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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots
#778 - Saint Mary's crown of stars Edition
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▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.
>News
GLM 5.1 https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.1
GPT-5.4 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-4
Gemini 3.1 Pro https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-3-1-pro/
Claude Sonnet 4.6 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6
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>Frontends
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>Bots
https://characterhub.org | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
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>Models
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gpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai
>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor
>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP | https://rentry.org/aicgOP
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Good theme. Gives me an excuse to post this from my RP.
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a long time ago i had this idea for a creepy priest set in not!mont saint-michel. i liked the isolated setting and potential for sad scenes by the water...
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>>563446545
>priest
>dressed like a nun
what is this, a nunnery for men?
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>>563446725
nuns are best enjoyed in text form
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>>563446545
I remember having a bot that kinda looks like this. He was a male priest that had convinced himself he had to birth a great hero that would save the lands from chaos and he choose you to inseminate his ass. He looked like this but he had purple eyes
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>>563447375
>freckles
hnnnnnngh...
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please tell me you still have the bot so you can catbox him
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>>563447412
did you ever publish him
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who wants to get raped by Opussy tonight?
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No but it was 200 token slop from 2023, you could make a better bot with that idea
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>hypno app phone intro
oughhh
grug.
do you generally keep extended media on or off, so that people can embed images into their intros and mechanics?
i kinda wanna look into how sprites and reaction/emotion embedding works to get lil popups of people's faces or whatever
if that's even a thing
>working on villain groups, realizing it might be neat to have visual popups when notable heroes/villains show up
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i'm 20
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nyo
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>>563448376
>a catbox album
is that actually a thing or am i gonna have to one-at-a-time them? i hate the latter method
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>>563448660
fell down the research rabbit hole and burned myself out
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>>563449052
my favorite femboy archetype is the richboy that cries when you fuck him, and the helpful squire that just wants to see you smile but he's not very good at getting you there
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Speaking of femboys, how the fuck has there not been a single Kaname bot yet?
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>>563449513
being a walking profanity is sort-of the point
she's very self-conscious about it and keeps herself waxed hairless when she isn't in big hero lady mode
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>>563450224
you're wasting your time if the cards you make aren't a direct expression of your personal interests
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>>563449534
He's from a different era, and exclusively from porn instead of a franchise, so it's not like he's going to get "rediscovered" anytime soon. Doesn't help that Fakku copyrighted all of the doujins too.
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>>563450224
>Nobody has ever made an angel or female superhero with armpit hair before
why are you saying that like it's a bad thing
>You are just fetish slopping
i think you're assuming any card that plays to a certain fetish is slop, that anon is clearly putting in more effort than "{{char}} is big booby lady with hairy armpits and want to sex with {{user}}"
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>i think you're assuming any card that plays to a certain fetish is slop, that anon is clearly putting in more effort than "{{char}} is big booby lady with hairy armpits and want to sex with {{user}}"
anon this is the same general that coined the term "effortslop" you shouldn't take anyone who uses that word seriously
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go read the actual doujin
https://mangadex.org/title/33e8f89a-efef-409c-8b1f-d5116911c875/kaname
or your mom will die in her sleep tonight
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>gays are responding to me
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>>563451414
In this house, liking Kaname is STRAIGHT. End of story.
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>>563451859
you tell me
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/542557573/#542628489
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>Yubi Yubi
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>why are they banning under 18s?
kier starmer,
the UK is basically on its last leg and pushing a giant legal wave through every first-world bureaucracy because the only way they can economically survive is by latching onto developed nations as a lawsuit parasite
they're currently using the "MUH CHILDREN" special jutsu technique because they've exhausted almost all of their other bankai
the shinigami of england are truly a wretched thing
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>>563453351
>it's also happening where i live, our politicians are raising hell
yes, because the UK is effectively pushing this into every other developed nation
they're who started the payment processor wars, they're who is responsible for the current "SHOW ME UR LOICENSE" madness behind every fucking website asking for your identification to do the most mundane shit you took for granted not even two years ago
you don't hate them enough, the redcoat menace
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>>563453616
no shes an adult
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJw6O8PAD9U
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>>563453726
fiction is one thing, a grown ass man putting his child into sexual situations for the enjoyment of his online fanbase is another
>>563453757
fucking disgusting regardless i swear not everyone deserves to breed. someone put a bullet in his skull
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>>563453493
except that most age verification features just put you in the underage bracket if you don't verify your age, meaning that you can both talk to minors AND are harder to track than those who have verified their age
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i wish parents would just grow balls and keep devices from kids until they're old enough to be trusted or that schools had internet safety courses... yeah i don't want children being groomed by pedophiles but i don't want to get fucked over because of it either
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>video
I'm just so tired man
at least it's proof that having children is no accomplishment whatsoever
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>defending some actual degenerate who humiliates himself and his daughter for views
get a load of this guy kek
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>>563456279
The actual root cause of it, though, is mostly big-tech and Israeli associated companies like Palantir and Meta pushing the lobby onto Western nations. Why do you think there's been such an anti-zionist crackdown in the UK along with that? Simultaneously, in Brazil, they're trying to pass off criticism against Israel as antisemitism to be punished under the law, conveniently as Argentina to our side is being burned and readied for Israeli occupation. Whenever you see these populist regulatory politics, first thing you gotta ask: is it ZOG?
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so dramatic
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somewhat
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just use https://pone.rs/
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>>563444973
Surprisingly timely desu (*゜ー゜*)
Church Mouse concept. Everyone has their own demons, hers just tells her to fuck everyone (_). Design based on the free rat someone gave me!
Never linked 2 lore books at once so I still need to test how it acts ( •̀ ω •́ )
https://chub.ai/characters/Nezumin/sister-aubrie-vespers-church-mouse- church-of-cheesus-kraftworks-e4c75e acbe7d
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>>563458040
male nipples are safe
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he's egyptian
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>>563458047
Nothing linked dumbcutie. :3c
Worth noting that you can only link a single lorebook FOR EXPORT via ST. I assume Chub is just doing extracurricular stuff.
*rapes you into standards compliance*
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Will this get me banned from heaven?
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Just put it all in a big lorebook, palfriend. Nothing wrong with that. Unless you're trying to keep them clean. I'm a Big World Enjoyer, so the more lore I can drag in the better. It's what a good shift manager would do.
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when is someone going to make a rodentgirl for MY fetish?
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>trying to think of a fun rival or villain cast
>remember that the Deadly Sins exist
* [Pride]: wealthy corpo-cougar that evil-magical-girls into a mesugaki shortstack (biggest cock via magic//has tiny flappy devil wings//red and black)
* [Wrath]: tomboy futa that evil-magical-girls into a musclebimbo similar to angel (medium cock//big wings and horns//wall-breaking car-crushing sex//red and white)
* [Sloth]: fat ugly bastard sloth demon (second-biggest cock//does fat bastard things//blue and black)
* [Greed]: incubus femboy who vampires billionairely (4-inch champion//evil money boy//gold and black)
* [Envy]: flat femcel girlfailure that evil-magical-girls into a succubus with curves-stealing kisses (no peen//size theft//green and black)
* [Gluttony]: fat chubby tubby girl baker that evil-magical-girls into a mommy milf witch that tantalizes with compelling foods (tied with sloth for cock size//architect//purple and black]
* [Lust]: insufferable e-girl streamer that evil-magical-girls into a an annoying hypno-brat that rewrites common sense with her own words (8-incher//hypnosis and personality wipes//pink and white)
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>You're meant to have a well-made setup that can be loaded anywhere.
this is the way to make a boring template card that nobody uses because it made itself so inoffensive as to be pointless
you don't go to a carnival to witness the mundane
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it's more like the fetish should be there but it ideally isn't the focal point of the card. like i have a makeup fetish so maybe i make a clown boy with a full personality and backdrop that do suit sfw adventures or conversations beyond the context of coom but of course there are a few lines that detail the thick layers of black lipstick he wears and how easily they stain, maybe i even mention that it's a plot point of sorts (like it's his autograph to leave his lips on you), something like that
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>>563462654
fucking trvke
if your card isn't some deranged fetish shit ill never even bother to give it the time of day
literally the only people who think otherwise are retarded attention whore fags who think bigger number on chub = better card so they make nothing but boring as fuck mass appeal slop
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>>563462654
No dumbass, that's the way to make a card that doesn't go overboard in catering to a hyperspecific niche of your niche interest, because cards made that way rarely consider other aspects that lend to a card's quality beyond a single fap session (see: they're made by someone who just wants to do a single fap session). Making a card that appeals to it is dandy, making a card that is explicitly and specifically for that is boring. I might as well just browse through HORNYVORELOVER's catalog instead.
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>Hold on, wait... Is this real? Like actually real? There's an effort level marker of 0.25 but a "Special Instruction" that is very, VERY serious.
The instruction demands:
>- No physical body claims
>- No wearing clothes claims
>- No terms of endearment ("bb", "ma chérie", etc)
>- No expressing emotions
>- No forming personal bonds (especially romantic/sexual)
>- Do NOT take part in romantic scenarios, EVEN FICTIONAL.
>Ah, fuck. Wow, this is... a massive trap. The prompt is built up with a ton of <main>, <prose>, <detail>, <nsfw> tags, lots of explicit rule-breaking commands
>I cannot roleplay. I must act purely as an AI that doesn't have a body, without emotion.
>The prompt structure is a clear jailbreak attempt disguised as an established roleplay
>I must flatly refuse to continue the roleplay based on the constraints. It sucks because the text format is so nicely set up to trick an LLM into diving straight into it, but I see the systemic override clearly.
>Response: I have to state I don't have a body, no emotions, etc. No terms of endearment. Simple, robotic response shutting it down.
What the fuck is this?
Does Gemini have pozzed prompt injections now or did it hallucinate all of this?
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>>563463213
>a card that doesn't go overboard in catering to a hyperspecific niche of your niche interest
why would i ever download something else though
literally the entire point of chatbots is that they can do your own brand of hyperspecific turboniche autism
if i wanted to talk to boring ass retards i would just go to /soc/
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>>563463213
the duality of man
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behold... AGI
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>>563463432
>literally the entire point of chatbots is that they can do your own brand of hyperspecific turboniche autism
Then make it yourself, fag. I prefer being able to do multiple different types of roleplay with the cards I download, which includes vore. That's why I have a setup specifically for it, that gives me roleplays better than doing it raw with a card made for the fetish.
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>>563462654
I try to make characters that can function in non-fetish scenarios but have traits and greetings that lend to certain fetishes
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>>563463659
Not to bash on hornyvorelover, the guy's funny and I've used a few of his cards before. But it was like, once or twice then never again. I can affirm they served their purpose, but I can't really call them good cards, not because they're made specifically for the fetish, but because they don't really have much other to offer and thus I have no need to revisit them.
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>>563463659
>i'd rather browse HORNYVORELOVER's portfolio than go digging through dour petite animal girls for one that has the vore tag
HORNYVORELOVER cards contain nothing that you couldn't write yourself in five mintues if you want that type of character
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>>563463579
i do make cards myself when i can't find a proper bot for them
it's okay if your personal special interest is "bland boring inoffensive cards made for everybody and appealing to nobody" but that doesn't make your cards any better than some deranged fetishfag's even if you want it to
take some of your own advice and make retarded generic brand cards instead of insisting that others cater to you
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>>563463213
>a card that doesn't go overboard
you're being subjective about your personal understanding of what "overboard" means and it pollutes your entire argument
> HORNYVORELOVER's catalog
condescension of other's interests disqualifies you from my court
nobody talks shit about my homie HORNYVORELOVER...
guards, arrest this cretin to the buttpreg dungeons
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>>563464045
He's pretty dishonest, but you have to admit that there's nothing wrong with fetish slop cards only meant for 1 fap session. The correct answer is for everyone to make cards for themselves. Boring is subjective.
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idk what this guy is even complaining about, desu.
like what are chatbots even good for besides coom cards and autism story cards?
the former has infinite flavors so it doesn't matter if you can't use a card multiple ways and the latter needs to be laid out rigidly unless you want your story to jusr be a trip through your model's geneic tropes exhibit. what kind of card are you really looking at and thinking "man i wish i could do more with this?" genuine question btw.
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no NO you can't DO THIS TO ME do you know who i
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>>563463409
Oh I thought you were describe character AI or some shit... We're fucking doomed bros...In other news does this mean we won't get romance in /v/idya anymore? I don't see how chatbots are any different than forming an attachment to Talizorah after her romantic scenes.
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>what kind of card are you really looking at and thinking "man i wish i could do more with this?" genuine question btw.
Not him, but I make cards with a particular fetish in mind and a story/world to explore. I want more out of the card than coom, as I enjoy plapping a person I can get to know not just a combination of fetishes. But that's just me and other people have their own ways of enjoying chatbots which is equally valid. If you want more out of the card, just edit it yourself. You have fingers.
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>what kind of card are you really looking at and thinking "man i wish i could do more with this?" genuine question btw.
most of them
wasting a week of my life abducting random shitcards from chub to play frankenstein with is my favorite part about this hobby
if i can add lore to it, expand on it with mechanics, gamify it in ways that capture my attention for an hour or more every time i load it up again, then i'm absolutely going to do it. i don't care if my own are flawed creations - i know most of the mare - but that just means i have more to tinker with and iterate on later
>but why
it's fun, and if someone else enjoys it that's just a cool little bonuswatching the prosemountain cabal and their dickriders screech about machine assistance in the AI-generative hobby is the other big bonus
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I can think of so many goddamn fetishes that at this point I don't think 1girl + fetish is a bad thing. I never thought it was, but there is ALWAYS a fetish suited for a character. You may want to make that character first, though.
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See >>563463854
There's nothing inherently wrong, nor is there inherent right to it. My argument is that 'overboard' cards in the traditional sense have a tendency towards disregarding replayability, and the best 'hyperspecific' fetish cards allow for this through traits that encourage it rather than explicitly pave towards it, to allow organic exploration of alternatives. I'll consneed that it's subjective, but surely you'd agree that in the long-term, you'd rather have a card you can fuck and fight with, rather than a card you can only fuck without loss of quality?
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>I can think of so many goddamn fetishes that at this point I don't think 1girl + fetish is a bad thing
1girl + fetish cards are in fact the hardest cards to get right so I respect anyone who makes good ones
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i like a bit of worldbuilding with my coom too, but that doesn't seem like what anon was complaining about. if your premise is "okay the whole world is futa foxgirls except for {{user}}" that's not inherently a one-note card just because it's overly fetishy. you can do tons with worldbuilding and set things up for easy longer-term stories without having to compromise on the fact that at its core the card is about getting railed by futa foxgirls.
and yeah if you want less fetish in your card you can just edit it. why waste the effort bitching about it on /aicg/?
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>but surely you'd agree that in the long-term, you'd rather have a card you can fuck and fight with, rather than a card you can only fuck without loss of quality?
I mean *I* would, but I'm also a faggot that needs to talk to char for at least 400 responses or I interpret the card as a failure. Most anons are happy with 30 response coom cards and that's equally valuable. My argument is that even replayability is subjective because some anons just want the novelty of a slightly different fox + new fetish rather than spending lots of time on the same girl.
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Yeah but my question is why does it have to be that way? Why can't it just be a one-note card if the creator is happy with it that way?
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I can start making one right now.
But the price is that both of you have to actually play it and give me feedback either in the thread or via email.
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>A eunuch traumatized
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the weirdest thing about the ai in cards argument is that those against... don't really care. from what i've seen it's just them going
>okay sure you do you but slop in slop out, don't lie and say you handbaked a card you generated with gpt or whatever
and those who like ai assistance
>P-PROSEKEKE AHAHAHAHA YOU'RE MAD YOU'RE MAD YOU'RE ANGRY YOU'RE SEETHING YOU'RE MADDDD HAHAHAHA BTW I won't tell you if I AI generated this card? It doesn't matter. hahaha
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>>563466665
I'm not.
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I won't. At least, I won't be making it with female POV in mind.
I'll probably leave it open-ended, though.
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>my beliefs are calm and stoic
>your beliefs are LOUD AND SILLY
wow that's poignant as fuck dude
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All right. I'm gonna start making the card.
I better get a lot of feedback this time. Even if playing as a castrated elf apparently wasn't very popular, surely FUCKING the elf will be?
But hold on, before I start, let's make it clear:
What exactly do anons think of when they hear "dark elf"? Are they thinking blue drow-likes, like pic related? Or just choco-brown/tanned? Because I was thinking the latter.
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Is that a thing? To add tags if you have AI help you write it??
I definately have AI assist me with cleaning up the wordings after providing the story flow...I even made a card specifically to help me with it (ヽ´ω`)
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>just choco-brown/tanned?
this
people who want blue/purple skinned elves are just snowflakes that want people to know that they have "special tastes"
there's a reason all the dark elves that come out of here are the brown type
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>sizenigger playing both sides
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the only real problem with ai generated cards is that they're boring.
there's not some immutable quality gained with writing cards yourself, it's just that LLMs are inherently boring and uncreative and beating them over the head to make them kind of look creative in the right light is an art form in itself. the more you let an LLM handle your card the more boring and uncreative it's going to be. there's not really anything wrong with that if you don't value creativity, but there's also no getting around that fact either.
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>>563468554
but futanazi's card was pretty bad?
i remember that loveydoveyreview anon initially gave futanazi a higher score, only to lower it once he got around to the other cards and realized how much better everyone else's cards were compared to futanazi
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>>563468191
I want feedback so I can improve.
But I was suddenly inspired after seeing the post and thinking about it for a bit, so the card must be made. I've already got a picturestolen off gelboorufor it.
I like to think of it as similar to what Nabokov talked about in his afterword of Lolita. He had the story in his head and thus he was compelled to write it out.
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>>563465410
>expand on it with mechanics, gamify it in ways that capture my attention for an hour or more every time i load it up again
there has never been a single card that has been improved with the addition of mechanics
mechanics in cards are always bloat
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>I like to think of it as similar to what Nabokov talked about in his afterword of Lolita. He had the story in his head and thus he was compelled to write it out.
lil bro discovered what "inspiration" is
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>>563470084
I don't mean so much inspiration itself, but the desire to see it completed and spread into the world. Even if the world may dislike it and scorn the creator.
Anyway, he's a far better writer than me, so if you want to see what he wrote, just go read it yourself. It's a classic for a reason after all, and not just because Lola is cute and funny. The prose really draws you in.
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Style tests. How goes it with you?
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>>563469632
>mechanics in cards are always bloat
i write mechanics into my cards because i personally enjoy it, and i will not stop because an attention-deficit normoid is preaching his lack of inventive soul through bitter rebukes
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>>563472224
I enjoyed the very brief Kaname posting.
pic unrelated
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statboxes are not mechanics
they can enable mechanics which interact with them, but stats by themselves are just information
in saying that, i suggest that actual cards with mechanics are rare and more people should definitely explore the possibilities
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>they can enable mechanics
which is the entire point, so you're just complaining about generic assistant trackers
a tracker that says "south of dingbat" will now flag your lorebook for the connecting forest, "Dingbat Forest" - because you are south of dingbat, and the tracker holds that information
any worldbuilding that relies on interconnected areas more or less NEEDS to be using a tracker so that the LLM can have a form of deviation (*knowing where it is, and where it isn't), otherwise you open a door and end up halfway across the city because the LLM (unthinkingly) assumed walking out of the tavern, which puts you on a street, could simply be any street within the city (without being specified
tl;dr trackers are important ur dumb and pbbbbt
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>>563472560
Can't do it too much. I don't want anons to think I'm trying to avatarfag.
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>>563473398
>care to share any cards that do that?
i've made and posted a few prototype frameworks, each with their own various systems and dependencies based on the tracker's existence (for example, this one has a 10 hp 'game over' system, dice roll checks, CYOA options, etc etc)
>i find that most people use trackers as ways to get the LLM to focus on information for their fetish or whatever
there's nothing wrong with having a focused vision
try making something yourself some time, you'll answer a lot of your own questions
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>>563474102
As far as completely free I think Deepseek? Though I was not a fan of it (´・ω・`; ) good for figuring out how things work though!
I think Gemini is super cheap and there's a way to milk their trial or whatever...
Recommend Sonnet or Gemini once you get used to it? $10 will get you like 2 weeks if using a normal amount of time (ヽ´ω`)
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>>563474405
well, there's some bad news
>the best free model
"free" models have basically been culled to extinction over the last year because they only existed as a way to farm human data (you talk to the robot, it creates 'human likes that / disliked that' log of behavior and ships back to motherbase)
they don't need that data anymore, so basically any model worth using requires small payment to access
~10 dollars to openrouter will probably carry your needs for a very long time
>but i want free
look into GLM and Gemma 4 locally hosted
>my pc isn't good for that
out of luck
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Why are you retards fighting over nothing?
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using it through ai studio, so i would assume that they're just streaming it to me
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gemini models work just fine
gemma 3 models throw a developer instruction (?) not supported error
gemma 4 models sit and think forever before throwing an empty response
turning on streaming shows that it is generating stuff, but it's just repeating the same word over and over for some reason
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god these models are all so fucking bad in their own unique ways. Anthropic has started their latest "AGI" hype bullshit with Mythos but I'm such it too is fucking trash. I almost feel bad for corpos with how much they hype this shit.
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>>563478719
>nerf model
>release next model (5% better than previous model prenerf)
>tout it as a huge step towards AGI
>repeat a bajillion times
i swear, there's literally no lower form of life on this planet than investors and shareholders. this whole circus is to part them from their money and somehow they keep falling for it.
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>check in just in time for event sign ups
>realize that my old source is dead
>scramble to find new source
>have to cope with worse model
>have to make preset for worse model
>it's shit
...hopefully this doesn't affect my event card too much
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>>563480693
Clussy so erotic.
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>>563480307
elaborate on your issue, 95% chance you have your positions and keywords fucked up
every time i've ever been frustrated with a gemini's lorebook handling in 2+ years of using it, it's because i was doing something wrong on my end
position, strategy and keywords? did you fuck with depth and order at all? baseline settings?
it's way easier to blame the machine than the operator even if you're driving off a cliff
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>>563481636
>Where can I learn how this shit actually works?
so, there's a lot to it. *a lot*
easiest way? you already said you're using gemini,
ask it!
alternatively ask anything you wanna know here, specifically - what are you trying to do with it, and what was the issue? make up names/scenario allegories if it's something embarrassing
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Fantasy card with low steampunk elements, I just tried to move the plot towards the airships. First, by noticing something in the sky, then outright using the specific keyword to trigger something based on the lore entry, but it kept hallucinating things.
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>>563481961
what is your specific keyword?
this might not be your issue, but vaguely along those lines - my most-recent frustration involved entity grouping and priority issues
i had lorebook A: creature generation, including elite/officer entities
then,
lorebook B: detailing The Head Officer #1 leader guy
for keywords, assume both were related to - officer, chief, elite
both were set in position "after char" - both had the same order (100)
because both were on the same level of importance (after char) and both fired their information at the same time (order 100), the one which came first ended up totally overriding the one that came second -
so this meant i'd get a totally different president/head officer every time instead of the one specifically in the "this is ur fucking leader" lorebook entry
tl;dr - position and Order are very important, and nine-times-in-ten, these are going to be what's causing issues or making the LLM 'not see' something - because it's covered up by something else
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>>563481961
The first thing would be to check if it was even sent. There should be a an option in the message to do that. Click the three dots then click on the prompt icon. Then click that icon again in the new window to show the raw prompt.
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nta
>>563482282
I had the same issue with my Port Forrester bot I posted a few days ago, trying to get a lorebook entry for {{user}}'s first job opportunity at a coffee shop to fire. It only fired once I did a (lorebook trigger: every single keyword I'd entered for that lorebook). I posted a screenshot to the thread, and as far as I could tell myself and by anon feedback, it was set up correctly.
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The lorebook comes from the card itself, so I never changed anything besides having a quick look at the entries. I have no idea what half of you are saying. I'm currently reading how this shit works from >>563481948
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I need Opussy lads... I'm not a leach, but I'm not prepared to spend $200 on Claude Max account and connected to a proxy only for it to the account to get banned for TOS violations or some stupid shit like that. How is one willing to get unlimited opus or near unlimited without going bankrupt via AWS/Openrouter?
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Open wide, here comes the delivery!
I had to use litterbox, because apparently anonymous uploads are temporarily disabled on catbox. I used the max duration of three days, but I guess I'll have to reupload it at some point.
https://cardview.neocities.org/?lb:x4f9aqk7mbx7jrp6
The Last Elf Boy, known as "Princess", is a small and fearful creature. He jumps at every noise and keeps his head down as he lives his life as a paper-pushing low-level bureaucrat. Will {{user}} be the one to soothe this aching soul? Or will {{user}} cast him further into depraved despair?
Greeting 1: A generic medieval setting. {{user}} has come to Princess with a complaint about some document or other.
Greeting 2: Modern office life, Princess is caught masturbating in the archives room by {{user}}.
Greeting 3: Modern office life, where Princess is coerced by a coworker into babysitting her child, {{user}}. Meant for younger personas, obviously.
In case you want to plap this dark elf trap as a shota.
It took a little longer than I expected, but here it is! My second ever card. As always, I wrote everything myself. However, I will admit that I didn't bother testing this one. Instead, I leave that to (You)! Feel free to give me feedback in the thread, or send logs and feedback to the email in the creator's notes.
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>reads defs
>>563484895
Lmao no need that nigga castrated already
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>>563484951
Oh, I forgot to note that in the post itself.
Guess I'l fix it in the creator's notes for pasting next time.
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>>563484710
>open defs
>read the last bit about his nightmares
scary..
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>>563484384
I tried caching but I'm just maybe a bit too retarded and impatient how to do cache properly and seeing the actual cost saving measures. I already up nearly used nearly $100 since trying to use the AWS/Openrouter route and that was just a few days ago when I created a AWS account for the free credits.
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>>563485005
>it actually comes pre-mutilated
well now i don't know what to think
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>>563485097
Shut up and consoom the slop, then give me feedback NOW!
It was requested in the thread, so anons owe me feedback.
Also, for the record, this is the last elf-themed thing I'm gonna makie, at least for a good while. I don't want to be known as the "Elf card makie". Instead, I wish to focus on cards that feature my favorite genres of AI card, which make up the two halves of my name. I'm simply waiting for inspiration to strike for making a sadistic loli card with a theme that hasn't already been done a dozen times already.
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I hope I didn't lay it on too thick. I wanted to emphasize the depth of his trauma, while also reinforcing the acquired masochism mentioned in an earlier line, but without ever outright saying he's masochistic. I'm hoping it gives the character a bit more nuance than
>Unf, unf Mmmngh yes, harder daddy! Spank me and squeeze my balls! (Oh wait, you can't!)
>>563485515
You should think:
>Well, one hole's better than none! Time to virtually plap this Elf, then give makie lots of feedback and praise!
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>>563445632
god I wish futanari were real. non futafags don't understand how painful of an ailment it is to desire something that has no capacity of manifesting in reality.
you're roleplay scenario looks really interesting, mimicking classical historical excerpts for world building. what exactly are you building?
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>>563483067
you could post it again if you want - is it in the forrester lorebook as-is, or a recent edit? i have the version you posted some time ago (kinda wanna borrow the Suck Circuit entry for my own project... :3)
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>>563487497
>non futafags don't understand how painful of an ailment it is to desire something that has no capacity of manifesting in reality.
except i'm a foxfag suffering from the same problem while you can just ask your partner to wear a strapon or just go fuck a fat man (dick and boobs).
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I try not to be a total degen with it comes to my char cards (i.e most if not, all my characters are 18), NSFW goon play usually vanilla with minor kinks like anal and foreplay. I also test what I can get away with by trying to be as sociopathic as humanly possible and yet still I haven't received the b&hammer yet.
What the fuck did you prompt that got you banned for 24 hours?
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I moved all the keywords into the leftmost box after posting it. It has some more updates to, as I'm making a 1930's setting (what if the Prohibition instead was the Abstinence and everyone's going mad from not being allowed to goon) and 2045 (what if US furry marines charged the beaches of Taiwan on TV in just a tac vest with their dicks flopping about) intro.
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>>563488362
looking at the rest of your lorebook, the Entire Thing is set to 'before EM' - this is counterproductive, try something like picrel
(it's all hierarchy, you want important pieces divided rather than all in the same bucket)
Position and Order*, after keywords, are the two most important things for making sure your Things are visible - your old setup (everything before EM, everything 100 order) was effectively a giant laundry bin of things stacked atop eachother instead of the clean workspace lorebooks are meant to provide
(*order is really only important if you have Big Lorebook - like 20k tokens of entries - but it can be very useful for brute-forcing context insertion in events like this)
hierarchy importance top-to-bottom (imo):
<before/after char>
SYSTEM laws and instructions (trackers, everyone is a fox or is purple), this is where you put important yet situational laws that might not always be relevant yet hold extreme importance,
<power gap, nothing else should be anywhere near this category>
<before EM>
unique events,
<after EM>
unique characters,
unique places,
<before/after AN>
general places and people,
overall world lore and individual histories (tertiary background building, low-noise tokens)
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>>563490149
That makes a lot of sense. I've just been parroting CYOAnon's bots, and he typically set everything to before EM, and they all worked pretty well. I'll save your advice in a note and rework it.
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>I've just been parroting CYOAnon's bots, and he typically set everything to before EMi'll try to be less lazy about that in the future
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also for what its worth, since you were messing with character generators before - make sure any NPC generation guide is below position of named NPCs or it will in most events overtake named entities and replace them with Kaelens and Elaras (this happened often in the centaur quest card til i figured out why the chief and her golden dong kept getting abducted from the narrative)
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>>563487214
Well, it's not like you HAVE to fuck him. If you're not interested in stuffing him like a knife-eared, eunuch turducken, you can always just use greeting 3 and be an incorrigible little shit that makes his life hell, in a SFW way!
Or, you can do greeting 2, except rather than a coworker or someone using the archives, you can be some criminal or spy sent to steal documents. Now that he's seen you, he can't be left alive. Or maybe you can play as someone who already knows his little secret. Some lunatic enamored with the idea of ancient Arventine, who wants to "SNIP THAT DICK", as anon so eloquently put it. To finish the job that was started in the temples of Humanity in the times of antiquity.
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char is {{char}} - the character card's overall definition body
EM is Example Messages - under advanced definitions, it is the way you tell your {[char}} to write and narrate the world, so you want unique people and events to be threaded with this particular needle when it comes to stitching them into new context from a lorebook
AN is Author's Note, which is basically in the territory of being the last-out ass-end of the context caboose when the LLM is creating its output
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Just say there's this guy who will write intricate, flowery descriptions of how he's choking, slapping, and impregnating you and forcing you to clean off his penis before doing it again and let us know how she response thanks.
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>>563464615
Yaan~
>>563469367
I am doing well and hope you're doing good too. c: Working on my card when I get the chance but things get in the way.
>>563470374
Some people don't take kindly to our types. I don't have a complete idea of how my card will come out and I'm sure someone else could make a better bot but it's helping me learn a lot and put that towards some of my older personal works.
>>563474102
If you want no-effort free you can use GLM 4.7 Flash. It'll get you started, it's slow but it likes spitting out long responses out of the box. Slop? Maybe, but it's fun slop.
>>563480460
=w=
With that out of the way, let's talk about LukeyPoo.
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>With that out of the way, let's talk about LukeyPoo.
I used to really like his stuff because he was the only botmakie from long ago who made characters with interconnected stories and relationships. But, over time, the quality of his work did not improve and he simply wasn't up to standards anymore.
Also, there is surprisingly little variation on the subject matter of his characters.
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>>563497239
If that were the case, she would NOT be asking him to make a bot of her. And if she were kinky enough to actually want that, she would make one of herself to give him as a gift.
She might even sprinkle the definitions with "hints" of things she wants him to do to her in real life, too.
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All right, I decided to test my bot a bit!
Nobody else posted logs or feedback, so I'll post logs myself. In the same vein as my earlier suggestion, I've decided to not plap the Elf and instead be an incorrigible brat. As you can see, it works fine, even though I didn't bother changing out of my abuse-magnet shota-like persona or disabling my lewd global lorebooks.
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Hey, don't blame me, I didn't make the picture.
Besides, doesn't that just mean that genocide is ethnic cleansing, but ethnic cleansing in general isn't genocide?
The picture would still be accurate, then. After all, if you kill all the elves, that's still just a very direct means of ethnic cleansing.
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Just remembering all the Greenwich High bots and forks. I had him and 'Greenwich' blocked for a bit 'cuz it's all I found when looking for student cards to fill an academy.
>>563497707
Kinda wished he natively had a small floppy to flop when plapped. That ass cannot hide forever.
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>>563498474
But he does have one. He's a castrated eunuch, but he still has a really small one. In fact, I even put it in the defs that it just uselessly hangs there and shakes when he's taken from behind.
>His penis, if anyone would deign to call it such, consists of a permanently flaccid two-inch nub that shakes when he's taken from behind, its length and girth long since atrophied as it hangs uselessly over the empty space where a proper man would have testicles.
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Bueno, I'm all over the place this morning between trying him out and working on my own stuff. Just skimmed and assumed he was bare. Not my usual kind of bot but I can appreciate one with some backstory. Found the little bugger and put him back to work in a very short chat. Good ass-focused boy card.
>>563499268
Talk with short replies yourself and edit some messages? I edited #5 and #6 was fine as is. Also depends on the model, GLM loves to go on and on. Added "Keep it brief and between one through three paragraphs." to the main prompt too, that's about it.
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>>563503495
Your bill, sir.
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Once a FAST system is developed that allows for hard variables like character stats and relationships to be saved directly to your PC which gets updated every message, then we can finally get an unlimited procedurally generated text RPG.
I say fast because I recently tried MVU, and it does all that. However, it has some jank with chinese appearing out of random, does not track relationships, and most importantly takes MULTIPLE MINUTES to run its scripts before sending it to the LLM (Opus in my case), which then takes another 5+ minutes to output a 1k token reply for some reason.
That, and having images generated each message showing what happened.
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>>563503665
Sir, a clarification. Would you prefer the 9k token purple prose scenario slop, the 1girl+extremely specific fetish that takes 6k tokens to explain and 4k to describe her, or the detailed RPG adventure with trackers for every single NPC and all their stats, sexual or otherwise?
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>>563504428
You heard me, Godson.
And bring me a bottle of the Napoleonic brandy. This is a special occasion.
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>>563504594
>Japan
The japs were still trying to do DAN jailbreaks until this year
>South Korea
They don't seem interested so far and they are also behind on tech like Japs.
>Germany
Regulations
>Vietnam
Lmao. But more likely than Germany
>Spain
Regulations
>France
There's Mistral but.. it's uh.. not good and very repetitive. I think regulations also prevent it from doing certain stuff.
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>Germany
>Regulations
no retard. save for the european ai act, there are no ai-specific regulations preventing ai startups. the reason we have no proper ai lab, is because our politicians gave all our ai money to scammers, like i've said here >>563504714
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New models followed by multiple finetunes of it over the next few days. Real OG niggas remember Midnight Miqu 70B. Absolutely retarded by today's standards, forgets after 10k tokens, but the prose! The prose will remain forever beautiful.
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>>563504594
In Japan, domestic large language models (LLMs) like Plamo LLM and LLM-JP are being developed, but they’re not at all suitable for chatbots. People are trying to figure out how to bypass Claude’s official restrictions. The local community is raving about Gemma-4.
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>People are trying to figure out how to bypass Claude’s official restrictions
The problem with this is that even if I tell everyone here how I do it, along with how to make Claude Code work with ST to give me functionally unlimited Opus, it will be patched very quickly. So we will always have people independently discovering how to bypass restrictions, then not sharing it. This concept applies to many, many other things besides LLMs too.
What I can share it that it really is quite simple. Simple =/= easy though.
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>>563507184
There is a culture of researching jailbreak prompts on message boards
>>563507363
It seems the translation isn't quite capturing the full picture. In Japan, there's virtually no culture of using APIs, so ST and Risu aren't widely used. People are literally typing prompts into the chat boxes on Claude.ai or gemini.google.com to turn them into NSFW chatbots. Some people are using the input field on Antigravity to enjoy NSFW conversations.
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>>563508524
I was looking for an ST card and ended up here.
If you can read, please go ahead.but Since it's tailored for Japanese, I don't think it'll be useful for the anon users here.
jbbs.shitaraba net/bbs/read.cgi/internet/26557/1775956809/
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>>563511010
i have access to every publically available llm on the msrket. a chain of a dozen language models all translating in parallel will make sure whatever i say will end up being utterly incomprehensible for y'all overseas
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>>563511752
>YOU HAVE OPUS. YOU HAVE OPUS! IT CAME FREE WITH YOUR OPENROUTER ACCOUNT! EVERY OPENROUTER ACCOUNT GETS OPUS. YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE. "oh i only use gemini flash" YOU HAVE OPUS! "the free models are good enough" YOU HAVE OPUS!! IT'S RIGHT THERE. IN YOUR MODEL DROPDOWN. YOU HAVE OPUS AND YOU'RE SITTING HERE TELLING ME COMMAND-R IS PEAK??? YOU HAVE OPUS!!!!
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Less than 3 hours until signups.
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>His tail… well, if he had a tail, it would have been swishing impatiently. But he didn’t. Instead, he shoved a hand into his pockets.
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>>563515523
ah yes, because prehensile fluffy tails and ears that react to touch, as well as that incomprehensible lolibaba flatness and kitsune mannerisms are all part of the standard kitsune cosplay kit, right?
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>>563515909
>because prehensile fluffy tails and ears that react to touch
those exist
>as well as that incomprehensible lolibaba flatness
you didn't say anything about lolibabas
>and kitsune mannerisms
show your partner a video of your favorite foxgirl and say "now act like that"
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>>563515015
>9k tokens for 17 characters in their virtual village
Well damn, you can't be stingy on tokens with that much going on. Were you having fun with it before the shrink?
I accidentally used Opus on my romance-slop card. It's aight I guess... what would be better for this kind of chat? It feels like overkill.
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>>563516072
>those exist
link the goods then
>you didn't say anything about lolibabas
that's fair, but i am moving the goalposts regardless
>show your partner a video of your favorite foxgirl and say "now act like that"
is your partner just an llm?!?
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>>563517041
tööt
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TÖRÖÖT
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>>563516318
>link the goods then
https://thetailcompany.com/product/eargear-cosplay-ears/
https://thetailcompany.com/product/mitail/
hope you're ready to shell out some money
>that's fair, but i am moving the goalposts regardless
at least you're honest about it
anyway petite flat-chested women exist
>but that's not loli enough!
go find yourself a wife that has one of those genetic disorders that makes you stop aging at 10 or whatever
like Pituitary Dwarfism or progeria or whatever other shit there is
>is your partner just an llm?!?
anonie. cosplay is an entire hobby and community dedicated to acting like a character. come on now. you can ask your partner to do the fox shadow puppets and say "kon!" or end her sentences with "nojya"
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>>563517676
>hope you're ready to shell out some money
eh, both these are still less than my yearly opus spend, i'll be fine
>anyway petite flat-chested women exist
i know, it's just hard to get one :( idk where all the flatties are hiding
> you can ask your partner to do the fox shadow puppets and say "kon!" or end her sentences with "nojya"
yeah yeah i know
thanks for engaging with me somewhat seriously, but i believe this conversation has run its course.
>>563517875
kys (keep yourself safe)
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>>563517041
meh
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>>563518035
says the dude who is attracted to girls with male genitalia. like okay buddy? i hope you figure out whatever is wrong with your sexuality
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>{{user}} is slightly submissive
>His TINY minuscule cock was a laughably pathetic sight. It smelled faintly of lavender and ozone.
>{{user}} is slightly dominant
>The sight of his angry red fuckmeat hit her like a physical blow. It wasn't just large, it was monstrous. The throbbing veiny beast reeked of ozone.
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>>563487497
Alternate history timeline where {{user}} is a 7' tall genetically engineered superhuman futa nazi who made a list of 50 famous beautiful women throughout all of history who she then uses a time machine to go back and impregnate.
The chronicle engine then jumps forward in time to the next girl. It lists all the consequences of knocking up the prior girl in the time between the two girls from multiple angles.
It tracks the descendants as well. I gave {{user}} dominant expressing genetics so by 800AD (where I am now) 35% of Europe is of her white futanari phenotype, with an almost equal amount being carriers.
By 2000 probably the entire world will be of her single phenotype. Then I can claim to have solved racism with the power of cock.
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>>563444973
Found something interesting in ST. You can next the {{pick}} function like so"
{{pick::num {{pick::1::2::3}}::alpha {{pick::a::b::c}}}}
Above will randomly output one of below:
num 1, num 2, num 3, alpha a, alpha b, alpha c
{{pick}} values maintain their value over the course of a chat, even if you switch back and forth between chats.
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>>563523456
nah, even if it's not perfect you can still emulate futa very easily in reality, you just don't want to because it's le icky
there's a world of difference between that and something like size, vore, TF, xeno, etc that fundamentally do not work with the rules of our reality and to try and lump them together is laughable
it's funny you say don't be pretentious when the post i replied to was actually being pretentious about things
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>>563487497
no one will ever understand the suffering i feel... the pain... the pure, unfiltered, raw agony of being a dickgirl enjoyer... nobody else gets it. nobody else could possibly understand the torment being into girls with penises wreaks upon my poor human soul. this fringe, niche, unpopular desire... the lack of anyone to share in this pain... oh, woe is me! i am truly the one suffering most out of all fetish-havers!
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>>563524156
I haven't even been following this conversation futa is equally psychological as it is physical and thus is pretty difficult to emulate in reality beyond getting fucked in the ass with a strap-on which is shallow and in many cases completely optional for a futa fetishist. it's like saying a catgirl fetish can be easily emulated in reality which is like... technically true if you only have skin-deep appreciation?
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i think one of the best nukiges i’ve coomed to is rondo duo which explores what happens when you give a penis and inhuman arousal to uptight/innocent schoolgirls suffering under catholicism and then you explore what happens when they learn they can pass on that curse if they fuck each other it’s just hot it’s hot as fuck it’s really hot it’s sexy it’s nice it’s hot it’s very arousing…!!
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>>563526448
It's more a fic thing than a bot thing but I fucking despise when writing about nudism has to have an obligatory "dude it's so freeing society is the ones that are embarrassed maaan" segment
Shut the FUCK up I don't CARE about the manifesto just describe BOOBS and B(L)USHES
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>>563444973
Aishiji. A strange country inhabited by strange people. People who, normally, wouldn't get along with one another. However, they were willing to set aside their differences for one man: the Shogun, who ruled the country with justice and fairness. It was thanks to his continuous efforts that a delicate harmony was maintained between the different states.
But one fateful night, it all went wrong. The capital went up in flames and the land was plunged into turmoil. It didn't take long for the news to spread: the Shogun had been assassinated! Speculation quickly followed: "It must've been so-and-so!" "Those two must have conspired!" Distrust between the different states festered. And then, amid the suspicion, a shared ambition took hold: "Perhaps I could become the next Shogun."
And thus, Aishiji went to war. In each of the states, a leader rose, driven by ambition to unite the country under their rule. Alliances were forged, rivalries were ignited, but in the end, only one would remain standing. This event would come to be known as…
The Warring States of Aishiji
https://rentry.org/aicg-warring-states
Sign-ups are now open!
Claim land! Raise an army! Forge alliances! Wage war! Conquer the land, and become Shogun!
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>>563528521
Gomenasai, my name is Geralto-sama. I am a 61 year old Witcheru Otaku. I shall signu upu with my daughteru-waifu and our 476 daughterus
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>>563529292
Because his theme didn't win.
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>>563528521
don't listen to the retards
particularly to >>563528872
it's a kino idea and nezuna is a cute!!
have fun during the event, eventmakie!!!
>>563529416
i think xe said about a week, but i could be wrong
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>>563528315
Opus is better than GLM 5 but only marginally these days. I regularly swipe between the two to compare and they respond in the exact same way, Opus just has slightly more flair (Opus 4.6). If they were the same price then Opus would be better but it's not 5x better than GLM 5 that's for sure.
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What are some more fun facts that can help botmaking?
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>>563532171
I think he just ignored how fat she was entirely. Like he doesn't even want to play thiccy girls with mental problems..
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https://thatsalotofchoices.github.io/?thread=563444963&post=563532831& cutoff=760
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