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Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!
/sthg/ #9241 - what he singen? Edition
==NEWS==
>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversary
https://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027
https://x.com/SonicMovie
==Comic Release Dates==
Sonic the Hedgehog #86 - 22 April 2026
DC x Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #1 - 06 May 2026
DC x Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #2 - 03 June 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #87 - 10 June 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #88 - 24 June 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog x Godzilla #1 - Summer 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog: 35th Anniversary Special - 15 December 2026
==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==
https://rentry.org/sthglinks
>Milestone pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4
>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet
>Perfect System Collection:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection
>Sonic comic scans:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics
>Sonic shows:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows
>SAGE
https://sagexpo.org/
>SHC
https://shc.zone/
>#10000 Project
https://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4r
>/sthg/ booru:
https://sthg.booru.org/
>/sthg/ CyTube:
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>/sthg/ Pixel World:
https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthg
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We're so Back is temporary.
It's still Over.
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The site is breaking
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Honey the Cat!
Blaze the Cat!
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The site is breaking anniversary!
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kys randomfox
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I said POST YOUR STAT CARDS
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Amy!!
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Sonic has movienic's personality in the Sonic Superstars manga. Also look at Amy and her smartphone.
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You better be a prince or a lawyer or something...
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With his recent addition to the roster of Crossworlds, this is now an angry birds general where we will all acknowledge Red as the new alpha male among the sonic cast. None can stand against his wrathful might though they may try. Bitchdow cowers in his presence, shitnic kneels out of fear and respect, and cuckles hangs his head in shame for being the lesser angry powerhouse that's colored red. Amy, Rouge, and Shitaze relinquish themselves to him as an offering to be his personal harem.
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you can't just hoard all of the cute cats in the kingdom!
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The Amy dutch doll...
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YOUR GREED WILL DESTROY THE REALM ANDBLAZE'SPRECIOUS CAT INNOCENCE
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It should have been our timeline....
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Cute cats!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf4D0OFmuPs
It's been an endless ache, the desire to breathe you in until I gasp.
Because you disappeared, just too familiar
Can't you stay outside with me a lifetime longer?
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If this goes through, Good Night
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A question just popped in my head: Once the run of IDW ends, would those original characters be vaulted like the Archie characters were? While I don't particulary care for IDW, it would be such a shame to lose the rights to those characters if it is a shared ip thing.
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>I swear to god, Rouge, if you put porn on this....
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Which is?
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>they've learned their lesson
I hope so. Like I am fine if they are stuck in non mainlines games but I would like sega to still use them since of course they can't with archie it seems, as to why I even asked in the first place.
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Is Sonic raping a male homosexual or is Sonic so masculine that all men are like women to him?
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It's always gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOJE-k40ss
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my dumbass misread MAMA as MAGA
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Sonic the Chudhog
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Based, I knew Ian was /ourguy/.
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If Sega was smart they'd have made a good game with Sonic in the last 20 years, Ian is the least of their problems.
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Sonic 06 could've been good if Sega had given Sonic Team more time to develop the game. Sure, the story needs a few changes but the character models were new and cool, the soundtrack wa solid, and the environments were detailed and beautiful.
If 06 had been good, future Sonic games would've retained the multiple playable characters formula and serious story tone. The meta era and current brand era would've never happened. 06 being trash was the worst tragedy for the franchise because of what it lead to eventually
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Worse, it's doomed to live forever because Sonic fans are autistic furries who will buy literally anything with the brand on it. We will descend to depths you cannot imagine because Sonictards never learned how to say "no, I will not eat the slop."
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Iizuka hasn't directed a game since Superstars and I say that Iizuka is a better director than he is a leader of Sonic Team
Maekawa wasn't a bad writer because he actually understood the characters, unlike Ian Flynn
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>Sonic 06 could've been good if Sega had given Sonic Team more time to develop the game.
They cancelled that PS3 game to get more hands on it. The problem was that the PS3 team wanted yo add in stuff from that cancelled game like Silver's character and his mechanics , giving more work for everyone to do by the end of 05.
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There's also the fact that Sonic Team was split between those developing 06 and those developing Riders. Riders was cool because of the soundtrack, clothing and accessories, and hoverboard gameplay but 06 really needed all hands to be on deck
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I did not buy Frontiers because it was not the high-quality, open world game I wish it had been. There was almost nothing to explore or interact with in the islands and the story is boring and soulless. I refused to eat the slop unlike the consoomers and brand loyalists calling it peak and a step in the right direction
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Cream would say nigger
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>>563705291 (me)
This is what Frontiers looked like - a bunch of assets loosely copied and pasted throughout generic environments that resemble the Windows XP wallpaper and yet these ultraliberal, low-attention-span zoomers on Youtube and TikTok were calling it "peak aura fr fr no cap y'all blud MFs"
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>>563705467
Every time you complain about it, the word becomes more powerful, and so I'll be using it even more. Nigger.
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Kurimu the sex!
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You don't know the half of it...
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You must be at least 18 to browse this website. Go back to your Mickey Mouse Clubhouse marathons.
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But enough about IDW.
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we can tell you're underaged because the only way you know how to reply is "kys"
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>You must be at least 18 to browse this website. Go back to your Mickey Mouse Clubhouse marathons.
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of course it's a fucking blazefag too
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I gotta admit I wasn't expecting to be in such great company - a blazefag and a marinefag side by side, we're practically unstoppable! Yeah!!!
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KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS KILL ALL BLAZEFAGS
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y'know, the obvious schizoposting made me think a bit, has Blaze ever actually done like, ANYTHING of note, like at all, the rush games are spinoff titles, not being mainline at all, she's only ever had major appearances IN spinoffs, not being important at all, she's never gotten that much focus in the comics, is Blaze basically a fucking bum people keep passing up for no fucking reason, is she ACTUALLY the potential man (or in this case, potential girl) of the franchise?
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Also, Sonic is too confident and competent. Amo's power needs to make Sonic doubt himself, especially after he accidentally makes things worse (and the girlboss donut steels scold him for it) and is forced to reexamine what kind of hero he is.
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samefag
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>>563707887
there's only one unfunny redditor tourist posting random epic cartoon reaction images, and we can see your image #'s line up here.
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you are absolutely underage and the fact that you thought nobody here could deduce something this simple is pitiful
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Is captcha doing better today?
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anon I think if I had to deal with the same shit on almost the fucking daily I'd have a mental breakdown too, if I had to deal with an Eggman scheme for the 201737th time that month I'd honestly kill myself
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Maybe there should be forced ID checks for internet use after all
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>Why yes, projecting my personal mental issues on a character is "character development"
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honestly I'd take a bubsy thread over what the fuck is currently going on, the thread is being EXTRA insufferable today (especially since there's more than one blazefag seemingly, they're always the most annoying characterfags, even more than tailspedos and shadowfags)
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you say this like they didn't catch you being a nigger just now
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When you really think about it, Whisper is the Sonic of IDW. All of the characters start transforming to be crybabies more like her. Very clever writing.
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Did you wanna talk about group sex?
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NTA but I want to talk about Vanilla's massive, voluptuous personality
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hi blossomfag, take a quick rundown
>some guy said they didn't like the n-word being said normally around here, got dogpiled, same guy got jumped on by blazefags, tried to fight back, won out for a little bit, lost
personally I'd just skip browsing the thread tonight, doesn't seem worth it
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Old ass male fans (30+) unironically liked Archie Silver because it explored the future and they compare him to Trunks
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Considering the fact that Archie characters still have more fanart than IDW characters it's safe to say Archie is completely dead and off brand in the eyes of Sega. You will never get anything from it again except for stupid crap like Abraham Tower. Its legacy is being a long list of mandates to stop anyone from making another Archie.
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okay then, sure, see you next thread anons, hopefully it's less dogshit
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maybe you should apply the hatred you fucks have towards me on someone else, y'know?
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How do we fix Silver?
So he doesn't breed.
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I don't hate you, I feel utterly indifferent to you. You barely register as being noteworthy aside from "some autist who thinks it's special". I hate the retards who acknowledge you significantly more than you, because you're too autistic to know better
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OKAY BLAZEFAG MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED TO ATTACK OTHERS TO FUEL YOUR FUCKING SUPERIORITY COMPLEX YOU FUCKING WASTE OF LIFE, YOUR MOTHER SHOULD'VE GONE THROUGH WITH THAT FUCKING ABORTION, NOBODY LOVES YOU AND YOU'LL FUCKING DIE ALONE
"OH!!! NIGGER!!! NIGGER!!! IM SO COOL AND EDGY BY SAYING THAT WORD!!!" FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
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My girlfriend loves Powderpuff Girls, it's her favorite cartoon. I put up with it for the pussy. Not that she's much better, I'm pretty sure she puts up with my Sonic autism for the D.
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Here is Surge pregnant with Sonic's child
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fuck off you retarded junglebunny jigaboo spear chucking moon cricket coonskin nigger
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We talking about blaze? Blaze is pretty fucking cool, it'd be neat if she got another game or got to go burning blaze again in the next game. With cream! Burning blaze and Icy Cream!
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"OHHH!!! SAMENIGGER!!!! YOU'RE TOTALLY THE SAME FUCKING PERSON WHEN YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! HAHAHAHA!!!" YOU'RE A FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT YOU GODDAMN RETARD, YOU BENEFIT FUCKING NOTHING TO SOCIETY EXCEPT BEING A FUCKING LEECH IN THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW'S LIVES, EVERY SINGLE PERSON YOU KNOW'S LIFE WOULD LEGITIMATELY GODDAMN IMPROVE WHEN YOU KICK THE FUCKING BUCKET YOU FUCKING WASTE OF O-ZONE LAYER, DO ALL OF US A FAVOR HERE AND JUST DO THE FUCKING DEED, KILL YOURSELF, STICK A FORK IN A SOCKET, TAKE A BATH WITH A TOASTER, JUMP OFF A BRIDGE, LET YOURSELF GET RAN OVER, ANYTHING THAT WOULD END UP WITH YOU FUCKING 6 FEET UNDERGROUND WOULD BE PREFERRED YOU GODDAMN RETARD, FUCKING OFF YOURSELF NOBODY WILL MISS YOU FUCKING OFF YOURSELF NOBODY WILL MISS YOU FUCKING OFF YOURSELF NOBODY WILL MISS YOU FUCKING OFF YOURSELF NOBODY WILL MISS YOU FUCKING OFF YOURSELF NOBODY WILL MISS YOU FUCKING OFF YOURSELF NOBODY WILL MISS YOU YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE YOU WILL DIE ALONE WITH NO FRIENDS NOBODY WILL CARE WHEN YOU'RE GONE
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THE POWER WITHIN
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Dykes are a propaganda technique used to soften the true ugliness of homosexuality and to make people like it. It's very Jewish in behavior to take a fictional female character that's feminine and heterosexual and then turn her into a lesbian. That's how Jews debase art
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>>563710231
Blaze is THE ONLY character that has the privilege of being a skin-swap for Sonic, indicating that she is exactly as capable as him in terms of power, which puts her above a whole fucking lot of people. She is just "AU Sonic", so you're correct.
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>>563710231
Who would win in a fight? Blaze the "Most Powerful Modern Female" Cat, or Honey the "Most Powerful Fighters Character" Cat?
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He look, it's a bunch of niggers.
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>>563710482
I'm not entirely convinced this isn't a ploy for you to add more Blaze images to your collection!
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>>563710492
>Blaze is THE ONLY character that has the privilege of being a skin-swap for Sonic,
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She's so slow that she had to be given a time-stop function in Battle so she could actually keep up with anyone, so it's not really a skin swap so much as it is Amy occupying the slot. Sorry, I should have been more clear.
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no means fucking no, anon, piss off
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>Heroes was liked for returning to the series's root and ditching the Adventure games' more complex gameplay
>Is now hated for the exact same reasons
What caused the switch up?
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Welp, I guess the Blazeposters won...
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>>563711069
As expected
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>>563711167
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>>563710648
>Honey can't go super
If you're counting Burning Blaze, I'm counting Hyper Mode.
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>>563711167
I mean he was clearly banned since his posts were deleted but what do you expect?
If a newfag starts having a meltdown over no-no words, of course polfags will also get triggered and start spamming heinous shit
It's been this way for at least a decade, maybe even before 2016
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Hi, I look back and /Sthg/ seems overclocked. Are we back? Did Nicole get rebooted? Got it out of your systems?
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>Cheese: "You did it cream! You got all the power rings!"
>Cheese: "The chao can return to a life of peaceful existence!"
>Cream: "This would be a perfect end to the day except for one thing."
>Cheese: "What's that? Did we miss something?"
>Cream: "Yeah. I still gotta finish my choirs when I get home!"
>Both: "HAHAHAHAHA!"
>THE END
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>>563711795
Remember when Cheese could say a few words?
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Mmm pija... Peploni peja...
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>>563712709
Sexen die Rabbitten
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>>563711509
Iactually prefer it this way, the original multiplayer was more balanced whereas Battle went overboard and made the extra characters broken.
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G-golly! For me? You shouldn't have.
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Cream going into heat and absentmindedly flirting with you without even realizing it
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penis.
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Good night, /sthg/
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>>563713206
Cummen in die Rabitten
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>>563713746
Think she'll be sexier in the eventual model update? Although it's cream so sexier is just cuter
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I love Shadow and Archie.
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>>563713728
I think you're misinterpreting her appearance a bit
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ooough underage sexo...
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'sup bitches, I did my time, did you do yours?
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>>563713998
I really want to see her panties. Shame Sega ain't got the balls
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>>563714758
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>>563714758
Yeah the weird boy shorts are probably a permanent edition. At least it's not a black void
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Teirusu! Doko da!?
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>>563715207
OVA had a Hero's Journey story structure.
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>>563715167
It's made for ME.
Fun fact besides rouge cream has the largest hips in comparison to her size of any character
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>>563716640
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>>563703576
>Lived nine lives, spun dash 10
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Erm...nwhen you guys talk about sex with the characters... You're just joking right? You're doing like southpark humor right? You don't actually wanna fuck the child characters right cause that's a little... Like I get that it's 4chan but that's not okay.
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>>563717105
I self insert as them. Zoophilia is mental illness
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>>563717473
Fictional cartoon characters have copyrights.
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>>563718874
>it's okay to goon to cream but not maria
don't be speciesist anon
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>Does someone really goon to Maria or it's a joke
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Except when it involves the MJ estate.
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>>563697646
Fine taste.
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>>563719789
Fine taste.
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>>563700895
He's always doing that.
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Hot. What's missing is Maria getting anal gaped while sissydow watches in the corner
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>>563707285
>one place
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With the whole recent Avatar movie mess, I've been thinking... do you believe that Sega would have legal grounds to sue Paramount?
Sega based half of the Crossworlds' Season Pass on Paramount properties, probably expecting some big cross-promotional sinergy, and while they got that with the Spongebob movie, TMNT Mutant Mayhem 2 has been delayed to 2027, and Avatar got pulled out of cinemas and now even leaked by mistake by Paramount itself. They basically killed most, if not all of the hype for the rest of the pass
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I, Blaze the cat, Princess of the Sol dimensions have an important announcement for you my lowest
I hate niggers!
That's all, you may resume your plebian activities
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What are they doing in Turkey
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Sex with Robotnik girls is morally correct
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>Anti-Sonic has a corruption fetish
>Sonic has a redemption fetish
Another win for Sonurgefags
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>>563721379
Based flat female artistocat.
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>>563721445
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>>563711439
Nothing he hasn't seen before.
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>>563721269
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>>563707562
The Rush games portray Blaze as her world's answer to Sonic. Sonic & Blaze are the only playable characters that fight the Eggmen, collect the 7 Emeralds, and have the super/burning transformation in the final boss.
So that creates the expectation that Blaze the Cat is a Sonic-tier character who scales to him and has his level of importance and capability, but with a Sally-like personality built from blending Tails, Amy & Knuckles together into one total "Nega-Sonic" persona.
Of course, Blaze's lack of significant appearances anywhere else causes this fundamental role she's designed for to not have much of a presence anywhere else. But honestly, that's no different from many other characters in the franchise whose debut game(s) are where they shine the brightest, only for later games to completely squander that potential.
Every character in this franchise is a potential man. Including Sonic himself.
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>>563603854
That’s not her ordering him around, that’s her telling him to get a move on. The scene right before this had them agree that killing Sonic was their only option (which Silver decided on) but Silver could still sense problems with it. His entire story is driven by HIS decisions and what HE decides to do. Other characters offer him guidance and options but he still chooses the options. Blaze provides council but still spends the whole story following him. The only choice she makes is taking on Iblis when she realizes that she’s a compatible vessel and right after that Silver refuses to do what she says and seal her away. You act like Blaze decides their every action when Silver consistently initiates everything and Blaze follows and grounds him.
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>With cream!
Cream is Amy's sidekick, Blaze has Marine.
Or just group all the girl's together where Amy is the main character that acts like Sonic and Blaze is the leader who gets the Sonic status (emeralds and such), and Cream and Rouge and Marine and whomever else are all there aswelel.
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>>563710745
>She's so slow that she had to be given a time-stop function in Battle so she could actually keep up with anyone,
False.
"Time Stop" is Sonic's ability to match Shadow's "Chaos Control". Amy does not stop time, "Amy Flash" ONLY paralyzes the opponent for a longer duration of time than Time Stop or Chaos Control's effects last.
The 2P Action Race characters are Sonic, Shadow, Metal & Amy. That is three Sonic clones that Amy is going up against, of course she is going to be slower by comparison. But slower than Sonic does not mean being slow, in general. Amy's advantage in SA2:B is her own special attacks being available with fewer rings.
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>so it's not really a skin swap so much as it is Amy occupying the slot
NEITHER Amy or Blaze are "Sonic skin-swaps". That is false.
Amy in Sonic Heroes or Advance 2, and Blaze in Sonic Rush, follow the Tails & Knuckles formula. They play very similarly to Sonic, but with a few specific differences in abilities only they possess. For example, Amy's propeller hammer in Heroes or Blaze's Burst Hover in Rush, while also sharing the same general mov set that Sonic does in the respective games up to a certain degree.
The idea that Blaze was ever a skinswap of Sonic is just completely false, that was never true. She's also SLOWER than Sonic in Sonic Rush, as well.
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Cream was blazes little buddy long before midrine ever existed. Marine has no point and bringing her back would just feel forced. Cream should also be kept away from Amy to avoid being turned into a depressing parody of herself
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Cream didn't turn Amy into a schizophrenic girl boss who lost her purpose, the writers did that on they own. Cream is just cute and adventurous and a little bit up her own and everyone else's ass when it comes to behaving properly.
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What they have in common is being opposite to Sonic.
How "opposite to Sonic" is interpreted differs in certain aspects, but the fundamental baseline is theoretically the same. Sally is more like taking Rouge-like traits and stacking them on top of being Sonic's opposite rather than Sonic as a Catwoman archetype, while Blaze is a total opposite of Rouge as well.
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I always wondered why Nintendo abandoned their generational-wide incredibly successful lead in the handheld market for something that is absolutely not a fucking portable handheld and costs over 300~400$+
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>>563724675
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Cream was designed to be Amy's sidekick to justify Team Rose being a thing.
Amy & Cream were fine together in Sonic Heroes, it's only everything else that got their dynamic wrong or over-exaggerated.
They are simply "Girl Sonic & Girl Tails", the problem only happens when you isolate "Girl" as the dominant personality trait(?) excluded from the Sonic/Tails-like trats, and force one of them to be the antithesis to that "girliness".
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>>563724084
But Cream isn't Amy's sidekick she can fill in as one but that's not her main job, her main job is to be the cutesy baby sister character to the cast as a whole
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You're confusing design intent with justification for existence. Cream exists at all because they needed a fly type for Amy's group. The idea that her role was to be like tails is to sonic on a narrative level is something you made up. Cream spends most of her in game existence alone, even in heros where she and big spend more time thinking about their pets than engaging with meaningful conversations with Amy. And it ends with Amy ditching them to chase sonic and since then any time cream was with Amy it's because Amy is forcing her into some bullshit.
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Cream is Girl Tails.
In my opinion, keeping her focus as "Amy's sidekick" is better, because otherwise, you'd end up using her to outright replace both Amy and Cream simultaneously. Like pairing her with Shadow, is just that.
You want Shadow to have his own Tails, but you also want the Shadow and Maria dynamic. So it's like putting Cream into roles that would otherwise go to Tails while also portraying Cream's personality in ways that would otherwise just be Amy.
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>And it ends with Amy ditching them to chase sonic
That never happened.
Cream pointed out to Amy that Sonic was there. Amy said bye and ran off, and Cream & Big laughed.
Amy never "ditched" anyone.
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She was slow and a damsel because she was GIRL Sonic.
Being a girl meant being a damsel that needed the guy to save her. And so her story in Sonic Adventure is proving that narrative wrong, and now she's a girl "Boss" and her Sonic Channel profile says that her use of her hammer "puts any man to shame".
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But shadow hates tails. He whoops his ass on sight multiple times, why would anyone give that roll to tails when tails already has sonic also maria was an older sister vibe which you can argue amy has when she's not written like an absolute psychopath but nobody does little adorable sister besides cream. Do you not have a cute little imouto? Do you even know how that character archetype works?
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>But shadow hates tails.
That is a complete lie that the fandom made up, Shadow has no significant opinion on Tails one way or the other. Any time Shadow fought Tails, it was simply because he was in the way of Shadow's goal or whatever. Shadow has a pragmatic "for the sake of the mission" personality. If he had to reach a specific destination, but a baby or a puppy was in the way and the only way through was to kill them, Shadow would do it without a second thought unless someone like Maria stopped him.
>why would anyone give that roll to tails when tails already has sonic
So why give the role to Cream when Cream already has Amy?
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Also, I watch anime, I know what the "imouto" archetype is.
My "Cream" character in my project is largely based on "Shiro" from No Game No Life.
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Not portable
So those commercials they made with people bringing the switch around to rooftop parties and everyone playing video games where all lies?!
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>Ugh… god he’s touching me again. Can’t he just fuck off, I already told him this was a BUSINESS partnership. Does he think I didn’t see the viagra he dropped earlier? He probably needs like 5 just to get it up. *urp* He smells like a dumpster, this is way past old man smell. God I wish Charmy were here, instead, my little Honey Bee has so much energy, and he’s been getting a lot better in bed. I wonder if I can get Vector to let me have him for a bit… *sniff* blegh, but first I need to get this rank old bastard OFF of me.
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Cream on her own is just Girl Tails, which is what that is.
I feel like this is constantly being forgotten about Tails, no different than defaulting to Cream when someone can't make the connection that Amy is sweet and pure of heart.
It feels like a triangle between Tails, Amy & Cream. Tails is the kid character, Amy is the girl character, Cream is the kid + girl character that doubles up the "cuteness" or whatever in the way only a little sister can. But sometimes, it feels like among the fandom, she's often used to overshadow Tails & Amy entirely as well.
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Most of the time she appears in a sonic game she's doing something on her own. Advanced 2 was a picnic with her mom, advanced 3 she's sleeping in the middle of a dangerous zone because she got lost exploring, shado5 she was randomly wandering spooky castles, heros she meets up with Amy and big while already being out and about looking for chocola, in rush she meets blaze in another dangerous zone while on a walk, in battle she's getting dragged along and beaten on by Amy, in colors DS she randomly jumps on one of Eggmans elevators because she thought it looked fun, again on her own, in Mario sonic Tokyo Olympics she's exploring all of Japan on her own, and in dream team she's already been kidnapped by Eggman on her own when everyone busts in to shove size 12s up his ass. Cream is very much characterized to be the type of kid who goes outside and does random shit whenever the mood takes her
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>>563727080
So it's weird when people feel threatened by her existence because she's such a separate entity within the canon, role wise. Sonic is the main lead, tails is the primary support, Amy is the love interest and you have any flavor of rival for sonic of the week, and the rivals mirrors to the primarys secondaries, shadow has his primary love interest, his support (albeit not as well fleshed out). If you had only half a brain you'd say "ok well then I obviously cream occupys the role of the love interest friend" but she doesn't do that, because that role is a third level support who exists to support the love interests goal, if Cream was Amy's tails her role would be to assist Amy get to sonic or act as an emotional sponge to soak up Amy's leftover feelings when she's spurned, but the thing is that character type needs to also be kept away from the main character to avoid a conflict of interest, either as a love rival or a sympathizer to the leads wishes. Cream doesn't do that either, she's just around, having adventures on her own or with whoever else happens to be around. Child adventurer boom
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In fact a lot of the times cream is with Amy she's actively trying to stop Amy from going too far, she's almost antagonistic to Amy's goal because she sympathizes too much with sonic, because he's her friend too
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I had a dream they made something to do with shipping based on this starring amy with sonic, shadow and knuckles and versions or endings or whatever. amy hellokitty shipping game
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>>563728650
Sonic is expressly for children and the adults obsessed with children's media. Sonic is not an "everyone" franchise. It's not Transformers, TMNT, or Marvel. It has no content expressly targeting adults.
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>hellokitty wife...
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>>563727006
Fokkusu boi...doko de...
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>>563725203
Shadow, Cream and Shadow, Tails would have a completely different dynamic, don't pigeonhole characters into roles you don't fully understand, Shadow may technically already have his own Tails in Rouge but their actual relationship couldn't be more different from Sonic and Tails's
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>>563729757
He's right here!
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In kinda worried about his idea for his cream analog I suddenly have the impression he's going to make her this weird demure incels idea of a tradwife by making her kinda hopeless and insecure and feeble basically give her all of tails "negative traits" so his tails analogue can drop all those traits and also play savior to her and have her immediately latch onto him and give him the obligatory hole of validation. He'll probably have her say some corny shit to not tails like "y-you taught me how to be brave..." And then he fucks her
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>>563729992
>two and three
That makes five...Sonic the Hedgehog 5 CONFIRMED???
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>>563730159
Should a Sonic 5 be Modern or Classic themed?
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>>563729809
Rouge isn't a Tails role at all, that's not what 'Shadow & Rouge' is in the slightest.
Tails is specifically a kid-sidekick, Rouge will never be that in any way whatsoever.
Anyone who says Rouge is Shadow's Tails has no idea what they are talking about.
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>Shadow, Cream and Shadow, Tails would have a completely different dynamic
The difference is boy vs girl.
The young boy gets expected to toughen up or else he's a wimp, the young girl is coddled even if she's just as tough.
That's all there is too it.
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>The young boy gets expected to toughen up or else he's a wimp, the young girl is coddled even if she's just as tough
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>>563730650
Tails gets coddled all the time. We just know shadow wouldn't, and people assumr he would for cream, even though he'd probably tell her to lock in, except cream wouldn't need it because she's been shown self locking in every time she hesitates. She isn't insecure like tails is
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>>563730601
Classicbecause Sonic 4 will no doubt get remastered if it happens and they'll obviously add a Classic visual toggle.
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>>563730850
Yeah that makes sense
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Insecurity is just a character trait
>Tails gets coddled all the time
He doesn't. Meanwhile Cream gets talked down like a baby
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I feel it was a missed opportunity to not do what Sonic Pocket Adventure was doing.
>colored eyes, classic proportions in sprites
>Robotnik switches outfits later in the game
Some kind of blend instead of just Modern stock art. Of course, it makes sense when you consider it wasn't always a numbered title in development, but it's funny in retrospect that they just missed Classic Sonic's return.
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>>563731278
Pocket Adventure was like that because it began as a Sonic 2 remake. I like the look too
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>>563731119
She is a baby. She's six. She gets annoyed when it happens and it's part of the gimmick of her being significantly more capable than she appears. Meanwhile everyone is giving tails back pats and good jobs for being mildly successful because it meant he stopped crying long enough to actually do something. Tails is a krillin, Cream is a season 1 DB goku
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>>563730850
where does that spoiler come from?
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>>563731629
Tails constantly helps in the vast majority of his appearances but as always you won't count those contributions because of arbitrary reasons like "that isn't a feat of strength" or whatever
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>Rouge isn't a Tails role at all, that's not what 'Shadow & Rouge' is in the slightest.
Says the guy arguing Cream shouldn't be paired with Blaze because "She's Amy's sidekick" all of a sudden Now these character can have varied and nuanced relationships and roles without having to fit into the Fast leader, Flying sidekick and Comic relief strongman presets
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>>563728798
Draw this Rotor here chilling with his Chaos Soda bottle.
>>563730732
I will spam the fuck out of that Rotor you will draw, and that tells you enough just how good of idea is it.
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>>563711019
Is that why it's hated? Are you sure it's not the fact that the writing is shit, the story is almost non-existent, and you have to play the same game FOUR times to get to the last boss? Are you sure it's not that?
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>>563731823
He supports, his job is to help make sonics job easier. This sucks because it's sonic the fuck you hog. He can do a lot of it alone so tails actual contributions are either minor (some gadget that helps sonic be cooler) or incidental, like arrive in time to pull a level to free sonic from a trap that he got stuck in literally just to give tails something to do. Cream, on the other hand, has the opposite problem where nobody wants to give her the chance to do anything because they're worried about her, so when she does anything it's usually in spite of everyone else trying to stop her because she cannot be stopped if her cause is noble and just because she's a tiny sonic
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>>563731983
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>>563714758
>I really want to see her panties.
Okay.
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>>563732163
Feed your hog with cheese and ham
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>>563732149
Buddy by this logic you literally don't need any character other than Sonic. You're one step removed from the "shitty friends" argument. Sonic goes out of his way to have adventures with Tails because they complement each other perfectly and together they're unbeatable, it's the "Unbreakable Bond" thing. Tails not only can replicate Sonic's speed to an extent but he also can rival Eggman in intellect making him a bridge between the natural and artificial which makes him very much useful
Cream doesn't have that symbolism or character because she doesn't really have much going on beyond being "little girl"
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>>563730036
>I suddenly have the impression he's going to make her this weird demure incels idea of a tradwife by making her kinda hopeless and insecure and feeble
...That's not at all how I envision my Cream analog character.
It'd be more accurate to say that she's more like blending Sage into Cream, to heighten the contrast with Amy _and_ comparison to Tails, on the surface. The way I construct the character, she IS "insecure" in her own way, not not hopeless or feeble. She's the kind of person whose insecurity is expressed through aggression and acting tough, but that's hidden behind an icy cold, emotionless AI-like facade. Because really, she's inspired by Shiro from No Game No Life combined with Natsuki from Doki Doki Literature Club, which then leads to me drawing heavily from Shoto Todoroki for what her home life is actually like and how it's shaped her.
>basically give her all of tails "negative traits" so his tails analogue can drop all those traits and also play savior to her and have her immediately latch onto him and give him the obligatory hole of validation.
Having her represent the "negative traits" is what I plan to do in some way, in the beginning at least, but not like that. The general idea I have for the both of them is that they essentially start off like ... Sora & Shiro from No Game No Life, as shut-ins hiding away from the outside world, until the Sonic analog suddenly shows up at their bedroom window. The Tails character follows "Sonic" outside, but the Cream analog stays behind. Which later on gets interpreted as "he left me behind", because certain major plot events that happen after this cause her own home life to become extremely terrible or something, and she blames it all on him. So when they cross paths again, and she has a Cheese analog that's secretly the Chaos analog in disguise, she picks a fight with him. But the only one who'd be able to break through to her has to be the Amy analog, not the Tails.
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>To Sonic, Tails is like a cute little brother figure who looks up to him, and also a dependable partner. He spins his two tails like propellers to accelerate, and can even fly through the air…! He’s a trustworthy presence who somehow keeps up with Sonic’s speed and even rescues him from danger with his flying ability.
>Plus, Tails’s mechanical skills and sharp mind support Sonic in countless ways.
>Sonic places immense trust in Tails, who expands his horizons and sometimes even lights the way forward.
>But the greatest strength of this duo is surely their “bond of the heart.”
>Sonic is certain that with Tails, and Tails is certain that with Sonic, they can overcome any crisis.
>They understand what the other needs without needing to say a word. Perhaps something beyond mere trust exists between them.
>These two will surely continue dashing through countless adventures together. As the fastest and greatest duo…!
Cream will never have this btw
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>He'll probably have her say some corny shit to not tails like "y-you taught me how to be brave..."
Absolutely not, 'cause the Tails analog himself still has to learn to be brave himself, first.
Being the Cream analog means she's the "Girl-" equivalent to his Tails role. So if I classify him as a "player avatar" meta-role in the narrative, she has to fulfill a variation of that same role but from a different perspective. So, her own character arc and evolution must mirror his. I don't want to make her look weak to make him look cooler, 'cause that's stupid. They are both in the same relative position.
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Cream can also keep up with sonic and bridges that gap with eggman in kindness vs cruelty which makes her an emotional foil to him, also they have personal beef cause Eggman tried to rape her mom or something and also he mind raped her dreams. Also metal raped cheese. What's up with the eggman family what's their fucking problem with the rabbits?
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>>563731930
Cream is Girl Tails.
Rouge is Nega Knuckles, and thus Girl Sonic II. That role is being ignored in favor of "Shadow's support", which leads to claiming she's his "Tails", when that is completely false and misses the point of both Rouge & Tails individually.
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Ability-wise, Cream is Tails but replace gadgets with Cheese.
If Tails can keep up with Sonic by flying, beat Sonic in a race, and do almost anything Sonic can do, so can Cream.
And this immediately reflects back on Amy's Girl Sonic role by automatically necessitating Amy be able to mirror Sonic's abilities just as much, or else the very concept of "Team Rose" that Cream was designed for falls apart.
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>>563732149
I get the brains and brawn thing. But you need Doctor Who levels of genius to compare to Sonic's brawn. Tails is like a mid Jimmy Neutron. Not even Dexter levels of bullshit science. Tails is not a fun tech guy.
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>>563733284
>If Tails can keep up with Sonic by flying, beat Sonic in a race, and do almost anything Sonic can do, so can Cream
No Tails being as fast as Sonic is relevant to his symbolism. The only other characters that have that are Shadow Metal Sonic and maybe Amy
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>>563733078
But Rouge is Shadow's tails. It's how her character actually settled into the franchise. The SA2 version of her character copied knuckles moveset, but that was purely for gameplay reasons and, like the OST, was non-diegetic. In other words, rouge being a knuckles-like character isn't canon. Her being a tails-like is. In SA2 rouge and her personality weren't all that developed, but by heroes and 06 she definitely was and she's through and through more shadow's tails more than she was ever nega-knuckles
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>>563733337
Tails builds cool mecha and hacks that's fundamentally cool
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>>563733402
Cream was described at one point to be able to keep up with Sonic.
Tails' own character role does necessitate he be in a league of his own, but that's hard to balance with the entire cast needing to be able to keep up with Sonic in different ways as well. Cream only really needs to keep up with Amy, but Amy is AMY who automatically has to keep up with Sonic just as much as Tails does if Amy has any capability at all, and so Cream's own role being tied to Amy + Tails causes the "keep up with Sonic" trait to pass onto her as well.
If Tails can do it, and Amy can do it, Cream must also be able to do it.
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It's been 2 days without being able to post Silver in 4chan. So open up, you are going to eat this
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>>563733513
>But Rouge is Shadow's tails
No she isn't, because Tails is "Kid Sidekick".
Catwoman is not Robin.
the entire rest of the post is you just making stuff up. Rouge by design is Nega-Knuckles, that is her role and that never changed. She's always been that, and an ally to Shadow on the "Dark Side". Being Shadow's ally is not being his "Tails". Rouge is not Tails, at all.
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>Sonic and Cream
Worked for DK.
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>>563733773
Rouge's design wasn't finalized when she was in SA2 lol, that much is apparent. They improved her character by modeling her more closely after tails and ditching her knuckles association. She's the catwoman to shadow's batman in canon and also is shadow's sidekick. She can't be nega-knuckles because rouge has had next to no connection to knuckles for 20 years.
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>Rouge's design wasn't finalized when she was in SA2 lol, that much is apparent.
No, you made that up.
Rouge hasn't changed since SA2 at all. She is the same character.
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>She can't be nega-knuckles because rouge has had next to no connection to knuckles for 20 years.
That is a complete lie, and you know it. Sonic Team continues to portray her as someone tied to Knuckles, that never changed.
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>Rouge hasn't changed since SA2 at all. She is the same character.
...ignoring the fact that for every game afterwards she's on a team, is no longer strong, and is much more of a tails analog.
>they continue to portray her as someone tied to knuckles
They do not. When was the last time those two interacted in a mainline game? When was the last time those two interacted in IDW?
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>>563734416
The only schizos are the ones who can't stand Tails just because he's a boy or those that constantly shit on him to prop up worse characters. It's ok to dislike Tails but if you say something idiotic about him I'll correct you
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>>563734376
She absolutely is Girl Tails. The only reason she's in Rush with Blaze is specifically because of this. She was created for Heroes, to be this for Amy, and included in Advance 2 prior to Heroes' release with the nigh-exact gameplay functionality as Tails. The whole appeal of her character is a cute little sister figure, which is literally the female version of Tails' role as the little brother figure.
But Cream doesn't have Tails' insecurity or Amy's romantic motivation, and her contrast to Amy is being more cool-headed than Amy is, which is the same way Sonic contrasts Amy. Thus, Cream -is- comparable to Sonic in some ways due to being tied to Tails & Amy on a conceptual level just as Sonic is. But Cream's own meta role is "Girl Tails". But somethings go in circles when you base something on something else that itself is based on another thing, the twists and turns will take you in a loop sometimes.
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>>563733606
Except cream keeping up with sonic was introduced in her first appearance in adv2 and doubled down on in gens, adv 3, battle (through fighting chaos powered e-100 solo), dream team and Crossworlds. The only time she needs to keep up with Amy is in heros, which she does effortlessly, and battle which she doesn't even bother to do because Amy was full on psychotic in that game to the point where even cream was getting stressed out. Oh also rush 1 where she keeps up with blaze who's a mirror sonic
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>>563734575
Rouge's strength never changed, she's still a powerful kickboxer and Dream Team has her as the Knuckles counterpart gameplay-wise.
Rouge was always on "Team Dark" since SA2 itself put her on the dark side, Heroes did NOT invent that either.
>When was the last time those two interacted in a mainline game?
When was the last time both were in a mainline game together in the first place? Forces?
Either way, Rouge and Knuckles have continued to have largely the same dynamic they've had since SA2, whenever they do interact. And Sonic Team continues to portray Rouge as having that dynamic with Knuckles.
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You guys need to separate gameplay things like two characters running together on screen vs canon information and symbolism
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>>563734685
>Except cream keeping up with sonic was introduced in her first appearance in adv2
Where Amy also plays like Sonic with a boost mode and everything as well.
Cream's introduction came alongside Amy going from her SA1 style to a Speed-type.
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I don't get sparkles obsession with tying characters to other characters like for tails it's a given, his entire being revolves around sonic, so does Amy, but characters like knuckles, cream, shadow, silver, blaze etc sorta float around doing their own thing. Sure they interact with sonic, and their friends, have unique chemistry with him but that's by nature of them interacting. Cream is especially vexing for him it feels like because her strongest ties are wholly removed from sonic, being that her strongest ties are to her mom, and cheese, her immediate family, like big is with froggy. Big and cream sit outside the sonic paradigm.
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>dream team
Is not canon. Even if it was, rouge having tails gameplay and bulma characterization for 20 years only for them to go on a nostalgia trip and give her the classic sa2 moveset just makes it an outlier.
>Either way, Rouge and Knuckles have continued to have largely the same dynamic they've had since SA2, whenever they do interact
"Whenever they do interact" which is basically never. Rouge has interacted more with sonic, tails and shadow than she ever has with knuckles. That dynamic is dead as a doornail and it should no longer factor into discussions about her character.
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Each of these characters were designed to fill a role towards someone else.
Cream is designed to be Amy's Tails, and Cream on her own is extremely "Girl Tails" 100% by concept of being the "little sister" archetype, whose main ability outside of Cheese is flying.
Knuckles is 'Sonic's Rival', and Blaze is the polar-opposite of Sonic and her world's answer to Sonic with her own set of Emeralds.
Shadow and Silver are Dark & Light Sonic.
Characters who aren't specifically designed around another in this kind of way are the Chaotix and Big. But even then, I suspect Espio might have been "____-Knuckles" in some way during his conceptualization, and Big is a slow-paced lazy Sonic where he's just as free and in-tune with nature but isn't action/speed oriented.
I feel like whenever I say stuff like this, you're assuming I'm not recognizing the individuality of the characters or whatever...? But that's not the case. I don't really get where stuff like
>I don't get sparkles obsession with tying characters to other characters
Is coming from. These characters weren't made in a vacuum. Not even Sonic was. Sonic is Cool-Mickey, designed to be a cooler mascot that could rival Mario and be SEGA's mascot and whatever else, drawing heavy inspiration from Felix the Cat and other 1920s rubberhose toons and the like. Sonic on his own is largely just Mickey Mouse if he never lost his original traits, and instead was amplified into a cooler, edgier version where the mischievousness is upgraded into free-spirited rebellion. And Eggman is like an Evil-Disney, hence his theme park obsession and showmanship.
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>Is not canon.
Yes it is.
Rouge is Kick-focused in Sonic Battle.
Rouge shares Knuckles' climbing and gliding in 06.
Rouge is paired with Knuckles for the entirety of Sonic Rivals 2.
Rouge is specifically a "treasure hunter" obsessed with jewels, to tie back to Knuckles and enforce that rivalry.
Rouge is still presented as a Knuckles-related character.
Rouge is tied to both Shadow and Knuckles since her introduction, it's not one or the other.
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>>563736018
nobody brings any of these things up except shadougefags. i have been here for a while and I know, you can larp, but you can't hide.
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Why are so many people intimidated by a young boy character with identifiable character traits
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>>563731527
>it began as a Sonic 2 remake
Source on that bro? Very little is knowb on the production other than SNK owns it somehow.
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>>563736148
No, Tails is specifically described as a little brother.
"Boy Amy" is Sonic himself.
Tails and Amy are the nega-equivalents to each other, they are polar opposites in the same relative position just like Sonic & Blaze.
Tails is the Kid Brother, Amy is the Girlfriend, both are Sonic's immediate best friend support follower who sees the best in him and follows him around because of it. The whole point of Tails is being a little brother figure that idolizes his older brother figure.
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>>563736364
>both are Sonic's immediate
No Tails first Amy second. Unbreakable bond yadda yadda yadda
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>>563736536
Yes they are.
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>>563736450
The little brother and girlfriend are not in competition with each other.
Overall, I always list them as Tails first, Amy second, the bro should come before the girl, and the girl should come before the rival, but they both fill the "Sonic's best friend" role in different ways.
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>>563736364
So how does that make cream girl tails? She doesn't really idolize anyone except maybe sonic and even then it's more of a "I wanna do cool stuff too" kinda way. She's like that with everyone. For this to work tails needs to be everyone's little brother, not just sonic, but he's not because he's very reliable on a narrative level often. Even sonic treats him less like a little brother and more like a partner. Cream, conversely, is literally everyone's little sister because that's her personality archetype.
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>>563736604
No only Tails fills that role. You're contradicting established information
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>>563733078
Rouge is girl Tails, she moonlights as girl Knuckles whenever Omega isn't around
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>>563736706
>So how does that make cream girl tails?
Cream is the little sister figure, and was created to be the "Tails" equivalent for Amy.
A specific Amy-Cream bonding origin story was never really implemented, and thus Cream's bond with Amy isn't as developed as Tails' bond with Sonic. But that doesn't really matter.
Tails exists to be Kid-Sonic, and Cream exists to be Kid-Amy which means Girl-Tails. How that gets developed beyond that initial premise is what makes each character unique.
>>563736706
>For this to work tails needs to be everyone's little brother,
You say this like he isn't. "Little brother" IS in-fact Tails' own character role on a foundational level, his mechanical expertise exists in-addition to that.
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>>563736957
>A specific Amy-Cream bonding origin story was never really implemented,
That would be heros. That's literally how they meet. That's their bonding story right there. Also tails isn't kid sonic, that implies tails wants to be like sonic, he doesn't in any meaningful way, he wants to parallel sonic in his own way, he's robin, not batman beyond. To be realized is to be fundamentally different but complimentary to sonic the same way Nightwing is to batman.
And he isn't everyone's little brother, that's a unique aspect he has soley with sonic. Tails doesn't endear himself to anyone else in the same way, he's either overlooked, ignored of admired for his mechanical expertise (or mocked by a mechanical rival ala wave)
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>>563733402
Amy has never been shown to be as fast as Sonic outside of games where that's true for every playable character.
Shadow, Blaze, Metal Sonic and Jet are the only characters shown to match and rival Sonic at top speed and not just barely keep up with his regular pace
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>>563737308
>That would be heros.
I mean, Amy and Cream met at the newspaper stand or whatever searching for Sonic & Chocola, but that's not really a "Amy-Cream bonding origin" in the way Sonic & Tails have in Sonic 2. But I guess it doesn't matter, Sonic Heroes itself in-game can portray Amy & Cream's on-screen dynamic better than Sonic 2 itself could due to having voice acting and cutscenes.
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>Also tails isn't kid sonic, that implies tails wants to be like sonic,
Tails IS Kid Sonic, and he specifically DOES want to be like Sonic, that is literally his origin story. He starts following Sonic so he can be like him, his theme song emphasizes that's what he wants. Tails is Kid Sonic, the "Robin" of the series, Nightwing being the future potential Tails can grow into beyond that.
Tails is the Kid Flash to Sonic's Flash, the Simon to Sonic's Kamina.
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>>563737547
Yeah that's why I said maybe. It's mostly because people insist she's as fast as Sonic because she runs after him but that's mostly a gag I feel
>Jet
Only on extreme gear lol
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Blaze is slower than Sonic in Rush.
Blaze is in the same boat as Tails & Amy, she is able to keep up with Sonic's speed, but is not a copy of him.
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Jet's whole thing is being able to rival Sonic's speed through his aerial advantage, just like Tails.
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>>563737652
That's another point against cream being narratively Amy's tails, she doesn't wanna be like Amy either. Shes professed a desire to go on adventures like sonic and be fast like he is but you don't get that with Amy
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>>563737812
No? We only see Jet on vehicle racing contexts. Where does he keep up physically?
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>>563737841
>That's another point against cream being narratively Amy's tails
Not really, because Cream being Amy's Tails doesn't have to be so hyper literal in matching every single trait.
Amy & Cream have their own dynamic where Cream is like Amy's "mediator", where Cream is more cool-headed and Amy is more hot-headed. This is an inversion of Sonic & Tails where Sonic is cool-headed and Tails is more emotional/sensitive by contrast.
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The entire concept of Jet in Sonic Riders' story is that he is the "legendary wind master" and is absolutely the fastest "in the air".
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>>563736957
>"Little brother" IS in-fact Tails' own character
Only in the movie. Sonic has never mentored Tails about anything ever
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>>563738051
>Amy & Cream have their own dynamic where Cream is like Amy's "mediator
No that's not their own dynamic. Everyone usually tells Amy to chill the fuck out because she's so extra about sonic it's not like it's unique to cream. She's just around to do it more often. That's a very weak comparison
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>>563738051
That's in reference to the extreme gear. The extreme gear uses wind in game, that's for all characters
>>563738085
Not true. Engage with the material
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>>563738085
I like Man x Boy stories. We need more of this in our movies/shows/video games
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>>563738196
... They were? Everyone on team rose was doing it for personal reasons they joined up on happenstance. They're nice and amicable to each other and they're all kind enough to put in effort into each other's problems but it was very much a self interested partnership.
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>>563738487
Every conversation about Tails is important because he's a pillar of this series
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>>563738487
Bait. Here is your gay porn
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>>563738729
Not true, they begged for him to be playable in SA2, and in the 2010s alongside other characters
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>>563738305
But the point is that the wind is a literal ability for Jet, just as it is for Sonic, and its tied into his avian nature in some way.
Jet is a legitimate rival for Sonic and has his own natural advantage, he's not solely reliant on the board as an external thing. His mastery of the board is part of his own innate abilities, and it's centered around "riding the wind" in a literal way. Because he's a bird. Hence the story of Sonic Riders having Jet literally specify having wings as what separates him from Sonic, but Sonic later going "even without wings, I can still fly!"
I feel like everyone misses all of this, by thinking Jet is just some guy on a board, and completely powerless otherwise, which isn't accurate.
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>>563738172
>No that's not their own dynamic.
Yes it is, there was some Japanese thing that lists everyone in Heroes' dynamic with each other, and Cream is specified as Amy's "mediator". >>563738085
Sonic Channel has Tails literally described as Sonic's little brother figure.
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>>563738913
Ok but that's only used in the context of Extreme Gear racing which again already uses wind mechanics in game. It's a very niche ability not used anywhere else
>>563738906
Not true, him being playable brought Shadow and Rouge in too. Btw great goal post change there dude
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>>563737812
Sonic is THE Fastest thing alive, Shadow, Blaze and Jet are just the closest fighting for 2nd place
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Of course, cream is nothing but a parasite
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>>563739036
Team Rose absolutely is "buddy buddy" with each other because that's what their personalities are.
Amy and Cream are sweet and nice pure hearted girls who befriend everyone and are super kind and compassionate and friendly by nature, they just express it through different lenses. And Big is a very peaceful and friendly guy who gets along well with everyone 'cause he's chill.
What drew them together is their individual pursuits, and so they teamed up and became just as motivated to help each other as well because that's who they are. For Amy, it's just her SA1 story again where she dedicates everything to helping someone else reunite with their loved ones. And Cream cared about Amy's pursuit of Sonic, and supported her in that endeavor, and vise-versa.
Team Dark is the team where the focus is "no, we are NOT friends, we are only working together for our own selfish interests", so any sense of genuine friendship is meant to be very subtle and only hinted at. But for some reason, everyone seems to believe Team Dark are even closer friends than the other teams to the point of being a family...???
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>Shadow, Blaze and Jet are just the closest fighting for 2nd place
No. Shadow is equal to Sonic's speed in every regard.
Blaze & Jet would be fighting TAILS for second place, as the one whose not -equal- to Sonic's speed outright like Shadow is, but is fully capable of keeping up or even outpacing him otherwise through their own abilities. Jet racing Sonic in Riders is no different than Tails racing Sonic in SA1, and Blaze was never a direct copy of Sonic's speed in the first place.
Blaze to Sonic should feel like... Shinra from Fire Force going up against The Flash. What makes Blaze fast is propelling herself with bursts of flame, while Sonic is just inherently accelerated as a being.
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I should stop getting into these bullshit arguments
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>>563739972
Not counting raw power (which rarely comes into play when you've got spins) Tails is pretty much the whole package.
>speed
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Even IDW know amy and cream have fuckall to do with each other. They get two meaningful-ish interactions and one is shared with rouge the fat baps and the other is a single panel during the fucking apocalypse. Cream got way more with other people its actually kinda nuts, even in their threeway with rouge her interactions with rouge were more fun than anything they said to each other, during the metal virus it was cream admiting her sense of hope comes from sonic (not amy), the one-shot cream had was about her and gemerl i dont think amy's name came up ONCE the entire issue, then Cream has a baller heart to heart with whisper that lasts like 4 pages, she gets rescued during the virus arc firstly by sonic and that whole bit was a Cream glaze by showing she's like sonic more than anyone else, and then after all thats over the next time you see her she's hanging out with Blaze.
Oh yeah i guess she does that winter event thing with Amy where they barely talk at all. You know why this happens? Because Amy isn't allowed to talk about Sonic like she used to, which was were ALL of amy and creams interactions come from, Amy saying or doing some wild shit for sonic and Cream reacting to her shenannigans. Thats all they have going for them, remove that and they have literally nothing but being nice to each other left.
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>>563739543
>No. Shadow is equal to Sonic's speed in every regard.
So is Blaze and Jet none of them have ever canonically been beaten by Sonic. Shadow, Blaze and Jet always win in their versions of the story Sonic only wins in his, neither are ever canon to the true ending
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>>563740681
And weaponry
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>>563740807
>So is Blaze
False.
Jet, it's arguable because of his position and the fact he holds claim to "the fastest" as the thing he fights Sonic over, but he's not a copy of Sonic either.
But Blaze has never been equal to Sonic's speed to Shadow degrees. She is slower than Sonic, in Sonic Rush. Blaze is not a copy of Sonic in abilities, she has a completely different powerset and her overall power level is what equals Sonic, not her "speed".
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>>563740943
Bad writing. Regardless he went back to fighting enemies in Frontiers
>if
There's no if. It's all true. He has all those traits
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>>563741138
Amy is "Girl Sonic" because that is literally her entire character.
She is the "Girl character", and specifically the "Girl version" of SONIC. Amy's likes and interests and style is defined by being the girl character, and what makes her unique is sharing Sonic's likes and interests and style filtered through that lens.
Beyond that, it's just Rouge who is another Girl Sonic, through being the polar opposite of Knuckles.
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>>563741379
If Sonic and Tails doesn't have any depth to their dynamic. He just starts following Sonic one day because he inspires him or whatever. That's it. All of the relationships rely on imagination to seem actually substantive.
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The literal Tails literally fights enemies in Frontiers literally
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>>563738375
What is it with the Sonic series and dudes named Chuck?
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I think you assholes are trolling at this point
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>>563740943
Because of the smart trait.
>"WTF I thought that was a positive?!"
It is, in most circumstances. But a young gifted child needs proper guidance or they lose their way. To Tails, that is Sonic; in Forces, after half a year of not knowing if Sonic was alive, he crumbles. His mental health is strength as well as his weakness, like many gifted children.
Prime also shows us what happens to Tails if he never met Sonic - he becomes unhinged.In a way he resembles the Tails of Tails Adventures, but we're not ready for that conversation.
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>>563743740
...Did Team Sonic even win against Team Rose in Sonic Heroes?
>postbattle dialogue implies Rose HAD them on the ropes but Sonic snuck off somehow
What IS this guy's ACTUAL Win/Loss record?
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By our powers combined we are CLUTCH & JEWEL!>*crickets and tumbleweed*
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