The new megas in ORAS, the cells and core system in SM/USUM, Serena's updated design (and probably Calem's too) and even bonding pokemon (cue Ash-Greninja) were all likely elements planned to be featured in Z.
Whenever I think of what Pokemon Z could've been had it come out, I'm hit with this sad realization that there's simply never gonna be a definitive edition of gen 6 that you revisit from time to time. Emerald was so good that it's the reason why it's always pleasant to replay gen 3 every few years, same for Platinum that also fixed the awful pacing of D/P.
Kalos will forever be known as the gen that neither had its issues fixed nor was expanded in a meaningful way, but hey, at least they made a shitty moneygrab that pretends to be the game everyone wanted.

Bump

>>58992991
>>58992993
Third version games were fucking stupid and I'm glad they're dead. It was proto-DLC but twice as expensive. Killing this retarded tradition was worth sacrificing Gen 6.

>>58992991
>feeling pretty barren and being infamous for not having an actual postgame
Why do you need to lie about XY just to feel upset that you weren’t scammed into buying the same game twice?

>>58993444
>>58993464
good morning yawnfag
have you taken your three bullets today

>>58993469
Defend third versions now or you are just blowing hot air.

>>58993476
3rd versions are still playable, even when the eShop goes down. Meanwhile DLC requires the base game, which is known to have problems that 3rd versions tend to fix. Once the Switch eShops go down, the DLCs can't be purchased, meaning SwSh, SV, and ZA will forever be unfinished if you don't pay up some more dough beforehand.

>>58993485
>Yes daddy Game Freak here's an extra 100 gazillion dollars for the exact same game you sold me last year but with an extra legendary subplot. This is better than just selling me the subplot directly because in 20 years I won't be able to figure out how to install a Switch emulator.

>>58993444
Yeah too bad that the DLC in Sw/Sh and so on sucks major dick. Third versions would fix everything wrong with the game on top of expanding it, gen 8's DLC didn't stop it from staying shitty. In 10 years the new gens will be forgotten, meanwhile over 20 years later we still have people revisiting the definitive editions of old gens.
Third versions also separated smart people from the retarded cattle. You knew it was coming, so you could either just buy the game one year later and get an experience many times better or just buy the same game twice like you say. Unfortunately you niggas had to whine about it so much and now everyone has to pay for the additional content.

>>58993515
>Third versions would fix everything wrong with the game
Like what?

>>58993515
>Yeah too bad that the DLC in Sw/Sh and so on sucks major dick.
Yes.
>Third versions would fix everything wrong with the game on top of expanding it
And you know this how?
>gen 8's DLC didn't stop it from staying shitty.
And Pokémon Chainmail or whatever would fix this how?

>>58993515
> Third versions also separated smart people from the retarded cattle. You knew it was coming,
Is that why you’re seething about no Z version? You “”””knew”””” it was coming only to get fucked while normal people were having fun playing XY? KEK

>>58993528
>>58993529
>And you know this how?
Perhaps by having an overall better experience with the third version compared to the previous two? General QoLs are just a part of it, but a big one in what makes the final game feel better.
Refining the story also works well if you do it from 0, simply adding an extra island as DLC could never do that. Again, third versions would be cemented as classics due to their design philosophy being about being a complete package, gens with DLC are simply a product of their time and already will have nothing going for them once the newest gen drops.
>>58993534
>Buying the same game twice is STUPID anon
>Lol! NORMAL people were just playing the first games in a series where it's known to eventually release a better version a few months later!
Make up your mind, and please don't flex your stupidity by telling me how you're too much of a low IQ ape to have noticed a pattern that had been repeated 5 consecutive times. The reason Atlus stopped making Persona definitive editions was that the smart people were outnumbering the cattle, and thus they were no longer earning from this strategy, which while would hurt the average customer, it would benefit who could wait and whoever decided to get into the game a few years after its release.

>>58993505
How do I hack a Switch 2 again?
Just thought I'd ask since it's likely WW will have DLC.

>th-they could refine the story!!
>Emerald’s story still sucks
>Platinum’s story still sucks
>BW2’s story is worse than BW’s
>USUM’s story is worse than SM’s
>thinking DLC and updates can’t add QoL as if ZA didn’t do exactly that

Just admit you’re mad because you want to get fucked in the ass by Game Freak. It’s alright, anon.

>>58993578
>you're too much of a low IQ ape to have noticed a pattern that had been repeated 5 consecutive times
Really? Can you name all 5 of those times?

>>58993600
>They could and did in the past
>No it doesn't
>No it doesn't
>No it isn't
>No it isn't
>They can't and it didn't, keep enjoying your incorrectly textured windows

Just admit that you are one of those guys fine with paying 80 bucks for a game and 25 for each separate DLC that comes out.
One thing I'll give you is that double definitive editions suck because it removes one of the best things about the third editions, which was being able to catch all boxart legendaries in one game.
>>58993614
What kind of question is this? Correct me if I'm wrong anon, but didn't every gen prior to gen 6 have an overall better and more refined version come out shortly after the first games? Going on ever since the gameboy era?

>>58993594
>How do I hack a Switch 2 again
It will happen

>>58993685
once it happens the almighty pokecocksuckers will be the ones demanding that it be taken down

I swear we can't have good things in this community.

Version that allows you to get the most enjoyment out of a generation? Nope, can't do that! That's just GF cucking you! (Same people that pre-ordered FRLG)
Emulator that allows you to experience said versions? Nope, can't go stealing from poor indie daddy Nintendo!

I fucking hate you all and I'm glad that they keep baking buggy mediocre games that you niggas all eat up. I stopped playing the franchise after USUM, and it's been amusing to see it grow worse and worse while GF gets richer and richer. Keep feeding them and giving in into their predatory business practices, show them that you're all mindless slaves.

>>58993640
>What kind of question is this? Correct me if I'm wrong anon, but didn't every gen prior to gen 6 have an overall better and more refined version come out shortly after the first games? Going on ever since the gameboy era?
You can't actually be this confidently wrong. This has to be a troll.

>>58993798
Wait, are you being serious and not trolling? Anon, this is like debating 2 + 2. Objective facts aren't an opinion. Please illuminate me, what are Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum and BW2? And while you're on to it, did they or did they not come 1/2 years after their respective first game?
I should be the one saying that you can't be this confidently wrong. What is it gonna be? Are you gonna go about how they aren't actually better versions in literally every regard?

>>58993879
>Yellow
Not a definitive version, more of a spinoff, but that's being pedantic.
>BW2
You're joking right?

Platinum doesn't even have Glameow kek. Nice definitive version.

>>58994194
>implying game freak actively wants you to use a pokemon they outright hate

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>>58994145
Yellow has improved sprites, actually has colors, allows you to get all the three starters and has a mix of elements from both Red and Blue while also having other improvements. I can see why you would see it as a spin off, but it still has all the characteristics of a definitive edition.
Why would I be joking about BW2? Yeah, they are sequels on paper, yet improve pretty much everything about Unova, while also having a good postgame unlike BW. You can't deny that gameplay wise they are an improvement, with the story being just as good. At times it feels like people on this board have some weird hate boner for BW2.
>>58994194
Oh no! Platinum doesn't have a pokemon I literally had to google due to how irrelevant it is! Guess now I'm gonna be better off playing Diamond or Pearl where everything is slow as fuck and Cyrus is introduced as some random guy at the end of the game with no foreshadowing whatsoever.

Oh so suddenly Dexit is ok. Good to know.

>See Pokemon Z thread
>"Oh this is gonna be full of cool ideas and possible outcomes the game could've had"
>Look inside
>Retards arguing about how the final versions aren't actually final versions
Not gonna comment any further about how you idiotic you all sound classifying definitive editions both marketed and considered as such as the community as actively worse, but thanks for leaving me disappointed after I thought that we were finally having a decent Z thread.

>>58994331
BW2 are different games from BW set in the same location. They very obviously broke the pattern. You can't hide your idiocy behind a 5 paragraph essay.

>>58994378
>4 lines of text
>"5 paragraph essay"
Ok so you're just a jeet who gets brain damage after reading more than a few lines. My point still stands, better gameplay, postgame, story and mechanics. Were I to buy only one of the two, I'd buy the second.

>>58993444
>twice as expensive
>$60 improved pokémon game vs $60 pokémon game with $20 dollar dlc that may or may not improve it

>>58994720
>the “”””improvements”””” are all minor shit that’s already in every modern pokemon game by default

>>58994331
>At times it feels like people on this board have some weird hate boner for BW2.
It's more just for the fags that think gen 5 is any different from 4 and 6.

>>58994396
>My point still stands
No it doesn't at all. You're not a master pattern recognizer. Just admit you forgot about BW2.

>>58994720
>""""""improved""""""
>literally removed glameow while dlc just adds more mons
lmao

>>58992991
Permanent Zygarde-Complete with aura break

>>58994746
where are the battle facilities in the gen 9 dlc?
where are the lag fixes in the gen 9 dlc?
where are the updated cities in the gen 9 dlc?

>>58993464
XY doesn't have an actual postgame
The Battle Masaion fucking blows dick nigga

>>58995400
Speak english please.

>>58995400
Emerald doesn’t have actual postgame
The Battle Frontier blows dick nigga

>>58995268
>where are the battle facilities in the gen 9 dlc?
At Blueberry Academy
>where are the lag fixes in the gen 9 dlc?
In the Switch 2 update
>where are the updated cities in the gen 9 dlc?
Where are the updated cities in Platinum?

>>58992991
>>58992993
Pros to 3rd Versions:
>Guaranteed fixes to common complaints about the base game and regions aka limited dex, weak type distribution, improvements to graphics, artstyle and game pacing, as well as the path through the region that make the entire journey better
Cons to 3rd Versions:
>Might not make the post game meatier.
>Can also end up cutting mons from the regional dex for some reason (no zangoose or lunatone in emerald for some reason)

Pros to DLC
>Guaranteed to make the post game well worth it, add epilogues to storylines and add mons to the dex.
Cons to DLC
>Does nothing for the 1-8 badge journey, and arguably hurts replayability by backloading "the good stuff" behind a mediocre campaign.

>>58993444
I think it's fine honestly. People don't complain when other companies did the same thing (Like Atlus releasing enhanced versions or P3, 4 and 5)

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>>58995423
Honest to god truth nuke. Battle Factory and Pyramid were good but shit like the Pike made me wanna hurl my gameboy at a wall when I was a kid. Fuck that place.
Lucy bestgirl tho.

>>58993528
Pacing, story issues, distribution of certain types, allowing for all three legendaries to be caught

>>58993594
You know what. I'm actually genuinely wondering how and when we will inevitably hack it

>>58992991
If we had got Pokemon Z instead it literally would’ve been just like Emerald or Platinum, just a couple overall changes and a few new features. Given GF’s track record during the 3DS era, you have to be willingly ignorant to believe it would’ve been more than that.

>>58993444
>It was proto-DLC but twice as expensive.
False equivalence, you never had to buy the base versions for the 3rd versions to work. I never had Ruby or Sapphire as a kid, just Emerald.

It's insane how 2 or 3 dedicated autists like yawnfaggot can utterly ruin a board.

>>58995434
you’re lying, so i won’t continue this debate anymore, yawnie downie

>>58995769
That's fine Sagie run away.

>>58995434
This board has gone to shit, so many newfags defending the newer games and especially gen 9 which is the worst one by fa.r

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I wish we got pokemon Z.
XY left so much on the table, I feel like we could have had a genuinely peak Pokemon game if they gave it a 2nd pass.
>more customization items
>better difficulty curve/harder gyms/more fleshed out story and characters
>Kalos as a region gets some touching up
>perhaps some performance improvements like DP/Pt
>an actual postgame

>>58995557
>it literally would’ve been just like Emerald or Platinum
Why are you trying to imply that being like 2 of the consensus best pokemon games would be bad?

>>58995965
But XY was already hardest game in the series

>>58995965
>I want more difficulty
>no the postgame that has the more difficulty doesn’t count
Just say you want to be fucked in the ass by Game Freak next time.

>>58996106
Eh, not really. The last gym leader being ice type really cucks it hard, the free mega lucario doesn't help things and then Diantha's team is a joke cuz they cared more about the theme than making a cohesive unit, so they get torn apart really easily.

>>58996131
I haven't played XY since 2018, wasn't the postgame just the Looker quests and the battle mansion?

>>58996106
If you're a low iq retard, maybe

>>58993730
This this this

XY were the easiest games GF has ever made and I'm convinced it was a humilation ritual for them.

>>58996273
Post your tournament results from 2014 vgc and lets see.

>>58996277
A thread dies when a compfag joins in, go back to cooming to incineroar

>>58996296
Oh so not so easy anymore

>>58992991
Oh no, GF didn't sell us a thrid slightly-different version of this trash game. What a tragedy for humanity.

>>58996301
Are you slow? I'm talking about the base game. You know, where you fight gym leaders?

>>58996318
Lets see your placements in the speedrun categories then.

>>58996318
oh…you mean the part that’s literally never been challenging even in 3rd versions

it’s much simpler to just say you want to be fucked in the ass by game freak

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>>58996106
what are you fucking stupid?
fucking dumbass?
XY had xp share and all the trainers outside of gyms were shitters with 3 pokemon max. even with xp share turned off you could still raise a good team easily with the restaurant battles.
your only ecxuse for posting that is if you were a dumb kid when you played it or you're ragebaiting.
critical path, no xp share is what I did when I played Y on launch and it was a breeze.
stupid fuck.

>>58995458
People do, in fact, complain about Atlus doing it, and eventually they started to withhold their money until the definitive version came out, something Pokesloppers don't have the self-control or low time preference to do.

>>58995965
>Why are you trying to imply that being like 2 of the consensus best pokemon games would be bad?
Because Emerald and Platinum made small changes to what were already decent games while Z would have made small changes to a terrible game.

>>58996344
How is XY a terrible game and Platinum be one of the best games ever when XY does most things better than Platinum already?

>>58993464
There's literally documentation of Game Freak employees saying they cut the post-game from XY in order to save it for an "upper version", the internal name they use for third versions, in private files meant only for the development team. I don't know how you could possibly read it in any other way.

>>58996391
>they planned content…and then didn’t put in the content!!
So? The game is still fine as is.

>>58996106
It's the easiest of the 3DS titles. The Gen 7 titles are way better for difficulty in every way. Even if you play XY with the EXP share off, SM played like Yawnfag is harder.

>>58996394
I mean if you like braindead campaigns and braindead post-game content designed for campaignfags who just mash A with lots of framedrops and ugly overworld art styles on top of mediocre map design sure. That puts it above DP and the Japanese love that shit so whatever.

>>58996394
yeah, it's fine. it's not great. it's not good. it's just "fine".

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>anons saying xy were the hardest games in the series
>anons falling for the bait
God, this board has gone to shit.

>>58996424
>I mean if you like braindead campaigns
I mean, you like Pokemon games, so I assume you do.

>and braindead post-game content
The postgame content is pretty challenging. You’ll lose if you just mash A.

>with lots of framedrops and ugly overworld art styles
There aren’t a lot of frame drops and the art style is beautiful though.

>on top of mediocre map design sure
What’s mediocre about the map design? It’s pretty good.

>>58996432
>yeah, it's fine.
In the same way Platinum is fine, yeah.

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>>58996374
>when XY does most things better than Platinum already?
me when I speak untruths

>>58996941
Don't fall for the jewbait

>>58996941
It has more Pokemons and because of dexitfags we now know what 1 pokemon = 1 content

>>58996312
Had gen 4 not gotten Platinum you would be saying the same shit instead of regarding it as one of the best gens in the franchise.

>>58996332
Honestly, it makes no sense for them to complain about it, especially if they can deduce how to "counter" it. Persona 6 will probably not get a definitive edition and will just feature a shitty 8 hour extra arc priced 30 dollars. The 3rd semester in P5R worked so well because it was foreshadowed from the very first in-game months.
People assume that if Atlus didn't make definitive editions then Golden and Royal would've just released as the base games, when in reality it's more likely that we would've gotten the vanilla versions with MAYBE some improvements. Companies primarily care about making money, so why should they waste extra budget on "extra content" if they can't earn extra money from it?
At least definitive editions were being sold as a full game, so they had to be presentable, DLC doesn't have that requirement.
Not to mention that all things considered you were getting more of your money's worth at the time.
Same logic for fighting games, Street Fighter 4 costed $60 at launch, SSF4 was $40 and both AE and Ultra were also sold as $15 upgrades. Fully upgrading would've costed $70, and since they added 19 total characters you would be paying an average of $3.68 per character. Now check out SF6 where every character is sold separately at 7 bucks and will likely add much more than 19 characters.

>People still claim DLC is better for the consumer
Lol. Lmao.

>>58996440
This new generation really needs to wake up huh

>>58996941
What does it do worse than Platinum?

>>58998407
>Honestly, it makes no sense for them to complain about it
Sure it does. The problem with Atlus is that it's not enough for the games to finally come out after years in development hell, you then have to wait even longer for them to actually be finished and sold for full price again. It was one thing when the definitive versions were made for different consoles than the original or before DLC was the norm, but it's a scam now and people have gotten sick ot it. The last straw for me was when they didn't release P5R as DLC on PS4 and let you transfer your social stats over to your new playthrough. Their games aren't even that amazing for people to put up with this every single time.