazon thing, I imagine anything shown in that is going to become pretty hard canon.
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>>734130823
No
Inquisitors and other characters basically say "I just know" when asked how they can tell if someone's evil
Too much of the setting now depicts the Imperium as dressing, acting and looking just like the badguys, to the point where it kind of sucks if you like Chaos, or especially if you preferred how Chaos looked in the days gone by
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Anon is wrong, there's no skull measuring in the Imperium
The Imperium simultaneously finds mutants revolting to the point where merely gazing upon one makes you wish death upon it but is fine with ogryns, ratlings, dysgenics, and racial differences
They're also trans inclusive so gender oddities are fine too even if it used to be the major tell for Slaanesh worshippers back in books written in the 2000s, sexual deviancy is also probably fine too
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>The Imperium simultaneously finds mutants revolting to the point where merely gazing upon one makes you wish death upon it but is fine with ogryns, ratlings, dysgenics, and racial differences
Are you retarded? Abhumans, even sanctioned abhumans, regularly face pogroms and discrimination.
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>>734132686
>Too much of the setting now depicts the Imperium as dressing, acting and looking just like the badguys,
The trends of flanderization has made Chaos more cartoony and the Imperium LESS horrifying, not more. The Imperium has regularly been depicted with tons of ghastly body horror barely a shade away from what you get with Chaos.
Chaos is just getting gayer and gayer.
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Oh, sorry
The Imperium is full of people who commit pogroms against humans who look like a cartoonified Norf FC supporter or humans who have names like Frodo and Samwise, because it is grimdark,
but if your skin is light, dark, yellow, red, your body tall or short, your nose hooked or roman, or your family tree a circle, you are male or female or defective, your sexual preferences different or your appearance non-conforming, the Imperium would never, ever, do anything naughty towards you
Is that better?
The RPGs used to make out that "voidborn", aka super-white people were distrusted by anyone but themselves, because they're weird like some gaunt gamer who has never seen the sun and only lives inside a car travelling from place to place, but this is outlawed today as shown in Owlcat's Rogue Trader
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>>734133569
You have no mechanical penalty for playing voidborn
You suffer no detriment for playing voidborn
You are in a perfectly diverse and feminist setting where there are omegalul levels of racism and gas chambers, and it asks you to take this seriously
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Does Leandros know more than the XIIIth son of the Emperor Himself? Guilliman seems to trust him enough to name him Captain of the 2nd Company and reclaim the worlds of the Ultramar Empire.
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>>734134176
>Does Leandros know more than the XIIIth son of the Emperor Himself?
girlyman can be stupid sometimes, but in regards to Titus Leandros is being a bit of a spaz.
>the stain of suspicion never truly fades
Okay but 100 years in Deathwatch is good enough for me. It's also a bit bullshit that the initial accusation was leveled because he WASN'T corrupted; witch trial, lose-lose logic.
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>>734126005
> The degree of information someone walks away with can be wholly decided by the whim of whatever Inquisitor shows up to oversee the situation
Reminder the Tyranids would have wiped out Ultramar and made their way to Terra if one Inquisitor hadn’t bothered to figure out why there was a trail of dead worlds for some reason.
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It's a woman but GW can't sculpt women's faces for shit
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And eavy metal painting style doesn't help cover it up one iota.
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>>734123297
Part of the Exorcist's rituals to become a full Space Marine is becoming possessed by a daemon and the guy has to exorcise himself through sheer force of will. Needless to say this is an extremely super duper top secret practice and the Exorcists are the Ordo Malleus' "the Grey Knights aren't available for this job" chapter.
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>>734123375
>Does what a chaplain does
>Gets promoted to chaplain
Leandros did nothing wrong other than interpret the codex like a chaplain instead of an Ultramarine. Really it was being in the wrong role in the first place
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>>734142739
It's kept as a "dark evil force" because the mere knowledge of chaos existing and wanting to know more about it is enougth to corrupt a normal human
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>>734130307
>This is a setting in which Chaos Space Marines gradually infiltrated a chapter over thousands of years just to one day activate all the double agents and slaughter everyone.
Which chapter?
>This is a setting in which one dude waited under a rock for a thousand years waiting for another dude to walk by so he could stab him.
Who?
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Who says it isn't? They just take all the surviving guardsmen, slap a letter "I" in their helmets and send them on a "glorious countercrusade" were attrition will kill them in a week whilst doing something useful
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>reports his captain directly to the inquisition and not a chaplain potentially compromising chapter autonomy
>doesnt report himself despite being around chaos just as much as titus
>doesn’t tell anyone what happened
Leandrosfags really are pathetic subhumans.
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>>734123239
By the Emperor I want a Space Marine game where I drop a power hammer strike on a Battlesuit so bad bros. I just want to kill sentient xenos is all.
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>>734130307
Isn’t it also the setting where the chaos gods feed on people’s paranoia and manipulate them into being corrupted? Like say if some guy did something fucked up out of spite and has to spend years trying to justify what he did to himself as he is slowly proven wrong and revealed to be a fraud. Until eventually the voices come in and tell him to just doing stupid shit to take down his hate idol and culminates in him just going full chaos retard and being gunned down by the nearest named astartes without a helmet.
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>>734144450
Emotions alone won't make you corrupt. There needs to be some kind of catalyst like a tainted artifact, gaining knowledge of chaos or being around someone else with knowledge of chaos. People don't generally hear voices unless they have a possessed artifact or are unsanctioned psykers.
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>>734123239
We can never be sure
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>>734125853
>and even space marines get memory wiped if they get exposed to chaos with the exception of the ones specifically made to fight chaos like the ones you mentioned.
Depends on how progressive your local Inquisition is
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>Are there laws in the Imperium against certain aesthetics that look too evil or daemonic?
No, pic related are die hard Loyalist
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There's nothing wrong with being a heretic actually
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What does he even want?
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>>734123239
Maybe they should take his word for it since he's a captain and just saved the planet. Hell the Blood Ravens are still there. I'm sure they would vouch for him as they witnessed him literally kill a daemon prince.
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I want a DMC style cuhrazee action game where you play as either en Emperor's Champion or a Custodes. Just crazy melee blender action.
Titus and bros are a bit too sluggish Gears of War type for my taste.