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You've Forced My Hand Edition
Wiki for character guides and such (Under construction)
https://wiki.play2xko.com/en-us/
>Official link
https://2xko.riotgames.com/en-us/
>How do I get in?
F2P on Playstation, Xbox, and PC and playable everywhere
>NEW UPDATE
Akali has been confirmed to be the next character. Senna too, I guess. Likely to drop mid-late march.
>TWO ECKS KAY OH
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I wish this game was better optimized for my absolute hunk of shit laptop because the lobbies are a pain for me. The game has been fun but I can't play it for very long so I can't get strong at it, but that's okay because I won't lose to the weak ass players I seem to be sharing lobbies with usually even when I keep forgetting to turn off Pulse combos
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>>558015410
>Akali
Someone on that team definitely has a vested interest in that hero being strong, since Akali is beloved by every retard with a god complex. I think it's safe to assume she'll have a bunch of tools she doesn't need
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so let's try to predict akali's kit
>gigantic slow-moving shuriken
>command backflip with followups (similar to warwick's demon flip but moves her backwards and has a projectile because fuck it)
>teleports anywhere anytime
>invincible reversal super
>parry super
>level 3 hits the entire screen frame 1
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>pay up, chump
it's like they wanted to flop
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Decided to finally give this game a shot. It's surprisingly fun, I think the FGC has been too hard on it. I get the complaints about low character count and the lack of any modes outside of casual/ranked is a problem but the game is F2P and not 60+ dollars so I think it's a solid trade-off. Skins are expensive but none of them are hot so I'll pass until swimsuits drop. I think casuals will drop off hard, but for regular fighting game enthusiasts I'm surprised there's so much negativity around the game.
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>>558015410
Senna will be busted. The devs can't figure out a weakness to give to rushdown characters with zoning tools.
Akali might be pure rushdown, and looking at Vi, they know how to make pure rushdown not busted
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>>558033515
Idk
Bbtag got a lot of negativity for being a tag fighter too
1v1tards just love to fling shit from atop their molehill. They just want to wank how they managed to be the least niche of our genre for some reason, idgi.
Like seeing a fat hobo making fun of an obese hobo, what a victory dude, congrats ig
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>>558025262
lights are stabs with kunai
mediums and kama strikes
heavies are kama whips
Gonna have big disjoints on the whips a l yasuo for no reason
Kunai throw that she can only do diagonally downward like chip shuriken.
Smoke bomb move that gives teemo invis or maybe smoke bombs are just her teleports actually
The demon flip with a projectile is probably exactly right its gonna be fucked up
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>>558045912
It's not even that hard of a tag fighter, UMvC3 has a higher skill floor than 2XKO and the FGC jizz themselves just saying the name.Just seems like the FGC would rather shit on each other than try different games out these days
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this is like the scene in a movie or show where the hero is about to kill the villain but instead he just gut punches him and spares him
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save us kali...
please...
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pretty good sesh
only lost to this filthy j*gger on jinx he was so cringe
Kinda wanna buy the heartseeker jinx skin..
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>>558045803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juXdRwCbI9o
i never actually listened to darius' theme in isolation til now and never noticed the (very far in the background) war chanting
god he's so cool
god his theme is so cool
i love him so much bros
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>>558082689
she's fucking annoying but at least the plays she makes are mostly intentional
ekko has too much shit that's literally "i'm gonna throw it out there and if it hits, you die, and if it whiffs, i'm probably still in advantage because it's too dangerous to interact with me EVER"
the other day i lost to an illaoi that basically just mashed her stupid busted 5m though so you may be on to something
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>>558095167
if you told any fg player about helm breaker they would ask you why the fuck you're still playing this game, like
>it's a dive kick but the hit boxes are so good that it outright beats almost everything but a 2h, but even if you 2h he can rewind it to beat it anyway ON REACTION
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>>558101296
that is the one objectively good thing about this game
imagine if we had sf6 "1 patch per year" balancing and we just had to deal with ekko for that long
now, granted, they are too pussy to actually hit him, but maybe now that the game is in panic mode they will
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How much of a degenerate would I be if I were to buy skins purely for making screenshots like this in training mode?
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>>558107221
What happens for me when I go to offlinelauncher
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oh, huh, coulda sworn
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>>558109848
I think there is a separate tournament launcher that riot gives out that has all the skins on it for locals and tournaments, but the regular one you get is limited to your account skins
If I did have all the skins, I would have done the other screenshot unfortunately, and it's not in my shop either
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>>558045803
The lobby music is very cozy, I like a lot of the character songs too
Need more instrumental low fi math rock in my life
https://youtu.be/zbMVT1y2xkw?si=P7n7KUpP2MCh5a8Z
https://youtu.be/c1Hm24WH1Ao?si=GZ6Rm7C-00kQF6A9
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>>558119145
I dont think it even will Eos
Even LoR which everyone makes fun of is technically still alive
They get a new champ every like 6-8 months and their single player gamemode still gets updated with new levels and enemies.
Afaik they have like 5 devs on it operating a zombie team, same thing might happen to tuko. 1 champ a year just so they can say it isnt dead
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check out my riftbound mat bros
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>>558143060
1. the only real attempt was having it at the game awards
the rest has just been community-driven hype
2. i used to constantly bring up to my league friends that this was gonna be our game, and now i stream it to them here and there
but.. literally none of them have tried out the game
fighting games are just too scary for people to get into
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Remember when there was that 1v1 fighting game with a brand new IP that was starting to make waves even outside of the FGC because it was actually approachable to beginners due to being slow-paced, low power level and having cooldowns instead of motion inputs? Man whatever happened to that game, sure seems like 2XKO could have learned some lessons from it.
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>>558144435
haha
yeah...
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>>558149726
Well then you haven't been paying attention, the first time we saw Ahri in 2XKO she was doing a single strike on Darius. The game was 1v1 and had a completely different (and better looking) artstyle back then.
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>>558156830
i guess, that was like a 5 second long teaser, though. the first actual look at gameplay was like that
also, all of this "but the 1v1 game would've been so much lower power level!" stuff is a pure assumption. there's absolutely no reason to think the people who have released ekko in this state would have ever made a game like that
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>>558157562
>there's absolutely no reason to think the people who have released ekko in this state would have ever made a game like that
Yeah, imagine if the devs had made a slow, low-powered 1v1 fighter before being bought out by Riot to make the League fighter, hahah wouldn't that be funny...
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>>558159361
>dude if only we could have had rising thunder!!!
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>>558159361
You have never booted up rising thunder in your entire life l0l
10 hours in fighting games larp Andy here to tell you what you should be playing l00l
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>>558169352
>You've never booted up this game that was only playable as a beta for a few months a decade ago before being taken offline forever due to the company getting bought up by Riot
Yes, and? The point was that Rising Thunder didn't have an IP or a huge marketing budget, it reached wider audience beyond the FGC purely due to it's gameplay. It single-handedly completely btfos everyone who tries to claim that 2XKO's gameplay had nothing to do with it's failure.
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>>558170965
>It single-handedly completely btfos everyone who tries to claim that 2XKO's gameplay had nothing to do with it's failure.
no bro you don't get it
The only reason 2XKO flopped is that Riot didn't market it enough
If Riot paid for every single ad space and billboard in the US, 3XKO would've been a hit
Gameplay is PERFECT
And if you complain, you're a HATER
I am having a BLAST!
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>>558175893
imo the strength of zoning is just fully dependant on what characters you're fighting, and since the characters that are best at shitting on zoners are also the most common + best characters in the game, it's like, yeah of course it's gonna feel weak as hell
also since yasuo is a zoner i would say the archetype is actually quite strong
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>>558176923
THIS is the sauce
https://x.com/i/status/2024911381422543170
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Inzem tier list
Says that cait's weaknesses are too big for her to be much better
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>>558186117
what is it with fg players nowadays being afraid to say "this character is too weak to compete," dude
i get "oh the character powerlevel is so high that every character CAN win" but it's all still relative to each other
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bitch got hoisted by her own petard
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>>558186518
"too weak to compete" implies they would never ever win no? if they put it like that and then lost to some fag on those characters people would meme them.
There were still like 3-4 jinxes in the top 24 of faustings iirc so "its hard" sounds apt to me
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>>558187421
it's more of an overall fg discourse thing that just kind of pets my head in the wrong direction
obviously there's always gonna be people who are just that damn good at the game, but i'm tired of seeing tier lists that are like "SSS, SS, S+, S, A+, A" it feels like... dishonest to me or something idk. just me being dumb
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>>558187607
Even if tier lists are relative there's no relative power disparity in this game thats as bad as like injustice 1 superman versus cyborg.
In general all games characters are closer together than games of old where F tiers actually existed.
The power differences are really just in the amount of brainpower it takes to pilot for long sessions or how you're just guaranteed to win ~30% more interactions off of having better oki and shit, not in having characters that actually just invalidate other characters entirely from having incontestable buttons
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God do I love senselessly full charging Vi punch in neutral with no plan at all.
Btw non sequitur but its kinda funny how many people say that low elos hate long combos and hate learning blockstrings and and hate niche tech.
Everyone I play into in gold 3 seems like they have 0 idea how to play neutral but have the stupidest 30 second long corner mixup labbed and ready to fire with both characters
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>>558192348
that's literally the best thing you can do with vi lol
and yeah that's actually a pretty common thing in fgs. low elo players will have dogshit fundamentals and 0 neutral and no anti-airs but they've labbed a 90 second long combo with oki at the end of it
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With jinx in, there are actually enough for a star guardian line
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>>558199295
Oh yeah I completely forgot ekko was a star guardian
I imagine most fg bros would never use it, so no way he gets sg first before the other girls
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>>558203151
The killmonger shit is at least something they can make consistently ok where as his mohawk has only ever looked good once in picrel
every other time, across videos, artwork, and game models it has looked like shit. Rather him have the dreads than watch riot fuck up a mohawk for another 6 years.
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Forgot pic
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>>558204909
>The killmonger shit is at least something they can make consistently ok
the killmonger shit has always looked like shit
there's a reason people make fun of it (besides being insanely overused
people made fun of it in that spiderman game
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>>558205120
Not every iteration of a haircut style is going to look bad nor always good on anybody. Miles shit "literally" looks bad because of length and head shape but he's clowned for because the insomniac games have compounded this on top of other bad design choices to where it doesn't fit. Ekko might be the only character that this hair works on because his style has actual cohesion with it. It has looked shit on other niggas where they don't have a style that meshes with it (Phoenix valorant, Ksante lol)
This is not me singing its praises but again it looks decent on Ekko which is more that could ever been said than his old mohawk.
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>>558214831believe me, you'll never know how shocked i was to realize that he's only like an inch taller than me
he's still tall, everyone else in this game is just a fucking freak like braum and illaoi
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>>558216574
That's what I mean. It's strange that stuff like that takes up the BP when barely anyone sees it. Or during loading into matches would be cool too along with your rank or champ mastery. Taunts could be set when you KO your opponent in that awkward pause between rounds.
Also a jukebox mode would be nice.
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Noooooooo! Small indie devs. Riot was probably passed they were taking so long kek.
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>>558216421
That's because the drug thing is something Arcane invented and thus isn't part of regular Jinx. It's also why Jinx is a lot more comical in 2XKO, she's based on her league version, presumably because they started working on her before Arcane even released.
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yeah jinx is like 8 inches taller than she should be
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https://streamable.com/xacu82
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caitlyn is 6 ft? m-mommy..
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>>558239554
HAHAHAHAHA IT FUCKING BEAT 2XKO HAHAHAHAHA
not to mention that it's not really character-focused as a fighting game
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riftbound launched with 16 characters
mogged both of those shit ass games
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>>558242536
They should have reused more of the lor art, bland backgrounds are so boring
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>>558243272
fr
im having so much fun just playing tcgarena with my bros
they did mog tf out of LoR in that department, you queue one lor game with your friend and fall asleep. The skill ceiling in RB is nutso
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>>558243434
they should just turn off PvP in LoR and turn it into a true roguelike deckbuilder with occasional paid content
pour all the resources into a Riftbound client and let it flourish, this shit will go places if you let it too, unlike some off-brand Hearthstone
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>>558243272
>regional meta deck choices
It's better in paper only where you won't run into meta all the time and people are mostly for funning it, trust me bro
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>>558243434
is there a general for this one yet? unironically will move on from /2xkog/
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>>558243737
Unironically, that was a week 1 tournament in china where players are all metasheep.
The meta is still fucky but Draven is only about 20% of the top it's surprisingly balanced.
The only broken thing is that purple is 66% of every deck, that colour is stupid broken and what do you know both Ekko and Yasuo are purple crazy stuff.
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luggs would have saved our game
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>>558247179
>lux isn't even being played, she's just the background picture
Cute wannabe mascot
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>>558248304
yeah the current ranked mmr system is super shit. someone was pointing out that if a set ends up going 2-1 then both players generally go negative in points, which is stupid as shit. it basically makes it to where the only way to actually climb is to end every set 1-0 or have a high wr vs people like noon bleed and inzem
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nothing impressive going on here i just felt cool grabbing him out of his wall hop
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holy fuck perfect curve into challenge into double volibear
draven is just raped
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>>558252178
btw fuck darius
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>>558252273
he needs it
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>>558240431
There's no heavy metal/pop edm remix equivalent obviously, but warwicks theme is pretty good, and I like a lot of the character songs
https://youtu.be/YzKd_ahNkiw?si=WeK00rKEeaZk3uY3
90% of games get beat by set 10 music design in the gameplay though
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lux if she tuko
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ackali
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i was just going to stop doing the unblockable, because it felt too inconsistent, and eh, might as well stop abusing the bug
but in doing so, i found out that the glitched state is still maintained even after my j2H connects 'too early'
end result, it's able to be even more consistent
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>>558281613
she's BFFs with all the most famous tuko characters
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another fucked up part,
the unblockable hit is now delayed enough that caitlyn leaves the screen,
meaning you could just loop it.. lol
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>character has been deemed "bad"
>pros aren't gonna complain about this
>im gonna eat shit to this every time we play
i don't have my "exhausted anime girl who looks like she wants to die" pic on me rn
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>>558291356
lol that's literally nothing
they've said they're doing that every single patch since alpha lab 1, nothing they do ever affects combo length. even specifically hit yasuo multiple times and he's still doing like 25 hit meterless solo combos
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>>558290963
Skd puppeting is still very much a thing even if dash macro was changed, I was watching leffen do it a bunch going for the whiff light and do the puppet inputs in recovery, and I don't think they'll ever truly get rid of it since duos exist
I still need to get the hang of puppeting for when I try random teams out
https://youtu.be/sQURKXkvV0E?si=hJjUxRqN-a5UkUl7
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>>558291478
i think it'll be drastic this time because of how differently they've been talking about it
for yasuo, there haven't been many comboability nerfs, desu
only the most recent patch actually hit something meaningful
>double super after his air combo ender
people have been changing their yasuo combos just to optimize damage
but the combos from back in october still work
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>>558292176
nah they keep walking back and forth on that, i think that's a statement they're being told to make with 0 intention of actually doing it
2xko is already down to its core players, if everyone's combos were as short as darius' then nobody would be happy imo
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Soon to be addressed in the next patch?
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>>558302484
i figured he genuinely enjoyed the game, it was legit all he streamed up until that announcement and he showed 0 interest in other fgs during that time
should have known better, the longer ive had his content in my peripherals the more ive noticed he's a little nothing guy
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fgfags are really kicking their heels and jumping up and down over 2xko dying
fighting game players really get ecstatic over the idea that nobody wants to play fighting games and nobody wants to make fighting games, whats up with that
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>>558304624
fg players are tribalistic retards, literally crabs in a bucket
everybody wants everyone else's game to die for whatever reason, everyone goes "oh my game is the only good one, if only all those other games would die then those players would come to mine"
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In another universe 2xko gets cute vi instead
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>>558304624
This >>558304860 its exhausting talking about this game outside of here. Especially on /v/. I wanted to believe fg players actually play their games, but looking at those threads tells me people would rather jerk of steam charts and make excuses then play the games
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>>558306520
literally just died to "lolxd i pressed 5s1 again + mashed parry or invuln super whenever i was minus"
nothing to learn, lab, interact with or learn from lol. i'm sure this sounds salty as fuck because i am indeed salty as fuck but i genuinely cannot fight this character
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>>558306725
You got more excited over 2xko dying than any tournament or new character you've ever gotten for your game in your entire life bro.
You were more happy seeing the news than you were when you were 6 years old and walked down the stairs on christmas morning lmao, you gotta get a life fast bro.
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alive, fun game
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tsmt
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>>558310178
Shame that you can't interact with people you play from other lobbies, even a sticker in post game would be nice
My favorite part of lobby is taunting random people in chat, I've had a cool experience too where the lobby is collectively ganging up on some salty dudes and we all go to watch them challenge each other and see who wins
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>>558312983
idk about you but THIS lion only concerns himself with one other lion in particular and said lion isn't even in the game
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If there's one thing I'll give them props for it's the spectating system. Dun to just walk up and see what's going on
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>>558315136
When I'm bored sometimes I'll wander around judging people by their name, avatar, who they're playing, and spectate a little occasionally if I'm interested enough, the lobbies and spectate system are pretty cozy
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>>558315974
Neat!
>>558316130
That's what I do with seeing Ahri's but it doesn't stick well unfortunately.
>>558317154
That's what I do or if I tilted from a game I'll watch and see if others are losing to it.
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>>558324308
i couldnt justify grabbing it even though i picked up ww and it's got a cute taunt for him
i literally do not want that fuckugly goddamn ekko skin on my account
i'll never play him but it's like a blight
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I'm just happy that 2XKO failed because it means we are less likely to get other F2P fighters in the future with predatory monetization. If it had been a smashing success, no doubt other fighters would have rushed to copy it. F2P is a blight and I do not wish for it to spread into fighters.
Now if only every fighter with a battle pass and MTX would also flop that would be swell.
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>>558326514
>all chars free to try (only modern fighting game paid or otherwise with this feature)
>two free unlocks for clearing tutorial
>chars take like a week of light playing + dailies to unlock
so predatory bro
>BUT THE SKINS ARE SPENSIVE
then don't buy them you fucking moron
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>>558326759
We used to get all the characters to play without the need to jump through hoops and skins just for the base price of the game. I fucking hate mindfucked zoomers who think it's fine to get fucked in the ass because the dick is only 6 inches instead of 10.
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>>558326954
>We used to get all the characters to play without the need to jump through hoops and skins just for the base price of the game
no, actually, we bought street fighter 2, then street fighter 2 the new challengers, and street fighter 2 turbo. we bought street fighter alpha 1 then 2 then 3. we bought four fucking versions of street fighter 4... or maybe the final one was a free update, i don't remember, but that's not the point
you're the one larping here lol
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>>558326759
>week of light playing
There's your problem, Anon. FG players don't want to play FG's they just want to compare steam charts, bitch about Drive Rush/Heat or x mechanic, and jerk off the good ol' days of the fgc.
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>>558327332
you were still paying between 40 to 60 bucks for a couple new characters, and yeah you could stick to playing vanilla sf2 but timmy has SUPER sf2 and you can pick m. bison in that one so everyone's going to his house
you can stick to playing vanilla sf4 online but you can't play online with people who bought super, and don't you wanna play hakan?
are you seriously going to try arguing that
>all characters permanently free to try + easy to grind for and unlock
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>>558327097
truthfully speaking i don't think the type of person who bitches about 2xko's model is even interested in fgs at all
i also don't think most of the fags celebrating its death play fgs, mostly just random riot haters who are excited to watch another of their products go down
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>>558326514
I COULD call you a retard, because that's what you are, but the real retard here is Riot Games.
F2P is a niche Riot could have filled had they not nuked any chance of success by making this heap of dung into a 2V2 active tag fighter
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>>558328014
The only reason the fgc was interested in 2xkos model is because the fgc is broke, hench why riot isn't getting any skin sales, that and a small group of pros and youtubers being whores for riot money
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I can't believe how much ass it is, who at riot who should I blame for this
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>>558330426
Uh huh yes sure anon even if that is true, this is still true buddy >>558310245
You need a hobby bad! It clearly isnt fighting games
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>>558363092
Do you think codfags also get mad about deadlock existing and being kuso and sweatier than their game?
Just curious if you think your line of thought applies to like anything else on this earth, no flame
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>>558363092
What a retarded reason to hate something.
Imagine someone like you in the olden days, turning his nose up at chess because he thinks checkers is the less sweaty and more accessible game.
what a pathetic existence it would be to jerk off checkers all day and gatekeep the chessfags who enjoy their chess
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>>558377364
It means zoomers won and we all go play brawlhalla as the most popular fg
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? isn't it self explanatory
black people are cool
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if they dont literally remove ekko and yasuo from the game in the akali patch i'm uninstalling. it'd be nice if they also removed vi charge tag and nerfed that character a bit, but if they don't literally remove the top 2 i'm not gonna play until they do
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plz no nerf vi shes all i have
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>>558390413
i dont need nerfs to anything that actually make her interesting. all the sway through + tag, air maneuvering with her double jump (that 99% of vi players forget exists because she has so many tools why would you ever bother with it) and air grab, absolutely disgusting otg pickup capabilities, etc
all i want is a lowered reward for randomly tardmashing 5s1 in neutral and removal of charge tag (stronger than charge projectile tag ever was yet totally ok because ???)
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Alright what's my new account name for the other region
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gorilla vi strong let gorilla gorilla
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz-jUzjvVWY
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I think it worked
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>>558401104
I set the vpn to singapore randomly I think when I made the account
I've been playing random people and still managing to win dealing with some rollback stuff, but I've only played other english looking names so far
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>>558404703
i think braum is broken desu
once yas ekko finally get shot he will be hitlerman, invest fast
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>>558407920
i think he's definitely strong as hell, but it's really hard to say for me
yasuo and ekko getting shot (LOL) would also probably make the other characters seem stronger just because half the reason they seem so shit is because they categorically shit on everyone else so hard
i think zoner stocks could go up a lot if it ever happened (LOL)
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>>558397024
Just to see if I could, I was bored and decided to mess around
Most of my matches were pretty playable except the first few that had bad 8 frame rollback, I probably could play ranked on this account if I really felt like it
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>>558420364
I'm not them anon, either way if you refuse to see why people dislike f2p you're just huffing copium with your fingers in your ears.
It's also financially better for FGs to be paid, paid means actual revenue unlike 2xko which cut half it's staff because a lack of it.
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>>558420903
idk man im not interested in having this conversation again. here's the relevant posts now take a good long think about this
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>>558421020
I didn't have this convo with you because I'm not them, your examples are ass though and outdated, updates as new games have not been a thing in years, only exception is GBVSR, you're also ignoring that f2p games try to eat up as much of your time as possible, they're generally generous early on to hook you and ramp up prices later or the fact if Riot decides to kill the servers that's it, the game is dead, with bought games you at least can play them locally.
And again f2p requires a large casual playerbase that will drop money on skins which FGs can't get so paid is genuinely better for them since that gives them money to sustain themselves.
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>>558421345
you still haven't made a point as to why the following is a bad thing:
>you can try the game to find out if you like it for free, all gameplay content is fully free to unlock, all gameplay content is fully free for offline local play, all characters can be tried for free and labbed against for free without paying
the only part of your post that makes sense at all is about money riot needs to make through sales
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>>558421943
Again not them, but I'll do it for your crazed ass
>you can try the game to find out if you like it for free
This is true, but it's still extremely limited also they're not as common but demos do exist, this isn't an inherent pro of f2p
>all gameplay content is fully free to unlock
2xko also has fuck all in content and unlocking is still a grind as you're stuck with characters you don't like
>all gameplay content is fully free for offline local play
This is nice but also double edgesword because if you're someone that doesn't want to do ranked or just play with local friends there's zero reason to use anything but that means no money for the game to stay alive long term
>all characters can be tried for free and labbed against for free without paying
This is an unambiguous pro.
But in the end we got the proof, unless your game is super cheap to make f2p isn't gonna cut it, they need constant revenues and new players to survive and the fgc is broke and people bounce off FGs fast, otherwise 2xko wouldn't basically announce it's dead 2 weeks after launch
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>>558421345
>f2p games try to eat up as much of your time as possible
Bro its literally one set for your dailies. And the weeklies you get along side them. I'm almost about to start getting stages with how simple it is to get currency. The only ASS is the "play 10 game as X" I will never use Ekko.
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>>558422829
>they're not as common but demos do exist, this isn't an inherent pro of f2p
in fighting games this is an inherent pro of f2p. i have purchased many fgs and never actually gotten to play them against people (not going on discord)
>but the unlocking is a grind you're stuck with characters you don't like
game gives you two free unlocks for completing tutorial + basic missions so you can literally get your wanted team immediately
>but what about the people that don't want to play the game online or with others
they aren't interested in fgs to begin with dude
>but we got the proof that f2p is a bad idea
2xko didn't "fail" because it's f2p, it "failed" because riot gave them 10 years and unlimited funding to make a game and they launched an ultra hardcore spergs-only game with an amount of characters that could be called "pathetic"
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If other fighters were to try the F2P model, do you people really think that they would be as """generous""" as 2XKO is, or do you think they would be grindy as fuck? The problem with F2P has never been "oh it's always bad" it's that most companies see it as an excellent opportunity to nickle-and-dime you at every opportunity.
SF6 tries to charge money for all additional colors besides the first 2 despite having an upfront cost of 60 bucks, and Tekken 8 charges money for basic Unity assets like a grey ball. Somehow I doubt they would make characters easy to unlock without paying.
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>Number 1 challenger rage quitted against Braum Teemo
Kek
>>558423864
But this isn't League or LoR where the games take 20+ minutes even. Hell if you're planning on doing some climbing or fucking around with a new team it just happens. I'm not sure I understand this "mind manipulation" thing.
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Having literally just made a new account, everyone who says it's a grind to unlock the characters at start are either exposing that they've never played the game before or are exposing that they don't have a duo friend to get the second character token after five games
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>>558424230
>in fighting games this is an inherent pro of f2p
Again demos would fill the same function, or like gbvsrs free trial
>game gives you two free unlocks
Wow, and how many more do they give after? What when the new characters are more expensive and busted? You're assuming they're gonna stay ""generous "" which they aren't
>they aren't interested in fgs to begin with dude
That's the job of the game and company to make them, people weren't interested in mobas until league and dota 2 really pushed themselves to make people interested, and no f2p game will ever survive on the fgc alone.
>2xko didn't "fail" because it's f2p
It being f2p is part of it, they basically admitted the downloads did not convert to new players and even less actual sales, had it been 20 dollars that would've at least been 20 dollars for each player.
The other issues still contributed but it being f2p to a market of none didn't help.
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>>558425186
>But this isn't League or LoR where the games take 20+ minutes even.
Match length is irrelevant, it's about conditioning you into making the game part of your normal habits and make you more open to drop money on it
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>making the game part of your normal habits and make you more open to drop money on it
So what if I genuinely like playing everyday, learning, and climbing? Is it wrong then? If Ahri's Coven or Popstars skin was in is it wrong of me to buy it cause I enjoy playing the character?
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>>558425193
it's very obvious this guy hasn't played the game and has 0 interest
idk how people have fun regurgitating the same talking points since september last year but this place is autistic as fuck so it tracks ig
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>>558427483
whats anti consumer is needing to spend 400 dollars just to play a game.
>butt you dont need to buy all of that!
yeah same with f2p games..
>leaf omegalul
kill yourself for pretending to care about consumers while being a crypto trumptard
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>>558449479
to be fair to tekken, that's buying the characters and the season passes, which you would normally buy one or the other
that having been said if you were to buy the game and passes it's well over a hundred bucks
but OMFG ITS SO PREDATORY for an fg to be free + all chars free!!!!!! lol
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>>558450580
>sf6
60 dollar game with 3 season passes that cost 30 dollars each
>gbvsr
50 dollar sequel to a 60 dollar game with 2 season passes that cost 27 dollars each
>strive
60 dollar game with 4 season passes that cost 25 dollars each
>2xko
0 dollar game with 0 season passes that cost 0 dollars each because everything in it is free to play
DURRRRRRRRRRR
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I slept on it. Yet I'm still and confused if I'm some sleeper agent. Oh well. I'm gonna keep climbing and maybe learn Blitz.
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He just declined me after this game was kinda cold of him desu
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I think what I like is being a filthy zoner and pepper spraying people with intelligent traps and careful reads but then active tagging to my gorilla fursuit and suddenly beating ass
I think my opps just cant handle the mode shift i hit em with, it mindbreaks em
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>>558533015
last time I was there they were still trying to push some narrative that 2XKali was fine and criticizing it was sort of incel rhetoric or hate crime so in the words of Eminem
Well, fuck it, those motherfuckers can get it too, fuck them
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Not any Jinx can hit this perfect timed rocket to punish Yas windwall this is high level stuff
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>>558592436
Very weird from many assuming f2p = hell. But hey just shows who has booted the game. 4 hours for 1 char is kinda bad you could get all characters unlocked in 4 hours if spread very thin across many dailies
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>>558592884
thinking about it, i guess it's not 100% fair to blame someone for assuming it'd be annoying and shitty to unlock characters without paying, because 99% of f2p games are indeed like that + the playerbases of those games always swear their game is the ONE f2p game that's actually generous
but if you boot this shit up you do see it really is pretty quick and good on that
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>>558596274
just turns out that this thread doesn't have enough people in it for there to even be a loud gooner spammer
so few people here i feel a need to keep my dariusposting tasteful
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>>558592436
>mfw the game let's me get stuff in a reasonable timeframe
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Well I mainly have Evelynn art, but she's not in (yet).
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>>558592436
you faggots post this shit to everything, regardless of how reasonable the criticism might be
and not only is this the reason no one likes you, it's the reason your game got shitcanned two weeks after release
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>>558583821
actually theres a lot of other ways Jinx can sneak projectiles around windwall
I’m trying to learn some of em the gold yasuos wont even know what hit em
https://x.com/Zedd_FGC/status/2024963880179712398?s=20
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>>558606624
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>>558606624
I used to think Riot was stupid due to how little merchandise League had. Like shit, you have the biggest game in the world, millions of players and tons of characters but the best you can do is a teddy bear with Teemo's hat?
But then I thought about it and realized it must be for a reason. Surely, they have access to data we don't so they get to make a more informed decision, there was just something they knew that we don't.
Fastforward to today and... no. They were just stupid.
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>>558609706
No!
Where's my Nendoroid of Evelynn!?
Bless Ahri for making the apex KDA statues take off though.
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Like it's crazy how they don't capitalize on anything. Like everyone is someone's favorite champ and you're not gonna try and make stuff for anyone that isn't lux?
Like shit they could just again do a bunch of nendoroids, but I guess gacha is more appealing
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i would buy the darius statue but his face is ultra fucked up in it (as it is in almost every piece of merch he has)
fortunately got the little legend of him back when it was new, only issue i have with it is he has no scar but it's ok
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My condolences. Jesus
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>>558631619
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I saw a critique of the lobby system that I thought was pretty salient: Why do lobbies always take place in arcades?
In every fighting game they’re just nostalgia bait for a bygone era.
The actual stages in the game are never cringe enough to be arcades, they’re canonical and story based but for some reason lobbies can never deviate from the 1990s.
It would be cool if the lobby was actually somewhere like summoners rift and instead of arcade cabinets you met at a lane or a jungle camp something to find your opponent, idk theres more ways to make things thematic and cool and tie back to the source material
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That would be kinda cool actually even if it was just a shrunken down version of SR. Honestly it could've just been BBTAG's lobby with that skin applied. GBVS is pretty cool too isn't it?
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Family does it to me too despite that they get a piece kek. Still gotta figure out what skin/theme I'm doing this year now that I think of it. Maybe Coven or SF this year.
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Summoner's rift if you go by the original lore before it went to shit is essentially their universe's lobby system where all the champs meet together afaik
If the lobby was the rift, it'd be like going into lobby that's a copy of another lobby to find a game that's set in another part of their universe
It's probably just cleaner to do lobby-in universe fight and imagine the characters are fighting it out in locations, then going to a place in universe where the characters fight to have them fight it out in a different location in universe
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i got carried away and forgot to actually write a response
it'd be nice but i get the feeling they're all already recorded. a lot of them are really fun so it's a shame. i wish this game had more voicework in general
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>Why do lobbies always take place in arcades?
That's not true. That's for Tekken and 2XKO, right? I'm sure for others but those two are the biggest culprits. Well, the thing those games have in common is being giga soulless.
Granblue has the best lobby system in all FGs. You should unironically download the free version on Steam and just go explore the lobby. You won't understand just from watching a stream.
But Granblue isn't the only one. Strive has the abhorrent tower, but it's very much not an arcade. DBFZ likewise. XRD, Melty, DNF, if memory does not fail me.
>It would be cool if the lobby was actually somewhere like summoners rift and instead of arcade cabinets you met at a lane or a jungle camp something to find your opponent, idk theres more ways to make things thematic and cool and tie back to the source material
That would require the Devs to be League players who enjoy the IP or have any respect for it, which isn't the case. Literally nothing in this game ties back to the source material and there's no theme going on either, at least no cohesive one.
This might be the harshest post I've ever made about this game.
I don't give a shit about 10 characters or Ekko being OP, this game's worst crime is everything aesthetics.
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>>558606624
Ahrifags are the most powerfulfags sadly
She’ll never be toppled
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https://x.com/Play2XKO/status/2027051033046679979
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>>558636676
being embarrassed implies being human, Sajam is basically just a chatgpt youtuber, he doesn't care, 2xko flopped so he is trying hard to jump on the next big thing despite the fact moba players don't like his type.
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>>558692485
on the upside of being low level, you'll be taken out early,
so you might not even be shown on stream being bullied :)
i see names on there that beat me up in ranked free
i'm just entering for the business suit
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>>558692918
Fuck it I want the suit really bad.
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Tbf that's really all they can do at the moment. Hopefully next week's is a bit more meaty I guess
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i'm feeling pretty sharp today, too
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thought i might check out cotw again now that geese is leese
but they're charging 20 bucks for him. you have to buy the whole pass, you can't get just the 1 character
don't worry though, 2xko is predatory
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that's gotta be the only situation i've ever seen ahri 2h fail her lmao what the fuck
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Half the time playing I either feel like offense is very strong and I need a miracle to block but equally as often defense seems so strong I could never open someone up who knows all layers and everything gets read or reacted to. If Sf6 had pushblock, retreating guard, 10f parry and fuzzy jump into block you'd never get a hit ever again.
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Diaphone vod reviewing the wawa kayne match of yas ekko vs ww jinx
My only worry is that since a bunch of grands recently aren't purely yas ekko mirrors, riot wont hit yas ekko that hard
Hikari lately is apparently down on yas ekko even, he's been playing yas ahri recently
https://youtu.be/QRfvqfyXEn4?si=srr71RLH2CRq3lzI
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>>558715486
any changes they're making to ekko in the upcoming patch have already been locked in for months, if what we've heard about how patch cycles work in this game is true
pros might be desperately trying not to be obvious and stop ekko from getting nerfed but it's coming (maybe (and yeah prob not enough lol))
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God nothing beats getting hit by some guys mix, being assblasted and thinking damn this guys way better than me, and then jumping away and spamming projectiles and assists and vi punches at his direction and hitting stray rockets into full combos until he dies
Im such a filthy rat pig
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the next guy iirc has beaten me in ranked, so i might be cooked
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>>558722219
No fucking way kek
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Well fry together then!
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>>558722389
Yup I got washed, but I had fun and going at least 1-2 in my first tourney wasn't so bad! Better than 0-2 at least!
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>>558724862
Based. Maybe I'll actually be on a full tank tank of energy next week!
>Still blocked a bit of freestyle mixes from my opponents
I swear if my neutral and defense was better... but it was fun. GL if you're still in!
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>>558725894
Next time. Big W's
Now that I understand how this shit (start.gg) works I'll join again without a doubt
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I saw him too kek
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good job entering and fighting lads
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proud of my tuko warriors
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I was tempted to put /2xkog/ in front, but I was hiding in case I went 0-2 kek (didnt want to bring dishonor). Thanks bros. Shits fun. Gotta keep getting better!
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>>558737438
lil dude was so shocked you blocked all that that he didn't even continue his pressure when he couldve lol
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he made a teemo comeback that would've otherwise brought me to last game, last round
>losing 1v2 against a champ i fight practically daily
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0'03 i should know how to convert from ahri assist spin state > gunshot > swap, every time
0'04 autopilot blockstring; i could've reset for more pressure
0'06 upback is bad if he parries my fireball, because i'm way too disadvantageous
0'16 if he blockstrings into shroom, it seems punishable every time
0'32 opening gambit, teemo likes to do jdart or dart+assist; both of which can be sj > airdash out?
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fucking oof
iktf but man. being stuck in the corner vs braum shield assist, in particular, is so "what do you even do in this situation"
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>0'16 shroom after blockstring
one of his nerf patches made teemo shroom interactable way earlier, so I think you can jab it out and clear it while it's in the air if he does it like that if run up throw doesn't work or the like
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>>558750548
Barely any are on start.gg or even tournaments at all just fgc hangouts. Challonge is a lot better for small organizers and you find locals by browsing old forums, your countries/games discord, cursed Facebook/Whatsapp groups or this page and copycats: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=39.72834284053463%2C14.8547454 19306028&z=3&mid=1C3dPEhu5M-uiP8Igf 0TKGh9zw4Xd-GU
If I go by start.gg I would have 0 or only billion miles away too, in reality I got 5 weekly locations I could hit up for 2xko within 100miles radius. And asking 1 dude to take an hour to get into that riot support program ain't hard cuz they are rarely tuco exclusive events.
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>>558755519
Similar situation to malls vs amazon.
Locals need to reinvent as to why people want to take part in those gatherings now and offer a big sense of belonging/community/new friendships and while playing offline discussing in-game decisions/coaching each other is necessary otherwise it's just a worse ranked queue.
Early on I'd still say any entry fee or 2 digit gas money is worth it as it'll be a indirect coaching session for the genre and a nice 3rd place. (low lp 2xko Grandmaster is still early on) Afterwards only coming back once you grinded enough so you can win whatever prize they might have.
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Why are 2xko players less inclined to use this shitsite if active numbers are similar? You wanna tell me tournament players will never visit us for good reason?
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>>558778696
Good ekkos are beyond sick, watching frosty finals when both players were doing new shit the other was developing mid-fight was insane.
I think people here just get assmad at midlevel ekkos because he’s overly rewarding for learning the layer 1 of simple and repeatable oki and neutral spam. If his floor was a bit higher idk if anyone would complain
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I knew everybody that complained about cait didn't play league
https://x.com/ExpressLOL_/status/2027043478799372633?s=20
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Always has been
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>>558794976
How do we calculate aliveness should I divide the trailer views by twitch viewers multiple that number by our higher than Sf6 & Tekken TNS player entrants in the last 30-day average while taking the square root of subreddit posts?
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>>558795552
how about the fact people aren't watching the trailers for the game even days after? or the fact that now every non riot video on it are talking about how the game is dead?
2XKO is dead and Teemo on the thumbnail ain't saving it.
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what the fuck happens here
Why does my vi invul through his burst?
I deserve it though anyways this guy abusing broken top tiers
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thank you king
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>>558830783
It's actually so tragic cait is agreed to be so bad, I was hoping for her to be turbo broken just to see all the memes and seethe
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damn i didnt really want to main vi cuz shes kinda ugly
but i dont think the other characters do it for me gameplay wise
Im just a fat chud gorilla fuck
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>>558833307
if i HAD to rank her, i guess she really is bottom two, only above blitz
but she's still easily strong enough for me to enjoy
>(unblockable) restands
>full combo from fullscreen zoning
>silly damage after tag launcher
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BREAKING BREAKING
Blood Moon is Akali's skin
https://x.com/Play2XKO/status/2027598442390868186?s=20
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>>558846817
Surprise suprise and Yas Ekko skin too
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very cute akali
picked the fuck UP
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>>558846954
I'd post Ekko but I don't like him. Also I don't even think he is in BM in LoL
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>>558846954
artists save what the modelers fucked up, her design looks good when they crop out her covered back and fugly shoes, what do you know
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I never cared much for base ekko, but his skins all are pretty cool, sandstorm ekko is pretty good in this game
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>>558846954
Very cute without the mask, I hope her base skin has a costume code like Cait does to take her mask off
Also if they have merch for her base skin already, it's probably not changing much at this point
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ok i straight up dont understand ahri
i keep trying to learn her but her neutral is just not making sense to me
I played into a braum and he was so big I couldn't cross him up, all his normals are both bigger and faster than hers so I cant trade shit ever and throwing fireballs at him looked like it doing less damage than if I were tickling a hippo.
What the fuck is this useless character
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>>558851574
My go to when I play against braum is to not use ahri fireballs that much on him, and go for whiff punishes or throw him out of armor frames, if you're fast enough you can jab them out before their armor frames kick in too
Super jump gets you high enough to jump over braum shield I think, and you can then spirit rush/dash over
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>>558861616
i strongly doubt that this is the case purely on the basis of "akali players would buy skins no matter what they're loyal waifufags"
i think they just genuinely thought it looked good. consider how many other misguided decisions they've made
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Puppeting is cool af though
It does need to be balanced somehow though the fact it costs 0 resources to just get more out of your tags makes no sense
Every puppet input should increase assist cd by maybe a second or 2 or something like that
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are you like in the top 5 of caitlyns do you think
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>>558887189
possibly, but just by default
seems like the actually good players tried her out and dropped her,
and i'm not running into any more caitlyns i want to steal stuff from
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>>558887876
i think she's getting buffed 100%, but not nearly enough for me to stick to her or in the way i'd want
i'd want stuff like.. faster airdash, backwards airdash, airdash cancel on whiff, faster run speed, faster backdash speed, etc
aka, ahri with a gun
i like playing mobile characters, and caitlyn's still a slow-ish zoner at the end of the day
akali's going to be so fun
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Wawa did play vi cait up until winners and a match in grands, and leff was top 8 in her release week on her, so it's not like it's unwinnable for her
She just has to work a little harder than most in comp play, but she's plenty fine for ladder and most regular gameplay if you like her
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>>558897316
Avatar looks fun, I'll look forward to trying it out when it releases
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senna if she hot
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it's hard for me to buy that cait is actually weak and not just underrated
i think sf6 and ggst (games where characters full potential is unlocked within 1 day of release with a few exceptions) have kind of made people quicker to judge
not saying she's amazing but i keep seeing her get called bottom 1
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i mostly just said that because watching twinz yasuo do extremely long delayed rekka puppetting was so ridiculously strong for no reason. to me, if you tag out, that should be it. your character can finish the attack they started but no followups. obv what they do isn't possible for solo players either
just my opinion but it's a system mechanic that is 5x stronger for some characters than others which i don't like
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>>558910104
I believe especially with Akali in so early. The question is Kai'sa or Evelynn next?
I just hope she's voiced by her VA Mara Junot (Tokon Storm (really she's storn in everything) and Sindel in MK)
That's all I want.
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>>558934164
if they block it its good for you, thats what zonings all about.
Once they get conditioned to block thats when you can rocket jump in and try to set up a sandwich, or catch them with a low.
Also I think doing heavies to launch the monkey and getting jump cancels is pretty good for messing with people and catching them at crazy angles.
Idk how to use chompers at all though so im looking for tips there
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>>558934164
It's fine if they block the trap, you'll win eventually through chip if they don't walk forward, your goal with the traps is to make it hazardous for them to walk forward if they mess up and bait them into making a mistake like jumping at a time you're prepared for or just running into a trap/rocket. If they're blocking a trap it usually gives you some time to set up another trap or make space/run up and pressure
On charged jH knockdowns, jinx can also set up a trap for oki, it'll help bait wakeup dp/roll depending on the trap and give you extra strike throw pressure
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>>558939497
we all like jinx thoughever
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>>558954796
It depends on how much momentum th the monkey has when it hits the wall
You can cheat monkeys through all of yas's shit if you time it right
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>>558956249
it disgusts me when people who play top tiers can't acknowledge how strong their characters are. if he played a team like darius/illaoi or blitz/braum for 1 week he'd shoot himself in the fucking head (and the world would be better off for it)
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>>558957802
I think avatar looks cool but I like tuko :)
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>>558994629
for low level + beginner play i'd say it's overall pretty spot on
i'd argue that certain characters become harder after a certain point bc their basic shit stops working as soon as people learn to block/parry though
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Braums shield assist in the corner is actually so disgusting, the duration lasts so long and cucks you for the entire time
Fuck whoever who thought they needed to buff the assist when his shield bugs would have been enough to help him out a lot
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>>559026551
I hope avatar does fairly well, it looks like the best anime 1v1 fg to come out in a while, 1v1 bros needed a win
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>>559038303
if it helps its not always a true move after her 5S1
There's a few frames of startup she can get hit out of, if the Vi spaces it poorly you can light her.
I'm pretty sure that actually happened here, I didnt space it correctly at all. he just went for a mid so it wasnt fast enough
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>>559042598
whats wrong dont like dying because he randomly pressed 5s1:
>while you were jumping
>while you were attacking
>while you were blinking
>while you were breathing
>while you existed in the same universe
it's reactable :)
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>>559050792
It's going to be literally just Korra and like one of her villians max
None of Korra's jimlord friends are getting in, the writers realized how bad they fucked them up themselves when they wrote them out of the story in the last season
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Compared to airbender, Korra is an absolute joke. I thought it wasn't quite as bad as people make it out to be though, people act like it's the devil. The fight scenes are good, the villians are okay and Korra herself is pretty sexy.
Imo the main crime of the series was how utterly boring they made every side and supporting character when that was like the main strength of airbender
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probably gonna be a while before i manage to do this in a match,
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top level players have already been doing it from early on
eg, i distinctly recall being hype about wawa doing it at that.. 2nieceko? evo france?
i don't know the event names
but yea, now it's even more common at the tournament level
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>>559056628
i find ekko fun to fight always
But I do play Jinx so. Every Ekko I've ever played against gets stunlocked when they realize they're the ones who need to go in and that their projectile will literally never hit me
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obviously not, my point is just "fighting ekko is pure cbt"
my initial response was to the statement "it's actually fun fighting ekko 1v1" >>559056628
it's not fun fighting a character with that 5m, that projectile, and the best divekick i've seen maybe ever with the oki that he has on top of all that. even solo he is hitler
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