I chose Lapis Lakeside for this event because my ultimate goal is still to get a shiny Ralts, but I hate that Mawile does not show up there and there's also a good chance I don't see any Ralts anyway because the event pokemon take priority.

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With the introduction of "Honey Gather" Chocolate Waffles, honey is the new meta for desserts weeks, as it's needed for four of the top six recipes, and the top three overall.
There's a narrow focus on relevant ingredients for top desserts, with pumpkins and tomatoes being an oddity as they're not useful in other desserts.
Oil, cacao, corn, milk, eggs, and apples however are greatly flexible and give you options to make some of the decent weaker recipes in a pinch.

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Also did an Oil just to see. Comparatively, it's not that bad if you wanted to use it for that.

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Didn't realize until now that the ingredient bonus only applies to skills. Bit of a niche bonus, but we're getting 1.5x meals I guess.

>>58915042
I went to Lapis too, mainly since Cutiefly spawns there, plus I could use both Bulbasaur and Stufful. Mainly AAA Honey Bulbasaur and AAC Corn/Egg Stufful.

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>>58915222
That's great. I've got a shiny venasaur with double honey who just floods me with that golden goodness.

He's also where I first realized that shiny venasaur's have golden eyes as well as flowers. He's just honey everything.

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>>58915834
Funnily enough, so do I! I powered him up to 50 just this week because I really need the honey now.

I still need a mono-honey gatherer, I've got a BFS Honey/Honey/Apples Pinsir that's good on bug weeks, and this Honey/Honey/Potatoes Venusaur.
Hoping that Ribombee will be my mono-honey gatherer.

The upside is that I can run both to stockpile honey if necessary, I've swapped in my Bewear this morning to get some extra corn to make waffles for lunch.

>>58915042
i cant even get snoozing...

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Well, I'm glad I still have a mint stockpiled. That's my honey situation sorted

>>58915222
Sure, but most of these you can only make by running Cooking Power Up or using a camp ticket.

>>58917086
Yeah, a "pushing the top line" situation, but relevant for event weeks where you want to use a camp ticket.
Like, this week actually. If you're premium and getting one GCT a month, it's not a bad idea.

In the future it may become more viable to cook the strong dishes on a regular basis, Zing Zap Spiced Cola is just barely out of reach of the current maximum.
Granted that one doesn't use honey.

Why is there no hot chocolate recipe using cacao and milk

Blunder of the century

>>58917298
Desserts need some more creative recipes.
>Oops! All the same ingredients!

9984-4368-0719
Looking to fill out my list, add me if you’re feeling friendly! I sleep every day :^)

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>get Water as main berry type for Expert
>give my Slowking another chance
>motherfucker triggers on himself 5 times in a row

Even with all the buffs Energizing Cheer is still so shit. I guess the good thing from this experience is that it made me give up on raising a Togedemaru because I ain't putting up with this bullshit.

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>>58918274
But at least Togedemaru is a pretty good berry sub. Also I guess they figured out how Togedemaru works. It's not necessarily a % chance to grant an extra skill, but apparently grants always grants skill-only helps that increase per level. So technically slower Pokemon with higher skill rates benefit more from being hit. And conversely also requires you to put skill seeds into Togedemaru in order to get extra activations out of it, as opposed to something like Shuckle with a flat rate bonus trigger.

>>58917298
A spicy hot chocolate recipe could be cool
>fiery herb, soothing cocoa, ginger
we have coffee beans and yet NO latte recipes, boggles the mind
>pumpkin spice latte with ginger, pumpkin, milk and coffee

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>>58918686
A greater number of recipes for better flexibility is needed, but it also means increasing the number of free diamonds players can get, and making the experience too easy if there are too many viable strategies that reduce the need for new ingredient farmers.

Avocados in particular are actually kinda disappointing.
They're only used in four recipes, two are middle of the road, two are top-tier Sunday only dishes.
Compare that to corn, which has far better options.

There's also some ingredients that have zero use on certain weeks (and probably never will), like sausages on desserts weeks.
Others like pumpkins on salad weeks, or herbs on desserts weeks, just need some creative thinking.
Like you say, spicy hot chocolate, that'd probably be a 35% recipe similar to the avocado smoothie.
It would need milk though, so either it's a 3 ingredient recipe with 35% bonus, or 4 ingredient recipe with 48% bonus if it needs ginger too.
Maybe you can go nuts and use the avocado as a milk substitute. The game has a tiramisu made with corn, and a fucking chocolate ham salad after all.

>>58918737
Salads in general is too specific to be its own category, I feel. Maybe instead of curries and salads, it should be main course and appetizer and dessert.

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>>58918788
That would make things too inflexible, if you're not allowed to make popcorn for breakfast, or are forced to make a salad for lunch, etc.

Then there are food items that just don't fit into categories like desserts, drinks, salads, curries, or stews.
Salads would greatly benefit from the inclusion of sandwiches, from sliced squares to loaves, baguettes and paninis, it would greatly expand the range of recipe options for salads.
It would also allow you to introduce wheat as an ingredient, which has uses outside of bread, such as flour for desserts.

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do i waste a mint on this and use it for oil farming? i only have a good ditto for that. leaning no though

>>58918686
>we have coffee beans and yet NO latte recipes
Lmao

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7942-4499-4009
Heres mine if were posting them

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>>58919014
Depending on how good your Ditto is, almost certainly no.
As a dedicated oil farmer it's scantly better than Ditto at 30, slightly better at 60 with bonus honey.

It's weird that the dedicated oil farmers are still pretty bad at their role.

>>58919632
yeah thats not worth a mint...
i've got a really good shinx but it's AAB. still keeping it because i don't have a good tomato farmer

>>58918795
>little cup of tomato soup to go with your sandwiches
Oh fuck my dick got hard.

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Eh... Not yet.

>>58920638
There's no benefit right now, 78 is the sweet spot.
It's just enough to make the new chocolate waffles with GCT or Sunday boosts.

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Got some decent hauls this morning. Unsure what I should evolve that vee to though.

>>58921196
eevee is very common, and not hard to get something better. i don't think that eevee is worth evolving

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Actually not too bad? I got two decent ones today and am tempted to go with this one

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>>58921696
Here's the other one. I knownit has more ing up, but the other one has a better spread, and more skill triggers to compensate to get ingredients anyway.

>>58921696
>>58921697
Unfortunately I'd keep looking.
ABA is the worst ingredient spread in most situations, because when you hit level 60 you generally get the least desirable proportions and quantities of ingredients.

You also shouldn't be considering Ribombee's main skill, since its skill trigger rate is too low to justify skill slots towards it. Skill Level Up is admittedly nice as a bonus, but Ingredient Finding, AAA/AAB/AAC or maybe A/B/C/ABB are what you need most, along with helping speed and maybe BFS if you want to round out a fairy type team.

>>58921789
Yeah, it's just they're the best ones so far. It's even my second shiny one.

Please raise the fucking ingredient bag cap for the love of everything Carl Sagan.

forgot to feed snorlax lunch.
my only hope is if i get another "pot up" proc and make clodsire eclaire

>>58922030
Oh nice

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>>58922124
We're overdue a level cap increase, the last one was back in April 2025.
The increase from 60 to 65 may not unlock anything, but it exponentially increases berry strength and significantly bolsters recipe strength.
Saying that because we might be stuck with 65 -> 70 for like another year.

The Dream Shard Magnet S increase was a silent buff to Lucario, at level 8 it greatly reduces the cap between variable (Swalot) and non-variable (Lucario), because the latter got a much bigger increase to compensate.

>>58922124
They JUST raised it, so you're not going to see another one for a while. Holding 50x of each ingredient doesn't seem to be the intention. A lot of times I end up dumping sausages, milk, or potatoes down to 1 if I can't use it that week.

>>58922309
>April 2025
Damn, didn't realize it has been that long. On one hand, I like the excess sleep XP converting to extra shards as I have yet to max my pot. On the other, it would be nice if they added 65 -> 75 at once to get extra subs on everything. I wonder how long the game will be supported because it seems like updates are slowing down and we are still a long way off from 100.
>>58922312
I'm trying to keep ingredients for scones, pancakes and the new waffles recipe (can't make until Sunday even with a ticket) and still very pressed for space.

bump

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Free shit! It'll help you make the new recipe on Sunday. Or you could save it for approximately 3 months as emergency rations.

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Finally, a perfect milk farmer.
Maximum milk achieved.

>>58923699
Pretty sweet, I'll try saving them for when I really need them.

>>58923952
Milk that turtle

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>>58924121
Milky bois

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Hm, usable, but I'm more after the AAA Honey.

>>58923952
MEGA MILK

Bump

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I seem to be overdue for a shiny...

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god forbid i get a good shiny

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>>58925892
The chances of a good Pokemon and it being shiny lining up are extremely rare. Through 3 years, I do have 2 I would actually consider good, and 2 others that are usable for shinies, but still less than ideal.

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I swear last time I did this comparison, the skill activation rates were actually a lot closer... guess not.

>>58925597
>I seem to be overdue for a shiny...
Me every night

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>>58926288
Of the 67 shinies I've gotten, these are the only 8 that are actually usable or have at least seen some use.
The early shiny Golem and Butterfree never see any use now, the shiny Blastoise is sometimes used as part of a Suicune team for berry strength.

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>>58925597
I TOLD YOU!
Unsurprisingly neither are usable. Also shiny form-sleep style Dittos do not appear as shiny Pokemon FYI.

>>58927800
Yeah that's exactly what happened when I had my double shiny encounter, the shiny Ditto was revealed after the round of photos.

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>>58927800
In case anyone's curious.

Surprisingly managed to cook a decent meal every time while still running at least 2 BFS and my E4E mon.

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Breakfast and Dinner crit today, and I hit a new PB at Cyan Beach.
6.785m, over my previous 6.6m.

Desserts weeks are always my best, and the honey waffle recipe is already level 51.

Back to Amber Canyon next week, until whatever the next event is.

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Well, my 2nd time reaching m20 on lapis, but I blew my old record out of the water. Mostly worked on leveling up the new dish and pancakes, also put on swalot near the end of the event once I had ingredients mostly sorted. Finally found a honey farmer, although it will cost me my last mint. All in all, great event. Hopefully I'll be prepared to master 20 amber canyon during the next cooking event, whether that be packed portions or the salad event.

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7830-3857-1731
Just removed three friends whom hadn't been online for at least a week. I'm not super anal about consistently sending research, but would like you to send some at least once a week if you're interested in adding me.

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No crits the entire week.

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This week went really well in terms on strength gain.
>spent the week before farming exclusively ingredients for the new recipe
>used a GCT
>went to GGEX
>rerolled once and ended up with Ghost/Fighting/Ground
>pushed my mono honey Pinsir to 60, as well as a ABC Gengar
>managed to make the new recipe 20 times, which boosted it to lv59
>got quite a few crits thanks to my BFS/STM Swampert activating its skill a few times every day
>beat my previous PB in GGEX, reaching M12 this time

Despite all that, I didn't really find anything relevant, unfortunately. Caught a couple of Treecko and I think 4 or so Cutiefly but they were all ass.

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Huh...
And for the record, ABA isn't bad, it's just and uneven ingredient set. It just depends what your ingredient needs are. Still can't decide if I'd want to invest or keep trying for a BFS variant.

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Please only add me if you plan on playing this game until the heat death of the universe. Real niggas only, thanks.

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that'll do i guess

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>>58930064
although this would've been nicer if it was AAB

>>58929823
>ABA isn't bad, it's just and uneven ingredient set.
Good to know. I wasnt sure if there was a reason to specifically avoid that

>>58930085
The main downside of ABA is if you want to maximise collecting the "A" ingredient, you need to get it to level 60. An EXP hindering nature compounds that.
ABA favors quantities of A over B, whilst AAB balances A and B over time, but both favour the A ingredient for probability of receiving it in the near future.

Of the six ingredient spreads, ABA is generally considered the worst, but you have to look at it on a case-by-case basis.
Since Honey and Oil are both relevant to Desserts weeks, and have uses for Curries and Salads weeks, that ingredient maxing Ribombee will still be good.
ABC has its use cases, but you need to deal with the A quantities typically being much lower than the B and C quantities, especially when it graduates to 60.
There are extreme cases like Gourgeist too.

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I've gone too long without investing in a tomato farmer, because I was looking for something super ideal, but I have to set something up now because curry and salad weeks are getting frustrating.

Looking at my options, I had good options for Mr. Mime, Victreebel, Abomasnow, and Luxray.
Some have BFS, and all have advantages of fitting into Psychic, Grass, Electric, or Ice teams.

There's something fucky with Raenonx's Production Comparison tool though.
For some reason Helping Bonus on the mono-tomato Luxray is saying it increases the level 30 helping frequency from 75.55x to 97.81x. That's a 29% increase, not 5%.
Helping Speed S is correct, it increases to 81.23x (+7%)

At a glance it seems like the mono-tomato Luxray is way better than the other options, but it turns out that Raenonx defaults to assuming you're stacking 3 or 4 HB Pokémon when evaluating the comparison of a single Pokémon with HB.
Why the FUCK would you design a tool to do that?

After more than a year since the last one, I finally got another shiny Eevee!
>It's m*le
Dangit.

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>>58930193
Turns out it's a bug with the tool.
There's a setting for Helping Bonus Stacks that defaults to null, and fucks up calculations involving HB helpers.
Setting it to 0 or anything up to 4 fixes it and works as intended.

Watch out for this if you use Raenonx' production comparison tool, if you're using it to figure out which Pokémon you want to invest in.

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>>58930193
>>58930211
Here's the fixed comparison, going up to level 75.

Long term the mono-tomato Luxray is the best pick if I can get it to 75. The Mr. Mime is technically better if I give it subskill seeds, but lacks the HB benefits.
The Victreebel is good for grass weeks with BFS, and the Abomasnow is just for expanding an ice team.

I already have strong BFS options for Electric, Grass, and Ice however, so they're all just nice-to-have rather than the essential tomato farmer that I need.
Heavily learning into the mono-tomato HB Luxray, though the Oil Luxray is tempting.

>>58930125
In most cases it's ABC is the worst spread for ingredient specialists, not ABA. The main difference is that ABA will lean towards higher quantities of ingredient A, versus a more even distribution if you have AAB/AAC. ABC on the other hand, ends up inconsistent at towards gathering any specific ingredient. Since ingredient gathers only occur as part of a Pokemon's helps and they're evenly split between unlocked slots, having 2 slots of any ingredient at least gives you a 66% chance to actually get that ingredient versus waiting on a 33%. There are enough Pokemon in the game that you probably want more specialized ingredient farmers to satisfy recipes rather than very broad ones that may not be the best at gathering what you actually need.
The only time I actually want ABC is usually for coverage by non-ingredient types.

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Ironically my Sunday spawns weren't very good, but not a bad week for once, all things considered. A couple shinies and something seriously worth considering investing in.

>>58930236
For any ingredient type, I'd say Ingredient Finder M is the bare minimum. Hopefully you'd find something with at least an extra speed or ingredient bonus, because otherwise you might be a little sad after leaving it in for 4 hours to end up with barely a handful of ingredients. And level 75 realistically isn't worth considering. Level 60 is already a pretty tough trek and I imagine it wouldn't be far off to assume Lv1-60 ~= Lv 60-75 in terms of time/resources.
In short, I don't think spending up to 2x Sub Skill Seeds on Mr.Mime would really be worth it, plus it has EXP down and is somewhat rare. So you're basically just left with the Victreebel, but given the option, I'd keep looking.

>>58931760
I did ultimately go for the AAA Luxray to get an immediate tomato farming option, it's only level 30 for now but helping bonus is at least, something.
I'm absolutely going to keep looking, but I'm definitely open to the Victreebel too since I've plenty of candy for it, where I've run my BFS ABC Victreebel so frequently.
If I'm desperately low on tomatoes, I'd have the option to run both, actually.
Agreed that Mr. Mime isn't really worth subskill seeds.

>>58930064
I'm always wary of help speed down natures, even if they did nerf it and the fact that (most) Ingredient and Skill types still benefit from their same-type boost even with the speed reduction.

Subskill seeds should be more common than main skill ones.

>>58932679
Nah, we definitely don't need more Sub Skill Seeds than Main ones, but the ratio could be better. Sub Skill Seeds are pretty niche and you really can't even use them on most Pokemon even if you wanted to. I think as f2p, I've gotten over a dozen or so Main seeds and maybe only 4 or 5 Sub seeds.

>>58932912
Most Pokémon only ever need one or two subskill seeds, but the theoretical maximum investment for a single Pokémon would be 6 seeds.
That'd be something with Helping Speed S, Ingredient Finder S, Skill Trigger S, and Inventory Up S.
The last one is the only one that can be upgraded to L right now, but I'd be very interested to see if skills like Ingredient Finder L get introduced one day, or even Berry Finding M? Sleep EXP Bonus+?
Maybe even a new subskill, like Ingredient Finding S, which gives +1 to each ingredient slot?
They'd be drastic balance changes, but it could also be that they're a new tier of subskills locked behind a special item, and cannot roll on Pokémon naturally, or maybe require getting a silver collection badge or higher.

>>58933137
Forgot the 5th subskill, Skill Level Up S.

So this mobile app is just a dataminer?

>>58933174
no

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You know what, I can work with this. Not being full Avocado really hampers its potential, but I'm not going to turn down HB + BFS.

>>58933174
Bros, I can't believe they're literally harvesting our snores and farts...

>>58933483
I'd be thrilled with that regardless, avocados + herbs is a blessing in disguise since that's half of making the bulldoze guacamole and chips.

>>58933174
oh no they will find out i am faking my 8.5 hours of sleep every night

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>>58934113
I WAS looking for a BFS Trapnich, but the main points never really lined up. I guess 1 ingredient bonus should be enough. The only other candidates I had so far were these.

I was wondering why there wasn't any news, but it's about a week until Pokemon Day. We'll see what they have in store for us... I have to assume at least a new legendary event, maybe a level increase even though I currently only have 3 Pokemon at 65.

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welp i guess i'm keeping this one for when the level cap increases to 75...
also cutiefly did a number on my biscuits fugg

>>58935438
>exp down
>75
>otherwise shit subskills
like i get it's shiny but it's fucking ass

foof

Why do I keep going back to this.
This "game" is dogshit. It does nothing. You do nothing in it. It is utterly pointless. The app itself is incredibly fucking annoying to use. It's slow and inefficient. It's just pure shit. Why do I use it? Why am I such a fucking cuck?

If they were to add a new island besides an Expert version of all the current ones, what would it possibly be?

I don't think they particularly need to, but they could basically add remix islands that are just different set combinations of favored types. Or potentially some "final" island that has even better odds for legendary Pokemon. I think we'd need basically every Pokemon added to the game for the spawn pools to be meaningfully distinct though.

>>58915222
It's odd that they don't introduce less massive, Epic Meal Time recipes so that newer players will have a reason to use the Pokemon who gather new ingredients

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>>58918686
Fiery herb instead of ginger for the latte. It's not based on any specific plant and can stand in for any sort of spice, maybe cinnamon. Ginger is already in 5 dessert recipes

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>>58918795
Sandwiches could also have corn as the bread medium, there's one cornbread recipe for desserts already. Though wheat logically should be in every curry recipe (as roux), so it may have been done away with already as artistic license like with the salad greens.

Chocolate could be incorporated into curry pretty easily as a mole sauce, possibly with the underutilized corn for tortillas. For salad, maybe something involving chocolate-covered coffee bean candies as a garnish? Which is a stretch, but both ingredients need the use there.

>>58936921
>Epic Meal Time
Bacon strips with chocolate, candied, etc. on dessert week for meat dishes

>>58936128
I use it because I actually suffered from insomnia and this actually helped out considerably. I was averaging about 2-3 hours of sleep at night, blacking out randomly during the day, and was actually about to go to a sleep specialist for polysomnography sessions. When I found out how much those were going to cost me (more than $200 a night), I decided I might as well give this app a try first and see if it helped at all.

Tracking my habits and tracking what kind of sleep I was getting as a result, along with semi-locking up my phone at night and encouraging a consistent bedtime has really improved my quality of sleep and helped encourage other healthier habits.

I no longer eat quite so late and stopped showering just before bed but two hours before, and really just started forcing myself to follow the sleep schedule the app has set up for me. Being a shiny hunter in other pokemon games helped add a good amount of motivation, and being F2P has largely kept me on a slow route where I've been playing for months and my pokemon still have plenty of room for improvement.

After several months, I'm now averaging about six hours, which has been a huge improvement. I still have times plenty of times where I'm just lying awake in bed for hours, but I've definitely improved the things I can control thanks to this app.

Because, if I don't do my best, all my pokemon don't start the day with 100% energy and that makes me feel like I'm letting them down.

https://youtu.be/Dj6p0Ruw6hc?si=5hCW0XpEadKCqN_u

I've been enjoying not worrying about cooking anything at all on Amber and just letting the berries do their work. I tend to not be able to cook anything there on a regular basis without swapping members out, so I just leave my team and don't cook.

>>58936707
>what would it possibly be?
Epstein, i guess

>>58937616
I've had more of a cooking focus at Amber this week, since it turns out I can consistently cook Inferno Corn Keema Curries now.
I've got strong mono herb Dragonite, mono sausage Aggron, and mon corn Bewear that can reliably get most of what's needed, whilst my BFS Adamant Salamence occasionally gets some ginger.

Normally I run my BFS Butterfree at Amber Canyon, but I've been running three ingredient specialists, plus Salamence and Shuckle this week, and am on pace to hit Master 1 today at 25% area bonus.
The gulf in strength between my BFS Butterfree and BFS Salamance is crazy.

The other thing is that the combination of Salamence and my HB mono tomato Luxray, both with Cooking Power Up-S level 3, made cooking some things possible more often.

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>>58938732
I basically suffered on every other island prior, but Amber is pretty smooth sailing for me. Somehow I managed dragon types as some of the only good Pokemon I had for a long time, a BFS Butterfree from near the start of the game, and a BFS + HB Arbok.

Feels weird finally having Pokemon worth investing in... just have to wait around for the next Candy Boost event.

>>58939920
Candy boost events feel way more frequent than they used to.
Pokémon day is just a week away so we'll get news soon enough.

I'm actually not far off from affording the last cooking pot upgrade for 1.2m dream shards, but doing so would stop me from powering up a bunch of stuff during candy boost.
I just got a perfect milk farmer Squirtle, that I'll set up during "use candy" missions since I have other stuff I can for milk already.

New changes coming in the update right before Pokemon Day!

Changes to certain Pokémon’s main skills

Pinsir
>Before change: Charge Strength S
>After change: Charge Strength M

Heracross.
>Before change: Ingredient Magnet S
>After change: Bulk Up (Cooking Assist S)
>Gets you ingredients chosen at random. Also raises your Extra Tasty rate by a small amount.


Increased some main skills’ effectiveness
>• Charge Strength S
>• Charge Strength M
>• Bad Dreams (Charge Strength M)
>Note: This only applies to main skill effects at Lv. 7.


Adjustments related to main skills
>This is a sleeping game app, and we don’t want players to gain an advantage by reducing their sleep time to spend more time actively playing the app. As a result, we implemented a system where the main skill trigger chance changes based on the number of times a main skill triggers within one day.
>However, because of changes to the game environment, including helper Pokémon max level unlocks and events like Super Skill Week, the number of times a main skill could trigger within one day increased. As a result, there were cases where main skills became difficult to trigger not only at night, but also during the day.
>Upon considering the increase in cases where play during the day was impacted, we have decided to make balance adjustments to this feature. We will make improvements to these cases where main skills became difficult to trigger.

>>58940526
So Pinsir doesn't really change. It's an upgrade, but it's already good and its skill might only activate once a day at most. And looks like lv7 Charge Strength skill are getting buffed too, probably to make up some difference against berry lv 65+ outputs.
Heracross is a nice change though. Currently I think it's slightly above Vaporeon in activations, but so much harder to get a decent one. Also should help to give it a more unique niche. Wonder if Absol is next in line for a buff.

As for "adjustments related to skills", it sounds like there were soft caps that degraded your activation rate if it triggered too often. Could explain particularly bad E4E days.

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>>58941395
Pinsir's upgrade is like how Houndoom has Charge Strength M. Not really relevant, but nice.
In the same way that the Johto starters have the stronger variable version of Charge Strength S, which does have meaningful contributions at high levels but still not the best use case for main skill seeds.

It's a huge buff for Heracross though since it's an unconditional dual-purpose main skill on a skill specialist. It's balanced by bug berries being the weakest in the game, and there's a clear focus on making bug types more viable for Amber Canyon.

My older Heracross here just went from "would be nice" to "high priority", depending on how substantial those Extra Tasty chances are, if they're the full 5-10% like standard Tasty Chance S is.

As for the skill trigger adjustments, here's the tl;dr of what I've gathered

>Japanese players decide to try maximising recorded skill triggers during Super Skill Week 2
>Player research indicates an unexpected sharp drop in expected skill triggers; estimated to be 50% skill chance when you've had 20 triggers in one day
>Devs come clean and say they were trying to encourage players to start sleeping instead of staying up farming skill triggers

This probably had the opposite intended effect, because Tasty Chance S encourages players to cook at the latest possible opportunity, instead of the earliest.
Such as when I run my Dedenne on Sundays, I cook dinner just before bedtime.

The implementation, is true, is fucked because it meant whenever your non-skill specialists use an irrelevant skill like level 3 Charge Strength S, it would reduce the daily skill trigger potential of your E4E healers, your Helper Boosters, your Tasty Chance S boosters, your Charge Strength S Golduck with its very high skill trigger rate got hit especially hard. Overnight skill triggers were fucked and hurt E4E healers.
The lack of transparency of one of the most-monetised aspects of the game (skill specialists and skill seed investment) is alarming.

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Here are some current values for Pinsir, Heracross, and Vaporeon as reference. Don't expect them to really change much. In all likelihood, Heracross may get a slight nerf in ingredients produced by its skill, but the cooking crit bonus should more than make up for it.

>>58942261
So this explains why my fucking E4E has been ass lately. Today woke up with not even a skill trigger when it used to be godly 2 triggers per morning 75% of the time..

Man, this week has been ass. Started off accidentally missing breakfast meal on Monday AND tuesday, its fucking salads and I don't have enough oil/a shitty producer, AND my e4e is being useless.

I think I'm going to dedicate the next few weeks to finding an oil mon I can actually rely on. I think luxray is the go.

>>58943454
Yeah, double skill triggers on any of my skill specialists has felt particularly rare.
And yet, my Feraligatr was proccing like 3 or 4 times plus during that Super Skill Week.

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Oh yeah, and here are current Charge Strength values... for posterity, I guess. Dream Shard Magnet is currently the only thing that goes up to level 8.

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Is this worth investing in, even just as an interim healer til i get a god roll? Raneon says it gets around 5 skill triggers a day, which i hear is the bare minimum you’re looking for…

>17 ralts away from the silver badge
>0 ralts in the last two weeks

Fuck snoozing. I know how to get guaranteed slumbering, I know how to get guaranteed dozing, but snoozing is finicky as fuck.

>>58944813
Helping bonus is the second best skill in the game behind BFS, and for a skill pokemon it might arguably be tied or better.

>>58944813
It's pretty good with a Sub Skill Seed to upgrade to Helping Speed M. It's a Skill Trigger S or skill nature short from an immediate go-ahead, but I think the speed and Helping Bonus are enough for a safe investment.

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>>58944022
Actually since the update notes mention Bad Dreams specifically, then it doesn't seem like Stockpile is getting a buff. Anyways, here's a version showing the % change. From this, we can see that Charge Strength M is minorly fucked up, and Bad Dreams is majorly fucked up.

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My 2nd shiny Eevee, not sure what to do

>>58945628
hmm, hb+bfs is good, but only that + a not good nature is not really what you're after
so you could pick a fast eevee to make the most of bfs, like jolteon or espeon
you could keep it to look at
or you could use it to shore up a bad team in expert mode, like say you get an ice poison rock week and you've got nothing particularly great, then give yourself a 50 glaceon

>>58945628
A berry farmer in a pinch to round out an expert GG team, at best really. I wouldn't give it any skill seed investment.

So if ti usually takes a 2-week advance notice before an event, that means we have about 3 weeks of rest weeks.

>>58946730
Pokémon Day is Friday 27th, that's possibly enough notice for a February 2nd event, or February 9th.

>>58946959
They might do a small scale "event" like some sort of spawn bonus, but we usually get more notice for anything that actually lasts the full week.

Where are you thinking for next week bros? OGPP for me, looking for coffee and oil.

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Decided to visualize my priorities.

>>58948932
Seems like I should be headed there too. I have been looking for a Larvitar while boosting Amber and Expert area bonus, but I'm still missing most types on Old Gold.

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>>58948018
They did already announce 1.5x DP for sleeping on Thursday 26th, with the intent of you waking up on Friday 27th.

Next week is gonna be Amber Canyon as usual, but it'll help me find a few new sleep styles I may be missing. I've gotten stuff like new Toxtricity sleep styles this week.

>>58949159
Might be a nice idea to use a spreadsheet, then you can filter visibility by things you've got or need.
I would filter by role; Dragon berry farmer, Honey farmer, E4E healer, Tasty Chance S user, etc.

>Dedenne - Neutral
Don't sleep on Dedenne.
Actually, pay attention to Heracross, too. When the 3.3.0 update goes live on Tuesday, we'll find out just how good its main skill becomes as it's a combination of Ingredient Finder S and Tasty Chance S.

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I know this Dedenne isn't exactly a skill maxer, but only two procs in like 20+ hours is fucking ridiculous.
My Shuckle is suddenly on strike too, skill triggers feel wrong atm.

>>58949270
I consider all single-stages in a lower priority by default, just because I'm not going to go out of my way for a capture unless there's nothing else or if it's hungry. They're still all nice to have if you can get decent rolls, but it usually takes several encounters to even get anywhere.

And I could build a spreadsheet, but that seems like a bit too much for my personal use. I know enough of the data and am not really tracking my progression that closely.

last week, same team same place, i got to master 1 but now im at ultra 5
i suppose rng plays a big role

>50 gem for daily gift
You love to see it, though I'd rather get whistles.
>>58929331
bump, 1 spot left

>>58950635
Are you sure you aren't discounting the cooking boost from last week? Being able to cook decent meals consistently will also make a difference, but despite a few thousand here and there, it generally doesn't make too much of a difference unless you're just going full cooking/crits.

>>58949270
>Heracross getting buffed

Neat, I somehow already had a pretty good one.

>>58951557
When the update goes live in roughly 30-32 hours, we'll see how the updated Heracross compares to the likes of Vaporeon and Dedenne individually.

>>58950839
I always forget to screenshot the 50x or 100x pulls from the daily gift. Whistles only get you like... 30-40k points per piece though. I hardly use them.

No Sunday crits again, but I barely edged into M8 on Amber with 35% bonus and otherwise minimal cooking. Not really concerned with pushing, just more concerned about getting to 8 spawns within the first 2 days, which I can almost do, but still need to cook decently strong meals during those days.

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Yippeeee (f2p btw)

>>58949859
Skillmaxxing dedennecel
>>58952681
Yippe

>>58952434
My crits last week were fucked.
I had like 3 or 4 10% crits during the week, but my 50% and 60% odds all failed on Sunday for no extra tasty dishes.
I saved up enough ingredients to cook two "Overgrow" Avocado Gratins too.

>>58951702
Yeah, but even then, it'll have use on AC hopefully.

>>58951908
You get a lot more points if it makes the difference between getting a certain dish made on time or not. Maybe that's a noob problem, but they've helped me in that situation many times.

>>58953784
Heracross arguably already had use before AC, it was just harder to find and invest in than Vaporeon.

This update may propel it useful everywhere, provided they unfuck the skill trigger rates.

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If I had more Sub Skill Seeds, I'd probably have made the swap already, but it's a pretty big investment. I guess I could still run it without M skills for now...

>>58951702
Since the base skill is a new one called "Cooking Assist", we can assume Heracross's new skill isn't a "crit" skill that mostly functions as Ingredient Magnet with a chance to trigger Tasty Chance. I imagine it'll have similar ingredient output as Present and maybe half the regular Tasty Chance value.
Makes me think that they're probably going to adjust Sableye's ability next to help it stand out.

When does maintenance end? Is maintenance ever going to end? Omg its never gonna end is it.

I forgot about maintenance.
I also never encountered this, but I updated the app and now I can't track until maintenance is over. I knew there was always a warning in the news, but that hadn't happened to me until just now. So now I have to wait another hour until maintenance finishes so I can actually track, but at least I'll get to cook my dinner in exchange for losing out on tracked sleep time.

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Not too shabby for a psyduck

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I should have been a little more optimistic. Full ingredient power with half of Tasty Chance!

>>58955337
I hadn't noticed the "Cooking Assist" part.
It could be something like Heracross's version is a guaranteed effect, whilst other Cooking Assist users only get a chance for the Tasty Chance bonus.
Alternatively, other Cooking Assist users have Ingredient Magnet + Cooking Power-Up instead.

>>58955702
I'm a Go Plus user in Europe, which means I'm never prevented from tracking sleep, and I also never get interrupted by maintenance since they usually run from 4am to 9am.

>>58955803
That's in-line with my expectations, but it's still pretty strong and going to be great for Sundays where you're burning through ingredients quickly, or Amber Canyon all week long.
It's going to be a great companion to my Dedenne on Sundays, anything to maximise tasty chances.

There was a huge ass download for updates this morning, they'll probably be datamined quickly (if not already).
Assuming there's gonna be upcoming candy boosts, I'm gonna use them on Heracross ( >>58942261) to get it rolling at Amber Canyon.
I have 350+ candies so I could boost it to 48-50 and enjoy near-maximum skill triggers and near-maximum inventory after a subskill seed.

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So Heracross's RP gets a huge boost because of the new main skill.

Shuckle procced 5 times so far today and it's not dinner time yet.
Skill triggers feeling good again, but this is just anecdotal bias for now.

Luxray also triggered like 3 or 4 times and only gathered like 9 tomatoes since this morning. 20% ingredient finding rate isn't great but I knew what I signed up for.

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>>58945280
Updated values. Basically a +10% change across the board. I still don't really understand why the growth curve slows down for some skills though. Going up, yes perfectly logical. Going down, doesn't make sense, especially since the investment costs are identical.

>>58956214
wowza. I mean, it is strictly better than an Ingredient Magnet Pokemon and Tasty Chance already has a rather high RP value.

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>>58956933
The news update made it sound like only level 7 Charge Strength and its variants were getting buffed, but apparently not. It does however have a stronger buff than the earlier levels (except for Bad Dreams).
Part of that was me remembering that when Dream Shard Magnet was increased to level 8, that the variable/ranged version had a reduced gain compared to the static version, reducing the gap between them.
Still bugs me that they gave Swalot the superior version of the main skill, and that Lucario got the inferior version. I'm hoping that Lucario's main skill gets special treatment like other Pokémon have.

Cooking Assist S however I've noticed isn't Ingredient Magnet S.
It gathers the same total number of ingredients, but it can gather any number of the ingredients you've unlocked.
That's HUGE and means you can incrementally and evenly gather a wide variety of ingredients, instead of hoping for a specific pick of three possible ingredients per trigger.
It does mean that you should only expect the level 7 skill to gather around 1 to 3 or 4 ingredients of any given type, out of the current pool of 19 ingredients, but it should balance out your stocks and make a variety of dishes easier to cook across the week.

>>58957406
Dream Shard Magnet Pokemon get a noticeable handicap to their stats just because they can pick up shards. In a sense, Lucario is still "stronger" because it has better gathering power, but the practical reason you're running Dream Shard Magnet is for the shards.

Are you sure you're not confusing Ingredient Magnet with Ingredient Draw? Magnet always picks up its set total divided into 3 random different ingredients. Draw is the one that picks up loads of a single set ingredient.

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>>58957694
No no, by three possible ingredients, I do mean a total number of three different kinds of ingredients from the pool of (up to) 19.
Cooking Assist sounds like it will gather around a dozen kinds of ingredients each time it triggers.

Whilst of course Lucario, Swalot, Persian, and Sableye are there to farm Dream Shards, it feels wrong that Lucario somewhat underperforms that role when compared to Swalot.
It does perform marginally better as a berry farmer, if you're looking at BFS, but not enough that its shard farming potential should suffer as a matter of game balancing.

I haven't personally invested in any shard farmers, and I'm not really convinced in the investment since doing so reduces your strength gains potential day-on-day, and maximising your Drowsy Power is how you maximise sleep research rewards; that often total much higher than the 18k estimate of a skill level 8 peak performance Lucario.

This is the one I've got

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>>58957910
God dammit

>>58957915
100% would invest more skill seeds, if you can get them.

>>58958029
I do, actually.

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>decided to finally use my Darkrai seed
As soon as I saw gold, I knew it would be some kind of jank.

>>58957843
>it feels wrong that Lucario somewhat underperforms that role when compared to Swalot
My boy making me proud!

>>58957843
But Bulk Up and Ingredient Magnet both describe their ingredient pickups the same way. I haven't seen anyone showing a skill proc off of Heracross just yet either, but I doubt it runs through a check for every individual ingredient rather than copying Ingredient Magnet's segmented rolls.

>Snoozing on powerplant
>only mareeps, fuecoco, and diglett

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>>58940526
>This is a sleeping game app, and we don’t want players to gain an advantage by reducing their sleep time to spend more time actively playing the app. As a result, we implemented a system where the main skill trigger chance changes based on the number of times a main skill triggers within one day.

>We want players to stop sleeping less for more triggers, and that is why we implemented a nerf without telling the players so that they continue to do the same faggotry they were already doing
Let's be real here, this was totally a stealth-nerf intended to slow down progression. The only reason they came up with that excuse and partially toned down the nerf now is because they got caught by JP players who figured out that this soft skill cap existed.
It wouldn't surprise me if they implemented this cap right after Skill Seeds got added to the non-premium shop.

Bump

>>58960611
I mean, it sounds more like fringe cases. Even good Pokemon activate an average of maybe a half dozen times per day, and most people probably only have enough to run a couple at a time. I doubt your upper limits are being hit that hard by missing a trigger or two per day. Most of your progression is tied to Pokemon levels and area bonus in the first place and since your spawns are random anyways, 100k+ points isn't going to have that big of an effect on what you see either.

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>tfw no Raichu

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Not worth it right?

two of the best pokemon for amber canyon are single stage skill pokemon
this is so fucking ass

>>58963155
useable at 75, but not worth getting to 75

Made a tally of how many Pokemon are favored in each area and which specialties there are. Final evolutions only (except Onix), no holiday Pokemon, and Darkrai is counted as a +1 in each category.

>Amber Canyon - 14
B: 4, I: 5, S: 5

>Old Gold Power Plant - 20
B: 3, I: 6, S: 11

>Lapis Lakeside - 18
B: 5, I: 5, S: 7

>Snowdrop Tundra - 21
B: 6+1, I: 9+1, S: 5+1

>Taupe Hollow - 13
B: 5, I: 4, S: 4

>Cyan Beach - 19
B: 3, I: 7, S: 9

I was surprised how many berry farmers there are on Snowdrop. Old Gold and Cyan are just packed with skill types while also having the minimum berry farmers.

>>58963419
Pinsir and Heracross are both good now, but hardly necessary.

>>58963784
pinsir is an ingredient pokemon
i was talking about shuckle & heracross
yeah they're not required, but it's a huge boost if you get one. just really really ass to get