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Thread for the discussion of Honkai Impact 3rd
READ THIS BEFORE ASKING ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S MOST LIKELY HERE
https://rentry.org/vffr2
https://rentry.org/hi3newbieguide
https://rentry.org/hi3newbieresources
https://rentry.org/hi3resources
https://rentry.org/ElfSkillUpgrades
>Story guide for newcomers
https://hoyostans.be/explore/honkai-impact-3rd/consumers-guide-hi3
>Shattered Swords VN
https://youtube.com/channel/UCyeHz1CGgJkXJd-c7lw_RiQ
>Latest CN supply, event, abyss, and MA cycles:
https://marisaimpact.com/calendar85
>v8.7 Passage to New Dawns Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nSjq8rQAPo
>Raiden Mei's New S-rank Battlesuit Xentinel · Dawnbearing Crescent Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn2XCpAl3pc
>Xentinel · Dawnbearing Crescent Tutorial Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2yk1sy78tc
> Every Valkyrie, Every World, All at Once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR0sKwLqexU
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Seele!
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Seele!
And "Seele"!
Cuteeles!
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Helia
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The trio
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>>562764353
Know any better platforms for finding Hi3 related art?
I'd be happy to know
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>he doesn't know better sites to get art than twitter
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Off to a great start
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Coralie, don't look!
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Looks like a scam.
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Best girl Mei's birthday in 8 days!
Gonna be a sad day for cuckshitlysia and cuck hua trannies thoughbeit
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>game mei hi3
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yes guilty through association
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the playable Wendy
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While part 2 keeps placating to the anti otaku and anti fanservice genshin crowd, Neptunia is becoming Honkai 3rd but better. Why are (you) still playing this game?
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No but they have the Bronya.
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>pedorisa, anti p2, cuckshitlysia, cuck hua raid again
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>angry elysiafags genshin
>cope kevin amphoreus
>tourists thinks less
>mei elysia bad characters
Wise advice, tourists gravitate to the worst. It's like how in a recent Russian HI3 poll, Kebin won, no doubt due to influence from HSR skewing it even when HSR Kebin is even worse written.
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Please play the game. Nothing you've ever written suggests you've ever done that. Worse, you always fail to recognize scenes from the game everyone else posts.
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NOOOO NOT THE FEET THESE ARE ANTI FANSERVICE NOOOOOO
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All this time, the elysiafag could've installed HI3 by now. All this time, he could've stopped lying that elysia didn't poison other characters and that being poisoned by elysia is a bad you can't dismiss much like an ill person is ill regardless of how they got their disease. But he didn't. He chooses to take twitter pictures and pretend his post times don't give his self replies away.
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Remember to stay hydrated.
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Cinematically, the swap between animation styles worked very well and it's very thematically fit as a past -> present transition. Too bad Mei doesn't even show up so it's like a torch gets dropped rather than anyone being passed to.
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The Golden Courtyard event before the Vampire Survivors rehashed EE yet again and ironically, it just shows Mei to be useless because it managed to do it wholesale without Mei being relevant. It shits on Mei by depicting an alternative version without her that's no different. It cements her as pointless in the original.
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I think it's 'fine', it's well made and all, butpersonally, it didn't leave much of an impact for me when it's just 'oops all elysia'. The rest of the FCs appear, but they basically only serve as cheerleaders while Ely solos the HoC, which was kind of a letdown. Also like the other guy said Mei doesn't have any presence either, I guess they really wanted Ely to blow up the simulation, but it would've been really easy to just write it so that Mei gets kicked out since she's an outsider, or make some other excuse to keep her alive.My annoyances with it also broadly apply to ER/EE as well funnily enough
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>exercised
>showered
>went to buy groceries
>ate borgor and fried chicken
>come home
>showered
>prays namaz
>ate dinner
>opens thread
>raid break
>closes thread
>(I'm here)
>eats dessert
>abyss time
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>sleep time
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Why did (You) kill this?
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Seele!
And Kiana-chan!
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this is raw artistic talent
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Mei's love language is domestic violence
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Judging by how I feel towards Kianners it's safe to assume she attracts dominant obsessive and possessive people towards herself being the natural sub she is. She pretends to take the lead but melts immediately when it's reciprocated. She's the one who gets wedded, bedded, and impregnated.
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>deleted post over a typo
based schizo
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Cock! Cock! Cock!
I LOVE Cock!
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Kiana would never.
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But I'm mentally ill
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I gochu, br-
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Rebirtheele!
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>I WILL be using White Comet
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Seele, yes!
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Do you know about the Homu statue lifting the hays? I got stuck in taht puzzle too. Iirc I got stuck there because I was trying to solve the puzzle in one go. But you can just solve it by splitting the area into two and solving each side one at a time.
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I didn't know, I'll try that
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Yeah, I have the bear
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>Mei is the tallet(iirc)
>APHO Mei is even taller(And bigger) than regular Mei
Muh dick
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These women are mine
I have already claimed them and this cannot change
You would have to fight me
And I always bring guns to a knife fight
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Do /hig/gers really?
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Page Seele!
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Penis inspection time!
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We need a baby Kiana to complete the main trio.
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She's with the other daughter!
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wtf
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>Bita plays with her Bitas
lewd!
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>Senti: "Seele" and me aren't THAT close!
"Seele" and her are THAT close!
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In a sudden twist, it is revealed that she's into Kira. No woman is safe.
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How does she do it?
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/hig/.....LIVE
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Melteele!
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!eleeS
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Bologna is so lucky to be Seele's good little Omega
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Nyo!
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Her traditional weapon is neither a sword nor a spear, but a fish.
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Seele ate cake to save the thread...
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She's so cool...
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They gave Mei specifics to Seele and hers to Mei. Seele should have been Mech Phy if not QUA and Mei should've been SD Lightening.
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what the absolute fuckeele
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Cuteele!
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Happeele!
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Sena 2 soonalso std lightning
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[citation needed]
I do believe it, though, I just need more info.
YY being Lightning WS always meant that Part2eele would be as well. The type, yeah I don't know, there have been so many SD in P2 already.
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I've tried open world gachas and found them to be too bloated, and I tried simpler games like Arknights and Blue Archive and found them too basic. Right now, I'm between this or Punishing: Gray Raven, they seem to have the good parts of the open world games without the bloat.
So, which one should I try first, Punishing: Gray Raven or Honkai Impact 3?
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Honk is best in 3D spaces, but not an open world. Even genuine advice is always biased if you visit a game's general. The actual opinion of anons will either be that it's the best thing since sliced bread or that it used to be the best thing ever until [event] happened and now everything is fucked.
I don't know about PGR, but apparently the combat is pretty similar to Honkai the Third?
What's special and different about Honkai has always been how character focused it is and how gay said characters are. If you don't want a sitcom with a cast that gets thrown out after a while like you take out the trash and if you're at least okay with yuri, Honkai might be for you.
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This game was good, but it has run its course. You'll end up heartbroken with how much Mihoyo murdered this series for the Genshin crowd.. If you don't want to end up hating Mihoyo in all of eternity, play PGR instead.
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(You) killed this franchise. All of you did.
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The game was good when there was censorship. You'll end up angry at swimsuits, lack of male characters, and addition of yuri instead of heterosexual. HI3 failed to be profitable. They halved (from 11 to 6) the number of copies you need to sss a gacha character so whales have less to spend too. These are bad things because characters like Vita who made 3.2 million could've made 7-8 million from whales. Add 50/50s, a widely beloved feature that other Hoyo has, and it would go even higher. HI3 needs to learn from successor games and have lower rates and 50/50s instead of all these guarantees and letting you craft stigmatas with cubes. Add beloved censorship, male characters, and remove the hated yuri for profit.
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>he doesn't want uncensored sex scenes
Don't make me start posting all the times School Days had a collab with. Your gay mindset belongs in a yaoige.
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Seven minutes
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>there's a "civil war" happening right now between two chimpanzee factions in Uganda
Bros she did it, I'm so happy for her!
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Vill-V's juicy and beautiful mammary glands.
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It's hilarious how many dumbasses actually think this game is going to explore the entire solar system. Yeah, they can totally explore Venus, Mercury, and the moons of the gas giants all in less than the 2 years before APHO. And for what? Will they all have a computer program to explore too? Their own Senadina equivalents? What's the goddamn point anymore, become HSR lite?
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I want to explore Seele's bakery.
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Give me back my Cock Seele!
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Everyone should have their own cock, Kiana-chan.
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What the hell is this?
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>no EN Beta for 8.8
>due to mHY's internal development plans
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This is exactly how this works.
HI3 is a small game made for a small target audience while new Hoyo games are big games made for the masses. They tried to appeal with HI3 to casual audience with the beginning of Part 2, but it backfired spectacularly.
It's similar with Kuro Games where PGR is a dark sci-fi game made for small fanbase while WuWa is sterilized to oblivion harem slop made for normies. They tried to make WuWa much more darker in the first beta tests, but it was too much for casuals so they completely changed the tone of the whole game so it would sell.
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>they can only be creative in our game without worrying about profits?
They certainly are more bold in Hi3rd at time with what they are willing to do (Helia shooting being a key example)but they obviously still restrain themselves and the story suffers for it. Mei's "arc" is the clearest example of them backpeddling on a planned story arc.
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Elysian Realm up to Part 2's first few chapters probably had more suit oversight, though, seeing as Elysia was practically made with mass market appeal in mind (Mei being the POV character and Elysia being flirty with her a.k.a. the viewer), but the quality has been steadily on the rise as well as male DS being deleted and yuri becoming more prevalent, perhaps indicating that there's less oversight now.
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Sauceele please, i couldn't find it on my own.
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I just wanted QUA...
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Was the reason that Senadina was unable to embrace Finality because she attempted to do it alone, being the last of her race, while Kiana was able to bring all of humanity past The End?
I still can't quite grasp the embrace even after watching Homu Labs over and over again. Maybe I'll rewatch it.
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Thankeele! People not tagging their stuff is annoying.
Also didn't know that the pic you've used has a finished version now
>uploaded like 20 minutes ago
Ah. It appears that i did my weekly twatter crawl a few hours too soon.
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It's more like Senadina deep inside doesn't actually like to govern and be burdened with the fate of a planet
since the final embrace is more like a true reflection of yourself and Senadina sees her carefree Sena self more
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>bad weather after bad weather after bad weather made me drop all the way to Agony 2
>suddenly, Seele weather
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Can't believe we lost the actually scary Will of the Honkai that was introduced years ago in 2E for this random thing introduced at the last minute with no buildup or foreshadowing. It doesn't even have the word Honkai in its name. Feels like Somehow, Palpatine Returned, but worse.
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More like
>Btw, Palpatine never existed
or given how the WoH was a background overarching villain
>Btw, Sauron/Melkor was just a "theory" set and instead we had an AI hijack Mordor
>This AI proceeded to lead Mordor in the same actions a malevolent tyrant would've done, including in ways that completely fuck over any PE character's plans like saving Sirin against Hua INCLUDING maintaining the same Herrschers because she idiotically gave Sirin gems for Herrschers out of order like Fire which is way after most of the others
>which is why Herrscher of Death shows up only during Part 1.5 with Seele and other crap that could've derailed all of Kebin's plans but she was a good friend
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I've also used Sauron as an analogy for this. Imagine that right before the battle of the black gate that Sauron suddenly dies offscreen and some random thing from nowhere shows up to replace him. You don't establish a final boss villain from the start and then bait and switch it for something else completely different right before the end.
The 14th Herrscher also suffered from this. She turned out to be a complete nobody after everyone thought she was the PE Kiana.
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Could they have done Coralie's death better? I don't think so.
With Coralie's fake death along with the intervention of Revenge Spirit, Helia was allowed to be reframed and given depth of character, giving her more than just "The hardworking one".
With Coralie's return, Helia was able to come back to a sort of "home", making it so that her arc wouldn't be longer than it needed to be.
I can't think of how much better they could've made Coralie's death since it allowed a better look into the cosmology without being overbearing, as well as being able to explore Coralie as a character through her revival.
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It was good, I enjoyed their arc as well. The best Part 2 had to offer to this point, finally giving Helia and Coralie a bit of depth.
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What do I buy? I have Sonque, Lantern and Thelema. Who's is 8.8 going to be?
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That's a very low bar to clear. It doesn't make p2 good just because other parts are even worse. Being honest, HI3 as a whole always had mediocre writing. It's good at worldbuilding (sort of) and making emotional vibes, but not much else.
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Part 2 is Genshin-coded that's why it sucks and the people who like it don't play games, or probably 3rd and only wanted to suck the dead franchise dry through watching people play it for them. Really unfortunate how it had turn out like this, but you all deserve part 2.
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This game needs more yuri, more agency in Part 2, more yuri and less censorship. KiaMei kissing was a great start. I suggest Helia kissing Coralie next because she fucks dogs. I loved Part 1 and want Part 2 to be just as great.
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I can't get the dancing music and Bronya's fuckass Macarena out of my head
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hi3 writing was getting more and more pointlessly long (aka modern chinkslop) over time but you can pinpoint the exact moment genshit dropped and affected story quality
kolosten still gets a pass because it was basically the finale to the series but even that was affected
>arc is like 20+ hours long
>main plot point happens
>its some retarded quantum physics technobabble bullshit
>the only thing that explained how it worked is 2 sentences that some random scientist said at some random point in the arc
this is literally all hoyo writing now
the main saving grace that hi3 had was continuity with good characters, end of arc cinematics and fanservice
elysian realm dropping killed all of that and i warned you fags that le elysia flamechasers and le kebin were the worst things to happen to hi3
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>But people do still fondly remember the good seasons of GOT
No, they go full cope and defend parts everyone hated when they aired. That shitty Robb plotline with the girl? Even book flaws like Tywin's teleporter which let him zip to the Tyrells and back to get Stannis from behind. Or times they wrecked characterization during the "good" seasons. It's all retroactive cope and dishonest liars in the fanbase taking an opportunity to cover up areas people didn't like.
There's sometimes it's retroactively semi-justified, like when the complaint itself is retarded and people realize they were making stupid complaints, but mostly it's just
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I will always cherish Honk for how strong it has been. I want Part 2 to get better and better. I'm here for the ride.
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Nah, that's Elysian Realm
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See above. Elysian Realm ruined the franchise forever Even anons who don't like P2 have to admit P2 is just following the footsteps of Elysian Realm with Senadina being a new Elysia, Shus being new Flame Chasers, in a simulation world, etc. The Cocoon, the Will of Honkai not existing, there were retcons before but none fundamentally ruined everything as hard as this.
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Reminder that it's very possible to retroactively ruin an earlier story with shitty follow ups. A big way is if they set up a cliffhanger or mystery box that gets done badly. Rather than ending watching the older movie on an expectant note, you're reminded of a shit payoff later. That's the Will of Honkai retcon. Even CN agreed Kevin sucked compared to Otto.
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>Even book flaws like Tywin's teleporter which let him zip to the Tyrells and back to get Stannis from behind.
This. GRRM realized that Robb was kicking too much ass and handed Tywin a magic teleporting device which let him get to the Tyrells and back before Blackwater was done. A number of implausible shit happens all because he realized the war wouldn't end the direction the plot wants it to all because he accidentally wrote one side as kicking too much ass.
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>>563323085
Let's not derail this thread with too much talk of GOT, but people do still enjoy the earlier seasons, and we should leave it at that. Same with HI3. People still talk about part 1 more than anything else.
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I view it like Naruto which had a really bad drawn out final arc with the random alien bullshit surprise big bad but it still ended with him becoming hokage so it stuck the landing.
The moon arc was simultaneously rushed while being slow as fuck with surprise cocoon bullshit and Kevin being a lame villain but Kiana defeated the honkai good job well done.
Part 2 is Boruto I don't give a fuck.
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Edmure or not, Tywin somehow managed to get through castles/Rivers and literally hundred thousands of miles in a day. The Books never had the best sense of scale too. As a rule of thumb, numbers for armies in historical documents could be divided by 10 because a lot of them are exaggerated. But distances? There's no damn way Tywin made it there and back. Martin actually said https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/2787
>I have deliberately tried to be vague about such things, so I don't have obsessive fans with rulers measuring distances on the map and telling me Ned couldn't get from X to Y in the time I say he did.
>However, if you really must know, you can figure out the distances for yourself. The Wall is a hundred leagues long. A league is three miles. Go from there.
>But if you turn up any mistakes in travel times by using that measure, let it be your secret.
Because he knew he was bound to mess up somewhere and he did at a pivotal moment.
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The old lore worked just fine, so why did they throw it all out for some bad fanfic-tier ideas like making the Will Prometheus (???) and introducing some random cocoon out of nowhere? Elysia is also a huge insult to older lore. No one asked for her, but the pink Mary Sue is what we got. And then P2 tried and failed to copy the Flame Chasers. Really sad.
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Boruto got some good shit every now and then so you're saying part 2's got parts better than part 1 but nobody watches
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Also another pivotal plot point was how the Freys negotiated a marriage deal due to desperately needing their bridge. That's nonsense. George R.R Martin somewhat exaggerates the time it takes to cross a river in order to force Robb into making this particular choice, but historically, the Earl of Warwick was able to rebuild the bridge at Ferrybridge the day before Towton in far less than a day (given that he had to slowly force a crossing under fire, and then had time at the end of the day to set up camp as well as to repair the bridge), and Edward IV then had to repeat the feat the next day when a surprise Lancastrian attack forced a retreat and a torching of the repaired bridge, and then went on to fight the Battle of Towton. I guess Robb's forgot to bring wood or there's no trees to chop nearby?
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One of the biggest problems with the cocoon is that its criteria for accepting Kiana as a host is only about how compatible with Herrscher authorities she is, which has nothing to do with her humanity and what kind of person she is. For everyone's efforts and sacrifices, whether anyone survived or not was always depending on whether there is one person who can accept multiple Herrscher powers at once...which again has nothing to do with human nature. The cocoon was willing to accept Kevin too, and he's a completely different person from Kiana, meaning the cocoon doesn't care about human nature. It might as well judge Kiana by how many Honkai beasts she can summon at once or something arbitrary like that.
For a story that focuses so much on human nature, the most important element doesn't care for it at all.
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>MADARA WAS GOING TO DO IT NO MATTER THE PLOT ARMOR
>SO ITACHI ASSPULLS SO KABUTO RELEASES? MADARA JUST ASSPULLS HE KNOWS HOW TO RECAST WHEN EVEN TOBIRAMA CAN'T BREAK FREE OF OROCHIMARU WITH IT
>MADARA ALONE VS EVERYONE ELSE? LOL WHO NEEDS EYES TO USE MS MOVES LIKE SUSANOO
>GUY KICKED HIM? LOL MADARA ASSPULL A HEAL TO MAKE GUY NOTHING BUT A TIME STALLER
>ASSPULLS ARE GOOD WHEN MADARA DOES IT
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>showing off a naruto moment
>Ah yes, Momoshiki. A character that was active during Naruto before the epilogue.
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Prometheus did a terrible job guiding it too. What was it thinking?
>Yeah, I hate Welt Joyce and Welt Yang so I'm going to buff Sirin into killing them better.
>Hey Sirin come to the Moon for a new powers including FIRE which is is the previous era's SEVENTH herrscher because Kevin and MEI didn't want us potentially upsetting the order or getting different herrschers than before
>Btw, fuck you Hua I'm not letting you beat Sirin, go be Otto's bitch
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You know the crazy thing about retcons like that? I can't recommend anyone some of the older comics. That whole site full of official Honkai comics I have to carefully tell everyone
>Skip X because it's been retconned
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>Ignore this plot point for future game chapters
I mean come on. I can't in good faith recommend some stories or at least some segments of stories not for its own ups and downs but because future stories took a giant shit on it and now it makes no sense.
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You like yuri in this gambling video game because you think anime girls kissing are human rights activism.
I like yuri in this gambling video game because anime girls kissing gets my dick hard.
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>because you think anime girls kissing are human rights activism
If this would be true, I would play some Western slop like The Last of Us. I play it because I unironically enjoy genuine romance even as a guy and both hetero romance and yaoi are written for people in mind who are into guys and this is just not for me. You exclusively get this with yuri.
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Just poking fun at people, especially on twitter and some anons here, who take this game much too seriously. I like the yuri in this too, but not because it's actually important or something. It's just entertainment.
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why are you making people who aren't yuritroons look bad by reddit spacing and explaining the obvious? this isn't yuritroon general there's only like one or two itt max, even the seele yuritards aren't diehard yuritroons and just avoid discussing sex
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It's just the Giancarlo Esposito meme. I sure hope it's true that this place is free from those insane twitter/tiktok freaks. The community is already a hellhole because of them.
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Why can't HI3 be more profitable like HSR? By reusing game maps, using text narration instead of animated cutscenes, using open source AI to machine translate scripts into other languages, not recording voiceover for events, reusing bosses and enemies, AI-generating character designs, re-running old events, consolidating character budget onto only dev favorites, removing character quests, removing 4* and other free to obtain characters, hiring SEA vocalists, outsourcing narrative development to player popularity polls, and selling character skins from the Unity asset store, adding lots of profitable censorship, male characters, removal of yuri, these are all key to profits. This is EFFICIENT and PROFITABLE. HI3 neglects vital and beloved profit features like 50/50s, halving (from 11 to 6) the number of copies you need to sss a gacha character so whales have less to spend on, and instead puts too much effort into making skins that would've been more efficient if they were low effort recolors and don't even require separate purchases but can be earned through luck or spending events that count crystals, even tickets, instead of needing $300 separately..
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Your whole existence is just no-you-ing a fictionalized caricature of him inside your head. I'd say that's more in line of twitter's behavior than him.
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For starters, the peak of the game is considered to be the Herrscher of Domination arc for having massive payoff for a ton of important character development and Elysian Realm is after this peak. But specifically, if you ask past anons who've done recent playthroughs, the very concept is flawed in it introduced a ton of new characters at once without enough time to develop them and you're supposed to feel more about the tragedy than any deep characterization or development. But the execution is flawed regardless of concept. Structurally, it's a conveyor belt style where each new Flame Chaser is introduced, has maybe a small arc (I'm being generous calling them enough to be a character arc), then dumped and onto the next one.
On individual characters, Elysia herself is a very make or break and love or hate character. And if you don't like her then the whole arc and next ones fail. It'd take a whole other post to describe in detail.
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Is Part 2 good?
I liked the garyu in the future honkai adam kino.
Oh fuck what happened to that shit? Does it relate to HSR?
Actually, what the fuck is the continuity between HI3 and HSR? Are the Honkai gome from that game?
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NTA but it starts slow but gets better until it's comparable to some of the better arcs in the whole game. There's a schizo crying about genshit but he can never identify how or why anything is genshit and many pointed out to him he's fingering the wrong arcs and unfairly giving free passes to earlier arcs. Probably because he doesn't play this game because people cite screencapped scenes in rebuttal and he never recognizes them.
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Part 2 starts horribly and ended up being mediocre. It's trying so hard to be the Chink version of Elysian Realm and it fails spectacularly. It's not a Honkai game, and will never be a Honkai game. I'd take APHO than this garbage being aped up by twitter tourists every day.
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Starts off by needing to establish too much worldbuilding. It's bad at the beginning but there are so many straight up shit arcs like EE and Moon that fuck at least it's not that level. It's survivable and soon gets into decent character development. It helps it it goes a direction ER/EE never does and instead of hyperfocusing on one character, it gives a chance for others to develop.
Also, ignore the troll saying he wants APHO. APHO's self-insert MC having all the girls be useless and fall on his dick is a precise example of not being Honkai but being GI or HSR. Pressure him on anything "how" and you'll find he can't back up anything.
>Actually, what the fuck is the continuity between HI3 and HSR? Are the Honkai gome from that game?
Another world according to the comics which characters can travel to. Welt is from HI3 and so is Vita.
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Part 2 has a slow start but it atleast has bit more soul then just reposting Elysian realm arc.
Sonque and Thelema relationship is cute and chapter 3 is kinda cinema with intresting bossfight
Helia and Coralie arc hits on a personal level and cover the theme of being a normal person in a world where main characters are made to be special, while feeling useless.
Helia and Coralie are also really cute with clear yuri pandering.
Part 2 would have been doomed if they stuck with male protag option.
Vita is also really a good character and Leylah is a nice bully bait.
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Also NTA and since I dropped HSR when it was somewhere in Penacony, I'm unaware of any actual connection to HI3 in HSR. I know many say the Welt is the same as in HI3, but I never noticed. There are easter eggs about Honkai in Shart Trail and that's all about it, really. Sparkle had a cameo which really wasn't more than that. Bita fucks her.
Honkai, Shart Trail and Genshit are all a connected multiverse (to put it simple), but you may do the sensible thing and pretend that other mass market slop doesn't exist and you wouldn't miss a thing.
Part 2 gets better as time goes on. The start was very bad, it seemed like Honkai was trying to become more like the other games, with a Dreamseeker who was almost a self-insert, who could even be a guy, it started with a lot of exposition that didn't go anywhere and shallow characters. The breaking point was when Ajita identified the mere possibility of a male self-insert as a mistake in the system. After this, the Dreamseeker developed an own agency, she became more of a POV and less of an MC, characters got room to breathe, most notably Helia and Coralie. Helia especially turned from some bland girl with insecurities who takes everything too seriously into a grown valk of her own. She also fucks dogs (one dog, but you get the point. okay, one dragon...).
Part 2 is still on an upwards trajectory, things get more tense again right now. Basically what this anon says >>563366043
At this point, you can clearly see the direction in Part 2. Perhaps one point of note is that Part 2's world is highly unstable because Sea of Data stuff which made a lot of the early chapters even more confusing than they already were despite all the worldbuilding that was going on for far too long.
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Helia and doggo (dragon)
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Part 2 is boring as fuck compared to part 1 with all its hype moments and worldbuilding. Part 2 has no aura. No epic concepts like Herrschers and MANTIS and Schicksal and AE and Divine Keys and more. It literally doesn't have main antagonist at all, certainly no one like Otto. It's just slowly exploring a computer program of an already extinct planet, a computer that's going to be abandoned as soon as the Mars arc ends.
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Just the fact that a recent reply to this thread complains about a lack of hype and aura, when even the boss fights are gameplay-wise much better than part 1 tells you what the average complainer's like. They need keys dangled in front of their faces constantly. They're just lacking animated shorts to the point fans make them themselves https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Q17JzNEb8/
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You think most people liked this game for...the boss fights? Get real. The gameplay was always the weakest part of the game, and whatever part 2's gameplay has done is lipstick on a pig. No, people tolerated the lackluster gameplay for the story and characters, and now that part 1 is done, part 2 is lacking what made part 1 cool.
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Doesn't help some of the shit he mentioned are among the most retconned or even useless to the overall plot. P2 has all these Shadows but at least it didn't introduce weapons as being current era just to retcon it as past era.
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Definitely useless. Most of the Divine Keys have 0 plot relevance or are weapons used by characters that could've NOT been them easily like Himeko's suit she used to fight HoV. You forgot to mention wholesale retconned away weapons too like Jizo.
Shus are basically nuFCs combining Herrschers and useless as fuck MANTIS who are just another name for Honkai infused characters just like the Vodka Twins, like Teri Teri and just as replaceable.
And Herrschers are among the worst because their lore got fucked up hundreds of times over to the point they're a mark of shame in spite of being fundamental to the plot. Elysia did so much bad to them on every level from thematically to character to just everything.
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Yeah, part 2 is even worse than the part 1 retcons by resetting everything in the computer and erasing character development. They massacred Songque's character after she developed for 3 whole chapters and gained a new form only for none of it to have happened. Now Songque is an irrelevant NPC. Coralie's "death" is an absolute joke next to Himeko's.
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>Jizo
>The mutation turned their hair pink? That sounds familiar.
>Kiana Kaslana
>It happened to the Principal once, that and a pair of fox ears.
>Bronya Zaychik
>Ah! I remember now. She came at me with bare teeth and wanted a piece of me!
>Kiana Kaslana
>So that's why you two locked me up in a cage?!
>Theresa Apocalypse
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>entire characters like Vita constantly hammering the point about how these simulation characters aren't the real ones nor will they remember anything but how the cast still develops attachment to them knowing this
>Vita tells you over and over that the only people who matter are the ones with existences outside which is why the narrative focuses on their development far more than the rest
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He'd fit with the JJK crowd only not /a/ or any community that discusses setting or wasted potential. He'd like the Gojo clan never seen besides Satoru and Yuta or the completely arbitrary rules around binding vows.
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>p2 cancerfag is a shounenspic
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I liked the military scifi setting of p1 a lot. Giant flying battleships, mechs, armoured battlesuits, and lots and lots of guns. I liked the political situation of how the world was divided between Schicksal and AE. The manhua helped with this a lot. Very Code Geass-esque. The story moved away from that vibe for a more generic fantasy tone. Anyone else miss that era?
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Listen to the desperate twitterfag's empty rhetoric. The Elysiafag who doesn't play HI3, who has to assert when told he's wrong, when he's desperately grabbing even to parts that aren't liked or done well, it's a sign he's far from any old school player. Do not (You) him. Just laugh.
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It's true. No clear, overarching antagonist to defeat. No equivalent to Otto, Kevin, or the Honkai itself, just villains of the week like Perception and Litost who get beaten quickly. The closest to a main villain is Leylah, but she hasn't done anything villainous yet.
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b-but kita-san might see us.. I feel like that'd make her upset after everything that happened..
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Oh right he did
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The Cocoon again if that counts. HI3 an Mihoyo properties tend to have a bunch of antagonists for each arc or reveal more as the story goes. Litost is responsible for a lot of why Leylah's the way she is but he's just trying to force her to adapt to a bad situation.Leylah herself is an antagonist but closer to a confused out of control girl than a deliberate sinister mastermind. At least they didn't build up to the Will of Honkai being the final villain only to reveal it never existed before Prometheus made it then making a side villain like Kevin the final boss. CN widely agreed Kevin is vastly inferior to Otto as a villain.
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I feel as if we just don't know enough about certain characters yet. Why does Leylah look like a dark Dreamseeker? What's Nahralab's deal, really, with Coralie's return and how she now just hangs around and stuff? Will Sena's insecurities get resolved in an arc similar to Helia's? Who wins the Senabowl?
The game takes its sweet time to untangle all of this.
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>Why does Leylah look like a dark Dreamseeker?
Game says, it's Entropy like Leylah rather than the reverse. She's a copy.
>What's Nahralab's deal, really, with Coralie's return and how she now just hangs around and stuff?
Lazy dragon who's older than most of the cast who hangs out with Sena. Her true endgame isn't fully clarified but it looks to be supporting Sena. With Coralie, her goal looks to be more about learning how non-immortals cope with loss.
>Will Sena's insecurities get resolved in an arc similar to Helia's? Who wins the Senabowl?
Maybe, she's only recently back.
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huh?? The last two are pretty obvious the way you put it, sure, but how could I miss the first one?! Totally makes sense with the DS coming from the Sea of Data and everything and I bet YY and that whole Difeng story might add even more to it, but now I really feel as if I don't read carefully enough.
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They made the story vague and open-ended like Genshin to make the writing easier and lessen any constraints. The lack of overarching conflict and a coherent point contributes my thesis that part 2 sucks and anyone who slurps it up most likely has a Genshin account.
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>The lack of overarching conflict
The goal of the first chapters were to find a solution to Kiana's condition and rediscover how Mars got ruined. The first dives were about the Shadow Calamity that destroyed everything and exploring a more post apocalyptic setting where outside Oxia most is gone. Through that you learn more about the Shadows, which is basically the Honkai for Mars, eventually leading to their commander Leylah and her connection to DS. From there it's Leylah into Senadina and how they came, The end goal is still the cocoon how it manifests even if it did it different than Earth. The simulation travel goes further back in time to grab the root of how it became this way.
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Best girl birthday!
"Now that everyone's made their wishes, it's time for the cake-cutting part that everyone's been waiting for."
"Kiana, you wouldn't be thinking of starting a 'cream fight,' would you? Is Rice Cake also eager to join in?"
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Who knows?
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Funny how Mars itself is irrelevant. The real point of part 2 was always just Kiana (all that fanfare about her story being over and moving on from her turned out to be BS) and the cocoon. Maybe Senadina too, but I don’t see her outshining Kiana in terms of importance. After part 2 ends, expect to never see Mars again.
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>even someone like Kevin who you feel sorry for
>feel sorry for one of the most boring characters of the cast
>who sits on a chair most of the story doing nothing
>who has no agency of his own and is still following his dead girlfriend
>who is directly connected to the worst retcons of the story
Kevin was a never a great character. He was introduced in the story in chapter 12, and didn't do anything interesting until chapter 17 when he took advantage of Mei's emotional weakness to get her into WS. After that, he went back to do nothing interesting until chapter 32. Even his sim doesn't grant much more insight into his character's personality because he acts the same even with his friends alive. The only thing worth pitying is how badly written and wasted potential he is while being a disappointing final boss.
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Kebin was a retard who thought he knew better than everyone else and forced his ideas onto everyone without care for their well-being. He was completely disconnected from everything he fought for as a result and this is why he could never succeed. ER told us a lot about him, it told us that he's barely human, he's almost robotic.
There is literally no reason to feel sorry for him whatsoever.
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I now understand the Twitterfag must be a Genshit or HSR player because male characters don't make much impact on HI3 players besides maybe Otto for being a villain. If he feels for Kebin, he must be from elsewhere.
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Read the Second Key manhua. Kevin is a good character there. He's written as a tragic character who lost almost everything and everyone he cared about. He was a hero who fell and became a villain. He's supposed to be sympathetic. He has writing flaws and comes nowhere close to Otto as a villain, but he's still much better than having no big bad at all. This story will never have a villain remotely as good as Otto again.
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A big problem about much of the PE characters and especially the Flame Chasers is people are more in love with their concept than anything specific to their character. Most do not get any deep characterization or screen time and get reduced to Elysia cheerleader anyway. Most of them only get clout because they are Flame Chasers, like a celebrity that's popular for being popular or being in a popular group, than any merit of their character writing on their own. Many are practically filler or could be swapped out for another character and it'd be no different for the overall plot.
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>Second Key manhua
I did and he's garbage. The most we get are brief flashes of his life and none of it makes him any good. He's a basketball star turned depressed emotionless ice guy meant to appeal to yumejoshi or whoever consumes games like LaDS.
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I can't believe you are making me into lawyer for Kevin of all people: HE GETS SHIT!
Whatever you heard, all is extremely exaggerated by people who never touched HI3 in their life (you should all keep it that way) and only "heard" things (mostly from people who also never played HI3 in their life).
Kevin in HI3 is like that one overpowered figure in animes that others mostly see as that. However, the wank he supposedly has in HI3, or his importance, once more, is extremely exaggerated!
Everything during ER was about Elysia and characters dick sucking her 24/7. When it wasn't Elysia, it was Dudu wank time. Kevin? "Wow he is strong" and that's fucking it. He has shit for screen time. Whenever he appears it's to say some riddle shit and fuck off. Then some more Elysia wank. Then Kevin appears and looks gayer than ever in his Diabetic form. Jobs. Then nobody brings him up ever again!
By the way, his entire arc wasn't even because of his own character, but because his dead girlfriend basically put such ideas into his head.
Here is your Kevin Kaslana track record:
>GGZ - just genderbent Kiana during funny genderbender event (think about that Gintama episode)
>HI3 - overhyped strong character that is more of a symbol for his strength that you had to defeat (think about Shitnook in this game)
>HSR - might be the only one in which he gets "too wanked" due to everyone forcing the narrative that he is meant to save them
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He spends it willfully walking into a trap in a attempt to show Su, another irrelevant character, wrong and most is flashback with Rita taking his stoic ass's place. His backstory doesn't mean his current
>Whatever I don't care. It's none of your business.
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This supports >>563420187
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They're killing Adam off in Apho 3 ad Kianners is returning as mc again. If you don't like it you can always kill yourself or stop playing!
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>Why do birds fly?
Why does he put me to sleep?
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Why that need to move goalposts?
Part 2 has a totally different vibe, it feels more like the girls learn to go on living after the apocalypse already happened while Part 1 lived through it.
Just compare Bronya and Seele to Helia and Coralie, their relationships tell you a lot since the game has always been built on a yuri foundation.
A new Otto wouldn't fit that world, the scenario would change to be a rerun of Part 1.
>but Reddit says...
I genuinely don't give a fuck what normalfag Shart Trail or Genshit tourists have to say.
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>The real point of part 2 was always just Kiana (all that fanfare about her story being over and moving on from her turned out to be BS) and the cocoon.
So fucking real. Hoyo can't bring itself to let go of her. I pity the dreamseeker. She'll never be the mc like kiana.
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Wake me up!
Wake me up inside!
I can't wake up!
Wake me up inside!
Save me!
Call my name and save me from the dark!
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That definitely made her a villain to a lot of people. But seriously, no one in p2 is a real villain yet. Maybe p2 doesn't need to be that kind of story, but speaking honestly, I really looked forward to Otto finally getting beaten up. Having a character that easy to hate got me invested.
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>mfw Shinjiused your hand
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>Join Seele
>Become fat
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How does it feel, knowing (You) are inherently superior from nu-Hoyo fans? They can screech and cry about how (You)r game isn't even that great, but they have never played (You)r game, but you have theirs.
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I just woke up!
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>>563156412-anon
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Thanks.