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Vocaloid Edition
Game Info:
>COME ON AND SLAM
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065800/Marathon/
>Marathon Game Home Page
https://www.marathonthegame.com/
>Reveal Cinematic
https://youtu.be/fvbEnWLRo1s [Open]
>New Gameplay Trailers
https://youtu.be/hWwXSb7dlnQ [Open]
https://youtu.be/MXhQbF7TlbA [Open]
>New Gameplay Footage
https://youtu.be/ToVHiqE_S5k [Open]
https://youtu.be/l5JXX0KZioI [Open]
>The Entire History of Marathon
https://youtu.be/yu7uN6-lNhk [Open]
>Play the Original Marathon for Free
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2398450/Classic_Marathon/
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/
Databases:
https://tauceti.world/
https://tauceti.gg/
https://marathonmeta.gg/
News:
>SERVER SLAM BEGINS FEBRUARY 26
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon-server-slam
>CHEATERS BANNED FOREVER NO SECOND CHANCES, LOOT WILL BE RETURNED TO AFFECTED USERS
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathonsecurity
>NEW OST TRACKS
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m7VJ7MwzXPMN7xwF-c24Yl pWEsJXj65AI
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>>558935261
you vill sacrifice your kind
you vill use ze knife
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>>558936023
There is no shooting twitch skill needed in the game.
You can’t push people in this game. You outflank them and get the drop on them by being situationally aware.
As soon as you start fighting NPCs, you expose yourself.
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>>558935236
I would assume infinity technically wrote them into a corner, it's too confusing for 99% of people, "picking a timeline" just seems unfun (i.e "who cares about timeline 4, it was 1 mission") but they can't exactly ignore infinity either
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that must mean that either marathon 2 didn't take place, or the w'rkncacnter was never released during marathon 2 due to the sun being blown up
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I don’t mind the game, but genuinely Bungie and Sony are insane for thinking that a high stakes, horror-esque PvP focused extraction shooter was going to be some sort of studio/live service defining game per player counts.
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>>558935236
Jason Jones still works at Bungie, the only other writer they're missing is Greg Kirkpatrick. There's one of three options, either they went with the end of Marathon 2, since Infinity is technically from Greg and Double Aught and not Bungie, they went with one of the timelines in Infinity, or the W'rkncacntr is fucking with reality (hence the anomalies). Either way, when you're dealing with hopping timelines and eldritch time altering space horrors the fun part is that you can kind of do whatever you want.
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Close your eyes for a second mr Bungie shill...
Imagine... A Hub, or Hub-Like space
...but on Marathon.
Think about that, it would make the UI waaaay more readable.
Every streamer that I watch try the game, they liked many things and hated others right? but EVERY single one complained abut the UI and menus.
You can fix that with a Hub. You are at time, think about the big picture
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>>558937054
Same, but compare the mass appeal - PvE (with PvP sprinkled in for those who want it), raiding, Diablo flavored looting and progression. It's something that your average dad can dedicate his after work hours to without getting mad. Meanwhile Marathon is mandatory stress, you can actively lose power by just getting turbo fucked by other players and end a night further back than you started.
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awwwww, babbies first sandbox/extraction shooter
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>>558937252
This. There is no feel good element to the game.
The actual game, is trying to uncover a tense conspiracy through factions and in level missions, but that alone, seperate from the PvP, can only be good if the narrative is extremely engaging.
To be honest, a lot of normies only get attracted to character stories. They lack the intellect to discern what’s actually happening at a conspiratorial level in Marathon.
So without any cool characters to latch onto, that’s another story problem.
Anyway this whole game is not a mass appeal game. It’s wild the sort of marketing it received.
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>>558937297
It dont have to be like the other shooters, it can be way cooler!
imagine if you send recourses to an alternative reality where you didnt became a slave brain in a jar. Like a SOMA coin flip where you losed, but work for the "real" you.
Its not even "you" who enjoy the fruits of your labor, but the next dimension version of you. so its really grimm and cyberpunk.
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>>558937376
Get Free Kits from the Armory, focus doing contracts for CyAcme and NuCal; shift fully into leveling NuCal to get green and blue shields at the Armory then go into Archne for the shotgun.
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Congrats, the game is now 70% easier
Stick to walls, crouch when you're looting, ping enemies for team, pop structure radar towers are mid to far range, smg for mid to close, pistols are all three. Volt guns pop shields ballistics are better on flesh
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>>558937665
Yeah that's what i do, free kits i have nothing else anymore.
I dont even care when looting anything, i'll just end up being fodder for ghouls and wont bring it back to base.
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Drop your faceit nigger
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marathon is pretty good when you don't have a bitch in your ear telling you it's bad
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>>558937664
>STALKER
This feeling is genuinely the only thing that keeps me going. The others are right about a lack of hub though, STALKER has those comforting moments of some friendlies huddling around a barrel fire with a guitar, and Marathon instead has you reach safety via a teleporter back to... blue, nothing. It's fitting to the lore, but that juxtaposition of comfort and stress could help make the game more appealing. Plus people love social hub / customization shit in a general sense.
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>>558937963
>they have talked about adding a hub it will probably happen eventually
where? did they say if it was going to be cool?
crazy they didnt think about release the game with one.
The STRONGEST point of the game is the setting (and maybe the music/sound desing), and a hub is the perfect way to show dont tell lore!
They can make it so cool if its an abstract cyberspace with some fake "warm" to it.
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The toilet spawn for Rook is pretty funny
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>>558938160
in an interview awhile back i cant remember exactly when but the question was in relation to wanting to try the guns before taking them into a raid, they said they are thinking about adding a hub/social hub, was a few months back
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>>558937962
Delta Force actually does this part really well. It has the best “home base” aspect of all the shooters.
It also grounds you more in the world and characters.
If Marathon had a home base with some humans and some dudes in shells, it would be interesting.
In Delta Force, it’s really nice to walk around your base and those characters are your vendors.
With Marathon, the vendors are too far removed (Arachne is something you’d see on another planet in Warframe, NuCaloric wouldn’t have an in person represntative), so it all feels strange and too menu based.
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>>558938254
Its still weird that they never thought about Marathon the Doom 2016 treatment. If they felt like it didn't work with their current setting, then something like Doom 3 or Bioshock 1, would still be a good fit given the audio logs, setting, and it would be perfect for having small combat areas that the player is forced to fight in with the current combat system. Even the heat system would probably play fine with it.
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>>558938460
The reason people play Fortnite, and why Fortnite is so good is because of the rate of attention and experience.
There’s always something going on in a match and if not, there’s always a fun way to get around the map.
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>2. Cryo archive is going to be the labs equivalent and there's zero chance casuals will ever get what's required to enter it.
And when they do, some rat nigger is going to shoot them from a dark corner while they're getting face-fucked by the high damage bullet sponge NPCs. Sending them back to the cuck perimeter maps.
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>gold shields in the game
>take reduced damage if reinforced
seems reinforced shields wont be locked to gold, maybe people will finally stop whining about TTK when we start to see more of them
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>>558937748
>What the FUCK do I play now
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Rook is genuinely fun, I've had some great interactions with other players. I've picked sides and helped in teamfights and 9/10 times the other team is thankful and will stop to chat or let me tag along. Maybe he's not required given all the free kits we are spoonfed, but I love Rook regardless.
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Things are looking GRIM
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>>558936760
People use the word satanism with Bungie, I think it’s closer to Scientology even the Destiny Hope For The Future has a reference to bridges and sky. I mean like what the fuck kind of voodoo did the tell people behind closed doors whether selling some big projects pitch,consulting to shut down Last of Us project, and anything in between. This is like lvl 20 speech check tests. I think Marathon isnt total shit but like this is what they had to work ages on, big dollars thrown around, this alleged is supposed to be a top 5 game or else,like what the fuck? I feel crazy trying to wrap my brain around it. It’s not bad stuff, and I think will have a scene, there’s dumb fun farting around, I had no expectation for Rook and it’s fun, but like this game isn’t going to catch everybody. Industry is in shit hole
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Normies and Casuals will probably never reach End-End game, hell, you can even do the very first part on the Server Slam and it's hell.
Right now, the "easiest" way to enter Cryo/Marathon is going to Dire Marsh, head straight to the area where it looks like the earth is disappearing, cracked and a yellowish wall around it; in and around that are and surrounding structures you can find a Legendary/Exotic Anomaly. If you've played any of the Destiny games it looks like a Vex Cube you shoot to open doors (it's extremely digitialized ice cube crossed with Tron and the Matrix effects tinted blue)
It'll either be just floating off the ground or inside a container - once you grab the Anamoly two things happen, first EVERYONE on the map can now see you and two you first need to head to a randomly given location on the map in under three minutes to stabilize the Anomaly. Then (everyone on the map can still see you) you need to go to extract without going down (Bleedout not fully dead). In the Slam once you extract you get, I think 75k credits but in the full release that anomaly piece is part of a key to get into Marathon/Cryo and only *one* person, the person carrying it gets access
The Epic and Legendary tiered UESC Commander has a chance of dropping it in perimeter but it's rare
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>>558939230
Trust Paul Tassi's plan, the west coast is just having dinner, taking a nice bath, and will hop back on Marathon when they're done with church on Sunday.
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>>558939582
The problem Bungie has is that it needs to be one of, if not the best selling game of the year. Watch out GTA VI...
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>I think 75k credits but in the full release that anomaly piece is part of a key to get into Marathon/Cryo and only *one* person, the person carrying it gets access
>The Epic and Legendary tiered UESC Commander has a chance of dropping it in perimeter but it's rare
>BROS PLEASE IT GETS BETTER
>AFTER RELEASE YOU CAN GET INTO THE HARDER MAPS
>YOU JUST HAVE TO SURVIVE THE ENTIRE LOBBY
kek so the shitters will forever be stuck on these 2 garbage maps then. yeah that is great for player retention.
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>spending $4 billion to make a niche game
BRAVO SONY
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>>558939643
The big question sits in Bungie direction, when does the hustle kick in, monetize battle pass, only so many earnable cosmetics(which if what we see now, it’s not nothing but only so many palette swaps), and what will get paywalled in inevitable DLC. An anon brought up weeks ago , what if Bungie made somebody who dropped a DLC locked weapon turn into a base game placeholder for a non DLC haver, considering they got that Trace Status that turns a weapon into credits upon swapping hands enough times, I could buy the anon’s theory
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>>558939925
You won't be able to play the live service slop if it's not making enough money for Sony. Remember Concord? Bungie clearly doesn't, otherwise they would have cancelled this when they had the chance.
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>>558939895
yes i think it will stabilize at around 50k for the foreseeable future, i always thought people saying this would be a 2-300k player game were dreaming bc i realize this game is much more hardcore
i personally stopped playing bc i dont want to grind before release and have everything reset again
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>>558940106
>yes i think it will stabilize at around 50k for the foreseeable future
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>>558940004
the game is already 1000x more successful than concord, concord literally got shut down in a week, concords studio also did not have the pedigree or record of bungie, its not getting shut down in a week, it will stabilize and like i said be basically a scifi tarkov with similar numbers and boons around updates
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10k - 30k is more realistic.
I genuinely fail to see any "hook".
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>>558939492
Sounds like very watchable content, can’t wait to shove my plug my ass and tune into a bungie approved content creator who will pull some degen hours to get it and advance the watchable narrative because god forbid Bungie is ever normal about anything
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I hope you guys realize that within 3-4 days of the full games release the 1% of the playerbase is going to effectively have the game on lockdown due to gear disparity (there's no counterplay like Tarkov) and just endlessly farm people until the population drops to like 10k within a week.
The TTK is currently low, but it's an even playing field. With golden guns, it's not even remotely even.
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It will stabilize
I'm having a blast
The more you play the more fun you have
Games don't need high player counts
Bungie cooked
Preorder now
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>>558940493
Maybe I'm coping but I feel like either credit value is super undertuned or cost is overtuned so people cannot cheese as badly. I've only had a few games right now where I got over 3k on extract, I tend to average 1500.
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>>558940847
What's wrong with being gay?
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>>558940668
>I wouldn’t even put it past Bungie haters to do that and ruin the game.
You know what must be done /mg/
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>>558941064
What's wrong with being gay though?
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/article/bungie-pride-2023
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If you think about it, Chris won and Bungie lost. I hope he gets his $200M (price it cost to make Marathon btw)
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>>558940473
So wait, is the fourth map just flat out inaccessible for solos then? Nobody is capable of doing the anomaly shit solo given that it literally puts a KOS tracker on you on the map.
This game has not been thought out.
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>>558940990
First five minutes of the game you shouldn't be using your gun. All the semi-normal UESC enemies can be taken out in one to two hits with melee and if people are doing the free kit, it comes with a bag of ammo that most people forget to use to get more ammo for the starting weapon.
UESC turrets drop a piss ton of ammo too.
Also smokes completely neutralize UESC so you toss a smoke go into melee and wale on them till they die as they slowly walk out of the smoke then have a Chem or EMP in your bag for when you run out of smokes for Runners
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>>558941490
They're stupid fucking chuds
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>>558940537
Add in just the likelihood Bungie is going to slack on any balance. Idc if they want the heal bitch to be more dignified and integral, Triage is absolute horse shit for removing so much brain power over heals and consumables for the team and the bot being able to be glued to your team for ages is a scam. Also can’t forget Thief, basically can see if loot was fucked with, can get outlines with xray when having line of sight, drone scans people, she can steal shit, she has very strong cores that of course naturally make her better, and movement tech with strand grapple, are you shitting me? Vandal looking pretty dog shit next to that
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>>558941490
>Why is this hardcore game not appealing to the casual audience?
Unironically Lack of Hub, small objectives and a Pet at the hub (Casuals that NEVER heard of Marathon LOVED THE PINK CAT check adjunct image >>558940890)
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>>558941420
>So wait, is the fourth map just flat out inaccessible for solos then? Nobody is capable of doing the anomaly shit solo given that it literally puts a KOS tracker on you on the map.
Yes. If by some miracle you do manage to get into the map, you will have the fun opportunity to die to a rat after you spend 10 mags and 30 medical items on some bloated HP boss. Thus sending you back to the starter town maps to start the process all over again.
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Not sure why people are even questioning if the game will succeed or fail when the creative director and architect for the pile of festering shit we have now left Bungie just last month quietly as they could be (he was the lead designer for Valorant before he left that prior to his gig at Bungie)
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>>558941653
>Not sure why people are even questioning if the game will succeed or fail when the creative director and architect for the pile of festering shit we have now left Bungie just last month quietly as they could be (he was the lead designer for Valorant before he left that prior to his gig at Bungie)
chat is this good news or bad news?
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>>558941653
Art director left too (probably fired, but publicity)
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>>558940537
extraction game players genuinely do not deserve this aesthetic and universe, i am seething.
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>>558941754
at least double check your facts before you post rumors from /v/ because Ziegler is still very much running the show at bungie
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But what if they add fun pve modes down the line?
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>>558941636
Unironically there is a mind numblingy apparent easter egg on Dire Marsh to trigger Bingus to appear.
Chuckle fucks in the YT Discord I'm in refuse to elaborate but constantly take pictures of it from a distance. All I could get from them is that they start to appear on top of structures on Dire Marsh and as you get closer jumps and phases out
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>>558941780
yea man its totally normal to have tons of images of gay shit on your computer alongside whatever horrific fucked up porn you have on there, totally normal! keep on fighting the good fight my totally not closeted culture warrior!! hoorah!
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I was autistically farting around with counting frames, things boosted off cores, etc, like you could slow down his heal bots by like half speed and it would still be free as shit. Like in a game when keeping on top of health is a thing, the triage healing is just insane. Even the shareware effect where you eat consumable buff and give it to people with bots like cmon. That is busted.
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>>558941865
>Unironically there is a mind numblingy apparent easter egg on Dire Marsh to trigger Bingus to appear.
Ok. That based and Bingus-pilled, but Men, Imagine if you can have your own bingus on your hub?
(I LITERALLY looted a prototype pet on the game, and it was an autosell item, wtf? I WANTED for my stash, ONIGGER dont have the right to auto sell Him (it was a white prototype cat, I cant be the only one that looted that item, Im the only one?))
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>>558942137
>Wasn’t there gonna be ingame trophy room?
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>>558942056
this is the worst type of advertising.
>you dont like it because you just aren't playin the game correctly
i feel like i have to take it personally. playin shooters since doom as a kid for over 30 years, and i'm just missing some easy component like taking an angle like i haven't played a fuckin videogame in my life or applied that to something like throwing a fucking ball to play fetch with my dog
im crashing out
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>>558942137
GIVE MY PET AND HUB (maybe a range to shoot my shitty weapon to test nerd shit like this >>558939509)
It can be all fake and on Tron dimension for what I care so it fit your Art director Trans vision
GIVE IT US THIS SOON OR THE GAME IS DEAD FOR CASUALS
WE NEED VISUAL THING TO ATTACH NARRATIVES, NO MENUS
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>The original person that one of the mass produced shells was based off of has gone rogue and has a chance of spawning in certain areas as an ultra strong ai controlled player with enhanced versions of their shell’s abilities
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>>558941780
I like how he lost so he's just trying to concern troll now
>>558941929
you sound upset bungie shill
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>>558942056
I've never seen so many content creators and people on social media defend Marathon, in particular, the that they do it.
>Games not bad you're just not playing it correctly
>Games perfectly fine, maybe it's just not for you even though you play Tarkov, Arc Raiders, and Forever Winter
>The Shells are perfectly balanced and make sense, you're just not using Triage and Vandal the correct way
>The game is great and I'm having fun though, I still do have some critiques
Oh yeah? Which?
>The UI is the worse offender and not anything else - everything else is perfectly fine though and doesn't need to be fixed.
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Is bungie actually completely fucked if this game isn’t a smash hit or has everything been exaggerated from a long ass game of telephone?
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>>558942056
Skarrow is basically trying to fill the Datto role. He also has been in cahoots with that limey pustule Mr Roflewaffles because Bungie basically gave him money to get CoD kiddies to play Marathon, he preemptively knew BO7 would suck so that’s when you basically had Roflwaffles all of a sudden start showing up in D2 content creator videos, making a d2 stuff, was on stage at GCX and very inorganic situations. He tried to cover his tracks and flip shit around by claiming how toxic the D2 community was but mostly it was him trying to make content for a game not a lot of people even watch and failing, and just how people knew he was a rat fuck. Skarrow was trying to ride that wave and my guess is that he figured that he could somehow pivot to Marathon and be like “the guy” for it but naturally people saw how bad Skarrow shills and appropriately roasts him for it.
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>>558942576
Pete Parsons left last year, 1 year before his retention bonus maxed out because he knew how bad Marathon would be. Is that who you're asking about?
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>>558942620
Bungie is very much fucked if this fails, you know how they're releasing this in March? It's because they don't want to miss the end of the 2025 fiscal year even though they're launching to a lot of competition.
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>if
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>>558942690
I really like all the implied lore on the game, with the genetic weirdness, and the high tech that make everything nihilistically pointless and greedy at the same time. The Soul trap and body horror, the collapsing feeling behind the colorfulness.
I saw the photos with all the females and basedboys on the dev team, but Im sure there is some capable people behind that bringing the big themes to the game
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Even this image, look how grandiose and mysterious it feels. There is some capable dude here.was the dude that left the team already isnt
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>>558940493
didnt mean to reply
>>558940601
yeah i have 20k banked but i freekit a lot. been getting assraped today though, 6 games in a row where we frag out but get third partied and everyone revives too often. id be broke already if I was actually buying guns, ammo, shield, and meds each game.
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>>558942620
People called everybody liars, haters, doomers, incels, etc about “the rumors of low Final Shape pre orders” and then Destiny took one of the longest delays it had in the game’s history because the content they originally had was a lot less than what actually ended up in the game. Sometimes internet bullshit has some truth
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>>558942620
Little bit of Column A a little bit of Column B
Sony hasn't said it outright but everyone assumes that they're expecting/thinking tons and tons of players are gonna play it when in reality not only is it an Extraction Shooter it's based off of the most sweatlord-tier ES Tarkov
Then you find out that Sony didn't want to but gave Bungie an extra year to make this thing work and even delayed Destiny 2's next expansion/episode/update for three fucking months; virtually killing it in its entirely (the TWAB, for instance, the weekly news update has now been typed by AI for the past three weeks) when you realize that most people who play Destiny 2 play it for the PvE above all else so its very unlikely they'll play let alone enjoy Marathon
On top of all of that we have this free weekend and after the initial release it's permanently lost 50% of its player base when other games in the same class/genre sustained higher numbers for their Alpha/Beta/Demo Previews for the game; and looking at Steam Charts for games being bought Marathons Pre-Orders are abysmal
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>>558943092
Oh you know, just getting mogged by Wallpaper Engine.
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>>558942493
>”in order to combat mental instability that can arise when a human consciousness spends extended time in an immaterial environment, runners have been provided a physical personal leisure quarters and communal recreation centre”
There, done
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Everyone also theorized that the Final Shape delay was mainly due to Marathon taking up a lot of resources (Marathon was supposed to release two years ago) and after they saw their half assed expansion barely attracted hype they were tardwrangled into doing a bunch of content for D2 like Pantheon and adding more to TFS itself like the prismatic "subclass" which was really just more asset recycling. The assumption is that this also internally delayed Marathon in the process, then they scrambled to try to make two live services work at the same time but failed miserably and here we are now.
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>>558942493
THIS ONE GET IT
>>558943206
Virtual cyberspace is essentially FREE for a corporation, pay with fake reality, Get REAL LIFE material gains
ABSOLUTELLY DYSTOPIC and it give us a Hub, and cool shit.
We ARE the guy in this pic, we sell our real soul for Virtual Gains. IT FITS MARATHON
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That's kind of crazy I thought everyone hated this game and refunded it
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Love to see where all these purchases are coming from like Shareholder and CEOs off-shore accounts or something.
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>>558943042
Said in the other post but that Final Shape delay held marathon back a bit as well. 10 Year Destiny anniversary gets turned into Into The Light filler freebie before Final Shape drops and they took people off Marathon to ensure that was squared away as well as Final Shape that was on delay. Marathon was supposed to be like I think? early autumn 2024? Early public testing was late 2023 originally but yeah I can completely buy the theories a lot of this shit got reworked badly even before sitting in hands of recent testing
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Blasting thru the Charts boys
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I've come to realize that the AI isn't even that good. the AI doesn't really take cover, flank, remember your last seen position, or even shoot accurately, they just have so much fucking health and automatically sidestep when they get shot that that makes them "hard" to fight.
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i dont get it. it takes a whole second to kill someone? i could swear its way shorter if you hit ur shots. people in white or green basically die instantly.
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>BRRT ttk
i feel like thats a lie. thats just not accurate.
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>>558943540
Destiny 2 sorta exists and has the exact same enemy archetypes, too bad they killed it.
Destiny 1 also has the same enemy archetypes and animations (not kidding) and is widely considered the better game at the moment.
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The reason why I’m hesitant to completely buy into the “bungie is FUCKED is marathon doesn’t become a worldwide hit” is because they would’ve had some time to tweak the art direction into something a bit safer with more mass appeal if that was the main priority, but they didn’t. (Could’ve just been out of stupidity but idk)
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>>558943653
theres another list somewhere https://marathon-guide.com/weapons/grid
even with purple shield, only i think repeater has a ttk of 2.something. everything is below 2 seconds ttk
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>loot shit
>get killed
>loot shit
>loot more shit
>get killed before i can extract
I had so much fun in that 1 hour gaming session truly a return to form.
Worst part is i dont even know what i did wrong, i dont see the game having a future at all i'm sorry bros.
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>>558943772
They just need to add Hub, where you see things
Why even a brain in a Jar would peruse thru menus to pick a loadout? how it even pick the guns from the stash if it dont even have hands/virtual body?
The lack of Hub make less sense on this setting
Also that could fit the PINK CAT that every casual know.
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>>558943715
Destiny has more of a MMO style of progression and preset mission style, I kinda want this gameplay loop with the "per-run" stakes but with the focus on PVE.
I'm just sad about the artstyle, it's extremely my shit and I don't think a big budget game is ever going to touch it again.
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>>558943436
I still call bluff that there is some fudging of numbers when it comes to vendors and more official retailers. Just like how Bungie was selling Destiny bundle keys on green man for a special charity thing for their bungie foundation and they wrote off the copies as a loss for taxes and then can scam doubly with the sale factored in towards charity
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>>558944015
So you basically want helldivers, I get what you mean this game has a lot of the same vibes. Too bad Bungie can only do small static maps, it's genuinely sad that just by playing for one day I already fully memorized the entirety of the maps, all this prefab artstyle would lend itself very well to procedural generation, like what was Bungie thinking?
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>There won't be a hub because you are literally an engram floating in quantum flux until you get slammed into a shell and shot towards Tau Ceti IV.
If ONI the npc can have a Physical body representation, The Player can too. It would make the presentation easier to read to the casual player.
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The game have a lot of water environments, maybe some lurking alien that pop out if you get near water.
I want more body horror, like half bio half robot. Arent they growing biomaterial on the labs or something
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>it's genuinely sad that just by playing for one day I already fully memorized the entirety of the maps
Worse than that (and an actual problem) is that the player spawns are too easy to remember. At this point I know all the spawns, so I can just cheese people that think they’re safe for the first minute of a game by killing them when they’re sprinting to wherever they wanna go
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Kinda, I haven't actually played HD2 but AFAIK it doesn't have the punishment for dying? like an extraction game has. Or at least not in this scale.
Also agree on the map gen, it's also disappointing that so much of it is the generic open-worldslop types of areas like jungles and wastelands when it could have been a really fucking interesting futurist-urban setting to lean on. Though apparently the last locked zone seems to be what I'm looking for.
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I like arc raiders menu, where the order you unlocked your workships, is how you they show up in your house, its just a little nice flavor customization that reset on wipe
and you get a pet that gets the basic resources for you after every mission, doesn't matter if you succeed or not
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they could redeem it if they make us go on spaceships with labyrinth type corridors to navigate
they need an area to constrast the clown world character designs. everything looks like a bouncy castle right now
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>>558944563
If she can have a big ol head, we should be able to have a body too. How is she supposed to sell my things for credit if nobody have hand on the brain jar????
>>558944603
It have to be a little more dystopic and sad, but something like that. Arc Raiders is surpricingly warm, people are literally playing instruments and singing songs on that game. We cant have that.
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how did people decide the smaller TTK was called a "High" ttk, its a lower number than a bigger number, but maybe there is a reason for it
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thats just how i describe it. im tryin to say it in a good way by the way. i like it but the game balance and marketing is almost making me give up on it.
like knowing i have to put my cat down in few days so im mentally preparing for it.
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seriously, who is realistically customizing their shell to look like that while trying to earn credits
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>>558936760
I don't really think it's horror-esque, aside from the music and jumpscare sound effects. The actual game is a little cyberpunk in aesthetic with ADHD elements. I think where they fail is thinking this appeals to a big audience.
I don't think Extraction games are going to be the next big thing unless the formula undergoes some really important evolution. I hated dying at exfil, I hate dying because I can't find exfil, and I hate dying and losing all my stuff if I carry it into the map. That said, I also played EvE Online for years and I'm used to losing shit when I die. Taking that into account, I never go in with anything but the free or sponsored kit.
Adding a story to your Extraction game is kind of neat, but it's all so fucking predictable and you can totally see the twist coming that I'm just not that impressed. At a minimum, they should find a way to smooth out the process of getting into the game and recovering from your losses. Losing from RNG when the RNG doesn't even give you anything worth the randomness, unlike the rewards you can make from gambling at the casino, just makes this feel unfair.
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>>558937054
They both have their appeal but I think they completely fucked up with Destiny. Not even Destiny 2, but original Destiny. They took the science fantasy aspect in the wrong direction and every expansion has shrunk the setting rather than expanded it.
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>>558944716
you're using words as a manipulation tool and its making me hostile
>thought it was WAY LOWER than .5
were going off fuckin milliseconds man. you are not a super human robot to be able to talk like that.
some of these guns are hitting .5 and less on purple shields. thats fucking low.
in an actual practical setting of seeing someone, pointing your crosshair at them and pressing trigger, 1.5-2 seconds is fast as fuck.
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>you are not a super robot
what are you talking about retard?
any good player has a reaction time below 200ms. the difference of 500ms vs 1200ms is fucking massive.
and besides the snipers, railgun and maybe magnum no gun has a ttk that fast.
the V11 ttk on that chart is simply false, the firerate is wrong.
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You absolutely get melted in this game. There’s zero movement to react to anything either.
I had one encounter pushing someone reviving a teammate, got to them, face to face, two shot gun shots on them and about 13 smg bullets into me and it’s over. That’s at full health and green shields.
That’s gotta be about 0.6 seconds.
Where did they get this idea for the ttk from considering Halo and Destiny’s shield system is fine here?
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>>558945218
Even if they do I don't know that I would care. Part of the appeal of "mercenary" stories is the idea that you can do what is rare in the real world: pull yourself up to success and wealth through immense personal risk. If they go darker and nihilistic then what's the point?
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>>558945364
lets bring up the v11 numbers to tryin and discredit the list alright man lets do that. very good lets call me a retard too im sure that really will make me listen to you
holding m1 for 2 seconds to get a kill at the most, is fuckin insane. shut the fuck up. no one wants to pvp in a game like that except sweaty fuckin morons who have monetary gain in it.
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im sure its easy to picture gettin one tapped by a shotgun.
i know because its happened to me
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idk they seem pretty personalized, but maybe its just junk they put on
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I think at least 70% of the people complaining about dying instantly would likely have their problems solved if they played destroyer. His thruster dash is the easiest way to stop yourself from getting absolutely fucked since the dash is almost impossible to track, and you can cover enough ground with him to actually make it to cover when you get jumped or need to push
but of course everyone just wants to play triage for free heals or assassin because he looks cool, both of which require good positioning, so they inevitably die because they're fucking retarded
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>>558945643
i haven't played a shooter intensely since 1.6 and source
i know what a spray from an AK and m4 is like. that shit is ingrained in me.
its even worse in this game because of aim assist. its insane. quit tryin to defend it.
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>>558945642
Like that! where does she sitting if not on a place???
Why the toons can have bodies to hang out on cinematics but not on gameplay?
We need a hub so that make any sense.
Vandal is on a place in that webm, but not on a run, she HAS to be hanging out somewhere, even if its a virtual world, that it was I mean.
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thats what i was expecting but apparently everyone that played destiny 2 was okay with this because they are used to it.
im sure thats where this anon came from>>558945643
keep hearing how the playtesters bitched about the long ttk because they couldn't, get this, listen closely, they weren't able to 1v3 a whole squad by themselves, you know, for..."hype moments"
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>>558945510
Honestly? Nothing. At the end of a run I see a lot of shit get saved to my vault and then I have to sell it manually. The only longer-term stuff I have in there are 3 guns and their ammo. I sell off mods and shit because I don't know what to do with them yet.
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>>558945679
I don't know. I got two-shot when some runner flanked my team while we were reloading after we killed 5 UESC bots and another runner. That was nasty, especially when my health bar wasn't flashing red or anything. How are you even supposed to learn where the exfil spawns when that happens?
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>>558945698
ok unc from portugal, ttk in cs is literally like 200ms. so 2-5 times faster than this game.
>>558945704
Oh yeah? Try me. I played
>quake
>unreal tournament
>cs
>titanfall
>tribes
>cod
>battlefield
>every half life 1 and 2 mod you can think of, including of course Day of Defeat
>timesplitters
>halo
>medal of honor
>crysis
>killzone
>portal
>borderlands
>fear
>serious sam
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>2 seconds
>2-5 faster
>when the second fastest time on purple shields is 2 seconds~
you lost. you're retarded. your argument will never work in your favor. keep listing single player shooters like it means anything in a multiplayer context for a half baked genre from the past 10 years
im seeing no Doom and you want to slap in borderlands so therefore you're a faggot
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I think a lot of people are complaining because they don't know how fragile they are.
I do find it annoying that the waster and the long shot are completely fucking broken compared to most other guns aside from the autoaim volt throwers
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https://unityispower.io
Can you solve this Wordle?
The password isD5GY78C
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Ok this shit is cool.
Soul Redeemed
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>>558945896
But you can’t 1v3 in other games anyway.
Fortnite I can sort of do it, Apex maybe if you’re zippy, Halo no, CSGO maybe, Siege sometimes.
Every game fucking does this recently. They do these closed tests with “content creators” (you make YouTube videos don’t kid yourself) and they base the game around someone who plays for 8 hours per day and farms clips.
It doesn’t matter how much exposure these people will bring in, that’s still only a handful of people playing.
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I’m telling you boys that moth is some Illuminati Rothschild trans humanist imagery or something
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>>558949803
Quick flashing images of insects/larvae are scientifically proven to cause visceral disgust in people, which is why they're used in studies to provoke certain emotional reactions. Whose genius idea was to put them in loading screens? The the whole thing screams "stay away".
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completely unlike the original, READ THIS
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/counterattack.html#M1.05.2.1
and thats just the mida uesc thing, durandal terminal kino is seriously so well done
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how do you tell if a mission needs to be done in 1 run vs can be progressed over multiple? One of them had 'exfil' as an objective so obviously it needed to be one shot, but another one I did was also one shot despite the objectives seeming completely disconnected
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>>558948852
In the case of Marathon it isn't that hard. Beyond the established story elements of the prior three games, the original announcement trailer and even the 8 minute CG animation did a lot to intrigue people, at least until people learned that it was an extraction shooter.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbEnWLRo1s
Its just one of those things where it being the kind of game it is really does spoil your interest in it long term. I'd love to play something like this if it were like the Division games, Far Cry 2, STALKER or Metro, Dying Light, or even a DOOM or lite immersive-sim game. There's reasons why people were drawn to its brand of sci-fi, and that's why its criminal that its chained to a multiplayer-only extraction shooter.
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Should I give it a shot bwos? I have nothing else to play on this chill Saturday night. I haven’t played tarkov, I played arc for 10 hours, but I do have 500 hours in d2
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Imagine if BR as a genre had the TTK of Arma, it would have gone extinct
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>>558951772
It's free for now, might as well try it and see what its about. I uninstalled after a few runs but it wasn't bad, really. It was just too sharp-edged: feast or famine, except "feasting" feels pointless because credits don't buy you anything permanent. You can already see the grind the game will impose on players and the free cosmetics all sort of suck.
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iforgotPUBG was ever a thing lol
youre right well no wonder fortnite took over
remember that game was full of camping
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>running skeleton kit
>run out of ammo and heals
>chud teammates never drop any heals or ammo
>not a single spent battery pack or spare ammo anywhere on the map
>teammates would rather fuck around gooning alt tabbed out than exfil
This game is supposed to be fun?
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>>558935261
You know what I find more joy in playing, with a similar aesthetic and gameplay goal? Hardspace: Shipbreaker. Aside from not being PVPVE live service, it's got all the same elements as Marathon for a lot lower price and a lot more interesting story.
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>>558953457
Yeah but
>Risk your life to recover loot and components from the washed-up wreck of humanity's ambitions
>Spend hours puzzling out the most efficient way to dismantle a given hull vs spend hours puzzling out where the exfil spawn and figuring out the likeliest place to find "high"-value loot
>Stark high-contrast color aesthetics both inside ship environments and outside paint jobs, including the high-visibility hazard paint of your workplace
>Face a myriad of environmental hazards that can end you within 2 seconds or kill yourself by making a poor choice
>Your character is a disposable meatsack that is cloned/regrown whenever you die
Basically the same game.
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feels good
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the first 4 games during this playtest i was in I ended up solo with 2 dead teammates. in my experience it gets better once you get to dire marsh for the first time
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you can't play this game with pubs. solo is an insta write-off because of the insta-kills / TTK so you're guaranteed gear loss. pubs are basically the same thing, roll of the dice if they come kitted or not. only with friends can you have some moderate confidence that you will be able to extract
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>>558954429
Yes, we're getting aliens later
Problem with the server slam is retards made 0 effort to let people know it's not just dumbass same looking robots in the full game.
They're following a storyline and it just begins here, the further we go there more shit we'll get.
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>>558955692
the game is going through a crisis right now. the ttk being set like this is just to hype up the game and make people blast hard
https://streamable.com/te1yzf
here's someone dying less than a second with a basic bitch lmg
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>>558951881
Do the events around the map
>coordinate caches
>hauler pirate signal
>kill the gold level commanders
>clear tox rooms
Also play on Dire Marsh; loot drops in general seem to be higher tier there on average
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id have to look through the mods. im sure one would increase Rate of Fire or some other bullshit that reduces recoil enough to laser beam even harder
id imagine if you use your abilities like destroyers, vandals, or george droyds you can blast even harder
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>doing a mission as sin with a freekit
>actually just step on top of a guy without noticing him, he gets one shot off and instantly breaks my shield
>hipfire and somehow down him before he can get a second shot off
>he had the lever action gun
>it's kind of fun to use
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The lever action is actually great if you can land your shots; basically just a better magnum since you can shoot someone far away with it
>one taps recruits with a headshot
>don't need mods for it to be functional against higher tier players
>isn't ammo intensive which means you can loot more shit
>decent in a mid-to-long range fight
I try to use it whenever I can get my hands on one
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>"Look at how ridiculously fast this person died!!!!!!"
>they got headshotted 8 times in the head with an LMG
Literally any other game would have killed them quicker if something like that happened, yet you think this game is being ridiculous for doing it?
Fuck off with the pretentious "le sigh, this gaem is doomed", you just suck and want the game to mould to you because you can't be fucked to learn or adapt to it. Get bent
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i dont like people that argue in bad faith. you are a little fuckin worm if you try to word it like that and leave out things like rate of fire or rpms.
little greasy faggots like you is why the game will die. even the fuckin jackass i screencapped said the ttk is crazy you little fuckin monogoloid
>le sigh the game is doomed!
it literally is, and im not the one cheering for it, but when we got bad actors like yourself pushing for it, then i really dont give a fuck anymore.
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Raped "fanbase".
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I think I’m out man, The TTK is just way too low. Squad fights genuinely feel random, like coin tosses.
The tone is too morbid and esoteric. It’s a very oppressive game to play, not like the originals.
I don’t feel like Cryo can add much here. I don’t feel like grinding out these maps for guns and scopes to be able to take on a Destiny 2 health bar boss.
For Bungie to put so much on a game and genre like this is wild. Not a terrible game, but not the amount of holding power they need, even if they do fix TTK and a few other issues.
It IS the best extraction game so far, but that’s not much. >>558958004
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I like the game but the community is already insufferable victim acting faggots that blame literally everything on players and blow up on any minor critique.
I want the game to land purely because it's so visually gorgeous and I love when games have such a distinct style and vibe but who the fuck is arguing the TTK is at all acceptable? You're meant to craft a build with shit like "crouching for 10 seconds makes you do more knife damage" but what's the fucking point when everyone dies instantly? Trying to use your abilities in combat is suicide, the Vandal's cannon has such a wind up you're literally just die when you could just shoot them.
Extremely frustrated and can't shake the feeling this was never meant to be a extract shooter and it pivoted to one early on after concepting because they thought it was the next Battle Royale (it isn't).
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why is this info virtually nonexistent? why are we have we been wasting whole mags of ammo on these fucking clankers?
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>I wish exfil wasn't this massive event that draws attention to you.
I think that part is good. The bad part is most exfil spots are in wide open areas with structures or geography that allows people to shoot you from a distance easily, even from higher ground usually. That part sucks ass.
If you want players to defend and attack exfils, give them some fucking cover at least
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It's okay for group play but contrary to solo play.
But yes you're also right the locations are all stupid, like the one on Perimeter at the end of the pier thing that looks out over a massive wide open rock field with literally 0 cover. Actual retard design.
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Nice, I didn't know that. Thanks anon.
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>erm bro if you just play assassin and just go invisible and never engage with any enemies then you won't get instant beamed in the ass while fighting uesc
>what do you mean it's not fun to just run around a map not fighting anything?
THE GAME CAN BE GOOD
BUT THESE PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE BAD
BECAUSE THEY ARE PATHETIC, DISGUSTING, SYCOPHANTS
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The game has some massive design issues. Right now it's entirely carried by LORELOLwhich I don't give a fuck about because I didn't play the earlier gamesand gunplay, which admittedly is pretty alright for modern standards but it's basically just a sidegrade to Apex Legends. Since this is FPS there is actually a niche for the game because the only futuristic/arcade-y extraction shooter is Arc that is a third person game and gunfights in TPS are more often than not cancer.
But not only is the menu-ing fucking retarded (why does tab work normally when I'm in the menus for inventory but when I'm in the ready up screen tab does nothing and I have to press V instead?), the tooltips are atrocious and the game is less casual friendly than fucking Tarkov of all things.
Why do healing items cost so fucking much money? Every single other game you can buy shit healing items for pittance just so you can actually queue into a game.
Why is there no safe pocket? This is literally one of the most important features of extraction shooters, it's there for a good reason.
Why does everything take so much fucking inventory space? You can barely carry out any loot with green backpacks and blue backpack is locked behind rank 15 on a vendor.
Why are all the icons such insane fucking shit? You can barely tell what some shit is at a glance and some you can't at all. If I have a leg implant in inventory it should have a massive LEG ICON on it, this is shit that's been done for THIRTY YEARS and these retarded niggers can't manage with 800 people in 2026?
Why is everything such insanely low value? By far the highest value shit to get out of runs is healing items, expensive guns and bullets. This is actually insane for such a "futuristic" game, it might make sense if you're a scav in some post-apoc game but not this.
This game should be studied on how not to make a video game.
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Also I don't get the complaints about ttk. This shit is the same as every other shooter in 15 years. You die if you get beamed in head. If you can't play at lower ttks that actually help shitters you're going to do worse at higher ttk that rewards people are even better.
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Because getting close to them seems like a fucking bitch. Even if you do, there's always a buddy or 5 waiting around to dunk you. I can only see this being useful against the heavies if your team is distracting them and they're below the shield.
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I got saved on a solo run by my destroyer abilities. I walked into the Hauler, instantly hit a full squad of robots guarding a locked box. I threw up the shield to tank their shots and killed one, then remembered I had the homing missiles. I huddled around the corner of the door and the robots did nothing so I turned on the missiles, went back to the door, and just spray and prayed until my missiles killed all of them.
That was the best run I could've ever had, except I got killed at the exfil because I forgot to reload my gun after a fight and there were 5 more robots just waiting and wandering at the exfil. It wasn't even the guarded exfil, just a random one that I had to run across the entire map to reach. It was so bullshit. Another squad of players rolled up to that exfil and got melted too.
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It seems a lot shorter than Destiny, which is probably where the complaints are coming from. In Destiny you can easily feel like a god killing the AI. In this, you're squishy and fragile.
I'm sure the TTK is about the same for Tarkov and Arc Raiders, but it feels like you can't ever get a chance to use your medpaks or shield restorers so they just end up being useless despite the tutorial calling out that you should use them.
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>If I have a leg implant in inventory it should have a massive LEG ICON on it, this is shit that's been done for THIRTY YEARS and these retarded niggers can't manage with 800 people in 2026?
For verisimilitude. You as a shitty SHELL wearing merc wouldn't know what a mod does until you equip it.
I think all the credit shit isn't actually intended to work. What Marathon wants players to do is grind by doing lore objectives every season and unlock cosmetics, weapons, and disposables that can be accessed through vendors. Credits only matter for buying those, and otherwise they want to starve you out so that you die a lot and need to grind up more.
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>>558962452
It's nowhere near Tarkov. This has higher ttk than Arc Raiders, especially with Arc's stupid as fuck tick rate. The only grossly overtuned weapon is Longshot, I don't understand what were they thinking with it.
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I genuinely hate the tutorial. It doesn't teach you how to ping, it doesn't teach you about the map, and it doesn't teach you about the baited UESC lootboxes. Without the fucking map, you wander around blind hoping to stumble on the exfiltration launcher. Why have an exfil icon on your map but not in your hud? it makes no sense.
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My friend didn't even know the first mission was a tutorial and theres just so much shit unexplained, I already uninstalled, but apparently there are devices that let you upload singular items while mid-match? sounds like a safe pocket alternative at least, that nobody knows about
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I'm playing destroyer because he looks cool and I feel I'm playing with a handicap. Half of his kit may as well not exist it's so useless, if all he could do was thrust and super sprint it wouldn't change anything, in fact if he could only do that but with like a 30% bigger heat meter he would be a better character than he is now kek
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1rhkm1y/after_20_hours_its_ been_a_blast/
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Wow. I wish the game told me that instead of the tutorial telling me to rely on Smart Heal so the game could decide what to use depending on whether my health or shields were lower.
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Smart heal is alright but it needs work. I think it should always basically do HP heal -> shield heal -> HP heal, unless you have reinforced shield in which case it should prio the shield. Right now it just heals your hp to full which is fucking retarded.
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What do you mean server slam? It's a server tickle
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Alright I've done 3 runs so far.
All 3 runs I died within seconds of encountering our first enemy players.
I have no idea what items to grab, and the loadout menu is super confusing.
The atmosphere is incredible though. Very beautiful game and runs perfectly on my toaster.
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Here's your (You). Enjoy your 10k pop in 2 months.
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>>558965935
Honestly? Cope, there is literally ZERO reason to play this game at all, why would anyone engage with this other than to shoot other ppl? And even at that the game seems determined to get in your way of shooting other ppl as much as possible.
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>>558966371
Ya, BF6 at least had hype and excitement around it. DICE or whatever they call themselves now just completely failed to support the game post-launch. Marathon is the most astroturfed game since trannies tried to pass off Dragon Age Inquisition as a return to form.
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>>558966457
>there is literally ZERO reason to play this game at all
not that anon, but you underestimate the amout of people that will fall for this sort of grindy, masochistic autism. There seems to be a decent progression system baked in that we haven't really uncovered yet, I'm not saying it will be good but people will play it.
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>Marathon is the most astroturfed game since
People say this every AAA launch, but honestly most people are just shitting on this game. The only "astroturfing" i've seen is on the hugbox subreddit and from grifters on twitter. /v/ is just ironic "having a blast" shitposting.
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Marathon is a trans allegory, it is a beautiful sexy woman who wants to have sex with (You) (artstyle, music, lore, vibes) but is stuck in a the body of a fat, disgusting man (extraction shooter genre).
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>>558966729
to be fair, it doesn't help a lot of stuff I'm seeing is people posting
>yea you just have to play [Arbitrary amount of time that won't let you refund], then it gets fun
Like, ok shill
>you just have to cut your own arm off
>the dopamine your brain releases will be so good once you get through the bone
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>f grindy, masochistic autism.
i like grinding. But there is no fun for this. In arc you haven dangerous arc that drop shit and it's like playing monster hunter. In marathon you have other players and loot that gives +1 shield slot. It's way less exciting.
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There’s some really terrible feeling PvP in the game, it feels like there’s no curve to the gunfight because people can just pop around a corner and off you in a second.
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>>558966371
I feel the bf6 comparison is kinda dumb considering bf6 is a game that has a core gamemode of 32v32.
If this game only averages around 20k players, that's fine enough for me. I play Hunt at 6* MMR where you typically keep running into the same few people and have 3+ minute long queue times.
The Hunt comparison is also not the best considering Hunt does a very specific thing that other extraction shooters don't do where the appeal of Hunt is expressly the thrill of murdering other players and not actually grabbing loot. Usually when bounty is extracted, it still ends up in a fight between whoever else is left on map. It's raw love of the game
Anyway, my point with the Hunt comparison is that assuming Marathon finds it's niche, it'll be fine.
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>people that will fall for this sort of grindy, masochistic autism
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Brother, i played it for picrel, almost 20 hours, and the ONLY ENJOYMENT, THE ONLY GOOD PART, is unironically just fighting other players.
What the fuck else are you going to do otherwise?? fight the 3 robot variants and 1 tick and 1 turret for 20 hours??? I keep writing this on these threads because it is the truth, people argue for PvE but the PvE is FUCKING GARBAGE AND PEOPLE ARE IN DENIAL ABOUT IT.
THE AI ENEMIES ARE BORING, FUCKING BORING, THEY SPENT 6 YEARS OR WHATEVER ASKING THEMSELVES HOW TO DESIGN 4 VARIANTS OF HUMANOID ROBOT THAT SHOOT YOU AND MAKE SPOOKY NOISES.
Why would anyone play this? I mean this unironically. The loot is TRASH WORTHLESS 90% of the fucking time, literally random generation or AI generated garbage that only serves to take up your time.
This game is literally pointless and shouldn't even exist, it would at least be more enjoyable if they turned it into an arena pvp shooter or smth like in the olden days of crucible
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>>558967250
I like how most of the robots and half the "Shells" are almost completely indistinguishable from one another making for really bad visual clarity at a glance. Really hurts when you can die in .3 seconds and before your brain has registered if its human or not you've been melted.
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>>558967418
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>>558967046
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How shooting feels. Do the guns have good feedback on hit? Does the recoil feel good? Are the guns distinct enough from each other? Do they sound good? Use your imagination. And no, I don't think the game has phenomenal gunplay or anything and neither did any of Bungie's previous games. I think Bungie cumeaters just haven't played anything outside of Halo and Destiny.
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>try to complete the second mission
>supposed to pick up key-cards in an infested area
>4+ turrets
>5+ spider nests
>each single bullet or hit from a spider is 30% of my hp/shield
>have MAYBE 50 ammo and 2-3 healing items that heal for 20% over 30 seconds
im having a BLAST!
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>watching streamers talk about the game
>they say not enough pvp and movement is too slow
I can see why it's so hard to make a pvp game. The majority casual audience and the hardcore players want two different games.
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>>558967440
What bothers me the most about the designs is that they could have gone completely beyond the human shape for this game and made both enemies and shells that look conpletely inhuman, but instead we get Destiny 2 character and enemies retextures with some bad color schemes on top and random shit like lines and occulus rift glasses and lights to not make it so obvious. Even the fucking guns are destiny 2 retextures as one of the anons in the previous thread mentioned, they re used animations and so on.
Honestly this game is done for and i am tired.
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Positively mid game. AI is smarter than anything in Destiny but still dumber than Halo 3 brutes. The (not) fusion pistol is goated and it can be fun sneaking around trying to complete your challenges without getting gangbanged by players or robots. Rooks are an instant kill on sight from my own experience of being a rat fuck. Only other shell I touched was Destroyer and I like his super speed. Best outlook for this game is indie game numbers with a niche community. Might get this on sale if Bungie survives being raped by Sony for not making a blockbuster and if the inevitable Pfhor enemies are interesting enough.
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The PvE is crap bro, obce you spend enough time with the game you will realize you can two shot most enemies with the knife including turrets and ticks. I can wipe out entire tick nests with knife only to not shoot my gun so i can stab people without giving my position away.
Same with moat things really, you can either run away, use things to hide behind and so on. You shouldn't even be engaging with the AI to be honest with you because its a waste of time and resources. There is literally zero reason to fight AI unless its one of the bosses that gets marked on the map
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The loop is really tiring when it’s some weird ass AI jpeg talking to you as a narrative reward for beating missions.
The analogy is like, coming home after a 10 hour shift and someone rings your doorbell trying to tell you about Jehova.
I don’t want to learn about Tau Ceti or anything after attempting a quest 5 runs in a row with brutal PvP and tense atmosphere.
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>>558968562
Unironically yes, the only good part of this game is the thrill of hunting down trios because they are the only truly dangerous enemy in this game. Fighting people is fun, fighting AI and looting 500 grey dildoes is fucking boring as hell
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I hate that the game got fitted into a genre mould.
>we’re making an extraction shooter
Couldn’t you have taken different elements from different games and come up with something new? Does a loot store really lend anything to the game itself?
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>>558968562
Top content creators say .8 seconds is the sweet spot.
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It is crap but I bet we can all name a game where the pve is less crap and going to keep getting better.
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>>558967786
People are coping about the game and have to come up with something positive. The movement is too slow, the TTK is too fast and the weapons are laser beams. It's probably just console tards happy that they can kill shit fast.
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I don't even know if I'm hitting shit half the time, or know if I even killed someone
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summary
>pvp only game
>1 second ttk
>lose everything on death, no safe pockets
>all quests have to be done in 1 run
>extremely limited ammo and healing
>all progression gets routinely wiped, no exception
I respect the balls to release someting like this in todays market, but you have to be delusional thinking this is not going to bomb
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>>558969076
That's the PvE raid that still has PvP enabled so you either have to clear the map of other players before actually doing the boss, or work together, and then just shoot them in the back after and make them quit the game after wasting time and resources to help you
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>>558969057
If this was a Destiny 6 month development expansion, I’d be impressed.
The fact that this is some 3-6 year development pet project is insane.
I don’t know how this got greenlit, I don’t know what Sony are thinking, or what Bungie was thinking during 8 months of play tests AND a 6 month delay.
I’m even starting to think Bungie made the antireal art stuff up, some weird ass excuse they wanted to delay the game to see Raiders’ market impact before releasing.
In their minds they would have thought it would look like “comeback story” in another 7 months.
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>That's the PvE raid
You know what i think brother? I think the map DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST, if it did they would let us play on it and actually HAVE FUN instead of giving us dogshit maps that literally appear to be made with AI and random generation or re-used from Destiny 2
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>greenlit
So the only thing I can imagine is that it didn't get greenlit and there was a totally different game underneath. But sony saw it and made them toss it all. there is simply not enough content here for anyone to justify shipping this, the maps should be twice as big and probably have vehicles and giant labyrinthine mazes.
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>>558969310
This is a big problem in the genre. You loot one POI, and the round is done.
Packs are full, maybe you hit one other team and got their stuff, so you leave.
There is no ramp up of stakes with extraction shooters; it’s a game of apprehension.
This is why the Battle Royales win out, because it’s a clear goal, you choose your start.
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>>558969649
Arc Raiders is simply a better game especially when it comes to map design and player interaction. Marathon never stood a chance. Embark should add a FPS mode to Arc and kill this game off for good.
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>All you can really do is run at people then bail out. If you don't live for pvp you have nothing, scavenging sucks.
Yup, i think this is probably the real reason why the game just devolved into people hunting down one another, because that is literally the only fun activity in this game, why the fuck would anyone scavange for 20 min just to get some random fucking garbage and a green gun???? Like for real, i am being serious when i ask this, who the fuck wants to do that????? Not to mention the risk of dying and losing your 20min and you didn't even get to have fun while doing your inventory UI simulator l33t gaming or whatever bullshit
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I have seen that like 20 times already, i just assumed it was the screen effects or something making me get spooked, i have blasted all my ammo into a room only to realize there was no one there, this in combination with assasin shells and the invisible robots make you go schizo
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I was a huge fan of the art and graphics before release.
Having played the maps now, the visuals are so garish.
I’m in a sewer tunnel, and it’s full orange. I’m in a tractor, and it’s all red and you can’t see shit.
And then you get out into the canyon, and it’s a canyon.
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Does anyone else here feel super sneaky playing this game? There’s this weird transhumanist cyberpunk dystopia theme and players hunting you and a MK Ultra Moth loading screens and losing all your shit and horror sci-fi music and lore where there’s some underlying cosmic horror watching you and these weird as fuck AI.
How is this sort of tone meant to sustain a daily game? If it’s a game being played every day, it needs some cool things or some humour this shit is like a horror movie non stop.
Like I’ve turned the game off, I don’t feel “fun”, I feel like something is watching me now.
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>>558970642
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I want to be honest, i think they are safe edgy
They aren't true existential horror, they are just "Safe", you know what i mean? It isn't truly edgy, it attempts to make it mystical and shit but its not, and i am sorry to say it this way but i think it is abundantly clear that the writers of this game are not up to par to the idea they want to convey.
the UESC entry in particular pissed me off. It's not written the way you would write about the space UN in universe. It has that annoying le hacker energy to it. Reminded me of cyberpunk but even more shit.
The entire writing, every single dialogue, every single piece of text feels that way to me, they even gave random bullshit junk names that make it sound like you are picking up antimatter when you are probably just picking up the wiped hard drive of some fucker that was on the Epstein island or something.
It has a very childish l33t energy but not real, like fake reddit energy of people that arent in the know
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so after 3 days everybody pretty much did everything there will be able to be done in the full game
>but we get to try pvp with epic implants and cores!
>we get 1(2) more maps! (totaling 3/4 maps)
>boring ass lore
>boring ass robot enemies which look all the same
>ahhh i must do a raid on this map which is already getting old and boring to gather more loot so.. i can run this boring map again!! bungie take my money!
LOL this game is a flop
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I seriously can't believe people are coping and saying shit like
>obviously people finished the demo so they aren't playing
not how games work at all, Arc Raiders has been consistently 200k-400k population, because its obviously constantly getting new players to replace the ones who quit, if you didn't know better you'd be like
>oh its just the same 200k people playing for 4 months
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>>558972112
The maps are actual dogshit man, its literally the same buildings copy pasted in random spots with annoying enemies plastered everywhere to annoy you as you try to get to the actually good parts of the game.
These maps could have been made by AI generation
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>>558968136
Bungie will bend over backwards to pander to them btw. The game will become increasingly hostile and unapproachable to everyone but sweats and streamers, who despise playing with each other. Thus they will also leave even after months of bungie catering to their every whim like an ovulating slut begging for cock. Game dies, all bungie employees flown to tokyo to commit mass sudoku in the town square.
I'm a fucking retard buying this game on a blind hope that the inevitable will surely not happen this time around
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Congratulations, you've discovered that extraction shooters are a meme genre. Common knowledge for at least a decade to everyone besides bungie apparently
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>>558972257
i am 26 man, back when i was a child we used that shit all the time, now it has fallen off but i hate that these cringe ass companies try to emulate that energy when it is extremely fucking obvious they are snoy drinking redditoids, these people could never possibly match our energy, they will never be like us, fuck them, fuck normies
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>Congratulations, you've discovered that extraction shooters are a meme genre. Common knowledge for at least a decade to everyone besides bungie apparently
why would they make their next game, THAT NEEDS TO SUCCEED, a sub-genre of a sub-genre
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It is hard though.
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I literally wiped a trio with purples on marsh yesterday with Rook using a fucking knife, pic rel
This is what they had on them.
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I posted about it in yesterday's thread but the gear in this game is unironically fake as fuck, you guys spend all this time collecting purple and blue shields and shit but all of that only matters if you are shooting people, the shields do almost fucking nothing unless you are on the max tier and even then i can kill you with 3 knife attacks.
Legit, stop using guns altogether because they are trash, they gave the enemy AI actual guns and gave us nerf guns
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Speaking of which
>Oh boy, two of the five maps require keys to get into them!
>After hours and hours of playing I finally find a key
Meanwhile, a Rook with a melee knife doing the floss has downed all remaining teams and is air thrusting slowly sneaking up on the player that just got their key
>Die
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>Rook can't take key because Rook isn't a real Shell
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>>558976001
Yeah, i was shitposting about it yesterday, its the rank 4 of arachne that gives that
Not gonna lie, i unironically think the shotgun would be a downgrade to the knife
>It makes a shit ton of noise
>You have to reload
>You can miss much more easily
It would only really be useful for killing the NPC bosses but beyond that its meh desu
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>>558976381
This is lightning in a bottle
We'll just matchmake you with 2 other randos... surely nothing can go wrong with this
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>>558976567
I think both of you have good points, they intended the faction upgrades to work as a permanent form of progression.
In my opinion that is retarded as fuck because
>Sweats that play 8 hours a day can just farm all day so the average player will always be getting farmed by sweats and in inferiority statwise
>If you jump late into a season you are starting in a much worse position than everyone else not only in gear but also stats
>You are now forced to keep playing this game to stay competitive
Its literally a goy hamster wheel with bungie screaming for the goys to jump in because it promises to be fun at some point after 400 hours or smth