>>58959186
Watch Power of us. Its still best Pokemon movie with actual narative.

I’ve never heard anyone say the Hoopa movie was good <—- didn’t and won’t watch it

>>58959186
Third movie comes to mind.

nobody says the movies are good, even the XYZfags that glaze the hell out of the Gen 6 anime will say the Gen 6 movies were so bad it practically killed off pokemon movies as a whole

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Loss of Shudo and Masuda taking over the franchise killed Pokemon's maturity. The games have been trying to bring it back but all its resulted in is the Millennial writer issue of Ohmori venting about his parents in the games. Don't come back, it's not mature, it's a franchise exclusively for arrested development manchildren that were told they didn't have to grow up

Note when you're working on a franchise, never abuse your artists

>>58959186
>it's fucking insane people will argue "it didn't get worse you just grew up" about Pokemon
All those people are either dishonest shitheads lying to you, or turn off their brains when it comes to pokemon exclusively. I refuse to believe that a site as weeaboo as this can have this many people who haven't seen other children's anime. Pokemon is uniquely sanitized and babyish. Even Disney movies will try not to sugarcoat things half the time and would have things pokefags would call "edgy".

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But have you actually watched any of the early episodes lately? I love the mischievousness and pre-franchise sincerity of the early show as much as the next guy, but if you knew Pokemon you knew that Mewtwo Strikes Back has always been a lucky franchise anomaly.

>>58959186
Seconding the suggestion to watch Power of Us

Only movie worth a fuck was Heroes but it figures edgetard afterbirths would dickride KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

>>58959186
Watch the first three movies subbed
And search on bulbapedia the radio drama "the birth of Mewtwo
>>58959356
BW is the closest we got to get a good narrative in the games, inb4 someone posts the munna kick, Ghetsis and N are great characters and the idea of the story is good, they made it more childish with shitty grunts and "and i... I mean... Team Plasma" because Pokémon became corporate garbage after gen 1, but at least there's some substance

>>58959914
Ok, hipster.

>>58959929
Whatever edgetard. Got your FRLG copy preordered for friday to go back to KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO yet?

>>58959918
Gen 9 mogs Gen 5 insanely hard in story people just don’t want to admit it because
>Gen 9 is post dex cut
>Gen 5 is faux mature

>>58959950
Every time Pokémon tried to have a good story, something went wrong
>Shudo got stopped by TPC
>EoS retcons sacrifices
>BW has retarded grunts
>USUM ruined Lusamine
>SV has great climax after 30 hours of nothing

>>58959975
>SV has great climax
If you're lobotomized.

>>58959975
>30 hours nothing
Nemona and Arven both get solid character arcs as does Team Star, the headmaster’s antics are also entertaining. Not sure where this idea that nothing is happening unless we’re fighting evil comes from

Oh yeah if you're just comparing the movies they drop off hard after the third one.

>>58959186
The pokemon movies have been bad since gen 3. The only decent one after the first three is Power of Us (Zeraora’s movie). Also
>watching because DiaPer, the ugliest and shittiest legendaries of all time, were on screen
You’re still the target demographic, clearly. Just throw some jangling keys in your face and you yield like the dog you are.

>>58959950
To me, the reason I feel this way is because I like BW's cast, but don't really care about SV's.

>>58959186
Anon Pokémon has always been shit, you're not supposed to care about the story just the monsters, and yes, I'm talking in general from the games to the anime.

Ffs imagine expecting good storytelling from Pokémon

>>58959312
Always heard people shit on the Hoopa movie but I never saw anyone shit on either the Diancie or Volcanion movies

>>58960455
>Ffs imagine expecting good storytelling from Pokémon
Why not? Pokémon tried many times, see
>>58959975, these stories have flaws, but it's more because TPC puts limits than a lack of talent.
I mean, Doraemon movies are for kids as well, but these are well written

>>58960474
>I mean, Doraemon movies are for kids as well, but these are well written
no no no /vp/ told me ALL kid's franchises are MEANT to be safe slop

>>58959364
Pokemon used to have an edge to it including guns, references to war, sexy outfits for the females, etc. But it was literally western audiences and western markets insisting that it be baby-ified

>>58959914
Is it any better in japanese? I watched it dubbed and thought it was pretty shit, think the localized version cut out the fossils.
>>58959975
EoS?

>>58960595
Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky

>>58960595
Every Pokemon movie is better subbed imo, also they added a darker filter on the dubbed version for no reason

pokemon is dora the explorer or Teletubbies tier

>>58959918
>BW is the closest we got to get a good narrative in the games
Read a book you faggot

>>58960685
Name 3 books

>>58960685
all books exist outside the category of pokemon games so the point stands regardless

>>58960709
It doesn't stand because BW doesn't have anything close to a good story. You would know this if you ever read a book. You're esl anyways so maybe just don't talk.

>>58960800
>BW doesn't have anything close to a good story
Why? Because the only problem i see with it are the retarded grunts that undermine the premise, that's a strong flaw, but N and Ghetsis are well written

>>58960595
Yeah, by virtue of not being hamfisted by NoA to try and not make the poképhilia love story at the heart of it so obvious.

>>58960819
>Why?
It's predictable, the writing is simple, the characters are all basic cliches, it doesn't require any knowledge of anything outside of pokemon, it over explains itself, and it's boring.

>>58960824
Yeah but thats on point for the pokemon brand. We've basically been playing the same rehashed story 10 times since gen 1. I play pokemon to relax and unwind not do a literary analysis of a plot on par with war and peace.

>>58960824
The idea of using your country’s mythology to manipulate the masses, by using a twenty year old adult whose growth you’ve denied by making him live among toy trains, only for him to fall into a deep crisis because he can't understand the nuances of reality... Honestly, that sounds like good writing to me

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>>58959186
>>go watch the first pokemon movie
I hope you watched the Japanese version instead of the dub like a loser. Also, the first 3 movies were written by Takeshi Shudo who wanted the anime to be targeted at all ages instead of just kids which explains your disconnect.

>>58960832
>thats on point for the pokemon brand
Yeah, so it must take a real retard to say
BW is the closest we've ever gotten to a good story when they're all equally bad.

>>58960856
kek

>>58960497
>But it was literally western audiences and western markets insisting that it be baby-ified
No, it was Nintendo who wanted the franchise to be more kid friendly. Stop hanging out on X & being a culture war tourist who insists that the West is responsible for everything wrong with your precious Japanese franchises & that Japanese creators have no agency.

>>58960595
>Is it any better in japanese?
What do you think dubfag?

>>58960464
The Hoopa movie was unique in how it mashed a bunch of Legendary Pokemon together without a strong story for them.
Other movies with Legendary clashes felt almost apocalyptic. Like the Lugia movie, where the Legendary Birds sparked a climate disaster that travels throughout Kanto and makes headlines. Or Dialga vs Palkia, where spacetime is warped and the town where they're fighting starts to blip out of reality.

>>58960464
Both the Hoopa and Diancie movies suffer a lot from the director wanting to write a comfy movie about a Pokemon bonding with humans and then TPC forcing him to add some big legendary fight that doesn't really fit. Both the Diancie movie and the Hoopa movie are pretty nice until the legendaries show up and start fighting.

>>58959186
If you got to Gen V then you should already have known that touching the ashnime is a no.

>>58959950
>Gen 5 is faux mature
That's not a flaw at all in a franchise for kids nor why Gen 5 is praised.

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>>58960873
Please fuck off and never speak on any subject like you know what you are talking about ever again. I'm not sure if you are a ragebaiting contrarian retard or just straight up retarded. But this is not something that is up for debate or your gay ass hot take. This is a well documented fact that has such a mountain of evidence behind it that you should feel embarrassed for saying something so profoundly stupid.

>>58960455
but the monsters suck the hardest out of everything past gen iv

>>58960861
I've always been slightly disappointed that this movie had no good posters, unless there are non-American variants I'm not aware of.

>>58961454
You can add the Volcanion movie to that, just replace the legendary fight with "so many Megas at once that the art quality tanks at times". A shame.

>>58962164
The volcanion had steampunk thematic, a shame there are not Pokemon games like that

>>58962293
It's always the problem with this franchise good ideas bad/lazy mediocre execution

>>58959186
Based

>>58962301
That's why I don't look forward to anything potentially cool done in this franchise
There's some past fakemon regions based on the UK, and they could have some interesting ideas. But then Galar gave us some shit like a coffin with a top hat. Gen 10 won't be the first JRPG with some Southeast Asia inspiration, but just know that it'll be the least interesting

Pokemon is one of the best examples of over regulation and self censorship
we cant have good 3d animations because of PETA and the like, that's why we had cool animations in stadium games
we can't have x because of y, etc etc
then try to please each country regional Karen,
and this applies to most stuff nowadays on every industry

>>58959236
>>58959901
Margopedofags detected

>>58961480
That manga was made by a hentai artist who just wanted to draw horny artwork.

>>58963448
Also based

>>58959186
Hoopa movie was never good it was a retarded headcanon movie made by some talentless hack that doesn't understand lore, has an extreme bias for hoopa and cant stop dick sucking rayquaza

>>58963938
that's dangerously based
p sure Hellsing author has a doujin out too. AADP.
>>58961480
let's be honest here the biggest crime is how awful that R looks on the censored one.
Also Jessie has always been hot as shit, pure sex

>>58963938
>>58964585
It is very common for japanese manga artists to have drawn hentai works before making it big- or even AFTER they do.

>>58960832
>>58961476
>it's enough that it pretends to be X for me to consider it X because it can't really be X
This is beyond stupid.

>>58964585
>p sure Hellsing author has a doujin out too. AADP.
Hellsing started as a hentai doujin first before he turned it into an professionally published work

>>58965391
No, Hellsing was never a hentai doujin- the author just recycled the character designs from the doujin that made him famous.

I know Pokemon is a children's series, but Pokemon goes overboard with stupidity and retardation, starting with the anime.

>>58959186
Can't believe how happy this thread makes me

>>58965458
You know what I mean autist

>>58967239
1. What is the point of sharing a fact if you do it wrong?
2. Why did you sage?

>>58959186
Don't get me started on the fucking tragedy of a prologue. Baby Mewtwo deserves better

>>58967246
>>58967311
Based, gottim

>>58959186
If the Jap version had a completely different message at the end, how did it handle shit like Pikachu refusing to fight his clone?

I was doing a bit of research on the Pokemon movies. It seems besides the first few ones they really didn't make much money, which is wild to me. I would have expected the Gen IV movies to have done a lot better.
As for reviews, RT is fucking hilarious. 10% for critics, 80% for viewers. Don't get me wrong the critics do have a lot of reasonable criticism but that gap is just not reasonable. I hate movieniggers so much

>>58968991
Almost like the fad was long gone by then

>>58968182
In the Japanese movie Mewtwo and the clones wanted to prove that they deserve to exist and did so by fighting to surpass the originals. Mewtwo was having an existential crisis after fighting for Giovanni. But the Meowths started talking and they realized clones are pretty much the same and don't need to destroy their originals to justify their existence. There was also no magic world ending hurricane just the port storm. In the 4Kids rewrite there was an off screen magic world ending hurricane. 4Kids ignored the whole clone existential crisis and they all realize that all fighting is bad full stop in a fucking children's show about fighting animals that will be fighting again in the very first minute of the next movie.

>>58959186
Too based for a single post

>>58971868
Pikachu was refusing to fight his clone and that clone even got exhausted from hitting him

>>58959186
And nothing will ever come close

>>58959356
Sun and Moon was about an insane abusive mother who cryogenically froze Pokemon and replaced her biological children with them, before willingly allowing an alien parasite to infest her. She ends up in a coma.

I had a very scratched double sided DVD with Pokemon 4ever and the patios latias movie. Couldn't watch the latter because of the damage, but I have very fond memories of 4ever. I should watch it again, it had sovl

>>58959186
>it's fucking insane people will argue "it didn't get worse you just grew up" about Pokemon
It really is. There is an obvious quality drop all the way until the Magearna movie, which was the lowest rated pokemon movie in Japan. So from there they tried some reboots and have since really been lacking. We haven't had a good pokemon movie in a very long time.

Honestly, they really should age up the series instead of pretending zoomers and gen alpha care about pokemon. They prefer Roblox and Minecraft.

>>58973853
Zoomers love pokemon but only because of card openings on Instagram and Cobblemon

>>58973932
>cobblemon
I had to look up what this is, what fucking zoomer knows anything about this shit?

>>58974185
>minecraft and pokemon
A lot, probably. Cobblemon is like the easiest content for a pedotuber to put out.

>>58974185
Dude, it's fucking Minecraft. Just because you're out of touch doesn't mean it isn't popular

>>58959186
>>58973853
>it didn't get worse you just grew up
It's a very common marketing tactic you can see in all sorts of shit like Microsoft or Star Wars

>>58973571
A hot one too, but not with that artstyle

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Everything about gen 1 (actual gen 1 not just Kantoooo) is simply cooler and edgier
Partly because it wasn't made for "global audiences" and partly because the 90s were cooler and edgier overall

>>58975572
now who uses that on this board...

>>58976656
The first movie already had the shittiest version of the opening theme at the start

>>58976656
Did I say shittiest? I meant the most loathsome, most hideous, most nauseating version possible because of what performed it.

To celebrate Pokémon day they're binge airing a bunch of movies in a specific channel.
Hoopa (early, some 5AM or so)
Volcanion
Zoroark
Arceus
Giratina/Sky Warrior
Darkrai
Lucario <- you are here
2000
Mewtwo (I believe the 3D remake)
I feel an urge to masturbate to Dawn

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The movies are all extremely cozy, very few of them are "holy shit amazing". Really mostly Mewtwo Strikes Back and Power of Us, but some others are bretty good too like 2000 (the lugia one), Lucario & the Mystery of Mew and IMO the Volcanion/Magearna one's aight. And I enjoyed the stupid cgi MSB remake even though it was COMPLETELY unnecessary. All the rest are solid 6/10 cozy good background noise, and no one has ever claimed otherwise.

The TV anime itself is a different story, except for half of Journeys (gen 8) randomly being ultra-filler slop it's been shockingly good all the way since the beginning of Gen 6. I mean, shockingly good for a kids' show but still.

God damn, during a commercial break they've shown a white blonde girl with some greenish strands, anyone know from which movie she's from?

Bikini May...

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>>58978436
Lisa? She's from Everyone's Story, same as the garter loli.

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>>58961856
really? Gen 4? are we really gonna say that the gen whose majority bulk is botched Cross gen evos was the last gen with a good dex? I swear the only gen that huffs its own farts as much as Gen 1 when it comes to Genwars is Gen 4. only shit that came out of gen 4 that was good was the Phys/Spec split, and HGSS and even then that still had the curse of the gen 2 level curve
>t. Played since RBY to current

>>58978895
Looks like it, thanks anon
I guess that's the closest we'll get to a gyaru
I will now watch your movie

>>58979060
okay, gen III then
no biggie

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>>58979230
Enjoy. It's one of the best ones.

Lucario was pretty fun
Arceus, Giratina and Darkrai are kinda ass, there isn't much to them besides Palkia and Dialga exchanging their signature moves
2000 rn. cute redhead girl

>>58978436
>>58978895
Is that the one from that plane pic? Based, thanks

>>58978695
WHERE

>>58980763
Lucario movie

>>58981170
Also Manaphy movie

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>>58979060
Gen IV's Gen I evolutions are shit but the Gen II evos literally saved that dex

>Mismagius
>Honchkrow
>Togekiss
>Gliscor
>Weavile
>Mamoswine
>Yanmega

All bangers. Johto would be shit on a lot more without these additions

>>58973571
Wow, you completely fucking ignored my second sentence to try to own me

>>58981170
>>58981367
AWESOME THANKS

This was a nice thread

>>58964451
>bias for Hoopa
Really not seeing it. Even in ORAS, the legendaries were all bitches to Hoopa’s summon power, including ones that should have been “above” it in the lore like the DiaPer trio. Most of the movie’s plot and Hoopa’s backstory is 1:1 lifted from the background notes Gamefreak devs wrote for it, too, as we saw in the Teraleak.

You’re correct on the Fugwank though. The XY anime had it as this unstoppable force of nature in general throughout the Mega Evo specials, in contrast to literally any other Fug portrayal where it was consistently a jobber.

>>58982851
Whaddayamean was

>>58983930
I'm stupid
I thought it was about to get kicked off the catalog

>>58984303
Well just don't sage it lol

>>58981444
uh... yeah... those... uh... cross... gen... uh...
GODDAMN THAT'S HOT

>>58979060
>likes the split
>cries about gen 2 level curve
I have a feeling that you are actually this much of a faggot and not baiting.

>>58983285
>background notes Gamefreak devs wrote for it
this means nothing, if it's not in the games then it's not canon and you're acting as if the anime has ever been consistent, it's a movie meant to sell not to make sense.
And let's not act as if gamefreak is good at managing it's own ip they'd go as far as to make shit up as long as it makes even a tiny bit of sense, Just as raids, power spots, ultrawormholes, hoopa's portals exist only to place legendaries in the game because they're too lazy to give any of them either a reason to be there or make a proper environment for them. BW2 was the last time they made any effort

>>58978895
dat dress, goddamn

>>58959186
The Hoopa movie is literally the worst out of Pokemon movies and that says a lot considering just how dogshit and forgettable the movies became later on
Would recommend the D/P trilogy, the Lucario movie, and I Choose You outside of the original trilogy

>>58979481
My wife. Loved her film, loved the setting. I would love to see the production documents for that film. It’s sad they never used Wit Studio for another movie.

>>58978895
How come this hot gal is lost in a random ass movie
This requires a thread

>>58959356
qrd? was sugimori abused? or shudo? was shudo's death from abuse or what?

>>58987102
Shorts, actually, though the movie does have another character in a short dress.

>>58960873
The US never knew how Ash got 30 Tauros because the episode was banned for having guns in it.

>>58987605
i guess that's fine too, bit more of a challenge

>>58987400
Pretty sure it was Shudo who had it rough, but it was a hemorrhage that he died from

>>58959186
>the first movie is obviously made for children but it isn't childish
Thank you for putting into words how I've been feeling. I've recently been going through them myself and you'll never see something like the 3rd movie about a girl dealing with loneliness again. Later films like Keldeo, or every one from BW onwards, felt really patronizing and sterile about treating the audience like children.

>>58990131
Shudo was similar to Don Bluth in that he felt kids could handle a lot more than they're typically given credit for and didn't believe in talking down to them.

>>58990177
I know he didn't write the 4th movie but even that wasn't patronizing. The Japanese version didn't directly spell out who Sam really is while the dub added extra hideous scenes because they really thought kids were retarded.

>>58990131
You'll realize that the best media aimed at children are those that can be either watched along with your kid or remembered and rewatched fondly by adult.
SpongeBob, OddParents, Avatar. Maybe Yu-Gi-Oh, but I can't tell how much YGO is aimed at children nor how rewatchable it is. A lot of people mention Adventure Time but I can't speak on it. There's Steven Universe too but I think everyone that enjoys that show should be brutally murdered. Yes, even the children. Think of it like the Spartan baby thing.
Honorable mention to Shrek that is funny for kids and adults for different reasons.

>>58990574
>remembered and rewatched fondly by adult.
by adultS*
or maybe I could have phrased it better; "remembered or rewatched fondly as an adult".
>Yu-Gi-Oh, but I can't tell how much YGO is aimed at children nor how rewatchable it is
Also forgot to mention: I don't recall much from original YGO, I have more memories of GX, which is a bit of a mixed bag. I remember it being interesting but a bit too childish at times which bothered kid me.
YGO is on my watchlist. After I go through DBZ...

>>58990131
>>58990177
I missed that last thread, but this is based as fuck

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>>58959918

>movie Mew viciously hates clones and thinks they should all die, especially Mewtwo because it was created using Mew's DNA without consent
>game Mew willingly underwent horrific gene splicing experiments to give birth to Mewtwo, after Mewtwo blew up the Pokémon Mansion Mew just kind of fucked off back into the wild
>movie Mewtwo's leaves the movie with him still needing to go through a whole character arc to accept the validity of his own existence
>game Mewtwo doesn't give the slightest bit of shit about anything that isn't defeating opponents, as that is what it was made for

>>58992084
>movie Mew viciously hates clones and thinks they should all die
Mew was just bantsing.

>>58992084
>>58992093
Yuyama has talked about seeing Mew as an ancient creature that predates the idea of good and evil, a completely amoral creature capable of both great good and great evil, spoken of as both an angel and a devil.

>>58992272
Found it:
>Q: As far as Legendary and Mythical Pokémon go, I think it's safe to say that Mew and Mewtwo hold a very special place in the hearts of those viewers who watched the 1997 era of the anime and the movie "Mewtwo Strikes Back". What were you especially conscious of when you depicted them in the anime?
>Yuyama: We depicted Mew as a trancendent kind of creature that exists beyond the very human values of right and wrong. Think of how the sea and the mountains can be fun playgrounds for people, but can quickly turn on them as well. That's the kind of entity we wanted to depict Mew as, so whenever it appears in the anime, we make sure it never acts in a way that's particularly convenient for humans, nor do we have it gravitate towards humans too much.
>Mewtwo, on the other hand, is a product of detachment from nature. The way it constantly ponders its own existence is very very human, but I think the reason it still chooses to live among Pokémon is because of a need of kinship.

>movie is pretty awful all around and way too childish
You're a retard if you think this isn't the case for every Pokémon movie, show, and game.

>>58992310
there's levels to things

>>58960873
Only a jewish guy would call the race war being waged against European as a "culture war".

>>58992433
not when the marketing department has to cry about older media because the newer shit has no value at all

>>58987400
Depends on whether you consider tiger parents to be abuse

>>58959186
nigger, all pokemon movies sucked ass. hell the entire anime was ass as well, even I as a kid knew how garbage it was. there's no rules, no power scaling, new pokemon always beat the fuck out of older ones just for the wow factor.

>>58959186
Almost like no numon will ever have any value and no one would miss those things if they got deleted

>>58959186
There are quite a few franchises like this one where the older products are better than the newer slop. In every case, marketing gets told to whine about fans of the older versions and promote the newer trash as more fashionable. Notice anything familiar about that technique?

>>58992272
had to look up who yuyama is, thought it was that guy with the fiddle

>>58990606
For Yu-Gi-Oh watch it subbed, it's nice. The final arc of 5Ds is very good

>>58987400
Ohmori was the one abused by his parents, Masuda abused his relationship with Sugimori and it got him "promoted", Shudo abused drugs

This should clear things up

>>58996179
I thought Ohmori's parents just died when he was young

>>58960861
>Also, the first 3 movies were written by Takeshi Shudo who wanted the anime to be targeted at all ages instead of just kids which explains your disconnect.

That pretty much sums up the entire anime post Shudo, to be honest.

>>58996179
>Masuda abused his relationship with Sugimori
wtf eww

>>58996161
I just never looked at YGO because of the Dragon Ball hairstyles

>>58992084
Didn't seem personal for Mew, more like just stating facts

>>58990177
Even kids feel insulted when they know you're talking down to them

>>58960446
Even without knowing anything about them, they actually look good unlike SV's

>>58987383
It's sad how many good designs are wasted on one-offs and never seen again

>>58993965
You must be fun at parties, faggot.