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why do he do it
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>>734133386
Rich, super rich, likes scaring the poor people into madness.
He's a terrorist, super speed, super strength and a recoilless rod for an arm is his thing. Anything to scare and terrorize people like Grace.
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>>734133870
When you're that fucked up on money, power, and terrorism, you'd press any needle into your neck if it came out of a glowing piston.
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I have played every mainline Resident Evil and have no idea who this guy was, like a Wesker clone obviously, but that's it? He was just supposed to be le ebin red herring? They set him up as this big deal and then he's just killed off.
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>>734134285
Leon just killed an entire species of homo sapiens and shrugged because they were degenerates relying on viruses he himself suffered from.
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>>734134545
Wesker isn't that stupid to go butt ass naked into god's garden looking for the second apple. Leon and Grace are that dumb sure, but not the real Wesker. I'd be embarrassed too if my clone couldn't figure out something so obvious.
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>this bioweapon is actually a bioweapon vaxx
>old evil cunt comes out to say how much he’s down for this new bioweaponless utopia
>immediately stabs grace and tries to kill leon
Can’t help but feel like this is a talk it out moment, victor
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>>734135539
Wearing an overcoat with your arms not in the sleeves is effeminate and faggy. Noone can pull this off in real life because it ALWAYS subconsciously invokes the imagery that a stronger cooler man wrapped it around your shoulders to keep your dainty feminine shoulders from getting wet
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>>734134949
The point is that he can survive it. It's metastable, but with drugs it's controllable. Many people say Wesker couldn't bond with Uroboros either but that's not true either. Also if you look at RE6 they needed his son's antibodies to create a vaccine for the C-virus which was another virus derived from Progenitor.
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>>734135730
There is no known cure, and besides, their goal is to control, not wipe out. You're thinking of Albert "ERMAHGERD" Wesker.
Other markers, like gait, eyes, any genetic information left behind.
Missiles are irrelevant. They want to CONTROL, not destroy, the ENTIRE PLANET, not just the nearest person or city you can threaten.
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Why does he look like Renoir? I half expected he was going to take Grace to the paintress
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>>734135907
It's not Elpis
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>>734135907
That's known only by the people present in the ending. Keep up, nigger. If Zeno had managed to best Leon, Grace, AND Gideon after learning that, and then getting out alive WITH samples, then maybe.
But he already addresses that by being so buttmad about it not being a "weapon". The Connections wanted mind control virus, not cure for mind control virus and zombie virus and kaiju virus and and and and
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>>734135913
>RE5 Remake comes out
>Replaces all the Africans with deformed Wesker clones
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>>734136067
The Maniji believed in a master race. They were supremacists like Wesker, but they only believed the strongest of their tribes should survive. In a way, Wesker and the Maniji were the same culture, it's just that Wesker didn't want to be a white supremacist, he wanted to be a bioweapon supremacist.
Zeno genuinely wants poor people that can't afford viruses like the mutated T-Virus to die. He's a literal supernazi that will try and eradicate anyone that isn't superhuman in the name of his ultra-nationalist corporatist zionism.
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>>734135773
>Wearing an overcoat with your arms not in the sleeves is effeminate and faggy. Noone can pull this off in real life because it ALWAYS subconsciously invokes the imagery that a stronger cooler man wrapped it around your shoulders to keep your dainty feminine shoulders from getting wet
Is this really how the average kid posts these days? Are you retardmaxxing?
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>>734135579
The one thing I stand by in this game's stupid fucking plot is the choice to have Zeno go completely unexplained
there literally isn't one needed. Just by virtue of being there everyone knows what's up and it doesn't matter why. The characters know it. We know it. He's just some clone of Wesker who runs upper management for the Connections. We don't need to know anything else. And as far as the plot goes he pretty much just exists to die to Elpis and keep Icky Vicky alive be the final boss.
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>Clone Weskers
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>>734136067
Zesty
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>>734137096
won't be suprised. they made an entire AI for the human soldiers leon fought in ARK that was capable of taking cover, flanking you and working in teams of two to pin you down and you only ever fight them twice.
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>>734137096
Hunk escapes is one. I personally would rather they waste no time on this shit. If it's not there on release let it go. I hate this shit when single player games like this get 30 minute DLC 6 months after you are done with a game and it just retreads areas you went to and always has a bullshit mechanic to pad out length
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literally what basis did Sic Vic have to think elpis was some sort of mind control power? Seems completely made up.
I get that Zeno got gaslit by him, not his fault.
If Spencer really wanted to atone and push out a cure why would it destroy itself with the wrong password? Shouldn't it be some unstoppable antiviral that can spread itself around the world eradicating all T Virus mutations?
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>>734137525
He made this slop scene entertaining based on his charisma alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-6AEF7mmyc
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Trying to wrap my head around what the fuck that story was, it was both kinda retarded and kinda kino.
>Spencer basically got retconned into being Oppenheimer who regrets all the damage his work has caused the world
>Creates Elpis which is basically the ultimate anti-BOW drug but fabricates a whole story about how its able to control minds
>Adopts Grace from the hundreds of research children as a final act of kindness and "hope"
>Makes the password something only Alyssa/Grace would know so only they can set Elpis free
>If it's somebody else, the facility immediately self-destructs as a final "fuck you" to people stealing his work
>Temu Wesker and The Connections find out about Grace and Elpis
>They think Grace is somehow a literal genetic key to Elpis because Spencer, completely overthinking it
>Gives massive amounts of resources to Victor to figure out how they're linked, they create a bunch of clones of Grace
>Somewhere Victor learns the truth that there's nothing special about Grace, and Elpis is just an anti-BOW drug, not mind control
>Completely twists Spencer's intentions by coming to the conclusion that Elpis should be weaponized, since superpowers are all reliant on BOW's now
It kind of half makes sense but like most RE things its kinda dumb.
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>>734135112
>Waiting outside the hospital for hours while Gideon tries to convince Grace
>Waiting for hours inside the facility for Grace and Leon
>Only acts aggressive after someone attacks him first
Was this guy even a villain?
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>>734137698
you're only half right
Sadler and Illuminados were independent and not related to Connections. And they wanted her to infect the president so they could rule the world.
that's the whole reason Ada was there, to steal a plagas egg so they could reverse engineer the tech. If they were affiliated at all with Sadler that would be unnecessary.
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>another game where they add a villain, this time 2 and kill them off immediately
Not Wesker not dying and being spun as a sympathetic almost good guy would have been better for the series long term then you could have played him off with Chris well who would hate working with him and be distrustful.
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>>734137781
What doesn’t make sense to me is why Spencer and Alyssa went to such lengths to conceal the way to release Elpis if releasing it is a good thing and is what Spencer wanted. Wouldn’t it have been a bigger middle finger to the people who screwed him over to tell them the password while he was alive and see the looks on their faces when their plans are fucked? The way he went about it made it very unlikely that Elpis would ever be released at all.
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>>734138357
At least death is a resolution, eternal reminder that Revelations 2 ended on a megaton cliffhanger that they've done nothing with for over a DECADE
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>>734137781
>since superpowers are all reliant on BOW's now
are they? is this ever mentioned before this moment where Gideon says it? Is the world gripped by MGS4 style proxy war manipulation everywhere or something? Even 6 which has you on full mobilizations of special BSAA units it never feels like more than a terrorist attack. If anything I only ever got the impression that all the world superpowers had united to create multiple task forces for eliminating BOWs and nothing else.
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>>734138604
I bet they tried many times to make a 3rd one and gave up or took what they had and made it a main line game. At some point we were months away from a Rev 3 starring Rebecca made for Nintendo then that vanished
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>>734138627
I thought it was just an excuse to give Leon a timer and to increase the drama. Leon didn't even know Elpis was a cure until the very end (maybe this ties in to the "blind hope" themes) and giving him ligma only affects the gameplay at the end too.
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>>734138659
The geopolitics of BOW is one of those things the games briefly touch on, but its never in the focus, might be intentional because Capcom feels that goes too much into MGS territory, but I've always liked it. I remember that CGI movie Damnation had soldiers using devices to mind control Lickers
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>>734139003
Bro its been a billion years, they probably found a way to stabilize it while he was a test tube baby or because he dies like a bitch they way scaled back the scope of the virus or some other bullshit for the sake of not needing to be constantly hopped up on it, who fucking knows who fucking cares, this game has way bigger issues then clone wesker needing his zombie chemotherapy
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>>734139485
>It was never about powers. In 3.5 it made him hallucinate shit that could kill him.
They did consider the idea of him getting a parasite arm in at least one of the 3.5 versions, the idea ended up being used for Krauser instead
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>>734140002
Well it was a fun mystery for a couple of days
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>>734140353
It makes sense when we knew the outcome first and not the steps first since this easter egg was solved backwards first. Without knowing about the doll none of this shit makes sense. It's like a Call of Duty Zombies easter egg on steroids. None of this was solved without datamining . The way the guy is talking in the video is not describing logic but back end flags you need to turn on
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>>734140416
>is he saying "flag check" as in the hidden value the game is using to check the flag and spawn the doll at that last part?
Yes. The dataminers knew about the doll by fucking with checks in the code. It was kinda shitty how this wasn't found naturally people just used the code to find the result and worked backwards from there
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>>734140493
Has it been solved front to back at this point? I'm curious what the intended way to solve the puzzle was. I have no idea how you'd figure out how to do any of that shit. Hell, I was completely stumped at the "Let's play" step and I love cryptic puzzle games.
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>>734140469
You spend 40 minutes at the start of RE7 doing stealth with no weapons, plus the party roon
Grace has no weapons for 5 minutes at the start of care center and that's it, she has weapons for the entire rest of the game after that
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>>734140668
We counting intros as gameplay now?
The birthday escape room is way better than anything Grace has.
It's a completely seperate section that isn't a boring amnesia knockoff where you crouchwalk and try to get enemies to turn around which is Grace's entire gameplay
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>>734140704
On the other hand, flushing a random fucking toilet 8 times is not a """puzzle""".
So it's a kettle calling a pot a negro kinda situation.
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>>734140632
This is the intended way I think because the logic is you are creating more blood to push that doll through. The guy was just an autist talking about "checks" over and over. If you ever played COD Zombies they have bullshit puzzles like this too
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>>734140945
I don't mean just the specific steps to solve the puzzle, I'm curious what was the train of logic players were supposed to follow to get there. Also, that still doesn't explain the toilet or the code at the end.
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>>734140940
The first section with the hag isn't an intro since you can die retard.
i'll defend 7's enemies if my opponent is a gracefag, the only actual enemies grace fights are zombies which are just that, generic zombies that get stunned with headshots, the molded are unironically scarier enemies since they don't get stunned by headshots
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There is a picture in game that hints about it . Also there is a file that talks about filling the tank with 115 bodies so you don't have to wait 15 minutes just sit here and count and I think the conveyor belt is fast so it's more like 2 minutes.
What's bullshit is thinking why would you do this. Without knowing about the doll's position you would never consider doing any of this shit. It makes sense after you know about the doll not before. The toilette thing also needed to have an audio cue when you did it
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>>734141159
>generic zombies
>with multiple behavior types, some with weapons, and all will punish you if you excessively kill them by turning into blisterheads
Also Jack can kill you in the first section before you get a pistol, so guess that's not an intro segment.
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>>734141140
>I'm curious what was the train of logic players were supposed to follow to get there. Also, that still doesn't explain the toilet or the code at the end.
I think they were just trying to copy COD Zombies honestly which has even worse cases of "this shit doesn't make any sense"
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Any time ARK was mentioned I thought of Ark Thompson and was hoping he would show up since he is friends with Leon
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>>734141334
The zombies have pipes, clevers etc.
The singers can attack you at range, the blind zombies have some pipe and can be used to attack other zombies and so on.
And again, blisterheads alone make them far more interesting than moldmen
You are an insanely disingenous bitter dumb fuck that probably just sucks at the game, probably games in general
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>>734141503
i already beat this shit, don't pull that card on me faggot.
ohh yeah the singer broke the windows in that one room, i shot her dead just like any other zombie, the zombie behavior is seriously overhyped these are just generic zombies no different than 2R except for the zombies in 2R are actually scary since they get up again most of the time
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>pick up severed hand
>huh I wonder what this does
>finish section and notice it has a checkmark indicating its use has passed
>try to scan it in the analyser on second playthrough
>mfw
You wouldn't get it
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The toilet thing with the solution being "the dead guy next to the toilet in the file from the beginning of the game had the number 8 next to him so flush a later toilet 8 times" is a little too esoteric for me personally but these things are supposed to be solved by numerous players collectively over a longer period of time, data mining the solution immediately then manipulating the result without proper sequencing just sucks the fun out of it. Not everything is supposed to be solved immediately by one guy.
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>>734141728
The issue with this easter egg is it completely made sense if you are an autist like me who did almost every COD Zombies easter egg and am use to the idea of doing a bunch of unrelated random shit leads to a goal but to your average player this looks like nonsense
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I want to try a 2nd playthrough under 4hours.
Does the cutscenes count in the runtime ? If not, I would like to stream it to a friend. If it does count then I would have to skip all of them and play it again on my own.
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>>734141728
I'm not opposed to the idea of this kind of cryptic puzzle, but if the video posted above is correct, it's good this one just got datamined to death. It seems like the toilet flushing thing only works after letting the bodies get ground up, and it only works on a specific toilet which seems to have no indication that this is the special one. Players could have tested doing everything related to the number eight with the toilets and reasonably concluded that it's a nothingburger just because they didn't do it on the exact right toilet in the exact right part of the sequence. That's just bad puzzle design, even if you're trying to make an extremely cryptic ARG-style puzzle.
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>>734138050
>That's not even really a retcon or at least not a significant one since RE5
It is significant since this is writing him as a completely different character now. I don't get why people downplay this as "not a big deal" or "it fits perfectly", his literal last moments are him screaming about how hew as to be a God.
When the Alyssa interview happens, chronologically, he was sending Alex something like 10,000 test subjects for his immortality experiments.
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>>734141964
In previous RE games, time in inventory and map does count toward your time, but time in the official pause screen and cutscenes do not. I haven't checked for this game specifically, but I doubt they would change that.
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don't bother with this guy I've seen him already today I'm guessing the last requiem thread he was in ended so he came here to parrot his same nonsense about "It's like Amnesia and Outlast!" over and over.
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>>734142198
Casual run: don't heal or pick up the blood collector.
That nets you a very easy 70k. Casual has regen health when in danger territory and I don't believe anything one hits you at the point you heal back to on it.
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>>734142208
>And the time spent as Leon is longer than the entirety of RE7
bait, why do gracefags hate 7 so much anyway?
It's the foundation of your new shit game.
is it third worlders not being able to handle first person?
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I will try to see official sources considering the cutscene part then, thanks.
Also, is there a new game plus ? If so, will the 4 hour run count through it ?
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>>734142359
The average reported time for RE7 by autists who play vidya exclusively to see how long a game is says otherwise. RE7 hits about 10.5, RE9 is about 12
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>>734142359
Wrong and wrong retard, you don't have to lie you know.
7 is about a third longer than one playthrough of 2R which is around 8 or 9 hours.
Even then the bad parts of 7 are not nearly as shit as the bad parts of Grace
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>>734142472
So I can get the 35 000 PC for doing the 4 hour run even with things from the completition shop ?Did my 1st run on PC, wondering if I should just use mods at this point just to get the interesting stuff, but I also want to try a new run
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>>734142376
I will say that it's pretty inadvisable to go for the speedrun cheevo on your second playthrough. I haven't done it for this one, but I usually get the speedrun cheevo for each RE game that has one. Based on my experience with those, to get within the time window you need to be comfortable with skipping most of the optional stuff, know exactly where you're going, and constantly beeline objectives. All of that is pretty hard to do with only one playthrough's worth of experience.
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>>734134202
He's a member of The Connections, the shadowy crime syndicate that deals in bioweapons, introduced in RE7. Mia was a member of this group initially (she was a researcher on the tanker and developed Eveline before it crashed), and they also backed TRICELL, The Family, the Four Houses, and were rivals to Umbrella.
Zeno stylized himself as the second coming of Albert Wesker, but he was just an imitation. He wanted Elpis because of its supposed mind-control ability, never stopping to think and analyze exactly what he obtained (and then injected into himself). Victor calls him what he really is, just a copycat.
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>>734142702
I'm more scared of inventory than I am of the game :(
I have like 4 hemolytic injectors I've not used so far. And I feel like I've wasted so much handgun ammo. The conference room had me use like 20 bullets + a knife
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7's playtime is padded heavily by how slow Ethan moves, so if you go the wrong way you have to turn his snail ass around. It is not very difficult to achieve a sub 2 hour glitchless run on RE7, meanwhile such a feat is actually impossible in 9 unless sequence breaks or other glitches are discovered, and the world record will probably be like 2:25 or something
>RE2R
Yes RE2R is one of the shortest RE games when you know what you're doing, the difference between it and 7 is 2R is actually fun
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>>734142879
>No one thinks crouchwalking and backstabbing enemies is a good direction for the series
brother tell me what the fuck any of the direction for this series is? Every few games we get an entirely new gameplay loop. Stop revealing this to be the first RE you've ever played.
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>>734142947
resource management and inventory progression + power fantasy.
If Grace got some bug guns by the second act i wouldn't be hating but her gameplay only gets worse with the stealth shit when you exit the care center
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Is this game worth the price tag? I played the shit out of Re2/3 on the PS and I played 4 a few times but the rest seem kind of gay. I have nothing to play until my suspension in WoW for being racist to the mexicans is uplifted. Wind Rose is good but it's only a demo and I'm not going to spend any more time on it until EA.
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>>734143292
>Re3 on the Ps
>Do you mean the remake?
No you zoomer fucking mutt pay attention to what is being said.
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This is what I figured. People are saying the gameplay is 8-15 hours depending and that it is not enough to justify the 70 dollar price tag for me. 20 years ago I'd spent $30 and get a 100 hour game.
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>>734143378
You are delusional, but fortunately your kicking and screaming won't stop this from being the new core formula as it becomes the biggest critical and financial success in the series since the original RE4
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RPD>Bakers house>the village in 8>>>>>>>>>the care center
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>>734143562
Japanese have radiation poisoning.
>play game normal style
>oh, a wesker clone, that means there's probably tons of these niggas
>ARG cod zombies puzzle
>BUAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA LETS PLAY! WHO KNOWS WHAT IT MEANS!?!? STAY TUNED GUYS! ITS A MYSTERY!
Resident Evil so badly wants to be the idealized realization of PT its embarassing
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The singers are genuinely unfair. There should not be an enemy this tanky in a resident evil game. There is no reason I need MORE THAN 16 BULLETS WITH 3 STABILIZER INJECTIONS to kill one with all perfect precision headshots
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>>734143460
Yeah, thank Nintendo and their cultists for normalizing this bullshit. I can't even recommend it to die hards at that price just for Grace's sections alone. They tried to do the classic RE gameplay for her but it just turns into slow stealth slogs.
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>Leon is now T-virus healed
>he also now loses his Sayajin/VideogameMainCharacter Powers
I guess getting a mild T-Virus Infection is like changing your Gender to female and breaking one Female Sports World Record after another.
With enough training, you can now improve yourself a little bit more.
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>>734138502
I can think of a couple of reasons
>Spencer knew his company was infiltrated on every level and didn't know who to trust with handling Elpis, so he just let it stay there
>Elpis was completed around the time everything went to hell and he could no longer do anything about it
>Spencer was fucking crazy and flip flopped between wanting to make amends and becoming a god
>Spencer forgot about it
Honestly I think the easiest thing would have been to state that Elpis needed at least three decades in the oven before it could be powerful enough to wipe out Progenitor, so Spencer had no other choice but to hope that it would be found by the right people at the right time. It's an insane shot in the dark, but hey, this was the same guy who found that only 1 in like 100000 test subjects could become a Tyrant and thought "we can work with that".
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>>734143706
Idk if it's retards or capcom to blame at this point but Slow shambling zombies that kill you with one bad bite, a gun with 3 and a half bullets in it, and actual tight hallways would be such a nice change of pace
>we've gone back to our roots
>the roots: 8-10 aggressive RE4 zombies in a "hallway" you could drive a grain harvester through
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>Yeah, thank Nintendo and their cultists for normalizing this bullshit
U wot
Sony is the one that set $70 as the recommended price for games back with the ps5
Activision and EA then brought those practices to PC
Nintendo didn't jump on $70 until Tears of the Kingdom
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I hate random bullshit values like how every now and then you get a free get out of jail free card that Grace pushes the zombie away before it bites you or your pistol randomly does a crit hit. Give me some indicator of that
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>>734144090
"Modern" games have more RNG than the Binding of Isaac now with trillions of dice rolling to determine if Grace gets scared and lets out a fart or trips on a shoelace or a headshot instantly kills or does as close to 0 damage as possible. It's infuriating
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>>734144218
I also hate how zombies are randomly tanky. When you get the chainsaw the first time all the zombies you fight with Leon are tanky for some reason
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There is some form of it. You never completely run out of items the game rewards you if you need help and after multiple playthroughs I noticed some items may or may not appear depending on need
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When you get to the area in Racoon City where you find the BSAA tent how the fuck do you get back to the earlier part of the city. I know you can because you get the key to open the containers but I could not find the way to do it
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>>734144505
Isn't what makes Nemesis special is he is a tyrant you can program to kill specific targets? In what was was he like that? He was just a normal looking dude I don't think he exhibited abnormal strength.
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there's this sort of construction site that needs a fuel can to enter, one you pass through that, it'll lead you to an area with a bunch of enemies and a manhole cover. climb down the manhole and you'll eventually get back to the subway again but an unexplored area. the route will lead you back to the starting area
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>>734144505
That's because the one from 3 was a Tyrant, which are dumb and only follow simple orders (the parasite increasing their intelligence slightly). I don't know what Gideon is, maybe the parasite also mutated him physically but it's like he's a Tyrant with his mental faculties in-tact and also having a Nemesis parasite on top of that.
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>>734144283
Of course it has Adaptive Difficulty, that's been a thing for YEARS.
Been playing too smart and have plenty of ammo? Lol, time for a Blisterhead with infinite health (until you get back down to /acceptable/ ammo qualities) camping a key item!
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>>734144829
I understand why they do it. Same reason why games have recharging health. Because it's a lot of hard work to really sit there and gauge whats acceptable item placement to make the game not too easy and not too hard but it's bullshit. Devs can patch games later on if people whine that there isn't enough ammo and health items
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>>734144520
Hatch in a construction site north of the BSAA camp. Need the gas can to access it.
>>734144991
You'd never have enough to pop every zombie. The one you don't will Blisterhead at the worst possible moment. At least they take a minute to wig out and mutate so you can usually just run 90% of the time.
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>>734135773
When I was growing up there was an old man that owned a tailor shop no one used because it was a mob front and he dressed like that and pulled it off because everyone knew he would have no issues killing you
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>>734143106
I feel the same. If they made the last half of the game Grace getting geared up and not being scared anymore and getting more access to weapons like a grenade launcher or SMG it wouldve been kino. The fact that an FBI agent has to still stealth until the end while a 19 year old searching for her brother doesnt is kinda insane
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>literally 10-15 pistol shots to head in order to kill a regular zombie
>can't shoot legs for kick+melee because legs also require 10+ shots
at that point they could've just removed all guns and made it a hide and seek game
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>>734135824
He and the Tyrant are there just to show what the Connections have at their disposal. They’re essentially Umbrella+ at this point, and I mean the cool Umbrella from that period in the franchise history that barely anyone here is old enough to remember, when they were wrapped in mystery, and all we knew about Umbrella was a cool logo and some journals and letters here and there.
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>>734145210
I only remember one zombie turn into a blister head as grace and I was playing on classic, aside from scripted sequences. I feel like the mechanic was under-utilized but maybe I just got lucky. I also didn't kill every zombie because they made them exceedingly easy to get around with the push mechanic in this.
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I hate how almost every boss has a chase sequence where shooting it is pointless and you have to wait for the "kill the boss" objective to know now you can start shooting. Back in the day in RE 3 you would be rewarded for killing a boss early when running away was an option
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One thing I’ll admit is that he genuinely didn’t talk down or belittle Grace. He genuinely just wanted to know the password and didn’t even flip his lid at her when Leon pulled that stunt in the ark. OG Wesker wouldn’t have been so kind.
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>>734144670
Yeah but as far as we know you can't be a baseline human and survive having the parasite. You already need to be a tyrant or have some kind of super virus to be able to handle it. Gideon is this big tall grey dude so it would be strange if he wasn't some kind of tyrant adjacent BOW himself.
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>>734144815
The goal of the tyrant was to have a BOW that was intelligent and can work independently, so it would make sense for the Tyrant development to eventually reach a point where they are equal to an adult human instead of just "pretty close" like MrX and Nemesis.
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>>734145449
I never did once. Not joking. I always saved my injectors and ended up having way too many by the end of the game because I never encountered a scenario where I felt like I 'needed' to use it. Now I know to just use them whenever. Also I take that back I did get one or two to spawn in the basement, but pretty much never in the ground or upper level of the care center.
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>>734137183
No he wasn’t, have you actually watched it? He spent the whole time being bitched out and disrespected by his cunty daughters, despite bending over backward to accommodate them, the autistic clone was a walking Olive Garden ad (BREADSTICKS), and the “real” Wesker is in it for all of two minutes, says very little, and looked like my 6th grade social studies teacher cosplaying (very poorly) as Blade.
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>>734145010
That's Uroboros. The prototype virus that Wesker used reportedly had a 90% success rate. The only reason they didn't mass produce it is because they didn't want thousands of uncontrolled weskers running around.
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>>734145595
>BOW that was intelligent and can work independently
But also one that wouldn't question orders. They could never be too intelligent. They just wanted a super soldier that would mindlessly follow orders (but still smart enough to carry out said orders). I feel like Gideon is a unique thing, probably derived from Tyrant research but his intelligence is completely in-tact. It also never explained why he has scars now, in the photo where he's younger he's just pale with yellow eyes and still massive but none of the crazy scarring. I think this game by far has the most unanswered questions and convoluted plot in the series. It's actually insane how far in that direction this game goes.
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>spencer wuz actually a gud boi IT WAS ALL THE CONNECTIONS!!!!
People don't realize how much of asspull this is
>OG RE1
>He is a sociopath shit head CEO
>OG RE2 & RE3
>Ditto but he sways massive power on a national level
>RE CV & RE0
>Sociopathy taken to next levels fucks over Markus and old man Ashford to take control of the company all by himself
>his acts just kept escalating through more games with shit such as project Wesker etc
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I hope Chris gets a boas fight with another Wesker clone in the dlc and just unceremoniously kills him off with some one liner like "you'll never be him"
Before the end of dlc reveal that Wesker has a true blood memoey clone
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>>734146486
He's not good though
He had a short moment of lucidity and humanity because his favorite test subject, Chloe, who he started seeing as a person died in the incident we see the flashback of. So he made a non infected clone so that she could live a normal life.
Spencer likely expected Elpis to never be released, but he made it as a fuck you to all of his back stabbing subordinates, where if they ever dragged Grace into the conflict she would be the trigger that ruins all of the people who stole his research and viruses
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>>734146778
This, I never got the feeling the game tried to whitewash Spencer at all. What he did was just peak old man energy
>You think I'm a bad guy? Fuck you, I will make my final work be the thing that undermines all my previous work just to spite you
The whole thing about having regrets late in life and feeling a desperate need to turn a new leaf is something that happens
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What you're missing is that he was a Nemesis.
The way they worked Nemesis was to implant a parasite into a body that took over brain functions.
Gideon is a symbiotic Nemesis, in the years since they have found a way to infect someone with the Nemesis parasite without causing brain death in the subject.
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you know zeno being a temu wesker and even gideon saying he's just a copycat
him and wesker being a clone of THE real wesker might be what capcom's plan after they wasted him in re5
because i have no fucking idea why they bring this guy into the game other than jobbing in the true end and killing leon in the bad end
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>>734145732
I thought that Wesker’s superpower virus was Uroboros, it just syncs perfectly with him genetically as long as he has those stabilizer shots. The dude who Excella injects gets the same eyes as Wesker for a second before it rejects him and he explodes into the worms.
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>>734148940
>wink wink nudge nudge hey maybe RE5 Wesker wasn't really Wesker
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>>734149132
look outside anon. Boomers are everywhere in management and politics. They refuse to sit down so the younger gen can have power. You don't think games are like that? We could have had multiple games starring Piers still mind fucked that Chris killed himself to save him but no that would require giving someone young a chance
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>Spencer: "oh shit...uh... i created elpis, we cool now?"
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>>734137781
I don’t know if you should take a 30 second interview with a reporter at face value. Did Spencer REALLY have remorse? Or is it more manipulation? I have a hard time believing he gave a single fuck, except for trying to stop others from stealing and benefiting from his life’s work.
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>>734142074
Considering RE5 basically has him go god complex senile asshole I'm figuring that the whole regret and Grace thing may be a retcon, but it's more akin to a final moments of lucidity thing before just goes off the wagon and stews in his hatred waiting to die. And if we are getting a 5 remake, you can bet Spencer's death is probably going to be rewritten.
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>>734149585
He still developed Elpis. After 50 years of developing viruses, prototyping BOWs, exploiting foreign lands, and experimenting on children to try and achieve immortality, he still developed a literal Panacea to cure or counter every single one of the unimaginable monsters he created.
But also he was screaming at Wesker about godhood until his final bloodied breath.
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>>734149093
Well the fat guy shouldn't be despawning or it's a glitch, maybe you just missed him, he moves around a lot in the east wing. You should aim to use all your requiem shots in the areas after the hospital. Don't literally save them forever because you'll give the gun back eventually.
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>but it's more akin to a final moments of lucidity thing before just goes off the wagon and stews in his hatred waiting to die.
It doesn't make sense is the thing.
Requiem inserts this moment at some point vaguely between 1999 and 2006, but that makes no sense. Here's everything he did in that time
>Used Morpheus as a scapegoat for Arklay (likely to continue covering up Marcus' death)
>Kept okaying Vincent's desire to kidnap children from other countries and open up their brains
>spent the entirety of the Raccoon Trials getting fake witnesses and bribing people to pin the blame on the government
>during said trials he built another fucking lab in Russia so his sadistic Russian confidant could continue doing their fucked up shit there
>killed the majority of his senior executive staff to hide progenitor from the US government (not because he felt bad, but because he viewed it as his)
>sent Alex Wesker to an island with thousands of test subjects to keep doing the immortality research
So, what, Alyssa caught him during the one moment where he wasn't having people killed or committing international crimes?
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>>734150187
The way I'm opting to see his "regret" in Requiem around the time all this shit gets weird is that Elpis and the misinformation around it was basically him getting really fucking tired of everyone betraying him, plus the Connections screwing over Umbrella in the nuking and the trials at this point. So he developed this whole thing and straight up hid the truth to drive everyone that stole from him straight down to hell with him. Keep in mind even this game is a fucked up thing for Spencer; the whole little girl clone plan was part of what stemmed Alex's immortality efforts, because Spencer intended to find one of them compatible to transfer his memories into to keep on living, and we saw how horribly that turned out for the subjects. So it's not like he's a magical saint, either.
At the very minimum, Alyssa caught him in a moment of doubt that he got to express himself in, because anyone he personally knew besides his butler would probably exploit and use him like the rest.
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>>734133386
Thank god he's not actually Wesker with that gay earring and haircut, Wesker would never smoke either he's too cool for that
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>>734150283
It's less "zomg clones!!!" and more the fact they hyped of Wesker for so many games, finally killed him off in 5, then.... Now here's notWesker who looks and fights like Wesker, holds basically the exact same position as head of yet another evil organization, and is after Spencer's legacy that he's basically Wesker again that it's kind of boring.
Also don't forget 6. Carla Radames literally be a clone of Ada because someone had a harder oneitis on her than Leon did that he literally grew his own clone of her only for her to reject him and proceed to drag Ada's good name through the mud as revenge. That's an okay story about clones too.
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That guy looks like he smells bad and sexually harasses minors occasionally.
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>use redemption
>try headshotting one of those weak ARK zombies up close
>Leon schmoves behind it, kicks it down on the knees and fucking executes it with a bullet in the back of the head
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>Spencer was so horrified by WW2 that he started a eugenics program
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>mental transfer
>small clone army of little girls
>spencer wanted to mindswap into a child to live forever or at least extend himself and some shit
Motherfucker this entire game's subplot for Grace exists to justify Revelations 2.
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>>734143879
The T-Virus does enhance your physical body. He very well could be benefiting from minor Tyrant physiology without the giant claws, pale skin, or exposed heart. Could explain why he's been able to do crazy shit he does, like dodge lasers or ride a dirt bike off a sky scrapper ramp.
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>>734152732
Considering the crazy shit pretty much every propagandist has done since 4, it only seems logical to assume they're enhanced somehow. Leon has been benefiting from T-Virus, Chris is fueled by revenge and steroids, Sheva has black girl magic, Sherry has G-Virus, Jake is Wesker's son, Ethan is Mold, Piers remembered to take off his helmet so he's not just another BSAA grunt, Helena has... hmm...
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>>734153045
He still did everything he did in all those prior games, it's just Requiem has a plot-important interview between him and Alyssa where he momentarily expresses that he knows he fucked up bad and regrets what he'd done to cause it all, and sets up handing off a clone baby named Grace to Alyssa. Until a 5 remake probably changes his death scene somehow, he still goes out a god wannabe senile motherfucker, and those death dungeons didn't disappear. Shit, this game even makes it worse, he has an orphanage of little girls he wanted to transfer his mind into and there's an inexplicable creepy church and coffins beneath it that links to a nearby lab; they kept killing the girls because they kept going bugnuts fucking murder insane. So if anything it just further exemplifies just how fucked he was in the head.
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>Helena has... hmm...
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>>734153301
Gideon saw Elpis as potential leverage in a world where BOW's where becoming increasingly more common. His logic is basically "What's better than having the bigger gun? Taking your opponents gun away".
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I thought it was really funny how when he described the awful treatment of the mind control girls to Grace, he was clearly passionate about how they were a waste of resources and time.
Just had to laugh out loud when he's doing that right to her face while telling her she's the real deal and she should help him.
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>>734148302
Yeah this is my thinking as well. They're not very subtly writing for a completely separate timeline from the original games. There's now the original canon from 1 to 6probably cuz I never played 6 lmaoand all spinoffs thereof, and then they wiped the slate with 7 onwards.
It's not even the first time a developer has done this with their flagship IPs either. Mortal Kombat did it and even GTA did it. At this point Capcom is rewriting the new canon while working on the games to fill in the gaps, i.e. anything that hasn't gotten a remake (except RE1R since that's so old it was really still part of the original canon).
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>>734155629
The thing is, they still reference those games. There were no spiders in 2 Remake and Plant 43 was a background entity that caused the Ivy Zombies, but here they both are in Requiem as a homage to the original RE2 for seemingly no reason. They reference 6 with the president assassination that Simmons caused, the clone brain transfer plot is basically the start of Revelations 2's schemes. But they pick and choose what they want to be relevant, emphasize their remakes over the originals, and then can't even make up their minds about what exactly they want to figure on. It's kind of a clusterfuck of writing by the seat of their pants, and very few things in this franchise have been made non-canon altogether, so it's sort of an "anything goes" melee nightmare.
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>>734156249
The epilogue had some Connections goons picking up what almost had to be Zeno's head from his POV, so there's a good chance he'll be fine. Or he could be one of those characters that just doesn't ever show up again.
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>There were no spiders in 2 Remake and Plant 43 was a background entity that caused the Ivy Zombies
Irrelevant. Leon doesn't comment on the spider in any reminiscent manner as if he saw them in RE2, it just shows up and the fight happens. Same with Plant 43. Just because Leon didn't see them on the Raccoon City incident (from the remake, I will clarify) doesn't mean they didn't exist. You could argue this is lazy, retconny writing, and you'd likely be correct, but it's plausible enough within reason, just not explicitly explained on screen in the games.
>They reference 6 with the president assassination that Simmons caused, the clone brain transfer plot is basically the start of Revelations 2's schemes.
Well yeah that's what I mean. They're very clearly referencing those events, but that doesn't mean they happened the way they did in the games we have now. The president's assassination happened, but differently from how it happened in 6, and it's the same idea for the clone shit.
Again, there's a very clear cutoff point starting from RE7 in which many prior plot points are still being referenced, but under alternate series of events as seen in prior games. They're just picking and choosing what they want to keep as is to reference for fanservice brownie points while still retaining some plausibility with the events being currently told, and what they want to rewrite as part of the post-7 revised alternate canon.
One could argue this is not a good practice for storytelling, and I'd be inclined to agree. However, I'm merely pointing out what this clusterfuck of rewrites and so-called retcons look like to me. In summary, as of now they seem like retcons because we're tying them to events from games they're in the middle of rewriting. That, or I'm giving them too much credit and they simply cannot write for shit. Could be either or, really.
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Since that game I've been of the opinion that is what should have happened. Wesker in that game was like 2 entirely different people
>I only have 7 minutes to play with you Wesker
before you free the now experimented upon Jill, is the real Wesker. He is practically immortal, does Wesker-Fu around the area, and you are just there to survive him long enough until he fucks off for the next part of his plans within plans within plans
>End of game Wesker
is a complete moron , gives up plans within plans for COMPLETE GLOBAL SATURATION and starts degenerating long before you poke him with the fuck-you serum, turns into a tentacle monster boss and dies in a volcano.
Between the two options for
>Uh actually he survived the volcano, and reformed/the temp healed him but all the stupid was real Wesker
>Fake wesker budded or was an incomplete clone activated by the real one, who goes to do his sneaky plan right after messing with you before you save Jill; you don't see him for the rest of the game.
the latter seems a better idea.
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>Adopts Grace from the hundreds of research children as a final act of kindness and "hope"
>Gives massive amounts of resources to Victor to figure out how they're linked, they create a bunch of clones of Grace
This confuses me because Victor says there's no link between Grace and Emily. Also, the Chloe clone is from 1990, she can't have been a Grace clone.
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>Spencer is a good old man guys!
Then why did he said evil shit like this in RE5? Dumb as fuck Konishi...
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>Listen, I know you saw your mom violently murdered by a machete-wielding maniac, but you gotta get over it. C'mon. Just go to the condemned, unsafe building where you experienced the most traumatic experience a person possibly could. It's not big deal. Get over it already.
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>>734160679
Even the Grace adoption shit was a momentary lapse of okay, since the little girls all existed for him to try to swap his mind/brain into. Like, he's still unspeakably evil, there's just a moment when he realized everyone around him is a monster too and that he could step above that briefly.
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>I show
I meant shoved...
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I'll have to experiment more then
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>>734160428
The no link part is weird because there's a file where Grace is literally confirmed to have the genetics and being who they were looking for, meaning she and Emily share the same dna. I assume he meant "the cloning was pointless", not "they have different dna".
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>>734142183
Bro he's been saying that for over a decade now. He goes into basically every RE thread to seethe about 7, 8 and as of recently 9. Tell him that 7 saved the franchise and was a return to it's survival horror routes, he'll have a mental breakdown.
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He's a pozzed bugchaser
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>>734142405
For Grace specifically the maximum health upgrades restore her to max HP and also don't count as using healing if you need an emergency one to make it easier.
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>>734162907
Funny how every time you get called you pull the same copium argument out of your ass as if it isn't hilariously obvious that it's always you. You even acknowledge that this happens a lot proving it is you. Dumbass.
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Spencer says she's a normal girl but he doesn't exactly say that she's not a clone too in the same way before the experiments Emily was a normal girl so I could easily see it being the case that both Grace and Emily are test tube babies of the same source which Spencer had been using since the 90s with Chloe too making them genetically identical.
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https://youtu.be/dnoLhyO-4S8
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>>734163529
The points shop lets you buy some stuff. For pretty cheap you can expand Grace's blood capacity by 50, a knife that doesn't break, and a charm that increases gun damage. For a lot of points, you can get infinite ammo, but you gotta do some challenge runs for that. Don't bother with the pistol on Grace until you have infinite ammo unlocked, it's absolute ass.
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This was cinema
The problem was it wasn't actually Wesker and is just an excuse to bring him back later.
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>>734163610
Kinda sucks cause I never used any of them except the precision one.
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I want to save enough for the infinite ammo and infinite RPG for the impossible run so I wonder how much I can get away with buying to make sure I have enough.
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>>734133386
You find a note in Gideon's clinic threatening to can his research because it's like 20 years overdue.
Zeno himself is suffering from t-virus syndrome and clearly rushing things.
Theory: Zeno did it because his bosses are witholding his meds to encourage him to move things along, he feels betrayed and suspects he will be disposed of once he delivers but sees an opportunity to cuck them with mind control and take over the project for himself.
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>>734164002
>I want to save enough for the infinite ammo and infinite RPG for the impossible run
Why even bother with Insanity if you're gonna trivialize it in that way? If you want the game to be easy, simply don't choose the difficulty called "Insanity".
If you say "for the achievement" I'm going to launch an ICBM at your house.
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NTA but challenge runs are a meme. First playthrough on Standard (classic) was already a fun challenge enough, trying to do insanity fairly is just going to be annoying. The devs literally expect you to use the infinite ammo shit on it. 2nd playthroughs on RE games are always for dicking around
>t.got S+ hardcore on RE2R and did not find it fun
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>The devs literally expect you to use the infinite ammo
Tremendous cope. Insanity with infinite ammo is easier than Casual without infinite ammo. I agree that *some* of the points shop things they expect you to use, but that's just the extra weapons, extra upgrade tier, extra blood storage, and shit like that. Infinite ammo is a straight up cheat code that completely trivializes the difficulty. You didn't beat the game.
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>>734164385I want to do insanity first for the achievement so I can buy out everything in the shop. I'll probably do a normal insanity run after that with various different things turned on or off since you can disable them all whenever you want. I want to have all the options first before I worry about beating it normally.
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Infinite ammo costs about as many points as it takes to buy all of the weapons and little character upgrades (which I would consider fair to use in Insanity). Perhaps even more, I didn't do the math, and I can't check because I already bought most of them.
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>but Spencer in RE5 is evil!
Guys, he was talking to Wesker when he said all that shit
Of course he wouldn't be telling him the truth, he didn't want Wesker to suspect that he had an ace up his sleeve to take away his powers (Elpis), he just played the part of an old man who lost all hope of becoming a god
Or he had dementia like Grace says in the final report of course
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You can just reload a save from that point and do it as the doll stays with you across all saves after you pick it up once. so if you chad a save from your 1st playthough around that point just load that and do it to get the points.
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>>734164906
>Of course he wouldn't be telling him the truth, he didn't want Wesker to suspect that he had an ace up his sleeve to take away his powers (Elpis), he just played the part of an old man who lost all hope of becoming a god
It's the complete opposite, he was putting on a show for Grace. With Wesker that was his true colors.
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I thought about that too but it doesn't make sense to make a Panacea for viruses if that was the intent, right?
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There was one in her cell upstairs too. It's likely she just had a fascination with them because it was the only stimulation she had in that empty ass cell, and there was still enough of her left for that to carry through post-mutation.
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>>734165006
I have a save just before bringing Emily to the 3rd puzzle location but honestly doing the grinder part without shooting on standard seems like it'll be a pain in the ass so I might just start a new playthrough on casual and get the doll then.
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>>734165149
There was multiple girls copies. Each one with their own doll. Many died, and the mutated one just collected all of those as the remnants of her memories. The whole thing of this RE game is how this new T-virus retain a small amount of memory in the infected.
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>>734165072
In general, dataminers are massive fags who are the direct enemy of everything good in the world. It genuinely does suck that a video game can never be mysterious or secretive about anything anymore since it'll all just get datamined to fuck in 48 hours.
That being said, this puzzle in particular is absolutely fucked. Nobody was able to make heads or tails of it before datamining. If datamining wasn't possible, it might have gone completely unsolved because the steps and the hints are that absurdly cryptic. In this specific case, I'm dataminers saved people a lot of trouble trying to figure out some bonkers fuckin moon logic.
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>>734165483
Yeah the retard in the video talking about flag, who care about this shit bro, at least pretend you solved it, fucking retarded.
Just like the chinese genshin leaker that can't help posting his face and name selling leak everywhere and acting like some anonymous retard they will never catch (they did)
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How did they clone grace?
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>>734165375
Victor please...
>>734165378
>Check with grok
Come on man
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>>734165483
counter point: Data mining some games is based because fuck devs and their shitty practices like cutting content or making something obtusely time consuming to access for little to no gain
devs have gotten far, FAR too big for their britches in recent years with artsy fartsy 3deep5u shit, and deserve to be taken down a peg or two
never let a dev think they are talented or good at something, never let them waste your time
the second you do, you end up with cunts like Phil Fish or Kojima who genuinely and honestly believe they have any rights
game devs are NOT human and insects must given priority over them
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>>734164906
>it was just a prank bro
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Can anyone explain those assassin zombies that killed Alyssa?
They clearly weren't infected with the same virus as the other zombies in the game. They were able to sneak up on the manager and bag him then stab Alyssa in the neck.
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>>734166412
Generally speaking, all of the big viruses are derivatives of the T-virus, which itself is derivative of the progenitor virus in those flowers in RE5. There's all kinds of wacky strains of it, but they are all just modifications of the same source.
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So who was actually in on all the evil shit? Were all the doctors and nurses in on it? What about all the directors guys in the pictures? Did everyone there know what was going on? They were all guilty in that case and Leon was right to let that nurse get the chainsaw.
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>>734166712
They have literally hundreds of bodies in the basement. I don't see any scenario where someone working there doesn't know what's going on.
In order to amass that many bodies you would have multiple patients going missing every day.
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>>734141503
>blisterheads
Those are just a transformation between crimson heads and Lickers. The way it attack and move was the same as Crimson Heads before. This scientists gave them a new name because they doesn't know about the monsters from RE1 and 2. We have full Lickers in the game, so that mean with time those "blisters" would become Lickers.
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>>734166894
They should fully commit to the evolution thing and allow a full zombie -> crimson head -> licker mutation mechanic to work in a game. It would just require Capcom not to shut the bed and discard the best setting in the game halfway through like they did with 9. Makes me appreciate how 1 has you backtrack through the mansion, even if it's just hunters that populate it
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>>734166332
It's crazy how much you guys fixate on that when it happens in a few specific locations, then otherwise it's RE1 style interactions and zombie evasion. Like the hide and seek shit is necessary across like..10% of the game?
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>>734167164
Exactly man! For fucks sake. Like lmao, even Silent Hill 2 manages to basically do this to some level. You get a bunch of explorable locations, perhaps not with he same detail as 9's hospital sure, but locations that can last a few hours - then you move to the streets between major locations. I know the remake isn't ideal for a lot of people, but it accomplished what I hoped RE9's Racoon City exploration would be like, vs the budget PS3 game portion we got.
What you described would be the perfect RE imo.
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>>734142074
His "I was to become a God" speech can fit with him also having that change of heart prior. From Spencer's point of view, he saw all of his allies as monkeys playing with loaded handguns. He was ruthless, but he never really intended for pandemics and an apocalypse, that was just caused by people either betraying him or him being extremely paranoid (which he will dismiss as not his fault). Elpis was the counterbalance. He still believed he has the right to be a God since he balances the scales and yet he is to die. A cure that could even tear Albert Weskers "gifts" away, making him entirely human.
TL;DR: "I would be a God because I can control viruses and take their gifts away, but I cannot control time itself or the minds of others who will always betray me and doom humanity"
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>>734143295
nta but bsolutely not, in fact fuck off. The care centre is way too straightforward, you're never going to think about routing, it's way too guided and there is no synergy between enemy types or create unique pressure on the player. I'll say it's the closest the modern sequel games have come to being good but it is not even remotely on par with the RPD
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>>734149867
Dumb but simple solution: Spencer intentionally erased his own memories of Elpis so no one would be able to find it
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>>734168018
I kind of agree with you in that the trifecta of zombies + lickers + mr. x make for an interesting risk/reward dynamic but my counterpoint is that the RPD is actually really small and you can beat it in like an hour. And after that the game kind of falls apart. You never really get the chance to appreciate it.
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>>734136282
>Zeno genuinely wants poor people that can't afford viruses like the mutated T-Virus to die. He's a literal supernazi that will try and eradicate anyone that isn't superhuman in the name of his ultra-nationalist corporatist zionism.
BASED BASED BASED
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>>734168605
Oh I know, I've thought about it a lot. I think this game has by far the most plot holes and contradictory shit of any RE game. Luckily from a game standpoint it makes up for it, I think it's top 5 RE, maybe even top 3 as a game.