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Okay, I know this game is basically unsalvageable and the best course of action would be pretend it never existed, but just as an exercise, how could it be saved?
Heres what I would do:
Make the game 3rd person so you can actually see the characters, change the grey color to plain black. Black is more complementary to neon and would make the artstyle more bearable, and of course: make it a free to play.
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>>734153520
Scrap the whole extraction shooter concept and turn it into a new Destiny but less neglected
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Make the PvE significantly harder. Improve AI. Create a patrol system. Make minibosses. More enemy variety. Add aliens.
Make the objectives more interesting. Make the contracts more interesting and more difficult.
More maps. More claustrophobia. Linear maps would be fine.
More weapon types. Make it so you can carry multiple weapons, one of every type. Actually just have one weapon of each type but they're really different. Like a shotgun, pistol, assault rifle, rocket launcher, energy pistol etc.
Remove character abilities.
Add secrets and hidden doors.
Tell the story through terminals.
Remove multiplayer.
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>>734153520
Turn it into an FPS instead of an extraction shooter. No fun in killing someone taking some damage while looting getting killed because healing takes too long and then wait a few minutes for the next round. Also maybe it's all extraction shooters but the game feels pointless.
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>>734153520
>How would you "fix" Marathon?
Make it this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_Nt5isRTY
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>>734153520
Fire every tranny on staff
Fire all the toxic positive yes men
Make a co op friendly campaign so people know what the fuck the game is even about and leave the extractor slop for sweaty MP faggots
Match making is pronoun based. If the game detects pronouns in your profile you get matched with chink botters and racists
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I unironically had a BLAST
but it needs some fucking calibration before it releases
TTK is abhorrent, as everyone already said
Fucking bots are retarded bullets sponges
UI is fucking DOGSHIT, but at this point, im used to it, seems like thats standart for the whole genre, played Hunt Showdown for a while and im used to abhorrent fucking UI
Add mor actual lore and worldbuilding, its very fucking good, and i love the artstyle, those short vids that you get while doing contracts for the factions are amazing just visually
too much useless/annoying shit in the loot
and if fucking love for them to remove the shitty overheating/stamina system, but im sure they wont, cos no fun allowed. game has such fun, good feeling movement but you can barely use it. make it like apex, game that is actually fun to move around in
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>>734153520
If you want to play solo or play in duos, you're fucked. You just play arc raiders which has solo and duo lobbies instead of just 3 man sweat lobbies.
If you want pve, the enemies in the game all suck and are basically just player bots but spongier. You just play arc raiders for actually fun pve enemies to fight.
There is also nothing like high tier enemies to group up with other players which makes for fun team ups or tension of betrayals like arc raiders has with its enemies. This means you never team up with other players and its just a team shooter with dead quiet mics besides someone calling you a nigger.
If you want pvp its pvp isn't better than arc raiders or tarkov, plus marathon already has tons of hackers in it just from the server slam.
TTK is ass, if you want high or low TTK just play arc raiders or tarkov. Plus the heat mechanic is aids.
The only thing in it thats any good is its missions, but that's not a reason to play the game.
Thats also ignoring how the game looks insanely ugly.
There is literally no reason to play marathon over arc raiders or tarkov.
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Make a single player campaign with online co-op and charge money for it.
Make the multiplayer aspect free.
Put actual sci-fi weapons, not realistic weapons reskinned to be squares and rectangles.
Leveling up different factions give your character specific cosmetics.
Leveling up different factions grant you alternate abilities to swap from the default ones.
Put vehicles around the map, like the ones in Halo.
Make the women conventionally attractive.
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>>734153520
The extraction game mode is alright but not enough justify itself. Add a campaign ~10 hours or so in length that utilizes the extraction resource mechanics throughout it. Part of why the extraction shit sucks is you’re picking up garbage and don’t care about any of it, and all the lore is dripfed through an impersonal barrage of menus. Literally just having a campaign would solve most of this by introducing the game, its mechanics, and the world through something that isn’t menu spam.
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Increase TTK.
Increase ammo drops.
Make item icons more varied and different between each other.
Make the female shells have sluttier bodies.
Get rid of the snipers.
Otherwise it's pretty good.
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>>734153520
These are more thoughts about how to make extraction shooters as a concept more interesting
Their main draw that seperates them from other shooters in my eyes is ambiguous pvpve which leads to interesting situations. I think the biggest problem that leads all players into a shoot on sight murderhobo mode (besides minor balancing issues on the rewards side) is that its simply more effort to communicate cooperation than hostility. If you want to be hostile just about every tool you have and are looking for is catered to that and with a single mouse press you can make that decision. To cooperate with someone you need to take a risk and not immediately shoot them, hoping they do the same, then attempt to communicate with them through voice etc. Its just not worth the risk or reward so noone bothers so the game ends up a glorified deathmatch with extra busywork. Best way i can think of solving this is having some kind of request tool that you can use to easily ask for cooperation. Think of it like this
>can send a friendly ping to a nearby player with press of a button
>they can accept with the press of a button
>now both players are immune to friendly fire with eachother
>link breaks if too far away or if one player manually turns it off, but both cases have a 5 second timer informing everyone else linked together
Just throwing shit at the wall, but you get the idea. Something like that in a much bigger map with mofe players and objectives could be interesting, almost like a distillation of what makes mmos interesting but with the all the rpg cruft trimmed off.
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how about they make it actually run without crashing and with textures loading for a start?
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get a load of these casual midwitted faggots
you're just parroting the same 2-3 general faggot-only consensus
you're wrong AND dumb, so just fuck off back to cod or whatever retard closted homos like you play
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>>734153520
>fix marathon
Very easy.
Solo/team PvE mode.
Give Assassin a bonus to backstabs and a slight bonus to knife damage.
Give Destroyer's shield increased duration, speed boost to the missiles and enable them to be fired "dumb".
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>>734153520
Make it a single player game and get rid of the horrible art style. Make it based around the old games.
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>>734165050
The marketing firm that make the video had 0 troons on staff
Bungies lead designer is a troon
Correlation? No. Pure coincidence.
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Things can always be worse
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>>734153520
>and of course: make it a free to play.
People like you are the reason why I don't play multiplayer games anymore.
In a perfect world, the OG Overwatch model from 2016 would be the industry standard. There was literally nothing wrong with it. Fuck you and your seasonal meme passes. F2P is for mobile slop.
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>>734153520
Don't gave the intern the maps to paint when the style absolutely requires a master of art to make not suck (this likely being a large part of why the game looks good in the cinematics or concept art but is a trainwreck in game - the cinematics/concept were made by a skilled artist, the maps however were not).
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>>734153520
Trannies are running the show. There's nothing to be salvaged from the scrap heap.
Tarkov wasn't popular just because it's extraction. It offered two things that are a bit of a rare commodity. Gun autism, and milsim.
Division was an entire game, and the extraction gamemode in that was side content, something extra to do for bonus rewards
Call of Duty is fucking free for that gamemode. Won't cost you no 40 dollars, and has bigger maps with more players and customization. And allows you to put insurance on your gear so you don't lose everything you put so much effort into getting.
Marathon offers nothing unique. It's just extraction. 40 dollars, customization paid, horrendous UI, and I want to almost guarantee they will release new "shells" that you'll have to buy.
If it was going to become better at any point, it would've already been better. They have had years to learn from other games and learned nothing.
And guess what, people don't find it fun to spend 15 minutes gathering random sci-fi bullshit just to get sniped at extraction.
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>>734153614
more gato
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>>734165179
It's so funny when retards are against third person because it's "uncompetitive" or whatever the fuck, buddy, if the game is 3rd person EVERYONE will have the benefits of 3rd person, not just the people that like 3rd person.
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>>734153520
Stop trying to balance games around streamers and pvp mains. Arc showed them that they could have had a winning formula if it was more in the style of a Destiny extraction shooter but they've already gone too far down the road of a PVP sweatfest. Would take them 2-3 years of Bungie development time to actually fix it. It might not die a week after launch, but by the time the first wipe comes around I have a feeling it's going to cockshock people and it's going to be on life support after that. for as long as Sony is willing to drag the corpse behind them.
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>>734165519
Third person allows you to peek around corners which is fine in a game where dying is a massive issue. The first person equivalent is being able to lean so you don't need to expose your whole body to look arounds a corner but as this game has hero abilities on Q and E instead of leaning it is fundamentally broken as the milsimalike it is trying to ape.
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>>734153520
Give the game to anyone else but nuBungie.
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>>734165050
Bungie didn't make that trailer.
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>>734165198
>people at odds with nature and their own self producing a game about being at odds with nature and the human self are utterly incapable of producing anything beautiful, not even when having other people slightly course correct their shit for them.
Ben starr reading ozymandias ahh momment.
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>Unc game
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>>734166185
Nah I think it's fine. They should have their game offer something different to the other examples of the genre but low TTK plus overwatch abilities and arcadey hitscan laser beams instead of actual real soldier abilities like leaning and crawling and guns that work like real guns it does not work.
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>>734166393
hero shooters are really not fine, they are the complete antithesis to skill full fps play.
For the style of ads low ttk shooter they made hero abilities dont belong.
Its not offering anything different its infact just derivative hero shooter slop
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The entire game doesn't suit a low TTK. From the abilities and lack of any real cover mechanics to the laser beams that can one shot you through the fog from across the map and tanky robots that unlike you can take entire magazines to the face. It simply isn't balanced at all. Just a bunch of shit bolted together at random and expected to just work.
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i bet that they are going to have S'pht seen on the store banner as a boss encounter, which os funny because the S'pht was an enemy on the first level of the og game.
They think they are being clever holding back content for a big surprise
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she's the only one that looks noticeably worse than their trailer counterpart
the assassin nigga, destroyer, thief, etc look IDENTICAL
they hate my wife for no reason
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I've said this before, and it would require a lot of work that it may not even be possible, but to me, the following would sound appealing:
1) Better contract design. None of this kill X boars nonsense. The missions need to be designed to get you fighting and engaging with the PvE. Stuff like survive 10 waves of enemies in a firefight, hunt down 3 mini-bosses across the map, each surrounded by an armada, carry a heavy ass bomb with you to plant it in a heavily guarded area, rescue a hostage and take them to a far away extraction zone, protect 3 generators in a 10 minute firefight, etc...
2) Don't give people the freedom to choose a contract. You and your team all get the same randomly assigned contract, so you're all on the same page. Have 90% of players be given PvE focused contracts, and 10% be given contracts focused on hunting other players. Add a wager system that lets you spend creds to increase the quality of your rewards if you complete the contract at the risk of losing more should you fail.
3) Enemy design needs to be so much better. More enemy variety, more frequent enemies, better enemy designs, and smarter AI.
4) Less frequent but better quality loot, so 90% of the match isn't just walking around looking at loot and disregarding most of it.
5) There needs to be a reason to keep collecting loot. Why am I getting all this gear and making my character stronger? Is it just to go back and do it all again? What's the actual end goal. The best thing I can think of is to have unique bosses on each map, all at different levels, that require you to reach a certain level and gather powerful enough gear to defeat them all one by one. So end game is reaching the highest level and collecting the heads of all the bosses.
These would completely change the gameplay loop to make each match feel more engaging.
Also a better control scheme and UI would help, and the game also needs character customisation. Having everyone use the same 6 heroes is weird.
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I don't need to understand Spanish to understand what's happening.
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>PvE map
It's more like a map with more intense PvE / raid-like content, it's still going to have PvP in it. So even worse some covetous jew can take your hard-earned Maragoybux by just waiting for you to engage with the mechanics and striking when you're low
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>>734166849
theres going to be high risk maps that a player can enter naked early
so you can get good gear really quick
but you still need to grind oht the good gear to have a fighting chance against the actual pve raids espdcially when ither players try to cuck you
basically it all just sounds incredibly gay and tedious
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>>734167010
It doesn't look like an improvement.
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>>734153614
This. I honestly have no idea what people see in extraction shooters.
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>>734167147
they bogged her face for no reason, its MOTIVATED HATRED TOWARDS GLITCH
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>>734167089
when i wrapped my head around it i could see the way
You basically just fill your credit bank with max credits for the raid which is easy.
Fuck the starter kit. Go in with the bare minimum, one weapon, backpack, 3x hp and 3x shield and a bunch of ammo. Just pick up high value green trash, blues and purple. then safely exfil, ez your bank slowly goes up so does your loot vault
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>>734167008
That's the most optimal way to play. Camping extraction with snipers, or ganling people whole they're engaged in PVE. Putting in no effort by looting or engaging with mechanics, because the people you kill will have done that for you.
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I like the visuals of this game
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If I did have one complaint with the weapons, a lot of them just don't feel as good as other weapons for PvP in general
>Shotgun is basically impossible to fight against
>Halo magnum two taps at 100 headshot damage each hit
>snipers
>dmr
>smgs and volt weapons generally just do not do much damage or hit very fast
>one machine gun is good, the rest suck
>assault rifles generally aren't very good
>bots either die instantly or take forever to kill
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SHILLS IN SHAMBLES BUNGIE IS FINISHED
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>>734167240
Every extraction shooter has their own appeal because they were incidentally an extraction shooter (except Arc and Marathon maybe, as they're much more meta)
>Hunt
Excellent western aesthetics, tactical gunplay placing a focus on accuracy, positioning, and patience over spamming, southern gothic is a fun setting and rarely used well
>Tarkov
Masochism + gun autism, generally very impressive gun customization
>Arc
Made in a meta sense to be extremely casual, can both troll and help other players. Very free-form, no wonder it attracts a lot of players.
>Marathon
Made for tarkov sweats but is aping shit from other games like Apex Legends, Destiny, but without the same type of raw masochism of Tarkov since the players are locked in and not going to leave Tarkov, less customization autism, meant to be a casual take on the genre in terms of getting in and getting out but also meant to be a sweatfest.
Marathon is just extremely niche by design, because Bungie and Sony or both run by retards who squander work and art talent
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>>734167319
Pretty much, but that's a very boring way to play
>>734167475
Is the game even playable right now? I thought it wasn't open until the 6th
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>>734167671
Personally I think Hunt is the least extraction extraction shooter of the lot, mostly because it sort of ignores the meta progression of finding resources to upgrade stuff and moves it more to "use X items Y times to unlock Z things related to that item".
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>how to make game even more generic and worse
Good job, you've made the game even worse.
If you actually wiggled your brain, you would've come up with something that is a semblance of an actual mission:
>go to x, find and boot up terminal
>near x, find a linked coms relay to that terminal and establish uplink
>either destroy security units that home in on the relay OR find a spoof/distraction OR hack security terminal to mask it
>get data
>go to laboratory Y
>eliminate hostile lifeforms
>boot terminal and link systems
>initiate automated analysis proces
>spoof/destroy/mask/disable security
>get the sample and the data from finished analysis
>find security commander, destroy it (or if you are clever, hack it) and retrieve DCOM access key
>go to DCOM and beam the data and sample
>security alerted and access to security disabled, area-wide alert
>get to extraction point while evading (or destroying) security units
>leave
There, so much better. And mostly one-of-a-kind. Each area, each location on the map has its importance, value, and task, meaning one way or another it will be involved in a mission. There can be missions that require you to revisit the areas previously explored and worked in, though what you will do there will not be the same as in previous one.
>loot
Reason already is there - upgrades from factions, barter/exchange, information for codex.
>better loot
Agree, yet it was a colony - people LIVED and WORKED there, so expect there to be a LOT of low quality shit.
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what if they make the characters cute?
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>>734167319
This shit is why you need those safety pouches, otherwise doing objectives or fighting over them isn't worth it. You should be able to secure most important loot so risk reward isn't lopsided for exit campers
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Picrel.
Also, dont go into Quarantine.
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>>734164710
Dont play on a potato.
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>>734168209
I think extraction points being rng on a 5 minute timer already works pretty well for deterring exit camping, but they should maybe also not make it take like 30 seconds to start the beacons up on top of shooting a huge beam into the sky when you do it since I imagine it's pretty easy to just sit in the middle of the maps spinning around until you see a beam go up and then sprint over to it.
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>>734168096
Everytime I tried to use the autoaim gun it stopped me from getting headshots and lost me fights. I'm sure it can be usable but generally it seems like a lot of weapons, especially against AI, just have better alternatives. Shotgun 2 shot+punch is just straight up better against the AI though volt weapons shred through shields rather fast
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I really hope we get more maps with claustrophobic, winding interiors. The few places that were like that in the first two maps were a welcome change to how open the exteriors were.
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>>734168179
The new game and really the whole series plot is easy to predict if you have 2 brain cells but people aren't talking about it for reasons that are beyond me. Conflict/chaos and banal monotony has this thing between it that accelerates a being, and as something realizes that and approaches it they approach enlightenment. Hence the W'rkncacntr rapidly evolving things to their destruction and the corporations forcing you into a gig economy nightmare (or Strauss forcing our favorite green boye to open and close doors for 300 years). There is a sameness to hyper processed foods, for instance, that compels a person to disgust.
The themes are really obvious but I don't see anyone talking about it and it's driving me a little bit nuts.
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>go to x, find and boot up terminal
press X on glowing object
>near x, find a linked coms relay to that terminal and establish uplink
press X on glowing object
>either destroy security units that home in on the relay OR find a spoof/distraction OR hack security terminal to mask it
kill enemies or press X on glowing object
>get data
press X on glowing object
>go to laboratory Y
walk to X
>eliminate hostile lifeforms
kill enemies
>boot terminal and link systems
press X on glowing object
>initiate automated analysis proces
press X on glowing object
>spoof/destroy/mask/disable security
press X on glowing object
>get the sample and the data from finished analysis
press X on glowing object
>find security commander, destroy it (or if you are clever, hack it) and retrieve DCOM access key
press X on glowing object
>go to DCOM and beam the data and sample
press X on glowing object
>security alerted and access to security disabled, area-wide alert
kill enemies
>get to extr
walk to X
nice. you added a bunch of fluff to draw out boring objectives.
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>>734168179
I just figure if it would be more interesting that in your attempt to help these corporations their corporate AI figurehead becomes more advanced and starts making shit happen that you might not necessarily want
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>>734168476
You dont need keys for the main Quarantine building. Places locked with the keys/passes are usually with some good loot or some very specific contract thing that you dont need. Mind you - we were playing DEMO - so no full features.
As for the Quarantine in itself - spooky mold stuff. Like, if that was even 10% of their troubles, no wonder the colony went bye-bye.
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>>734168743
yes it is
a corpo take on disgusting dystopic future-corpo aesthethics loops back to being just that:
disgusting corpo aesthethics
it's not social commetary/satire/whatever when you just have a box labeled "SHIT" and put shit in it. It's just a box of shit like it says on the label at that point.
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>>734168857
That'll happen too for sure.
>>734168686
he's right, and that's a good thing. It's like picrel.
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>>734167671
Marathon might have good PvE
I think the issue is that Marathon needs MORE enemy NPCs that require multiple squads to beat
The kill on sight directive is boring and the low ttk encourages that you immediately kill someone else
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>>734168939
Shartfield wasnt but Fallout 4 is one of the biggest selling games of all time you actual giga retard and it has the same game play loop of looting and shooting
Just because bethesda is a fuck up company doesnt mean other companies should make scifi space open worlds
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>>734168597
I am not that anon (dont even know what you are talking about).
Here is this though - apparently drinkable meat (that is not meat) and liquid cheezeburgers are a thing.
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>>734168358
>but treating the gameplay like it's a zero-sum experience
I'm not treating it like that. It is that. You die, you lose everything. You don't die, you keep everything. Dying nullifies the past 20 minutes you spent engaging with the game.
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>>734168975
a lot of the feed back that is being prioritised is from women who say they dont care about scifi at all.
Its a certain type of foid reprobate that hates scifi because they are dumb and anti-stem and hate fiction
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>>734153520
removing the faggot filter would be step 1
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>>734168967
the difference between marathon an cruelty squad is that the latter goes:
"look at how disgusting the world ends up being if you would take this ideology to it's logical end-point", in other words
>maybe we shouldn't go this way
and marathon goes:
"we are actively taking the world to that disgusting end-point, now give us your money",
>we don't care that we're going this way
I could have put that into words better but w/e, too early to effortpost
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>>734168686
The only visuals that are irritating are the bits in the loading screen. That whole-screen-blue is eye-rape. Game really should either have epilepsy-induction warning OR just rework them.
As for you - bitches like you complain about everything. God's halo is too bright, Satan's horns are not curvy enough, towels are not soft enough, air is too fresh - fuck off, back to the padded cell with you.
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>the aesthetic designed to make me uncomfortable is making me uncomfortable
It must be so painful to be a midwit.
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>>734168967
I just know the Arachne nigger will be the most popular one and if it goes that way we'll be playing on the edgetopia version of Tau Cetihypothetically, since I don't plan on buying the game barring friends getting into it
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>Might have good PvE
We'll have to see how the other enemy encounters go. USCE aren't good PvE I would say, they're generally overstatted outside of the basic guy and their damage output is pretty absurd
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I'll play with you anon if youjoin us
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>>734169418
thats ironic because faggots have a tendency towards kitsch, the word is even synonymous with fags.
And many ips taken over by leftoids suddenly became kitsch.
Leftists ONLY make propagamda, so your comment is leftoid nonsense and the inverse of reality
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Your chosen gooner still has internal organs like lungs and a heart, and you bleed (synthetic blood, admittedly). Only makes sense that you would actually eat, were your soul not ripped out of your body along with the transmat into some storage
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>>734169456
Idk who the fuck is Yolandi.
Anyway, think of it from the game's universe prespective - why not have SHELLS be designed in the image/fashion of popular people of the past? Think how peeps in 1910's went gaga for egyptian aesthetics. Maybe its something like that for them in 2700s-2900s too - re-discovering in media archives images and videos of popular singers from the beginning of 2nd millenium.
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>>734166667
People complained in the alpha that the TTK was too high. You can't have high TTK in an extraction shooter, it leads to the player with worse gear having zero chances of beating someone with good gear. Also makes it too easy to just run away from engagement. The whole hero + extraction shooter idea is a cursed design problem that is unsolvable. It was a mistake from day one to assume there's much design room to deviate from the Tarkov formula.
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>>734169718
well yeah but im referring to a type of woman that seems to just hate scifi
Its the female equivalent of a macho man hating weeb shit
If you allow women like this to have a say humanity will go extinct
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Not him, no it's fucking not. You're gonna lose that 20 minutes around 30% of the time, 50% if it's balanced with some sort of skillbased algorithm. For each hour of gameplay you waste 20/30 minutes which feels awful, due to randomness you'll have streaks of 40, 60, 90 minutes wasted even
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>>734153520
>How would you "fix" Marathon?
I have an easy 3 step plan:
1. Take all content and gameplay that currently exists and put them in the trash.
2. Reinvent the game as a story-focused single player FPS/adventure hybrid that retells the story of the original three Marathon games with higher production values and better map design.
3. You'd lose a lot of money but you would have made a game that's pretty cool, instead of forgettable slop.
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>>734169732
So what, it should look like something else? What else? What's your idea that's better? I think the fuckass duplo Bauhaus 3d printed shtick is very relevant right now and parodying it by splattering clown vomit blood on it over and over is pretty funny.
Tau Ceti had a plan that even has those annoying AI generated ad renders, but the real deal sucks and is subject to the forces of nature.
I'll argue this all night, I'm in an effortposting mood. You can not like it for some reason but it is good art made with a real disdain for the thing we both hate.
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>were your soul not ripped out of your body along with the transmat into some storage
Anon, what the fuck are you on about? No soul is being ripped out - the whole entity is deconstructed to just information signal. You literally have descriptors in loading screen and upon exfiltration that state that SHELL is being turned from matter into energy/data. You just pilot a SHELL.
Read from the screenshot: matter transfer.
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You cannot make a game with death being this massive issue where you are booted back to the main menu while losing all your shit but also make dying really easy and have a game that anybody except the world's biggest masochists want to play. In milsims where you die easily you also have actual cover mechanics, peeking through cracks in doors, the ability to go prone and realistic weapon behaviour which have been stripped out of this game in favour of overwatch abilities, double jumps, air dashes and pew pew lasers.
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>I honestly have no idea what people see in extraction shooters.
My guess is it's the same kind of rush people get from gambling. Every run is a high stakes run. You either extract with loot or you lose everything.
What I really don't get is why Bungie and Sony thought it'd be a good idea to sink fuck tons of cash, time, and resources into an extraction shooter. Anyone with half a brain could tell you it's an extremely niche market. Hunt gets like 15k players on a good day and Tarkov average like 13-15k players. They'd be lucky if they even managed to break even with Marathon. Even fucking Activision had enough sense to just add an extraction shooter game mode to CoD rather than make an entirely separate extraction shooter CoD game.
The only possible explanation I can think of is that a bunch of executives at Bungie came up with the idea of making an extraction shooter on a AAA budget after sitting in a board room huffing space gas until they killed enough brain cells to be considered clinically retarded.
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>>734170052
American Mcgee is conservative and a MAGA supporter hes also super popular with foids
Doug Tennapal is also conservative
Salvador Dali was conservative
The list is endless.
You leftists are retards and just lie.
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>>734170046
I don't like that
I've been told that somehow shareholders losing money on games hurts oppressed minorities
though I guess the point always was that the oppressed minorities referred to were always actually the shareholders
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>>734170072
Extraction shooters are just poorman's DayZ/Arma
Theyre the braindead sibling of Battle Royales that liked risk reward autism more
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>>734170154
>American Mcgee
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>734170052
the whole
>artists are fabulous gay leftists
>conservatives are only working class manual labourers and stem
possibly the most schizophrenic form of propaganda the left has poisoned western soceity with.
Doesnt mesh with reality at all. Leftists are just GRIFTERS, they want the cushy lifestyle of a designer and feel safe in their own niche away from gay bashing working joes.
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>>734170175
All games are inherently pointless and for bragging rights and fun.
>>734170072
It was a stupid idea but I got a game I like. Hope it lasts over 1 year but if not, oh well. Sony are retarded for thinking it would be huge
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>>734169860
His post is what already happens in (to the limit of my knowledge) in fallout 76. Its not fun, its boring as shit and makes no sense regarding actual consistency of the world. What he described is the generic MMO/co-op list of activities. Its the "go to a place that has a very specific function and dont do anything that is related to its function but just shoot these guys that spawned there because you pushed some button button" type of activity.
>fucking autist
What, asking for consistency is being autistic now?
>added nothing
I beg to differ.
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>>734170238
he was a christian conservative retard
>>734170301
Mcgee is a Trump supporter and anti-wooe advocate
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>>734170301
I don't know if posters like these are dishonest or really just such smoothbrains, but conflating singular issues to represent some hard-divide of political dichotomy shouldn't get a pass in
>the current year
the whole red team blue team -mentality is mental illness of the highest degree, even if manufacturedly so
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>>734170401
thats the other lie they push.
>le all geniuses are progs
While being rabidly anti-ai technology. You are frauds and liars.
Just claiming artists and science as yours is a lie and rhetorical propaganda
Leftists are the most anti-science Luddite fucks on the planet
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>>734170443
>donate annually to LGBTQ+
>anti-woke
nigga please
>>734170536
Well I don't have to conflate single issues, because I can find multiple issues. What type of MAGA person is this? The "choina has better ideas than Trump" kind?
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>>734153520
high ttk
that's literally it
that's literally all you have to do
make it halo ttk or something. please. im begging you.
the ttk is not fine
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>>734170443
anti-woke
>>734170356
you are intellectually disabled and a liar
>Politically, Dali supported the successful elimination of communism from Spain by Franco. Spiritually, Dali converted from atheism to Christianity after painting his "Vision of Hell."[3] Dali's father was a hardened atheist, while his mother was a devout Catholic.
>Dali supported the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco (even painting a portrait of Franco's granddaughter) and declared himself monarchist in his 1970 book Dali by Dali. He also denounced surrealist filmmaker Luis Buñuel as an atheist. However, his political views were more of an artistic pose than the product of sincere convictions.
But he often denied being a fascist. In his autobiography, he writes:
“ "They called [...] from me that I should finally decide to become a Stalinist or Hitlerist. No! [...] I would always stay up to death the one who I was, and only Dalí Dalí! I did not believe in the communist revolution even in the National Socialist revolution. " Salvador Dalí
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>>734153520
this game triggered my autism so i'm going to sperg out 1/2
1. game concept
>add singleplayer campaign and casual pvp / coop gamemodes like Halo
2. setting
>change time frame to be during the events of marathon 1 / 2 with all the wonderful things from those games
>corpo wars shit should be less pronounced and more focused on the MARATHON and the pfhor
3.art style - general
as other anons said, black/white and neon works better
>reduced the overly artsy and colorful design of the ui and game world to create a plain canvas
>to contrast this, make specific locations that go all in on the games unique art style
>This will give a good baseline to allow the cool designs like the UESC to stand out.
>corporate factions should have far more distinct appearances like borderlands
4.art style - characters
make all characters conventionally attractive and allow players to pick gender
lean into the sci-fi bodysuit operative asthetic more. Like why do some of these characters in skin tight suits have no ass?
make characters slighly more uniform in a military way
make the characters all human or human adjacent like marathon 1
just make them attractive for god's sake
by character:
Destroyer:
>renamed to battleroid
>is literally just the guy from Marathon 1 - inifity
>make him white dude with buzz cut by default
>make the armor more halo-like as he is the predecessor of master chief
Recon:
>white girl blonde short hair blue eyes
>skin tight suit actually shows off body
>design fine otherwise
thief:
fine really
triage:
>WE WUZ ROBOTS AND SHIET
>make him look more like destroyer or recon with red cross style medical logos
>default appearance should be white or asian person with short - mid black hair
assassin
>give helmet that hides face with hood over top
vandal:
>make character more in line with 80's - 90's punk aesthetic rather than trannycore
>think hot chick with leather jacket
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>>734170629
no one cares about your "fascism" you groyper cuck degenerate. stfu and stop making noise.
>>734170707
>anti communist
>catholic
>monarchist
>and anti hitler and fascism
>not conservative
You horse shoes needs to be lynched
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2/2
Gameplay:
remove pinging enemies
1. weapon selection
>bring back all guns from marathon games as they are better than the ones currently present
>make all guns over the top action movie style guns. Think loud, high firerate, and lots of destruction.
>some low tier or stealth oriented weapons as well. I should be excited to find a high tier weapon that is literally a minigun
2. balance
make healing items more common but take longer to use - out of combat focus
>lower ttk slightly
>make shields behave like they are in halo, strong against bullets but weak to energy
>make downed characters have more health or time to live
by character:
Destroyer:
>keep jetpack jump
>change shield to be permanent, slightly transparent, allow use of 1-handed weapons, and first person
>change rocket ability as follows: Destoryer spawns with 3-6 dumb fire fast moving wrist rockets that deal 50-75% base max health damage based on direct hit or not. Small but deadly splash damage area.
>rockets can be destroyed or shot out of the air
Recon:
>change drone to be quad copter FPV drone with bomb. Can ping enemies from drone. Bomb does 66% base health damage with high fall off on splash damage. Long recharge time or limited to 2 drones per run.
>drone can be shot and destroyed
>change ult to be halo motion tracker
Triage:
change this guy to be support rather than medic.
>Q ability: uses med kits in inventory to shoot dart at teammates to heal them or revive downed players
>F ability: sends drone to shield self or teamamte. Permanent till shield is broken. Shield is equivalent to green / blue shield and stacks with equipped shields.
>drone is vulnerable to energy damage, heat, and emp grenades.
Assasin:
>Q ability: short ranged high drop neurotoxin dart that downs players in 10-15 seconds if they do not use antidote
>can be shot out of the air
>F ability: Halo active camo. Lasts a long time and drains much slower while standing still
Vandal:
>abilites are fine
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>>734170737
>maga?
migga what?
I was just pointing out the obvious fact that going full direction-brain is a lobotomy for any societal discussion above kindergarden level
In case you are not following:
a chinese "conservative" and an american "conservative" will have very different ideas on a lot of issues, painting them both broadly with the label of "conservative" and calling it a day would be absolutely retarded
I would think stuff like this should be obvious
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>>734170831
You are so far up your ass hoping to find a "conservative artist" that you're claiming Salvador fucking Dali as equivalent to modern day conservatism. Shut the fuck up and go back to crying about Charlie Kirk, you gay faggot.
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>>734170737
are you going to pretend that a large number of MAGA supporters are not gays?
Fucking Peter Theil? remember milo
Despite what people say Trump isnt a fascist and he has no problem with gays.
Every one hates woke
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If you ask the average cuckservative untermensch if pic related is good art they'll call it satanic and immediately go back to looking at Facebook AI slop like the subhuman they are.
If you ask the average progressive they'll immediately recognize it as Dali.
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>>734170779
but still not progressive (enough) by modern standards, you can't claim just a finger from an ancient chud and call it "progressive", they we're 99,999...% conservatives by modern standards,
hell, a lot of them would be RADICALLY "conservative" (or "right wing") in today's landscape
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>>734171030
I didn't assign any position to American McGee besides pointing out that he isn't a Trump supporting conservative you faggot. Somebody labeled him as an anti-woke MAGA, but McGee admits
>he doesn't identify as sexually straight
>works with other weirdos and outcasts
>critisizes the foreign policies of King Migger multiple times
McGee is not a MAGA conservative.
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>>734171132
faggot you lost kys. Fucking troon subhuman
>>734171259
He is a Trump Supporter he literally posted on his twitter wearing a MAGA hat and vocally supporting Trump and MAGA while also denouncing the woke prog movement.
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>>734169327
i'm not seething over nothing. all my suggested objectives focus entirely on fighting enemies or fighting enemies while juggling a secondary objective. not one of my suggestions requires you to press x on a glowing object several times over and over again.
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>the only way to keep a Marathon thread going is to talk about politics
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>>734153520
Its so painfully obvious that this shitheap will never change solely because they devs who posted this question will never reconcile their daddy issues. Congratulations on making Concord 2. Don't let the door hit you on the way out to the 41%.
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>>734171319
Trump is a progressive
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>>734171265
>almost all the great men and women if history have views that majorly align with present day conservatives
You're living in the winners' world, most new and "progressive" ideas never stand the test of time.
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>>734171380
https://nitter.net/americanmcgee/status/942185417759113216#m
Hes literally defending himself from accusations of being a "MAGA communist" cause hes simultaneously pro Trump and Pro china.
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>>734171543
Only the fittest survive. Every winning idea won against some crusty old idea that overstayed its welcome. Every great man and woman of history is a revolutionary putting forward these ideas against the cuckservatives of their time
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>>734171553
>2017
I'm posting his opinions from 2026. Also I'm going to remind you of his words that I posted:
>There is a reason why the Chinese refer to Trump as the Development King. He continues to accelerate the world toward unity against nonsense.
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>>734171057
>Need to step out of cover to even see down the hall
>Some guy in the fog you can barely see starts ripping into you full auto and hitting you like it's a laser beam
>1 second later you are completely crippled and would have died if not for max level shields
Broken.
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>>734171380
even musk had falling outs with Trump
Trump will be just
>Mcgee i asked Musk to buy the Alice ip from EA for you
then Mcgee will be 100% on the maga wagon again.
Funnily enough he made a tweet saying just that.
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>>734171658
there's a difference in making slight adjustments to match the changing world and keeping (conserving) 99% of things that work the same, because they already work
and claiming all that came before is shit and all your new stuff you just came up with is "The Truth" of progressivism
Conservatives can change the bathwater
Unhinged progressives will throw the baby away with it.
And yes there are unhinged conservatives too who will keep the baby in the water when it starts boiling.
And there are less unhinged progressives who understand they need to be conservatives to a degree.
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people dont know what a conservative is. Its actually an economics thing, conservatives are more prudent aka conservative with societies finances.
Leftists are radical lunatics, that just want change for the sake of it and recklessly spend because they have the economic understanding of a retard.
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>>734171952
Elon is an insecure faggot who only cares about making himself richer. He simped for Trump to get regulators off his back, but he burned bridges with the main consumers of EVs, the liberals, so he's taking what he can get by quietly bribing GOP pedophile protectors with campaign donations.
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>>734171983
>slight adjustments
lol
History is the history of massive progressive change. Even christcuckery represented a (perhaps the greatest) religious paradigm shift relative to the pagan world.
Only the fittest survive, not the oldest. If the old isn't fit anymore, it gets tossed.
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>progressivism is when dildo on head and man in skirt
You troons dont even know what progressive means. The word in its correct usuage has ZERO to do with your politics, this is like the hijacking of the word gay.
Conservatives were always the progressives, they implemented the first welfare system and other societal changes for the modern world like the enlightenment.
You trannies are fucking stupid
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>>734172142
you're looking at progressivism and conservatism as if they are some humanity-defining ideologies uncompatible with each other
many do
they should be viewed as tools
conservatism is the brake you hit so you don't drive off the road
progressivism is the gas pedal you hit to get further ahead and not get left behind
you should be able to use both and steer things as a civilization
the difference is that a society will usually thrive better on the long term when it gives more predence to braking and doesn't go too crazy on the gas pedal and drive to a ditch
worst conservatives drive stagnation
worst progressives drive cultural suicide
99% of conservative ideas get passed on from generation to generation
99% of progressive ideas drive into a ditch
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I've never seen the benefit of having individual developers opine about their game on social media. Isn't that the point of a PR/Communication director/person/team?
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>>734172440
progressivism has nothing to do with leftists politics. They appropriated the word.
A progressive society used to mean one that was improving for all the people in it.
Not catering to less than 1% of the mentally ill trannies
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>>734165050
trailer made by actually good artists that put time and a shit ton of effort into making her the protag of the video, the model obviously isnt game ready, probably about 300k polys rendered with something like arnold which would obviously look better than any real time renderer
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>>734172575
I strive to use the term with its actual meaning
>>734172562
you should really let go of the blue team red team -mindset, it's gonna fuck your head up
your argument taken to its hyperbolic extreme is
>I don't need brakes where I'm going
which while fun, is obviously suicidal
You need both. And you actually need a hell of a lot more of the upkeeping and conserving of working old things than you do of the exciting new stuff.
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>>734165050
This character is one of the main indicators of the issues with the visual direction imo
Game would feel a lot more cohesive if we got variations of futuristic tacticool shit like
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rather than the punk emo scene slag that looks like she should have gotten a real job ten years ago
>androids and cyborgs can look however they want!
It's just silly seeing concept fashion in corporate warfare
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>>734172921
it sure seems a lot like you need the "win" of defining things in a way that you can express
>lead by Progress, Team Progress
I don't think it's conductive to, well, progress, to frame things that way but whatever, not really a hill worth for me to die on.
People in general should become more objective of ideas and ideologies, viewing them more as tools and not as something to base your identity on.
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129,160,928 - UESC enemies killed
9,152,844 - Enemy runners killed
16,554,683 - Total deaths
997,950 - Rooks deployed
549,445 - Rook deaths
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1.3% - No exfil matches
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35.6% - Dire Marsh exfil rate
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Assassin - Most popular runner shell
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145,822 - Premium tick milk extracted
384,866 - Drinkable cheeseburgers extracted
https://youtu.be/VzbFZCVbheM?si=ZjoXIrrMvKz1PwBn
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>>734173098
I don't need a "win", it's just how things are.
Progress makes a change, Conservation keeps it around until it's no longer fit for purpose, at which point Progress sweeps it away (Conservation seethes a little bit but he doesn't know what's good for him).
It's called Survival of the Fittest and it's how the universe functions.
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but you should be mindful of the fact that most of the "progressive" changes lead to losing and only the winning solutions get conserved, making it by definition the winning side
when 9/10+1 changes lose and 1/10+1 wins, only the 1/10+1 gets conserved, the 9/10+1 of progressives get swept to the trash bin of history
the +1 is for the people who do nothing and win
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>>734173415
progressives hate evolution and social darwinism is a retarded belief of clinical sociopaths and not actual scientific or darwinian.
You just prove every post you are a horseshoe degenerate
You arent even using these terms properly progressivism has nothing to do with social darwinism
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i dont think its gonna concord for the mere fact that the catalog was actually usable during the sever slam instead of a bunch of OH NO NO NO BROS I THOUGHT WERE WERE GONNA SLAM THE SEVER steamchart numberfag posts
and of the 1-2 threads up at any given time, half of the posts were genuinely discussing the game
the artstyle didnt even become a /v/-wide meme. divisive sure, but a lot of anons saw the vision
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>>734173432
If the change lost it wasn't progress. What matters is that it's Progress that produces change and potentially winning solutions, and then Conservation keeps it around. Survival of the fittest, not oldest.
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nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734173715
Your analogy of evolution and survival of the fittest doesn't really apply when rather than it being varied individuals that might or might not work "progressives" in politics try to change all of society into a form that doesn't actually function.
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I don't really like the word "fix" here, because it suggests that it's something that's promising but is undercut by a few things that would otherwise make it good. This is extraction slop, and "fixing" it would mean turning it into something novel instead of a cash grab for the current FPS trend.
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What does it have to do with accelerated evolution? That's sounds like someone talking about durandal/infinity if they only played select levels while half asleep
Durandal learns what it needs to do to protect itself from entropy from reading archives about the thing iirc
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>>734169287
>sumimasen bungie we just bought you for 3.6 billion dollars, whatcha workin on
>a poorly made take on an extremely niche genre with a polarizing artstyle. it will have 4 maps, 1 gamemode at launch and will cost $40. players of this genre usually have a home game that they are almost religiously attached too but im sure we can pry enough away that it will be nothing short of lightning in a bottle
>arigato. Consider updating your resume bungie-san
im sure blast havers will be enough to keep this going for a decade until it gets unceremoniously carved out like Destiny 2
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nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734170324
>All games are inherently pointless and for bragging rights and fun.
Only if the gameplay is fun
Opening loot crates is an insane recreational activity
They should remove all loose loot crates and instead dynamically spawn loot together with enemy encounters while pinging everyone so you herd players into each other
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>people who think evolution is a progressive ladder
>people who think evolution is about people deciding evolution
>people that think evolution is a faith substitute
Quite literally never studied it and should be painfully euthanised.
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>>734174525
If you are going for the evolution argument then it requires two things:
1 - it must be contained to itself or else there is no diversity
2 - if it's bad if must be allowed to fail rather than propped up merely because it's different.
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>>734168912
You're a manchild faggot. The aesthetic is the only appealing thing about this game, and is what is currently attracting most of its attention, since its gameplay certainly fucking isn't.
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>>734174729
gameplay is actually quite good just wrong genre and not tuned correctly
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>appealing
>attracting most of its attention
these are not the same thing
a neon colored turd in the middle of the street might grab my attention for a second when I walk past, but it sure as hell ain't appealing
not for anyone not on the subcontinent at least
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>Bungie dies by Summer 2026
Finally
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>>734174848
LOL faggot evolution is not an applied thing its something humans have no control over natural selection is in the most simplistic terms random chance of death.
Being selected means you "died" and it can be something like a brick falling on your head
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>>734174998
nobody cares you retarded bot
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>>734173000
they keep pushing personalities on to the characters because players can't relate to them otherwise or some shit like that
I also think the character designs clash with the world, would much rather have generic soldier #6561 than these reddit chungus stereotypes
also the whole artstyle needs to be more like the trailers, which some anon pointed out pretty well
>It's more like, the game's fog is shit, the water isn't quite the same eye-catching milky white and instead some grey murk, the blue blood is excessively tasteless without the contrast, the plants and colors in general are much less vivid. It's like they put a greyscale on the game that was just not present in any of the art, trailers, or early design. I don't know why, the color saturation at least makes the plastic aesthetic more cohesive and the terrible lighting really clashes with the cloth physics and weird religious futurism design they have going on with flowing banners.
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>bigger maps so you can explore more
>maps have extremely esoteric puzzles to solve locking out areas that can be opened by the community- more emphasis on resolving mysteries in general
>more kinds of public events, like one that opens up a gate that leads to an instanced PVE mission
>AI is way more oppressive, less "they might kill you if you're slow to react or meander in with bad gear" more shit that fucking wastes you almost immediately with little room for counterplay if you're unprepared, should feel like a rat
anyone who says "make it like other games that have been made thousands of times that i like more" is DUM and BORING
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>>734169292
No, the Arachne faction will be the most popular because you complete its goals by default. There’s no reason to spare or ignore enemy teams unless you’re actively running away from a superior team. The game is built around shooting other Runners.
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>>734175062
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
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>>734174973
>these are not the same thing
And yet I explicitly used them in the manner to deliberately tell you that they are, you turd worldie faggot.
If you actually think the gameplay looked good you might as well go play whatever dogshit Fortnite clone is popular with gen alpha right about now.
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>>734175062
Faggot you are dunning kruger. Breeding animals is not evolution or natural selection by definition its unnatural.
Stop getting your views from the nazis you low iq mentally ill dumb shit
Eugenics =/= evolution.
People like you need to be fucking euthanised you are dangerously low iq
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>>734153520
>but just as an exercise, how could it be saved?
throw the extraction shooter concept away because the people on staff are too fucking stupid to make it fun or compelling, offer a faster version of counter-strike's hostage mode to buy time to think of something better. you can make it f2p and sell a battle pass or two if you want.
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>>734175168
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are a disgusting retarded turd
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>>734153520
>persistent servers, if undesirable then make rook a respawn button
>grant two thirds of the upgrades as just default play components and move the core installs to upgrades in a sub-section that you can switch between matches
>make every single menu accessible with one key press regardless of what menu you're in
>make a contracts screen on the main menu that lists every contract and who it is for
>remove rail gun and jolt pistol
>add more travel time projectile weapons
>make snipers and shottys appear more often and have more variety
>make weapon mods that change a weapon's base behaviour
>rename heat to auxiliary power and make it so sliding doesn't cost any
>either make sprinting uninteruptable or replace slides with short dash that can only be performed on the ground
>triple the TTK and rebalance the weapon damages around it
>make the game free with optional paid maps that can have opponents but can be fun enough without any, this way you can skip queue times and players arguably get what they pay for
>unironically add tdm
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>>734168315
The most fun I had with this shit game was cleaning Quarantine from UESC bots with just stealth + knife
Spooky as fuck. If the game was just that part I would've preordered immediately, but as soon as I left the area I was reminded that these moments of an actual video game are intrinsically linked to hours of a shitty genre for zoomers
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>>734175256
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
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>>734175006
Nah, Marathon won't be that big of a disaster. They'll end up doing a couple round of layoffs and try to regroup. Stem the bleeding which may work for a while. I mean, look at Ubisoft. How the hell is that still going? I'd say the earliest they would shut down is 2030.
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>>734175318
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
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>>734175339
>They'll end up doing a couple round of layoffs and try to regroup. Stem the bleeding which may work for a while. I mean, look at Ubisoft.
Ubisoft isn't owned by a Megacorp, they are the megacorp. Bungie has obviously been pissing off Sony, look at any of their earnings calls.
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>>734175429
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
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>also the whole artstyle needs to be more like the trailers
The whole game should be more like the trailers. This shit is cool as fuck. I'd play this video game. I'd watch this movie/TV show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbEnWLRo1s
Reminds me of Final Fantasy. They would put out these crazy cinematics that were the bomb, then follow up with a turd of a video game. Where does all this effort for trailers come from but then the video game, the thing most of your company is built to make, turns out shit.
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>>734153614
>and turn it into a new Destiny but less neglected
Half the appeal of destiny is the fashion why the fuck would anyone who wants a dress up simulator to go with their looter shooter play a game as ugly as marathon
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>>734175429
Oh but it is. For example lets say you are doing it with bacteria in a petri dish. If you add an antibiotic to the agar then it will kill most of the bacteria. You then take the survivors and plate them out again, do the same thing with more antibiotic. This will produce a strain of bacteria with antibiotic resistance.
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>can go prone under a truck
>destroyer deploys a shield instantly
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>>734175520
>advocating making drug resistant bacteria
Humans are more complex than bacteria with a longer and thus slower evolutionary cycle. People cant possible foresee the consequences of applying eugenics to humans. Hypothetically you breed an entire generation with a congenital disease or gene that makes them susceptible to a virus and they all die due to natural selection.
You are unfathomably dumb and cant comprehend this. Natural selection works because its a long process of finding out what works over thousands of years.
None of what you are saying is evolution or natural selections.
We breed animals and plants to use as food and they are all weaker less rugged and have congenital diseases and birth defects and die in the wild until they become feral due to natural selection
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>>734153520
equipped gear you brought in with you cannot be lost or looted is the immediate fix that would cause 90% of their "it's just not for me" people to buy the game
long term you need to add full procgen labrynth style maps (jesus fucking christ, the art style they went for screams proc gen). more and harder enemies now that people aren't losing their shit except on wipe day, and some sort of story content that happens IN THE GAME rather than in a VN logbook
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>>734175754
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734175754
You're just going off on one now. I merely gave you an example how how manipulating the environment can be used to drive evolution in the way you want it to go at a level above literally breeding animals. Evolution applied.
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>>734175754
>Natural selection works because its a long process of finding out what works over thousands of years.
It didn't work for the dinosaurs. Although, you could say it worked overall since mankind has the potential to prevent a disaster that killed off the dinosaurs. On the other hand, the dinsosaurs existed for hundreds of millions of years and humanity has only existed for a few million at best and only 200,000 years in the most exact terms.
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>>734175948
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734175816
faggot i studied this in university. you have zero idea what you are talking about.
You are a braindead nazi wannabe. No person should have control over peoples reproduction. This is just you being an edgy faggot motivated by bitterness and malicious politics
Its impossible for humans to play the role of god and thats what you advocate.
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>>734176037
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176104
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176026
If humans are natural, then what humans do is also natural, and by extension, human eugenics is also natural. Unless you want to admit that anthills, bird nests, beaver dams, destruction of plantlife (grazing) and killing for food are unnatural events.
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>>734176157
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176037
interfering in the process is basically eugenics and its not possible for humans to foresee the consequences so its very dangerous.
Like a eugenicist being dumb would create say a perfect looking group of super model people (or at least try) or maybe geniuses too.
But by accident creates an entire cohort with mental illness and immune disorders and they just die
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>from the makers of halo and destiny
except halo is like a 25 year old franchise and the games industry replaces staff or opens/shuts game studios sometimes within a single console generation
there is fucking nothing about bungie that resembles the original halo development team
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>>734175024
its to fit in with the hero shooter shit. they have to differentiate the classes in silhouettes so you dont think the guy you're shooting is actually the guy you shouldn't focus on shoot
but again they just didn't really flesh shit out. some reason the combat medic is a black bald guy with like, nothing on him
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>>734176142
because retards like you genuinely anger me
>>734176157
evolution is not intelligent its not intelligent design. attempting to "intelligently" influence it is dumb
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>>734176180
>interfering in the process is basically eugenics
Humans do that and have done that since the beginning of human existence.
People choose who to mate with. They did it hundreds of thousands of years ago and they do it today. You, me, anyone will not randomly choose anyone to fuck and start a family with. They choose based on the quality of their potential mate. Though that selection process, an individual determines what qualities they do or do not want to be passed on to their potential offspring. It's called Assortive Mating.
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>>734176353
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176353
because what are you advocating is eugenics idiot.
>>734176342
Sexual selection, kts different to a third party deciding. And like i said sexual selection is overridden by natural selection. Eg the Peacock
You are dumb possibly brown and didnt even pass highschool
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all "selective"
>>734176453
Eugenics IS NOT evolution or natural selection retard. Full stop
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An OSRS style death mechanic would be kino
>normal areas and missions you keep your three most powerful items. Makes it so you don't get completely cucked if you die
>regular missions offer incremental but steady upgrades with a rare chance to get a significant upgrade
>introduce outer areas that have higher level npcs and less cover but it comes with very significant upgrades with the caveat that you will lose everything if you die
Having a high risk high reward area helps keep people that want that masochistic loop out of the noob stomping areas where people who want to play more casually are 3 iteming and having a reason to want to use their high level shit instead of running with trash constantly.
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>>734176517
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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retards don't understand what these terms mean
>natural selection
Being selected means you werent selected by god or a person. It means you were killed.
>survival of the fittest
isnt referring to how fit and strong you are. Its you passing on your genes.
Theres a third concept called fecundity that makes this redundant anyway but thats more advanced and you wont get it
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>>734176682
Eugenics is evolution and natural selection. I have a biologist degree, unlike you.
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>>734176646
>It means you were killed.
weren't killed*
>isnt referring to how fit and strong you are. Its you passing on your genes.
It does mean the best adapted to the environment survive to breed while those that can't handle it don't.
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>>734176267
>evolution is not intelligent its not intelligent design. attempting to "intelligently" influence it is dumb
Evolution is intelligence. The process of evolution advantages the intelligence. The lifeform that has the best chance of succeeding is often the one with the biggest brains. Also, I have no idea why you're talking about Evolution, intelligence and intelligent design based off of my comment. It has nothing to do with any of those.
>If humans are natural, then what humans do is also natural, and by extension, human eugenics is also natural. Unless you want to admit that anthills, bird nests, beaver dams, destruction of plantlife (grazing) and killing for food are unnatural events.
>attempting to "intelligently" influence it is dumb
Like getting kids into school early in their life? Like feeding children better food that will enhance their mind? Like going to see the doctor often to check up your health? Like wearing glasses to correct the "natural" decay of your eyesight? Like spreading the idea of human rights and democracy to the masses so they enjoy a better quality of life?
Why is the genetic world off limits when humans do so many things to intelligently influence the outcomes of their lives? Shit, people already fuck around with genetics. Do you think people don't know things like height or baldness or skin color are not genetically tied? If they want certain types of babies, you can already play the genetics game without any medical intervention.
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>>734176757
nobody cares you retarded autistic turd
you are a low IQ retard
you are obviously trying to keep the thread alive you retarded shill bot
you are obviously talking to yourself you retarded shill bot
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>>734176438
>Sexual selection, kts different to a third party deciding.
So, if an individual wanted to decide on their partner based on the genetic make up of a potential mate, you'd be okay with that as long as the decision was a mutual agreement?
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>>734176785
the fact you continually try to say eugenics is natural selection and keep trying to apply it to politics outs you as a dunning kruger poltard with zero clue on what hes discussing
>>734176757
T. total retard. Nothing about evolution is intelligent or favours intelligence. The most numerous creatures on our world are retarded.
Evolution could easily mean creatures like blind mole rats succeed
Evolution is NOT a ladder. this is the first thing in the text book imbecile. Its tree, its not a progression to a more advanced life form.
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>breed dogs to have numerous deformities that put them in a lifetime of pain and suffering
>this is perfectly fine
>breed humans to improve the quality of life for both individuals and society
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT ITS A VIOLATION OF OUR AUTONOMY
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>>734175487
>retard dies
>killer girl takes 3 hours to loot because UI sucks
>another retard chases her
>she dies to bots because TTK is super short
>retard loots her and is too busy smelling bungie farts and gets sniped by another guy across the map that found a heat scope
i dunno the trailer seems pretty faithful to the real game
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>>734176981
The only one bringing up eugenics is you retard. You had a sperg attack about me talking about applying evolution which you didn't even know was po9sible and then incorrectly assumed this was eugenics showing that you haven't a clue about any of this.
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>>734176982
but what would exactly stop people from accidentally making ill humans with deformities and congenital diseases if they cant even get it right with dogs.
You fucking retard.
>>734177037
no, retard you are literally advocating eugenics and trying to pass it off as darwinian you sociopathic schizophrenic liar
Never reproduce we DO NOT need more of your fucking stupid kind on this earth
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Single-player Campaign like Stalker.
Diablo like corpse run where dying makes you drop your gear and you get one chance to recover it.
Gear is not as hard to get as a result.
This easiest people in to the multiplayer aspect.
Because if people are fine whit losing gear in SP tey wont mind it as much in MP.
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>>734176982
Choosing your spouse is itself selective breeding. I think the underlying fear with actively pursuing a eugenics approach to society is that we eventually find undesirable traits necessitating eradication, at which point the argument comes forth: do we stop allowing certain people with certain characteristics to have children? If an anomaly off the approved path appears, do we terminate it? Even if against the pleadings of the parents? This is obvious cruelty, and eugenics eventually would need to rationalize it. The implications are what people oppose, and history has shown we are not averse to indiscriminate destruction of perceived undesirables. Let the people fuck, and let the humans emerge that may.
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>>734176981
>T. total retard. Nothing about evolution is intelligent or favours intelligence. The most numerous creatures on our world are retarded.
>Evolution could easily mean creatures like blind mole rats succeed
>Evolution is NOT a ladder. this is the first thing in the text book imbecile. Its tree, its not a progression to a more advanced life form.
No, I'm pretty sure Evolution advantages intelligence. Because humans aren't going to evolve into single-cell organisms. Dinosaurs weren't going to evolve into bacteria. Even a tree only grows in two directions and both are for food. The number of a species doesn't make it more "evolved", but the intelligence does.
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>>734177207
Shut up about eugenics, retard!
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>>734177189
it doesnt, theres quite literally no reason why humans wont evolve to be dumber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
Most animals are not self aware or near human intelligence.
You are stupid and think evolution is like dbz
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>>734177124
>but what would exactly stop people from accidentally making ill humans with deformities and congenital diseases if they cant even get it right with dogs.
We did get it right with dogs, dumbass. They're deformed by design, because dog breeders wanted smaller dogs that are more convenient for pet owners, with no regard for the actual dogs well being.
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>>734177207
>Just because you own the dogs doesn't mean you are actively breeding them
It means you actively support making more of them. If you cared about these dogs the only reason youd buy them is to have them euthanized.
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>>734176982
this is sort of the folly of censorship, when you freeze an idea in time like this without being able to rigorously test the idea with the scientific method all the arguments for and against it are obsolete and old. This would be like if medicine was cancelled in the 1800's because a few too many people died from bloodletting, all thats happened is now generations later people would still be operating with the same baked-in issues and cannot move forward.
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>>734177326
you are objectively wrong it doesn't favour anything.
Its not a ladder.
You are dumb
>>734177275
put a poodle or bull dog in the wild and see how well it does
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>>734177264
Humans wouldn't evolve to be dumber because the dumber wouldn't be more likely to succeed and using a comedy film instead of hard data is very silly.
Here's a better example: The most advanced, developed, and high IQ nations of the world are not reproducing themselves at replacement levels. Instead, they are being overwhelmed by immigration from dumber, third-world populations. In this example, the dumb are more numerous and more willing to breed.
However, there's a counter-argument to that. The advance, developed, and high IQ world could just one day decide to bomb the shit outta the third-world populations and kill them all.
Which is why I would say the high IQ nations are more likely to survive. But maybe not. Suicide is a thing and it can happen on a national level.
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>>734177434
lots of geniuses die forever alone and stupid people have tons of kids.
Our society isnt full of geniuses. If intelligence jsnt advantageous it will not increase and even go backwards.
You are retarded.
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>>734177515
But the overall intelligence of the human race has gone up. We're all smarter than than ever before. The percentages of dumber to smarter may be the same, but overall, we're all getting smarter. Which has only enhanced humanity's grasp on the natural world, our planet, and the universe.
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im so glad ai gods will eventually be created and eliminate most biological human life, i cant stand the stupidity anymore
Literally who cares about nazi eugenics when we can have god intelligence super ai and artificial bodies.
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>>734177554
evolution doesnt care if you are smart or dumb idiot. Its completely unfeeling, unintelligent process, that only favours the lucky few who pass on their genes
>>734177597
not necessarily our recent ancestors were smarter and had faster reflexes.
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>>734177569
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I don't even own a dog.
You attacked me while doing absolutely nothing about the problem you're claiming you care about.
And you know what, I'll just buy a dog and cut it to pieces because you made me angry (just like people do in china).
Happy now? Fucking retards.
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>>734177720
>not necessarily our recent ancestors were smarter and had faster reflexes.
Which ancestors are you talking about? The WW2 ones? The Taiping Rebellion ones? The Napoleonic War ones? The Black Plague ones? the Age of Exploration ones? The Mongolian Empire ones? The Islamic Caliphate ones?
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>>734177793
recent retard, like our ww1/2 and cowboy ancestors.
Please you are simply a poltard with zero grasp of any topic or reality
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technically it hasnt
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>boo hoo my little shit dog has spine problems
I don't give a fuck what your family thinks
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>>734175487
I dont understand, why this trailer looks so fucking good and the game looks like ass if its the same artstyle. What is happening that makes it work so well in the trailer while failing miserably on the actual game?
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>>734178136
This game isn't PVP?
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>>734178029
realistic lighting has a significant impact on visuals, especially one stylized to such a degree. In this particular case the bright solid colors and gloss of all of the surfaces reflect, bounce, and mix to create a very engaging scene at different light levels. You could probably come pretty close by enforcing an equivalent to 2077's RT overdrive mode but of course you can't take performance hits like that in a MP console shooter
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you don't understand the smear filter is an artistic choice
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