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gem info is out edition
[PoE 1]
Mirage League launches on March 6th
>3.28 Patch Notes
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3913392
>Compiled links, tools and utilities
https://pastebin.com/SHt8unCt
[PoE 2]
>Druids
https://pathofexile2.com/druids
>Ongoing 0.4 patch notes
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2212
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I'm not a jingakh...
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So if T17s and their dogshit mods are gone what happens to T16.5 maps and their dogshit mods
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>Vaal Breach: cannot be obtained, and is temporarily disabled from being used for existing copies of the Gem. It will be re-enabled with new Breach effects and monsters in a future patch.
Translation: We have no clue how this shit works and have to pretend it doesn't exist for a while
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4 more sleepies
might do a practice run and see how good foulborn ghostwrithe eblade is, it seems quite powerful with 0 gear
just take that shit from my stash and cope that i will get it from the tree in 10 clicks
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Poe is a cheap Diablo clone. Thats definitely why I’m spending more money on blizzard quality products than on grinding gears. I only spend like a couple k on ggg, but I have bought somebody at blizzard their own luxury car by now, and will be buying him a woman to sit in it with him. Actually like everyone at blizzard is a female now, that’s probably why they don’t draw amazons with huge boobs like in Diablo, they draw stout brown powerful lead characters. It’s actually like really cringe dude what they did to blizzard. That company got the RuneScape treatment where they were mandated to turn every product gay and female positive to brainwash the cattle humans who were enjoying their monopoly on the franchise. I won’t even read Poe story because it’s probably just as brainwashy and trash. Men only want one thing and that’s tall amazons with huge boobs and no face on their character model because it’s too low pixel count.
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for me its life-stacking Energy Blade melee Scion
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>he is a jingakh
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>>559151349
Of course
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PoM bwos...
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>>559151373
Yeah it's pretty decent and SSF friendly because you can run it with all rares. Just need to figure out defenses if you want to keep playing it past 2 stones or whatever the equivalent of that is now.
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>>559151808
You can use it for extremely inconsistent lowlife builds instead of coruscating / ivory tower / shavs
>I need to excommunicate you or i'll die
>OH GOD I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT THIS TIME
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>>559152119
giga underrated item btw
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Why can't I find the gem that makes your banners apply corrupting fever on the new gems page
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>>559151952
The damage applies a full half second faster between the totem placement speed buff and the gem itself getting buffed. It will still be a totem build, but it's gonna be a lot better than it was, and the damage was always good once it got started.
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>4 days til league launch
>still no streamers to tell me how to make a bajillion dps build with this
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You guys are clueless. The fact that the minions use your weapon is NOT a good thing. For example, Dominating Blow's sentinel's base damage is 837-1255. Two handed Maelström staff with max phys rolls and q20% is 507-992. In fact, when doing the maths I think I cracked the algorithm.
Dom blow: (837+1255)/2*2.8=2928.8
Holy strike: (507+992)/2*3.92=2938.04
The multipliers are the attack damage multipliers of the skills. The differences are so small, less than 0.3%, that I don't think it's a coincidence. It is how it is. So the Holy stirke minions are essentially Dom blow minions with some tradeoffs.
With Dom you get more minions; with Holy you get 168% more dmg for the minions (essentially equating to 3*2.68=8.04, roughly eight dom blow minions).
With Dom you get the convenience of minions clearing for you; with Holy you likely get the attack speed inherited from the weapon, which is up to 30% faster than the attack speed of Dom blow minions.
Major issue with Holy strike is that it forces you to use a two-hander which Dom blow builds generally don't want to do.
Conclusion: Maybe it's decent, but saying the numbers are amazing is abjectly false.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK9moIDytgk&list=RDvK9moIDytgk&start_r adio=1
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>>559152890
Probably 1 default but we don't know yet
>>559153039
I don't think holy strike is good for it desu. You can only apply 1 stack at a time and holy strike will have 3 clones that hit and try to consume. You won't get 2 stacks up ever because the clones are going to consume them as fast as you apply and only 1 clone will benefit from it. Even if you use something with super fast attacks to apply it you only get 2 stacks so not all 3 holy strike clones will proc it
If you can get 3 stacks and apply 3 stacks on hit then holy strike might end up being super strong with it
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>>559152853
that guy is talking out of his ass, ggg didnt reveal much about the exceptional gems except for maven having the rarest and best one t. andrew
they drop from bosses, theres 40 of them and there are kind of a lot of bosses in the game but not that many ubers. maybe some will be uber drops but definitely not many
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>>559153017
>best gems come from shit layout maps like cells or invul bosses like basillica or laval lake.
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>>559153017
they literally confirmed in the reveal and the q&a they are from pinnacle content. uber elder drops the rain one, neglect drops frostmage, king in the mists drops toads etc.
its probably not from uber sirus but its definitely from an endgame boss not a map boss.
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>>559153017
its not map bosses, its specific mechanic bosses. the breach support is dropped by the breach bosses for example.
the idea was to give a little special something to every boss so even dogshit old content bosses have a reason for you to sit through their immunity phases
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>>559152767
Any minion/melee hybrid skill
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bro your destructive play?
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>>559153858
my bad, it was about astrolobes.
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>>559153297
Even just 2 stacks at once is fine given that you're already using Spiritual Aid to scale the damage anyway. +80% extra lightning is nuts. That node alone is good enough for damage on a Holy Strike build, and you can proceed to go all in on block and reservation for the rest of your ascendancy and just ignore the minioncancer.
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i'm relatively new to poe1, what tips would you give me to speedrun campaign on league start? i have a decent grip on endgame progression now but my campaign runs are so slow. phrecia was brutal because I don't know good leveling strats lol
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>>559154203
Just watch someone else do it and try to learn what tricks you can. If you know exactly when you get access to ideal gems and how to get the right links on your gear without screwing around too much, you can cut your time down fast.
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>>559154203
Efficient killing and knowing layouts is 99% of the speed for normal players. Dont stop for any mechanic except essences. Kill all blue packs ignore whites and rares unless you are more then 3 levels under a zones level.
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>>559152696
i played it with EB last league
i am unironically a meta trendsetter and better at poe than you
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>>559152767
Hollow Palm Dancing Dervish
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>>559153297
I don't think it's a problem. There's plenty of stuff. E.g. just put some supportive stuff to static strike and use it when you need it. Let's say it applies 2 stacks and you have also some spectres or golems to consume them. You also get 1-2 everytime you use holy strike. Should be pretty easy to keep it capped.
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>>559154585
> Kill all blue packs ignore whites and rares
this is interesting, can you elaborate on why? i can speedrun poo2 campaign pretty fast by basically only killing rares, why only blues? thanks for all the tips otherwise
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>Mirage
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>>559154927
It snapshots exerts for the duration the beams are active, and the beams can activate shockwave. Hitting things with the strike part is usually awkward because you don't build much attack speed, but then you get time to run and autobomb until you need to wind it up again 7 second later.
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if its on the weapon they should
>>559154789
nothing easier or cheaper than dex stacking templar
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>>559155087
Efficiency when you are low dps. If you can one or two tap a rare then rares are good to kill but if you cant then you should be ignoring.
Blue packs give good xp and still are one tapped for most builds.
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can ubisoft sue
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>>559154927
Regular Static Strike is mostly played by pseudo-autobombers with 300d+ to burn (Shockwave version) and masochists (non-Shockwave)
Nu-Static Strike is lightning Wild Strike that doesn't need the Combat Focus jewels
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>>559154952
the fact that its phys convert doesnt really matter if you arent actually stacking phys damage, which is what hh scales via phys as extra buffs
but yeah its fine, you still get some damage and aoe and a lot of defenses and some speed and hopefully not shroud walker
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I played normal Static Strike during Merc league and it was the clunkiest skill I've ever used. I fucking hated needing to refresh it like every 5 seconds.
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What ascendancy is better for SRS into Holy Relic of Conviction? Guardian or Necromancer? I played an SRS Guardian back in affliction and it was tanky as fuck and had pretty decent damage. But a lot has changed since then. If I want to be able to do all content (ubers, simulacrum etc), which would be better?
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>>559154098
If your goal is to max out the 80% gain as lightning and less so the minion/consume damage then I wouldn't use holy strike either but a skill that has naturally high hit rate and phys purity + other smaller minions to trigger
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>>559154952
Don't know how the question exactly relates to headhunter, but Smite is great. In Settlers SSF playing Smite, I lost to the top Lightning Strike player by only around three hours on ladder placing somewhere top 10. LS was subsequently nerfed, but Smite is as good as ever. My plan was just to get as much overlapping mechanics as possible (Abyss, Breach, Jun, Harbringer, Beyond), and clear everything with one Vaal Smite.
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I never have totem builds that being able to tank hits
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>>559156121
Because the loading is only for FULL MAP mirages, aka basically a second map. The normal mirages aren't going to have loading screen. The way the full map mirages work is they spawn when you kill the boss and then you enter there and do the map backwards, after you've already finished the first map
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wtf is this
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>>559156802
hmmm I see
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fuck
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but this is the worst of it
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>>559153445
maata's teaching gives 10% base crit to minions and is barely used,minion crit builds just aren't super popular to begin with. There's other ways to do it like ancient skull, play SRS of enormity (which straight up always crit all the time), the uber drop that shares all charges with minions, sniper's mark+precision+brittle ground boots, but but with that same gear slot and support gem and passive tree investment you can do more damage more easily just stacking poison or some shit. Instead of Assassin's Mark you could just use Sniper's Mark with some curse effect for straight up 50% more damage, etc
I played ancient skull lightning crit minions in mercenaries, you could literally just switch out the cyclone+cast while channeling links for holy strike and be fine
all the streamers who have never played a minion build getting baited by this shit is hilarious though, can't wait for the act 6 rerolls as they realize it's just melee absolution.
Being mace/staff only means you can't even do some of the Maata's Teaching crit setups that are already considered mediocre and unpopular.
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Holy Strike with explode Cane of Kulemak
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Is /vg/ the last remaining organic board on 4chan? I swear the second I post in any other thread on the other boards they immediately die and archive, as if I stumbled over and knocked down a fake cardboard cutout of a thread propped up by bots talking to each other.
I don't know what's real anymore. Maybe /poeg/ isn't real either. Maybe POE never existed at all.
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Holy Sweep General's Cry
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>>559157783
"a good two-hander" will end up having the same or less damage as the base damage of regular minion skills, and it has anti-synergy where the affixes and stats that make for a high DPS two-hand weapon make for a shitty minion build weapon since it won't have +minion levels or the benefits of dedicated minion buffing uniques. A good two handed weapon also means you can't use a shield, even if a warstaff can make up for that somewhat with block investment and staff masteries.
It's basically Holy Relic except instead of releasing an aoe when you attack its an animated weapon swing. The fact it's like base dominating blow and doesn't have inherent spiritual aid scaling also means your own damage won't even be equal to one of your minions, or you just give up on minion scaling and play a different strike entirely
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Here's a free tip. Please don't tell reddit. I don't mind the giving the knowledge cause I play SSF...
SAVE YOUR WRITHING JARS! The price will skyrocket!
(1) Screams of the Desiccated needs something to fill your flasks with
(2) Shotgun bosses with Holy Sweep by spawning worms at their feet
(3) Insane demand because every player will need 5
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>>559158602
>with crits in mind
using a 10% base crit weapon will not significantly change your dps, minion crit builds were already crit capping. At best it saves you an implicit on your boots no longer needing brittle ground.
the fact you're losing out on a +gem level weapon already means you'll do like 40% less damage, even +5% base crit isn't worth that.
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>>559158486
>does anyone even know that cremation exist nowadays?
I still end up using Arma Brand/Cremation on any caster Templar or Witch for leveling out of habit.
Also Cremation still gets some use from CWS faggots using that spell poison meme dagger that came out last league.
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>>559158895
I would be fine with them backporting Companions from poe2, where you have a default Companion limit of 1 and there's uniques or a keystone to increase it at a cost. Then they can also buff Golems and Reaper and make them count as companions.
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>>559158808
>its literally dom blow
>actually its crit minions
>actually building crit doesnt even make you do more damage
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>POE1 and 2 brings back Mercs but they're notable NPCs from the campaign instead of literal whos
>You can pick from the likes of Bestel, Alva, Divinia, Cassia, Helena, Tujen, Niko, etc
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The true boss of PoE is in fact,Gehenix at depth 6,000
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>>559159289
It's just a dogshit skill bro, Dom Blow can steal rares which makes them not even close, Holy Strike only barely sidegrades the basic bitch white mobs. It doesn't even come close to what Animate Weapon of Self Reflection can do, the less comparison to AW or AG the better, and worst of all you NEED to throw yourself into melee and name lock right click for them to do anything at all.
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>>559159458
>its just dogshit bro here look at my wrong math and obviously retarded reasoning please believe its bad it just is okay please
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>standard
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>>actually building crit doesnt even make you do more damage
It's not "building crit doesn't make you do more damage", it's "copying your weapon stats instead of having its own minion base damage is not a benefit, even when building crit."
you would rather have your mainhand and offhand slot free to use actual minion items instead of being forced to use a high dps mainhand while still losing out on like 40% to 50% damage from losing two equipment slots worth of gem level and buffs.
Endgame attack minion builds use something like pic related+Squire to 8-link their main minions' damage. Your warstaff is not providing more benefit than this which is basically a 9-link.
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>>559150170
>https://pastebin.com/SHt8unCt
Since we're all here. Are there any more tools / utilities that I should add? Otherwise I'm just going to punch in "updated 3.28" and call it until summer.
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Brofist to standard players
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retard
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>>559159770
either sell me a slutty belly dancer skin for animated guardians or make them count against a companion limit, I'm tired of that shit being mandatory when it's literally a low-budget invisible Templar model to the point it's even still left handed
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>>559158602
He's not me (who did the initial math). I admit my omission of the crit, but there's no easy math to do for something that concerns building your character and prioritizing passives. Just for a quick example, I picked a well performing Dom blow build that uses crit and doubled their base crit. Got +24.5% total dps. Pretty good, I admit, but not something that will totally shift the scales. Btw, Maata's teaching will be on the new Scion ascendancy, so we'll see if it becomes more popular now that it doesn't occupy a limb.
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>>559159553
the best SSF build will always be something that doesnt rely on trading for gems and works even with dogshit gear, which will always be Guardian (whcih is also the best Ruthless ascendancy, to the point it had to get ruthless exclusive nerfs and even then it's still the best) because even naked you are carried by elemental relic and sentinel of radiance until red maps
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>>559159903
>I picked a well performing Dom blow build that uses crit and doubled their base crit. Got +24.5% total dps.
the real test should be setting the minions' base crit to whatever the player's weapon is. A good minion weapon and a good high dps crit weapon are at opposing odds with each other
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>you can get gem levels and minion damage on staves bwo
it's a prefix competing with damage, which is the entire reason you're using a skill that copies your weapon.
this isn't poe2 where gem level is a suffix and therefore mandatory on every item ever
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>>559159993
Early game will be kinda stale since there's no borrowed power powercreep until you get a non-bricked 7L or some new meme exceptional gem.
But then there's definitely gonna be some busted Mirage farm to be abused that'll fly under the radar like double Evolution fractured rares Alva. Someone will definitely snitch on week 1 so hopefully there's more than one of those.
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Goratha is trying to bait me to play the new shock nova, i did base LA champion on his build excluding the abyss jewel stuff and it did get me lvl 100 im expecting this league you will need a tanky build i might go for it instead of mines
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this is also why one of the most popular builds for Animated Weapon of Self Reflection, the most directly comparable skill to Holy Strikes, uses Energy Blade or Ephemeral Edge since they can just stack energy shield for simultaneous offense and defense.
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/tehp-9054/tehp_AltTab? i
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Zitta-7813/Zitta_AndHe rGlowSticks?i
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>>559161460
I hate Energy Blade so much.
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Yes, anonkun. Different skills scale differently.
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>>559162354
w-what's wrong with storm burst totems
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>>559161403
>what's stopping you from doing that with holy strike?
the elder and shaper modifiers that make attack minion skills incredibly overpowered with squire are prefixes which compete with flat ele damage or % increased phys. You could do it with holy strikes but at that point copying your weapon will be an enormous downside, not a benefit.
That's the entire point being argued, the best weapons for minion builds do not make for good high dps attacking weapons because you only have 6 affixes available on weapons and only 3 of those are prefixes. If you want an 800 dps staff it can't also be a shaper/elder 9-link. Dominating Blow, Animated Guardian, Animated Weapon of Ranged Arms, Specters, etc. don't use your weapon like Animated Weapon of Self Reflection and now Holy Strikes do.
This axe has less than 250dps but is giving 50 million out of 100 million damage to a 6-linked AG. Holy Strikes cannot use weapons like this because it has to roll %increased phys and flat ele as prefixes to be better than a random white base off the ground. Elder and Shaper shit is a large part of why Squire is so expensive every league, besides the block and defensive benefits of a shield you also get to cheat with the 1h modifiers applying to a full 6-link.
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>>559162793
well and part of it is, if you're already playing Energy Blade and scaling minion damage......why are you playing Holy Strike and not Animated Weapon of Self Reflection, which doesn't lock you in place standing still to attack because your minions are cosmetic decorations without you swinging?
all I'm saying is, there's a reason GGG made this the new level 1 starting gem that Templar spawns on the beach with, and it's not because they wanted new players to feel what it's like to be overpowered right from twilight strand....
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i dont get it
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>>559163309
Im scared is the thread ai? Why were discussing something that was impossible
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2/5000
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why do we have 300 posts in 3 hours for a skip league?
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>>559163426
the best skill in terms of mechanics for holy strikes is Animated Weapon of Self Reflection, which doesn't have the no-swords restriction holy strikes does and which is most commonly played with energy shield or ephemeral edge (which is just energy shield as a unique)
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My point still stands
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lances energy blade build, this dude has 4 builds in one until you get to the build hes showcasing lmfao
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mirage and blobs add a mod each map you finish
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>>559163891
It adds a mana cost to the skill equal to a % of reserved mana. If the skill only costs life by default it now has an added mana cost. The way you do it is run EB with it and reserve all of your mana. So you can be mana man with actual auras. But I don't think that's gonna be worth losing out on MoM with the fuck huge mana pool
Youl could go reserved mana = armor route, don't reserve 100% and don't use EB and use like aegis or something to help not insta die but I think ti's gonna be mostly bait support
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>>559163891
sure but the damage you get is based off the absolute value of mana reserved, so you want as much mana as possible to do damage which is at odds with life cost builds which usually ignore mana entirely if they're not getting rid of it with blood magic.
You want as high a mana pool as you can get and then you want to reserve as close to 100% of it as you can get away with while your skills are still castable.
Stacking as much mana as possible and then using Lifetap might work, but because it gains a BASE mana cost equal to 5% of reserved mana you will probably just fucking kill yourself spamming this with life costs. Lifetap is a 300% cost and reservation multiplier on its own, once you add on a full 6-link you're gonna fall over dead trying to use this shit.
They kind of pre-emptively NO FUN ALLOWED this shit by making it unable to work with brands, totems, mines, traps, and minions. You gotta rawdog hardcast this shit
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looking at this further, are there any spell skills that last for a long time and have very high effectiveness of added damage, but aren't casted more than once in a while? like whats the spell equivalent to rage vortex of berserking?
maybe you could do it with Corrupting Fever?
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just cause you're bad doesn't mean you can't play selfcast reap. Just don't pick an ascendancy that's shit so you can reroll later if you need
just avoid shadow and possibly marauder and you'll be fine
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Look, I’m not some AI-generated script; I’m a human who actually understands that Path of Exile is basically a spreadsheet disguised as a power fantasy. To prove it, let’s talk about the new influence mechanic: the real skill expression isn't in the combat, but in deciding when to split the influenced areas. You’ve got this constant tug-of-war where splitting the zone multiple times lets you speed-run completion rewards, while refusing to split allows you to stack map juice for maximum loot density. In the early game, raw completion rewards clearly beat out the "juicing" meta, so I’ve actually developed an algorithm to find the mathematically optimal split path to finish the zone in the fewest maps possible. Check out this heatmap—it highlights exactly which maps are statistically "skippable" via splitting (assuming they are in the influenced area), allowing you to ignore the filler and get straight to the payout like a real person who values their time. Note that the Atlas is subject to change.
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I was just being facetious, thanks for the (you). But seriously, I think the early game meta (and later for influences you don't care about) to just rush them by splitting. The algorithm and the pic I really did myself, but had to do a lot of assumptions and the atlas will change 100%, so it's not much value at the moment. Still the key takeaway is that if there's a map you hate in a crowded intersection, there's a very small chance you can get rid of it by splitting.
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Don't worry about the glowies and don't overthink the AI thing. There's some psyops going on lol
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are you a member of empys group
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The only form of item crafting that should exist should be forms of 'chaos/reforge' (ie Harvest, essences etc.) and suf/prefixes can not be changed slamming. The power level of monsters and bosses is decreased to accomodate the decreased player power level.
Change my mind.
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Yoooooo what shld I use my larzuk on boys in single player? I was thinking arreats helm so I can pop a Cham rune in that bitches open socket (if you feel what I’m laying down). And the other two will probably go to rare ethereal phase blades which rival the strength of my two breath of the dying sword runewords (soon tm). Thoughts? I also do have a soj already so I have 4 socket options.
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>>559166519
you are going to play the league asumming assumptions and you are supposed to write a phd thesis
we are also in australians/nz hours are you one? and you say you are an expert but missed the weapon tag
Too many red flags could totally be ggg dev tho
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Some meme Lance Int stacker will use that in some mana slurping Bladefall of Trarthus build with these gloves andturn the added cold damage to lightning lol
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my faith is wavering on holy strike.........i might just play some archmage shit instead.................
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G-Face > Arreat's. Regardless you can make a Holy Fire Paladin and do the socket quests on Normal and Nightmare in less than an hour. How the fuck are you going to get two Zod runes on SP let alone a Cham rune? You're better off making Death in Colossus Sword and Grief in a PB.
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I think I'm 100% committed to playing duelist this league, since even if I fuck up and pick a horrible build you can respec to a dozen different others with 90% of the tree intact just pathing to life, block, and jewel sockets on the bottom left+left hand side of the tree.
question is which do I leaguestart as
>cast when stunned gladiator because 99% block wasn't changed, they just nerfed bloodnotch and added an unblockable ultimatum modifier
>corrupting fever phys dot, either spin2win cyclone or boring kinetic blast version until new banner support
>herald of agony with ball lightning and splitting steel to stack virulence to 99
>animate guardian of smiting cheerleader aurabot larp since it got buffed by like 38% more damage when it was already good
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why would you care
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>I've been targeted with some heinous shit.
me too every night i hear a sound of something that sounds like a washing machine but i can only hear when im in bed. Im scared
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nice try, mark. also,
>blunderbore
>gull
>cerberus limb
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>fourth vow
brutus' lead sprinkler
>kaom's binding (full effect. imagine the STRENGTH)
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>queen of the forest
>elevore
>white wind
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>dawnbreaker
>shadows and dust
>seven league-step
game design is fun! that'll be $20
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all the 20iq streamers who've never touched minions once in their life hyping it up as OMG 3000% DAMAGE EFFECTIVENESS! are going to leave thousands heartbroken when they load in to twilight strand and realize it's literally just melee holy relic.
thankfully since templar literally spawns with this shit to fight hillock the realization will be painful but brief, you don't have to be halfway to maps before trying it and realizing it sucks.
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>it's literally just a strike skill
and discounting Flicker Strike (which is a kamikaze travel skill anime TELEPORTS BEHIND U skill as much as it a strike) there's a reason nobody plays Strikes even when they're mechanically powerful, the gameplay is pure ass and you're constantly standing in place to do damage with a small AoE
more people played 6-linked main skill damaging specters and Cast While Stunned detonate dead than viper strike of the mamba and molten strike of the zenith last league, the two undisputed best strike skills in the game.
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No one said anything. Have a good league fellas
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Fixed a bug where the Reservation Multiplier from Arrogance Support was not applying to Warcries supported by Autoexertion.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3913392
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Im not going to get baited Im not going to get baited Im not going to GET BAITED
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>>559167802
since your own damage is such a negligible part of it and it lacks dom blow/absolution giving 300% self damage from increased minion damage, the best comparison is probably Holy Relic of Conviction.
your own strikes and attacks will be doing like 1% of damage, the only reason you're swinging is to trigger the 3 minions to attack since their attacks only happen when you hit.
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>>559168065
If this were 3.13 I would be telling /poeg/ to play CoC Assassin w/ Ice Nova. Unfortunatley the gear needs old school harvest crafting to finalize those boots and gloves. This didn't even account for all the ailment immunities. YOu woul aslo have to trade your belt slot for a Shaper influenced belt with CDR over a headhunter or mageblood. Better to play some -stacker build.
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>1st char, lvl 92, 40 rooms temple full of random rooms put together on a whim
40 divs per run mostly in vaal currency
>2nd char, lvl 94, atziri farm temple
made 10k divs mostly selling the atziri chest
>3rd char, try the fubcel temple, casual version, lvl 98 (ninety-eight) only 22 rooms temple due to lack of spymasters
0-1 divs per run if i'm lucky
It's like I'm living in a nightmare where everyone is retarded. Making a streamtard temple is simply the worst decision one could make, yet that's what every double digits IQ moron is doing.
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you're not going to be able to trigger it enough times to be remotely worth it. the skill is balanced around people using Lancing Steel with Returning Projectiles to trigger it hundreds of times rapidly, like 95% of builds playing it are poison necros
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>people are seriously considering KF totems
>due to palstron
>not understanding that he plays the game for a living and plays 18 hours the first day and 16 the second and then transitions into a better build
It's going to be glorious
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It's kinda slept on since you can get Shrapnel Specialist FF's for cheap now since people don't play Trickster LS anymore and jack up the price. You can also get 96% attack/cast speed from two mokou's embrace rings which seems pretty nice for something like Poison Spark.
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I've played poe1 for 15 years, probably started before you were born, but not anymore. Poe2 is simply and already the better game. That's just a fact. Grow up.
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it has lower base damage and effectiveness of added damage than fucking Frost Blades with zero AoE. You will not be playing this as a strike skill, it's a minion skill triggered on-hit where you'll ignore your own damage entirely (maybe taking Spiritual Aid as cope, but without the 168% more multiplier your own damage will still be horrible), you'll just stack attack speed and minion damage.
Saying that it's a strike skill is like saying a spectre build using Cyclone+Cast While Channeling+Desecrate+Spirit Offering counts as playing a melee build even though their cyclone does 50k damage while their minions do 100 million. Don't kid yourself.
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Pretty much.
Escape Artist/Soul Drinker lays the groundwork for such a strong defensive set up that you can spend just about everything else on damage.
But hey, with all the int stacking nerfs and action speed immunity not being as required for end game anymore, maybe you can cook something with assassin. Have fun, king.
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not an argument
it has significantly lower damage than even baseline dominating blow. go open a pob for dom blow and see how much dps you do vs your minions.
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Razleraz-1044/RankOneW alker?i
pic related is WITH spiritual aid clicked to let minion damage increase your own, I changed it in the guy's POB because he's not a fucking retard like you are and had those 2 points in %life instead which actually does something, instead of making your personal dps go from 4k to 17k when each of your dozen sentinels is hitting for 400k before even taking into account rare and magic modifiers
Go ahead, get to level 100 with holy strikes and prove everyone wrong how it's totally not a minion skill even though it has lower damage than even dominating blow
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to your mind, does dominating blow "play like a strike skill" just because it has the Strike tag?
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i will be leaguestarting CWS since my version of it was untouched
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yes
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/pe6oto123-7101/DommyMo mmyBlow?i
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You WILL be starting Ruthless this league. Right, anon?
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is hoag still viable? is it fast enough to clear screens these days?
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It's the only way to enjoy trade league. Softcore is dominated by bots, chink farms, rmters and groupfags. In Ruthless, everything is semi valuable as loot is scarce. Take the Ruthless pill
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So… the more i look at holy strike the more it looks like ass? Even with the biggest assumed damage effectiveness of 35,4 i just dont see how this scales effectively into endgame. Is cluster jewels the only way to do it?
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>>559170492
still good and uses a bunch of cheap uniques that nobody else wants like cold iron point and lioneyes vision and circle of nostalgia that are all like 1c.
go gladiator with the triple lucky shield. this guy did 1k depth delve and all ubers with it in keepers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKibbLbEpWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUnqL3QQgU
most expensive part is the Pure Agony medium clusters, but by "most expensive" they're literally 30c even in standard right now with its hyperinflated costs (even cheaper if you go for megalomaniacs), on league start you can get them dirt cheap. one divine will get you like 4 million dps easy.
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if you were using bloodnotch the nerf to that makes you slightly less immortal, the main targeted nerf though was to fuck over grueling gauntlet setups since now there's unblockable enemies as a possible roll. if you didnt do ultimatum or did but chose mods yourself the build is basically untouched though
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the biggest problem isn't the sustain that bloodnotch would give since you're playing glad it was lightning dots
it is an ultimatum build but it shouldn't be too bad with the 1 extra node, especially since mirage adds more nodes too - more importantly chieftain CWS got nerfed so i should have less competition
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the point hes trying to make is that its irrelevant where the damage is coming from because that doesnt factor at all in to the fact that you are swinging to deal damage, even if its technically coming from another source
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the vast majority of all endgame builds at this point just path to as many jewel sockets as possible because clusters and uniques are so ridiculously efficient.
the #1 change to improve build diversity would be making it so cluster jewels cannot be sockered into other clusters (then you can buff small and medium clusters as compensation since they now compete with large) but I'm pretty sure the playerbase would fucking riot if that happened.
looking at a build and seeing it runs 3x Voices for 9x medium clusters and then a bunch of unique jewels like Red Dream, Stormshroud, Watcher's Eye is so eyerolling
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>the fact that you are swinging to deal damage, even if its technically coming from another source
and yet he threw a tantrum when the skill was compared to holy relic of conviction which has the exact same playstyle. So no, that's not the point he's trying to make
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Nah, clusters arent lame, i dont think most people think clusters are lame
They're like a really nice part of the progression, once you go from baby to big boy in red maps and start adding those into your passive tree and things start to really feel like they open up
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which is also a skill that requires you stand still hitting enemies over and over to trigger your minion to attack and deal damage. If you want an idea of what Holy Strikes gameplay will be like go practice playing holy relic, it's the same shit.
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>RF not nerfed
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SSoGS has antisynergy with warcries as you want to attack quickly. Hinekora pops aren't a huge boon for a skill that's gonna clear well.
There are worse ascendancies to pick but you're not playing to any of its strengths.
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>holy strikes
>stand still using a melee skill to attack over and over again, doing 0.1% of damage while triggering a minion to attack and do 99.9% of your build's damage
>holy relic
>stand skill using a melee skill to attack over and over again, doing 0.1% of damage while triggering a minion to attack and do 99.9% of your build's damage
the actual gameplay is literally identical. both skills require the player standing still doing a bunch of Hits that do zero damage to make a minion trigger and do your actual damage. both skills will also feel like complete shit to play for the same reason.
the absolute worst part of holy strikes is also that you can't scale up the pathetic strike aoe with Tribal Fury or Slayer since increases to player aoe don't impact minion attacks, and getting enormous increases to minion aoe is a lot harder than doing it for player attack skills
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>isn't because one skill is ranged
if lightning strike is """"melee"""" then lancing steel of splitting is """""ranged"""".
also you need to be in melee when using it to begin with because the holy relic's AoE is centerd on your character model, you literally can't use lancing steel as a ranged attack or your build doesn't function. the builds that play hroc are all poison witches humping the monster's ass with withering touch and lifegain on hit
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The only saving grace from holy strike seems to be that their attack speed is separate from yours. You still have to attack to get them to start attacking, but going by the reveal vid footage, once you move, they teleport next to you and start floating until you attack again, so unless you're stationary they will never continue attacking
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I keep telling myself I wanna try SSF one day but I never end up doing it. I think the main reason is just that it seems like a huge pain in the ass to have to swap to different farms consistently to try to get what you need. I think a lot of people find that fun, but for me I love finding a comfy and fun farming strat and then doing that to trade for my shit.
Honestly, what I really should try to do is some kind of challenge run where I actually just start a character and instead of having an idea of what I want to do, just actually let the drops decide it.
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All these nodes with zero options. Thats one of the reasons why I hate Poe, there’s like zero variety or flavor just over complicated, huge screens with like a thousand things but when you really zoom in on the stats you have two choices and one is clearly better than the other.
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>Wave your wand to create multiple hovering kinetic projectiles. After a short duration, the projectiles explode, dealing area damage
Is there any way to make the projectiles do anythign than straight up explode? Can we make them chain first or fork or anything at all or is this doomed to always be a melee skill?
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that one looks broken as fuck
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but the reqs
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I forgot that original sin in poe1 is literally worth a fucking mirror lmao I'm so used to it being a 1ex item from poo2, literally bought one for around that much in 0.4 when playing witchhunter. definitely not gonna fucking bother looking at it for leaguestart this time...
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attribute requirements are super annoying in both poe1 and poe2, ostentation is so beloved for the same reason astramentis was in 0.1 poo2.
when shit like blunderbore exists it's not really a surprise people immediately jump to circumventing it entirely.
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>Yeah i follow captain lance builds, how could you tell?
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it's good for the rare few jewels who gain more benefit from quality than levels. there's some where quality is straight up a % more damage multiplier. holy relic of conviction gets 1:1 cooldown reduction with quality so builds want to stack as much as possible since 100% cdr is 0.3 to 0.15 cooldown, basically every quality is 1% more damage
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>>559173352
I'm currently traveling for work and I'll be in Texas till the 10th. However, I got my laptop and it can play PoE at like 100 FPS so I'll be blasting all weekend in my hotel room.
>Tfw literally had to order a laptop cooling pad off of Amazon day 1 of being here because my laptop was overheating playing fucking Mewgenics
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>>559173352
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>>559173435
The most obvious use is to link it with 3 purity auras. Lvl 21 gem, Eclipse support, and +1 all gem levels from your amulet will get you to the lvl 23 breakpoint for 5% max resistances, with a 94% reservation multiplier on top.
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>>559173686
it's purely a campaign qol buff where most people already know holy flame totem is comfy, it just falls off hard in maps.
the more proj doesnt increase its damage at all, the skill isn't capable of shotgunning. Still gonna use it with phantasm support for easy campaign though. if you use lycia bloodline you can use it for easy consecrated ground lategame but thats like it.
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>>559174280
it's for grinding ultimatum and ritual other "stand in a circle while a million mobs try to kill you" mechanics. it sucks for new breach and heist and sanctum and shit. not very good for bossing either since many bosses have infrequent attack uptime.
you use a ring that makes stun threshold based off energy shield insetad of life, and then remove all energy shield so you always get stunned on every hit to proc like six spells every single hit and nuke everything around you.
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I have some difficult to swallow pills, starting with the most important
>foulborn ghostwrithe is firmly in the process of doing enormous damage to the game
>autoexertion slam builds are still amazing
>the best caster builds use mines
>people who build ztank are gonna be in for a very rude awakening unless they skip juice
>gladiator with bloodlines is the new necrotic trickster and somehow there's total silence about this
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not at 30% or whatever the nerfed number is, you're gonna need to mix it. I think this has already been figured out, check the emiracle sheets or something.
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there's a good angle for almost any of them
>Aul for immunities
>Nameless for 3rd ring, especially with new belt, or some weird lifestack
>Ultimatum if using perma vaal skills
>schizo for valdos
>farrul for general dps
>ward for nightgrip builds (glad is the best ward class in the game really)
none of it is that hot early (other than maybe breach for like a smite build) but early you just play like a normal gladiator focused on bleed and pops, and then you respec into some lategame archetype that leverages a bloodline later.
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>Bloodnotch Crimson Jewel
>(20-30)% of Damage taken from Stunning Hits is Recovered as Life
>Immutable Force Crimson Jewel
>(500-1000)% increased Stun and Block Recovery
Pair this with defiance of destiny amulet and you can afk farm 13 wave ultimatums.
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>what bloodline would you even use on glad
lycia for profane ground and chaotic might
farrul's for spectral tigers and action speed immunity
ward memes with olroth
action speed from auls (now that t17s are gone I dont see a reason to use this over farrul's, the only thing that kills a perfect guardian turtle is t17 aids)
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>>559175714
you can use a 1k dps weapon and the dominating blow self damage will barely change, absolutely none of the build's scaling applies to your selfish damage......and holy strikes will be exactly the same because it doesn't have the mechanic absolution of inspiring and dominating blow of inspiring have where you get 300% benefit from minion damage yourself
open up that linked POB and give yourself a 1k dps weapon with 20% base crit and see how little it changes.
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You dont need.... just enter open chests and leave
You can chain normal breaches for juice in Eagon maps (if they not fix it)
or just fast run normal maps
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>>559178262
no one's forcing you to play retal on glad, you can play literally anything that works with a onehander and you can pick a bloodline ascendancy to reinforce your choice with mechanics not available on raw glad.
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>>559176480
>he doesn't want the megaloot explosions from enraged hive with nemeses scarabs and wisp/divinity
NGMI
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>cws ultimatum
who's gonna tell him?
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My pre-leaguestart delusions have reached the point where I'm seriously considering using Fanaticism on myDivine BlastInquisitor.With reduced duration stacking you might as well use Lightning Warp to move around
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>10 maps per hour builds
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>>559174031
about that...
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/poegg/
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>>559180428
We're not worried about maps, Exile.
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>>559181031
same as mathil
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>he doesn't know one of those small-time youtubers with less than 3k subscriber who doesn't chase clout and genuinely can make good builds
every league im being spoonfed S+ tier builds that don't appear in any shitty tierlist made by those elites and so gear is also cheap as fuck
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IT'S UP LETS GOOOOOO!!!111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKeteLwVouA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKeteLwVouA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKeteLwVouA
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>>559177182
>you do no damage, you kill no bosses
the cast when stunned build using that shield was so much damage and so strong it got target nerfed by GGG with the bloodnotch nerf and a new ultimatum mod that ignores block, because people were afking 13 round grueling gauntlets.
glad and the shield were untouched by nerfs so you can still play CWS just not in grueling gauntlet, or go bleed retaliation, or bleed slams, or herald of agony, or anything honestly since its a 4-point ascendancy and then you just take a bloodline
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>>559177412
block is the strongest defensive layer in the game in both poo1 and poo2 and because GGG are bad at math they constantly under-estimate the impact of Lucky as a mechanic (see also Lucky Lightning being 5x stronger than anything else in poo2 for a fucking year now)
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divine retribution + life stacking + glad + rathpit
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>>559177412
Block is nuts. Bleed pops and aggravated bleeds are good as well. Attrition is a meme node and weapon master is kind of meh but having so much block helps you become nearly unkillable.
The retaliation node partially removes the downside of playing retaliation skills, and they do crazy damage.
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>>559181678
the troon plays SSF only so any builds that can be done in white and blue gear are a lot better
still a dumb ranking to put RF first since the true poverty SSS-tier build is and always will be Guardian minions. Literally so gear-independent it got target nerfed for Ruthless.
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Top 3 /poeg/ delusions
>you should play obscure builds so your gear is cheap
This is 98% retarded and only true for forbidden flesh/slame jewels and sublime visions, which you're either getting anyway no matter how much they cost (if you're a high-performer), or you weren't going to get to begin with even if they were 40% cheaper (if you're a low-performer). It makes me laugh when I see a build get some attention and people immediately go XOMG NOW I WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE GEAR, as if you were going to make 12-link claws with that mindset anyway.
>Mirage will have lower build reqs than Keepers so you can play glass cannons all the way and do all competitive farms
dangerous delusion as wishes will make maps way more dangerous and the new juicing system will also drive up difficulty.
>Holy Strike is good
numerically it is, but you're playing a wackier heavy strike with even worse clear (because your holy armaments won't strike multiple targets)
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>40% cheaper (if you're a low-performer)
cheap ones are like 400% cheaper not 40%
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The truly good ones will always be expensive no matter what because the supply is low and demand is high even if just 200 players playing the build. All the ones that are cheap are cheap because they're not important enough. You can find a few exceptions to what I said on Scion, because scion can just be flexible with them.
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I wouldn't qualify that as gigantic for POE terms and that animation could just be your own attack. You're gonna have some AoE scaling options, but you already have AoE scaling options for Heavy Strike and it's still Heavy Strike.
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>>559182585
medium clusters with a notable you need are absolutely impacted enormously by popularity.
if fubgun started playing my build they'd go from 2c to 2 div each and it wants like six of them. there's so many builds with build-enabling clusters that can be played for under a divine because there's not a popular streamer or youtuber drawing attention to them.
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/List_of_cluster_jewel_notable_passive_ski lls
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Jungroan said theres nothing Ben is better at then Fubgun, let's discuss this
>It cant be denied endgame farming is far more competitive than speedrunning campaigns and 4 stones and gauntlets.
>Ben however has dominated so hard for so long that it does make you raise an eyebrow even if his competition pool is much much smaller
>Fubgun has several days where he's farmed multiple mirrors in that day, he always gets headhunter by day in both games, all while playing solo. Every league he ends up with 20+ mirror worth of items
>Its harder to determine who is the best endgame farmer, especially because its not a race type thing, and most peoples wealth isnt public knowledge unless you're a streamer
>Fubgun has never attempted speedrunning seriously, and Ben has never attempted endgame farming seriously, so its hard to compare the two, if they took the other aspect of the game seriously
What do we think, /poeg/? Who is the better player?
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>>559182923
so are most on-meta uniques, especially non-foulborn. this is just poorfag cope
>n-no I prefer Doedre's Elixir to Progenesis hehe it's actually really undervalued
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>Its gigantic compared to any pre-investment into strike targets strike skill that isnt lightning strike
you're negotiating, and there's no point to that, the aoe+melee strike range number is what it is. if that's what "gigantic" means to you, you should play attack skills more.
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>if fubgun started playing my build they'd go from 2c to 2 div each and it wants like six of them
they wouldn't cost 2c if there was any difficulty in sourcing them.
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>>559183495
Jung is just salty that he lost to Ben in the Merc gauntlet. Ben can sit there for hours and answer almost every question from his chat while mapping in SSFHC. His knowledge of the game plus mechanical skill mogs Fub and it's not even close.
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>>559183495
>MY eceleb is better than YOUR eceleb!
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>they wouldn't cost 2c if there was any difficulty in sourcing them.
this is a retarded thing to say that fundamentally misunderstands basic economics of supply and demand.
The difficulty of sourcing Ephemeral Edge, Essentia Sanguis and Headhunter is the same, they're all t0 uniques with the same miniscule drop rate. Yet EE and ES are many times cheaper every league than a mageblood because they have much narrower use cases.
Whatever fubgun is playing has enormous demand placed on it, and there is not a corresponding increase in supply. I get rich every single league in poe2 just crafting shittier versions of whatever gear he's currently wearing and it sells instantly
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>>559180435
I went the ivory tower CoC route last year. Very strong, but there is a little clunk swapping to it in maps. Day 1 the mandatory timeless jewel was 1 div, and rathpith always starts expensive. Then, you know you gotta do the whole CoC thing with cdr, attack speed, and accuracy.
All that said, when you do get a working version going, it is strong and comfy.