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Sunny Day Edition
>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/04-10-2026-update.125825/
>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/
>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/
>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.
>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.
Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki/
>Collection of useful character builds
https://deadlockmeta.com/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gN JQC_fMGMU/
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Competitive News
https://edl.gg/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/
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>shit talking the worst player in a match
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Honestly been building Geist without spellslinger or k-dash lately and it's going pretty well
Headhunter's actually pretty good. The heal, the damage, the movespeed are all nice
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i love victor
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>DE CAN *WHEEZES* TRY TA RUN *COUGHS* AND IT WILL MATTAH... *FALLS OVER*
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Service with a smile :)
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Melee Paige.
Think about it, /dlg/ sissies~<3
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Spatial awareness. I push passed mid, and glance at the minimap and see if the enemy team is being turbo idiots and just stacking somewhere, which they are almost 100% of the time. If I don't see them I rotate back, eat some jung and eye for when the idiots inevitably send 6 at my Shiv again before walking back up and removing their objectives from existence.
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Help me deliver this!
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I usually wait until I know at least 3 people are somewhere else and gamble that the others won't be able to rotate in time. 50% success rate on that strategy. Maybe I'll just start waiting until I know for sure every last enemy is dicking around somewhere else before pushing walkers.
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>>563446563
>he only insults one person at a time.
Amateur
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On that note, what do you do when there's basically a mirror version of yourself, an M1 lane janny farming full time waiting until he gets a chance to split push? Do you just avoid fights and both of you do your thing, or do you compare your power level and decide if you can force and win a fight against him? I always find myself playing passively and doing the former since Seven feels weak until merc mac+EE, but I'm not sure if that's actually a good idea.
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>>563447463
Don't gamble if you don't have to. Solo or duo kills midgame give like 3k souls. Juat force pressure on a lane and snipe it if you're free to, otherwise hoover up farm like a kid that just escaped fat camp.
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I suck at playing vindictia whats some fun characters
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>>563447601
its happened more than once, Valve went overboard and made their gun gains huge to make building gun items "worth it", and now they can all just slot in gun items and deal insane damage even when their spells are on cd.
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>>563447601
Geist has pretty bad spirit scaling (bomb self damage scales more than damage, suck and dagger at like 0.7) so the base damage is good. With her amp it just makes more sense to build gun
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>>563447364
I stand by my statement that Venator is game's best designed character in all aspects
>Cool design that appeals to both men and women
>Badass personality
>Great voice
>Cool kit that's strong without being OP
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haze/wraith/celeste mains once i press 4 on them
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I’m tired of pretending that this game doesn’t need slight bullet magnetism and aim assist.
t. Eternus III Chud
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>>563448249
oracle is worse, common to see people with an ego that are a level below initiate because of inflation from the january 6 hero update and new players getting boosted to oracle for some reason in stacks.
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Thanks lads, I just want to otp the entire M1 carry role to at least oracle and lately I've been autopiloting too much and losing more games. Gonna try to play my sidelane smarter.
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>>563446551
The fun never ends.
Still raping retards and their towers.
Still avoiding team fights.
Still eating all the farm on the map.
Still getting MVP.
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How viable is this combo on Geist?
>Ballistic enchantment on life drain
>Rapid recharge and recharging rush so I effectively have 6 charges of life drain
With the idea being to cast life drain on everybody in a teamfight for 120% weapon damage (if my understanding of how ballistic works is right)
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What state will the game realistically be in 3 years?
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I was struggling with m1 characters because my aim is very medicore and then I started playing Warden again and I was having fun
>root someone with your 3
>shoot them in their stupid faggot head until they die
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>try to look up good calico players
>all of them have stopped playing calico
>all of them have cited that she doesnt do anything
And yet phantom shitters in this very thread will have the gall to say Calico is broken when she's not even good, learn to fucking parry you dog ass players
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>ballistic is 20% per stack
>would need to suck 4 unique heroes minimum before it starts performing better than berserker
Berserker is just too efficient on geist, it makes every other source of %weapon damage look like shit in comparison.
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>Highest pickrate hero
>One of the lowest winrates
Why are Rems like this?
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>>563447772
that i am! i also enjoy gun rem every so often! :3
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Neat skin. I can understand no kdash but no arcane surge feels like it'd be ass to play, it's the only duration extension you get for succ and it gives good together with mobility.
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You can't weigh me
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>game starts
>the other lanes already died before the 2:00 mark
>your lane partner is standing in front of the creeps taking aggro for no reason, he's at 20% hp
>he inevitably dies, of course you are to blame for whatever cosmic reason they will come up with
>everyone continues feeding
>nobody is pushing anything or buying counter items
>contemplate suicide
>queue again
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>buy arcane surge/kinetic dash
>forget to proc them
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I feel like I don't do shit on Mirage until I get ricochet, why do all the popular builds put it so low in priority?
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Remember to take a step back, relax, and enjoy the music/art of deadlock.
Yeah its fun to brool, rank up, and rage but the art team is really amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkGDC3idX1E
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>>563452328
yeah man i'll enjoy it
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Ugly vampires are kino though.
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wtf is wrong with you to think this art is good nigga
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>>563452508
I understand where it's coming from but I still don't like it. I want to goon.
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>ult as doorman
>my whole team stops paying attention to everyone else and focus on the dude to steal the kill
>lose the teamfight
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>be me
>pick random enemy to focus
>call them nigger faggot in all chat every time I kill them
>tea bag them
>get comm banned
Why game so woke?
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Tier 1: Asap, after taking a wave
Tier 2: Character dependent. Whenever you have a longer break.
Tier 3: If you've got a cult sac you can go take the camp with one big monster and two little ones near mid whenever they spawn (8 minutes)
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>>563452620
Mina is unplayable to me because of how hot she is, I just can't focus without wanting to GOON...
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>>563452620
No gooning.
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>>563451490
It is pretty good, definitely miss having that especially in lane. I was thinking of putting it back in the build just to hit the 4.8k spirit spike (instead of brs).
However, even with just recharding rush my suck is already among my top 3 damage sources. It seems like Geist's 2 is best used with minimal investment since it needs so little to be useful
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It seems dying with rejuv still ends your streak because I had 0 deaths that game
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its on gamebanana
https://gamebanana.com/mods/626054
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>play with stack
>have to become lane jannie supreme or we lose
>have to patch every single hole in our defenses because my team is brooling 24/7
>play with pubs
>can focus on doing my character's job and playing the game normally
>easy wins
stacks aren't always better
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if you stack with random then you should have seen it coming. Only reason why a random would stack with you is so you can be their support while they go have fun. If you want proper stacks you needirl friends who also can and are willing to play with you
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is it just impossible to make a moba where matches can be close as opposed to 1 side stomping the other? when I play TF2, even if 1 team has been crushing the other for 15 minutes, the other team can still completely swing the game right at the end with the right coordination and classes
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>and it gives good together with mobility.
good damage with mobility*
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also yes getting owned with rejuv still counts as a death.
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>>563446926
I just play tf2 where I can frag without giving a fuck, or a single player game. Bought Dark Auction yesterday and I'm looking forward to giving it a go since it was apparently wrote by the guys that did Hotel Dusk and Last Window
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It's just an inherent consequence of having the economic aspect of the game matter.
If games are always close no matter the soul lead then souls are meaningless, and by extension every non-pvp mechanic that leads to a soul lead(farming, splitpushing, urns, towers, neutrals) are also meaningless.
At that point you should just play a normal hero shooter.
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>>563453803
HoN and early LoL and early DOTA2 matchmaking was just fine, especially HoN, so it's very possible but devs elect not to do so. They choose to enshitify matchmaking by not region locking problematic populations like south americans and russians (something HoN did early on). they also choose to sacrifice even teams for faster matchmaking because zoomers and turd worlders prefer 15-30 second wait times for dogshit matches instead of waiting 2-3 minutes for substantially higher quality matches. game devs also don't want to spend resources on curbing smurfs, account sellers, etc. for whatever reasons.
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comeback mechanics are trash and a band-aid for bad matchmaking. if you're behind you're usually far behind, so the chances of your team successfully running the jar are borderline non-existent and if you do succeed the amount of souls you'll earn won't mean much. in cases where you're only a little behind one good teamfight will even things out and the jar is still whatever.
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I get new players up to emissary, and I don't mean new as in "I'm playing X hero for the first time" I mean people with less than 40 matches don't even know there's a last-hit mechanic etc. you shouldn't be getting "I'm playing X hero for the first time" people either anyway.
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so thats where he ended up... he used to be a big time LoL streamer back in the day lol
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>>563447920
Cool, after the studio dissolves and they let go of Silver she'll have more time to spend with me
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>lane partner doesnt shoot creeps not attempt to deny/confirm souls
going to be a great game
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denying is a high cortisol activity
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I love going hybrid Lash it's so much fun. People really don't expect a Lash to be able to aim. After I use my combo, and start melting them with my gun they begin to run, but I have another grapple to chase them down, pin them on the ground.
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really want to play this game but its so insanely fucking buggy I just can't take it anymore. there are still bugs that are approaching their 2nd birthday. meanwhile any faggot with more than 15 views on twitch will get a hotfix the next day if they bitch about some new meta strat. how am I supposed to give a fuck about this epic new meta from this basic fucking balance patch when my game will drop 50% of its frames suddenly if I play too long? all the shit they are working on could literally be done post launch and all the broken shit that needs to be fixed before launch is being sidelined. the only team that actually seems to be doing standard pre-launch stuff are the art guys. it baffles me to no end why they prioritize and focus on meta shit instead of serious bugs in an invite only playtest its completely backwards
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>>563457351
I'm shocked by how few Paiges even know that their ult heals people
>>563457395
I mean this is the same playtest that allows VACfags in, what did you expect?
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Only time I ever yelled nigger in vc was getting doormanned, was completely from the heart too would've had to physically restrain me not to blurt it out.. Sometimes you rape sometimes you get raped such is life in the moba.
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I'm trans and this is what my average k/d looks like... Mina is just too sexy for me to focus on the game... I plug in my vibrator and turn it on whenever I die or a teammate gets mad at me for feeding :3
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did they fall off? haven't had any problem with this character for a couple weeks now, they always perform just okay
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>nah we can't fight that
>that's a bad fight
>PULL. BACK
>aw we lost gg
people aren't playing to win or even get kills
they're just playing to not be the worst shitter on the team when the final scoreboard comes up and it's the most frustrating thing
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Do you think Ivy got bullied at school for being an ugly goblin person?
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yes. most kind women are ugly/fat because they were bullied their entire lives so they know how it feels when you're mean. most "karens" were attractive when they were young and now are angry they aren't getting the same attention and praise
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I honestly have no idea why my connection is so bad in this game. It's fine in all other games I play, but playing Deadlock feels like playing some FG against brazilian favela monkey who needs to crank his internet by hand and you end up with 20 rollback frames.
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What character and people who play it you can't just respect and stand to play with or against? For me its paige, her kit and people who tend to play her are even more annoying than a competent doorman; at least the doorman tends to piss off only the enemy team; paige players create drama in their own team while pissing off the enemy so nobody has fun.
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My wife Silver's indomitable determination will bring her victory
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Hhhnnnggg.... imagine a Venator figure that looks like this...
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Do people run Goose Egg? It's been nerfed to shit apparently but I run it on nearly every hero, even with aggressors like Billy I buy it first, just having it allows me to clutch/carry games when I pop it.
I especially take it if the fucking rat is there taken sinners. Or frankly I just kill the rat and also take the sinners.
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In Dota, I liked playing supports.
Is that still a thing in this game? Or are roles just more fluid. Also, is there a list of characters ideal for supporting it up.
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Nah I still land kills even when I have egg. 10% damage reduction barely feels tangible.
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Extra regen is dogshit. If you're losing health so bad save for Fortitude. But I play Drifter, Billy, and Ivy which get inert/passive healing/regen.
Monster Rounds sometimes, but if you get enough regular damage it doesn't matter. Also don't know why sac dagger is useful.
>you insta kill a Large Creeps.
I'd rather wait till I can fully clear a Large Creep camp.
>>563463480
They scale with Golden Statue, which increases again at 30 mins... I try to hold on as long as possible. I pop at 45 mins sometimes and feel like I've ascended.
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FACT: This game would be better with spirit metal skin, no movement autism, no verticality and most importantly no parry. If I run up to you and have pressure I have the right to fist you to death no movement faggotry no parry mind games, simple as.
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shit because 9 time out of ten it's your supports running it to catch up on missing souls and boons. Prioritizing it to carries means it becomes a win more clusterfuck.
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This just makes it so whatever team is ahead hard pushes urn lane so the enemy doesn't have a chance to catch back up.
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Not really since gold and XP are the same. Most you can do is buy utility items if a teammate gets fat and you wanna enable his snowball.
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>get autofilled as Ivy
>ping starts spiking for no reason
>shit freezes and rubberbands me across the map randomly
>genuinely unplayable
>still go 3/3/27
>still hit top healing
>still win
Jesus christ
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>unclaimed souls and running the urn make the character fatter and fatter
add it, yoshi
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What's funny is that my friend who mains Dynamo was complaining today that Sinclair's ult cooldown is way too short and that he needs to be nerfed, aka he probably got MOGGED by a SinclairCHAD copying his ult every 40 seconds
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Why shouldn't I just rush this on every single m1gger?
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what does /dlg/ think about pocket
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>>563466625
He's for being Dommed.
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>>563466625
-15% spirit res and soft countered by binding hex (at least forces him to pay twice as much for a counter), more honest than a lot of the spirit nukers.
He's fun to play but since he needs his team to capitalize on his ult it's a bit cancer to solo queue with him at times. As for the whole aesthetic he probably has one of the worst in game. Should've just been a plague doctor or something.
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>Should've just been a plague doctor or something.
His most popular mod makes him one
https://gamebanana.com/mods/630975
I agree, he's one of the most forgettable designs in the game
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>>563468232
It's an alternate timeline where the world became pro LGBT a century earlier and misgendering someone became a felony in NYC
It's pretty funny whenever streamers "accidentally" call him a him before immediately correcting to they right as the h sound comes out of the mouth
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>>563468232
>merciless mass murder who only cares about apotheosis
>feral vampire mass murder
>narcissistic bitch that personally hates him for ruining her social ascension plans
>turbo autist who only cares about TOTAL PATRON DEATH
>all these people still somehow care enough to not hecking misgender the enbynerino
Do people realize just how DUMB this is
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>/dlg/ - chud general
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>Seven and Drifter are both murder rapists and probably pedos and necros and cannibals as well
>But I'll be damned if you see either of them misgender the nonbinary hapa twink as they/them is disemboweled and raped and killed in the bad ending of Pocket's visual novel where they/them finds out the downsides of living in the same sewer as two murder rapists
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>winning pretty decisively
>suddenly losing hard
>find out our apollo has been stuck in rem's vents for like 5 minutes
>lose
someone tell yoshi to fix the jank
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>yea I draw the line at pronouns so fucking unrealistic jeez amirite guys??
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Like 99% of they/thems are female, the 1% that are male are typically sex pests so it's fitting for Pocket to have a pedostache
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If there wasn't the looming threat of a permaban 99% of lobbies would have niggerbombs and rapejokes but since faggots still have the evils that be as they/them patrons of protection it's suppressed. It is what it is but it's unfortunate that sodomites think they're in normalcy when everyone is forced into this fake politeness.
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Watching Eido play him like some form of 3rd dimensional access Puck from DotA2, they really need to implement a spell that immobilizes and prevents using spells, or reduces movement and disables spell usage
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Part 2
>Chain smoker Yamato and femboy Vindicta are saying they can't do anything unless comms are used
>Fem-dicta is holding down mic to laugh at terrible jokes
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I don't mind pocket when HE'S ballsdeep in HIS wife Mina.
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>pick drifter
>enter match
>open mic
>NMGHHRRAAAHH NMMMGHHHHH!!!! NNGHHRR!!! RAPE!!! RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE I MUST EAPE!!! AAAAAGGHHRRGHHH MUST RAPE!!!
>solo dive enemy guardian af level 1
>die
>NO... NO!!!! I.... I CANNOT RAPE???? AAAANNNNGHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO I MUST RAPE!!! RAPE!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAPPEEEEEE!!!! AAAAAAGGH!!!
>abbandon match
>pick Paige next
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>>563470581
That Mina is based beyond belief.
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It's great isn't?This match was against Dynamo and Lash, the best ults in the game lol
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does street brawl boost your rank to rit if you play enough? the total souls collected per minute seem to be getting padded in the player stats section.
i start trying all the characters ive never played before and their net souls shot up to the hundreds of thousands after a handful of SB matches and I ranked up even though i lost
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>Play with friends a lot after they introduce
>Games getting very hard lately, wonder why
>They're solo queuing often and getting pushed down, average rating low emissary/high ritualist
>I'm in oracle 3 and still climbing
I feel like an ass because I'm dragging them up into oracle lobbies
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not a fucking thing until you can tell where the low-hp geist (on a killstreak no less) with a ready ult is hiding
>>563448758
celeste's bullet mag is borderline irrelevant. its like no more than 45 degrees after bounce, there's no actual homing so you still gotta land your shot more often than not. just aiming at their feet is countered by strafing
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BILLY NO!
BILLY DON'T GO BEHIND THE VEIL WHERE THE LOW HEALTH GEIST WITH HER ULT UP IS AT!
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Miku Guiness
She's got no way to fraudulently approach or escape. Her 4 turns her helpless and has a huge deadzone. If you lose to her it's because you were outpositioned.
>b-b-b-but muh autoaim turrets-
Do literally nothing right now and are fully immobile. If you get 0 to deathed by turrets you are dogshit.
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>be me
>like vyper and try and get good with her
>hyper carry role goes “only okay” most games
>kinda awkward and dangerous playing vyper later in the game unless you play as a rat- but at that point there are other heroes that do it better.
>try out seven
>lane is a disaster, Muhammad and Kareem constantly feeding Billy- literally 6 deaths by 8 min
>but I bide my time and ride out the shitstorm
>quietly farm and by 25 min I have so much farm I slam my skeleton fist into the archmother’s face as I electrocute the whole fucking map as the enemy team cowers in fear miles away and my own team fucking stares awestruck
Wow, playing actually useful characters really makes you realize how useless some characters are.
Bonus: playing as a greedy farming carry makes you realize how shitty most players are and how chad you are when you don’t have rely on others for once.
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Look at this >>563448469 and tell me it’s honest
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>>563473078
Ivy would say this
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Haze wouldn't say this specifically, she'd be much more sophisticated about it
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Can vtuber jeets please fuck off?
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>Havent played deadlock for the last week cause of shit matchmaking
>Decide to try a match
>Can crush it with a 15 kill lead but we lose cause TWO people went fucking 0/13
>Decide to brool for a warm up
>Back to back 4-stack opponents
>close game, go play something actually fun
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I just thought it was a good image to show despair, man, don't go accusing me of being something like that.
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Yep, another night, another 3 matches where my lane goes fine but the rest of my team is 15k souls behind in the first 10 minutes but also somehow the enemy is so shit they can't close in under 30 minutes and get it over with so it's just a 45 minute long humiliation ritual.
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>>563474159
Reminder that all PC players are cheating because they have different hardware specs (effectively performance mods)
Only Steam Deck 1.0 players are legit
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healing rite is only good if you need the hp "right now" (lane is coming)
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>>563475973
first thing you must understand before even itemization is that you must get 2 points into wall and max your ult. then think about it.
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Climbing in this game is just a friend-check.
If you convince at least one person to play a character that works well with yours, climbing is free.
Everyone else queuing solo is just fodder for people with friends.
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I really want to be good on silver, but I just can't land her shots well enough to reliably ult. There's just something about her gun that makes it impossible to hit with for me.
I have no problem landing other guns reliably, but silver's gun just doesn't work for me...
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I hit play again
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>>563477128
ignore them. you obviously did something to make them angry enough to single you out. unless they personally insult your skill, there's no reason to respond.
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Typically when you get singled out, especially when your k/d/a isn't that different, it's a stackfag trying to take their rage out on a third party, ignore and move on
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I'm just going to have to accept that I will only ever be good on Seven and Victor...
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If I have to kill a bunch of stupid cyclops aliens for 30 minutes to win the game, I might as well make them look more visually appealing
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>>563478160
Sorry, can't play basketball people.
>>563478107
Sorry, not into pigs...
>>563478196
Sorry, not gay.
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you should really play paige! she is fun as fuck!!!!!!!~<3
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>Sorry, not gay.
Sevenplayer doesn't know that Seven and Kelvin are gay for each other...
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>Fujoshipping
Nope, Seven is for Haze you dumb cunt.
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Foxu hero when?
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>A player using Counterspell to avoid Hotel Guest's "Failure to Check Out" damage will still proc the T3 13 second cooldown for The Doorman.
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING AGAINST EVERY DOORMAN I PLAY AGAINST
I HAVE NO STAMINA, DONT MAKE ME DO THE SCHMOVEMENT
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I see videos of people doing those and leaving with half of the duration left even with slowing hex and even doing the same as them I either barely leave still using 2 stamina at the end or just don't at all
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>>563476517
i wouldn't put much weight into this, at one point i went on a 4 game loss streak with my main because i was using a meme build and it said my rank on them was lower than characters i have a 30% winrate / 10 games on on despite my main still keeping a 55% winrate
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This game is actually worse than dota 2 in terms of teammate quality, genuine braindead apes every time.
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In dota it was about +-10% of your mmr based on role, so in this probably similar for each hero.
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>street brawl
>playing lash
>fighting billy, seven, vyper, and venator
>close match so far
>get a bunch of spirit and vitality items
>get refresher, unstoppable, and prism blast
>final round
>seven tries to 2v4 ult all of us with his upgraded ult
>fly into the air and ult him into the ground
>team dives in too
>use prism blast
>kill him and venator
>seven constantly typing "cancer" in allchat
>win
>all while listening to virtual insanity
Why is street brawl so comfy
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TIME FOR APPLIED SCIENCE!
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>mirage hits me with 1 scarab, toxic bullets and a level 2 mark
>this does over 2k spirit damage
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>constantly at the mercy of how retarded your team will be
>mid boss is a coinflip to whatever team is going to randomly fight over nothing at any point of the match
>ending the game without a teamwipe is near impossible due to the invuln + curse mechanic
it's all so tiresome
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>>563481326
solid proof this anon doesnt even play the game and just comes here to be a pest vindicta tried to fly she got killed then her body ragdolled she didnt do a le awesome tech you dumbass go back to what hole you crawled from or is your general too slow for people to give a toss about you right now?
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Yes it is, I am Eternus 7 and we are all using it, Eternus 6 shitlows don't know about the backflip meta yet lol
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>the backflip meta
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>finally purchase my last item and come online
>victory screen 2 seconds later
I wanna try being fully built for once but these games are too short.
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>>563452669
No, it's Donkey and Diddy Kong
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Yeah. If you have a refresher and an enemy Sinclair who ults you, you can ult someone, refresh, Sinclair ults you and then you ult the original person again and now they're forever trapped until they die.
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I play my deadlock sessions like I'm in a tournament, if I lose two in a row I just get off, wasn't meant to be and I'll just keep rage queueing, but if I win I can keep going till I lose two in a row or until I get bored or tired.
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>>563485454
Usually the vibes are bad because youre already losing but yes complaining just makes things worse. Exceptions are for truly incredibly awful decisions that you have to address like a mcginnis holding egg for 25 minutes despite going pure damage. Calling them a retard increases your chances of winning there
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Express Shot on Silver is actually so fucking ass. Toxic Bullets is the best first 3200 gun item to buy.
>slamfire immediately applies it (you hit all 3 or you die anyway)
>boot kick applies one stack so if you do boot kick + cheeky light melee you're already at 2 stacks
>werewolf 1 and 2 applies 1 stack each
>werewolf m1 is AOE btw
>did i mention silver can apply it in 3 attacks?
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>which they do often for some reason despite the rest of the team doing worse than me
This is often because you're the designated solo player for a stack and they want to take their frustration out on a solo player. It's one of many reasons I stopped playing Deadlock with my friends, they start being angry at the other people on our team who have basically the same k/d
>THIS SEVEN THAT'S 4/8 IS THE REASON WHY I'M 4/8! FUCK THAT GUY!
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Yeah it's hilarious how most people just don't fucking get Silver, I see so many Silvers obviously using a shitty top daily build and rushing crushing fists, I also see lots of people try to parry Silver's wolf slashes
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She's still a strong carry the issue is that I get lobotomites and Americans who I have now learned first-hand are completely immature along with being on average 15IQ more stupid than an average European player.
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express shot doesn't even work for her wolf m1 it literally becomes a brick of an item when you pop her ult. it's so garbage on her. it's a meme
>"get express shot so have to press one less m1 for your slam fire broooo"
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>Entire enemy team is alive
>"Let's go mid haha :)"
>Entire team wiped
I don't understand
I don't
WHO THE FUCK MAKES CALLS LIKE THIS
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EVEN WORSE WHY WOULD YOU FOLLOW THEM
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redditman can be unkillable if he gets any mobility items because he has bullshit high health, a heal, cleanse tp with invulnerability. If you have good stamina mastery movement you cant die with him, just such a retarded character design.
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AND OF COURSE
MOST IMPORTANTLY
THEY DIDN'T PUSH THE FUCKING LANES
ESPECIALLY NOT WHEN THE ENTIRE GODDAMN ENEMY TEAM WAS DEAD
FUCK
WHY WOULD YOU PUSH *THERE*
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>>563487958
I'M TAKING A BREAK BUT FROM NOW ON I'M MAINING MIRAGE
FUCK IT
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my duo constantly and consistently complains about anything and everything
it is exhausting. he doesn't do it in game chat though, at least i'm the only one that has to tank it
but if someone says anything then he blows up and spends the rest of the match going back and forth arguing and shittalking that person
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a lot of people dont understand that if the enemy team is dead and mid is available its better to have 2 or 3 people go push waves while the others take mid, so that you can wave crash their objectives immediately instead of taking mid, then spending half a minute chasing waves. Only cases where you want to dog pile mid is when they have a few people alive, or if you go for an early mid at like 12-16 minutes when people have short respawn timers and are just taking mid to force another team fight immediately
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>Niggerfaggot AT THE START OF THE GAME complains something like "oh this is my 4th loss, last team I had was retarded"
These people need to look up self-fulfilling prophecy, though this would require introspection. (Sentience)
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PUSH LANES
FARM JUNGLE BACKWARDS
PUSH LANES
FARM JUNGLE BACKWARDS
KILL LARGE ENOUGH QUANTITY OF ENEMIES
PUSH WALKERS
KILL HALF TEAM
TAKE MID
PUSH END BECAUSE YOU HAVE THREE EXTRA FUCKING FULL REVIVES
STOP FUCKING TAKING FIGHTS YOU CAN"T WIN I BEG YOU
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I play a gun-hybrid build and just run everyone down after I hit my powerspike.
I started buying goose egg since the nerf and playing like Viktor so I just farm a sidelane+jungle forever until I get spellslinger and merc mag which is your powerspike. Before your powerspike you can't duel anyone in the game so don't even bother, after your powerspike you run everyone down.
Abuse her fast movement, try to stay in the air as much as possible.
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Genuinely 100% of the time if you hear "confirm the FUCKING SOULS BRO" and you're only on the first or second wave you've completely lost and that guy is going to spend the next 30 minutes crying and whining.
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Express Shot is good since it synergizes with your burst playstyle. You want to do as much damage as possible to trigger your ult.
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MAP AWARENESS
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MAP AWARENESS
OH WHOOPS THERE GOES ANOTHER WALKER HAHA
WHOOPS THEY'VE BROKEN INTO THE BASE
WOW HEY THE ENTIRE LINE IS RED BETTER IGNORE THAT UNTIL THEY'RE UP OUR ASS
WHAT THE FUCK IS A MINIMAP?
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it's so when you bola->kick->silence wave someone your headshot on their helpless ass hits twice and gives you that much more ult charge. which you immediately follow up with slam-fire and then transform
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It's unironically just a chore to do wave jannying in this game, you kill the wave then go to fight but oops 10 seconds later the wave is about to kill your walker again because FOR SOME REASON THEY USE ZIPLINES. Street brawl is garbage because you cant do the build you want and the fights are way more boring since only 4v4. I barely play this shit ass game any more because it's mainly fighting your team to try and finally get a good fight that favors you instead of getting caught out while youre fixing macro. Just terribly unfun and frustrating
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Stalling and playing like a defensive wuss can make sense if you have the better late game team comp. Both teams being equal in souls at 40 minutes is a status quo that serves your team well.
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I stopped buying torment pulse since it delays your build and doesn't really scale into late anyway.
Tank celeste might be viable but I don't think it can 1v11 carry like gun and it looks more boring to me. Maybe it's viable in higher elos where your venator isn't doing 1/8th of your damage.
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>gives you that much more ult charge
if you do bola kick slam fire silence wave you already transform though? you don't need express shots for that. in fact toxic bullets will help you transform more because of the DOT.
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I can tell you with great certainty that there is no intrinsic value to putting someone a bracket lower than you in your game even if it's matched on the other team. There's simply no way in the highest bracket of players that the MM should will itself to feel the need to grab shitters off the bench to save 10 seconds of queue time
This is true in every skill rating
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vyper is too strong and I think the only reason she's not as cancer is that not many people like to constantly slide to attack so you don't see her as often. The times she's on the enemy team I know I'm going to have a bad time though.
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if we are to trust statlocker, then the accuracy distribution is;43% as 10th percentile, 48% as 25th percentile, 53% as the center of the distribution, 57 as 75th percentile, 60 as 90th and 66 as 99th. Overall that means that the vast majority of people playing hit at least half their shots, but i dont know how statlocker calculates or gathers its stats for this. Still, the vast majority of people coming in have shooter experience, either in traditional FPS games or hero shooters like OW and Valorant. The main issue in the swamp is that people either have no idea how macro works, or do and are too lazy to actually do it. I was watching a stream yesterday which was eternus 5 average, there was a Yamato that abandoned the green lane at 10 minutes to chase a one hit enemy in enemy jungle. While he did this wave got pushed up visibly on the map for ten seconds before it finally reached green walker, but people only started rotating once the enemy Lady Geist showed up there on the map. By the time anyone actually got to the walker it was dead, and Geist got a huge soul lead for free that she then used to fuck the team. The fact that three people visibly started moving to green the second Geist appeared on the minimap proves that they are looking at it, so they all consciously decided that the wave that had already been visible just wasnt worth the trouble, retarded af and thats in eternus; at lower ranks people wont even look at map to know anything is happening till the patron voice call that the walker is being attacked happens
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>>563489315
escalating exposure is the whole point
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>>563489315
>not even magnum at the end?
Ill get Merc Mag if I'm at the point where I could sell active reload if I have it for slots.
>escalating exposure. Can you proc it in a reliable manner?
Scarabs and Toxic Bullets
>>563489381
>What do you do for skill order?
Scarabs to 2 >Mark to 2 > Max Scarabs > Max Ult > Max tornado. If I'm clearly going to be lane janitor all game I'll level ult earlier and keep mark at 1
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>>563489747
Vyper isnt strong Vyper just exposes dumb fucks who dont buy counter items all her damage is from her gun which is SO easy to counter she's an IQ test people will fight her on the stairs of mid for some reason with positioning and disarming/juggernaut/literally any fire rate cancelling item she's borderline worthless
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>>563489867
Hard to lock down + cheese / 0 counterplay kill potential makes her pretty strong also your stairs point is a meme because she can realistically spam slide anywhere. Is she one of the more honest m1s? Sure, she's full bullet damage. But let's not pretend that she's weak at all.
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>>563490115
>20k games
>1 trick inflating her winrate
You sound retarded. Basekit shred, good hybrid damage, lane bully, good mid contest, and 0 counterplay kill potential with ult + APR. Tell me how that is a bad hero in your eyes
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I am once again begging for Kelvin nerfs
>Strong mobility with zero skill required
>Healing nades that are solid and make you unpunishable in lane
>Beam makes the game unplayable anyone on the opposing end
>Dome is the top 3 ults in the game, arguably number 1
All this while having respectful damage as well.
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>>563490358
Works on my machine
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>>563490060
I usually vibe the item order depending on the game. Not a L-R guy
I try to get 4.8k in every stat asap. Items I usually get are like : Active Reload, Recharging Rush, Toxic Bullets, Escalating Exposure, Superior Cooldown, Diviners Kev (as ult is maxed) Superior Duration Extra Stam/mastery + appropriate defensive greens for 4.8k. Radiant Regen if I want to larp as a tank
I'll get Riccochet + Inhib/silencer if i need to be in teamfights in the mid to late game. I'll put those off if I'm just splitpushing or ganking solos. Riccochet doesn't make you farm much faster than most people think, and usually saving up for it early means you are missing other opportunities.
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>>563490525
Cut him some slack, he probably can't even spell 'pentrified'
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>>563490551
Kelvin's main problem is how he enables already hard to kill heroes, Mirage is especially bad because of basekit inhib. Any tank hero + a competent Kelvin is a borderlline instant loss if you don't have good enough frontline, good luck killing Billy, Abrams, Shiv, Geist, etc
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>>563490663
THROWIN BOLA :D
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>>563490643
Dumb question does antiheal stack well? I buy toxic bullets against him every time and its does FUCKING NOTHING, he still just heals through everything.
Would Inhibitor + Toxic cuck his healing or would it be meh due to diminishing returns?
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I'm off for the night
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>>563489615
ok i shouldn't have brought silence wave into the discussion because it detracts from the main thing, which is the combo damage. which gates your transform
the express shot combo does ~650-700 damage at base.
the toxic bullets combo does ~430 and then ticks for like ~50.
you have little room for error with TB when trying to finish the combo with transform, and it does less damage to boot, which makes your transformed follow up less lethal. the ticks will get you your transform if you flub it, sure, but you should intuitively know how delaying her transform would throw off her gameplan
ultimately it just fits better into her gameplay pattern. toxic bullets does sound like a good idea on her but not as your 4.8k
also worth mentioning
the express shot's shot doesn't actually use a slamfire round or contribute to its T3 passive. it's a true bonus shot in every sense of the word
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>>563490505
I thought I saw a patch note saying it doesn't I take it back then my mistake
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>>563490812
There are diminishing returns but different instances of the same type of antiheal don't stack IIRC (like if your team all has healbane)
Make sure you aren't full counterbuying against him or anyone and you're still building damage, if you're playing an M1 he also has crazy bullet resist on ice path (35%)
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>not particularly fed on Mina, 4/2/5 or something like that
>shoving green past midline
>all of a sudden 4 people jump me with knock down, mokrill ult, etc
>get focused every single teamfight while our wraith gets to freely spray and melt niggas
>end 5/9/10 while the wraith is like 12-1
i cant be mad because we still won but what the fuck were they trying to specifically tilt me out of the game
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>>563490949
>if you're playing an M1 he also has crazy bullet resist on ice path (35%)
Well that explains why I do nothing against him as Silver. Thank you Yoshi he wasn't tanky already.
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Adulthood is realizing it's not matchmaking but rather abysmal dogshit disparity between hero win rates and that the developers are already overwhelmed with the existing cast size.
Reddit balancing doesn't help when you have low tier characters that get nerfed because (one eceleb) found it annoying in a tournament.
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>>563491190
nice cope but killing the hero who kills anyone for free when he presses 4 on a 50 second cooldown is high priority
judging from his post hes seeker at best since they need to split the CC between mina and wraith who can both press the funny 2 button and get out of any situation for free
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>>563491493
There are late-game carries that are also okay to strong early game. Easy to use but strong characters, hard to use but niche and okay characters.
They just don't know what to do with the balance.
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>>563491631
I've said it before many times but EVERY end game hero needs to be hard nerfed and given a near unplayable early game. When you have a wraith, venator, seven on your lane you should expect them to go 0/5 in lane not turbo stomp because they do literally everything and are solid at every stage of the game.
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>>563491631
Simplest characters are sitting at 56% win rate, hardest most technical characters are sitting at 45% win rate. I've long been told by DOTA fans how superior Icefrog's balancing is, but this is abysmal. And it's been like this for a while too.
But I guess I could be a moron and just blame the nebulous matchmaking that they can totally just tweak with elbow grease (ignore how the playerbase spiked into 100k+ and is still dogshit).
I think the winning decision is to just not play. Choosing the patch's cheese character and running it down isn't fun. It's so bad it feels like bug abuse.
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Only the strongest will survive
Lead me to Heaven when we die
I am a shadow on the wall
I'll be the one to save us all
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>>563492204
SENDING TORNADO
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>>563492010
yeah you dont have to aim it, having anyone in the giant 30 meter wide circle will ensure the auto-aim bats kill them for free while you are in the skybox (you can use bat transform during the ult too without interrupting it, the ult really needed that or it was too weak otherwise)
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>>563491631
I dont look at winrates. Who Is supposed to be broken right now? The only character that feels overtuned to me is Dynamo but I like playing him and I also know how tonl play against him well so I dont ban him
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you have not won yet !
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>>563492815
Haze is only nerfed in the context of 1v5 ults. Now her ult is more for targetting one to two people tops. Everything else got buffed. Still broken but there's a mild IQ check now.
The biggest problem is that we now have a gutter tier. Look at Eternus hero win rates and how comedic the disparity is. Some characters exist just to die on repeat and feed a streamer's ego I guess. Like that's all they do.
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>>563492815
how is Mirage a statchecker? I last tried him a few weeks ago and iirc the build was like a midrange debuff spammer with like silencer and ricochet pinging his djinn mark around
it felt kinda low damage but the global teleport was kinda nice
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>>563492815
Nigfernus is annoying to play against but I wouldn't put him with the rest, his early game is also weaker than the others if he isn't a good aimer + against people not playing cover. Wraith, Dynamo, and Mirage have the luxury of being lane bullies while also scaling (Dynamo doesn't scale as well but he's good at basically every part of the game)
It's insane to me they gave the best coinflip ulter in the game good spirit nuke and god tier utility, I really don't know what their balancing philosophy is at this point.
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I swear I'm just getting every meta-abuser on my team who spammed haze games last patch to boost their elo. No fucking way these farm animals have earned their rank when they don't even know how to farm jungle/objectives.
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>>563493047
He's a bit more playable against true, but I just don't think he's fun to play against at any point of the game. Same thing with wraith I guess but wraith is more straight up retard proof with ridiculously high mixed damage and the best single target disable in the entire game... that also lasts forever.
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