>>734151364
>X/Y was the highest rated
kek wtf

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>>734151364
Koei Tecmo really are outdoing the main devs of certain franchises, except Metroid Other M of course.

>>734151483
Well deserved desu

>>734151483
It was literally pokemon...but in 3D!

>>734151712
How? The only good part of X/Y was competitive which journalists rating the game wouldn't play
I guess it got points for THREE DEEE?

>>734151773
>>734151779
>>734151483
It had the perfect difficulty level for journalists

>>734151779
>How? The only good part of X/Y was competitive
And the map design
And the pokemon having actual animations for once
And the fact that you can play with your pokemon
And the trainer customization
And the features they brought back that were lazily cut from the prior gen

>>734151364
It's literally made by Game Freak you illiterate peasant

>>734152493
Only ohmori was involved in producing. Tecmo themselves actually developed the games.

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>>734152417
>And the map design
bruh

>>734151483
XY was the first game that made for brain dead retards, the exact people who become games journalists.

>>734151536
>other m
>musou slop
Not a great track record...

>>734152417
I think you're getting confused. X/Y are the ones on the 3DS, they came after B/W2 which had the most features of any Pokemon game. X/Y Pokemon had generic bouncing/jumping animations for moves and all flying types just floated in the air without moving. It did have the touching minigame from fire emblem and costume changing, you remembered that right. But X/Y were the ones that had half the game cut, the region was literally cut in half and only the northern part shipped.

>>734151536
to be fair to Koei, Other M problems are mostly Yoshio Sakamoto's.

>>734151364
Thanks for the reminder that Metashitic shills think Gen 5 and 6 are the best games in the franchise and Emerald and Explorers of Sky are the worst

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>>734152576
bruh

>>734151483
It was honestly good at the time with all the online features. But as a single player game it sucks.

>>734152680
>XY was the first game that made for brain dead retards
t. brain dead retard

>>734152838
>they came after B/W2 which had the most features of any Pokemon game
How do I plant berries and customize my character and use the pokeradar and fish chain and pet my pokemon and super train in BW2?

>But X/Y were the ones that had half the game cut,
And yet the game has the same number of routes as BW2. Does that mean BW2 also had half the game cut? That's a shame, it's too bad they couldn't finish Unova

>>734151536
To be fair, Other M is way better than Prime 3.

>>734151779
>Best online of any game in the series
>Tons of quality of life features
>One of the best regional dex metas
X/Y was genuinely great for anyone that played with other people. The ones who bitch about it are retards that were upset their rpg for literal 7 year olds was too easy because muh exp share.

>>734153117
Gen 6 is one of the best games, Gen 5 definitely shouldn't be that high though

>>734151483
better than the unova dogshit

>>734153260
Yeah but you could just play showdown for that. The actual game was a complete waste of time.

>"XY sucks"
>UNOVAUNOVAUNOVAUNOVA
Every time kek

The director or whatever literally said they made x/y for "the iPad generation" in mind so if you see someone calling it the braindead retard gen they're completely correct. It was when I realized I'm playing a game for legit babies and not All Ages

>>734151536
>Forgetting Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3
Rip. Wish they put Samus in it as a callback to when the original devs wanted her and Link in the PS2 games.

>>734151364
>best selling media franchise of all time
>highest rated game is 88
What? How? I don't even play Pokemon and I call bullshit.

>>734153193
>yawnie downie is autistically replying in /v/ as well
Go back to your containment board schizo

>>734151536
I will buy Switch2 if they pay KT to make a Wild Hearts 2 or Toukiden 3.
Not that Musou trash

>>734153536
Nah the actual game is fun

>>734154062
Pokemon games are generally two or three steps down compared to other RPGs. Only the spinoffs are on par with most games because 1. they're usually clones made by a studio that specializes in that game and just slapped "Pokemon" on it and 2. Game Freak is just bad at making video games.

So yeah even with +10 points from IP/nostalgia/nintendo bonus they can't crack 90.

>>734151779
>The only good part of X/Y was competitive which journalists rating the game wouldn't play
That's just it though. You didn't have to be a tryhard smogon player to play the XY social features. If you wanted to trade, Wonder Trade, play with friends, or whatever. All the wireless features were built into the main menu from anywhere in the game. Massive improvement over Nintendo's original WiFi Connection. It ran surprisingly fast for a system supporting countless people on global launch day.

>I guess it got points for THREE DEEE?
Pokemon sprites had lost their novelty at that time, so the anime art style for XY and Sun/Moon was highly praised as an upgrade.

[Spoiler]3DS Pokemon should not be as controversial as it is.[/Spoiler]

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>>734152576
>Some frenchie took a look at that road and thought "this looks fine"

>>734151483
XY was considered kino after the dumpster fire that were black and white 2, same reason everyone pretended scarlet and violet or legends arceus were good games for a bit

>>734151536
>many great games!
>lists 6 musou games and other M
wow

>>734151364
>y rated the best mainline pokemon game
This is proof that journalist reviews for games should not be taken seriously.

>>734154420
Pokemon was a mass sensation. The remake of the originals has a Matacritic score of 81. Meanwhile, Final Fantasy VIII is 90, XVI is 87 and XIII is 83 - what's their reputation?

I get that it's a GameBoy game and the idea of the game does a lot of heavy lifting, but if you asked me for a game recommendation right now between Pokemon Red/Blue or throwing a dart at a board full of FF and DQ, I wouldn't even fucking hesitate: Pokemon. Yes, those other RPGs have more things going on. More bad things I didn't ask for.

>>734155471
>a correct score is proof they shouldn’t be taken seriously

>>734154579
>XY was considered kino after the dumpster fire that were black and white 2
BW2 are the best mainline games though. The fuck?

>>734153736
That was Masuda being super salty his Kanto 2.0 BW flopped.

>>734155897
You're replying to /vp/'s resident lolcow, yawnfag. Don't even bother.

>>734155574
>if you asked me for a game recommendation right now between Pokemon Red/Blue or throwing a dart at a board full of FF and DQ, I wouldn't even fucking hesitate: Pokemon.
Well if you're making a recommendation for monster training games in particular, yeah maybe. If you're recommending an RPG or a video game in general then I think that's insane. Gen 1 especially, they're not even beginner-friendly for introducing someone to games. They're ugly, slow, full of grindy random encounters and nonsensical glitches. At least Gen 2 is in color.

>>734156312
>Gen 1 especially, they're not even beginner-friendly for introducing someone to games.
Everyone here beat gen 1 when we were like 6 years old.

>>734151483
The only Pokémon game worth playing since crystal.

>>734156483
Well yeah if you're introducing it to a 6 year old you can give them anything and they'll play it for 16 hours straight. That's the demographic that'll give themselves brain damage because they're physically incapable of looking away from an ipad. If it's an adult they're just going to rightly recognize it kinda sucks and stop playing, or at least be unimpressed

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>>734155897
>BW2 are the best mainline games though

>>734157198
that text describes bw1 which are awful games tho

>>734151483
first game with full 3D mons, pokemon ami still the best poke petting minigame, lovely region, and hard ending challenge at the manor, plus great online trading (before bots ruined )

>>734157198
>PWT
>kino graphics
>kino music
>seasons
>insane pokemon variety right from the start
>story actually goes all the way up to level 80
BW2 is the peak, I'm a 36 year old gen 1 fag by the way.

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>>734157976
>kino graphics

>>734151483
The single player was dogshit but XY still had the best online multiplayer in the entire series

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>>734151536
>utter trash other fucking m
>buncha trashy musou (not trash, but trashy)
>kino pokemon conquest
>upcoming kino pokemon animal crossing
they seem to only do good with pokemon lol

>>734153340
Rent free.

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>>734151483
It was the beginning of the KANTOOOOOOOOO bullshit.

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>>734157198
>bitching about linearity in a fucking Pokemon game
People really were fooled by not making prior maps look like a circle huh?

>>734151364
does this still count as a Nintendo bonus if its not made by Nintendo?

>>734151364
there is no fucking way X/Y is the most popular pokemon game, its one of the most hated

>>734159670
You think Metacritic reviewer scores equal popularity?

>>734155574
FF8 is kino. Only low IQ zoomers hate it.

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>>734159670

Who is this game a 9 for? Girls?

>>734160038
Trannies and Tumblr women, aka Animal Crossing fans.

>>734151483
I liked Gen 6 comp because it made some of my favorite mons fun to use again with megas and synergies with megas, but that was mostly experienced in ORAS for me. I know X introduced Mega Mawile and Aggron but the rest of the game was bad and iirc you don't even get those megas until post game.

>>734159670
Yeah in echochambers its one of the most hated for sure, but as a game for kids at the time it was probably great and most of those kids are turning in to adults now.

>dragon quest builders
:(
>dragon quest builders with pokemon
:OOOOOOOOOO

pokenigger cultism needs to be studied.

>>734160334
But I, the DIFFERENT anon, liked Dragon Quest Builders. 2.

>>734153170
This. It's the only game in the whole core series where the online features didn't suck ass.

>>734151483
3DS Pokémon is controversial and DS Pokémon is fellated because 3DS Pokémon doesn't do what DS Pokémon does anywhere near as well.

I can give you the general idea of what people thought about each Gen at the time
>Gen I is Pokémania, just a bunch of kids going wild for the franchise
>Gen II is better in practically every way, two regions, expands upon everything, though it had a sense of finality for those playing it even they decided to get it after Gen I, the fad was beginning to fade even in 1999
>Gen III at the time was when a lot of kids had grown out of it, and even when the games came out, they were considered far more limited in terms of what you could do compared to the previous games even if they seemed like a major visual and mechanical leap forward
>Gen IV was on the hugely popular DS in its biggest years and was acclaimed by fans. It took a lot of content design philosophy from Gen II while also remaking Gen II, at the same time combining it with Gen III's mechanical advancements
>Gen V was released in the last few years of the DS' lifespan but was immensely hyped after Gen IV. Noted for its more story-driven, streamlined approach which some players preferred to the more player-driven, content-heavy experiences of Gen II and IV (something that would return with B2W2). Either way, the BW approach would be a prototype to what the series would become. The lack of pre-League non-Unova Pokémon didn't make anywhere near as big of a negative impact as fans of the Gen say, it's very overblown, along with the constant parroting of "sales failure" and "destroyed a misunderstood genius".
>Gen VI had a bustling online scene thanks to its features like the Friend Safari, PSS, and a simultaneous worldwide release. The single-player was considered somewhat lackluster, neither matching BW's story focus or Gen IV's sheer content, and technical issues like limited 3D, low framerate, the Lumiose save glitch, etc. gave an impression of being a bit unfinished.

>>734160038
Animal Crossing fans. AC had 900 morbillion players during the pandemic shutdowns, so in the intervening years a swarm of "cozy games" have been developed, all of them irrelevant, but this one has Pokemon on the label so it gets enough press to be relevant and possibly successful.

>>734151483
It was at the right time and place, Soillenials online were getting aggressively nostalgic over the 1st generation so the Kanto pandering was very well received and it was also the first 3D mainline game.

>>734159561
In the Gen 1 games you could do gyms 3-7 in a variety of orders and in Gen 2 you could do 5-7 in any order, and then all the kanto gyms (except for Blue iirc) could be done in whatever order. In Emerald you could skip Brawly until gym 5 and then Winonia until the league. After that I think it's fully 100% linear until Gen 9 which is open world.

>>734160334
Maybe people are excited for dragon quest builders with pokemon because................they liked dragon quest builders.

>>734160334
>a good game with a good IP
Sounds good.

>>734160774
Also it helped that the game was actually good, unlike gen 5

>>734151536
Conquest fucking sucks.

Nintendo paid for reviews

Sickening

>>734160881
The online was good and competitive play was better than ever but the single player content? That was extremely barebones and unfinished.

>>734161151
>That was extremely barebones and unfinished
And yet somehow it still had more to do than Gen 5. Weird, huh?

I hope the success of Pokopia means they'll finally make DQB3

>>734160515
>Gen VII was during Pokémon GO and the franchise's 20th anniversary. Hardcore fans were getting particularly sick of the Kanto references at this point, having already found them to be somewhat tasteless in XY compared to how previous Gens handled references. Fans of these games will typically cite the story of SM and the overall atmosphere as the reason they like it, while for longtime fans, the games were considered inferior in most regards compared to most previous entries.
>Gen VIII was THE DIVIDE, all spurred on by Dexit. It gave people the ability to spot surface level issues and treat them as game-breaking (specifically graphics and a fair number of Pokémon being completely untransferrable). For the more hardcore fans, the issues were still the design decisions that had been creeping in stronger and stronger throughout the 2010s, and a new classification of "hardcore fan" was made, the one who will buy anything with Pokémon on it or those who only buy Pokémon as a social experience (ie. competitive). The massive popularity of the Switch in a post-GO world allowed it to sell gangbusters. After Sword and Shield, an internal change in direction became more obvious with games like Legends Arceus which appealed more to longtime fans.
>Gen IX continued many of the trends of Gen VIII, but with changes in direction being apparent. Dexit stopped being a major issue, and instead the detractors moved solely to performance/visuals/designs which were really lacking.

Right now, Game Freak is trying hard to regain trust in the brand, whose image began sinking in the 2010s. And it was sinking not because it was the end of a fad like in Gen II/III, but because of concerns with quality of the games. We've seen internal documentation showing that they're aware of reputation. Games like Legends, the less railroaded worlds, a greater focus on content, more development time, and upcoming games like Project Seed show that they're trying to change.

>>734151536
>has yielded many games
>it's just the same game listed 5 times
>1 widely shunned game, 1 forgotten game and Pokopia
Bravo, what a lineup

>>734152556
It's co-developed.

>>734151483
>>734159670
Pre-Bank XY was the best time to be a Pokémon player. You had to be there.

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>>734161420
If they know how positively Legends Arceus was received, why'd they completely shit the bed and remove everything that people loved about it with Legends ZA?

Tendies changed their stance on GKC is less than a year once they got their new marching orders lmao

>>734161937
the hatred to gkc has been snoy fud since day one

>>734151536
>Other M
>tons of Musouslop
>a Fire Emblem game nobody liked for the gameplay since its ass in that department
>the most forgotten Pokemon spinoff ever
>and Pokopia
Wow, very cool KT

>>734161864
Because going by what they say internally, the Legends games are explicitly meant to be for longtime hardcore fans, compared to the initial pair of a generation which are meant to be open to first-time players. Legends Arceus is for established Sinnoh fans. Legends Z-A is for established Kalos fans. Of course you can play them as a first-time player, but it's for people who want to know more about their worlds.

The original second Legends game was supposed to be Legends Ho-Oh and Legends Lugia and be about Johto 300 years in the past, but they decided not to go with it in favor of Kalos. Legends 3 is about Galar 1000 years in the past. But the focus is on lore that people who have already played these games would have an idea of already.

If they made a Legends Unova, it would focus on the war between brothers and feature the original dragon because that's what Unova fans want to see.

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>>734161151
>has 22 routes which is more than BW and the same as BW2
>has the largest regional dex to date
>battle maison has double the amount of content as the battle subway
>has trainer customization which doesn’t exist in gen 5
>has pokemon amie which doesn’t exist in gen 5
>has super training which doesn’t exist in gen 5
>has berry farming which doesn’t exist in gen 5
>has battle institute
>has restaurant triple/rotation battles
>has inverse battles
>has pokeradar shiny hunting
>has fish chain shiny hunting
Do you -actually- think it’s barebones, or are you just parroting that because GF didn’t fuck you in the ass and make you buy the game again like they did with Emerald and Platinum?

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>XY that high

>>734159670
Ironically XY did have some of the most popular Pokemon despite the small dex. The newer ones like Greninja, Sylveon, Talonflame, Aegislash became famous. Old mons who got a Fairy or Mega update like Charizard and Gardevoir played like they were new. It felt a bit like Gold and Silver.

>>734162253
>Berry farming
Yawn...

>>734162274
Mega Charizard carried hard

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>>734151483
Big disagree

>>734151712
>>734151779
>>734152680
I think it’s due to the benefit and novelty of Gen 6 being the first mainline 3D game while introducing a bunch of new stuff like Mega Evolutions.

>>734152576
The purpose of that road was to showcase the camera angle

>>734154247
I’d like to see Koei Tecmo do something with a dormant series. Perhaps Golden Sun for example. I feel like if they were to revive an IP Sin and Punishment or Custom Robo might be more likely though.

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>>734158170
Found this from another X/Y thread, stop being disingenuous please.

>>734162971
>shittier designs every year

Fuck

>>734162971
Insane. You can SEE the soul leave the series with each subsequent release.

>>734163217
>posting sprites from the game is disingenuous
I'm sorry your game looks like shit anon

>>734160515
>>734161420
Great Oview of each Generation!

>>734162971
The GBA games washed out half the colors and X/Y killed off the stragglers. Just look up gengar's sprites, I'm not even gonna post them or I'll have the urge to vomit.

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>>734161834
Pre-Fairy Type introduction was also one of those “Good Times” to be a Pokémon fan.

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>>734162971
ew

>>734162129
I will agree on the FE part

FE Warriors just felt like a celebration of Awakening and Fates which is ruins it entirely, however I can forgive it a tiny bit for squeezing in characters like Lyn, Celica and any non-AwakeFates characters.

I honestly never cared for Hogwarts Persona Emblem. Like some folks I don’t consider it a real FE game, also the characters look ugly as well as the art style.

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>>734163451
that's just what the pokemon look like

>>734162712
Mega Lucario and Mega Mewtwos

>>734162274
Hey that’s Pikachu’s new idle animation for Gen 10!

https://x.com/Lewchube/status/2027397921528762751?s=20

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>>734162712
turns out pokemon fans will like pokemon games more when you put pokemon they like in them instead of this dogshit

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Does anyone know if KT are based and put the cutest mon in Pokopia or are they lame and gay?

>>734163473
Literally the only thing wrong with fairy type is that they never made a mega Mamoswine that was fairy type so he could retain his rightful place as the dragon fucker.

>>734161937
Why would I care about GKC or physical when I can get every game on the eShop for 20% off by buying $100 in eShop cards for $80 at Costco?

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>>734164019
At least he's got a fresh fit in Unite

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>>734151364
Take Pokemon away from Game Freak

This thread is going to make me fall asleep next turn.

>>734151483
Yea this list lost all credibility pretty fast. I've only played 3 Pokémon and x was the weakest link of them.

>>734157198
Most of this is describing BW1 retard-kun

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Where is it on the rankings :(

>>734153251
No it's not, it's significantly worse.

>>734164304
just like ever NuGame Freak Pokemon game

>>734164424
It got rated like shit because journalists are filtered by actual roguelikes

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>>734163814
People bitch about Gen 6 having a tiny roster, but honestly them not making a dozen new legendaries that no one gives a single fuck about like every other nu-pokemon game is one of the best things about it.

>>734152576
>look how unrealistic this road is
>they cleared a straight path through
>not like my real roads made by man that are straight and cleared of obstacles

>>734164246
i want to breed Gloria

>>734164568
i'm not a journalist and i fucking hate the mystery dungeon genre, from shiren to this.

>>734164424
too much cutscenes of characters repeating the same shit

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>Dragon Quest Builders
Kino game
>Dragon Quest Builders 2
This is the best game of all time.
>Go make your faggy DQ Treasures game
Worst game I've ever played

I don't trust them anymore

>>734152576
SOVL

>>734164568
Does the Legends ZA DLC count? I love the Mystery Dungeon games but hated Mega Dimension’s mechanics

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It's fucking hilarious how Koei Tecmo mogged the fuck out of Game Freak on their first fucking try

X and Y was my least liked main series Pokemon other than Sword and Shield, but that game at least had dlc...
I'll just rate the base games and they're about equal. Well, X and Y does have megas..so X and Y > Sword and Shield

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>>734164246
I wanna take Gloria's virginity

>>734164424
Still insane /vp/ would look at you dead in the eye and tell you the mainline games on which they have been shitting on for 30 years now are better than this. I get many people do not resonate with mystery dungeon formula but if you do PMD2 is unmatched on about everything.
>To this day some of the best sprite work possible on the DS, especially for backgrounds.
>Mind boggling longevity with close to perfect pacing. You've just beaten dialga, finished the story and suddenly the game hits you with post game out of nowhere with the guild exam. Afterwards you just keep on playing and wonder how fucking long this can last after saving scizor, exploring the regi ruins, taking care of manaphy, getting kidnapped by palkia and the game just doesn't fucking stop. You beat darkrai then again you discover and new game+ with infinite pure roguelike dungeons.
>Stops at gen4 with just the right amount of pokemons to have massive roster but not overly retarded
>The best soundtrack in the entire franchise, bar none.
>Manages to tell a memorable and tragic story of identity, self growth and loss with fucking POKEMON of all things and it just works perfectly
>Gives character and personality and makes you attach to the biggest fucking shitmons in the history of shitmons like fucking bidoof
And of course the best fucking thing out of this game
>explicitly implies that drowzee is a pedophile, the jew caricature pokemon
The greatest pokemon game of all time.

>>734151536
wait this is Koei Tecmo? I thought it was Game Freak and the DQ builders guys

>>734159561
There are different levels. In earlier games, progression is closer to a series of item flag checks than they are story checks, and there aren't a ton as progression locks. The more story progression locks there are, the more railroaded a game feels. Not only that, but route design gradually became less complex. It would be disingenuous to count something like Route 33 as its own thing. Instead, it's the space between major checkpoints (ie. towns), so Route 32, the Ruins of Alph off to the side, the first trip through Union Cave, and Route 33 counts as the gap between Violet and Azalea. Incidentally, the gap between the first and second Gyms in Kalos is absolutely insane relative to any other game, but something like Alola has very simplistic routes and towns that you're railroaded through.

>>734151364
Is pokopia an animal crossing clone?

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>>734163814
Is that Dazzi’s extended family?

>>734164108
ZAMN

I KNEEL HARD

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>>734164246
Best girl with Based opinion

>>734153106
That's like saying, "to be fair to Retro Studios, Metroid Prime 4 Beyond's problems are mostly Tanabe's."

>>734151536
I have played 3 of these(first Hyrule, houses and hopes)
I also played stranger of paradise so I trust them

>>734160334
dragon quest builders is generally well-liked though? the major complaints are that the localization is fucking obnoxious iin general and that specific lategame quests can be obtuse with NPCs not telling you what you actually need to do to complete them, neither of which are actual problems with the game itself.

>>734164491
How so? And don't complain about how your strong independent female protagonist is actually revealed to be entirely dependent on her male mentor.

>>734160515
>Gen 3 were considered far more limited in terms of what you could do compared to the previous games
its a lot easier than that
>hey where do i get scyther and kabutops and charizard
>...you cant
>well i can transfer them from gold, right? like how i transferred kabutops from red to gold
>...you cant
>hey where can I return this pokemon game

>>734151483
it let you pick gen1 starters, that immediately bumped it up

>>734153340
That's literally 1 point away, says alot

GB/GBC
>Pokémon Trading Card Game
>Pokémon Trading Card Game 2
>Pinball
>Picross
>Puzzle Challenge

GBA
>Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire
>Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team

DS
>Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team
>Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness
>Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky
>Ranger
>Ranger: Shadows of Almia
>Ranger: Guardian Signs
>Conquest
>Dash
>Trozei!
>Learn with Pokémon: Typing Adventure
>Pokémon Card Game: How to Play DS

3DS
>Picross 3DS
>Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity
>Super Mystery Dungeon
>Rumble Blast
>Rumble World
>Battle Trozei
>Pokémon Art Academy
>Shuffle
>The Thieves and the 1000 Pokémon
>Detective Pikachu
>Bank
>Poké Transporter
>Dream Radar
>Pokédex 3D
>Pokédex 3D Pro

It's amazing how many of the 3DS games had microtransactions after GO was a thing.

>>734164621
Most Pokemon games nowadays don't even have many proper legendaries, they just end up with sub-groups that are kinda legendary but not really (Ultra Beasts, Paradox Pokemon) or are like SwSh where there were only 3 in the base game and the rest were in DLC

>>734165712
gloria's itty bitty galarian titties

>>734152576
Route 1 home...

>>734161781
you were co-developed but one of your parents probably gets more credit

>>734156312
>If you're recommending an RPG or a video game in general then I think that's insane
Why? Most FFs and DQs are ugly and considerably more grindy than Pokemon. Red/Blue is full of cute pets and has top tier music. The gameplay is essentially identical. Actually, I think Pokemon might have deeper gameplay than most FFs and DQs, since in Pokemon you actually have to consider things like elemental affinities and HM users. In FF and DQ, you just have your whole party do their thing all at once and it usually works out. Not to mention Pokemon is full of hilarious dialogue, while FF requires you to take notes just to follow the plot.
>they're not even beginner-friendly
I beat it when I was like 9. I didn't even realize it was an RPG until years later and I thought, "Oh yeah, I guess it is." You don't exactly need a wealth of gaming experience to figure it out.
>They're ugly, slow, full of grindy random encounters and nonsensical glitches
You're describing FF and DQ. In the first FF, half the spells and weapons don't work, or even do the opposite of what they say. Meanwhile, other than Missingno, I never even ran into a Pokemon glitch, and I'm sure I did that one intentionally.

>>734162971
Snorlax was struggling to get up for 5 generations before finally pulling it off in X/Y

>>734165334
>explicitly implies
you might want to run that again. otherwise all that sounds interesting. if i only want to play one pokemon mystery dungeon game, which one is the absolute best one?

>>734151483
Specifically Y, somehow X rated lower than Black 2