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Okay, I know this game is basically unsalvageable and the best course of action would be pretend it never existed, but just as an exercise, how could it be saved?

Heres what I would do:

Make the game 3rd person so you can actually see the characters, change the grey color to plain black. Black is more complementary to neon and would make the artstyle more bearable, and of course: make it a free to play.
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>>734153520
Scrap the whole extraction shooter concept and turn it into a new Destiny but less neglected
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>>734153614
and less gay, forgot to add that part
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>>734153520
First and foremost: don't fucking make an extraction shooter. What were they even thinking?
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I wouldn't change anything because it's really fun.
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>>734153520
Pvp and less ugly designs
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>>734153520
Make the PvE significantly harder. Improve AI. Create a patrol system. Make minibosses. More enemy variety. Add aliens.
Make the objectives more interesting. Make the contracts more interesting and more difficult.
More maps. More claustrophobia. Linear maps would be fine.
More weapon types. Make it so you can carry multiple weapons, one of every type. Actually just have one weapon of each type but they're really different. Like a shotgun, pistol, assault rifle, rocket launcher, energy pistol etc.
Remove character abilities.
Add secrets and hidden doors.
Tell the story through terminals.
Remove multiplayer.
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>>734153520
Third person is gay in competitive multiplayer, everyone hog corners and peeks, it's ass
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>>734153520
make it an arena shooter
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>>734153520
Minor tweaks in resource management and player health.
The game is great already, there are few (but not zero) things that need fixing. /v/ is once again desperate for yet another tortanic.
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>>734153738
They were thinking "Jim Ryan said he'd pull our funding if we don't make a live service multi player game, oh noes!"
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>>734153520
Turn it into an FPS instead of an extraction shooter. No fun in killing someone taking some damage while looting getting killed because healing takes too long and then wait a few minutes for the next round. Also maybe it's all extraction shooters but the game feels pointless.
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>>734153520
>How would you "fix" Marathon?
Make it this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_Nt5isRTY
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>>734153520
Fire every tranny on staff
Fire all the toxic positive yes men
Make a co op friendly campaign so people know what the fuck the game is even about and leave the extractor slop for sweaty MP faggots
Match making is pronoun based. If the game detects pronouns in your profile you get matched with chink botters and racists
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>>734153991
BLAST STATUS: HAD
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>>734153520
It seriously sucks such a good artstyle was wasted on extraction shooter trash god I hate nu-Bungie.
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i'd use an engine that doesn't arbitrarily refuse to run with my graphics card despite it meeting all requirements
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Remove factions, make progress random, remove materials, have only money, resources or schematics that unlock purchasable goods
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System shock type of game
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>>734153520
can't be fixed, bungie must be shut down for their crimes
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>>734153520
I unironically had a BLAST

but it needs some fucking calibration before it releases

TTK is abhorrent, as everyone already said
Fucking bots are retarded bullets sponges
UI is fucking DOGSHIT, but at this point, im used to it, seems like thats standart for the whole genre, played Hunt Showdown for a while and im used to abhorrent fucking UI
Add mor actual lore and worldbuilding, its very fucking good, and i love the artstyle, those short vids that you get while doing contracts for the factions are amazing just visually
too much useless/annoying shit in the loot

and if fucking love for them to remove the shitty overheating/stamina system, but im sure they wont, cos no fun allowed. game has such fun, good feeling movement but you can barely use it. make it like apex, game that is actually fun to move around in
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>>734153520
Co-op mode
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>>734153520
If you want to play solo or play in duos, you're fucked. You just play arc raiders which has solo and duo lobbies instead of just 3 man sweat lobbies.
If you want pve, the enemies in the game all suck and are basically just player bots but spongier. You just play arc raiders for actually fun pve enemies to fight.
There is also nothing like high tier enemies to group up with other players which makes for fun team ups or tension of betrayals like arc raiders has with its enemies. This means you never team up with other players and its just a team shooter with dead quiet mics besides someone calling you a nigger.
If you want pvp its pvp isn't better than arc raiders or tarkov, plus marathon already has tons of hackers in it just from the server slam.
TTK is ass, if you want high or low TTK just play arc raiders or tarkov. Plus the heat mechanic is aids.
The only thing in it thats any good is its missions, but that's not a reason to play the game.
Thats also ignoring how the game looks insanely ugly.
There is literally no reason to play marathon over arc raiders or tarkov.
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>>734156023
Dude this game is ass
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Make a single player campaign with online co-op and charge money for it.
Make the multiplayer aspect free.
Put actual sci-fi weapons, not realistic weapons reskinned to be squares and rectangles.
Leveling up different factions give your character specific cosmetics.
Leveling up different factions grant you alternate abilities to swap from the default ones.
Put vehicles around the map, like the ones in Halo.
Make the women conventionally attractive.
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>>734153520
Hero shooter in 2026 is the problem
Make it into futuristic skyrim for a solo experience
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Should've given it the doom 2016 treatment. Basically a soft reboot while staying true to the original designs.
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>>734153520
add more than 3 fucking maps
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>>734161398
Don't you mean blASSt?
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>>734153520
The extraction game mode is alright but not enough justify itself. Add a campaign ~10 hours or so in length that utilizes the extraction resource mechanics throughout it. Part of why the extraction shit sucks is you’re picking up garbage and don’t care about any of it, and all the lore is dripfed through an impersonal barrage of menus. Literally just having a campaign would solve most of this by introducing the game, its mechanics, and the world through something that isn’t menu spam.
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Increase TTK.
Increase ammo drops.
Make item icons more varied and different between each other.
Make the female shells have sluttier bodies.
Get rid of the snipers.

Otherwise it's pretty good.
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>>734153520
one thing that i really don't like is the characters, they look ugly and lame, i want to play as something cool looking or at the very least pleasant to the eyes
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>>734163425
bogged
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>>734163425
will second all of this and add that movement should be a lot more fluid it feels archaic
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>>734153520
These are more thoughts about how to make extraction shooters as a concept more interesting
Their main draw that seperates them from other shooters in my eyes is ambiguous pvpve which leads to interesting situations. I think the biggest problem that leads all players into a shoot on sight murderhobo mode (besides minor balancing issues on the rewards side) is that its simply more effort to communicate cooperation than hostility. If you want to be hostile just about every tool you have and are looking for is catered to that and with a single mouse press you can make that decision. To cooperate with someone you need to take a risk and not immediately shoot them, hoping they do the same, then attempt to communicate with them through voice etc. Its just not worth the risk or reward so noone bothers so the game ends up a glorified deathmatch with extra busywork. Best way i can think of solving this is having some kind of request tool that you can use to easily ask for cooperation. Think of it like this
>can send a friendly ping to a nearby player with press of a button
>they can accept with the press of a button
>now both players are immune to friendly fire with eachother
>link breaks if too far away or if one player manually turns it off, but both cases have a 5 second timer informing everyone else linked together
Just throwing shit at the wall, but you get the idea. Something like that in a much bigger map with mofe players and objectives could be interesting, almost like a distillation of what makes mmos interesting but with the all the rpg cruft trimmed off.
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>>734163425
>more ammo
You get a free ammo pack dumbass. Its on your fucking hot bar. Fuck you zoomies have rotted coom brains.
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how about they make it actually run without crashing and with textures loading for a start?
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>>734159463
>>734163425
get a load of these casual midwitted faggots
you're just parroting the same 2-3 general faggot-only consensus
you're wrong AND dumb, so just fuck off back to cod or whatever retard closted homos like you play
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>>734153520
uhhh remove the multiplayer aspect
no one cares about these fotw shooters
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>>734153520
Deleting it from our timeline like it was before being gaslit this was an actual existing franchise.
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Why advertise something not in game?
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>>734153520
>fix marathon
Very easy.
Solo/team PvE mode.
Give Assassin a bonus to backstabs and a slight bonus to knife damage.
Give Destroyer's shield increased duration, speed boost to the missiles and enable them to be fired "dumb".
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>>734153520
Make it a single player game and get rid of the horrible art style. Make it based around the old games.
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>>734153520
>make the game 3rd person
No. And you know exactly why you want it to be 3rd person (its not so that you can see your own character).
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>>734165050
The marketing firm that make the video had 0 troons on staff
Bungies lead designer is a troon
Correlation? No. Pure coincidence.
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Things can always be worse
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>>734165126
It's already based in the old games.
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>>734153520
>and of course: make it a free to play.
People like you are the reason why I don't play multiplayer games anymore.

In a perfect world, the OG Overwatch model from 2016 would be the industry standard. There was literally nothing wrong with it. Fuck you and your seasonal meme passes. F2P is for mobile slop.
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>>734153520
Don't gave the intern the maps to paint when the style absolutely requires a master of art to make not suck (this likely being a large part of why the game looks good in the cinematics or concept art but is a trainwreck in game - the cinematics/concept were made by a skilled artist, the maps however were not).
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>>734153520
Trannies are running the show. There's nothing to be salvaged from the scrap heap.
Tarkov wasn't popular just because it's extraction. It offered two things that are a bit of a rare commodity. Gun autism, and milsim.
Division was an entire game, and the extraction gamemode in that was side content, something extra to do for bonus rewards
Call of Duty is fucking free for that gamemode. Won't cost you no 40 dollars, and has bigger maps with more players and customization. And allows you to put insurance on your gear so you don't lose everything you put so much effort into getting.
Marathon offers nothing unique. It's just extraction. 40 dollars, customization paid, horrendous UI, and I want to almost guarantee they will release new "shells" that you'll have to buy.
If it was going to become better at any point, it would've already been better. They have had years to learn from other games and learned nothing.
And guess what, people don't find it fun to spend 15 minutes gathering random sci-fi bullshit just to get sniped at extraction.
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>>734165225
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>>734153520
Copy The Division and turn the current game into "Darkzones" with Extraction style PvP. For a PvE Looter Shooter focused title.
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>>734153520
>make it a free to play
Financially filtered third worlder. Get owned.
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>>734153520
A really good single player campaign that ties it to the older games.
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>>734153614
more gato
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>>734165179
It's so funny when retards are against third person because it's "uncompetitive" or whatever the fuck, buddy, if the game is 3rd person EVERYONE will have the benefits of 3rd person, not just the people that like 3rd person.
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>>734153520
Stop trying to balance games around streamers and pvp mains. Arc showed them that they could have had a winning formula if it was more in the style of a Destiny extraction shooter but they've already gone too far down the road of a PVP sweatfest. Would take them 2-3 years of Bungie development time to actually fix it. It might not die a week after launch, but by the time the first wipe comes around I have a feeling it's going to cockshock people and it's going to be on life support after that. for as long as Sony is willing to drag the corpse behind them.
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>>734165519
cheesing corners in third person is gay, and leads to terrible gameplay
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>make a hard scifi setting
>hard scifi is only enjoyed by straight white guys and a tiny number of honorary japanese
>go full dei woke troon foid pandering
>none of them care
lol
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>>734165519
Third person allows you to peek around corners which is fine in a game where dying is a massive issue. The first person equivalent is being able to lean so you don't need to expose your whole body to look arounds a corner but as this game has hero abilities on Q and E instead of leaning it is fundamentally broken as the milsimalike it is trying to ape.
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yeah this game is just designed wrong, it needs lean so you can peak corners.
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>>734153520
Just copy Helldivers 2 and make it a pve extraction shooter
People would eat this shit up
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>>734153520
Give the game to anyone else but nuBungie.
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>>734165050
Bungie didn't make that trailer.
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i could 100% make a better game on my own in a month.
Genuinely appalled.
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>>734165329
but i have been told that marathon is innovative because uhhhhhh
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>>734165198
>people at odds with nature and their own self producing a game about being at odds with nature and the human self are utterly incapable of producing anything beautiful, not even when having other people slightly course correct their shit for them.

Ben starr reading ozymandias ahh momment.
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>>734165812
That or if you want to have hero abilities and needing to expose yourself to see anything then you can't also have it have a low TTK.
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>>734153520
Game would have been 100x better had it just been aping a good game like Helldivers or Forever winter instead of a terrible genre that coasts by off of luck or excellent dev taste
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>>734166018
they just ripped the entire thing off prometheus and alien covenant. thats why Ozymandias is in the trailer, you goofy ahh zoomer
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Why did it need to be an extraction shooter
It adds nothing

And its not even a good extraction shooter
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>>734166091
they should remove hero abilities completely. team Hero shooters are the worst mp games ever created.
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>Unc game
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>>734166172
Id honestly like it if they had more ways to secure your stuff so you dont lose cool stuff you looted. Also much more pve
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>>734153520
i just don't think it works as an extraction shooter could have worked as a single player game
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>>734166185
Nah I think it's fine. They should have their game offer something different to the other examples of the genre but low TTK plus overwatch abilities and arcadey hitscan laser beams instead of actual real soldier abilities like leaning and crawling and guns that work like real guns it does not work.
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>>734166393
hero shooters are really not fine, they are the complete antithesis to skill full fps play.
For the style of ads low ttk shooter they made hero abilities dont belong.
Its not offering anything different its infact just derivative hero shooter slop
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>>734166328
Theres going to be pve
Problem?

Theyre fucking gating it behind late game shit where you need to grind extraction dogshit first
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>>734166493
The entire game doesn't suit a low TTK. From the abilities and lack of any real cover mechanics to the laser beams that can one shot you through the fog from across the map and tanky robots that unlike you can take entire magazines to the face. It simply isn't balanced at all. Just a bunch of shit bolted together at random and expected to just work.
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>>734166615
>Theyre fucking gating it behind late game shit where you need to grind extraction dogshit first
What
>suffer bad game design before game actually gets good
Its abad game then.
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>>734153520
>how can it be saved
Just enable pve mode. That is all there is to it.
PvP players have theirs, PvE have theirs.
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>>734166615
i bet that they are going to have S'pht seen on the store banner as a boss encounter, which os funny because the S'pht was an enemy on the first level of the og game.
They think they are being clever holding back content for a big surprise
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>>734166015
It'd be easier to name what Marathon doesn't have compared to it's competitors.
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>>734165050
she's the only one that looks noticeably worse than their trailer counterpart
the assassin nigga, destroyer, thief, etc look IDENTICAL
they hate my wife for no reason
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>>734166615
What? Is that true?

Can't you just queue up for the PvE map?
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I've said this before, and it would require a lot of work that it may not even be possible, but to me, the following would sound appealing:

1) Better contract design. None of this kill X boars nonsense. The missions need to be designed to get you fighting and engaging with the PvE. Stuff like survive 10 waves of enemies in a firefight, hunt down 3 mini-bosses across the map, each surrounded by an armada, carry a heavy ass bomb with you to plant it in a heavily guarded area, rescue a hostage and take them to a far away extraction zone, protect 3 generators in a 10 minute firefight, etc...
2) Don't give people the freedom to choose a contract. You and your team all get the same randomly assigned contract, so you're all on the same page. Have 90% of players be given PvE focused contracts, and 10% be given contracts focused on hunting other players. Add a wager system that lets you spend creds to increase the quality of your rewards if you complete the contract at the risk of losing more should you fail.
3) Enemy design needs to be so much better. More enemy variety, more frequent enemies, better enemy designs, and smarter AI.
4) Less frequent but better quality loot, so 90% of the match isn't just walking around looking at loot and disregarding most of it.
5) There needs to be a reason to keep collecting loot. Why am I getting all this gear and making my character stronger? Is it just to go back and do it all again? What's the actual end goal. The best thing I can think of is to have unique bosses on each map, all at different levels, that require you to reach a certain level and gather powerful enough gear to defeat them all one by one. So end game is reaching the highest level and collecting the heads of all the bosses.

These would completely change the gameplay loop to make each match feel more engaging.

Also a better control scheme and UI would help, and the game also needs character customisation. Having everyone use the same 6 heroes is weird.
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>>734166383
I don't need to understand Spanish to understand what's happening.
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>>734166830
cause they are going to milk your waifu with paid skins

Jokes aside i liked vandal her dialogue is super cute
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>>734166849
>PvE map
It's more like a map with more intense PvE / raid-like content, it's still going to have PvP in it. So even worse some covetous jew can take your hard-earned Maragoybux by just waiting for you to engage with the mechanics and striking when you're low
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>>734165050
Honestly… i kinda think Glitch looks better in game now, especially with the MIDA skin, holy fuck that ass…

Someone post the skin, im too lazy
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>>734163325
why are none of these in the game? they look better than what we got.
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>>734167010
how do you even see your own ass in a fps game. When i discovered the skins, the Traxus Vandal skin was my favourite, look cool as shit
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>>734164753
>fuck off back to cod
>saying this while defending cod-level TTK
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>>734167008
>>734166849
theres going to be high risk maps that a player can enter naked early
so you can get good gear really quick
but you still need to grind oht the good gear to have a fighting chance against the actual pve raids espdcially when ither players try to cuck you

basically it all just sounds incredibly gay and tedious
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>>734153520
I'd make an entire single player story mode and have multiplayer tacked on as an afterthought.
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>>734166886
Shells being mass production models is maybe the thing that makes the most sense about the game
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>>734167010
It doesn't look like an improvement.
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>>734167108
why would their outfits be mass-produced the way they are? im expected to believe everyone larping as an asian chink opted for the same style of jacket and hairdo? it's still odd.
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>>734153614
This. I honestly have no idea what people see in extraction shooters.
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>>734167147
they bogged her face for no reason, its MOTIVATED HATRED TOWARDS GLITCH
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>>734167089
when i wrapped my head around it i could see the way
You basically just fill your credit bank with max credits for the raid which is easy.
Fuck the starter kit. Go in with the bare minimum, one weapon, backpack, 3x hp and 3x shield and a bunch of ammo. Just pick up high value green trash, blues and purple. then safely exfil, ez your bank slowly goes up so does your loot vault
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>>734153520
>Make the game 3rd person
fuck you
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>>734167008
That's the most optimal way to play. Camping extraction with snipers, or ganling people whole they're engaged in PVE. Putting in no effort by looting or engaging with mechanics, because the people you kill will have done that for you.
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I like the visuals of this game
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>>734167272
make your voice heard fellow Glitch fan. go on the discord and give them troons feedback
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>>734153520
make it an arena shooter
remove sprint
remove ADS
longer TTK
put cool sci-fi weapons on the map
and single player
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If I did have one complaint with the weapons, a lot of them just don't feel as good as other weapons for PvP in general
>Shotgun is basically impossible to fight against
>Halo magnum two taps at 100 headshot damage each hit
>snipers
>dmr
>smgs and volt weapons generally just do not do much damage or hit very fast
>one machine gun is good, the rest suck
>assault rifles generally aren't very good
>bots either die instantly or take forever to kill
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SHILLS IN SHAMBLES BUNGIE IS FINISHED
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no sp for the price tag is a big no no for me. Theres actually better looking pve coop extraction shooters for half the price
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>>734167475
flatlined
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>>734153520
Make it a BR
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>>734167240
Every extraction shooter has their own appeal because they were incidentally an extraction shooter (except Arc and Marathon maybe, as they're much more meta)
>Hunt
Excellent western aesthetics, tactical gunplay placing a focus on accuracy, positioning, and patience over spamming, southern gothic is a fun setting and rarely used well
>Tarkov
Masochism + gun autism, generally very impressive gun customization
>Arc
Made in a meta sense to be extremely casual, can both troll and help other players. Very free-form, no wonder it attracts a lot of players.
>Marathon
Made for tarkov sweats but is aping shit from other games like Apex Legends, Destiny, but without the same type of raw masochism of Tarkov since the players are locked in and not going to leave Tarkov, less customization autism, meant to be a casual take on the genre in terms of getting in and getting out but also meant to be a sweatfest.

Marathon is just extremely niche by design, because Bungie and Sony or both run by retards who squander work and art talent
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>>734167319
Pretty much, but that's a very boring way to play
>>734167475
Is the game even playable right now? I thought it wasn't open until the 6th
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>>734153520
Make it level based like the first games.
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>Raid-like endgame PvE content.
>In an Extraction Shooter with a quarter second TTK.
They can't be this retarded right?
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>>734167671
Personally I think Hunt is the least extraction extraction shooter of the lot, mostly because it sort of ignores the meta progression of finding resources to upgrade stuff and moves it more to "use X items Y times to unlock Z things related to that item".
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>>734166886
>how to make game even more generic and worse
Good job, you've made the game even worse.
If you actually wiggled your brain, you would've come up with something that is a semblance of an actual mission:
>go to x, find and boot up terminal
>near x, find a linked coms relay to that terminal and establish uplink
>either destroy security units that home in on the relay OR find a spoof/distraction OR hack security terminal to mask it
>get data
>go to laboratory Y
>eliminate hostile lifeforms
>boot terminal and link systems
>initiate automated analysis proces
>spoof/destroy/mask/disable security
>get the sample and the data from finished analysis
>find security commander, destroy it (or if you are clever, hack it) and retrieve DCOM access key
>go to DCOM and beam the data and sample
>security alerted and access to security disabled, area-wide alert
>get to extraction point while evading (or destroying) security units
>leave
There, so much better. And mostly one-of-a-kind. Each area, each location on the map has its importance, value, and task, meaning one way or another it will be involved in a mission. There can be missions that require you to revisit the areas previously explored and worked in, though what you will do there will not be the same as in previous one.
>loot
Reason already is there - upgrades from factions, barter/exchange, information for codex.
>better loot
Agree, yet it was a colony - people LIVED and WORKED there, so expect there to be a LOT of low quality shit.
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what if they make the characters cute?
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>>734167213
It's like Ferrari where they offer the shell in one model and you cannot make any alterations or they come to your house and execute you.
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>>734167867
Pretty much, it's one of the few games that doesn't ask you to extract at all to play. It's more of a PvP BR game with premade loadouts and no circle of death
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>>734167881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_mgqYb-GYw
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>>734153614
Honestly not a terrible FP
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>>734167475
>free playtime over
>OMG ITS FINISHED!
Game releases on 5th, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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Is the wrkncacnter in this game?
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>>734167452
The energy weapons fuck but you need to be really close or the projectile travel time screws you, the rounds are so slow they'll miss somebody strafing at like 15 feet
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destiny is shit i dont know why people defend it
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>>734162042
Yeah it worked wonders for Bethesda.
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>>734167841
They are that retarded.
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>>734168076
i heard some faggots speculating it is. Theres an anomaly that is making the plants evolve fast
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>>734167319
This shit is why you need those safety pouches, otherwise doing objectives or fighting over them isn't worth it. You should be able to secure most important loot so risk reward isn't lopsided for exit campers
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>>734167705
Making someone else's game miserable, proximity chat, teabagging scrubs, and getting a free pass to grief can be pretty fun.
Not 40 dollars worth of fun, but fun none the less.
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>>734164710
Lol, what textures? This is probably how this shit look like
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>>734168143
not sure if you are being sarcastic or referring to 76 but they made a fortune out of that game by converting to entirely pve and dropping the pvp entirely.
76 is actually pretty good.
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>>734168076
>>734168179
Picrel.
Also, dont go into Quarantine.
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>>734167989
This was cancer dude.
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>>734168239
I can understand doing that, but treating the gameplay like it's a zero-sum experience only really makes you burn out faster due to the repetition. It can be fun every now and then though yes
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>>734164710
Dont play on a potato.
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>>734168209
I think extraction points being rng on a 5 minute timer already works pretty well for deterring exit camping, but they should maybe also not make it take like 30 seconds to start the beacons up on top of shooting a huge beam into the sky when you do it since I imagine it's pretty easy to just sit in the middle of the maps spinning around until you see a beam go up and then sprint over to it.
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>>734153520
I would have hired the original marathon and halo writers to come back and make a proper single player campaign
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>>734168096
Everytime I tried to use the autoaim gun it stopped me from getting headshots and lost me fights. I'm sure it can be usable but generally it seems like a lot of weapons, especially against AI, just have better alternatives. Shotgun 2 shot+punch is just straight up better against the AI though volt weapons shred through shields rather fast
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>>734165226
Idiot, you will have to pay for the game and ALSO have seasonal passes and payed stuff, much better right?
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>>734168315
How are you even capable of getting into quarantine or some of the other places? I couldn't spawn any keys. Anything interesting or worthwhile there?
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>>734168315
Is he going to be ok?
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I really hope we get more maps with claustrophobic, winding interiors. The few places that were like that in the first two maps were a welcome change to how open the exteriors were.
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>>734168179
The new game and really the whole series plot is easy to predict if you have 2 brain cells but people aren't talking about it for reasons that are beyond me. Conflict/chaos and banal monotony has this thing between it that accelerates a being, and as something realizes that and approaches it they approach enlightenment. Hence the W'rkncacntr rapidly evolving things to their destruction and the corporations forcing you into a gig economy nightmare (or Strauss forcing our favorite green boye to open and close doors for 300 years). There is a sameness to hyper processed foods, for instance, that compels a person to disgust.
The themes are really obvious but I don't see anyone talking about it and it's driving me a little bit nuts.
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I'd buy it for 20 bucks but paying 40 and getting bungo'd into spending another 20 on it is too much
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>>734168315
post the grimace shake exploded head guy
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The aesthethics are disgusting.
This is not an opinion, it's an objective fact.
It looks repugnant and causes repulsion on a visceral level.
Your gut is constantly screaming "this feels wrong".
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>>734165325
you again
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>>734168431
Volt weapons, especially the autoaim/tracking excel at medium range where reliable damage wins fights.

Also works well as a suppression tool to allow for flanks.
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>>734168686
its not that bad stop exaggerating
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>>734165226
>lootbox gachaslop
>trannywatch
Fuck off you literal subhuman
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>>734167869
>go to x, find and boot up terminal
press X on glowing object
>near x, find a linked coms relay to that terminal and establish uplink
press X on glowing object
>either destroy security units that home in on the relay OR find a spoof/distraction OR hack security terminal to mask it
kill enemies or press X on glowing object
>get data
press X on glowing object
>go to laboratory Y
walk to X
>eliminate hostile lifeforms
kill enemies
>boot terminal and link systems
press X on glowing object
>initiate automated analysis proces
press X on glowing object
>spoof/destroy/mask/disable security
press X on glowing object
>get the sample and the data from finished analysis
press X on glowing object
>find security commander, destroy it (or if you are clever, hack it) and retrieve DCOM access key
press X on glowing object
>go to DCOM and beam the data and sample
press X on glowing object
>security alerted and access to security disabled, area-wide alert
kill enemies
>get to extr
walk to X

nice. you added a bunch of fluff to draw out boring objectives.
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>>734168686
the color palette really doesn't help it any
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>>734168569
>>734168179
I just figure if it would be more interesting that in your attempt to help these corporations their corporate AI figurehead becomes more advanced and starts making shit happen that you might not necessarily want
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le epic reductionist post!
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>>734168476
You dont need keys for the main Quarantine building. Places locked with the keys/passes are usually with some good loot or some very specific contract thing that you dont need. Mind you - we were playing DEMO - so no full features.
As for the Quarantine in itself - spooky mold stuff. Like, if that was even 10% of their troubles, no wonder the colony went bye-bye.
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>all the shells are based on a pop star
Vandal is Yolandi
Assassin is Marlyn Manson

Who are the others.
I was thinking today Recon might be Rihanna because she has a ginormous 5 head
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>>734168743
yes it is
a corpo take on disgusting dystopic future-corpo aesthethics loops back to being just that:
disgusting corpo aesthethics
it's not social commetary/satire/whatever when you just have a box labeled "SHIT" and put shit in it. It's just a box of shit like it says on the label at that point.
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>>734168287
You're retarded.

Think about it a little: what was the last "Futuristic Skyrim" Bethesda released? Dumbass. Was it a sucess?
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have everyone load into the game with just a pistol, weapons are spawns around the map, shield auto regens and health are pickups that spawn around the map. add vehicles to the map.
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>>734168912
i just zone out when i hear the word "corpo"
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>>734168857
That'll happen too for sure.
>>734168686
he's right, and that's a good thing. It's like picrel.
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>>734165714
what are you on about?
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>>734167671
Marathon might have good PvE

I think the issue is that Marathon needs MORE enemy NPCs that require multiple squads to beat
The kill on sight directive is boring and the low ttk encourages that you immediately kill someone else
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>>734168686
die nigga die nigga die nigga die
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>>734168939
Shartfield wasnt but Fallout 4 is one of the biggest selling games of all time you actual giga retard and it has the same game play loop of looting and shooting
Just because bethesda is a fuck up company doesnt mean other companies should make scifi space open worlds
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>>734168597
I am not that anon (dont even know what you are talking about).
Here is this though - apparently drinkable meat (that is not meat) and liquid cheezeburgers are a thing.
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>>734168358
>but treating the gameplay like it's a zero-sum experience
I'm not treating it like that. It is that. You die, you lose everything. You don't die, you keep everything. Dying nullifies the past 20 minutes you spent engaging with the game.
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>>734169076
Why can't we have consumables like in Tarkov, let me drink the Huelburger.
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>>734168912
>This gross thing that's supposed to be gross is gross and that's why it's bad
Nigger make up your mind
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>>734168686
kys
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>>734168975
a lot of the feed back that is being prioritised is from women who say they dont care about scifi at all.
Its a certain type of foid reprobate that hates scifi because they are dumb and anti-stem and hate fiction
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>>734153520
removing the faggot filter would be step 1
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>>734169098
20 minutes of progress is normal to lose in a video game. That's not even that bad
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>>734168967
the difference between marathon an cruelty squad is that the latter goes:
"look at how disgusting the world ends up being if you would take this ideology to it's logical end-point", in other words
>maybe we shouldn't go this way
and marathon goes:
"we are actively taking the world to that disgusting end-point, now give us your money",
>we don't care that we're going this way
I could have put that into words better but w/e, too early to effortpost
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>>734169058
shouldnt make*
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>>734168861
it's true thoughbeit
>hurr durr, i'm not just pressing X i'm le hacking!!!
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>>734168686
The only visuals that are irritating are the bits in the loading screen. That whole-screen-blue is eye-rape. Game really should either have epilepsy-induction warning OR just rework them.
As for you - bitches like you complain about everything. God's halo is too bright, Satan's horns are not curvy enough, towels are not soft enough, air is too fresh - fuck off, back to the padded cell with you.
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>the aesthetic designed to make me uncomfortable is making me uncomfortable
It must be so painful to be a midwit.
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>>734168967
I just know the Arachne nigger will be the most popular one and if it goes that way we'll be playing on the edgetopia version of Tau Ceti hypothetically, since I don't plan on buying the game barring friends getting into it
>>734168979
>Might have good PvE
We'll have to see how the other enemy encounters go. USCE aren't good PvE I would say, they're generally overstatted outside of the basic guy and their damage output is pretty absurd
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>>734169234
What? What are you even talking about? Marathon is not portrayed as an ideal future at all. They're both parodies.
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>>734168686
WE ARE ON TARGET
REPEAT
WE ARE ON TARGET
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>>734168802
Anon, games are just
>press x
>press x
>press x
>press y
>press x
And so on. Click-click-click. Just fucking admit it you are hissing over nothing because you are rump-wrangled.
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Arachne rep reminded me of Rhulk
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>>734168896
>Assassin is Marlyn Manson
With that voice?
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>>734169292
I'll play with you anon if you join us
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>>734169287
This is why, fundamentally, conservatives can't make art and only propaganda and kitsch
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>>734169137
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>>734169385
just the look its so fucking obvious. its literally a joke, because assassin is the edgelord he looks like MM.
And Vandal is a trashy little punk girl so she looks like Yolandi
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>>734169164
what?
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>>734169407
Trust me anon, I'm an arachne-fag too
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>>734169137
>consumables
You are 3Dprinted cyborgs, you dont drink/eat.
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>>734169309
if you really try you might actually get the point being communicated
try again
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>>734169137
We are cyborgs anon…
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>>734169530
I understand you're whining about trannies and leftists anon, you're not clever.
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>>734169508
Why not?
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>>734169418
thats ironic because faggots have a tendency towards kitsch, the word is even synonymous with fags.
And many ips taken over by leftoids suddenly became kitsch.

Leftists ONLY make propagamda, so your comment is leftoid nonsense and the inverse of reality
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>>734169508
>>734169589
Your chosen gooner still has internal organs like lungs and a heart, and you bleed (synthetic blood, admittedly). Only makes sense that you would actually eat, were your soul not ripped out of your body along with the transmat into some storage
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>>734169287
>che guevara t-shirt ahh post
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>>734169214
In Resident Evil 1, maybe. I don't know the last time I lost 20 minutes of progress without gaining anything. 5, 10 maybe? Sure. 20 minutes is a whole goddamn episode of Seinfeld.
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>>734169658
you eat fruit drinks out of a bag
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>>734169164
That's sadly not a woman exclusive position, there are plenty of men who get confused and angry at science fiction that dares to go further than a fancy scope on an AK
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>>734169456
Idk who the fuck is Yolandi.
Anyway, think of it from the game's universe prespective - why not have SHELLS be designed in the image/fashion of popular people of the past? Think how peeps in 1910's went gaga for egyptian aesthetics. Maybe its something like that for them in 2700s-2900s too - re-discovering in media archives images and videos of popular singers from the beginning of 2nd millenium.
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>>734169598
not liking actual, irl corposlop like marathon, has got nothing to to do with lefties and trannies though
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>>734166667
People complained in the alpha that the TTK was too high. You can't have high TTK in an extraction shooter, it leads to the player with worse gear having zero chances of beating someone with good gear. Also makes it too easy to just run away from engagement. The whole hero + extraction shooter idea is a cursed design problem that is unsolvable. It was a mistake from day one to assume there's much design room to deviate from the Tarkov formula.
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>>734169612
Dont need to because SHELLs on Tau Ceti dont live long enough to want a drink or a snack.
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>>734169679
I've lost upwards of 6 hours of Minecraft inventory at once. I'm retarded, sure. But I think 20 mins is fine.
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>>734169718
well yeah but im referring to a type of woman that seems to just hate scifi
Its the female equivalent of a macho man hating weeb shit
If you allow women like this to have a say humanity will go extinct
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>>734169727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWyRJFcjATw
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>>734167869
His post was pretty good and your post sounds seething and retarded. Fucking autist, you added nothing.
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>>734169718
Sci Fi is a wide ranging genre and we have WAYYYYY too many space Sci Fi games. And not enough Sci Fi like Fallout and Cyberpunk 2077. People are bored of space Sci Fi and want more grounded Sci Fi.
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>>734169625
This but replace leftists with conservatives
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>>734169779
Not him, no it's fucking not. You're gonna lose that 20 minutes around 30% of the time, 50% if it's balanced with some sort of skillbased algorithm. For each hour of gameplay you waste 20/30 minutes which feels awful, due to randomness you'll have streaks of 40, 60, 90 minutes wasted even
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>>734153520
>How would you "fix" Marathon?

I have an easy 3 step plan:
1. Take all content and gameplay that currently exists and put them in the trash.
2. Reinvent the game as a story-focused single player FPS/adventure hybrid that retells the story of the original three Marathon games with higher production values and better map design.
3. You'd lose a lot of money but you would have made a game that's pretty cool, instead of forgettable slop.
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>>734169892
no, no not at all this applies to leftists. i mean the prog flag is the very definition of kitsch its just a whole bunch of retarded colours
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>>734165050
Why is she posing like a gorilla?
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>>734169732
So what, it should look like something else? What else? What's your idea that's better? I think the fuckass duplo Bauhaus 3d printed shtick is very relevant right now and parodying it by splattering clown vomit blood on it over and over is pretty funny.
Tau Ceti had a plan that even has those annoying AI generated ad renders, but the real deal sucks and is subject to the forces of nature.
I'll argue this all night, I'm in an effortposting mood. You can not like it for some reason but it is good art made with a real disdain for the thing we both hate.
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>>734169658
>were your soul not ripped out of your body along with the transmat into some storage
Anon, what the fuck are you on about? No soul is being ripped out - the whole entity is deconstructed to just information signal. You literally have descriptors in loading screen and upon exfiltration that state that SHELL is being turned from matter into energy/data. You just pilot a SHELL.
Read from the screenshot: matter transfer.
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>>734153520
>2026
>bungle

Not even once.
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>>734169938
But...what about the shareholders?
the game exists only for the shareholders
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>>734169757
You cannot make a game with death being this massive issue where you are booted back to the main menu while losing all your shit but also make dying really easy and have a game that anybody except the world's biggest masochists want to play. In milsims where you die easily you also have actual cover mechanics, peeking through cracks in doors, the ability to go prone and realistic weapon behaviour which have been stripped out of this game in favour of overwatch abilities, double jumps, air dashes and pew pew lasers.
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>>734153520
At least a 12 hour long single player campaign.
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>>734170002
Sometimes, in order to make a good game, you have to make the shareholders lose a lot of money.
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>>734169943
Conservative art is Kid Rock, Facebook AI slop and Thomas Kinkade. Every single real artist to ever exist was a progressive
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>>734169931
I've lost more than that in Sea of Thieves pretty regularly. It's fun.
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>>734167240
>I honestly have no idea what people see in extraction shooters.
My guess is it's the same kind of rush people get from gambling. Every run is a high stakes run. You either extract with loot or you lose everything.
What I really don't get is why Bungie and Sony thought it'd be a good idea to sink fuck tons of cash, time, and resources into an extraction shooter. Anyone with half a brain could tell you it's an extremely niche market. Hunt gets like 15k players on a good day and Tarkov average like 13-15k players. They'd be lucky if they even managed to break even with Marathon. Even fucking Activision had enough sense to just add an extraction shooter game mode to CoD rather than make an entirely separate extraction shooter CoD game.
The only possible explanation I can think of is that a bunch of executives at Bungie came up with the idea of making an extraction shooter on a AAA budget after sitting in a board room huffing space gas until they killed enough brain cells to be considered clinically retarded.
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>>734170052
Conservatives can make good art, when their entire identity isn't being a partisan culture warrior faggot.
Same with leftists.
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>>734170052
American Mcgee is conservative and a MAGA supporter hes also super popular with foids
Doug Tennapal is also conservative
Salvador Dali was conservative

The list is endless.

You leftists are retards and just lie.
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>>734170061
Sea of thieves is TDM, it doesn't have a progress system akin to marathon
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>>734170046
I don't like that
I've been told that somehow shareholders losing money on games hurts oppressed minorities
though I guess the point always was that the oppressed minorities referred to were always actually the shareholders
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>>734170154
>Salvador Dali
Was an avant garde fascist (i.e. a progressive), not some conservacuck
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>>734169993
Sure, you pilot it, but how do you pilot it? What is piloting it? (You) sold your soul to some corporation and they're forcing you to inhabit these shells to pay off your contract
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>>734167240
>>734170072
Extraction shooters are just poorman's DayZ/Arma

Theyre the braindead sibling of Battle Royales that liked risk reward autism more
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>>734170154
>American Mcgee
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>734170052
the whole
>artists are fabulous gay leftists
>conservatives are only working class manual labourers and stem
possibly the most schizophrenic form of propaganda the left has poisoned western soceity with.
Doesnt mesh with reality at all. Leftists are just GRIFTERS, they want the cushy lifestyle of a designer and feel safe in their own niche away from gay bashing working joes.
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>>734170175
All games are inherently pointless and for bragging rights and fun.
>>734170072
It was a stupid idea but I got a game I like. Hope it lasts over 1 year but if not, oh well. Sony are retarded for thinking it would be huge
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>>734170301
You're talking to a guy who thinks Salvador Dali was conservative. He's a retard, leave him be.
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>>734169860
His post is what already happens in (to the limit of my knowledge) in fallout 76. Its not fun, its boring as shit and makes no sense regarding actual consistency of the world. What he described is the generic MMO/co-op list of activities. Its the "go to a place that has a very specific function and dont do anything that is related to its function but just shoot these guys that spawned there because you pushed some button button" type of activity.
>fucking autist
What, asking for consistency is being autistic now?
>added nothing
I beg to differ.
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>>734170319
>and stem
Most stem people are also progressives. Conservatives are just dumb untermenschen golems
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Any Marathonfags here?

Does that game actually have interesting enemies? Because the UESC are insanely fucking boring. At worst they're just gear checks.
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>>734170238
he was a christian conservative retard
>>734170301
Mcgee is a Trump supporter and anti-wooe advocate
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>>734170238
>>734170301
I don't know if posters like these are dishonest or really just such smoothbrains, but conflating singular issues to represent some hard-divide of political dichotomy shouldn't get a pass in
>the current year
the whole red team blue team -mentality is mental illness of the highest degree, even if manufacturedly so
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>>734170401
thats the other lie they push.
>le all geniuses are progs
While being rabidly anti-ai technology. You are frauds and liars.
Just claiming artists and science as yours is a lie and rhetorical propaganda
Leftists are the most anti-science Luddite fucks on the planet
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>>734170443
>Mcgee is a Trump supporter and anti-wooe advocate
That doesn't automatically make him a cuckservative you dumb nigger.
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>the vast majority of everyone of note in history would fall into some category of chud/conservative by modern standards
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>>734170443
>he was a christian conservative
Yeah man, the avante garde cubist dadaist futurist fascist who revered Picasso was some Ned Flanders christcuck conservative
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>>734170434
We dont know because we played BETA that is missing a lot of things. Who the fuck knows. Maybe we will be fighting aliens in Outpost map and on the ship. Maybe.
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>>734170443
>donate annually to LGBTQ+
>anti-woke
nigga please

>>734170536
Well I don't have to conflate single issues, because I can find multiple issues. What type of MAGA person is this? The "choina has better ideas than Trump" kind?
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Its insane that their isnt a single player to this. Like a throwaway weekend rental campaign or anything. Like its from the makers of De Tiny PP game why not structure it like that?
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Everyone of note in history was the progressive of their time.
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>>734153520
high ttk
that's literally it
that's literally all you have to do
make it halo ttk or something. please. im begging you.
the ttk is not fine
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>>734170443
anti-woke
>>734170356
you are intellectually disabled and a liar

>Politically, Dali supported the successful elimination of communism from Spain by Franco. Spiritually, Dali converted from atheism to Christianity after painting his "Vision of Hell."[3] Dali's father was a hardened atheist, while his mother was a devout Catholic.
>Dali supported the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco (even painting a portrait of Franco's granddaughter) and declared himself monarchist in his 1970 book Dali by Dali. He also denounced surrealist filmmaker Luis Buñuel as an atheist. However, his political views were more of an artistic pose than the product of sincere convictions.

But he often denied being a fascist. In his autobiography, he writes:

“ "They called [...] from me that I should finally decide to become a Stalinist or Hitlerist. No! [...] I would always stay up to death the one who I was, and only Dalí Dalí! I did not believe in the communist revolution even in the National Socialist revolution. " Salvador Dalí
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>>734170746
>why not structure it like that?
Costs too much to make and can't be monetized as well as the MP component.
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>>734153520
this game triggered my autism so i'm going to sperg out 1/2

1. game concept
>add singleplayer campaign and casual pvp / coop gamemodes like Halo

2. setting
>change time frame to be during the events of marathon 1 / 2 with all the wonderful things from those games
>corpo wars shit should be less pronounced and more focused on the MARATHON and the pfhor

3.art style - general
as other anons said, black/white and neon works better
>reduced the overly artsy and colorful design of the ui and game world to create a plain canvas
>to contrast this, make specific locations that go all in on the games unique art style
>This will give a good baseline to allow the cool designs like the UESC to stand out.
>corporate factions should have far more distinct appearances like borderlands

4.art style - characters
make all characters conventionally attractive and allow players to pick gender
lean into the sci-fi bodysuit operative asthetic more. Like why do some of these characters in skin tight suits have no ass?
make characters slighly more uniform in a military way
make the characters all human or human adjacent like marathon 1
just make them attractive for god's sake

by character:
Destroyer:
>renamed to battleroid
>is literally just the guy from Marathon 1 - inifity
>make him white dude with buzz cut by default
>make the armor more halo-like as he is the predecessor of master chief
Recon:
>white girl blonde short hair blue eyes
>skin tight suit actually shows off body
>design fine otherwise
thief:
fine really
triage:
>WE WUZ ROBOTS AND SHIET
>make him look more like destroyer or recon with red cross style medical logos
>default appearance should be white or asian person with short - mid black hair
assassin
>give helmet that hides face with hood over top
vandal:
>make character more in line with 80's - 90's punk aesthetic rather than trannycore
>think hot chick with leather jacket
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>>734170629
no one cares about your "fascism" you groyper cuck degenerate. stfu and stop making noise.
>>734170707
>anti communist
>catholic
>monarchist
>and anti hitler and fascism
>not conservative

You horse shoes needs to be lynched
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>>734170786
>Commit to an action
>guy you didn't know existed peaks out of corner and nearly instagibs you
Games of this genre are always pretty ridiculous for shit like this with this sort of hallway level design
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>>734170947
2/2
Gameplay:
remove pinging enemies

1. weapon selection
>bring back all guns from marathon games as they are better than the ones currently present
>make all guns over the top action movie style guns. Think loud, high firerate, and lots of destruction.
>some low tier or stealth oriented weapons as well. I should be excited to find a high tier weapon that is literally a minigun

2. balance
make healing items more common but take longer to use - out of combat focus
>lower ttk slightly
>make shields behave like they are in halo, strong against bullets but weak to energy
>make downed characters have more health or time to live

by character:
Destroyer:
>keep jetpack jump
>change shield to be permanent, slightly transparent, allow use of 1-handed weapons, and first person
>change rocket ability as follows: Destoryer spawns with 3-6 dumb fire fast moving wrist rockets that deal 50-75% base max health damage based on direct hit or not. Small but deadly splash damage area.
>rockets can be destroyed or shot out of the air

Recon:
>change drone to be quad copter FPV drone with bomb. Can ping enemies from drone. Bomb does 66% base health damage with high fall off on splash damage. Long recharge time or limited to 2 drones per run.
>drone can be shot and destroyed
>change ult to be halo motion tracker

Triage:
change this guy to be support rather than medic.
>Q ability: uses med kits in inventory to shoot dart at teammates to heal them or revive downed players
>F ability: sends drone to shield self or teamamte. Permanent till shield is broken. Shield is equivalent to green / blue shield and stacks with equipped shields.
>drone is vulnerable to energy damage, heat, and emp grenades.

Assasin:
>Q ability: short ranged high drop neurotoxin dart that downs players in 10-15 seconds if they do not use antidote
>can be shot out of the air
>F ability: Halo active camo. Lasts a long time and drains much slower while standing still

Vandal:
>abilites are fine
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no one is surprised troons dont know what a conservative is
>a conservative is ned flanders
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>>734170737
>maga?
migga what?
I was just pointing out the obvious fact that going full direction-brain is a lobotomy for any societal discussion above kindergarden level
In case you are not following:
a chinese "conservative" and an american "conservative" will have very different ideas on a lot of issues, painting them both broadly with the label of "conservative" and calling it a day would be absolutely retarded
I would think stuff like this should be obvious
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>>734170786
Ok, shields saved you from getting caught out without your gun in an open hallway and headshot like 8 times. Is that supposed to be bad? Seems fine to me.
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>>734170831
You are so far up your ass hoping to find a "conservative artist" that you're claiming Salvador fucking Dali as equivalent to modern day conservatism. Shut the fuck up and go back to crying about Charlie Kirk, you gay faggot.
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>>734170737
are you going to pretend that a large number of MAGA supporters are not gays?
Fucking Peter Theil? remember milo

Despite what people say Trump isnt a fascist and he has no problem with gays.
Every one hates woke
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>>734170072
Tarkov fag here. It's gambling with your time. We all have our vices
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If you ask the average cuckservative untermensch if pic related is good art they'll call it satanic and immediately go back to looking at Facebook AI slop like the subhuman they are.
If you ask the average progressive they'll immediately recognize it as Dali.
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>>734171074
faggot you lost the argument, Dali is a fucking conservative. You are wrong, you belief all artists are not conservative is wrong.
A catholic, monarchist anti-communist is BY DEFINITION A CONSERVATIVE
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>>734170779
but still not progressive (enough) by modern standards, you can't claim just a finger from an ancient chud and call it "progressive", they we're 99,999...% conservatives by modern standards,
hell, a lot of them would be RADICALLY "conservative" (or "right wing") in today's landscape
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>>734171057
>IM POSITIONING AAAAAAAAAAAAH
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>>734171030
I didn't assign any position to American McGee besides pointing out that he isn't a Trump supporting conservative you faggot. Somebody labeled him as an anti-woke MAGA, but McGee admits
>he doesn't identify as sexually straight
>works with other weirdos and outcasts
>critisizes the foreign policies of King Migger multiple times
McGee is not a MAGA conservative.
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>>734171206
So? All this means is that present day conservatives are the losers of history
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>>734171132
faggot you lost kys. Fucking troon subhuman
>>734171259
He is a Trump Supporter he literally posted on his twitter wearing a MAGA hat and vocally supporting Trump and MAGA while also denouncing the woke prog movement.
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>>734171132
you didn't even bother building up a proper strawman, you're just tossing hay
0/5, lazy
you can do better
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>>734171319
Well if he ever was a Drumpf supporter he isn't anymore. These posts I screenshotted are very recent, all in 2026. These are his most recent opinions.
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>>734169327
i'm not seething over nothing. all my suggested objectives focus entirely on fighting enemies or fighting enemies while juggling a secondary objective. not one of my suggestions requires you to press x on a glowing object several times over and over again.
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PvE campaign is the easiest fix

have the areas distinctive styles instead of a mess of random colors and shapes
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>the only way to keep a Marathon thread going is to talk about politics
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>>734153520
Its so painfully obvious that this shitheap will never change solely because they devs who posted this question will never reconcile their daddy issues. Congratulations on making Concord 2. Don't let the door hit you on the way out to the 41%.
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>>734171319
Trump is a progressive
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>>734171132
Ahahaha absolute impotent seething in response to this
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>>734171265
>almost all the great men and women if history have views that majorly align with present day conservatives
You're living in the winners' world, most new and "progressive" ideas never stand the test of time.
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>>734171207
SAVE ME TRIAGEMAN I'M GOING INSANE
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>>734171380
https://nitter.net/americanmcgee/status/942185417759113216#m

Hes literally defending himself from accusations of being a "MAGA communist" cause hes simultaneously pro Trump and Pro china.
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>>734171543
Only the fittest survive. Every winning idea won against some crusty old idea that overstayed its welcome. Every great man and woman of history is a revolutionary putting forward these ideas against the cuckservatives of their time
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>>734171553
>2017
I'm posting his opinions from 2026. Also I'm going to remind you of his words that I posted:
>There is a reason why the Chinese refer to Trump as the Development King. He continues to accelerate the world toward unity against nonsense.
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All they need to do is raise the TTK and reduce visual clutter.
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>>734170993
i blame rampant cheating kinda normalizing this type of shit.
most people defending this are kids who only watch a peanut, dont play the games themselves, and other cheaters
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Normal shooter features is all it needs

Full offline campaign

Co op/couch deathmatch support

Not even that big of a jump
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>>734171421
it was bound to happen because the devs are troons on a troon cord. Should see the steam page its just trannies sperging bout politics
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>>734171057
>Need to step out of cover to even see down the hall
>Some guy in the fog you can barely see starts ripping into you full auto and hitting you like it's a laser beam
>1 second later you are completely crippled and would have died if not for max level shields
Broken.
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>>734171380
even musk had falling outs with Trump
Trump will be just
>Mcgee i asked Musk to buy the Alice ip from EA for you
then Mcgee will be 100% on the maga wagon again.
Funnily enough he made a tweet saying just that.
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>>734171658
there's a difference in making slight adjustments to match the changing world and keeping (conserving) 99% of things that work the same, because they already work
and claiming all that came before is shit and all your new stuff you just came up with is "The Truth" of progressivism
Conservatives can change the bathwater
Unhinged progressives will throw the baby away with it.
And yes there are unhinged conservatives too who will keep the baby in the water when it starts boiling.
And there are less unhinged progressives who understand they need to be conservatives to a degree.
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people dont know what a conservative is. Its actually an economics thing, conservatives are more prudent aka conservative with societies finances.
Leftists are radical lunatics, that just want change for the sake of it and recklessly spend because they have the economic understanding of a retard.
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>>734171952
Elon is an insecure faggot who only cares about making himself richer. He simped for Trump to get regulators off his back, but he burned bridges with the main consumers of EVs, the liberals, so he's taking what he can get by quietly bribing GOP pedophile protectors with campaign donations.
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>>734171983
>slight adjustments
lol
History is the history of massive progressive change. Even christcuckery represented a (perhaps the greatest) religious paradigm shift relative to the pagan world.
Only the fittest survive, not the oldest. If the old isn't fit anymore, it gets tossed.
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every political opinion expressed here in this thread is cancer seriously just go die for israel already
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>>734172097
Thanks unc
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>>734153520
Honestly just needs a campaign.
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>>734171773
>Not even that big of a jump
Yes, it is.
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>>734172142
>progressivism is when dildo on head and man in skirt
You troons dont even know what progressive means. The word in its correct usuage has ZERO to do with your politics, this is like the hijacking of the word gay.
Conservatives were always the progressives, they implemented the first welfare system and other societal changes for the modern world like the enlightenment.
You trannies are fucking stupid
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add a biogas emission mechanic that fills a zone with toxic fumes to disorient and obscure targets. the emitter could be a giant femshell, hypothetically speaking.
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>>734153614
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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>>734170301
I keep seeing the term neurodivergent, still no idea what the fuck it means. But the only context I glean is somewhat retarded, not quite clinically, but maybe getting there.
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>>734172248
thatd actually be a cool environmental hazard
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>>734172313
i think its faggot speak for "not normal"
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>>734172313
It's PC for they're autistic or similar.
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>>734172313
neurodivergent is nu-speak for mentally ill or disordered
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>>734172142
you're looking at progressivism and conservatism as if they are some humanity-defining ideologies uncompatible with each other
many do
they should be viewed as tools
conservatism is the brake you hit so you don't drive off the road
progressivism is the gas pedal you hit to get further ahead and not get left behind
you should be able to use both and steer things as a civilization
the difference is that a society will usually thrive better on the long term when it gives more predence to braking and doesn't go too crazy on the gas pedal and drive to a ditch
worst conservatives drive stagnation
worst progressives drive cultural suicide
99% of conservative ideas get passed on from generation to generation
99% of progressive ideas drive into a ditch
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I've never seen the benefit of having individual developers opine about their game on social media. Isn't that the point of a PR/Communication director/person/team?
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>>734172440
I don't disagree. Progress (by definition) leads though. Conservation sits in the cuck chair and makes sure Progress's advances don't get tossed out
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>>734172440
progressivism has nothing to do with leftists politics. They appropriated the word.
A progressive society used to mean one that was improving for all the people in it.
Not catering to less than 1% of the mentally ill trannies
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>>734161398
Third person isn't the way
Especially not for this ip
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>>734172562
you dont even know what you are talking about when conservatives were historically the progressives.
You are just a retard fascist.
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>>734172452
Based UI dev standing his ground against the short attention span zoomers. Honestly, my respect for Bungie just went up.
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>>734172646
Magic isn't real and a dead Jewish man didn't rise from the grave, you dumb caveman
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>>734172731
schizo babble. We are done here. You are an idiot
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>>734165050
trailer made by actually good artists that put time and a shit ton of effort into making her the protag of the video, the model obviously isnt game ready, probably about 300k polys rendered with something like arnold which would obviously look better than any real time renderer
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>>734172757
>schizo babble
Like claiming Jewish men can rise from the grave
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>>734172575
I strive to use the term with its actual meaning
>>734172562
you should really let go of the blue team red team -mindset, it's gonna fuck your head up
your argument taken to its hyperbolic extreme is
>I don't need brakes where I'm going
which while fun, is obviously suicidal
You need both. And you actually need a hell of a lot more of the upkeeping and conserving of working old things than you do of the exciting new stuff.
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>>734172832
I don't have a "blue team red team -mindset". We're all on the same team--team Progress (that includes Conservatism, which is lead by Progress)
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>>734166830
>>734165050
This character is one of the main indicators of the issues with the visual direction imo
Game would feel a lot more cohesive if we got variations of futuristic tacticool shit like
>>734163325
rather than the punk emo scene slag that looks like she should have gotten a real job ten years ago
>androids and cyborgs can look however they want!
It's just silly seeing concept fashion in corporate warfare
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PSN Ratings
GAME TITLE PSN RATING NUMBER OF RATINGS
Marathon 3.06/5 11,000+
Concord 3.5/5 7,400+


LOL
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>>734172921
it sure seems a lot like you need the "win" of defining things in a way that you can express
>lead by Progress, Team Progress
I don't think it's conductive to, well, progress, to frame things that way but whatever, not really a hill worth for me to die on.
People in general should become more objective of ideas and ideologies, viewing them more as tools and not as something to base your identity on.
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129,160,928 - UESC enemies killed
9,152,844 - Enemy runners killed
16,554,683 - Total deaths
997,950 - Rooks deployed
549,445 - Rook deaths
- - -
1.3% - No exfil matches
41.8% - Perimeter exfil rate
35.6% - Dire Marsh exfil rate
- - -
Assassin - Most popular runner shell
- - -
145,822 - Premium tick milk extracted
384,866 - Drinkable cheeseburgers extracted

https://youtu.be/VzbFZCVbheM?si=ZjoXIrrMvKz1PwBn
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>>734173028
Concord bro(noun)s...we finally won!
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>progress leads conservatism
objectively a retarded belief and theory
Substitute progress in this mindset with radical communist and conservative with western because thats what the faggots saying that mean
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>>734173098
I don't need a "win", it's just how things are.
Progress makes a change, Conservation keeps it around until it's no longer fit for purpose, at which point Progress sweeps it away (Conservation seethes a little bit but he doesn't know what's good for him).
It's called Survival of the Fittest and it's how the universe functions.
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>>734173241
your views of how the world works are infantile and stupid
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>>734169214
Would be fine if you actually enjoyed that time and didn't spend the majority of it sneaking around to open random boxes or in the UI
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>>734173309
Evolution through natural selection and the principle of the survival of the fittest is the most explanatory and corroborated scientific theory ever devised
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but you should be mindful of the fact that most of the "progressive" changes lead to losing and only the winning solutions get conserved, making it by definition the winning side
when 9/10+1 changes lose and 1/10+1 wins, only the 1/10+1 gets conserved, the 9/10+1 of progressives get swept to the trash bin of history
the +1 is for the people who do nothing and win
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>>734173432
meant for
>>734173241
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>>734173415
progressives hate evolution and social darwinism is a retarded belief of clinical sociopaths and not actual scientific or darwinian.
You just prove every post you are a horseshoe degenerate
You arent even using these terms properly progressivism has nothing to do with social darwinism
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i dont think its gonna concord for the mere fact that the catalog was actually usable during the sever slam instead of a bunch of OH NO NO NO BROS I THOUGHT WERE WERE GONNA SLAM THE SEVER steamchart numberfag posts
and of the 1-2 threads up at any given time, half of the posts were genuinely discussing the game
the artstyle didnt even become a /v/-wide meme. divisive sure, but a lot of anons saw the vision
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>>734173532
even the shills hate it
CONCORD 3
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>>734173432
If the change lost it wasn't progress. What matters is that it's Progress that produces change and potentially winning solutions, and then Conservation keeps it around. Survival of the fittest, not oldest.
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>>734165519
Leaning and peaking is gay, everyone gets encouraged to play like pussies, semi camping on corners rather than dancing around each other weaving in and out of close combat
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>>734173715
if you are going to apply darwinian principals to sociology and politics. you are low iq
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>>734167337
He looks like a Roblox character
Why is he so stubby?
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>>734173715
>>734173432
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734173787
Okay I guess I'll just apply christcuck magic instead then. Thanks Mr. Galaxy Brain
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>>734173715
Your analogy of evolution and survival of the fittest doesn't really apply when rather than it being varied individuals that might or might not work "progressives" in politics try to change all of society into a form that doesn't actually function.
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>>734173842
you are a retard, Darwinism isnt a faith you mentally ill idiot
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>>734173842
>>734173875
>>734173892
>>734173787
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734173875
you are talking to a mentally 14 year old poltard
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>>734168076
It's the most silly fake name they came up with for the OG trilogy. Phfor and sphth sounds cool
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>>734173875
Evolution operates on a population level, so there's no problem there. The social form is what's subject to the selection pressure
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>>734173953
Not all at once it doesn't.
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>>734173892
Sorry, but magic isn't real
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I don't really like the word "fix" here, because it suggests that it's something that's promising but is undercut by a few things that would otherwise make it good. This is extraction slop, and "fixing" it would mean turning it into something novel instead of a cash grab for the current FPS trend.
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>>734153520
Just like Highguard, there's not a button to "fix" this
The faults are from the core itself, so it's almost to rewrite and repurpose a bunch of things, maybe even half of the proyect.
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>>734173953
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734173953
evolution has nothing to do with your "social form" you idiot. its not a ladder, its a fucking random thing
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>>734168061
270 players in prime time is fucking grim
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>>734168179
>>734168315
What does it have to do with accelerated evolution? That's sounds like someone talking about durandal/infinity if they only played select levels while half asleep
Durandal learns what it needs to do to protect itself from entropy from reading archives about the thing iirc
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>>734174083
Highguard can be fixed by making it PVE
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>>734174139
Magic isn't real.
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>>734169287
>sumimasen bungie we just bought you for 3.6 billion dollars, whatcha workin on
>a poorly made take on an extremely niche genre with a polarizing artstyle. it will have 4 maps, 1 gamemode at launch and will cost $40. players of this genre usually have a home game that they are almost religiously attached too but im sure we can pry enough away that it will be nothing short of lightning in a bottle
>arigato. Consider updating your resume bungie-san
im sure blast havers will be enough to keep this going for a decade until it gets unceremoniously carved out like Destiny 2
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>>734168896
Just what I wanted in my gritty sci-fi shooter
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>>734174157
>>734174139
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734173715
>If the change lost it wasn't progress.
but we will ultimately know only after the fact, thus what are called "progressive" solutions do lose, they lose most of the time actually
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>>734174283
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734174283
And because they try to enforce it upon everyone at once it takes everything down with it when they do.
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>>734174283
>>734173715
this retard is obviously a bot talking to himself
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>>734174219
i dont care about your spergy beliefs
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>>734174334
it's better use of this thread than whatever corposlop of the month marathon is
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>>734174350
nobody cares you retarded bot
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>>734174441
>>734174389
>>734174334
>>734174267
marathon will flop my dalit friend
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>>734174283
The alternative is stagnating and having a 100% chance of dying
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>>734174441
Sorry were we getting too deep into the intellectual ideas behind the game for you? Sorry.

BING BING WAHOO PEW PEW PEW YOU WIN

Is that better?
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>>734170324
>All games are inherently pointless and for bragging rights and fun.
Only if the gameplay is fun
Opening loot crates is an insane recreational activity
They should remove all loose loot crates and instead dynamically spawn loot together with enemy encounters while pinging everyone so you herd players into each other
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>>734174416
I don't care for Jewish men rising from the grave
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>>734167240
It's multiplayerfags trying once again to get the same feeling of "singleplayer" but "in multiplayer".
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>people who think evolution is a progressive ladder
>people who think evolution is about people deciding evolution
>people that think evolution is a faith substitute
Quite literally never studied it and should be painfully euthanised.
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>>734174528
kek
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>>734174525
If you are going for the evolution argument then it requires two things:

1 - it must be contained to itself or else there is no diversity
2 - if it's bad if must be allowed to fail rather than propped up merely because it's different.
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>>734174608
no one cares about your jew obsessed schizophrenia anti-semite.
Also enjoy iran getting its ass turned inside out
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>>734172650
Hashtag fontsloptakeover Hashtag based Hashtag designersrepublic Hashtag deviantart
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>>734168686
>>734168912
You're a manchild faggot. The aesthetic is the only appealing thing about this game, and is what is currently attracting most of its attention, since its gameplay certainly fucking isn't.
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>>734174661
evolution does not apply to politics. its a scientific thing not a social sciences thing (which is not science) stop being a half wit.
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>>734174751
Evolution can be applied in a lot of ways. It's an algorithm.
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>>734174729
gameplay is actually quite good just wrong genre and not tuned correctly
>>734174786
it cannot. Its a specific fucking theory and is not applied to anything
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>>734153614
fpwp holy shit
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>>734174751
There social world supervenes upon the material one you daft cunt
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>>734174807
You don't really understand it then.
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>>734174831
*The
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>>734174807
>gameplay is actually quite good just wrong genre and not tuned correctly
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>>734174831
no it doesnt. Evolution will mean in a thousand years everyone around you including you will be dead and your genes wont pass on (thank god)
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>>734174729
>appealing
>attracting most of its attention
these are not the same thing
a neon colored turd in the middle of the street might grab my attention for a second when I walk past, but it sure as hell ain't appealing
not for anyone not on the subcontinent at least
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>>734174915
Oh, so the social world isn't implicated in the chain of cause and effect? You believe in magic and are a retard.
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>Bungie dies by Summer 2026
Finally
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>>734174848
LOL faggot evolution is not an applied thing its something humans have no control over natural selection is in the most simplistic terms random chance of death.

Being selected means you "died" and it can be something like a brick falling on your head
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>>734174915
>>734174831
>>734174786
>>734174751
>>734174623
>>734174528
>>734174998
nobody cares you retarded bot
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>>734173000
they keep pushing personalities on to the characters because players can't relate to them otherwise or some shit like that
I also think the character designs clash with the world, would much rather have generic soldier #6561 than these reddit chungus stereotypes
also the whole artstyle needs to be more like the trailers, which some anon pointed out pretty well
>It's more like, the game's fog is shit, the water isn't quite the same eye-catching milky white and instead some grey murk, the blue blood is excessively tasteless without the contrast, the plants and colors in general are much less vivid. It's like they put a greyscale on the game that was just not present in any of the art, trailers, or early design. I don't know why, the color saturation at least makes the plastic aesthetic more cohesive and the terrible lighting really clashes with the cloth physics and weird religious futurism design they have going on with flowing banners.
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>bigger maps so you can explore more
>maps have extremely esoteric puzzles to solve locking out areas that can be opened by the community- more emphasis on resolving mysteries in general
>more kinds of public events, like one that opens up a gate that leads to an instanced PVE mission
>AI is way more oppressive, less "they might kill you if you're slow to react or meander in with bad gear" more shit that fucking wastes you almost immediately with little room for counterplay if you're unprepared, should feel like a rat
anyone who says "make it like other games that have been made thousands of times that i like more" is DUM and BORING
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>>734169292
No, the Arachne faction will be the most popular because you complete its goals by default. There’s no reason to spare or ignore enemy teams unless you’re actively running away from a superior team. The game is built around shooting other Runners.
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>>734175014
It's order from chaos and it's how we breed animals.
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>>734175014
>>734175062
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734174973
>these are not the same thing
And yet I explicitly used them in the manner to deliberately tell you that they are, you turd worldie faggot.

If you actually think the gameplay looked good you might as well go play whatever dogshit Fortnite clone is popular with gen alpha right about now.
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>>734175062
Faggot you are dunning kruger. Breeding animals is not evolution or natural selection by definition its unnatural.
Stop getting your views from the nazis you low iq mentally ill dumb shit
Eugenics =/= evolution.
People like you need to be fucking euthanised you are dangerously low iq
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>>734175141
Yes it is. The only difference is rather than natural selection we choose what gets to breed.
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>>734153520
>but just as an exercise, how could it be saved?
throw the extraction shooter concept away because the people on staff are too fucking stupid to make it fun or compelling, offer a faster version of counter-strike's hostage mode to buy time to think of something better. you can make it f2p and sell a battle pass or two if you want.
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>>734175141
>>734175062
>>734175168
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are a disgusting retarded turd
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>>734153520
>persistent servers, if undesirable then make rook a respawn button
>grant two thirds of the upgrades as just default play components and move the core installs to upgrades in a sub-section that you can switch between matches
>make every single menu accessible with one key press regardless of what menu you're in
>make a contracts screen on the main menu that lists every contract and who it is for
>remove rail gun and jolt pistol
>add more travel time projectile weapons
>make snipers and shottys appear more often and have more variety
>make weapon mods that change a weapon's base behaviour
>rename heat to auxiliary power and make it so sliding doesn't cost any
>either make sprinting uninteruptable or replace slides with short dash that can only be performed on the ground
>triple the TTK and rebalance the weapon damages around it
>make the game free with optional paid maps that can have opponents but can be fun enough without any, this way you can skip queue times and players arguably get what they pay for
>unironically add tdm
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>>734175168
no it isnt, NOTHING you are discussing is evolution darwinian or natural selection.
Its just impotent poltard nazi fantasy.
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>>734168315
The most fun I had with this shit game was cleaning Quarantine from UESC bots with just stealth + knife
Spooky as fuck. If the game was just that part I would've preordered immediately, but as soon as I left the area I was reminded that these moments of an actual video game are intrinsically linked to hours of a shitty genre for zoomers
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>>734175141
>>734175168
>>734175256
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
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>>734175256
You can also take it a step further and rather than directly choosing what gets to breed you instead manipulate the environment to produce something that thrives in it.
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>>734175006
Nah, Marathon won't be that big of a disaster. They'll end up doing a couple round of layoffs and try to regroup. Stem the bleeding which may work for a while. I mean, look at Ubisoft. How the hell is that still going? I'd say the earliest they would shut down is 2030.
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>>734175318
people like you if your idiot ideas would take hold would result in the accidental extinction of the entire human race.
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>>734175256
>>734175318
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
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>>734175339
>They'll end up doing a couple round of layoffs and try to regroup. Stem the bleeding which may work for a while. I mean, look at Ubisoft.
Ubisoft isn't owned by a Megacorp, they are the megacorp. Bungie has obviously been pissing off Sony, look at any of their earnings calls.
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>>734175374
Science bitch.
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>>734175409
nothing you are saying is science
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>>734175374
>>734175409
>>734175429

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
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>>734175024
>also the whole artstyle needs to be more like the trailers

The whole game should be more like the trailers. This shit is cool as fuck. I'd play this video game. I'd watch this movie/TV show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbEnWLRo1s

Reminds me of Final Fantasy. They would put out these crazy cinematics that were the bomb, then follow up with a turd of a video game. Where does all this effort for trailers come from but then the video game, the thing most of your company is built to make, turns out shit.
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>>734153614
>and turn it into a new Destiny but less neglected
Half the appeal of destiny is the fashion why the fuck would anyone who wants a dress up simulator to go with their looter shooter play a game as ugly as marathon
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>>734175429
Oh but it is. For example lets say you are doing it with bacteria in a petri dish. If you add an antibiotic to the agar then it will kill most of the bacteria. You then take the survivors and plate them out again, do the same thing with more antibiotic. This will produce a strain of bacteria with antibiotic resistance.
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>>734165050
>can go prone under a truck
>destroyer deploys a shield instantly
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>>734175487
the trailer was outsourced to some kino bigwig
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>>734169287
>its le shit on le purpose le le le
>shitty reddit wojak
ok loser
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>>734175520
>advocating making drug resistant bacteria
Humans are more complex than bacteria with a longer and thus slower evolutionary cycle. People cant possible foresee the consequences of applying eugenics to humans. Hypothetically you breed an entire generation with a congenital disease or gene that makes them susceptible to a virus and they all die due to natural selection.

You are unfathomably dumb and cant comprehend this. Natural selection works because its a long process of finding out what works over thousands of years.

None of what you are saying is evolution or natural selections.
We breed animals and plants to use as food and they are all weaker less rugged and have congenital diseases and birth defects and die in the wild until they become feral due to natural selection
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>>734153520
equipped gear you brought in with you cannot be lost or looted is the immediate fix that would cause 90% of their "it's just not for me" people to buy the game

long term you need to add full procgen labrynth style maps (jesus fucking christ, the art style they went for screams proc gen). more and harder enemies now that people aren't losing their shit except on wipe day, and some sort of story content that happens IN THE GAME rather than in a VN logbook
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>>734175520
>>734175754

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734175754
You're just going off on one now. I merely gave you an example how how manipulating the environment can be used to drive evolution in the way you want it to go at a level above literally breeding animals. Evolution applied.
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>>734175816

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734175764
they simply need a way to insure items or put them in save bags or apply a tag to them so they leave a match with you.
Make it a rare item find, like a exfil tag you can apply to a gun or something
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>>734175816
that may be evolution, but not natural selection. You are imposing conditions to artificially drive the selection
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>>734175754
>Natural selection works because its a long process of finding out what works over thousands of years.
It didn't work for the dinosaurs. Although, you could say it worked overall since mankind has the potential to prevent a disaster that killed off the dinosaurs. On the other hand, the dinsosaurs existed for hundreds of millions of years and humanity has only existed for a few million at best and only 200,000 years in the most exact terms.
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>>734175928
The selection is natural. The environment isn't.
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>>734175928
>>734175945
>>734175948

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734175816
faggot i studied this in university. you have zero idea what you are talking about.
You are a braindead nazi wannabe. No person should have control over peoples reproduction. This is just you being an edgy faggot motivated by bitterness and malicious politics
Its impossible for humans to play the role of god and thats what you advocate.
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>>734175974
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734175974
So did I. Applied Bioscience.
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>>734175974
>No person should have control over peoples reproduction.
We deny the opportunity for adults to fuck breedable children.
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>>734175928
its not evolution, its eugenics

Evolution is two concepts
natural and sexual selection
And natural takes precedent
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>>734175948
natural selection happens without human intervention. As soon as we interfere with the process, we have selective breeding
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>>734176012
>>734176015
>>734176026
>>734176037

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176012
no you did not. I studied evolutionary biology
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>>734176037
In this example you aren't choosing what survives, just applying pressure through the environment where not all will survive.
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>>734176072
>>734176104

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176072
Doubt it considering you get all emotional when discussing scientific topics.
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>>734176026
If humans are natural, then what humans do is also natural, and by extension, human eugenics is also natural. Unless you want to admit that anthills, bird nests, beaver dams, destruction of plantlife (grazing) and killing for food are unnatural events.
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>>734174164
>Highguard can be fixed by making it PVE
kek what the fuck man where did you get such a silly idea
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>>734176142
>>734176157

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176037
interfering in the process is basically eugenics and its not possible for humans to foresee the consequences so its very dangerous.
Like a eugenicist being dumb would create say a perfect looking group of super model people (or at least try) or maybe geniuses too.
But by accident creates an entire cohort with mental illness and immune disorders and they just die
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>from the makers of halo and destiny

except halo is like a 25 year old franchise and the games industry replaces staff or opens/shuts game studios sometimes within a single console generation

there is fucking nothing about bungie that resembles the original halo development team
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>>734175024
its to fit in with the hero shooter shit. they have to differentiate the classes in silhouettes so you dont think the guy you're shooting is actually the guy you shouldn't focus on shoot

but again they just didn't really flesh shit out. some reason the combat medic is a black bald guy with like, nothing on him
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>>734176180

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176142
because retards like you genuinely anger me
>>734176157
evolution is not intelligent its not intelligent design. attempting to "intelligently" influence it is dumb
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>>734176267
Why? because I know how to apply biology?
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>>734176191
There was nothing left of the Halo release team that resembled the original Halo development team. They were all virulent Mac cultists who walked the instant Mickeysoft bought it.
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>>734176290
theres no university that has eugenics on its curriculum you braindead poltard freak
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>>734176180
>interfering in the process is basically eugenics
Humans do that and have done that since the beginning of human existence.

People choose who to mate with. They did it hundreds of thousands of years ago and they do it today. You, me, anyone will not randomly choose anyone to fuck and start a family with. They choose based on the quality of their potential mate. Though that selection process, an individual determines what qualities they do or do not want to be passed on to their potential offspring. It's called Assortive Mating.
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>>734176327
Where the fuck are you getting eugenics from idiot? Do you even know what that it?
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>>734176267
>>734176290
>>734176327
>>734176342
>>734176353

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176180
>eugenics
that's a specific case of selective breeding applied to humans, not the general case. I'm not concerned about the ethical issues around that shit, I just interject when anons misuse terms
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>>734176353
because what are you advocating is eugenics idiot.
>>734176342
Sexual selection, kts different to a third party deciding. And like i said sexual selection is overridden by natural selection. Eg the Peacock

You are dumb possibly brown and didnt even pass highschool
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>>734176438
No idiot. Eugenics is selective breeding applied to humans.
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>>734176296
Well you know i'm right, the "from the makers of halo" is purely marketing.
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>>734176389
all "selective"
>>734176453
Eugenics IS NOT evolution or natural selection retard. Full stop
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>>734176492
You are the one bringing it up retard.
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An OSRS style death mechanic would be kino
>normal areas and missions you keep your three most powerful items. Makes it so you don't get completely cucked if you die
>regular missions offer incremental but steady upgrades with a rare chance to get a significant upgrade
>introduce outer areas that have higher level npcs and less cover but it comes with very significant upgrades with the caveat that you will lose everything if you die
Having a high risk high reward area helps keep people that want that masochistic loop out of the noob stomping areas where people who want to play more casually are 3 iteming and having a reason to want to use their high level shit instead of running with trash constantly.
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>>734176389
>>734176438
>>734176453
>>734176492
>>734176517

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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Marathon 4 fucking sucks. Fatman on chubby stadium is a better game mode than this. Quantum V2 is a better map than dire marsh. 30 days of night on cold storage mogs Marathon 4
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retards don't understand what these terms mean
>natural selection
Being selected means you werent selected by god or a person. It means you were killed.
>survival of the fittest
isnt referring to how fit and strong you are. Its you passing on your genes.
Theres a third concept called fecundity that makes this redundant anyway but thats more advanced and you wont get it
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>>734176517
stfu you dunning kruger imbecile
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>>734175974
>Its impossible for humans to play the role of god
Humans are the sole reason dogs exist we are for all intents and purposes gods
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>>734176646
Social forms are subject to the same principles
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>>734176492
>>734176646
>>734176682
Eugenics is evolution and natural selection. I have a biologist degree, unlike you.
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>>734176646
>It means you were killed.
weren't killed*
>isnt referring to how fit and strong you are. Its you passing on your genes.
It does mean the best adapted to the environment survive to breed while those that can't handle it don't.
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>>734176267
>evolution is not intelligent its not intelligent design. attempting to "intelligently" influence it is dumb
Evolution is intelligence. The process of evolution advantages the intelligence. The lifeform that has the best chance of succeeding is often the one with the biggest brains. Also, I have no idea why you're talking about Evolution, intelligence and intelligent design based off of my comment. It has nothing to do with any of those.

>If humans are natural, then what humans do is also natural, and by extension, human eugenics is also natural. Unless you want to admit that anthills, bird nests, beaver dams, destruction of plantlife (grazing) and killing for food are unnatural events.

>attempting to "intelligently" influence it is dumb
Like getting kids into school early in their life? Like feeding children better food that will enhance their mind? Like going to see the doctor often to check up your health? Like wearing glasses to correct the "natural" decay of your eyesight? Like spreading the idea of human rights and democracy to the masses so they enjoy a better quality of life?

Why is the genetic world off limits when humans do so many things to intelligently influence the outcomes of their lives? Shit, people already fuck around with genetics. Do you think people don't know things like height or baldness or skin color are not genetically tied? If they want certain types of babies, you can already play the genetics game without any medical intervention.
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>>734176721
>>734176715
>>734176682
>>734176646
>>734176517
>>734176492
>>734176757

nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176682
You have demonstrated that you don't really know what you are on about regarding biology so either that university education was wasted on you or you are simply full of shit.
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>>734175339
>They'll end up doing a couple round of layoffs and try to regroup
they did that when final shape bombed lol, they fired so many people that destiny 2 went from 50k concurrent players to less than 10k
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>>734176775
>>734176757
>>734176752
>>734176730
>>734176721
>>734176715
stop typing for several days
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>>734176785
stfu you dunning kruger imbecile
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>>734176438
>Sexual selection, kts different to a third party deciding.
So, if an individual wanted to decide on their partner based on the genetic make up of a potential mate, you'd be okay with that as long as the decision was a mutual agreement?
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>>734176757
evolution is not intelligent its not intelligent design. attempting to "intelligently" influence it is dumb
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>>734176852
You don't understand even quite basic concepts of how to apply biology or what certain terms actually mean so no, you have never studied biology at uni.
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>Enter Marathon thread
>Quick skim
>Something about Salvador Dali's politics and eugenics
What the fuck lmao
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>>734176872
stfu you dunning kruger imbecile. what are you advocating is eugenics idiot.
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>>734176890
If you're smart, you're not demonstrating it by ignoring a large block of argumentation and evidence so that you can repeat the same post you made half an hour ago.
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>>734176785
the fact you continually try to say eugenics is natural selection and keep trying to apply it to politics outs you as a dunning kruger poltard with zero clue on what hes discussing
>>734176757
T. total retard. Nothing about evolution is intelligent or favours intelligence. The most numerous creatures on our world are retarded.

Evolution could easily mean creatures like blind mole rats succeed
Evolution is NOT a ladder. this is the first thing in the text book imbecile. Its tree, its not a progression to a more advanced life form.
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>breed dogs to have numerous deformities that put them in a lifetime of pain and suffering
>this is perfectly fine
>breed humans to improve the quality of life for both individuals and society
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT ITS A VIOLATION OF OUR AUTONOMY
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>>734175487
>retard dies
>killer girl takes 3 hours to loot because UI sucks
>another retard chases her
>she dies to bots because TTK is super short
>retard loots her and is too busy smelling bungie farts and gets sniped by another guy across the map that found a heat scope

i dunno the trailer seems pretty faithful to the real game
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>>734176904
stfu you dunning kruger imbecile
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>>734176935
>what are you advocating is eugenics idiot.
I'm pretty sure you're a troll at this point.
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>>734176982
>this is perfectly fine

Most people agree that it's a bad thing to do actually
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>>734176981
The only one bringing up eugenics is you retard. You had a sperg attack about me talking about applying evolution which you didn't even know was po9sible and then incorrectly assumed this was eugenics showing that you haven't a clue about any of this.
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>>734172452
Sometimes it's okay, Tim Cain on youtube is acceptable but maybe thats just because there is alot of emotional distance between now and the 90's.
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>>734176958
evolution is not intelligent its not intelligent design, retard.
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>>734176529
this is just arc raiders safe pockets with extra steps
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>>734176982
but what would exactly stop people from accidentally making ill humans with deformities and congenital diseases if they cant even get it right with dogs.
You fucking retard.
>>734177037
no, retard you are literally advocating eugenics and trying to pass it off as darwinian you sociopathic schizophrenic liar
Never reproduce we DO NOT need more of your fucking stupid kind on this earth
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>>734177012
>Most people agree that it's a bad thing to do actually
Thats why french bulldogs and pomeranians are two of the most popular breeds worldwide
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Single-player Campaign like Stalker.
Diablo like corpse run where dying makes you drop your gear and you get one chance to recover it.
Gear is not as hard to get as a result.
This easiest people in to the multiplayer aspect.
Because if people are fine whit losing gear in SP tey wont mind it as much in MP.
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>>734176998
stfu you dunning kruger imbecile
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>>734176982
Choosing your spouse is itself selective breeding. I think the underlying fear with actively pursuing a eugenics approach to society is that we eventually find undesirable traits necessitating eradication, at which point the argument comes forth: do we stop allowing certain people with certain characteristics to have children? If an anomaly off the approved path appears, do we terminate it? Even if against the pleadings of the parents? This is obvious cruelty, and eugenics eventually would need to rationalize it. The implications are what people oppose, and history has shown we are not averse to indiscriminate destruction of perceived undesirables. Let the people fuck, and let the humans emerge that may.
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>>734176981
>T. total retard. Nothing about evolution is intelligent or favours intelligence. The most numerous creatures on our world are retarded.
>Evolution could easily mean creatures like blind mole rats succeed
>Evolution is NOT a ladder. this is the first thing in the text book imbecile. Its tree, its not a progression to a more advanced life form.

No, I'm pretty sure Evolution advantages intelligence. Because humans aren't going to evolve into single-cell organisms. Dinosaurs weren't going to evolve into bacteria. Even a tree only grows in two directions and both are for food. The number of a species doesn't make it more "evolved", but the intelligence does.
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>>734177126
Just because you own the dogs doesn't mean you are actively breeding them you fucking idiot
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>>734177124
>>734177207
Shut up about eugenics, retard!
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>>734177189
it doesnt, theres quite literally no reason why humans wont evolve to be dumber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA

Most animals are not self aware or near human intelligence.
You are stupid and think evolution is like dbz
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>>734177124
>but what would exactly stop people from accidentally making ill humans with deformities and congenital diseases if they cant even get it right with dogs.
We did get it right with dogs, dumbass. They're deformed by design, because dog breeders wanted smaller dogs that are more convenient for pet owners, with no regard for the actual dogs well being.
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>>734177189
Nothing about evolution is intelligent or favours intelligence.
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>>734177264
Evolution advantages intelligence, now shut up.
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>>734177207
>Just because you own the dogs doesn't mean you are actively breeding them
It means you actively support making more of them. If you cared about these dogs the only reason youd buy them is to have them euthanized.
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>>734177275
no, retard you are literally advocating eugenics and trying to pass it off as darwinian you sociopathic schizophrenic liar
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>>734176982
this is sort of the folly of censorship, when you freeze an idea in time like this without being able to rigorously test the idea with the scientific method all the arguments for and against it are obsolete and old. This would be like if medicine was cancelled in the 1800's because a few too many people died from bloodletting, all thats happened is now generations later people would still be operating with the same baked-in issues and cannot move forward.
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>>734177373
>Just because you own the dogs doesn't mean you are actively breeding them you fucking idiot
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>>734177326
you are objectively wrong it doesn't favour anything.
Its not a ladder.
You are dumb
>>734177275
put a poodle or bull dog in the wild and see how well it does
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>>734177264
Humans wouldn't evolve to be dumber because the dumber wouldn't be more likely to succeed and using a comedy film instead of hard data is very silly.

Here's a better example: The most advanced, developed, and high IQ nations of the world are not reproducing themselves at replacement levels. Instead, they are being overwhelmed by immigration from dumber, third-world populations. In this example, the dumb are more numerous and more willing to breed.

However, there's a counter-argument to that. The advance, developed, and high IQ world could just one day decide to bomb the shit outta the third-world populations and kill them all.

Which is why I would say the high IQ nations are more likely to survive. But maybe not. Suicide is a thing and it can happen on a national level.
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>>734177384
you have no idea what you are talking about you dunning kruger imbecile
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>>734177434
You are stupid and think evolution is like dbz
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>>734177434
lots of geniuses die forever alone and stupid people have tons of kids.
Our society isnt full of geniuses. If intelligence jsnt advantageous it will not increase and even go backwards.
You are retarded.
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>>734177373
>It means you actively support making more of them.

So you're going to punish the customer and not the breeders.

Okay, good to know you're a fucking retard.
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>>734177515
You are a retard. Humans wouldn't evolve to be dumber because the dumber wouldn't be more likely to succeed and using a comedy film instead of hard data is very silly.
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>>734177457
dont use reddit arguments at me silverback nigger ape
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>>734177518
>So you're going to punish the customer and not the breeders.
If nobody bought them breeders would stop producing more. Both should be held accountable.
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>>734177515
But the overall intelligence of the human race has gone up. We're all smarter than than ever before. The percentages of dumber to smarter may be the same, but overall, we're all getting smarter. Which has only enhanced humanity's grasp on the natural world, our planet, and the universe.
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>>734173532
The funny thing is that this meme artstyle is actually better and more effective than what the game is going for
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>>734177518
If you cared about these dogs the only reason youd buy them is to have them euthanized.
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im so glad ai gods will eventually be created and eliminate most biological human life, i cant stand the stupidity anymore
Literally who cares about nazi eugenics when we can have god intelligence super ai and artificial bodies.
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>>734177569
Good to know you're a fucking retard.
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>>734177597
If intelligence isn't advantageous it will not increase and even go backwards.
You are retarded.
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>>734177554
evolution doesnt care if you are smart or dumb idiot. Its completely unfeeling, unintelligent process, that only favours the lucky few who pass on their genes
>>734177597
not necessarily our recent ancestors were smarter and had faster reflexes.
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>>734177569
>>734177603
.>>734177661
I don't even own a dog.

You attacked me while doing absolutely nothing about the problem you're claiming you care about.

And you know what, I'll just buy a dog and cut it to pieces because you made me angry (just like people do in china).

Happy now? Fucking retards.
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>>734177720
You are a retard. Humans wouldn't evolve to be dumber because the dumber wouldn't be more likely to succeed and using a comedy film instead of hard data is very silly.
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>>734177758
you are a fail child, copy paste sperg
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>>734177720
>not necessarily our recent ancestors were smarter and had faster reflexes.
Which ancestors are you talking about? The WW2 ones? The Taiping Rebellion ones? The Napoleonic War ones? The Black Plague ones? the Age of Exploration ones? The Mongolian Empire ones? The Islamic Caliphate ones?
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>>734177720
The overall intelligence of the human race has gone up. We're all smarter than than ever before.
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>we should punish dog owners for buying deformed dogs

it's not even illegal, fucking retards
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>>734177793
Our recent ancestors were smarter and had faster reflexes. You are stupid.
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>>734177793
recent retard, like our ww1/2 and cowboy ancestors.
Please you are simply a poltard with zero grasp of any topic or reality
>>734177796
technically it hasnt
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>>734177848
>recent retard, like our ww1/2 and cowboy ancestors.
And how were they smarter and faster?
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>>734177848
stfu you dunning kruger imbecile
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>boo hoo my little shit dog has spine problems

I don't give a fuck what your family thinks
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>>734177864
You are simply a poltard with zero grasp of any topic or reality.
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go suck a cock you stupid fucking moron

maybe your throat would shut the fuck up if you put a dick down it you disgusting faggot
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it's so easy to fuck with these retarded bots
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fucking posers "oh my god the poor doggies :(" *jerks off to porn and does nothing*
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>>734175487
I dont understand, why this trailer looks so fucking good and the game looks like ass if its the same artstyle. What is happening that makes it work so well in the trailer while failing miserably on the actual game?
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>>734178029
see >>734175670
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>>734178029
because the game is probably running at 50% resolution to get a stable framerate
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oh my god the dog owners need to be punished *goons to anime for 6 hours and eats chipotle*
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>>734174164
You're literally describing that Horizon spin off and nobody is eating that too
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>>734178114
>>734178025
>>734177913
lol bot is now straight up talking to himself
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>>734178136
>that Horizon spin off
It's like nightreign aka fortnite. PvE as a campaign not retarded fortnite shit. Highguard would make a perfect Borderlands ripoff.
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oh my god :(((( doggies nooooo

*sees a dog suffocating to death in a car, does nothing because he's a pussy faggot*

yeah, punish me
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>>734178136
This game isn't PVP?
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>>734178154
I'm not a bot, you are just impossibly retarded I guess, only god knows how you got into your position in life.
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funny how the eugenics bots stopped responding all at once when you start fucking with their conversation
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>>734178217
>This game isn't PVP?
it was obvious just from the trailer
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ahh noooo poor buster our beloved family pet has died *ignores the 10,000 other dogs that lived in squalor and shit throughout history*
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>>734178263
I went to the shop actually.
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>>734178029
realistic lighting has a significant impact on visuals, especially one stylized to such a degree. In this particular case the bright solid colors and gloss of all of the surfaces reflect, bounce, and mix to create a very engaging scene at different light levels. You could probably come pretty close by enforcing an equivalent to 2077's RT overdrive mode but of course you can't take performance hits like that in a MP console shooter
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>>734178305
Shows you how much I paid attention to the trailer. Not even sure I finished it now that I think about it.
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You should shut the fuck up unless people actually speak to you.
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>>734178217
Nope its a pve team coop. Makes no sense
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>>734178324
>>734178029
you don't understand the smear filter is an artistic choice
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>>734168096
people are able to strafe in firefights?
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>>734172452
>white male dev standing up for his vision against hordes of ADHD zoomers
>he did nothing wrong

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