this OP sucks

this OP rocks

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High delta-v missions really start to break this game. Even with a part expansion for fewer bigger fuel tanks and trying to minimize the payload, lifters get unwieldy. I had to shit a ton of support columns to stop it from collapsing on the launchpad even though it has no problem once in flight. I might reconsider and send the plane SSTO separately to cut a bit of payload. I also need to do some proper math because I'll bet it's well overbudget on mission delta-v.

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>>562925987
you should really use mods when playing ksp nowadays
there's no reason not to

>>562926354
The situation is a bit better than it once was, what with communications and resource processing being implemented vanilla, but modding KSP is still kind of a pain in the ass and bloats it like fuck. I was avoiding installing any part mods because I don't want to constantly hunt through them in the builder. TweakScale didn't fucking work or I would've done my damnedest to have no mod parts. I would at the very least have to go through the mod files and cull anything I don't strictly need.

But the thing that most needs fixed I'm pretty sure can't be - their absolute dogshit piece-wise rigid body physics implementation and half-worthless PID stability control implementation.

>OP changes every thread
padtranny lost, eggineers won

>>562926818
>but modding KSP is still kind of a pain in the ass
isn't it as easy as checking a box on ckan or something?

I color the floors >>562909614

>this dogshit OP again

rotting /egg/

>>562916746
bit overbuilt for logi honestly

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Man I love Industrial Revolution, I've been playing with the patchset and I gotta say Deadlock989 was a fucking savant when it came to graphics, I understand it's not to everyone's liking but the fact that most graphics haven't changed since Industrial Revolution 1 back in 2019 (pic related), shows how fucking consistent it was, the artstyle is consistent across all versions and sprites from it's first version up to the last. It's such a fucking sad thing that he had to be a brit and do his anglo schtick.

I even began learning blender make my own free version of all assets, one day I'll be free of the curse, but the difficult thing for me right now is all the layers each sprite has, and the internal helper functions used in the code to align spritesheets, but that can be reverse engineered I guess. Also why do modders never share the blender models and only opensource the spritesheets?

when col 0.8.3

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no fuel value? where's my semi-fluid generator

>>562952135
You can't burn creosote, dummy.

>>562956953
You can burn anything… with enough fluorine.

>>562957040
>oxidizes your oxygen

>oxygen not included
>there is indeed oxygen included

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>>562958189
Gotta love the Clang element.

if i start satisfactory now in 1.1, will i be able to continue the same save when 1.2 goes stable, or will i have to restart
am i still ip blocked

Does anyone have cool SE builds to show off?

>>562922378
boy am i glad this is not a vanilla feature and will never be a vanilla feature so i never have to deal with this dogshit
and if it ever did become a feature i would mod it out anyways.

>>562965947
>am i still ip blocked
no, but gookmoot should block all satisfactory players

>>562951672
Switch to experimental.

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It's almost time to build my new power plant but first I need to get a few super computers to get mk.3 miners. The plant will be built in that crater area once I deconstruct the coal power plant there. Since all the numbers line up so nicely I'll build half the fuel gens first, turn them on and then build the other half so nothing catastrophic happens.

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>>562978168
After the power plant comes motors

>>562965947
>if i start satisfactory now in 1.1, will i be able to continue the same save when 1.2 goes stable

yes, it's always forward compatible

>>562978168
>>562978284
does it model several factories? like you know you make 60/s in one factory and consume 45 in another so it tells you you have 15/s left to use in a new factory?

Do I really need to use trains to transport liquids across bridges? I figured there would at least be a utility bridge of some kind but nope. I guess I'll have to make a land bridge if I want to tap water sources on the six different islands.

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>>562982849
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Forgot my pic

>>562978832
You can set the input from one factory to another

Man- it *REALLY* pisses me off that it's been, what? two years now? -- and Py mods are *STILL* using the fucked up hidden beacon centered over buildings via script to add TURD-related special effect modules to buildings.

Factorio 2.0 has a base_effect on the effect_receiver property of all crafting machine prototypes for this, which doesn't need the sloppy, performance sucking beacon-hack. But most importantly: using the base_effect works transparently correctly with any planner mods like Helmod or Factory Planner.

Helmod requires you to manually configure an additional beacon with the hidden effect every time. And Factory Planner just flat out doesn't support the hidden beacon's module effects AT ALL - and any plans you draft with TURD-module affected buildings are permanently fucking broken and wrong once you enable one of those.

>>562978551
Caveat: they sort-of/kind-of guarantee forward compatibility between stable versions.
They explicitly DO NOT DO SO between a beta version and its stable version.
E.g. loading a 1.1 save into 1.2 betas, and playing it there and then afterwards loading it up in 1.2 stable may result in game-state corruption, crashes, or the save failing to load. ALWAYS keep backups and ALWAYS treat beta experimentation as a separate branch to be thrown away once the stable version releases. NEVER carry forward from beta to stable - you WILL hit cases where subtle issues slip in which won't be fixed anymore, and on a massive thousand-hours save you WILL regret that mistake.

>>562982849
>I figured there would at least be a utility bridge
An undercarriage for piping would be super-sweet.
But given that electrified trains and train networks have been made part of DLC already - you can guess where THAT would end, right?

>>562991293
in theory i agree, in practice it hasn't happend after dozens of experimental branches yet
you can also unfuck corrupt saves with the SCIM save editor

>>562983186
Can you set it to 2 others? or is it one to one? I'm using satisfactory-factories.app right now but i'd prefer a local software

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>three mission trip
>repair satellite
>get temperature scans and crew reports around the Mun
>repair the satellite first, super easy
>move on to adjust for other stuff
>miss about 15 times in a row either by proximity or altitude
>eventually just orbit into a crater wall
Not even mad, didn't think a couple of scans would be a hundred times harder than an orbital rendezvous but here we are.
Even if I didn't orbit into a crater, we would have run out of fuel just trying to get all 6 targets.

>>562991790
Man I'm just going to start building land bridges again. Looking at the 10k steel cost for a small bridge across to the next island is crazy. I might as well dump the coal and iron into the water.

>>562993216
>>eventually just orbit into a crater wall
Some of those hills are a several thousand meters above sealevel. Better check the body metrics next time

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nothing wrong with me

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>>562993759
I gave up being safe after the 15th orbit adjustment because our inclination was changing a little with every pass and I was making no progress
Reloading and fixing this satellite again didn't even take 5 minutes, time to try again.

>>562992684
>you can also unfuck corrupt saves with the SCIM save editor
To a certain degree, as far as it relates to no longer existing UnrealObject subtypes, etc. - but there will be things it won't be able to fix. And then it becomes a game of: do you wish to chance your thousand-hour save on that, or not?
I'd err on the side of caution and at least keep a 1.1 backup _somewhere_ such that if shit hits the fan, you can always revert to that. Means you may lose a few hundred hours, tops - rather than a thousand plus.

>>562990786
yes yes, well done anon, well done anon
HOWEVER
you can't change prototypes at runtime stage

>>562993317
>Man I'm just going to start building land bridges again.
Just don't fall for the trap of mass-spamming the new dumping towers everywhere.
Their enormously convenient utility has a price tag.
Namely: an enormously high Maintenance I consumption.

And we all just LOVE Maintenance, don't we?
I mean, personally, I LOVE it when someone drives a rusty nail through the back of my shoulder and twists it so it tears in nicely and hits JUST the right angle under the shoulder blade to permanently ruin my ligatures, don't you?

>>562994560
Not a problem. Py already has several cases where TURDs swap out entire machines for alternate copies. Such as having to accommodate for saw mills where one of the TURDs swaps out their use of normal modules for sawblades.

Anything using a TURD module effect would simply use the same mechanic: update its building recipe to spit out the TURD-base_effect-ed buildings. Update any stocked items of the building to the TURD-ed version; and swap out any placed buildings.

For additional clarity, instead of using the standard TURD icon in the bottom-right corner of the TURD-ed building, it could use the icon for the specific TURD module-effect. E.g. the sickle-moon icon for the night-time TURD on Vrauk.

He doesnt know

>>562993865
Vrauk1 are utter shit you're not seeing a full tank of formic until you hit the 4th science unless you pick wohler which you shouldnt

>>562994560
>>562995039
...

Actually, technically you don't even need to set it up this way - come to think of it.
Because you can create a unique module effect rather than just re-use the base productivity and speed effects, and attach THAT effect to the building's effect_receiver.base_effect property. And then you can have that specific unique effect, which is set to zero by default, be upgraded to its actual effect when the relevant TURD is activated.
Which is something that IIRC you *CAN* do in the runtime stage.

>>562995314
Double-checked: nope, still can't adjust it in the runtime stage. Only reason it's in the runtime docs is because it has a *read* capability there, but it's read-only.

So you'd still need the entity-swapout strategy mentioned in >>562995039 as Py is already applying for sawblades and others.

>>562994647

I had one the was hooked up to my slag/dirt/trash early on so it saved a shitload of fuel and truck time before I made the switch to all yellow. I'm getting ready to reshuffle my entire island for trains so I'll need to find a good way to hook up all the trash products and haul them off to a good dumping zone.
>maintenance
That reminds me thread I need to make a recycling zone too for whet my glass rocking chairs break.

>>562993865
Is there some kind of dick measuring contest between modders to have the biggest buildings or something? The fuck is the point of making them so massive?

>>562994383
for sure
i used to backup my valheim world file after each session

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Another more measured attempt and we've completed the three missions. Now I have a little less than 700 delta v to return home with.

>get to Aquilo
>look inside
>you just ship everything in from other plants instead of making intermediates on site
>undergrounds and heat pipe spam for every building
>Wube clearly knows this because they tried to head off bot malls by making energy drain 5x faster
after Fulgora and Gleba I was excited for this

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>>562995270
>unless you pick wohler
Doesn't wohler synthesis just give you a TURD-specific recipe to break down cyanic acid + formic acid + hydrogen into ammonia, in one of the worst possible ratios imaginable?

I'd think the only TURD option you ever should choose for Vrauk should be the +15% prod, -25% speed, -50% energy use one.
-50% energy use literally turns paddocks into two-for-one passed the initial construction cost and the placement area, completely cancelling out the -25% speed. And the +15% prod is pure gravy sex for an alien-life building that can't take normal prod modules.

It's only real problem is that it fucks up rate calculations in Factory Planner and Helmod, as per >>562990786 and you cannot rely on any ratios involving Vrauk paddock buildings anymore.

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>>562992823
I don't know what you mean but you can have multiple outposts (factories) and have them all link if you wanted but for much larger builds it bugs out. It's easier to just add the item, say you have X per minute then use that as an input. I like modeler because you can build from the ore, or build backwards and you can also use it to build your power plants. It's free on steam and even has steam cloud. You can even add chests, splitters and sinks. It's hands down the best planning tool out there and it's not even close.

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Jeb and Bill have made it home after the Mun triple mission.
The heat shield survived until the landing, where it protected them until the very end.
The capsule is a little heavy for one chute when it comes to landing on solid ground. Something to note for later.

>>562922378
Why aren't the belt motors powered?

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Hopefully this flight will be less cursed than the last.

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The Wing returns to the sky after completing its first ground survey. One of its wingtips got clipped though and it is now missing some of its control surfaces.
Since it has many along its length, the ones at the far left have been disabled and the next outermost set over have been switched to Roll control
It is still able to fly straight and stable despite the damage and is making its way back up to its flight ceiling.

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progress
I wasted a lot of time trying to set up mini trains to vrauks instead of just pulling a longass belt

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choo choo
after 100 years of trading Ikea furniture for coal, I finally reached a deposit and can mine it again.
Coal for furniture was OK but ended up being quite steel and wood intensive.

>>562997594
if you're earendel it's to make people see your art
if you're mootykins it's because you have an undiagnosed mental illness

>>562982849
you can just as easily use water trains

to the anon using the molten trains in the last thread, what is the benefit of transporting molten anything vs just casting it in the same area?

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The red ones go faster

>>562946384
those sloped boxes with a couple robot arms on top and a hole in the middle look oddly familiar. bunch of other mods use the same design for the machines. did deadlock make the graphics for other mods?

>>563016003
none. but you get to choo choo around molten shit.

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>>563016003
>>563018592
Funny, I just came here to post again about my molten trains. I think there is a use case for sure.
Each carriage holds 480 metal, which is enough to keep a single caster busy for 20 minutes. While it's definitely a bit niche, I found it easier to move the molten copper to a site where acid was available for electrolysis.
You might argue that I could have just brought the acid by train to the smelting location, but that's less cool.

>>563019351
they do look cool. they look like bombs
I bought the DLC too but mainly to spite the cheap faggots who constantly cry about being poor. I haven't used trains at all yet but I'm getting close

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>play KSP, designing craft
>iterate on chunks to find a configuration that works out to how I want it
>use undo whenever possible instead of building a really long undo buffer
>this somehow causes a memory leak, consistently, and I have to restart the game before it eventually uses all memory
how the fuck

>>562952135
sorry, only after soaking wood in it
fucked up how there's actually nothing else to do with the stuff

>>563019351
Feed your poor starving population something other than potatoes

>>563013315
It just seems silly. I haven't messed around with T2 trains yet so maybe the throughput isn't that bad. It's hard to beat T4 pipes though.

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Damn it's hard to stay undersize for these bonus puzzles. 3 in a row I've been too big for
Also holy fuck this puzzle took eons to resolve
https://gofile.io/d/JAF2xn

>>562993216
I always skip those "take measurement" missions, reward is nowhere near the effort involved.

>>563002376
I do like the water one as it makes the whole vrauk setup smaller

>>563031985
You're doing the extra credits puzzles

>>563033582
Yeah, but water is also completely free. And it's just one more belt. Actually; it's not even that. The consumption rate p/sec for most stuff is so low, you could probably just feed vrauk paddocks off of a sushi-belt. 2.0's full-belt sensor mode makes that piss-easy to maintain.

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I really hate the statistics tab in COI. It's like they're afraid of giving out info. Plus having to click on every single individual product is really fucking annoying compared to something like factorio. Food is the only one that shows more than one product at a time and even then the limited timescales are annoying.

>>563035554
Yeah well, piss easy is a level above not having to deal with it at all. It's also a return belt for the empty barrels.

>>563002116
woman screenshot

quality is such a waste of time before endgame

>>563036068
>It's also a return belt for the empty barrels.
That can be the same belt.

>>563037604
I like to put quality modules on the end products in my mall. Minimum effort and will produce some green+blue assemblers, smelters, solars, modules, etc to make early ships better, and better fortify some locations with long-range towers.

>>563038972
outside of asteroid fondlers and personal armor none of it is worth a damn imo
I must've added 40 hours to my first playthrough by figuring out the logistics of quality, and even when I reliably had quality everything I wanted (rare combat armor pre-vulcanus, rare mech armor pre-gleba, rare everything that mattered buildings-wise) I think I'd have done better to just ignore the whole thing until post-game where you cheese modules with LDS and then cheese everything with asteroid shuffle
it just isn't fun dealing with it imo, unless you go full autist megabaser

>>563031985
>301/150
damn
at that point just use a new exa for each test case lol

>>563039173
I'm just saying, "dealing with it" can be minimized down to putting quality modules into a dozen assemblers at the end Treat whatever comes out as a bonus.

path to PTer?

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>>563036885
delusion affirmation comment

>my dumbass mod got downloaded over 10k times for some reason
damn that's a lot of nerds with bad taste

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>>563040307
Neat. What did you do?

FWIW - to anyone thinking to update to the new release of 2.0.48 release of the Factory Planner mod for Factorio:
Be sure to disable the display of the satisfaction amount in your save games before you update it.
(Reachable via the ingame 'preferences' window in Factory Planner - not via the Factorio mod settings.)

Version 2.0.48 fundamentally changes how its internals behave, which leads to a lot of recipe chains needing to be 'repaired' - resulting in missing steps. It looks like recipes locked to a single machine now no longer allow machine selection - which changes their internal representation and causes the old versions to be wiped. Not migrated to the new ones - just flat out WIPED. You'll need to re-add all of them manually. (Which is fun in e.g. Py, which has a lot of machine-specific hard-locked recipes ...)

The problem is: not only will you need to re-add them, but the mod's internal calculate_satisfaction function has a null/nil dereferencing bug trying to perform arithmetic on a satisfied_amount field in its data structures which it assumes will never be null - but potentially due to this half-baked not-quite-migration gets stuck with a nulled out value and crashes the game.

If you don't disable the "general preferences -> satisfaction amount" setting before upgrading, you may end up stuck in a crash-loop when loading the game, and may need to downgrade the mod again to be able to load your game and actually access and disable that broken setting (which- again, is not accessible via the general purpose Mod Settings dialog).

>>563042131 (cont.)
Also - you might want to consider just not updating the mod at all, because it removes the dedicated power usage column and cumulative report and instead lists 'power' as an ingredient tile. And it doesn't have an overlaid amount visible like normal ingredients/products do. You have to hover over individual power-ingredient tiles to get the tooltip overlay to show and read the actual power consumption. Which is total ass.

>>563042131
>>563042583
thanjs chatGPT

>>563001863
I had the same experience with Aquilo. I was hyped for some big challenging culmination of things where you applied what you had learned, but nah, it's just a 'have you gotten your platform logistics sorted?' check and then, like, 30 minutes of putting heatpipes around everything.

Very disappointing that that is the ending of the game and not some xenomorph death world where you have to build the most convoluted bullshit to mine the core of the planet for magic or something.

>>563040303
Weird lightning rod.

I wish there was a way to upgrade planner/blueprint tiles (in fucktorio) across raw dirt without replacing any of the already placed tiles.

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Rail electrification is going to be total ass with all the pipes

>>563055741
Third rail instead of overhead lines is another 15$ DLC.

>>563055741
>electric rails clash with overhead pipes
Hydrogen trains it is, then.
I have heard it said that it's more efficient to fuel trains using fast breeder super steam to crack water to hydrogen anyway, rather than use electricity

>>563059403
I have heard it said that it's more efficient to buy diesel and burn it for power than to run nuclear. Don't believe the /egg/s.

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>>562995270
16 vrauk 1 pads is a perfectly fine to get more than enough py 1 going.

>>562995314
the py github is right there, offer your services for the greater good

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>>563060491
That's the same number I used
spacecow manure on the left

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>>563010013
>50 hours for electric miners
>>563062379
it's the number required to always use 1 slaughterhouse

>>563042607
Not ChatGPT, thank you very much.

In the meantime - I actually dug into the code to figure out wtf Therenas was doing with the rendering of power as items to leave them without clear labeling.

It is implemented as, frankly, a hack. It doesn't bother to implement anything dedicated in its data structures. It just has a boolean marker property called 'special' on Products which tracks whether something is being treated as a product, though is not actually a product. And then it's literally doing custom tooltip rendering by looking for the fake item prototype names "custom-electric-power" and "custom-heat-power" and treating everything else that's a 'special' item as pollution emission (which is the third type that was added at the same time).

As it turns out - Factory Planner uses Factorio's built-in GUI prototypes and is using the basic sprite-button type to render ingredients/products, and now also 'special' products like heat or electrical power. Sprite-buttons can ONLY overlay a floating point number in the bottom right-hand corner. This is literally the built-in GUI element that's laser-focused on presenting signals and signal values.

So - these new 'products' will likely never be able to display an actual value with a proper W / kW / MW unit suffix.
The overview that prior versions of Factory Planner gave for power consumption of a build is gone, and staying gone unless Therenas is going to up-end the entire UI.

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>>563060748
yeah, about that...

Don't tell me the reason why most of the pY farms take water in the form of barrels is because he didn't want to add pipe connectors without a monolithic black base.

>>563069254
kek
might just be it

What do I think about Modulus?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2779120/Modulus_Factory_Automation/

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>>563002116
tits or gtfo

>>563070313
omg women are so dumb that's why i hate women

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>>563071508
tsm

>>563070313
but they are the object. they always are and they know it.

In CoI, if I have the highest recycling edicts unlocked and active, does it make more sense to immediately use the recycled stuff in the furnaces or stockpile them and use ore first instead?
I thought that since you can compress scrap, you could store 3 times as much of it as you can ore so it makes more sense to build a large scrap storage instead of ore storage.
Using ore first would also lead to your mines depleting faster and freeing up space for leveling and construction.

>>563079563
Not sure. Using it right away reduces ongoing coal, power and diesel demand, delaying your need to scale up if you're in a bad spot.

Not sure if storage compression has value beyond saving some construction parts and space, both of which you probably have plenty of by now.

>>563079563
Why stockpile it at all? If you have an excess trade it for something. Use your saved resources to make even more unity producing goods and get an even higher level of maintenance and recycling efficency.

>>563081434
>increase your resource usage even more so the death spiral hits harder
COI is not for me

>>563082867
Just set up a strategic backup of steel and electronics and some paused maintenance assembles somewhere. You could do the same with gas generators paused just in case. You should be able to unfuck your situation in the decades those take to run out.

>>563068049
oh hey, neat

>>563084364
All it took is some additions to the entity filters used for beacons and modules in the generator.lua file in Factory Planner. It skips over anything hidden by default, but in this case you want it to use:
1. (type="beacon" AND hidden) or (type="beacon" AND name="hidden-beacon-turd") for the special Py TURD-bonus beacon.
2. (type="module" AND hidden) or (type="module" AND subgroup="py-alienlife-turd-modules") for the special TURD bonus modules.

To bring it all together, when assigning the allowed_module_categories for the beacon and the category for these special modules, you bridge them via a fake category name instead - e.g. "beacon-turds"

Then there's a bit of validity check inside ModuleSet.lua which acts like a consistency check and would throw out invalid combinations, but because you then and there know both the entity name (that being the "hidden-beacon-turd") and know the (faked) module category (that being "beacon-turds") you can short-circuit the validity check and have it always return true for that case.

Works like a treat without having to glue everything together precariously for the full validity check.


Doubt it would ever be accepted as a real integration into the official Factory Planner mod though. Because: woo-boy, this is quite a hack - even if it DOES work. Yuck!

>>563085885
can you like, open a PR for it or something

>>563084364
>>563085885 (cont.)
Realistically though, Py's devs should indeed just fix their shit to use https://lua-api.factorio.com/latest/types/EffectReceiver.html#base_effect correctly and get rid of the screwy hidden beacons.

But that's a battle I'll leave for another anon- I have a working fix for myself now, which will suffice. At least until I have to start combining TURD bonuses with regular AM/FM beacon setup. *THEN* I'm screwed again - because iirc Factory Planner doesn't support multiple different beacon types active on the same factory building.

(Stray bit of advice: that's one of the reasons you should use Helmod and not FP when you decide to play Nullius 2.0. Nullius heavily pushes you to combine different beacon layouts for optimization, and FP screws you there.)


[..]

Hm... actually come to think of it-- according to the documentation base effects have no problems being negative. So actually ... shouldn't the Py devs be using a negative speed bonus on all the Alien Life farm buildings instead of that current stupid approach with teeny tiny low base speed and then all kinds of awkward numbers happening when you use modules that don't exactly match the machine tier?

They should just give e.g. a 10-slot moss farm a base speed of 0.5 and a base_effect speed modifier of -100%.
The lowest that can effectively go is -80%, so each base moss module adds +20%. That means with the first module inserted (and the machine's attached scripting kicking in to take the machine out of script-disabled state) it will operate at exactly -80% speed, aka 0.1 speed, etc.

0: -100% (stopped via script)
1: -80% -> 0.1
2: -60% -> 0.2
3: -40% -> 0.3
4: -20% -> 0.4
5: +/-0% -> 0.5
6: +20% -> 0.6
7: +40% -> 0.7
8: +60% -> 0.8
9: +80% -> 0.9
10: +100% -> 1.0

Put in a Mk2 moss and make that climb 1.5x or 2x as fast, with a MUCH nicer curve than now. Also - you can basically also get rid of the atrocious notion of "real speed."

i'm the pYnis cupcake

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>>563092534
you're
ugly

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>>563095759
t-thanks

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>take oddly high paying satellite repair job
>get to Mun where satellite is
>realize too late that the satellite is in an opposing orbit
ahahahahafuck

>>563099465
plenty of deltav

>>563076106
is that a long hair dude in space
heavy metal my friend!

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Jeez that's almost a collision course.

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Well the satellite is fixed.
I think I figured out why it pays so much, couldn't attach the reaction wheel without a snapping point so I had to move parts around to get one.

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And back home.
Started deorbit at about 3.2k m/s, got a little hot.
This capsule is proven on many missions now.

>computer/aluminum factory I built not long ago worked perfectly
>come back a few days later
>notice hafl the machines aren't getting any oil
>check pipes going into machine
>no oil
>check pipes below
>completly full
>tear down all the pipes and rebuild
>still no oil
>tear everything down a rebuild the pipes again
>they seem to be working
>notice sloshing in the pipes despite everything being flat and even having added a pump
>say fuck it and leave

My patience with the game grows thinner every day

>>563103619
use water towers

>>563103619
>>563103772
My issue was usually water coming OUT of alumina plants refusing to merge correctly with the rest of the water. I don't think I ever got a loop working correctly without accidentally discovering the janky ass priority system. I just accepted that my machines would pause for 1% of a cycle and moved on. If the game had automation systems we could solve this but it doesn't.

>>563103619
That's multiple times you've complained about pipe systems
maybe you should, like, spend time specifically figuring out how pipes work?
instead of just building things

unless you're a different anon

>>563104938
my solution is that my aluminum outputs to a tank that inputs into my aluminum, and the system takes from my output tank before my fresh input tank. So, my output is always near empty but my input never runs low.

Had to tinker for a while to make that setup.

>>563105060
Pipes have been busted for a long time and diagnosing the problem can be a pain in the ass. Sometimes you go over your entire system and just can't find out what's wrong. it turns out that at some point one of your junctions broke the connection between two pipes despite looking like it was connected normally. You remove the junction and find a tiny pixel wide gap between the two pipes that makes them not connect properly.
Janky shit like that makes pipes super annoying to play around.

Even a year ago Snoot pointed out that he saw tons of threads on steam about people either confused about pipes or thinking they were bugged entirely. If people don't understand how they work maybe the game doesn't explain them well enough (or at all)

>>563105060
This is the only real issue I've had. I simply don't understand why they worked and then suddenly stopped. It also took me weeks (?) to finally build that factory as I kept putting it off but finally got it done only to realize it was useless to build it because the next tier of parts requires all the shit I just built but in much larger quantities than what the factory provides so I either tear it down or go rebuild it bigger somewhere else but first I need to make another power plant just so I can build more shit. I don't even think I'm enjoying the game anymore but there's nothing else I want to play and I'm beyond exhausted with factorio and DSP feels like a cheap mobile game and has no steam cloud. Most of the time I have to force myself to start the game and will go days without playing because I just can't be fucking bothered but then I feel bad because I've built so much stuff and remember how fun it was but then I remember it's just going to keep getting more and more tedious. I haven't even gotten started on even trying to decorate stuff which I'll likely never do anyway because I'm not creative at all. I don't even know anymore. Thanks for asking and reading, be sure to like and subscribe so you get more nobody asked blogs.

>>563106402
Check back in another year to see if they fix it.
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68b22be2dbe2e46a549b0664
has been open for months with no response.

>>563106787
Their fluid simulation has always been much more complex than it needed to be. Not sure why, it doesn't add anything to the game. More like the opposite.

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rail yard is starting to look a bit chaotic, I have no idea how anyone finds the space to use trains that only go in one direction

>>562922378
UHHH SIR UHHH SO
SO UHH BELTS ARE POWERED FINE
BUT UHHH OFFSHORE PUMPS???
AND UHH PLACE AN UHH WHAT'S THE NAME AAH A """BURNER INSERTER""" SO PLACE IT YES
PLACE I-
LOOK
PLACE IT IN A
LISTEN!!!
IN A COAL PATCH
COAL PATCH
LIKE COAL ORE
NO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ENERGY EITHER
HAHAHAHAH
YEAH IN
IN A COAL PATCH THE BURNER INSERTER, YES IT STARTS ITSELF AND REFUELS ITSELF
LMAOOOOO YES

Is he okay?

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I made a remote rover and put it on the Mun
Never done it before, surprised it works this well.
It can't really do much but it exists

>>563107137
they should streamline it like factorio did in 2.0

>>563108091
>trains pollution 4
Bro go melt some sand into purple construction parts. The big power generator alone is worth it.

>>563113428
I'm struggling to set up silicon, I don't have enough lebensraum

>>563112634
He'll be fine

>>563113146
They take so long with updates it'll be 2+ years before there's any meaningful changes.

>>563112769
The trick with rovers, especially when you've unlocked more repeatable science experiments to attach to them, is to land near the border(s) of different biomes so you can easily gather more data in a single mission than from an ordinary lander. This matters more when you're going interplanetary, where sending multiple landers would be more expensive and take a long time

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>>563115729
pretty cool mod that removes a huge annoyance with sf blueprints

>>563115729
Can you show some more pictures of those stacks splitters and the lifts? That looks really nice

>>563117380
No it's from the mod page https://ficsit.app/mod/BlueprintHighlighted but you can copy it easily, just stack them and do a 90 degres angle with the top belt with a lift

>>563115557
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THATS CHEATING

>>563115557
What was stopping them from making this the actual implementation of blueprinting? You know, instead of that retarded box which barely worked.

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>>563079563
As in everything else for CoI it depends specifically on your setup and your demands for the time,
I have a separate set of furnaces that only deal with recycling, and they can run pretty much at 100% if I have the edicts turned on
I'm now planning upgrading the facility doubling its capacity

>>563123936
Spite?

>>563123936
why would you want blueprinting in the shitty unreal engine 5 painting simulator? blueprinting is relegated to factory games and such, you dont need it in a ball crushing painting simulator.

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the inevitable and civilization-ending train traffic jam

>>563106402
nvm I kept playing, I think I was just ina bad mood or some shit then I started feeling good again so I started playing

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Time to claim another island. Mostly I'm just greedy and want free water for farming on all that flat land. Plus it has gold,bauxite,and quartz.
I just unlocked mega vehicles so I can start flattening the mountains on my main island.

>>563131160
islands make this tedium simulator worse not better

>>563134589
The game has very adjustable difficulty. You can remove a huge amount of the tedium by tweaking it if you want.

>>563134589
>tedium simulator
which /egg/ game would you call not tedium simulator?

>>563137186
Factorio

Specifically Nullius. Always new things. New things for old things. New old things. Late game flip turns upside-down. Novel end goal that's well contextualized

>>563138283
I'm guessing that's a mod? I don't use cheats

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lol, you can unlock calcite processing without ever stepping foot on vulcanus, if you get advanced asteroid processing first and let the oxide crusher recipe run. neat, and not many people probably ever see this happen haha

Is there a mod so mega véhicule can cross bridge

>>563142592
Probably not. The devs don't seem to like modders.

>>563123936
because theyre incompetent fucks that can't actually implement something of actual substance and allow players to do as they please
if they disagree with that notion, then implement real blueprints and give us early game green houses that get better in late game instead of giving excuses as to why that can't be allowed
i'll wait

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>>563123936
Iirc they've been against blueprints for a very long time, and only after people kept bitching (and new late game stuff made the need more evident) they finally gave up and made a compromise between having blueprints at all and them being actually usable

>>563145756
Oh and there was also an issue with game object number limit hardcoded into the engine that could be casually reached if people started slapping fuckhuge blueprints all over. It's still there I believe but they've optimized the game quite a bit since then so it's not as bad as before

>>563146031
>if you do dumb things then dumb things might happen, we can't let you do that!

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>>563147069
They basically overreacted and assumed people would copy paste their entire factory and just plop down fifty of them and crash the game.
I made this webm five years ago and it's still better than the shitty blueprint system in some ways. The dude that made the mod had auto aligning belts for buildings and whatnot all the way back then. Saved you literally hours upon hours on a long play through.

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>>563105904
The pipe junctions have been bugged for a very long time: depending on orientation they can add some virtual elevation which will mess with fluid merging/splitting priorities. I believe a lot of trouble people have with fluids is caused by that actually.
The devs have claimed they've "fixed fluids" in 1.2 but that remains to be seen.

>>563147592
To fix fluids, you perform engineering and build lines with headroom and a little bit of minimal redundancies in mind. The majority of problems are caused by lesser players building from spreadsheets and linking up massive lines to a single pipe, then wondering why it sputters on a cold start.

>>563147506
>They basically overreacted and assumed people would copy paste their entire factory and just plop down fifty of them and crash the game.
Why would that even be a concern? It's like designing Skyrim around the fact someone could potentially open up the console and spawn three million watermelons. Yeah, they *could* crash the game; so what?

>>563149843
Unlike spawning a million watermelons, the action of building a streamer+ class factory is the expectation of the player. It isn't something done in jest. When some crazy autist is building a truly ridiculous amount of things with a plan in mind and then the game seeming randomly crashes consistently, the chance of spergout is significant. Even if you have to build a truly absurd amount of things because streamer builds are already way more than a reasonable amount of objects when a single wall segment consists of 10 different buildables.

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>>563149843
I don't know anon. Most of what we know of the devs thoughts on blueprints comes from this guy. It didn't help that he flat out doesn't like factory games and would usually brush off any concerns over how long it takes to build as people not 'trying' hard enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoRmIFZq4Y

Here's one of the hundred+ clips of him talking about blueprints

>>563150594
Here's another one talking about how blueprints would lead to bad fps.
https://youtu.be/T1w4TV8Y8Lk?list=PLbjDnnBIxiEpUuYgu0-pxFGsbN2YXpbOP&t=34

>>563139887
Interesting, I always thought mine entity means you need to actually, you know, mine the entity, not just produce the item.

>>563149791
Fluids are fundamentally fucked in this game because the people implementing them had zero clue about fluid dynamics and essentially just vibe coded whatever they thought should work then supplemented it with more crutches until it stopped bugging out too obviously on common tasks. There's still a lot of subtle issues that you can only try to work around at best.

>>563152056
It was way too early for vibe coding

>>563147592
>>563152056
Honestly glad that Wube decided to say 'fuck it' to flow rates in Factorio. It was the most obnoxious part of building a factory in the more complicated mods.

>>563152242
I mean in the spirit of it, where you do something you have no idea about and hope it magically works.

>>563152489
It works for Factorio because of the scale you can get up to and how abstracted it already is, but fluids behaving like electricity would be absolutely horrible for Satisfactory.

>>563152685
>vibe posting, vibe rationalizations

>>563152885
I would force pipes to be one-directional and simplify how fluid flows through them. So that if there is a pump every 20 vertical meters you always get full flow rate, instead of those random fluctuations.

>>563153170
I would put a small buffer at the end of any long production pipeline and not worry about being an ideas guy for redoing the fluid systems.

why would the mafiniggers kill COIE

>>563154721
because greed

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Guys I think my payload might be too big.

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>>563154721
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T LOAD A MOD AT THIS STAGE YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO CHANGE WHAT I LET YOU CHANGE

kill yourself
don't post that shit ever again

>>563139887
I wonder if testers just missed it or the devs decided that triggering it that way wasn't worth fixing

>>563139887
Thanks, will report it to the devs as a bug :^)

>>563154775
im too retarded and/or the game is too tedious to play without COIE making the grind atleast a bit faster, especially with the game speed settings letting me go 20x

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>>563155810
If only you knew how bad things are

>>563161302
An exception from what?

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>>563161302
It's even funnier when remembering this response of marek to the modder leaving a bad review months ago

>>563161575
https://www.captain-of-industry.com/modding-policy
Just the usual ameri-semitic corporate shenanigans

>>563161302
may all their belts be powered for long

>>563158819
I think speed controls were part of those small QoL side mods, not COI-E core. Some might still work.

>>563123936
Spite. Literally spite was stopping them.
The limited box-space of the blueprint designer is what they came up with to answer the players' continued clamoring for blueprinting, regardless of the fact that they never wanted it in their game from a gameplay design perspective. So they set out to create the most limiting and annoying way of *technically* being able to claim the feature was present and could be used, just so they could dismiss any more complaining about it. It's basically malicious compliance.

>>563150594
> jeet
> lip piercing
> spraycolor blue overcomb

Well, no wonder Satisfactory's code is a buggy ill-performing dumpster-fire.

>>563162795
xir/xer doesn't write any code

>>563161597
> some mods hooking during DLL load
So CoI mods are native code? Yeah- that has a long history of working well and not being an absolutely hole-riddled backdoor for getting malware onto players' systems via supply-chain compromise.

(God- Marek is a fucking idiot for not embedding a script language.)

>>563163039
Where there is one there is more, anon.

>>563163204
It's certainly not ideal, but people are responsible for whatever shit they download and execute. Imagine if the regular minecraft launcher stopped you from modding the game.

>>563162795
He only worked on vehicles before becoming a CM. You can thank him for the handling of the Explorer.

>>563154721
Official reasoning is for him filing "False" DMCA's against other modders. I wish he would have posted proof of the code he considered stolen. It would make his side of the story so much more convincing.

>>563164536
How would they even be able to judge whether the DMCA's takedowns are legitimate if they don't have access to the source code of his closed source mod?

>>563150594
community manager phenotype

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>>563154721
Wait is COI-E dead again? The creator made a reddit post a week or so after U4 launch saying he was back to supporting it.

>>563163204
It's the same thing with Stationeers, they even expect you to install BepInEx on your own.

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>>563166967
>From Keranik's (CoI-E creator) GitHub April 2nd
Am I reading this right? He got pissy about people using his code? For a mod? Something he couldn't ever legally monetize or use outside of CoI?

>>563168170
Is it common for mods to remain closed-source? I think my over-exposure to Factorio gave me weird expectations elsewhere.

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>>563168170
Is it modding that makes people insufferable or are insufferable people more likely to become modders?

>>563168459
I think it was pretty common during earlier modded minecraft days, but I think nowadays most of it is open over there as well
>>563171590
Honestly, 50/50

>>563171590
I imagine the rate is higher among people who would undertake a massive mod project rather than make small things or contribute to open source development. Combine that with a bit of confirmation bias from the sheer volume of mods.

>>563173765
Reminds me of the guy that created Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts. He was a modder for Total War that caused drama because his mod didn't win some gay-ass arbitrary award (aka a head pat from the devs). He ended up abandoning UAD because he couldn't take criticism and feedback, believing everything he did was gold and everyone else is wrong. I had a feeling when Keranik brought back CoI-E for U4 it wasn't gonna last long. The ego always rears its head again eventually with modders like this.

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>>563171590
Autism can have so many outlets anon, from creative endeavors, to interpersonal interactions.

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feesh.
Now I can tackle korlex, zipir and the xypoutpourri.

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Always greet your neighbors!

>>563187324
anus borms :DDDD

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only 2 more to blue cirx...

For those that wondered if Modulus was good.
So far, it's pretty decent. I would think of it as a kind of a puzzle factory, not unlike Shapez.
You have a set of wanted end products, but how you make them is entirely up to you.
It's very freeform, whether you have a few, or many intermediaries depends on how you design your lines.

I rebuilt my lines several times as I realized I could optimize things here and there shape-wise.
After all, combining shapes lets you condense, like stacks on belts in DSP and Factorio.
Speaking of stacks, you CAN use assemblers as stackers, literally nothing's stopping you but the 8-cube size limit.

>>563142592
Kind of. COI Extended added another tier of vehicles to replace the Mega ones, and moved the actual Mega Vehicles to a later tier with another 3x capacity.

>>563163204
>NO YOU CAN'T RUN WHAT YOU WANT IN A WAY YOU WANT IT'S NOT ELEGANT ENOUGH
who asked?

so uh, whats the best nullius fork for 2.0 right now? the dev branch on the main repo doesnt work out of the box and I am too lazy to fix all of the mod and dependency jsons myself

>>563171590
Modding requires spare time with no compensation.
Who has a lot of spare time?

>>563194261
>Modding requires spare time with no compensation.
Truly, modders are the jannies of the vidya world

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Main bus should not be a static, unchanging line of simple uniform products. Who gave it the sanctity of not having production chains built into it? Also, what's the plural of "bus"? Buses? Beece?

>>563201732
bussy

>>563201732
Okay, but why bus iron sticks when iron plates are twice as dense per belt, and you can just stick a couple assemblers near the recipes that make them instead

>>563202041
bus has what assemblers crave. it's got sticks.

Can I get game suggestions? I've only played Factorio and usually get bored around blue science (base) or after I get to the first planet (SA) since it feels like that the point, I've solved the game. It's just repeating designs, etc

Anything like a city builder or at least has some sort of 'you need to redo what you did because of x/y/z' like new recepies, new buildings, old buildings outdated etc and not just 'just repeat what you've been doing the past 100 hours'

>>563202896
yeah, factorio

>>563202896
Bit of a contradiction. If you need to turn 10 ore into 5 plates, and you currently have a design that turns 5 ore into 2.5 plates, then the obvious solution will always be to duplicate your build.

In cases where you can benefit from scale, you instead make a build which turns 500 ore into 400 plate for half the energy/plate or something while running at capacity, and then you attempt to both supply such a mammoth and handle it's outputs in order to make it worth using. Once that's done, if you use it to scale up, you then run into the same problem, where the obvious solution will always be to duplicate your build, because your build was right.

>however
Satisfactory. You will be power-choked and, as you unlock further researches and stages and obtain random unlocks, the most efficient method of production will change for basic materials, such that early builds will be insufficient both in scale and method and won't even be building things you need anymore.

You may recognize this as a complaint given in this thread, but one man's complaint is another's praise, sometimes.

Also, all the other things annoying about satisfactory, but that's on you to decide if you like them.

>>563204180
I do like all the alternate recipes you can unlock, probably my favorite part of the game.

>>563204180
Also to note is that, in that game, you can le sip you're are morning coffee while petting a heckin' doggerino who just dug up two reddit gold for your fifteenth cake day.
This is because Satisfactory has no scaling. None whatsoever. You -CAN- theoretically extract more resources using the SAM nodes as wildcards, but even they are finite, and will run you into the ground with its UE5 limitations, if the fluid system doesn't.
The only way a factory grows in Satisfactory is in beauty.

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what if I told you you *don't* actually need to bother with sodium hydroxide for cellulose pre py-2 when hydroxide is a semi-precious resource only made from saline and can just chuck a lotta wood (free) into a box and cook it like you did in automation science, but better this time
>oh but the biofactory recipe uses 10 less wood/s and is smaller
who cares, I am making 100+ a second out of thin air and I'm not even using it, to get the same amount of cellulose I'd need 6 hydroxide a second and that's the entire output of my 2 salt mines combined
*and* I need the hydroxide for microfiber in the first place
just unga bunga it

>>563205449
I remember getting plenty of saline water from tar processing.
Or is py-2 actually science pack #6 or some shit because of the retarded naming and you're talking about lategame.

>>563206149
>I remember getting plenty of saline water from tar processing.
I remember getting my literally everything from tar processing, I wouldn't squander all the my precious tar I'm squeezing from 8 belts of raw coal to get saline of all bloody things.
Py2 is post-logi, it's the 4th science pack. 5th if you count military (don't).

d'egg

gegg

mibph

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>>563206425
loaded up my old save that died right before Arquads, also used that recipe
only in a spaghetti setup not remotely suited for Py

>>563214369
It's a decent recipe to pre-2: that's when you unlock both both a better hydroxide recipe that's 5 times more more productive at the cost of coke and better cellulose.
Saline as a whole isn't that big a deal, but 300/s for 6 hydroxide is quite terrible and it's a hard requirement later on.

>>563220967
Don't you get a salt mine right around that time? Should give you unlimited salty stuff, I remember the mining speed being crazy high.

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>wait I don't get it this puzzle seems oddly easy I-
>the Links randomly turn off
Oh

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Has anyone tried this one?

>>563163750
>He only worked on vehicles before becoming a CM.
Did he work on the cybertruck?

>>563185881
>Now I can tackle korlex, zipir and the xypoutpourri.
Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged

>>563231837
yes
not me tho

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>>563185881

>>563201732
Okay, but you also shouldn't build it with no room for expansion either. Because then you do as you are doing there and will be obligated to tear the whole thing up and replace it at some point. That's adding needless busywork.

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What's the name of that feeling where you know what you need to do but you're too worried about doing it perfectly and end up getting nothing done instead?
Instead of fixing major bottlenecks I end up fiddling with other minor crap instead.

This piece of shit has been blocked off for hours and I kept putting it off to fix it. Or is that just regular procrastination? Whatever it's called I'm just going to fix it now and draw out a blueprint while paused so I can stamp it down in the future when I need more. It takes me forever to come up with working designs which is probably the biggest issue.

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>>563238015

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>>562978168
Half the plant is built

>>563238369
I got over this by accepting that no matter what I do, how much time I spend, how much effort I put in or how many hours I sink into the gameor life the end product will always turn out like shit, it's unavoidable, so may as well just do what ever the fuck I'm gonna do and get it over with so I can move on.

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first shipment of polysilicon to new electronics factory :^)
I am putting as much as possible on trains, everything must be on trains this playthrough. I'm wondering if it's too rogue to ship naphtha around by train to transform to various useful products where it's needed.

>>563158819
>>563161812
can't you add a custom fourth game speed with a console command?

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>>563238015
I've been putting off my gold and aluminum factory and end up spending hours doing dumb shit like this simply because I want to see if I can.

>>563193914
Seems to me to be more like trying to avoid liability if a mod fucks anything up.
You know that even if legally they would be in the clear, physicians don't understand such a thing and will blame the devs for 'their game infecting my system'.
Imagine the death of sales if that will be the prominent review on steam.
So now that even if someone makes a mod that causes the system to shit the bed the dev can point to him saying earlier that they should not mod the game for stability reasons.

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It's getting closer...

I'm not ready, I'm not smeggin' ready!

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I just read that paused maintenance depots still give extra storage space. By making a ton of them you could build up a huge buffer that should make death spirals WAY slower and give you plenty of time to react to them.
Pic related is stupidly overkill but the island map has a ton of flat land so why not?
I think I'll end up cutting the train size in half or even more though. I'll just stick this next to my steel plant since all the other products are needed in much smaller amounts. I kind of want to try the new network trains before realizing you really don't need super high throughput for unit items compared to loose. I could probably get away with 1-2 T2 cargo wagons pulled by bidirectional T1 locomotives.

My last save needed about 8 maintenance1 depots @ 6k pop and I barely did any space launches so I wasn't using much red maintenance besides for mega vehicles and a FBR.
I'd love to get to 10k or even 20k pop so I can actually start messing around with offices and their bonuses.

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>>563244512
At least you'll have your train network ready to go. I didn't really like setting up aluminum but gold was pretty fun once it was all working.

I like doing the gold -> oil contract and gold -> Uranium so I ended up building a pretty big processing plant. Then I traded servers -> Gold ore to keep the cycle going once I mined out most the gold on my map. This time I'll make it far more compact instead.

>>563238015
>What's the name of that feeling where you know what you need to do but you're too worried about doing it perfectly and end up getting nothing done instead?
Is that a name for that? If so I would need to adopt it as my second name.
Maybe there is a japanese word that's describes it perfectly

>>563244512
fucken nice, are those pumps going over some retaining walls?
I'm thinking of doing something exactly like this, but putting off as much as I can too

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>>563247526
>that amount of gold
what for anon?

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>>563248315
Contracts mostly. They really nerfed nuclear so you need something like 4 or 8x as much uranium as you did in older patches.
There's a ton of contracts now for various things that might be way easier like food packs -> Uranium. If you did asteroid mining you could turn something like iron 1:1 into uranium for practically no pop cost besides the maintenance and fuel for vehicles. Or maybe you could even find a uranium asteroid? I only called down one as an experiment and it was almost all Iron.

>>563248535
TERRAIN
PULL UP

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>>563247810
I just put the narrow retaining wall between the pipe sections. It's simply an aesthetic thing.

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i have a confession, i killed jeb accidentally yesterday by not firing parachutes in time

>>563250260
oh right, but just fyi, I think you can in fact place pumps above it, it needs to be 1 tile higher though, I'm probably gonna go crazy when I finally attempt this

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Sensor but 2

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>>563238414
All that's left for the set up is to add the small turbo fuel plant using the byproducts of the current plant. This is 260 generators running off 1080/m rocket fuel for a total of 74,745mw with an added power booster.

>>563150782
>>563150594
>game made by a jeet
it was obvious

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>>563150782
>even the thumbnail has a rainbow visible
kek

>>563248315
Stockpiling gold is an end in of its own.

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>>563201732
how's my main bus
>>563234969
the starter base is destined to be torn up and paved over, the starter base must function to build the true factory. all bases are starter bases.

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Well that wasn't so bad. Test 93 had a link that stayed closed for long as fuck hence the @REP 13

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>>563252623
So the idea is:

>pump fuel from ground floor to the very top into 4 fluid buffers
>have the fuel come out of the buffers down into 24 fuel gens (4 on each level)

No idea if it'll work, or how I'll make it work but I'm committed now.

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>>563261361
I did something similar to this once but I pumped crude and water to the top, refined it on the top 3 floors and then had the next 5 floors down be gens.
What I found was pipeslop would mean the gens on supply extremities would flicker which drove me fucking mad.

>>563221654
>Don't you get a salt mine right around that time? Should give you unlimited salty stuff
I have two salt mines. They yield 15 salt each, which turns into 150 saline.
I get 2 hydroxide a second for every 100 units of saline.
That's 6 hydroxide a second, using the entirety of my salt reserves and completely disregarding everything else that might need saline like seaweed, fish etc. So I'm capped at 5/s as a theoretical maximum throughput for something that becomes incredibly ubiquitous for everything from fiberboard to fibercloth and many others. Salt2 fixes it, but salt2 is py2, and hydroxide is in demand *right now*. If I can cut on hydroxide use for cellulose (for substrate, which is ubiquitous) then I'll take a more wood-haevy and space-inefficient recipe that just works.

>>563260782
>done in half a day
Had me doubting my skill until I realized that maintaining the minimum activity level of 4 probably made this a much bigger challenge than it normally is.

because as I remembered it, it was so bad, actually

>>563259675
bro are those tier 1 assemblers

>>563263175
where? everything is either tier 2 or tier 3, and most of it is filled with modules of some variety. ive got a lot of vestigal steel furnaces from when i upgraded to electric and didnt want to stop production flow, but no tier 1 assemblers i think.