>>58987611
@grok turn clavell into a real world human character

>>58987611
>Pokemon was a true passion project they were pushing foward out of a genuine desire of getting their idea outside
Do you know how retarded you sound?

>>58987671
Have you seen the original documents where Tajiri talks about his ideas and how he wants to give them form?

>>58987671
Phrasing apart, he is right, pokemon is the most soulless slop now

>>58987611
Is that real gray hair or artificial it must have cost a grand for hair bleach knowing rich CEOs and luxury

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It does feel something has changed since they stopped posturing Masuda as the face of the franchise.

>>58987611
Slowbro, but I'm glad you figured it out at last

>>58988196
Do they seriously pay to turn their hair gray lmao

>>58987611
it's been corporate for years, but i'd say the franchise has a way more weird "sterile" feeling more recently, especially with the marketing.

>>58989488
They even use the same gay ass announcer for everything
Bitch was born to be a kindergarden teacher not a corporate marketer lmao

And if only any of that wank you just wrote out meant a fuck, beyond some secondary venting into the void.

>>58989722
so this guy's just some announcer, not one of the devs?

>>58988294
It feels like something's changed since Masuda's angry face stopped appearing on Merricku's screen

>>58987611
I spent $20 on Teddy's Haven instead of FRLG, much fun was had

I will say that the official artwork and majority of new character / pokemon designs do absolutely nothing for me. Its getting to where it only still feels like pokemon in gameplay only

>>58991200
The official artwork is very phoned in now because the games are in full 3d now so it no longer serves as much as of a purpose as a companion piece to the sprites, Sugimori also doesn’t make the art anymore and they stopped hiring Ohmura (the next best thing) for whatever reason.

As for the designs, I think they’re trying a little too hard to be unique which is why you get something like Revavroom (not saying it’s the worst design just very unconventional) instead of a stylized version of a cool animal they haven’t used yet, like a snow leopard.

>>58991249
We just had a snow leopard in gen 9. The ice legendary.

No one cares about quotaslop, either. The lion, flamingo, koala, zebra, and dolphin pokemon were forgotten entirely after years of begging. Pokemon adapting animals works when they are genuinely just trying to make a fantasy mob that they can incorporate the basis of a real animal into. Gliscor and Drapion aren't "quota filler scorpion pokemon." One is a vampire facehugger and the other is a weird oni creature made out of rotating segments. Golisopod isn't just "what if they made a stylized isopod," it's a kickass robot samurai man with General Grievous influence. Luxray isn't a stylized lynx, it's a 2000s era anti-hero version of Kimba with speed lines on its body.

>>58991192
Unbelievably based

>>58991653
It's a wholesome cozy game fyi, not creature capture adjacent. You run a shop in a fantasy world for adventures to buy shit

>>58987611
Utsunomiya is not just a suit but I can see why he gives off that feel

>>58987611
>It became corporate as fuck.
OP, it was ALWAYS corporate as fuck. The only reason Pokemon even got off the ground was not because of its (dogshit, buggy, unfinished) gameplay, it was because of the mass marketing push. The commercials for Gen 1 are far more memorable than the games themselves.

>>58987679
Yeah that would apply to gen 1 maybe, when they had no idea if the project would even be successful. Wouldn’t be the case for future games by and large.

>>58989444
Unironically it gets you more respect from seniors which is a big deal if you wanna get promoted since everyone in upper management positions over there is pushing 80

>>58987611
It became corpo as soon as gen 3 hit

>>58987611
Pokemon stopped being a passion project the instant Red and Green were originally released in Japan and became a surprise smash hit.

>>58991705
Then you're one step closer to enlightenment. Seriously
>lol muh pwecious gayfreak was ultra mega corporate when it was a small group making doujins
wtf

>>58991709
as soon as Crystal started production.

>>58987611
who the fuck is that anyway

>>58987611
It's been a soulless corporate money machine since fucking gen 3 my dude

>>58987611
>Back when Tajiri and Sugimori were in charge
...Pokemon was quite literally the biggest, most inescapable consumerist fad of all time. Are we seriously acting like Pokemania wasn't an orgy of corporate money-printing?
The only time Pokemon ever truly resembled a passion project was gens 3-5. Pokemania was over, Masuda was in the director's chair and at least tried to have a vision for the IP beyond selling plushies, and the spinoffs were at their peak. And even back then, the anime was still the definition of assembly-line slop, so it wasn't all sunshine and roses. The harsh truth is that if you're looking for an actual passion project, you'll have better luck with Digimon.

>>58988390
nips love apple products

>>58991712
If you really want to be a stickler, the moment they came up with the idea of making you buy multiple slightly different versions of the same game was already enough to move it from passion project to cash grab.

>>58992824
*Yellow

>>58987611
>somehow Pokemania happened while RBY was still in development
What a miraculous franchise

>>58993890
It's more about documents that came out after it.

https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Pok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Blue/Early_Development

>>58987611
I hate this fugly nigger like you wouldn't believe

>>58990479
He's the producer for every game from gen 6 onwards and numerous spinoffs. He's also assisted in development for smash and mystery dungeon from what I recall

>>58993979
that's ohmori? i thought he looked different

>>58991696
oh finally thanks

>>58987611
Glad you could make it, Uther

>>58991706
Man, you'd think the salaryman life would turn your hair gray before 30 if you needed it

>>58993342
I thought they liked flip phones or something that still has a keypad

>>58987611
Soul escapes this world every time I hear shit like "The Pokemon Scarlet Game"

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This is the end result of a creator's work becoming too big to manage. When it was just a few guys at GameFreak finally getting Red/Green out the door, it was okay to simply do things on your own because it was fun and the initial success motivated them. Once you start to expand to other avenues, eventually you realize that you now have a franchise and you now need a businessman to manage each part of it, the games, the TCG, the anime, the merchandise, and so on. Eventually, these businessmen started to make the decisions for the creator and now you have to have a Grass/Fire/Water starter every gen, you have to keep the games simple or in some cases, simplify them even more than they already were, and even down to the designs of the monsters that are presented, too much detail, bad. Too scary, bad. Too straightforward, bad. Too similar to a fan's work, scrap it. And whichever monster the businessmen want to push, that's the monster you will see, even if the public rejects it. They also dictate what you can and cannot do, pic related being a legitimate mandate until even Japan told them to cut it out and by then, the actual win had no impact, never mind the actual retirement of the character.

When everything else eclipses the original source of the entire foundation, they can also dictate what that source can and can't do. They want a new set of games, they will get it. They want yearly games, they will get it. They want the initial mascot of the anime to return, he will be back front and center. Businessmen run this IP, and will continue to do so.

tl;dr Pokemon became corporate on the date of April 23rd, 1998. It only became more apparent once the franchise grew bigger and bigger.

>>58997186
didn't watch lol, was he talking in english

>>58987611
Took a while, but I'm glad you figured it out

>>58987611
you're so right op, pokemon has fa... ooohhhh i let out a lil GAS i am such a GASSY boi today *giggle*, i am so big and full of gas mmmhh yes *rub belly*

>>58991701
It's funny that was entirely due to Nintendo us flat out ignoring Japan's retarded ideas

>>58989488
>i'd say the franchise has a way more weird "sterile" feeling more recently
It's because of The Pokemon Company international. They've been forcing the identity out of the brand for years now. It originally started in gen5 but the company was compromised a little while back and it became genuinely awful during the switch era.
>what are you talking about?
Look at the English website for The Pokemon Company international and you'll quickly understand.

>>58987611
that's based cuz it looks like that made the marketing department cry
>>58998851
that the one with the pic that got posted here?

>>58987611
Guys, two years ago I asked if you all trusted this man and you all said yes.

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>>58998851
>Look at the English website for The Pokemon Company international
What the fuck is this shit, do they make games or is this some non-profit activist campaign?
Also why is the DEI image a burned out Pokemon logo/ash tray?

>>58999660
>Set up like a DoW contractor's website
Holy shit lmao

>>58999660
>do they make games
TPC never made games you idiot, why are you surprised seeing a website of billion dollar company that literally only exist to managing shit being so corporate
If you wants some whimsy, go check out actual devs website

>>58987611
I love when in the Pokémon presents they say “please take a look at this next presentation”
Like yeah… I’m watching Pokémon presents, duh. Of course I’ll take a look at the next presentation. Am I right folks? Amirite

>>58999660
Website is meant for an (((investors))).

>>58999660
>Also why is the DEI image a burned out Pokemon logo/ash tray?
Because the logo is shit just like inclusivity

>>58999800
That's for zoomers who are busy doomscrolling while "watching" the presentation. It's to let them know when to look up for a minute.

Someone said it above, but I think this is just the result of Pokemon not being steered by a passionate, ambitious group (or individual). At this point, everyone who worked on Red/Green must have retired, moved on, or been promoted to a hands-off role, no?
For Gen 1 it was Tajiri and Sugimori creating basically doujinsoft with some pals based on some manga they had kicked around, passion in an environment like that is naturally going to bloom. It was Tajiri's strong vision for what the game's world would be and would not be that set the tone, and even for the media blitz that followed, the partner companies employed equally passionate people: think Shudo helming the anime, or even Ishihara and the TCG.
After Masuda took over, the franchise definitely changed, but he was an uncompromising director early on, barely completing RS and DP in time to ship because his teams wanted so many features, and just couldn't help themselves from trying things. He had a real vision for Pokemon as a setting, and not just as a franchise, and even if you disliked his vision, it's inarguable that the games he made pushed the series forward, and you could feel that they were stories written by people who believed in them. The trove of lore from the Terraleak is proof enough of this passion. And I think Masuda's passion rubbed off on other teams, think about Emerald and HGSS also going out of their way to stuff new things in. Ohmori, for all his faults and how bad his games are, also seemed to be affected by this early on. I don't think he's a great director, but I also don't think the major failures of Switch Pokemon are entirely on him.
But other than that, who's left? Masuda was pushed aside to rot with Tajiri, Sugimori essentially does nothing, Ishihara never had the same passion for Pokemon the world and remains, as ever, a salesman. Turner? Forced out.
The truth is, unless something happens that forces a shakeup, Pokemon will be bland, safe, and sterile, until someone steps up.

>>58994630
Ohmori is the director, not the producer

>>58987611
>Back when Tajiri and Sugimori were in charge, Pokemon was a true passion project they were pushing foward out of a genuine desire of getting their idea outside.

And you know what happened with that? It was an absolute mess behind the scenes because no one knew what the fuck they were doing. Gen II literally got thrown out and restarted halfway in and had to have Iwata step in to save them from themselves. Like did you ever stop and think about how not the character designer, not the battle designer and not even the lead programmer but THE FUCKING MUSICIAN ended up in charge of the franchise? Because he was the only one in the group who ever got his shit done on time and had any semblance of foresight.

>>59000573
you talking shit about musicians, square boy?