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>Decklists
https://hsguru.com/ – previously d0nkey - free stats and deck lists
https://hsreplay.net/meta/ – deck tier lists (bronze to gold)
https://vicioussyndicate.com/ – meta report
https://hearthpwn.com/ – decks, news, patch notes
https://hearthstone-decks.net/ standard & wild decks
>Deck Trackers & Statistics
https://hsreplay.net/downloads – deck tracker
https://go.overwolf.com/firestone-app/ - deck tracker
https://heartharena.com/ – arena helper
https://github.com/supertriodo/Arena-Tracker - arena helper
>Misc.
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24245219/deathwing-strikes -back-in-cataclysm-heathstone-s-nex t-expansion - new expansion
https://playhearthstone.com/ – official website
https://hearthstone.wiki.gg – wiki
https://battlefy.com/browse/hearthstone – tournaments
https://hearthcards.net/ – custom card maker
>Helpful Links
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MmLTCm7vdg5icVF4dAQhHf8sO_AZvE4gwO 8NuQE8oxQ J_Alex's article on gaming mentality
https://screenrant.com/hearthstone-future-content-2024-nathan-lyons-sm ith-tyler-bielman/ insights from the devs on why the game is shit
>Current Hearthstone Event:
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24242864/your-guide-to-cat aclysm-card-reveals-and-free-reward s-in-the-dragon-s-hoard
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>>558820727
Eeeh... The herald cards are good but I have no idea what deck is going to be running all those fire cards, dragon warrior is already an active warrior deck that's barely losing anything and the only card they might use is that deal 1 to all 2 mana one. The rest seem really bad.
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>>558820882
https://www.hearthpwn.com/guides/12214-cataclysm-card-list-release-dat e-expansion-details#card-21 there is black spots in some classes
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Finally veredict? Which is better? And the worst? Which class will ruin our ladder in the future?
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It's going to be a tempo bloodbath between DH, Hunter, Warrior, and Shaman matchups.
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Fellow Hearthstone players don't forget Blizzcon is the moment!!!
Panda time is approaching, the salvation of this game and will be GREAT!!!
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monk will save us (at blizzcon)
evoker will cement us
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>>558821194
They kind of fumbled the theme. This was supposed to be some sort of post apocalyptic setting where Deathwing wins but the cards don't really reflect it. Where's all the cultist and faceless/old god stuff, the destroyed cities and dead heroes? Also literally only Rag, Cho and Magmaw look 'empowered' in what is supposed to be a different timeline the rest of the colossi look literally the exact same as normal.
I don't know what to think, was very excited at the beginning when they announced it but they did not really seem to take many chances with the colossus/herald stuff and most of the cards look very standard.
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>>558820173
These 3 cards will be insane if there’s any form of enrage Warrior support in this expansion or the near future. This actually gives me hope that the future of Warrior won’t all be diaper slop.
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You’re both right
On one hand, the whole atmosphere of the set could have done a better job at making the world feel like it was cowering from Deathwing and his army as opposed to emphasizing heroic last stands and shit
On the other hand, the set is full of really great artwork like the Priest Shatter and Searing Fissure
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anon download yakubian control algorithms, no other classes may enter agartha
go my child, zap to the extreme!
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I know I'm probably dumb for saying this... but I believe that Mage still has a chance.A chance to get shit on by every class except Druid
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>>558822915
warrior legendary most likely gonna be
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=44600/halfus-wyrmbreaker
any fiend from the baradin hold for dh and warlock
and neutrals, millhouse? that cultist bitch from that deepholm dungeon? the 4 mechs or malorak from nefarian's raid?
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>>558821194
>Worst Class
Mage by a mile people will suffer trying to make the ridiculous deck of spells work
>Best Class
Hunter and is not even close. Aggro is back on the menu.
Hunter, DH, Warrior and possibly Shaman elementals will make the ladder a new hell.
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>>558822027
the theme isn't deathwing has won, the theme is deathwing from a timeline where he won has come into the main timeline and is trying to win here too
its supposed to be an evenly matched fight between deathwing and alt-timeline friends against the aspects and their friends
>>558824853
dragon hunter is not aggro, its midrange. but yes it looks very strong. midrange dragon hunter and hero attack herald dh are my bets for immediate redditshitter complaints. we'll see if they're actually good or just good at eating stupid 0iq greedpiles
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>>558821489
quest warrior is fucking dead lmao
its losing
>safety goggles+hostile invader
>brawl
>shield slam
>new heights
>zil
>ceaseless
its aoe is now a 2 mana whirlwind, 4 mana lose up to 5 armor to whirlwind up to 5 times and a 6 mana lump damage aoe
the shield slam replacements are 1 mana deal 8 to a damage minion and 3 mana shield slam
dead might be a bit exaggerated but its not going to be a menace like it is now
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>>558825665
I think warrior has a strong herald but its less immediately obvious how to build the deck. I wouldn't be surprised of herald dh is a day 1 menace that drops off but once people think a bit warrior becomes the premier herald class
a 4 mana 4/3 that summons a 4/2 with rush that shoots something for 4 when it dies is nuts
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>>558821489
>tier 0
he cant even beat tier 3 deck lmao (in current format)
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>>558827698
the real way to herald dh is treat it like a midrange deck that chips them down and uses azshara to push the last bit of damage
anyone trying to otk with her is a retard. I'm sure you can but it will be protoss mage levels of slow that control will be able to out-armor
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>woke up too late for the welfare pack drop
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>he win too much
>activated algo script
I really wanted to play Zeph for block
But it scripted lose i doubt iceblock here....
He got all treasures in one turn
That thing i most hate in nuHS not players not cards THIS FUCKING THING
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genuinely what the fuck is rogue supposed to do come next expansion
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>>558828416
Yeah. People just tend to tunnel on a certain idea in the experimentation stage especially when it's something enticing like an otk. There are times people think the goal is to perform a combo instead of to win which drops the winrate. Then refinement happens. We still have DH cards to go and possible cheap heralds too.
>in b4 it's no minion spell support
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oh please tell me how is priest playble
tempo prist?
control 1 good board clear? that any retard can play around?
mage is still see play and win in top legend
the mage colussus will definitely see play
it do board clear and give you spells tons of chip damage
PRIEST CANT PRESSURE WITH BOARD NOR CHIP DAMAGE THATS WHY UTS FUCKING UNPLAYABLE
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Im playing wow midnight and THIS FUCKIN ASSHOLE finally showed up
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>>558831596
Easy Answer : Imbue/casino rig games for you
Please now buy our good signature cards in our shop
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>>558830565
Rogue might actually dip below 40% winrate with the cards its losing.
>Shadowstep
>Dubious Purchase
>Sandbox Scoundrel
>Tess (lmao have fun Imbuekeks)
>Zilliax
Most of these cards are in literally every Rogue deck and are a big part of why the class is able to do anything at all. Unless the reveal some of the most insane Rogue cards ever printed the class is fucking dead after rotation. Like what are you even supposed to replace a card like Dubious Purchase with?
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How many of you are genuinely hyped for Cataclysm? I feel like some of you are treating it like just another expansion.
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>>558838270
i wonder who behind this wr....both are neutral btw
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Do you guys think Wild will ever be removed from the game? Hardly anyone plays it from what I've heard. I heard a rumor that at Blizzcon they'll announce an entire rework of the game mode.
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no, wild is much more popular in china than the rest of the world combined
the mode runs itself since it's the games eternal format, it doesn't have the same problems that duels and twist have where they did require balancing
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Chat why didn't you tell me the meta was this good?
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I just got mogged, bros...
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Druid is in a far worse state desu
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>start game
>DISCONNECT.EXE
>miss mulligan
>get hit with this
>still make it to the point that I win with infinite time warp
Fuck this
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>>558840605
>Do you guys think Wild will ever be removed from the game
feeble transdard hands type this
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Do I push for legend or nah?
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>>558878626
I fear I won't make it...
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>>558878626
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I did it!
Censorship for privacy reasons. I bet Cora lurks here
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Shaman cardback for March
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Mage is going to be good soon
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>>558893159
>good soon
Friendly reminder one week after rotation you will see mage at the bottom of any tier list. That's how dirty they did the class.
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>>558831137
>he paid for early access
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>>558897801
Hearthstone is way too complex to be a physical card game. Even Classic, the simplest set, would be near impossible to do. And once you add Discover, it's fucking over.
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The next expansion will fix everything
Ok the new expansion is shit but the next one after this one will fix everything trust the plan
Ok the new expansion is shit but the next one after this one will fix everything trust the plan
Ok the new expansion is shit but the next one after this one will fix everything trust the plan
Ok the new expansion is shit but the next one after this one will fix everything trust the plan
Ok the new expansion is shit but the next one after this one will fix everything trust the plan
DONT STOP BELIEVING
HOLD ON TO THAT FEEEELINGG
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>>558903121
i still don't understand how you retards can STILL preorder after they relentlessly prove you how retarded they are, or rather, let me reiterate, how retarded you are for still preordering considering we got plenty of people complaining about conn issues, first of all, imagine paying for a game that you can't even play properly
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roguesisters, our new combo slop.
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>>558915651
>Time Admral Hooktail
We playing horrible cards now?
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>>558916049
Ysera on 6 wins games
>>558916235
not guaranteed and costs mana
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>>558916283
Yeah the game is straight up unplayable for me right now, I can get into games but any action takes like a full minute to register lmao
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>>558909171
make sure to preorder all the bundles like >>558905704 for better results
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>>558924072
I can't even climb even if I wanted to LMAO
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>>558893159
I've been trying to theorycraft some sort of combo/burn deck with this card as well as a combo Priest deck with the new location and I don't think it's possible. There aren't enough ways to generate mana or reduce mana costs in standard right now to enable a big tempo swing turn, which is typically what combo decks like this rely on.
Think of decks like Naga Demon Hunter, Mozaki Mage, or Naga Priest. All of those decks had some means of generating coins, refreshing mana, or reducing the cost of their already cheap cards to accelerate their combo. They just aren't making cards like that anymore because reddit complained about it too much.
Also the sheer amount of board vomit slop they're pushing this expansion makes it seem unlikely combo would be able to survive even if Mage or Priest did have a card like pic related. Hunter's just going to smash your face in with its Dragon package.
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>>558927921
I guess there's always still a chance until they're revealed, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. With the genius devs recent fixation on lowering the power level I don't see them making cards like Mana Biscuit or Priestess Valishj or anything that enables "unfair" turns (i.e. playing more than 1 card on curve) anytime soon.
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>>558928760
Like at most we might get another card like Greedy Partner, but that's it. A bad card that people only play because it has synergies later on.
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>>558880807
it was enough :)
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>>558930973
How much do you play once you get to legend?
I swear I somehow nuked my MMR playing meme decks in Diamond 5 and I never recovered (I make it to legend every month, I just lose all will to play once I do).
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>>558931943
Fair enough, I just give up once I reach legend.
Sometimes I try to climb with absolute dogshit decks like this, albeit this deck did defeat me on the climb from D5 to legend.
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>last Wheel of death tick
>no way i can clear this (jk location 10 damage)
>OH THE TIME LOOP
Sorry chud Algo always wins
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>>558955371
https://hsreplay.net/battlegrounds/comps/
trust the twink
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>priest is now bad according to stats
>meet priest
>steals my titan, silences it and kills it
>plays his own titan
>plays card that resurrects all cards that did not start in his deck
>twice
>my anus is gaping beyond recognition
What the fuck is wrong with this game.
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Dark gift is an interesting mechanic but it needs some changes.
The idea that you give something good to a minion and at the same time there must be some kind of drawback.
This is well implemented in two dark gifts, the one that reduces the minion's attack and mana cost and the other that gives a minion stats but puts it at the top of your draw pile.
The charge dark gift needs some kind of drawback, like the minion dies at the end of your turn.
Otherwise it is too powerful.
Also the dark gift that gives a minion immunity to spells should make it receive more damage from minions and weapons.
Something like this would make the player think about including dark gifts in decks instead of auto including them thanks to their overpowered effects.
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>Blob DH
Demoralization tactic against board decks, same as a control deck
>Rogue
Infuriating RNG slot machine bullshit
>Mage
It doesn't matter that it eventually has a combo, all it does Is stall and clear. All stall and clear decks look the same to me.
>Dragon Warrior
Only Island of peace.
Very curious that you omitted Quest Warrior and Control DK. Almost jewish. Let me guess, Control DK is actually midrange?
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>>558960385
Quest warrior popularity cratered after the Blackhorn nerf and yes the dk deck is absolutely not control I don't know why vs insists on calling it that. If the current leech dk is control then so is aura paladin since they generally end the game at the same points and are very proactive.
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>>558960573
It generally plays almost the exact same way as aura paladin where It's just a curve deck that wants to hit key cards on certain turns and ends the game relatively quickly because it plays for tempo early and mid game and then just finishes the game with foemrender or the 8 mana spell. Deck runs literally a single removal card how is it control?
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Had a game against a discover-stone Mage with my Azshara deck
We both managed to survive him running out of stone-charges and me running out of empowered Zin-Azshari charges, we were both healthy, it was still anyone's game
But he still ended up AFK-quitting as soon as his magic-rock was depleted. Shame some people just don't care for the game when the gimmicks are gone and its just flinging spells and minions at each other.
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Dark Iron Harbinger deck
Eggs seemed like a no-brainer
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I am talking about arena?
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Post cards you wish they'd bring back in future core sets
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r8 my free siggys
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>>558994047
retard battlenetdrone, 95% of the population of this general complains about connectivity issues, do you really think all of us have dogshit internet? no wonder this board is full of idiots that preorder in a game they can't play properly
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>mauls you to death out of nowhere
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>win a few games
>suddenly only counters show up
Hmmmmmmmm . . . . .
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>>559002606
The reason why diaper decks are so popular at low ranks is that they allow inexperienced players with no knowledge of what their opponent is trying to do play purely reactive removal cards whenever their opponent develops a threat on the board. This is why diaper players hate any deck capable of killing them from hand, because they don't get to see the threat until they're already dead. Their brains glaze over the 15 previous turns of setup they allowed their opponent to do since diaper players don't think in terms of decks having actual strategy or win conditions other than attrition.
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>>559013145
DH has potential but I feel it's still lacking good early herald minion. 3/1 rush herald for 3 is a nice start but the 2 cost is a spell that gives hero lifesteal. They still have unrevealed cards so it might get it.
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>counter
non existance in high rank because all plays same dh/warrior slop
chance to counter blob dh is very low (because policy)
chance to counter curve slopper is literally zero(deck counter self by drawing shit)
chance to counter diaper with steamcleaner also low because algo rig timeshart in first 2 cards (they should remove add 2 quest rewards entirely)
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thatd be funny if it reset tonight
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>>559026318
https://wccftech.com/blizzard-president-eyes-hollywood-tv-adaptations/
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I'm not going to lie I'm starting to get a bit fucking bored of how DH is the single best class in the game by a massive margin and Blizzard doesn't seem to give a fuck.
And they're positioned to continue being the Tier 0 class because they aren't losing anything with the core set rotation and they still have all the bullshit broken cards that make them Tier 0 to begin with. If you wanted to make this class even mildly balanced you'd need to do:
Infestation to 3 mana
Grim Harvest to 3 mana, or -1/-1 stats on all dreadseeds
Remnant of Rage needs to be a 3/4 like tops
Ravenous Felhunter revives only (3) or less.
Funnily enough you do all of these and suddenly blob will not be a problem. Almost like the problem is the class that has been Tier 0 since they released and have NEVER not had at least one tier 1 deck.
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I've been playing Quest Priest lately and I've come to appreciate Mystified To'Cha. That lil nigga pulled me through more games than Story of Amara could ever hope to...
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I'm a DH chad but I hate blobniggers with passion and hope they nuke the archetype so DH goes back to being an underrated gem of a class that only dedicated chuds still play because Illidan is literally them. Give me aggro or give me death.
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>you now remember these cards exist
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bro lol wtf
Why don't people use Disciple of Demise in their Dragon Warrior its ridiculous. 8/8 clear four one is a Elusive 6/7 lifesteal. I didn't even win because this faggotron got TWO Aggamagans from his quest beast.
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>keep dejavu untill diaper shart his quest
>stole quest nigga
>champion of kino
>brann for 1 mana
>literally can do anything
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*WOOP WOOP* ALERT INGAME TYPO SPOTTED
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>>559069120
i do not want muradin jaina or uther to be a nigger, thank you.
>>559068173
like their posted crap from ow1 era/ow2 trailer?
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I got to do the meme guys
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Really makes you think.
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>>559085679
kek i like that
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Paladin is already hard to remove but with them getting rid of all the good board clears it feels like pala/hunter are just going to crush everyone simply paying on curve. Like how do you win if pala plays weapon and then Nozdormu on 5. You have to clear a 7/7 divine shield with all the other buffed minions or you straight up autolose.
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>>559101451
It was never a tier 1 deck, it was a response to the tier 1 meta that emerged because people were sick of Renoslop. Diaper decks were dominating ladder because of Reno, and Wheelock was the only way to beat them other than playing a very fast deck like Beast Hunter (which farmed Wheelock).
You already know what happened next. Diapertards shit and pissed their pants because any deck that takes andvantage of the wholesome chungus control strategy of doing nothing for 12 turns is literally Hitler and must be nuked from orbit. The devs obliged, not wanting to upset their loyal paypiggies.
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>>559107761
fatigue is a better game ender than just losing on the spot when you try to draw from an empty deck
0 wincon pure attrition diaper decks exist in magic too, fatigue specifically has nothing to do with that archetype existing. the issue is devs listening to the people who think every game should end by fatigue damage, not fatigue itself
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Meant for
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Bow down.
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>>559118168
>Dies to BGH....
oh nvm....
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>>559120414
It's in a locked state of running this card
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>>559120414
competetive ? none
semi comp - protoss mage memewing mage
fun - toki mage
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