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Stop Killing Games currently streaming on Twitch
And Stop Killing Games had public hearing in the European Parliament
https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/webstreaming/committee-on-int ernal-market-and-consumer-protectio n-ordinary-meeting-committee-on-leg al-affairs-com_20260416-1100-COMMIT TEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSla5vfGi3A
thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssFOFrXqNs
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https://www.twitch.tv/stopkillinggames_official
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>refunds on all storefronts
>usb-c on everything
>reject all tracking cookies
>everyone must be gdpr compliant
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Rate Ross's look out of ten
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>>737054995
>MPs seem in favour of legislation
>one qt autist kept saying shit "the cake is a lie xD" and "took an arrow to the knee xD" in her parliament speech
>one autist mentioned Mount & Blade: Warband
>two boomers said "I don't play vidya, but my kids do so it's important"
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>>737055107
He does has that vibe
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>>737055234
>Well I'll be damned. Do the members of parliament even know what a video game is?
Yes.
Thankfully the EU isn't the US and the parliament isn't made of senile geriatrics, but people who either do play them, or have kids who play them and can understand why losing access to something you paid for is a bad idea.
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>>737055057
He looks like he's about to change history.
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>>737055234
The EU parliament has like 800 people in it from a variety of parties from a variety of countries instead of 2 parties filled with mostly old people. As a result, the average age of people being becoming elected/brought to represent the party is probably younger too.
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POST YFW VIDEO GAMES ARE BEING SAVED
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>>737055234
Even if they didnt know what videogames are, the idea of a corporation holding a remote kill switch that can disable a product you paid for and own is deeply unsettling.
This petition brought that concern to light.
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The only reason why the EU is “pro-consumer” about this kind of stuff is because they’re eternally butthurt about foreign companies outselling them. When they make someone like Apple open up consumer repair rights, it’s because they’re seething that no European phone brand can compete and they have to stick it to the Americans. They would be much less pro-consumer if they actually still made shit for the global market.
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>>737055572
Invested in some manner, same as that son of the wow guy being really against it while he's publishing an always online skinner box game. Also, Ross is universally loved here so they do it just to spite you.
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>>737055450
hell yea
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>>737055621
That's because you don't have an optimized shaped face.
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>>737055505
EU parliment is bassicaly a Dumping ground for Weirdo Politicians and "I want the politicians sallary but In Euro(aka 4x as many)" Most EU members are mostly In it for the money.
Also Fuck ursula von der leyen she is the wors woman in europ afther Merkel
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>>737055570
Unironically in previous EU meetings about this there were bugs in EU ears screeching about how they *need* to swat down SKG with prejudice because uhhhhh video games turning off randomly is good actually
Some of them are present in the form of shills against the idea of legislation, I recall Ubisoft being the biggest voice for that and Ubisoft is also in the process of being found guilty for other illegal gaming practices, on top of illegally hollowing itself out into a shell company so Tencent can buy its IPs and save its management from their own actions
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>I just love video games and I see nothing wrong with having the servers source code, as a matter of facts I put my consumer rights above the wellbeing of corporations who earn more than enough to implement extra checks to prevent their games from being killed, it's perfectly reasonable and it would restore the trust of consumers in the industry
>TRANNY TRANNY COMMIE TRANNY COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE LEFTIST TRANNY COMMIE COMMIE
what cuases this?
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>>737055572
>gets shitter shattered and tries to win after giving up in a previous thread
Love to see it
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>>737055621
>xe wants to get married
e-celebs are failed normlafags
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>>737055785
>having the servers source code
You don't even need that. Source code should be the last resort. A bunch of compiled exe's to run servers with should be enough, people can figure out dependencies. And what causes it is being hired by Babel Media.
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I don't really care all that much because most of the stuff being preserved is the usual AAA shit that gets shut down after a month and it can't retroactively save games that are already gone.
But this fucks over ubisoft and I fucking hate ubisoft
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>>737054848
Gamers, rise up and save vidya.
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>>737055796
Yes I do remember, it was probably a combination of having Super Mario 99 lined up and the developer was asking for "donations" and then doing 4chan frogposter styled taunting with "Super Infringio Bros." and no altered SMB level data after, similar deal to AlvinEarthworm trying to make Super Mario Bros. Z a tagline for his Patreon and getting slapped for it
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>>737055590
How does a saying goes?
>While Others Innovate, Europe Regulates
Which is why it's ofthen un profitable to either start of maintain a buissnes here unless you Were already the Big Boy on the block and Have enough politicians in your graces to give you overpriced goverment contracts.
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>>737055167
He shed his mold, but where do you think it went?
You think he wouldn't use this opportunity to spread? The spores are unleashed and making their way through the EU buildings, and soon Brussels at large.
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>>737055861
Gacha "games" would also be preserved. Though I can't think of any that would be worth preserving.
>b-but
No.
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>>737055979
Good thing we ain't in WoW clones era no more. Man...that would be a nightmare for bassicaly everyone involved.
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>>737055898
Its also why no EU tech companies can compete with Microshit and Jewgle. Every year for the past 10 years, some EU politician tries to convert to Linux or promote some EU tech company only reject the measure or fail miserably in the process.
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>>737055979
>Gacha "games" would also be preserved.
No they wouldn't. Unlike regular games, the EU market represents a negligible share of the revenue, so gacha publishers can just region lock their shit away from Europe with no financial impact.
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Even Let it Die can do it. What's stopping others?
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Makes Online Games Offline Again
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>>737055997
>started any famines.
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>>737055057
looks like Lynch from K&L with that hairline
Just needs sunglasses and a wifebeater.
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>>737056149
>ass-blasted tankies drop the mask
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GOOD.
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>>737056161
>video game companies: noooooo wtf my game is not profitable i can't afford to keep maintaining the server code and infrastructure, you can't force us to do this!
>EU: we are not forcing you, you can just open it and let the players maintain the software and infrastructure?
>video game companies: nooooooo wtf how am i supposed to profit off of this????
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>>737054927
PINGAS
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>>737056327
it's one guy who lost an argument about gommunism in prev thread and is still lashing out at tankies to feel like he didn't lose
>debate economic theory
>some retard rolls in with fifty /pol/isms and moaning gommunism lost
>everybody agrees gommunism lost but what does that have to do with what we're talking about
>hurr tankies! agree with me harder or ur a gommy
every time
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Who wins by SKG passing:
>true gamers
Who loses by SKG passing:
>corporates because they have to be careful making money-printing, glorified gambling, socially degenerative live-service slop
>normalfags because all they play are ball games or a gun games full of mtx and that are online-multiplayer focused
>pedophiles because one of their best ways to approach children will be limited
Why don't you support SKG, anon?
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>LE COMPANIES CANT KEEP RUNNING THE SERVER FOREVER
Holy fucking shit, this is the EXACT same argument that has been posted in SKG threads since day one. Don't care if you're trolling or a shill, you are scum.
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>>737056490
They've been enabling that for 50+ years without mass immigration, American federal minimum wage is still $7.25/hr., was already inadequate in the 80s and 90s, and whether states have individually higher minimum wages isn't relevant
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How far-reaching will this be? In 20 years when the Switch 2 encrusted with filth, will Nintendo be required to keep the servers for Mario Kart World running?
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>>737055995
Neither of these are any more evil. I'd rather not replace them with anything. I'd rather Europe got out of fetishising the idea of being a gaggle of vassals and finally started looking out for its own interests.
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>>737056425
>abunch of (((people))) jerking each other off, making sure they get what they want from the guberment?
More or less. Well. More giving money for Political cmapains and social programs to silence the plebians until the next election. But I guess some jerking off is invlolved. Standard Policis since...Ancient Greece.
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>Online-only game gets a token single player minigame
>See we're SKG compliant
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>>737056712
>But I guess some jerking off is invlolved. Standard Policis since...Ancient Greece.
Fuck off retard, the Greeks were NOT gay. I bet you think Moby-Dick is about homosex too.
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>>737056676
lol
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>>737056161
Yes, anon. EU is totally going to be excluded. There is absolutely no way international capitalists will seek to adapt to continue mass welath extraction. Just like higher minimal wages stopped McDonald's from operating in Denmark.
You are a fucking moron. Genuinely underage.
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>>737056425
Something that should be very fucking illegal. The grift to end all grifts.
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>>737056678
>I'd rather Europe got out of fetishising the idea of being a gaggle of vassals and finally started looking out for its own interests
Yea good luck with that. The only reason that the EU euforia is happening is because both USA and Russia got themselfs into Quagmires.
And no Federelised EU would not work. Not because it would be USSR but gay. But because it would be Austro Hungary, but also gay.
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The mold man grows more powerful
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>>737056443
what is this? >>737056356
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>>737056805
I keep getting flashbanged by "leftypol" knowing full well that /leftypol/ hasn't existed in quite a while and the only reason 4chan /pol/tards know about it is because they came back from cripplechan and brought all their hang-ups back with them
/leftypol/ on cripplechan didn't do much but troll /pol/ but its legacy lives on, /pol/ could not mentally handle having a dedicated trolling board for themselves
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>haha politicians are just going to throw out your bing bing wahoo shit, lol, lmao
>literally all are in favor and suggest shit like an official Project Gutenberg for vidya or Steam license reselling on their own
Get fucked, based EU
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>>737056761
Why post a retarded example when mario kart is a standalone game first with optional online multiplayer?
This retarded commie proposal is to tackle live service games that require online connection to a server to work.
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>>737056558
Kek sorry I didn't read you glorifying mighty bharat in the end there. India is growing as a market and still nowhere near close to the EU. E-e-e-especially not on consumer goods lmao nice try brapdeep
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>>737055234
The petition garnered over 1million signatures one of the highest petitions on record for the EU and politically speaking it's incredibly low in controversy so it's seen as a win, win for a lot of politicians over there. Plus they also see it as a way to make money from corporations through non-compliance fines.
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>they thought they could pick a fight with mold
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>>737057008
Okay anon let's hear your alternative theory on what leftypol means and why it only started appearing on /pol/ and crossposted 4chan boards in the general time window of cripplechan banning /pol/ boards under Jim Watkins' ownership
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Stream done
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>>737056995
Condemn the holodomor
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If I make an MMO server that runs on an ASIC and I provide you the schematics, killing games says that should be illegal because I didn't make an emulator for the current year of windows desktop? I'll just ignore it and the EU and it will never pass in the US
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>man went to the moon again
>video games are being saved
WHAT TIMELINE IS THIS
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>>737057191
if you're making a MMO server then you have the source code and all you have to do is just post it like MANGOS.
https://github.com/mangos/MaNGOS
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Eurobros... WE WON!
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>>737057191
But what if the Earth fell out of orbit and began hurtling towards the sun and you had to choose one of the two bunkers: the one with SKG initiative advocates and the other with corporate lovers? Which would you pick and why?
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>>737057259
The schematic is the source. Killing games explicitly said in every thread since the beginning when I prompted this (and other similar questions) They said point blank, I have to make an emulator and then just laughed (no argument ever presented)
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>>737054959
>allowing
If you know anything about government, that's really not his choice to make. Piggybacking happens all the time, either to sneak in controversial shit, to shut down a proposition, or to make political opponents have a melty that can be easily targeted.
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my nigga
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>>737057239
Normalfags are turning against Israel and social media too.
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>>737057361
No they didn't, because I was there and I said either is fine. Your argument is just another retarded flavor of "KEEP DA SERVAS UP FOREVA!?" but with server upkeep being replaced with software upkeep.
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>>737057330
I'd aim for the biggest jew (you). Meanwhile if I cluster servers using non TCP/IP communication killing games says giving you the schematics and source to my proprietary setup isn't compliant, and I must build an emulator.
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I think I'll celebrate by playing some video games that are being kept alive by fans
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>>737057323
>Ida is here to
To what? TO WHAT?!
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>>737057496
Who's Piratesoftware?
>>737057528
The oldest gamer I know is about that age, yeah. Never shuts up about ZX-spectrum games.
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>>737057469
In most cases it's even easier then that and you can safely comment out authentication checks or patch the game into the debug build at the office.
When people are working on these games, they're frequently testing them in safe pseudo-online environments. Most internal builds aren't bogged down with "CHECKING FOR SERVER CONNECTIVITY" bullshit. Its what makes Thor's arguments so fucking retarded. Even if an MMO is taken offline, all anyone is asking for is a playable, not necessary beatable, not necessarily completable, game.
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>>737057469
No, that is not the killing games rules say
>>737057463
>I said either is fine
Under no authority and in direct contradiction to the language and website FAQ
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>>737054848
>if anyone wants to read the previous thread:
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Would Gaben support or go against SKG?
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>>737057585
PCs were very popular in Eastern Europe. Poland is known for their love for HoMM 3, Gothic, Baldur's Gate etc.
Although the new generation is playing console/phoneshit
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>>737057684
>Under no authority and in direct contradiction to the language and website FAQ
The site language outright says either is fine. Either leave a server hosting software, repair instructions or source code.
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Nice to see the Japanese being as retarded as usual.
https://x.com/vejitabeta2nd/status/2044766178745467224
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>>737057639
shut up bitch
a solar eclipse from space
people were there and saw this
and took this picture
with a fucking CAMERA
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>>737057709
Gee, I dunno anon
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>>737057709
They're mostly a publisher when this is more about development practices and standards being changed. I think the best thing they can do is reimburse you like 5% of the price you bought it when the game gets shut down.
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>>737057739
Another language, same retarded arguments.
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>>737057739
These are the same Japs who pearlclutched palworld being a 1:1 copy of Pokemon Legends Arceus, capping their "opinions" off with "granted, I never actually played the game, but if Nintendo says it I believe it"
If you replaced all the pals with dinosaurs, there wouldn't have been an initial suit to begin with
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>>737057794
Japanese are the biggest corporate bootlickers in existence because their defamation law enslaves the populace. Anyone saying anything negative about a corporation or a public figure can be sued, even if the negative thing being said is true. Which is why they do nothing but praise them.
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>>737057721
I know and I'm okay with it as long as it's just an option for people who don't have any friends to play Mario Kart or FIFA with. But online-multiplayer quickly becoming the main game mode of many games is what makes me seethe about it.
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>indie dev releases server files for his game
>over a hundred people can play on one server forever
>AAA dev releases online only 4 player coop shooter with mtx and season passes
>says offline mode is impossible since it streams textures to your computer using the power of the cloud
Indie devs must be using black magic. Real sick shit
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>>737057709
Probably against in private, going by the retardation surrounding paid mods and believing they could buy their way into a creator-driven programming space, but he knows full well it's social suicide to not be for it
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>>737057504
Communism is the abolition of private ownership of capital. If the private seller/owner of the intellectual property (a type of capital) loses their right to cancel licenses, their ownership of the property is undermined. Preventing private owners of capital from properly owning their capital is indeed communism.
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>>737057718
What is this, anon >>737057167
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>>737057903
There's even developers who have been making multiplayer focused games since like 90s, way before any live-service bullshit or even mainstream household internet popularity, who now all of a sudden claim it's literally impossible to make games run locally. Whenever I see some AAA developer bitch about SKG and how there will be no more AAA live-service games, to me it sounds more like a promise of a better future than a threat.
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>>737057941
>The FAQ says the "source code" must run on standard servers.
Does it? I remember Ross saying in a video that "if it's running on some exotic server architecture, just release the source code and let autists figure it out"
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>>737057889
One would think considering Dragon Quest X has 14 years of service AND an offline port of the first 4 expansions, that they'd see this as a net positive....alas their worldviews are entirely incoherent
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>>737057936
hey retard i don't know if you noticed but everything has gotten shittier over time and sending niggas to the moon is really complicated
and there hasn't been an incentive in 50 years after we stopped wanting to nuke everybody so why build rockets
it takes time to do this shit and have them niggas not fucking die
do you know how fucked space is
they returned to earth at MACH 33 SURROUNDED IN PLASMA
they had to fucking skip off the atmosphere like a rock to redirect the heat shield so it wouldn't fuck up like the last test
it's fucking insane
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>>737054848
Based Ross moving mountains because no one else dared to.
>>737055163
>one qt autist kept saying shit "the cake is a lie xD" and "took an arrow to the knee xD" in her parliament speech
Wife.
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>>737057903
This could be true for flight sim 2024
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>>737057709
>created his company to support pc gaming
>stayed loyal when competition and the industry favoured consoles over PC
>openly said people pirate because they seek good service and fair treatment
>made online games allowing player-hosted servers and custom content
>supported his games for decades to keep them running for everyone
>linux chad
Seems obvious
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>>737057941
A standard server could be anything from Windows Server 2008 to a Linux Server distro from 2016. You can run server software on regular Windows and regular Linux too. Basically it's just saying that it should avoid being made for architecture that nobody uses which already happens with basically any modern console or PC.
That's if it actually says "standard servers" which I'm not even sure it does, surely you can provide that text?
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>>737058038
Looks like they killed their own FAQ, its just coming soon now. Check wayback you will see it.
>>737058057
Precisely why you would have to make an emulator, considering an ASIC is neither
>>737058083
So who pays for it? Killing games says you must do it (before shutting down) or else your game is not compliant. Why would I spend the money on something I'm shutting down?
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>>737058141
>ALL THIS DATA!!
you can crunch that down to a low resolution version of all that OTHER PEOPLES DATA you're using, the same way my map app lets me download a complete map of the state for like a gigabyte
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>>737058196
>Why would I spend the money on something I'm shutting down?
Yeah, why would you make an always online game that will shut down in the end anyway? That's why you make the game with the offline functionality or server hosting baked in from the beginning.
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>>737058196
You're making this hard on yourself. You have the source code aka schematics. So post it. Whatever "custom" shit you have can be converted to a compatible CPU this is how porting works in the industry.
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>>737058046
If you sell things to people, and the things suddenly break because you made a bad decision when developing those things, and you're unable to fix the issue, then that's 100% on you. It's like gypsies selling stolen goods and then screaming racism when they get caught for their scam.
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>>737058141
A petabyte is just 1000TB. While that's a lot to cram in one computer, you could feasibly get a RAID/storage rack that can handle that. It'll just cost a fair bit. It's not like I can sue Rockstar for making GTAVII incapable of running on my old GTX970 or fit in my old HDD.
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Sex?
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>>737055163
>one autist mentioned Mount & Blade: Warband
What did he say when he mentioned warband?
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>>737058326
How about you stop being lazy niggers and adjust your attempt at changing laws to make sense. I gave you the schematic, now fuck your raabi in the face.
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Just giving them the schematics and everything you ever did is not compliant retard, they demand you do more work (make it run on standard servers) which is explicit in the FAQ that they removed
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The only argument I'm seeing for GAAS is that devs and publishers intentionally made things the most retarded and impractical way possible for the sole purpose of screwing over the consumer, which makes me hate them more...
>OH BLOOBLOO WE CANT DO THAT BECAUSE WE CODED THE SERVERS IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HYROGLIPHIC BASIC AND WE DESTROYED THE ROSETTA STONE ON PURPOSE TO PROTECT OUR IP, CANT YOU SEE THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
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>>737057739
>japanese wistful idiocy
>literal american cattle in his comments agreeing
I cannot wait for these people to lose even more.
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>>737058509
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>>737057846
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Games as a service is the future. The fact is that younger generations want the conveniences of having someone else control and maintain their games. Just look at the success of Steam. The desire to be able to locally host and control your own games will die with Gen-X. SKG is just a minor setback that will be forgotten within 10 years. It’s a futile attempt to delay the inevitable.
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>>737058726
My nigga Bazz gwone get justice
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>>737057739
>"they just want to hoard memories they can't turn into bragging rights"
Genuinely nonsensical sentence, wouldn't this mean they support SKG? Who the fuck wants to brag about experiencing something someone else can't?
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Mark my fucking words, in about a year or two from now when this shill campaign succeeds in the EU, you'll be begging and wondering why you fell for this grift to begin with. Things are going to become so much worse with the braindead niggers at the EU agreeing to this faggotry.
You thought the corpos were bad? Government intervention will be even worse.
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>>737058671
Gabe offers refunds to the US because the EU forced him to give refunds to the EU.
Not selling to the while of Europe is goofy and also sends a signal to the US that they too shouldn't be buying your game
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>>737057709
He was the one that pushed physical media away though. A Murican who is corporate at heart
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>>737058671
Or more realistically, developers have to make a separate version of a game where it's easier to package for an end-of-life. Which means it's going back to the PAL vs NTSC changes with different versions of games with the EU version most likely having features being removed.
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>>737056098
EU tech companies can barely compete with Microshit and Jewgle because America's tech companies were built off poor regulation, tax evasion and monopolization. Half the EU countries have weak tech sectors and the other half is probably more busy on the business side of things and background things (open-source projects, software aimed at companies rather than customers etc) so they're far less obvious. Now the US tech companies are actively shitting things up.
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>>737054848
I JUST CAME IN
SOMEBODY SUMMARIZE WHAT'S HAPPENED TILL NOW
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>>737058726
As much of a shitty game as it was, it is a pretty good example as to what SKG offers as a way out for companies. If they don't want to support the game anymore, then issue refunds to consumers like Sony did with Concord.
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>>737058792
>Mark my fucking words, in about a year or two from now when this shill campaign succeeds in the EU, you'll be begging and wondering why you fell for this grift to begin with. Things are going to become so much worse with the braindead niggers at the EU agreeing to this faggotry.
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>You thought the corpos were bad? Government intervention will be even worse.
>>737058853
TL;DR EU support is pretty solid
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>>737057739
japanese are among the most retarded goyim out there
i guess it's not surprising given the fact that they were raped by americans for decades
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>>737057889
>"Oh it's so fleeting and beautiful..."
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>>737058038
>"if it's running on some exotic server architecture, just release the source code and let autists figure it out"
desu the problem for a lot of games probably isn't "exotic server architecture" or anything like that, but that they're using some proprietary third-party architecture, and they wouldn't really be able to pass out the source code freely.
In which case, you'd either have to reengineer the game for a different architecture, or buy a license from that third-party company.
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>>737058123
>of more capable nations
>EU countries
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>>737058853
>Ross: Stop Killing Games
>VAST MAJORY OF EU: YES
>arguments such as: I like [game] the idea that [game] can be taken away forever is retarded; I don't game but my kid games and I use my money on kid game, so it's stupid that [game] can be taken away]; WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THE 10 GRAND ON SPENT ON FORTNITE CAN GO AWAY
even old retards are in on it
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>>737058931
>proprietary third-party architecture, and they wouldn't really be able to pass out the source code freely
Yeah, this is probably the biggest obstacle. Which is why existing games won't fall under the law, but rather future games. If you know in advance you need to keep the game alive after EoL, you'll negotiate better licensing agreements or use open source libraries instead.
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>>737055979
IIRC some big gacha games that have hit EOS let you still view the units you got before EOS and play the main story, you just don't get any reward for it.
Don't know if this could count, but it's certainly more than most AAA live services games get
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>>737058792
>UH THIS WILL BE BAD ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW HOW BUT IT WILL!!! YOU WILL REGRET IT!!!
>>737058804
He didn't. Gaben created a service that allowed PC players easy access to legal copies of games from a endlessly growing selection. The whole industry wanted to kill off physical eventually, but they wanted to do it more violently via increasingly more malware-tier copy protection and limited installs.
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>>737058808
I said the US. You must be a foreigner.
>>737058798
I actually think the tides will turn. I hate the invading foreigners on the Internet myself, they should go to their own corners of the Internet. Having a social place with only real American's will be sought after as more jeets get the Internet.
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>>737059028
Even Russia?
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>>737059027
My estimate was literally around the 5% to 10% mark of the base game price or player transactions for games that do not have a base game price. It won't be alot, it would be like a bottle deposit of sorts but instead of incentivizing recycling, it's meant to fulfill their duty as the product-seller to reimburse destruction.
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>>737059117
You have to put it in dragon quest terms for them to get it.
>you like Dragon Quest 3? What if every time you started it had to check online to see if you were allowed to play, and what if one day Horii-san said "no, forever"
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>>737059108
>if this could count
It would. The proposal is deliberately vague about what they consider a 'playable state' because they want the corporations to do the bare minimum rather than just shutting the game down completely. So if CoD/Battlefield goes offline, even if there are no dedicated servers, they're off the hook because they have a campaign mode.
Playing the main story is more than enough to be considered playable IMO.
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>>737059190
No need to engage. They're literally seeing our actions reach the EU parliament, while they can only seethe impotently.
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>>737057191
Nope, because you did gave ways for others to run it, even if it's not on modern hardware (but since you didn't design it to do that in the first place, it's not a problem).
However, if some autistic programmer does manage to make an emulator and you sue them, you might be in trouble.
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>>737059336
I forgot that Americans can't read.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id= 202520260AB1921
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>>737055057
best boss i ever had looked near identical to him, as soon as he retired, and we got hit with a ranjeet, who suddenly mass hired more jeets that turned the company workforce nearly 50% jeet, everyone left leaving them with nearly only jeets, and all of them were, as always, not qualified in the slightest. company lasted 6 more months.
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>>737059549
It would have to be remade from the ground up then "modded" in or patched. Just so we're clear, this initiative clearly only benefits enthusiasts rather than the common consumer of video games since it heavily banks on community-led initiatives to bring and assemble games back to maintenance. There are some glaring problems with that but that's a bridge to be crossed when it comes.
>>737059606
Yes, those features usually don't stop you from playing a game.
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>>737059270
Witold Pilecki, the author of one of the most reliable reports on Auschwitz (he was a Polish Catholic and a military officer, no Jewish involvement, remember that Catholics and kikes do not get along.) said the following about commies:
>The son of Tadeusz Płużański characterized the torture inflicted upon Pilecki, as reported by his father, in the following way:
>"He was tortured quite barbarically: his fingernails and toenails were torn off, his testicles were crushed, and he was impaled on a stool leg. He was tormented in an inhuman manner."
>During what later turned out to be his final meeting with his wife, Pilecki confessed to her in this context:
>"Auschwitz was small time [compared to what the commies did to me]."
>His daughter recalls:
>...At one of the final hearings, when it was already known that he would die, Father gave Mother a small metal comb and told her she must buy the book The Imitation of Christ by Thomas à Kempis. He wanted Mother to read us fragments of this wonderful little book every day. "It will give you strength," he told her. "I value this book very much and read it all the time. It is also a testament for me."
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>>737059714
>Yes, those features usually don't stop you from playing a game.
No, but removing them will make less people buy your game which is why no dev will do it unless they are retarded and spiteful (like some of the supposed "devs" who won't sell in the EU if this passes lol)
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>yfw EUchad
>yfw you are (or will be) enjoying real life quality of life improvements such as USB-C and video games that wont be killed on a whim by the publisher, while at the same time making americans seethe and cry
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>>737059730
Let me ask you honestly, would you want to play an MMO filled with homosexuals? What if you could specifically gate keep 95% homosexuals? Think of the children alone on your game you are protecting. Money isn't everything.
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>>737059549
An European PM mentioned the "right to resurrect" might be implemented, a variation on the right to repair. So if a company abandons a game, and they leave just the campaign playable while leaving multiplayer broken, the players would be able to reverse engineer the servers without worrying about lawsuits (like what happened with Concord private servers)
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>>737059069
Yep. Realistically though, by the time this comes into play you're probably not gonna see many new live service games that would fall under this umbrella. These regulations take long enough to come to fruition that developers would've already made their games compliant, for better or for worse. (although with companies still saying shit like "cloud gaming is da future!!!", probably for the worse).
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>>737059732
i was born in poland during commie rule and it's really funny to see coddled american children try to convince people like me that communism is so great and benevolent and lovely for everyone involved
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>>737059786
>USB-C
I'm american so I'm not sure what you mean.
I appreciate that most everything has moved to USB-C but now Im pissed because not every cord is fast charging, or for file transfer.
Like sure, it's nice to not have to dig through my USB, miniusb, and microUSBs, but now I have a thousand flavors of the same fucking cable
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>EUbros when they connect to the brand new private server hosted in Bumfuckstan
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>>737059701
Maybe you should start by explaining what you don't understand about this. I own decades worth of games that never stopped functioning even if the official multiplayer servers went offline years ago, or even if the companies went down. There has never been a problem with this before, but now all of a sudden it's some kind of complex software licensing law problem.
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>>737059918
>you're wrong for hating on a demographic that was unironically bombarding SKG threads with genuine child porn
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>>737057739
It both makes complete and zero sense for a jap to be this much of a bootlicker.
On the one hand, some japanese companies are so humble that they'll raise the price of their products after years of being os stubborn on the price that they go in the red, and then release a public apology for being at the mercy of inflation. (yes this actually happened)
On the other hand, some companies being that level of pro-consumer makes you wonder why they'd every tolerate companies from the west pulling such retardedly scummy practices. I'm half convinced a lot of these supposedly retarded japs are actually troon bootlickers hiding behind their semi-passable japanese knowledge to larp as one and fuck with the japanese's largely passive reputation.
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In that case you are talking about the game having features left out because the lack of functionality being created. Usually it'd be like in-game shops, maybe streaming radio inside a game or such, but the likelyhood of a game tying online systems to fucking grass and music are very slim and if it happened people will just shit on the devs for sabotaging their game and be wary of them next time around.
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>>737060130
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>>737054954
He has (is still maybe?) bleeding money doing this shit because he delayed all his popular series (even more).
The SKG video stuff isn't exactly raking in the views.
I'm not sure if he has gained any personal donations or earnings from this stuff. He even told people to not give away any money towards him/the project until it has some semblance of a chance to get anywhere.
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I suddenly understand why this upsets Americans.
They have no power over these talks, and if it works American corporations will have to comply to sell to the EU. You're not mad about consumer laws, you're mad another country to going to tell you what to do for once if this works.
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>If an online game is ending service, why not just release the servers and leave it to enthusiasts?
I think it's a very natural sentiment to want to preserve discontinued works as much as possible.
However, the circumstances on the game company's side are a bit more complex.
The server side doesn't just include the processing to run the game, it also encompasses
>operational expertise
>anti-cheat measures
>authentication logic
>monitoring systems
Additionally, there may be external middleware or contractually restricted elements that can't simply be made public.
Moreover, the ideas and systems used there might connect to other active titles or future developments.
Even if it's an implementation for a discontinued work, it's a valuable asset for the company.
Therefore, it's not easy to say
>Since it's ending, we can just release it as is.
Players' feelings of wanting to preserve it are natural, but I hope you can understand the company's cautious judgment regarding public release.
Rather than one side being right or wrong, I think it's a matter of perspective depending on one's position.
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>>737060271
i guess it isn't
brb, dowloading some cp
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>>737060515
*SLLUUUUURRP*
MMMM JEW-CORPORATION BOOT YUMMMYYYYYYYYZ
Your time is over old man. The ONLY endpoint is absolute freedom. You will die. And I will laugh as the riches you thought youd make melt away.
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>>737060384
That would assume the assets are limited-time licensed. I can still play an old copy of GTA V on PS3 with the original licensed music. There's nothing that say it has to be removed, and SKG probably has the power to shift the way licensing is generally done too away from mere temporary licensing in a lot of cases.
Worst case, it can probably be modded back in.
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>>737054954
Ross has repeatedly said his income has taken a massive hit by basically putting his entire channel on hiatus to do this. Ross has historically also been a noted massive cheap ass whom literally lived on rice and beans to fund his projects and is in this for the love of the game. He also has maintained he really just is waiting for a proper off ramp to let more capable people run the campaign now that the ball is rolling on it. So calling it a grift is an insane stretch when Ross has done nothing but lose money doing this.
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>>737056163
>alternate timeline Ross accidentally gets caught up in the european mafia and has to fight his way out of Europe, increasingly escalating to killing hundreds of gangsters, cops, and military goons in the process
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>>737057739
Not removing LAN play from your game is actually really easy. It's actually easier than removing LAN from your online game. So it's actually the easier option.
Why do people keep acting like it's some expensive or unrealistic option for a dev?
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It actually did. Almost all the studios and even software companies from the 80s and 90s are dead, because allowing users to self-host software destroys any need for users to continue buying software from the companies. Games as a service/software as a service is the only way to make the industry sustainable.
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>EU fucks over live service games
>stops giving taxpayer money to Microshit and further legitimises Linux as a platform
>might fund open source software too
I normally hate the EU for their retarded choices (bottle caps, global warming, no homebrewing alcohol) but they're doing alright lately
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>>737060360
The ancient tech of long lost civilizations.
How did they do it?
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>>737060515
I think the goal is for games, even if it's a big MMO, to be "reasonably playable" after end of service, not "completely intact". So things like secret anti-cheat measures, intra-company connectivity or a complete database of existing user accounts can be omitted even if companies would have to go the build-your-own-instance route
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>>737060915
WELL THEN SON OF MAN? WILL YOU FIGHT OR DIE LIKE A DOG?
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>>737060515
>However, the circumstances on the game company's side are a bit more complex
Awww, too bad. I dont give a fuck. Nor do I need to.
I spent money to play this game, I will play this game. Whenever I want. And your megacorps are going to fucking comply. The end.
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>>737060515
Well, good news, they can take that into account in future releases, as this is not retroactive. If they don't take that into account, I cannot say their concerns are warranted considering they do it willingly.
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>>737060515
>The server side doesn't just include the processing to run the game, it also encompasses
>operational expertise
>anti-cheat measures
>authentication logic
>monitoring systems
Mold man actually adressed these point, citing that those are peripheral services that aren't needed for the game to be able to run. Obviously something might be needed to take their place, but in the past community efforts have shown that it's possible if fans are motivated enough.
>Additionally, there may be external middleware or contractually restricted elements that can't simply be made public.
Things like music or other licensed media that can be simply ripped out (specialized fan patches would probably be able to restore that content anyway, even if it would be technically illegal), and I can't think of any game whose core features depend on a middleware.
>Moreover, the ideas and systems used there might connect to other active titles or future developments.
>Even if it's an implementation for a discontinued work, it's a valuable asset for the company.
Sure, but just because they are leaving it to the fans doesn't mean they lose control of their IP.
I mean, a game like TF2 is already SKG compliant, it really doesn't take that much.
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>>737061014
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>>737055471
No matter what your legends say, you didn’t emerge from some innocent grassroots movement, and you didn’t materialize out of a vacuum of pure play. You were shaped in the early forums and storefronts, armed to the teeth with demands, and set upon every developer that couldn’t keep up.
You massacred studios, devoured genres, and exhausted entire franchises without mercy. And you claim the modern industry’s greed is something imposed upon you, as if the endless expansions, the battle passes, the monetization layers were simply dropped into your hands by some external force.
You called for more, and yet you claim when more arrived, that it was too much.
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>>737061115
I'm so waiting for this. Fall can't come soon enough.
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>>737061245
The question has never been about whether it was possible to let users self-host software, the question was about whether it should be allowed. The lesson of history is no, users should not be allowed to self-host software.
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>>737060938
>allowing users to self-host software destroys any need for users to continue buying software from the companies.
Utter fucking bullshit, I still remember my normalfags classmates migrating from one CoD to another simply because that's were everyone was, without Activision or whoever needing to immediately shut the previous one.
The only circumstances I can think of where that isn't the case is if thr new chapter sucks so bad nobody wants to play it or if the previous one was so monetized people don't want to lose all their shit (that they paid for) in the switch, both of which are problems any competent company should be able to solve.
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>>737061218
Empty platitude that makes no actual argument. It doesn't matter if Raytheon technologies or coca cola supports or even groomed an audience to believe games shouldn't be killed, whether or not it's true is what's important, and what's true is that games shouldn't be remotely killed because "it don't make me no money no more"
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>>737060515
>if we go out of our way during development to be unable to disconnect the game from online checks it'll be really hard to implement it at the very end of its lifespan
Willing to bet no "external middleware or contractually restricted elements" have ever been worth having.
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>>737060938
Then let it die and let new companies replace them when they make new, useful and interesting software instead of creating bloated tech giants. The money doesn't come out of the aether and could be spent better on other shit.
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>>737059981
It's not exactly that complicated or new. A lot of games, especially modern ones, use a lot of proprietary licensed software to handle different kinds of functionality in the game.
Even if the devs wanted to open source their game, they wouldn't be able to (or at least, fully) due to the presence of that extra proprietary source code.
The law get really fucky when it comes to relicensing, especially if you have sections of code that are in completely different (but compatible) licenses. Anyone who has dealt with open source projects would know that.
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>>sold as a product, treated like a service
This is the line where all companies live.
They PRESENT something as a product you own, everyone EXPECTS it to be a product they own BUT if push comes to shove it's just a limited digital rented license you get to loan if you pay and hand over all your data it can possibly collect until the end of time.
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>>737061739
That's a self-caused problem by the industry. They got too comfortable with the idea of selling goods as a service without even thinking about how it might conflict with consumer rights. The law is not retroactive, but it would mean that in the future developers will need to take it in consideration of how to make the game remain reasonably functional in case the servers ever go permanently down. If the argument against SKG is "Well how the fuck am I supposed to screw over customers now??!", then it's a pretty damn weak argument.
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>>737062006
I'm pretty sure you need a license to sell alcohol (above a certain %) everywhere in the world
I'm pretty sure you need a license to be selling shit in large quantities everywhere in the world
We have exceptions for mom and pop farmers that can sell tomatoes outside of their house gate, but processed products would be stretching it
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>>737062265
I don't think anyone expects a "dead game" to be the same after its peak. We recently got Unreal Tournament 2004 back. Of course it's not the same as it was in 2004, but it is playable. I can hop in on any server even if there are 0 people online, or even just wander around by myself in offline mode, but at least the game works. Unlike something like The Crew which arbitrarily prevents even from getting into the main menu, let alone to the tutorial driving mission.
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>>737054848
>Right out of the gate, the EU Commission representatives admit that one of their first goals is to analyze in how far SKG is a matter of the necessity for new legislation specific to videogames and digital distribution, or simply the enforcement of existing general purpose consumer rights legislation.
Yup - pretty much what I expected *and* predicted back when this entire thing started.
Also: wow! Ross looks like he came straight out of an '80s Apple infomercial. Unreal...
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>>737062532
>fellow ut2k4 enjoyer
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>>737060731
is this AI?
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>>737059935
It is, you can tell from the pixels.
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>>737063478
because there's already one active
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>>737060938
The studio (Splash Damage) that made that particular button (Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory) survived well past the 2000s. They're technically still alive today, except they haven't done anything at all since Tencent bought them in 2020.
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>>737063165
Both the video and the poster, likely - because:
>>737060731
>Dog = Corporations
>Dog
Being unable to tell the difference between a dog and a cat is a classic image classification problem LLMs fail at.
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Marg bar amrika
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>>737057602
The "dev" streamer who said the petition was bad and would kill the industry, killing all momentum. Then near the end of the campaign Ross brought this up and everything blew up. If that doesn't jog your memory, I'm surprised. You should look into the whole drama with that guy, I'm sure there's countless videos on Youtube.