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>Falcom Games
https://pastebin.com/DsiJppXk
>Pastebin (aka music)
https://pastebin.com/G2mswYCt
>Extra Stuff (guides, downloads, undub patches)
https://pastebin.com/n2G4xL5s
>Games, mods, saves, pre-patched translations
https://nyaa.si/user/Ganba
https://nyaa.si/view/1749605
https://nyaa.si/view/1749617
>Translation patches for Hajimari, Oath in Felghana, Kuro 1 and Kuro 2
https://pastebin.com/g7PfH0bL
>Kai MTL patch
https://files.catbox.moe/ygv0l2.7z
UPDATED: 03/11
https://www.gematsu.com/2026/03/falcom-to-announce-final-trails-game-d uring-50th-anniversary
>Falcom plans to announce the final entry in the Trails series during the company’s 50th anniversary (2031) and complete it during its 51st year (2032).
>Kyoto Xanadu trailer
https://youtu.be/CelHI1lRCYQ?si=RV2dwP6A3CL5I98p
>Trails in the Sky 2nd Chapter Gameplay Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09CpH5vaZKM
>Trails in the Sky 2nd Chapter is confirmed 2026.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4225980/Trails_in_the_Sky_2nd_Chapt er/
>New footage for 2nd Chapter
https://youtu.be/TbzLprvv0bc?si=h2Ge5aMKRjzNW-SF
>Falcom's Shareholders Meetings 2025 Q&A thread
https://x.com/michsuzu/status/2001538421702168955#m
>Edia to port PC-Engine Ys, Dragon Slayer and The Legend of Xanadu games to modern platforms
https://www.gematsu.com/2025/09/edia-to-port-pc-engine-ys-dragon-slaye r-the-legend-of-heroes-and-the-lege nd-of-xanadu-games-to-modern-platfo rms
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lil' ronnie...
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>>563284315
Milliumas Jusis's intelligent weapon
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anies would have been better as a yandere
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Wazy is one of us.
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I can understand american \ joke translations but holy crap a kid like KeA in my country would have everything since elementary school for free, not a single cent asked to her family. Imagine having college debts when you are a genius lol.
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Kai 2 will be Their Game and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Gooning to Sara's buttcrack
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Anons, What happened? Did they fire Falcom's pantsu fetish staff members?
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>>563295316
KeA was into an intermediate school which was doing equations which is a middle school curriculum. So we can easily think the church covers till high school, after that you go private or you get a job, just like it should be irl. For the state schoolarship is enough.
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Says a lot about this piece of shit general that the only reaction to new footage is "oh noes we can't has anime panties"
No one so much as mentioned the genuinely cool and high quality animations for the Crafts
You all should be killed desu
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>>563299643
it's crazy that they modeled panties for Anelace which you can see in her crafts but Estelle gets this stuffy looking diaper that doesn't fit this outfit, at all. Why not just tweak the skirt so it stays glued to her ass if you don't wanna sexualize her. Stupid and Lazy. Falcom stinky.
on the other hand the Anelace MC theory is gaining traction.
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>>563304178
Haha... sorry I forgor..
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Crois Bell. I get it now.
Very clever, Falcom-sama...
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>>563303671
I can throw shit around and applaud the great animation of the shit parabola. But it's still (censored) shit. Also: femoid, go back to your cats, the only living beings who love you.
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>>563305032
Don't reply to my posts if you're autistic, thanks
>>563305070
Yeah I suppose I agree, they made the coomskulls feel welcomed for far too long
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>>563305032
>Mondblut would be having a 4 sentence minimum melty about JC panties, Jolda and post a picture of Altina from CS4 in her bikini.
That sounds really based, why do people hate this guy?
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>>563305032
>Jolda
She's our last line of defense, anon. If Jolda pantsu fall it's over. Show some respect, the JC loli will be the Canary in the Coalmine for Falcom's future. Will she flash us her beautiful black pantsu or will she deny us that delicious glimpse?
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>>563306468
What do you think about this character?
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>>563306821
I wouldn't be surprised if they make her skirt longer or give her spats in Kai 2, I have no expectations when they've shown they follow western tranny standards in Sky remake.
Tita didn't get panties in a single one of her costumes.
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why don't men look and act like this?
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>>563307090
Pretty.
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>>563307039
That level of perfection is exclusive.
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>>563307983
I didn't get into Kiseki until 2021 anon. Unlike some people I can still admit the remake is a great game but I will never support censorshit. I made sure to mod Tita naked in spite of them making her so sexy just to censor her outfits.
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>>563308394
>I didn't get into Kiseki until 2021 anon
Shocking
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both cute, both canon
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>>563307983
We had the Agate x Tita to make up for it.
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Is jingo ashleigh and sigmund's daughter? I mean, ashleigh is in the business, probably another hot mom, jingo has red hairs (not a common trait in zemuria) and an attitude, shirley is uncommonly calm around her...
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>>563309258
I'm not gay so I don't find it endearing to read post after post about how a guy is horny for a Trails character, daily, multiple times per hour
If you like reading that shit, good for you but it's not normal
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>>563299643
Gungho is demanding this for the "global audience" since Sky games are global releases.
Kyoto Xanadu isn't a global release and it's already back to otaku pandering.
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The consequences of 2016 are still felt to this day, pro-censorship tourists infiltrated right alongside the rest of the tourists and have subtly been trying to sneak in their christian soccer mom, suburban conservative "moralistic" agenda everywhere they can. Do not let them tell you Estelle is not censored.
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>>563314058
It's not censorship if the author himself changes it with no outsider pressure to do so. You misuse an alarmist term because your stance crumbles without it. And you are aware of it which is why you'll continue to stretch the definition and misuse it. No one will ever take you seriously when you need to rely on dishonest behaviour like that.
Falcom didn't want their flagship remake to appeal to base animals like you coomskulls, and they adjusted their character designs accordingly. That is not censorship. That is artistic vision and maturity. You are not wanted.
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>>563317006
YOUR butt can fart real loud!!!!!
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>>563317267
Yeah i can't prove how a shitton of jrpg got censored, japanese devs refused to release in the west for that in the last 15 years, even kiseki itself got shitty trannyslation and censorship even in cs.
Cmon man, it's not even funny. Why do you think you can't peek under the skirts anymore? You are a fucking idiot.
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>>563316253
Oh look, it's the same retard anon that appears everytime the censorship is brought up and attempts to make himself sound smart by ignoring the obvious implications of what's causing the censorship. Maybe you just ragebait Idk, I hope you're not unironically this stupid.
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>Yeah i can't prove how a shitton of jrpg got censored
Thanks for the honesty. You can't prove it.
Not interested in your delusions and your insults borne out of your personal bitterness and frustration.
Feel free to disengage now as you've admitted you make things up you cannot prove.
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>>563318725
Prove you didn't give me a blowjob 10 minutes ago while I was playing Ys X.
>>563318861
Not interested in your strange pivot to the MTL patch topic, but enjoy your robotic AI script.
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>>563319467
I like being in the right, i like to shit over retards like you that consider censorship good. You were never a fan, you are a cancer that is destroying my franchises and my hobby. It's not validation, is spite, you should be spit on wherever you go.
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fuck, marry, rape, kill
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grendel zolga was a more hype last boss than shaddai
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Are you gonna post a single sliver of evidence to prove Falcom is censoring themselves rather than choosing to willingly exercise their artistic freedom to not appeal to deviants that want to see the panties of children?
Don't bother replying if you're not gonna post actual factual proof, I am not interested in your emotions.
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>>563326573
Could've been great if Daybreak 2 gave a general gist of the grendels instead of being filled with forgettable filler bullshit. Man I wonder the rest of the Calvard arc would be if Daybreak 2 is not dogshit.
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>>563327001
>to not appeal to deviants that want to see the panties of children?
I mean I wouldn't phrase it that way, but you pointed the reason for censorship out yourself. To not cause westoid shitstorms by subhuman tourist faggots like you who can't differentiate between fictional characters and real people.
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>>563326458
An idea they forgot to implement because they had to do a renne + reverie idiots game. Because it was needed a fanservice game as the second chapter of a new arc.
I think the idea is the armor activates to eat your flow of power so you can contain it and avoid transforming or whatever the fuck.
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>>563327858
That's not censorship; that's not wanting people like you in the Falcom fandom.
Like I said, you have to misuse the word because that's all you have. I have dismantled you and made you overly emotional. It's over.
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>>563328147
They should've delayed Swin & Nadia's appearance to the third game alongside Rufus and Lapis. Them being in the second game is too early and they end up eating screentime and character developments that could've gone to the new cast of the arc. Also the Garden Master or whoever the fuck that dude is like a fucking Naruto filler villain bullshit holy shit he was so bad.
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>>563328898
he had potential. when he pulled this move it was a true "oh fug" moment, it just didn't go anywhere
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>>563326458
They're made up of shards, which are made up of ghosts.
That's why Grendel Zolga was Dingo, who was dead.
Van isn't a Kamen Rider; he's edgy Danny Phantom.
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>>563330357
Calvard could have done with more of ASO getting toku transformations. It's imbalanced with just Van and Judith. Aaron at the very least could have gotten something, maybe it'd actually have made him more of a character beyond the first game.
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THEY are mocking us again...
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>>563330990
wrong
aaron was not in control when he was Taikun
we just did mechas
xenoblade and trails kinda mirror each other in how many themes they share like some higher energy (wave existence/UDO - and orbal energy, mechas, the eternal recourrence and
an object/weapon/artifact thought to be of entirely different origins to modern tech
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>>563321872
fuck tio
marry tio
lick tio
smooch tio
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>>563330990
I am fucking pissed i love transformations like kamen or magical girls this looked cool as fuck and then, nothingburger. At least they "improved" the mechas after cs2 and they were plot relevant, this one looks like a stupid one trick pony.
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>>563332710
i think i should fuck fie
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What did Falcom mean by this?
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>>563334259
gladly
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>>563331443
It's true though, the "romance" in Sky is laughable teenage foid novel trash
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But that's ghey
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>>563334557
i'll make her bigger
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For me, it's Towa.
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>>563341040
Woke is hard to not be garbage, because the political statement must never allow for the plot to be nuanced at all. That's why Heiyue got whitewashed as protectors of easterners from the evil racists, because white bad nonwhite good.
That's why the bad guy in like half the quest is the exact same character model of a white guy with a moustache, why the white supremacist, why the comments about another white guy conning a poor immgirant became a thing.
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>>563341732
What skin color did the Capuas have?
What skin color did Dalmore and Gilbert have?
What skin color did Richard have?
What skin color did Weissmann have?
What skin color did Joachim have?
What skin color did Dieter have?
What skin color did Osborne have?
Do you need me to keep going?
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>>563342090
There's a difference between the bad guys being white in countries that are stated to be white and all the bad guys being white when there are minority-majority, minority-run cities like in Calvard.
Also Heiyue were bad guys until Calvard whitewashed them with "muh protectors from the real evil: white people".
>omg the bad guys are white in countries where practically everyone is white
Then you have CS2 where there are two "middle easterners" lol
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>>563344550
What's her skin color?
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>>563344948
Her backstory now has been literally confirmed to "I'm bad because white people made me" now we know Valis isn't all brown like Elsaim (the country that never hurts anyoe because hurting people is what white people do according to the woke arc)
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>>563341732
>because white bad nonwhite good
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>all the bad guys being white
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>brown woman
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>>563342736
>Heiyue were bad guys
Meh not really. They were the kiseki equivalent to a triad, it's not "evil" per se it's just mafia business. But considering how triads work irl is not that insane to think they "protect their own people" inside calvard just like it would happen in places like japan or hong kong.
I consider calvard woke as fuck but i wouldnt pass heiyue under the problem.
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>>563345562
What's her skin color?
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>>563346237
Not that i have proof heh, even arundel has red hair and i know how color coding works in asian media. But it's just something i nooticed. I can also say jingo hairs and shirley cs hairs are a bit similar but those games have 12 models total so it can be nothing.
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>>563345892
> But considering how triads work irl is not that insane to think they "protect their own people" inside calvard
You can say that about mafias too, look at the Italian Mafia. But every white mafia in Trails, including Calvard, is pure irredeemable evil
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>>563305934
you lost, hope you aren't reansis because i would refuse to talk about any of the good fanfics with someone this retarded and unwelcome.
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>>563304549
beyond the fact that it doesnt fit the outfit it straight up doesnt fit the dialogue. Estelle doesn't select that outfit. both schera and anal ace select it for her specifically to give her extra sex appeal. it's meant to neuron activate joshua.
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>>563307090
i feel like i should have her in my party but i also feel like I've played so many archers already that adding her to it is too much of a retread haha.
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>>563308756
>she skipped the tita bath scene
>She skipped the tita bath scene in the anime too.
do we tell her?
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>>563314296
if by westoids you mean CCC jews
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wrong
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>>563350565
Man i miss lego quartz. Fuck off "put the quartz and you have the spell" and all the bullshit on calvard. Azure was peak orbment and the right dose of tech in the system. They sucked the soul from the magic part since then.
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Imagine having a very tall Eternian wife
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Love my beautiful, cute, loving, supportive, caring, and adorable wife
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Chat, is this real?
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>>563354932
They ruined Millium
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*enters*
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>>563356883
how do we stop Falcoom from ruining Altina in future installments?
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Love my beautiful, cute, loving, supportive, caring, and adorable wife
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>>563358521
We just pray falcum doesn't become any more retarded than they are now
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CS Kea is a sex icon
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decide for me
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I see, this is the true power of a perfected cumdoll.
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>>563360059
>We just pray falcum doesn't become any more retarded than they are now
Best hope is probably her just not appearing after Calvard unfortunately.
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You're the only one who thinks this, Mondblut.
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>>563362847
>her just not appearing after Calvard
I'm only ok with this if
>rean also never appears
>rean/altina are confirmed married or dating
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She needs to show up in Kai with a button up uniform that makes audible stretch noises as the buttons barely contain her millium milk and a part where Jusis trips into them and suffocates. Altina breast envy too.
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>>563370726
>Uhhh it's a slow death that's why I occasionally stop the llm spam so I can fap to how slow your gay thread is that I will never leave.
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>>563350756
that too, now we gotta wonder how the under the table scene will play out
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>>563383939
thats what they want and what all of this endless shitposting and arcwarring is about
they want to destroy the general and make it unusable until people just get fed up and leave because they think that just because they hate kiseki/falcom now it means everyone else has to
and they won this place is deader than its ever been
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>>563385697
>The problem is that Falcom is dragging their heels continuing Kiseki.
Anon we literally just got Horizon and Sky 2nd is in September. Falcom is releasing a new game every six months which is crazy.
How on Earth are they "dragging their heels" just because they want to polish Horizon 2 so it's not another rushed Daybreak 2?
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>>563385880
>Anon we literally just got Horizon
Horizon came out almost two years ago.
>Sky 2nd is in September.
And? Who cares about a remake? That isn't continuing Kiseki. We've all already either played Sky or know everything that happens in it. Sky remakes only appeal to people who have never played Kiseki before, not the pre-existing fans.
Falcom used to release a new Kiseki game nearly every year, and there's going to be a three year gap between the last new Kiseki game and it's sequel. They're dragging their feet.
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>>563358521
how do i stop my tongue from lusting for altina's tummy and dfc?
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Let me share a story with you:
>be me
>be 20 years ago
>try DQVIII
>find it boring and drop it after 2 hours
>FFW to 5 years ago
>decide to give DQXI a chance
>find it boring and drop it after 2 hours
>move on
>never entered a single DQ thread on /v/
>never spent my time on any DQ general
With this story in mind, why do you engage with Trails if you no longer like it?
A grown adult should value his own limited time in this world and not dedicate it to things he doesn't like and that only provoke negative feelings
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Slurping on Shizuna's feet
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>>563389964
zamn
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>>563341507
No, Calvard is woke done right. Pretty much only Falcom can write a woke game in such a way that even right wingers will play it.
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>>563390521
Safe horny. If you still didn't get how this work, you are beyond salvation.
Bunnysuits were popular irl when in the past when there was the most censorship and control by the government. It's an exhaust valve made to get people like you distracted.
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>>563393342
Bunny suits aren't safe horny. Only weak shit like spats are. Don't try and drag Calvard down to the Sky remake's level.
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>>563393663
I don't even want to play sky remake, i will play the originals till the end of time.
Anyways, yeah bunny suits are safe horny. Check how many bunnysuits you have and how much pantyshots you can take. That's the definition of safe horny.
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>>563393791
Bunnysuits aren't designed to censor the butt and panties like spats are and so it doesn't mean that they're safe horny. Safe horny is the action of trying to counteract basic horny things like bunny suits, or panties, or swimsuits to reduce their horniness.
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>>563394025
>Safe horny is the action of trying to counteract basic horny things like bunny suits, or
No.
Safe horny by definition is "where character designs of female characters in games have their sexuality toned down to not trigger gaming journalists" you can of course change gaming journos to movie or series or whatever.
You are applying a standard of "sexually" which was created in the 20s when you couldnt have women wear bikinis in shores.
You are fooled by the bunnysuits and you have lost everything else. Nobody gets offended by bunnysuits because its not a thing we consider "sexual" anymore. You can like them, of course, i like those too, but those are part of the censorship, it's a decoy thinking you "own the libtards" or whatever and meanwhile you are eating an anti white woke censored game.
Considering how much people like you point to the bunnysuits and ignore the trannyslation, the complete retcon of calvard, three games of "white bad, migrants good", litterally every plot point of the game belongs to a woman and more, i would say the scheme was perfectly executed. You were played like a damn fiddle.
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>>563394501
>Nobody gets offended by bunnysuits because its not a thing we consider "sexual" anymore
Of course they are. I see what you're doing here. You're trying to change the definition of safe horny to include actual horny things to make people accept your safe horny slop. No, bunny suits are not safe horny. They're just horny. I reject your psyop.
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>>563394926
>trying to change the definition of safe horny
That's the real definition of the term. Look it anywhere, you simply used terms which you didn't know the means.
>>563394952
Yes, it's the exact definition of safe horny. And the fact you keep defending it it's the proof their plan was successful and you are a mindless drone. But keep lying to yourself, i don't care. You were never a fan, and never will be.
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>>563394926
I think they feel safe horny, but also a classsic JRPG trope since fucking Dragon Quest. I don't think Falcom put them in to fool people, but because it's a classic trope and Japs love bunny suits. Fuck, every moege has at least one h-scene with a bunny suit. Bunny suit is moreso tadition. I don't think it's more safe horny than swimsuits, which actually fit your safe horny definition more.
Personally I think bunny suits suck because they even make a loli look like a hag, since they accentuate the hips. It's a disgusting loli erasure tool.
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>>563395485
Swimsuits aren't safe horny, but there's certain designs that are clearly meant to curb their sexiness and be safe horny swimsuits. 1st does this. Everyone loves bunnysuits because they're horny, they're just not really the best fit for lolis as they're meant to accentuate a woman's curves and they have little to none.
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>>563395768
No, swimsuits exist because we don't associate them with perversion. It's shit sluts wear on the beach. So you can get away with them. Now imagine underwear or lingerie DLC costumes. Wouldn't happen. Swimsuits are more safe horny than bunny suits even since they are shit you see everywhere in RL without sexual connotation.
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>>563390415
I don't care about the anti white shit, but the tranny and LGBT propaganda was on par with westoid woke shit.
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>>563395495
I am not corrupting shit. You are entitled to like those, i like those too. But in this context they are an instrument of deception. You can enjoy it as long as you can understand you are playing woke garbage.
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>>563396638
The same page that you got your image from calls it a swimsuit.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1555251/The_Legend_of_Heroes_Sen_no _Kiseki_III__Altinas_Kitty_Noir_Cos tume/
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>>563396543
>the pit girls and the bunny suits are all more horny that the magical girl ones from CS4.
Retard, the Altina magical girl costumes are pure eros. They even added the lock in front of her womb, suggesting that you have to unlock her breeding potential.
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>>563397458
The lack of T and A does nothing for me. You could fantasise about the lock, but I prefer when the goods are actually there. It's not risque compared to most of CS4's swimsuit DLC. Better than Elise I guess.
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>>563397771
Nothing about the swimsuits is risque. It's shit you see on ghe beach and swimming pool. Are you having a perpetual boner when you go swimming during summer? On the other hand seeing girls run around like magical girl Altina would make it hard to suppress a hard on.
You don't see it every day, so you don't associate it with everyday or casual shit people wear in non sexual contexts and your brain associates it with vulnerability and innocence, which instantly adds to the desire to pump her full of your cum. The contrast between innocence and corruption thereof, as if teasing you to push her down and fuck her silly are pure eroticism.
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>>563395485
>It's a disgusting loli erasure tool.
What is with you old gen lolicons and hating a loli having any sort of meat? I can appreciate all types, except for oppai loli, that stuff is gross alot of the time.
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>>563398570
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>>563396438
kondo always wrote good LGBT characters tho
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>>563399645
Shit photoshop, doesn't look like proper pantsu. Look more like those underwear things grannies wear. They need to be slimmer at least you should see part of her tummy. This shit looks like it's fused with the skirt.
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>>563399440
I felt morally raped because Kai forced me to help Quatre get his hormone blockers from Remiferia. Literally what the fuck were Falcom thinking? The gay sidequest were bad, but this shit made me sick.
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>>563398889
>Of course it's hot when women wear swimsuits.
Again, when you see shit in non sexual contexts permanently, there is no sexual association anymore. The magical girl outfits are not everyday wear. So the sexual association is still there: a young girl ready to be defiled, a cumdoll willing to be pumped full of cum. The magical girl attire itself has an utterly arousing alure of youth and innocence to it. But it's not casual wear. Again: you are not desensitized to it since no one wears that shit in real life, unlike swimsuits.
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>>563400540
Thats easier then making an actual good game. Plus no passion for nuKiseki anyway.
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>>563294973
Same here. Education or even medical care all for free. Forever. Never had to pay for either. Even medication is for free. If I lose my job I get money from the government until I get a new job. How can Americans even be proud of their shit country not having this?
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>>563401270
Stockholm syndrome. I and many of the real fans that didn't start with cs wants to know how the story ends and they know it. They diluted the broth so much it's not even the same story and it shows. I have stopped giving them money since cs2, i'll keep downloading and using fanpatches. I am over with them but i hate to leave things in between.
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>>563401210
Just sounds like you burnt your dopamine receptors out. Swimsuits are definitely hot. The magical girl costumes can't compare to a good swimsuit that shows everything off. Something being more rare doesn't make it actually hotter. Why do you think the Japanese fetishise their school swimsuits?
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>>563402159
>Why do you think the Japanese fetishise their school swimsuits?
Because they are associated with the forbidden allure of youth. It's not about being swimwear, but rather embellishment for a forbidden fruit. After you exit high school you can't see those anymore, at least getting a glimpse would be rather illegal. It'similar to school uniforms or bloomers. It's fetish wear. That makes it hot as fuck.
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>>563402572
Except it's not just lolis that wear them in their media, and one piece swimsuits exist outside of schools. They like them because it's a shared experience that they've all gone through, especially during their puberty. It's something entirely normal and regular for them but it's hot.
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I am now free to play Kai, did they do anything with the battlesystem or is it still van coin toss spam and agnes nuking everything?
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>>563403023
It's not about being a loli but what this represents. That's why you see 20 something year old sluts in Japan's red light districts lure old men in wearing school uniforms. It's fetish you only associate with sex after graduating high school, even moreso because engaging with a real high school girl could end you up in jail. Even moreso with school swimsuits. At least the school uniforms you can gawk at during your commute to work in trains, but where can you see JC or JK girls in school swimsuits legally as a middle aged guy. That's why school swimsuits have such a fetish pull in Japan.
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>>563403503
It's not the innocence but the fact that they saw a bunch of them when they were younger and their mind was developing. In western countries even with the kinds of swimsuits being similar that people would wear in swim class you still don't get that fetish occurring because it's not as uniform and didn't influence our minds as much.
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>>563396034
>ywn be ridden by a horny Fie while she wears a shiny green swimsuit
Why live?
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>>563404063
Just see these Mondblut moments as a chance to go do something else for a bit while he keeps the general bumped with his mental illness
In that sense we're lucky to have retarded ritualposters and the mongoloid blogposter to keep this place going while the rest of us live a dignified life
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>>563405089
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Is sigmund peak jaegerism?
No bullshit or strange hobbies or interests.
Strict to the point, doesn't waste words.
If kills are needed, killing is done.
Actually respects the mc but doesn't treat him like jesus.
Never caught in some silly shit with the mc to have fun with. No funny scenes or "le silly" attitude with his comrades.
In for the mira, is not a chosen one with stupid magical powers or a piece of some kind of mystical puzzle. Even in the azure tree he was there just for the kicks.
Second in command of the strongest jaeger group (west zemuria).
Warcry was op as fuck before powercreep.
No savescum resurrections.
Huge, animal like, demands respect and fear instead of an average salaryman like the jaeger "king".
Has an hot daughter.
Cs totally shat on jaegers and i don't remember anything relevant from sky on that front. I haven't played calvard games but that "kasim" or something like that was just a "look how cool this not arios is with his huge retard gun".
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Jaegermind
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>>563407913
>this shit was kino
No one died despite Randy firing gunpowder bullets from a massive machine gun.
>>563407954
>raises genetic dead end daughter
>raids Crossbell
>not a single named character dies
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>>563408726
Well is not incorrect lol. Kasim is basically the lightning of kiseki. Every fucking time is "look how cool this guy is, is always saving the mc and his group" "oh i wonder what kasim is doing" "oh he is so important and famous even if we never heard of him in 10 games before him". He is basically arios in zero but way stupider. And the fact he uses his hugeasscannon in melee is retard.
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Every fucking time is "look how cool this guy is, is always saving the mc and his group" "oh i wonder what cassius is doing" "oh he is so important and famous even if we never heard of him in 10 games before him". He is basically John Kiseki but way stupider. And the fact he uses his stupidassbostaff against mecha robots is retard.
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>>563409658
If I hadn't played Sky how would I reference Cassius fighting the reverie with his staff at the end of Sky FC? Think your posts through, Pedrinho
>>563409779
The difference is Shizuna is white and Kasim isn't, so the chudcels hate him
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Dingo was so fucking stupid. Oh i wonder who is this mysterious power ranger like i can't think of a named, voiced character that "died" two hours ago in a series where nobody dies ever.
I mean it was really a plot twist? They meant it to be?
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>>563411963
Yeah, yeah, you just so happened to assume the mysterious murder machine HAD to be a character that had recently died, that was something your intuition just clocked
Imagine being so pathetic you need to act tough on the Internet while being anonymous rofl
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>>563412108
>mysterious murder machine HAD to be a character that had recently died
Oh no i've never seen this trope in any anime\jrpg before or just in the last fucking chapter of this series, ever.
For fuck sake man just stop. I think even naruto is too difficult for you.
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Yeah nah, don’t believe you.
You knew Dingo was C when he just died and this character is warning ASO about a threat in the near-future?
Don’t believe you.
That’s like claiming you solved Osborbe’s riddle in CS2.
There is no way to make sense of it unless you are a Falcom writer.
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>>563407954
>If kills are needed, killing is done.
>Cs totally shat on jaegers and i don't remember anything relevant from sky on that front
Sky introduced jaegers as an actual threat when the Hamel incident came to light.
Cold Steel has a group of jaegers literally burn an entire town to the ground and kill their mayor, among other casualties.
The Red Constellation however, despite your glazing, doesn't kill a single named character in Azure, neither in Mainz nor in Crossbell, and ends up being a joke when they flee the Azure Tree after two honorable fights that "test your resolve".
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>>563413342
>doesn't kill a single named character in Azure, neither in Mainz nor in Crossbell
Have you... played the game?
>The red constellation didn't kill a single named character in crossbell.
Really?
In any case, nobody kills anyone in those games but at least they left bodies on the ground not offscreen.
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>>563413612
>In any case, nobody kills anyone in those games
They do, though, in Sky and Cold Steel.
And you just glazed the Red Constellation for being "real jaegers" who kill when necessary, so that's already a contradiction in just two posts you made.
CS haters really are the bottom of the barrel, huh?
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>>563413630
>could've been Rufus
Yeah of course i have to think the one that has no ties with the class is C, not the one that slipped aside in the mines, was suspiciously absent during the fight and after that came back wasn't him. Or the one that is litterally presented after a fluttering crow in the intro, no wait i should ignore that right? I should also ignore the fact crow already gave me enough red flags on how he hates the chancellor, or the fact that all the terrorist goes with the first letter of their names, of course it was Crufus Albarea. How strange crow always slacks around and is never present during the front operations, man what an absurd coincidence he's really a goofball right? Or crow disappearing COINCIDENTALLY before osborne got shot because man he really wanted to see that speech by person. Nah it's fucking rufus using an ambidextrous weapon because of course the only boy that has specifically that skill can't be C.
You are a fucking retard. Read some preschool mistery books they are more at your speed.
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>>563414160
In just CS 1 and 2 there're Gideon, Otto, Roan,OsborneandCrowas known, named characters who die on-screen. More unnamed people can be seen dying in Nord and Garrelia, and the news are full of death reports during the civil war.
You're factually wrong and will be wrong every time you repeat your delusional "arguments".
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Total important deaths in Sky: 2. Loewe and Weissmann.
Total important deaths in Crossbell: 3. Joachim, Comrade G, and Pater Mater.
Total important deaths in Cold Steel: 1. Comrade V.
Total important deaths in Calvard: -1. Revived Pater Mater and other deaths are in limbo.
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The funniest thing is these "enlightened" individuals that can see the twists and reveals from a mile away... never predict anything accurately lmao
This guy will sit here telling us it was obvious who C was but will be incapable of predicting Kyoto Xanadu's plot and Kai 2's villain
But don't worry, 2 years from now he'll be posting about how obvious it all was
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>>563413862
The red constellations are the ONLY jaegers that kill people on screen. Not in an hazy flashback, not offscreen, not by citation. No fake deaths, just a lot of bullets and blood. You litterally see them killing gruesomely.
Just for that they are first in the list.
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/fg/ kept on telling me that they thought Claire was C, Cedric was C the second, Harwood was the red grendel, and Agnes was the white grendel. Why should I ever believe someone here when they say they can predict the plot?
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>>563416629
Chadric is Richard the second
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>>563390415
>Pretty much only Falcom can write a woke game in such a way that even right wingers will play it.
You mean, write it as the 11th game so people who aren't anti-white seething leftists have to bite their tongue and deal with it? That's always how woke operates, they can't create shit, they always hijack something existing.
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>>563402435
>You're not helping some troon live its fantasy of taking dick up the ass and submitting to a muscular man.
>just ignore he's experimenting
>just ignore that he runs a vtuber channel as a girl
>just ignore he cleraly has a crush on Van as well as Agnes
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>>563416785
You've heard nonsense, CS1-CS2 are the best selling Trails games for a reason.https://streamable.com/y4y70a?src=player-page-share
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Well, I did consider Dingo as one of the possibilities for the coated man. It could be some Alternate-Van too. Rufus could also be a possibility when it was revealed that Altera=Lapis. There is no real logic behind it other than "It's a Falcom thing to do".
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>>563415126
>We're talking about the civil war
You literally said "Nobody dies in Cold Steel" one post prior >>563414160, nothing about the civil war specifically.
Mouthbreathing retard lmao.
Being a CS hater seems to require at most a sub 80IQ.
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>>563416628
Dingo as C?
Hmmm nothing exceptional. I mean crow was braindead you had a billion hints.
The blatant redflags about him as C was the style of his messages which were a lot professional and verbose, but if you didn't play with the real translation you could easily overlooked it and the fact that C knew events of van past that only dingo could have known. Of course it wasn't like crow a 100% i am sure its him but after crossing some suspects (and after cs you know those dumbfucks are always around the party and not a random maniac) you go for the "it's an important character for a lot of named characters and they kill him after 10 minutes" in a gimmick and classified incident.
Again not a 100% like crow but holy fuck after 2 C you should start to see it coming.
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Oh also this holy shit after dark rean on reverie you can think falcom is that empty to repeat that stupid as fuck gimmick again but i hoped not. I was ready to uninstall if that was the case.
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>>563417560
>gets all the jaeger tots
That's good enough for Cedric, he doesn't deserve badass moments after like 6 months of training. Rean started at Thors with 7 years of swordsmanship and was struggling.
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>>563418262
I stopped playing after kuro 2 and i am not interested in this arc any more.
You are still a dumb fuck not seeing one for the stupidest plot twist in the history of jrpg. No matter how defensive you can be, you are still dumb.
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>>563415315
>Gideon dies in Azure, and in Crossbell.
An unnamed NPC dies in Azure. Cold Steel gave him a name, a face and a personality.
>Crow doesn’t die and neither does Osborne, and yes that is taking into account every single thing regarding their situations.
Again, factually wrong. You didn't understand what it means to be an Awakener.
Claiming that their situations aren't important is pure cope.
>Nobody died in Garrelia.
Plenty of soldiers and terrorists were mowed down and killed. Play the games. I'm not talking about the Zero Aieon's attack way later; that outcome was foreshadowed all the way back in Azure when KeA said that she influenced the Aieon's actions to be non-lethal.
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>waaah it is anti-white
Not once is anyone in Calvard ever condemned for being white.
Almata is not a white supremacist organization, they literally grift racist old white dudes, who remain largely in the background. The exception being Elaine’s dad.
We see morally ambiguous characters like Kasim, Cronkite, Shizuna and Ikaruga, Heiyue and others that are not white.
Agnes felt uneasy about the fact Heiyue controls Langport.
The Scorpions of Zahat prey and drug a child grieving the loss of his entire village; probably the most objectively evil thing one can do is committed by Central Easterns.
The Far East where Shizuna is from is
described as locked in ceaseless conflict.
None of you ever make salient points. If you approached the rest of the series with this mindset we would have had tired arguments about Sky being woke over interactions like the ones Schera and General Morgan have, simply because she is not white and he is.
But no, only in Calvard does your mind wander to these stupid thoughts were you see Dantes blow up a nuke and think
>oh he did it because he is white! he was also in the devil pedo cult because he is white! the game never says that but that is totally the message!!
Stupid, stupid people arguing with other stupid, detached-from-reality idiots.
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Tell me it wouldn't be Kino if Cedric shows up again, the Divine Knights are back, and Cedric gets in Testa-Rossa and says:
>I'm glad to see you again, Testa-Rossa... This time, let's do this right
>You've grown during this time, Cedric. I'm proud of you.
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>>563415627
>Total important deaths in Sky: 2. Loewe and Weissmann.
Both of those return in the 3rd.
>Total important deaths in Crossbell: 3. Joachim, Comrade G, and Pater Mater.
lmao
A villain, an unnamed rebel and a machine.
>Total important deaths in Cold Steel: 1. Comrade V.
See >>563414757
Your arc will never stop being filler, Crosscuck.
Nobody of importance dies in Crossbell.
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>>563418658
>Cedric shows up again
Yeah. But not as a silly character like gilbert a real threat this time.
>the Divine Knights are back
Holy fuck no.
>Cedric gets in Testa-Rossa
It would be more fun if he gets the weapon Testa-Rossa and he can use it like Randy and the reason why he has it is because Shirley ispregnant.
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>>563418473
A dude with a portrait dies in Crossbell. So yes, Gideon dies in Crossbell, not Cold Steel.
>factually wrong
Your argument? Yeah, I know. To the player, Crow and Osborne never die. Crow “dies,” we go what the finale of CS2 without seeing him and he shows up in the next game, we learn how and why he is alive, in 4 Rean braces himself for his “real” death since the start but no, he is brought “back to life” despite not dying except for a few months.
Crow does not kill Osborne. Osborne has not had a heart for years when he was shot.
>terrorists mowed down and killed
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It's honestly understandable that people defend Daybreak as not woke. It must be hard to go through ten games you enjoy then be hit with that nonsense
That's how woke operates, they rarely create any new IPs and when they do they usually flop hard, so they take over what exists, wit hexisting fanbases
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>DK are back
It's going to happen, dude. We're going to the Beyond sooner or later. Or the veil between the Beyond and Zemuria is going to weaken. And that's where the DKss are.
I don't think they'll bring Cedric back as a silly character like Gilbert, he beat the stuffing out of him in Reverie
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This guy was glazing Orlando (and Shirley) as "peak jaegerism" for shooting a handful of unnamed rebel NPCs in Azure, but ignores that they failed to kill even a single named NPC or main character in Crossbell or Mainz during their raids.
Even the woman who had a huge chandelier dropped onto her or the CPD secretary who was caught in a grenade explosion came out alive and well.
But Northern Jaegers raiding and burning down a town in Cold Steel, killing its mayor and destroying the source of income for every merchant and farmer, is too tame and "shitting on jaegers".
lol
Even Vulcan kills more soldiers on-screen with his minigun than Orlando does and actually has the decency to give his life for his mission instead of fleeing after his failure like Orlando did.
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>>563419528
We had 5 games of those, it was really starting to get boring considering they are a glorified rock paper scissors. I am not against seeing them or talking to them or whatever doing something with them but no more fucking gundam piloting.
They could go zolgas and become power armors tho, it would be cool.
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>>563419778
>raiding and burning down a town in Cold Steel
RC basically torched crossbell but i am sure a bumfuck village of 4 houses is more important and the damages were way over cb. Probably just the damages in front of the IBC cost 10 times the damages in the entire village lmao who gives a shit.
>handful of unnamed rebel NPCs in Azure
They were litterally a terrorist commando, full armed, the nj tried (lol) and didn't get to kill not even a single unarmed farmer except an old guy. And again kills on screen > kills offscreen and the only effect is an old dude in a bed tuckered down for the night.
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Sigmvnd, Shirley and Wald, the most ruthless and brutal kiseki villains... (zero named casualties in Azure after a full scale raid, open warfare with the CDF in Mainz and three battles to the death on the Tree)
PEAK jaegerism and demonism...
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>Source?
https://youtu.be/oTlTBp7hfI4?t=858
On your knees and begging for mercy, dog.
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>>563420635
Play the games?
Incidentally, Jaegers also murder soldiers on-screen during the prologue sequence of Cold Steel 3 at Juno, but I'm sure you don't remember that either lol.
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>>563420725
Got it.
But then again, you were wrong about everything else and thus we circle back to>>563414778
>m-muh nameless NPCs
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>>563421261
We're not falling for your bait, Crosscuck. You've been wrong about everything so far and even had visual proof shoved into your face just minutes ago.
If you want your bait to be believable, you can't just continue like this.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP LLLOYD KID YOUR ARC IS SHIT SKY IS BEST FRIENDS WITH US CODL STEEL CHADS PLEASE JUST LEAVE US ALONE WE'VE DONE NOTHING TO YOU TOU FUCKING IDIOTS YOUR ARC IS THE WORT IN THE SERIES EVEN WORSE THAN CALVARD
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>Rean job to Cao
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>Sky and cb were more or less on equal stand
lol
No they aren't, Crosscuck.
Lloyd is a shonen MC who does bracer work for the police and convinces the big bad behind everything to stop his schemes through talk no jutsu.
Crossbell is a literal filler arc.
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>T-The villains aren't white supremacists, they're just funded by them! by the way "white" as in "caucasian" was never used in the series before the same game as "whtie supremacist". Not at all anti-white though
>Agnes felt uneasy about the fact Heiyue controls Langport.
And then spent three games doing their dirty work together wit hthe rest of ASO. Including Aaron, who is Gien's bitch despite being complicit in murdering his friends. We're supposed to not hate Gien?
Speaking of Heiyue, they're not white, can't have them be bad, they're now protectors against the only race allowed to be bad- white people.
>We see morally ambiguous characters like Kasim, Cronkite, Shizuna and Ikaruga, Heiyue and others that are not white.
Kasim: Just a jaeger doing a security contract, nothing ambiguous
Cronkite: Hasn't done anything wrong
Shizuna, Ikaruga: Jaegers
Heiyue: Whitewashed (funny word considering)
>But no, only in Calvard does your mind wander to these stupid thoughts were you see Dantes blow up a nuke and think
The entire setting made it about race even though it wasn't. Gramheart made a "diversity is our strength" speech.
>The Scorpions of Zahat prey and drug a child grieving the loss of his entire village; probably the most objectively evil thing one can do is committed by Central Easterns.
It is one of the few exceptions, the Scorpions of Zahat are kinda scummy, but 1 quest doesn't override three games.
>The Far East where Shizuna is from is described as locked in ceaseless conflict.
yeah and so was Calvard until we got there. When we get there it'll be fucking Wakanda. And the funny thing is practically all of /fg/ thinks it will be Wakanda.
I just go back to the usual facts
All the best fighters are immigrants (Kasim and Shizuna), there are zero Calvardian fighting styles, all four are immigrant.
All the best scientists are immigrants, the two major white scientists are an Almata conspirator (Later a corpse) and a bimbo.
Also Dingo. Just Dingo.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP REAN KID YOUR ARC IS SHIT SKY IS BEST FRIENDS WITH US CROSS BLEL CHADS PLEASE JUST LEAVE US ALONE WE'VE DONE NOTHING TO YOU TOU FUCKING IDIOTS YOUR ARC IS THE WORT IN THE SERIES EVEN WORSE THAN CALVARD
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>>563422101
>muh nameless NPCs!!
In Crossbell, yes, no named character dies besides Joachim (a literal comically evil villain) unlike Cold Steel where you know the casualties by name and actually spent time with them before their deaths.
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I'm not joking, these constant cortisol spikes due to your hatred for Cold Steel are gonna ruin your health
There's already 2 anons that developed early onset Parkinson's because they hated Rean too much for far too long
Fix your shit before you genuinely ruin your health...
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>>563423898
It can never really be fully explained logically because the person doing it is genuinely mentally ill and refuses his medication, so a lot of his actions are illogical
But it amounts to
>Cold Steel wasn't exactly what I wanted so I feel personally betrayed by Falcom
>I will now dedicate the rest of my life to hurting a video game character on the Internet
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>>563422865
>heiyue got whitewashed
I am not surprised wokefag has no idea how the Yakuza or Italian mobs form.
>do Heiyue’s dirty work
When? The first Langport visit is about stopping Almata, the second is a waste of time thought up by Cao meant to push character development on Aaron.
Calvard isn’t about race. No one but you sees that.
>Kasim and Cronkite are not morally ambiguous
Oh yeah, MTSC and helping the president kill the box was done for the good of the world.
>Shizuna, Heiyue
Yeah, people killing people for money or other personal gain are not at all morally ambiguous.
I want to know what you are smoking to think Calvard dealing with immigration and racism means people are literally murking each other by siccing jaegers to each other, like in the far east.
Again, no argument from wokefag. Just more mental illness and fanfic.
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>>563423898
Cold steel wanted cheap money so they went full for the school shonen. Many other jrpgs went that way (valk chronicles is an example) in the psp\vita era. The others failed miserably cs was... ok-ish. Cs ofc was uglier (neptunia dungeons with immense corridors, early ps2 models) and coming from the gorgeous spritework of sky and cb it was lame. Cs was a phallocentric arc of a self insert character which you can like or not. They dumbed down the orbments, the fights, stealing turns wasn't important anymore and so on and so forth. Also the plotline was a nothingburger, all the ouroboros stuff jumped chapter by chapter with tee-hee see ya next time and solved (badly) on the fanservice game (reverie). Add a lot of dumb shonen plot twist, people coming back to life all the times making the stakes basically 0 because you know every death was fake. All summed up, it was "ok" but very inferior in terms of worldbuilding, characters and gameplay.
Calvard is just woke shit with a very weak mc, very weak group, the second game is basically the "fanservice game" like sky3 or reverie and is centered around filler characters from reverie and not even the main group. I don't know about kai but they called back rean (mc of cs) and kevin a fan favourite from sky just saying how much desperate they are.
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>>563426505
Too much an obvious Lelouch expy.
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>>563426749
Imagine a cool fantasy political drama with heimldarr and the dk made of soulful sprites and rich enviroments instead we had the pffff student council and the pffff school festival.
Man that's so fucking lame.
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>>563426749
The ambition was there.
It just needed better execution.
If Falcom had had the balls to either not go for the HS setting or to abandon the “not-bracer doing bracer shit” formula it would all have been for the better.
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A workout, if you're doing it right.
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>>563427923
I think so.
Even if it was a given with how Crossbell ended, I do think bringing back these characters little by little and planning this grandiose finale framed with an all-encompassing world war is ambitious.
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I recently finished Trails to Azure and came to this thread to share my thoughts, and it's surprising to see people glazing it so much.
It really felt like a step down from Sky in pretty much every aspect.
Lloyd is one of the blandest protagonists I have ever seen, especially after Estelle, Joshua and Kevin raised my expectations tremendously. Seeing him be overshadowed by Randy at every opportunity just felt like a humiliation ritual at some point.
It certainly didn't help that every female side character turned into a Lloydbrained concubine after 5 minutes of knowing him. I swear, Elie and Tio were throwing in jealous remarks whenever he talked to another woman as soon as act 2 of Trails to Zero, and Noel immediately joined in on their obsession once she'd joined in Azure. But, aside from being cute, we're never given a proper reason as to why they like him in the first place.
The whole SSS just didn't feel as naturally developed as Sky's cast of characters who actually underwent drama and character growth at times.
The worldbuilding from Sky completely went up in flames once we entered Crossbell with its modern cityscape, amusement parks, skyscrapers and high tech appliances all over the place.
Remember how big of a deal that escalator in Zeiss was? I do.
I don't have any complaints about the Revache plot from Zero, but the entire league of supervillains from Azure (including Ouroboros) was a complete joke.
Wald is an edgy delinquent who repeats the exact same character arc his underling already underwent in Trails from Zero, down to the drug he's taking.
Shirley is equally edgy and I really didn't like her rivalry with Rixia.
Ouroboros went from super ruthless in Sky to joining skype calls and serving as minor villains for Grimwood.
And Grimwood himself, the mastermind behind everything bad happening in those games, literally threw in the towel and gave up on his plans after Lloyd told him that his actions were wrong. Imagine if Weissmann had done that.
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>>563424604
>am not surprised wokefag has no idea how the Yakuza or Italian mobs form.
For the 104th time you can't use that line when all the white mafias are evil
>but muh Garcia
Is one guy who gets a redemption arc within the evil mafia
>When are you doing Heiyue's dirty work, except all the time you're doing Heiyue's dirty work
lmao
>Completely ignored everything I said about all the best people in every field being immigrants, again
>Oh yeah, MTSC and helping the president kill the box was done for the good of the world.
... yes? What the fuck? The entire point of blowing up the box is to stop the loops? How is that a bad thing? You can say it's a doomed venture but it's not at all morally ambiguous
Also, I've heard for ages about how jaegers aren't really considered bad since Cold Steel and how Shirley having a swimming competition was bad and now Shizuna has a swimming competition and constantly hangs around Van in his office and at most it's considered a funny annoyance look she's bothering Van again ha ha
>Calvard isn’t about race. No one but you sees that.
This is how I know you're taking the piss. Every fucking game there's extremely racialised quests. The single historical event in Calvard is extremely racialised itself.
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>>563428859
Yeah in my annual full play trough all the games i always skip cs3. It's so fucking boring, just a presentation chapter and nothng else.
CS2 was fucking weak on the "get the group together again" but at least it paid off in the end.
CS3 is nothing, really.
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>>563429276
Tita's parents came into Zeiss in two single person flying jetcars.
Gas powered vehicles and modern day (or near modern day firearms) were literally phased out like 50 years prior for orbal tech.
And of course, airships which fly in a way that real life planes just can't.
Honestly? I blame this criticism on Americans who have never seen a European city like Amsterdam and think that not having skyscrapers means you're backwards.
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>>563428859
I disagree.
I think an ending with more definitively sadder, or at least more bitter than sweet would have been bolder and more befitting for CS2.
I kinda get you, but honestly I think CS3 and its Class VII did the whole high school thing better than CS1 and its Class VII.
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>>563429276
Last but not least, I've now played two games set in Crossbell and spent 200+ hours talking to these same NPCs over and over again, but I don't feel like the story has actually gone anywhere.
Unlike Sky, there was no epilogue, no conclusion for any of these characters. We're just told that Erebonia invaded and that's it. No conclusion for Oscar and Bennet, the miners of Mainz, or anyone else.
It feels like a filler arc they made between Sky and Cold Steel that had a strong start, but no ending ever prepared for it.
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>It feels like a filler arc they made between Sky and Cold Steel
That's because it literally is. Falcom made the Crossbell games in Sky's engine while they worked in Cold Steel, their first 3D games and the next big arc. That's why Crossbell feels so half-baked at times and barely introduces new areas between Zero and Azure.
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Politics in Crossbell are like 20 times more mature than those in Sky though? The poltiics in Sky are the second worst after in Calvard
>Anything Alicia says is peak wisdom, nobility bad except Alicia
>when Alicia is wrong she's actually right
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I felt the same way about Crossbell.
Cold Steel reintroduces epilogues where you get a proper conclusion after the major events are over, and generally does a better job with the worldbuilding and character development.
Rean outclasses Lloyd as a protagonist so badly it's not even funny.
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ngl I chuckled a little bit every time I am reminded some people look at Queen Alicia and seethe
she's meant to be this nice grandma figure for the player yet she causes so much anal anguish on a certain crowd lmao
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Not everyone has as much stamina as they think though lol. Sometimes you gotta give reminders for those to pace themselves, and drink some water haha.
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lol nah.
>>563429252
Yeah, and the last few chapters have been great actually. Lot of good characterization for a number of characters, Crow especially as it doesn't downplay how manipulative and scummy his behavior is but instead contrasts it with some genuine respect for Class VII and Elise (she even actually managed to gain the upper hand in the fight with him in the mines through a clever misdirection rather than overpowering him). It's actually just gotten to the Ymir drama CD section, with some of its own unique twists to it (Alfin and Musse joined there, with the latter having a surprisingly deep and tense conversation with Millium about Osborne's manipulations and him potentially targeting Elise).
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>I blame this criticism on Americans who have never seen a European city like Amsterdam and think that not having skyscrapers means you're backwards
I'm not American, but pretending that Croissbell's modern cityscape and Mishelam are in any way in line with Sky's worldbuilding is ridiculous.
Liberl was supposed to be this technologically advanced nation whose progress in orbal technology secured them a tight victory over the Erebonian Empire 10 years ago. But while they're still living in the middle ages, every Crossbellan household had orbal-powered vacuum cleaners for years already?
The escalator in Zeiss is spectacular because of its magnitude and even attracts tourists, according to the local populace, but you can see all of that and even more by entering the (abandoned) Geofront or Mishelam.
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That makes sense, but I'd still have liked to get a conclusion for any of the individual NPC storylines.
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>>563432003
>has things going for him
Plot driven gimmicks. He is the chosen one, he finds the knight, he is the coolest professor, he is the master of bullshit swords all in a few years.
>interesting past
Yeah i can see the linking park music every time he does the "I MUST CONTAIN MYSELF, MY DARK POWER CAN'T BE SEEN I AM CRINGING SOOO MUCH".
>develops as a person
His litteral theme, the "i shouldnt kill myself for others" is solved in the last fight of reverie, not even the mainline game. Four games and a timeskip rean is always the same.
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>Wald is an edgy delinquent who repeats the exact same character arc his underling already underwent in Trails from Zero, down to the drug he's taking.
Finally someone else who says it.
Wald sucks ass and so does Wazy for associating with him. I physically cringed every time the SSS worried about him and tried to emphasize with that literal psychopath just because he's a known character.
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>>563432675
He doesn't growth. Never.
He's always suicidal over others no matter how the plot goes forward.
This is the difference between a character driven plot and a plot driven character.
You can put rean cs1 doing the same things rean cs4 does adjusting the "professor thing" and the plot goes on in the same way.
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Very forced, unfunny melties.
Where is Vankidfag? His mental illness always gets a chuckle out me.
Let me summon him:
Rean? Bad. The worst.
Van? Now that’s a real MC. Haha, yes sir. No male MC before Van was done right. Van having a secret dark power and tragic past is peak kiseki writing, and the worst kiseki writing is using a katana, being traumatized over a bear and using a gay ass robot instead of BEARING THE NIGHTMARE.
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>>563432318
He is an adopted son of a Noble family who blames himself for exclusion of his parents from high society.
He's a practitioner of the Eight Leaves One Blade school of swordsmanship and trained under Yun Ka-Fai, who was introduced back in Sky FC. That's cool and interesting unless you're a foid.There's a demonic power slumbering within him, but he tries his best to repress it and live his life normally until he finds a way to control and subdue it.
He casually plays the Lute and enjoys Snowboarding; he even built the course in Ymir together with his friends as a kid.
You may pretend that you hate all of this and prefer a bland MC like Lloyd who has nothing going for him, but that's nothing but cope.
Being interesting and layered doesn't make a character "less mature".
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The lack of a sister for me is a bit perplexing. Mine is non verbal autistic so we obviously could never really have any meaningful connection beyond blood. Sometimes I wonder how better things would be if I did have a "normal" sister.
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>Not everyone has as much stamina as they think though lol. Sometimes you gotta give reminders for those to pace themselves, and drink some water haha.
Geez! you are a fiend, making girls sweat until they are dehydrated...god they are so lucky
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>Seeing him be overshadowed by Randy at every opportunity just felt like a humiliation ritual at some point
I love how Garcia only cares about Randy and looks him up when you choose him for the Schwarze Auction mission.
He doesn't even consider Lloyd a threat. And I mean, Randy has better stats, orbment slots and crafts than Lloyd.
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Bro she has never spoken a word in her life and also has no communication skills beyond screaming and half assed yes/no hand signs
Using a controller or comprehending a video game in general is probably well beyond her
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>>563433261
>interesting
It's a self insert student in a school shonen. Is interesting like a rock on the street.
>layered
You posted 3 things except the lute and the snowboard thing (one has no consequences and is never brought up in game and the second is just a minigame) which are completely plot driven. Not a single one is character driven.
The adopted son is a gimmick to justify the ogre power, he never does "noble" things acting like a noble like jusis or using his status for whatsoever, he acts like a poor as fuck bracer every single time. It's also used by the siscon fanbase. It's status as a noble is never brought up, he is just rean or team leader of class 7.
Regarding the swordmanship. He can basically alone goes toe to toe with the strongest swordsman alive without further training (example the encounter with laura's dad in fucking cs1) and litterally everyone is sucking his cock for that. Nevertheless people like laura should wipe the floor with him but we can't have this right? Down the line he goes toe to toe with people like cassius and aurelia which had tenfold times training and experience but he always fucking wins, he never loses, EVER. And he gets always praised for it. He also overcomes those titans in zero time without any specific training.
The demonic power shit (already the gimmick of his noblebirth so its litterally 2 things) it's the dark power inside every fucking self insert protag in every anime ever. It's also a plot driven gimmick. Omg he must contain himself. Every-single-time.
Rean is a blank sheet of paper, just the perfect self insert\pick your waifu. Nothing more. You can put rean in whatever jrpg story with a self insert protagonist it will fit.
You think is "layered" and "interesting" because self insert\isekai shit is the only thing you read or watch, you can't understand characters with interior conflict and growth.
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Definitely better. But the hand you get is dealt to you, so there's no point in wondering about what ifs that'll only annoy you when there's nothing that can change it. But who knows maybe if your sister was "normal" she'd be a massive bitch. The grass is always greener.
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>>563434619
>But who knows maybe if your sister was "normal" she'd be a massive bitch.
kek she'd still have a better quality of life even if that were true. I don't really worry about it too much since there's nothing that could be done.
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>His litteral theme, the "i shouldnt kill myself for others" is solved in the last fight of reverie, not even the mainline game. Four games and a timeskip rean is always the same.
nta, but that sounds like a nitpick and moving the goal post. So what if it was in reverie, his arc still ended. If this happened in cold steel 4, you would probably still complain that it took this long to happen. If your just going to have an hate boner 24/7 then why even discuss his character? You just sound like a cringey edgelord.
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>>563435242
I mean, I know this is an unpopular opinion but I dont think Rean actually "completed" his arc in cs2 and then it "reset" in cs3. I think cs2 was always intending to shatter rean when crow died and osborne manipulated him to helping with the annexations for his character regression.
Plus I think with cs3 and cs4 having new locations of west erebonia and a new cast(NC7), I think there is some refreshing and new things. I didnt think it was that repetetive.
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>like a nitpick
Man it's not a nitpick its litterally the best i can do to identify his interior conflict. Apart from that he has... nothing as a character. It's arc ended.... so far? I still have to play kai i have no idea how he acts there.
Nonetheless its FIVE fucking games to do something other mc's solved in two with way better stories without being the chosen one and the center of the universe.
It's a weak character, extremely weak. No it's not better than lloyd, he's not better than estelle.... can't speak about van since he made progresses on kuro 1 but... whatever.
Kevin in ONE game had a better arc and solution for his conflict.
Because all of the other characters were not self insert to cockstroke the ego of the player. They were parts in a story.
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Falcom has a tendency to retread shit for no reason. A lot of Rean's issues from crow dying could have backtracked him a bit mentally sure, but why redo crossbell liberation in hajimari? And then Van seemingly making no progress with his deemun shit after Kuro 1?
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>>563435543
nta, but what alfin helps him get over is the very thing he gets over (again) in reverie
and he does change from cs2 to 3, but a change in scenery and reactions does not fundamentally change his character and how it was hyperfocused on his martyr complex and feeling like an outsider or a monster that is obligated to make others happy even at his own expense
like i think the most significant change in rean is he can deal with women better after cs2
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Crosbell liberation was more about introducing elysium and showcasing the potential threats of singularities. Hajimari is the end of western zemuria and the beginning of eastern zemuria. So they set up stuff for calvard as well and crossbell liberation was the means to do that.
I can understand the repetition can be annoying but I think hajimari does a good job with rean, C, lapis, the ironbloods, and ash(daydream).
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Rean in kai doesnt have that self deprecation he has in the cold steel arc. He has his own route but its more of a swordsman journey to face off and test his mettle against yun and shizuna. Van is still the main character of that game and it focuses on his relationship with agnes and him dealing with A:D cult
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The same isn't true if you look at Lloyd and try to figure out if it's Zero or Azure
And with Van for Daybreak 1 or 2
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>He has his own route but its more of a swordsman journey to face off and test his mettle against yun and shizuna.
fvark... just remembering when Bean was on the offensive seemingly using his s-craft in the cutscene pushing back Yun
It really shows how far he got. Was Yun holding back to stall so Rean could witness the events that happened afterward? Maybe...
Still crazy I was more hyped for that moment than basically everything else in Calvard so far... haha...
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Mental exercise:
Remove rean from cold steel and instead jusis is the main character.
You apply the same valimar plotline to him, remove the dumbshit connection to osborne and it's a story about a noble boy trying to be himself and overcome his brother and father nefarious plans. (cs1-2) It's also a noble vs reformist plotline and you see how jusis starts as a shithead noble to a more mature leader. He doesn't take control of class 7 because holy shit rean is the best at everything but for his own leadership merits because there are way more powerful individuals in class 7 but zero leadership. This is also a conflict with machias which can represent this leadership trait in class 7.
In cs 3 jusis take control of his household and territory and has to think about his citizen and the impending war. We can see all the political and military tension from a noble point of view (which never happened in the series). You remove the harem, it's milium and nothing else, class 8 becomes his own team of advisors\bodyguards (basically his ironbloods) and the plot goes the same.
Now tell me with all honesty that this is not ten times better cs as we have today.
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>>563436227
In cs2, alfin helps rean understand that his friends does want to see him happy and that Rean should be able to make decisions for himself too and serve himself. He does this by showcasing in Act 2 by following a third path. He even uses spirit unification.
However, he still dealt with things such as not being able to save people and his desperation for saving them with vulcan and scarlet. Everything Class 7 did was for nothing because it was just a ruse for osborne to use them. It makes sense rean went through a regression.
Hajimari isnt just about Rean learning to do things for himself and make decisions(like in cs2). Its more than that, its about finding a way to overcome his guilt for starting the twilight and doing his best to be kind for himself so he can be kind to his friends. He has an obligation to try to be better so that he doesnt make his friends suffer watching him hurt himself. Its cs2 but with more into his guilt.
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>>563437361
Millium was always better than Altina.
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Mental exercise:
Remove estelle from sky and instead olivier is the main character.
You apply the same Gospel plotline to him, remove the dumbshit connection to bracers and it's a story about a noble prince trying to outplay the grand chancelor and be one step ahead by methodically disarming all the shady plans and keeping Liberl safe from their schemes. It's also a noble prince vs reformist chancellor plotline and you see how olivier has to conceal his identity and overcome the limitations that come with it on a foreign country. This also allows Olivier a more direct involvement and understand of Ouroboros and the problems that come from have the army rebel and stage a coup.
Now tell me with all honesty that this is not ten times better Sky then the brotherfucker romcom we got.
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>>563437141
yea I think it is western zemuria your right but I only say eastern because calvard arc discusses more stuff with east like longlai, elsaim,valis, and tharbad(still calvard). I was merely trying to split the lands that get discussed.
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>>563437485
personality wise yea. However she gets BRUTALLY diffed in looks and doesnt have as much of a character arc unfortunately.
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>>563436569
how to be a cute hag
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>>563437584
Gay.
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>>563438408
Man you are so fucking stupid but someone who just changes words in other posts for an entire day should tell you everythng about your sad life. You were never a fan, never will be, cs casual shitter.
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we never saw millium in a bunnysuit
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>>563438268
>Altina is redundant when we already had a white haired, green eyed girl who was also a loli until Calvard.
1. Unlike Fie, Altina is still sexy and argubly a loli and at most hebe.
2. Altina's hair and Eyes just look better, no disrespect to Fie but she just isn't on the same level.
>Millium also had a similar character arc in CS2 that Altina had in 3 and 4.
You mean a completely watered down lowkey forced version of Altina's character arc? Altina had to go from borderline emotionless to understanding any emotions.
Millium just didn't understand sadness but was basically normal, albeit autistic otherwise.
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>>563429276
A jealous Reanspic falseflagging as an Estelletroon wrote this post...
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>>563437141
Falcom changes their minds on a lot of things so Im not surprised. They are constantly adapting because they never thought they would get this far or it would be this many games.
I think one of the blunders is the whole cs4 to reverie transition. They shouldnt have called cs4 "end of saga" because rean and ironbloods story continues in reverie. Also the grandmaster being on the cover for reverie was a clickbait because falcom changed their minds and didnt want to reveal certain lore at this time. The whole change to "eastern" zemuria for calvard is just one of the many changes that comes with having a series this long with different cooks in the kitchen
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>returns in Kai 2
>saves the Calvard arc
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves with both Elie and Rixia as his wives
How did he do it, /fg/?!?
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>>563432989
>He doesn't growth. Never.
You should "growth" your understanding of the English language.
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>>563438703
Altina has just never felt very unique so I've never cared for her.
>You mean a completely watered down lowkey forced version of Altina's character arc?
Millium got the better version of the arc. Altina regressed into a retard in CS3 from CS2 so she had to learn every single thing. Millium coming from a position of not being another stoic loli made her more unique from a Kiseki perspective and helped her not feel like she owes her entire existence to Rean like Altina.
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>>563437375
but the main issue is rean wanting to be a martyr and to find things like happiness as a type of luxury he is undeserving of
in cs1 elise has that same talk with him and alfin admits she is just telling him something she heard from elise, and in cs1 he still has feelings of guilt: guilt over his power he can’t control and fears he might hurt others with and guilt his family was socially outcasted amongst nobles for adopting him.
and even in reverie he is feeling guilty for things he had little control over, like killing the divine beast of earth, or being a cog in the machinations that (almost) started a war
so I don’t necessarily agree with that other anon but the same things plaguing rean’s character do so far 5 games, essentially.
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>>563439234
tio...
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>>563438991
Where did Kevin get the recluse cube?
Irrelevant, the entirety of sc3 is inside the cube.
Which church?
Irrelevant, the entirety of sc3 is inside the cube.
Located in which city?
Irrelevant, the entirety of sc3 is inside the cube.
Of which country?
Irrelevant, the entirety of sc3 is inside the cube.
Now go play the game retard.
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>>563439250
I can see the argument for Millium being more unique for sure, as admittedly Altina is basically Tio and Tio is basically Renne, ect.
>Altina regressed into a retard in CS3 from CS2 so she had to learn every single thing.
I genuinely don't understand what you're even saying here. how did Altina regress?, we barely knew anything of her in CS2.
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>>563439569
Why do you keep replying if you can't answer the simple question?
Where does this fight take place in? Do you recognize this port? It's very famous. What city is it located in? And which country is that city in?
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>>563439343
It is a regression. I admit his arc does take 5 games. His reverie speech is the cs2 speech, but more into his actual mental state as well not just about making decisions for himself. Think reverie is cs2 but even more defined and even more complete because he overcame even the regression from cs2.
The reason reans game takes 5 games isnt just because of a regression. Its because falcom wanted to deal with two casts OC7 and NC7 and they wanted to have two halves of erebonia locations. Plus cs2 and cs4 are bloated.
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>>563440282
you do realize that people can start with sky and still like cs right? Your just making sky fans look like the most pretentious douches who didnt even play cs themselves lol. Sky fans are the ones who vehemently continue playing the games they hate(cs) and cause the discourse and mald in the fanbase
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>>563440279
if the only thing you can mention is Altina apparently wouldn't call Rean out for being a perv in CS3, which I dont even think is true, then I dont think you're helping your case much here.
>She feels even more withdrawn than she does in CS2.
Just not true.
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>>563440136
Because it isn't when it's being done to protect Calvard instead of a sense of duty to the Yin title. Every instance of her working with Heiyue is to help against a threat to Calvard, or where a lot of easterners are in danger.
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>>563434957
>nta, but that sounds like a nitpick and moving the goal post
That's Crosscuck in a nutshell. You can reduce any character to his most basic traits in bad faith to shit on them, but what's the point of that?
Besides, what that tard said is not even true. Rean isn't suicidal in Cold Steel I and II. He'sdepressedin III andquestions the value of his life in IV because he's literally the cause of the Great Twilight, but the "suicidal edgelord" gimmick Crosscuck made up in his mind doesn't describe Rean as a whole whatsoever.
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>>563441364
She says she was in the scene.
https://trailsinthedatabase.com/game-scripts?fname=e7110&game_id=7#265
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>>563441241
He has actual life skills outside of combat. He has a more relatable arc than "doofus goes around till plot device fall into her hands" and "he is the chosen one the world rotates around him". And before you say "KeA" i want to remember that happens in act 3 and the story of crossbell would have been the same even without lloyd finding her (except of course the azure tree, the final part of the second game). Lloyd has a background and characters that already know him, he plays his role which is clear and defined since the first steps in zero which is "detective".
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>>563441601
In CS1, hes willing to save people and not think about how certain actions would endanger him.
In CS4, hes fighting dangerously and trying to make his death mean something to atone for causing the twilight.
I would say cs1 is a smaller version, and cs4 is a ultimate version of his penchant for self sacrifice.
Reverie is Rean in a interesting position because he didnt expect to live and be here. So he has to find a way to overcome the guilt he feels that he was going to solve by dying in cs4.
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>>563435543
>I mean, I know this is an unpopular opinion but I dont think Rean actually "completed" his arc in cs2 and then it "reset" in cs3
That's not an unpopular opinion at all, it's basically what happens, and most people understand that.
There's an unhinged shitposter in /fg/ who absolutely hates Rean and Cold Steel, so take these complaints with a grain of salt.
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>>563441038
Fufu... wouldn't you like to know?
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Man i just wanted calvard arc to be church vs ouroboros (and demons) while president musk goes to space. I wanted to know the misteries of the world that kept being unanswered since sky.
Instead i get migrants good whites bad, some shit about heiyue internal conflict and ehi have you missed renne? Here an entire game about her and the two filler characters from reverie, isn't that great?
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>>563440712
>if you think rean is more layered and a better mc than estelle or lloyd i automatically assume that you never played those games
What does Lloyd have going for him beyond being a cop with a dead brother?
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>>563441241
It's easier to see why he can inspire the people around him. He has a level of determination that no other Kiseki protagonist has, and he's able to pull himself back from the brink by himself. With Rean being mecha related, and Van being Kamen rider, Lloyd is the equivalent of super sentai, or a hero show. It's hard not to root for him.
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>>563442686
>migrants good whites bad
This shit is a microcosm of the entire arc yet you faggots act as if the entire plot revolves around it. Even Almata outright says they don't give a fuck about it and only used the retarded wannabe nobles for their money.
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>>563442138
>He has actual life skills outside of combat.
Every MC has those, and Lloyd's aren't anything special either.
>He has a more relatable arc than "doofus goes around till plot device fall into her hands" and "he is the chosen one the world rotates around him".
Like what? You can't just say "he has a better arc" and not elaborate further. Lloyd barely changes throughout both of his games.
>Lloyd has a background and characters that already know him
Wow, just like Estelle, Kevin, Rean and Van. And how do those characters improve his role? I don't remember the mechanic girl or Oscar ever contributing to Lloyd's character progression in ways that Estelle's or Rean's acquaintances didn't.
Literally nothing you said describes why Lloyd is "better" than Estelle, Kevin or Rean.
It just sounds like he's your favorite MC because you started playing with his games.
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>>563443417
Yeah play the games. I was at the sixth paragraph just at your second point describing how wrong you are than i decided i was tired.
Do not speak of people that you met for the first time in cold steel.
This is what happens when you start with a series already started from the midpoint. You think you know and understand the characters of the games you've never played.
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>>563443754
I understand that you were bullied in school and want to self insert into a popular niceguy like Lloyd, but you will never be him.
Play the games, and maybe you can face me on eye level in a couple of years.
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>>563442150
>In CS1, hes willing to save people and not think about how certain actions would endanger him.
I mean, sure, he has a heroic streak like every kiseki protagonist, but he's not outright suicidal.
He's lost and planning to pursue a career in the military, hence his enrollment in Thors, but finds a path for himself alongside his classmates that lets him develop into a person who can proudly stand for his beliefs.
His behavior in CS1 and during the civil war aren't comparable tohis self loathing after being forced to do Osborne's dirty work during the Crossbell annexation and the Northern Warhe displays in CS3.
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>>563444458
>but he's not outright suicidal.
He thinks so little of himself that he sacrificed himself in Chapter 2 to save the day after Jusis and Machias' bickering held things back. His ultimate plan for after Thors that he would have followed in the timeline where he's not a part of Class VII would have been to become a soldier and distance himself from everyone.
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>>563444645
Rean changes from a depressed, suicidal student with the burden of demonic powers and an army of women lusting for him to bear to a depressed, suicidal instructor with the burden of demonic powers to bear and an army of women lusting for him (his students included).
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>>563444786
>He thinks so little of himself that he sacrificed himself in Chapter 2 to save the day after Jusis and Machias' bickering held things back
That's the innate heroic streak any kiseki protagonist possesses. Lloyd is about to discard his own life in the prologue of Zero when the SSS is attacked by a mob of bat monsters before Arios saves them.
I wouldn't call Lloyd suicidal, though.
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>>563444458
Hes not suicidal, but he does endanger his life and doesnt think about the ramifications of himself when it comes to helping others.
His past and his troubles he causes for elise and family makes him feel so awful, that serving others and pleasing them is how he feels he can make it up.
CS3 ending is all his fears being culminated into a single moment. Its his worst moment of his life even worse than him killing the bears to save elise.
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seeing this would had cured my depression
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>>563445562
Still my favorite design, although her cute CSIV cape comes close.
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>>563443754
So you can't explain why Lloyd is better written after all?
That's disappointing after you were quick to point out Rean's "flaws" lol.
I've played all of the games starting with Sky FC until Kai, and Rean is far better developed than Lloyd.
Estelle still beats both of them though.
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>>563445859
i want to see it in calvard engine
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>>563446278
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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>>563292720
>Shizuna will never sit on you
Why live?
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>>563446435
But Estelle didn't win shit besides being the most censored Kiseki game with Sky demake
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>>563446471
Altina would get censored to hell, I'm good.
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>>563447664
>Imagine playing the censored sloppa and not having the estelle figure.
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