>>58993544
just dress like left in real life if you really have to

>>58993557
But I'm not a faggot who thinks he's a girl

>>58993544
I have a bigger problem with still playing as kids

>>58993544
>AGPs can't coom to childrens games as easily anymore
oh no, the horror

>>58993544
Um...this is pointlessly gendered
Yikes

>>58993544
Customization is still a great addition, but I wish it didn't come at the cost of making the protagonist designs even blander and more characterless, especially when the customization options are as limited as they are.

>>58993619
>I-IT'S CUSTOMIZATION'S FAULT!!
>serena is popular as fuck
>chicken-chan is popular as fuck
>gloria is popular as fuck
why do unova fans keep trying to invent new cope to shit on gen 6?

>>58993629
When the fuck did I mention anything about Unova retard?

>>58993629
>anon posts something, anything
>"B-B-BORT!1!!!1!"
holy schizotard

>>58993589
yes you are

>unova out of nowhere
mindbroken by the best gen

>>58993643
>When the fuck did I mention anything about the last game to not have customization?
>>58993619

>>58993644
>>58993655
I'm sorry you're ESL

>>58993659
I'm sorry you're a subhuman brainlet

>>58993659
>ranjesh from mumbai calling anyone an ESL
lmaooo

>>58993629
yeah trying to blame customization just seems like a weird cope for gen 5 not having customization

>>58993544
>Unique iconic hairstyle
Delusional. Most protags of the first few gens have pretty basic hairstyles and the girls aren't any more distinct than the optional more flamboyant hairstyles you can use in the new games. Hell a good number of them like Leaf, Dawn and May have completely generic anime girl hair styles you wouldn't blink if they appeared on a random mob characters.
>Acessories
Still exist.
>Light gear
Still exist.
>Girly clothing
Still exist, the only game that skimped on that was SV and that was because the entire game was a mess composed out of easily reused assets.

Any complaint about the current protagonist designs is brain dead until you are able to see the scope of the customization.

>>58993689
>>Girly clothing
>Still exist
Nigga both protagonists genders wear literally the exact same outfit

>>58993714
No they don't. The girl has a shirt with a V neck and shorts that ride higher near her stomach than the boy and the pants also have different shapes despite both being shorts, that is a sign that the male and female trainers are sharing less geometry than the SV kids did in their base models, and the girl's shirt also has a cutesy pattern that indicate the game isn't going to go with gender neutral decoration like SV tried to.
Besides these are both default outfits. The ZA protagonists had pretty similar clothes but then the game had a fuckload of feminine customization despite the understated default outfits. We simply don't know enough about the new game yet to assume we know the scope of the feminine clothing options.

>>58993754
>No they don't. The girl has a shirt with a V neck and shorts that ride higher near her stomach than the boy and the pants also have different shapes despite both being shorts, that is a sign that the male and female trainers are sharing less geometry than the SV kids did in their base models, and the girl's shirt also has a cutesy pattern that indicate the game isn't going to go with gender neutral decoration like SV tried to.
Okay dude, it's still a slight variation of the same exact outfit. No comparison to previous protagonists that dressed completely different with obviously gendered clothing.
>Besides these are both default outfits. The ZA protagonists had pretty similar clothes but then the game had a fuckload of feminine customization despite the understated default outfits. We simply don't know enough about the new game yet to assume we know the scope of the feminine clothing options.
None of that matters, those are not canon character designs. We want protagonists with identity like Misty, May, Dawn, Serena, etc not just generic blank slates that everybody can dress up differently.

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>>58993599
PBR figured this out 20 fucking years ago

>>58993544
black and white didn't die for this

>>58993659
>about the last game to not have customization?
You mean ORAS?

>>58993544
Player characters haven't been designed to be characters since XY. They're just avatars to customize.

>>58993777
>Okay dude, it's still a slight variation of the same exact outfit. No comparison to previous protagonists that dressed completely different with obviously gendered clothing.
But that is irrelevant to the point that the games still have feminine clothing. SV is the only game that did not, and then it went back to having it right away with ZA.
>None of that matters, those are not canon character designs.
That is entirely meaningless unless someone is autistically attached to the bad manga. The anime projects don't use the game protagonists anymore, the MASTERS EX mobile game uses alt hairstyles and clothes from the games whenever it wants to. "Canon protag designs" nowadays simply boil down to "picture of the player character you will see on a Wikipedia article" and only that.

>>58993881
They weren’t designed to be “characters” before then either. I’m sorry your favorite games are lazy and didn’t have customization.

>>58993889
Dude how hard is it to understand that we want more iconic pokégirls with unique and memorable designs instead of
>Type B

>>58993922
But you will still get those. The games will once again feature a cast of characters that you can masturbate to and the new anime too and the new spin offs too and so on. Hell you can even customize your fuck toy of choice now.

>>58993544
Girls aren't allowed to wear skirts anymore

>>58993777
>We want protagonists [...] like Misty
Have you played a pokemon game? Like ever?

>>58993960
He's not wrong ngl the ZA protagonists are college aged but they dont look much different from SWSH or SM protags

>>58993968
>ZA protagonists are college aged
source?

>>58993689
This retarded gaslighting is so annoying. The customization excuse is stupid because nothing stops them from making the characters the way they've always made them.

>>58993544
left looks like how chris chan dresses post transition

>>58994014
Why do you know that?

>>58993544
this. im sick of every female MC looking like chicken chan or a grade schooler

>>58993976
Seeing as the cast of characters by the end of the game are running a hotel, they are clearly much older then standard protagonists

>>58994014
Yeah? He dresses like a ten year old anime girl, but that style existed before him

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>>58993599
We were moving in the right direction with gens 5-7. Then as soon as we moved to 3D we suddenly started getting toddler protags.

>>58994363
People were drawing Gloria as an older character like the gens 5 & 6 ones. Then Marnie happened and lolifags took over.

>>58993960
this but unironically

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There was a very clear trend starting in frlg and going out to gen 6 where the protags were ambiguously aged between 15-19 but in SM the protags were like 13-14, and then in USUM, they de-aged them even further to the point that they're both almost explicitly 12

>>58993960
He's correct, but picked the literal worst batch of characters to make his point.

>>58993544
Who the fuck cares
Pokémon is about POKÉMON not "cute girl walking simulator" you fucking faggot

>>58993544
I notice that the left doesnt exist and isnt real

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>>58994468
>>58993960

>>58993976
Heavily implied by the fact Team MZ continue to operate Hotel Z on their own even after AZ's death.
Also, the protagonist finds themselves getting swept up in more grounded, day-to-day affairs than most, especially those relating to the politics and socioeconomics of Lumiose, which implies they're old enough to give a shit about those things whereas for other protagonists it either doesn't exist or is tucked away into a side area ala ORAS' Sea Mauville.

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>>58994494
>leaf
>11
not with that bust she isn't.

>>58994507
Do you ever go outside? See the world and you'll realize you are sorely mistaken.

>>58994494
Im sorry none of the gen 3-6 character arts look younger than 15 to me, outside of dawn, and its mainly her outfit, put her in a different outfit and she'd look older

Since XY, when the games started to have customization, the chara design became far less important. Iconic designs are now negative, since they interfere with the player ideas.

>>58994550
XY still had distinct characters. The games afterward are just [Avatar] and [Avatar](Body Type B)

>>58994550
Nah, Gen 9 started the "we can't have real designs" trend.
Serena, Selene and Gloria were all distinct instead of painfully generic.

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"Pokemon protags used to have distinct designs"
No, they had a distinct facial artstyle that was different at the time and stood out, now that Sugi isn't the lead artist anymore, the new guy draws the protags's faces like every other anime character you've ever seen, making them more generic by contrast.

This nigga is really looking at Leaf and Red and saying they look the same.

>>58994541
I do go outside, and while I rarely see children much anymore, mostly in Walmarts and such, I've never seen a girl I thought was about 11-12 with a chest like Leaf's.

>>58993544
Right looks closer to the classic protagonist than the left.

The only difference is that Wind and Waves are both wearing shorts.
If they were designed in 2006 Waves would be wearing a skirt under her outfit.

>>58994595
Right looks like a generic town NPC.

>>58994471
Well the pokemon fucking suck too lately so all we have left is the pretty girls.

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What's weird is that they don't shy away from "sexual" designs in pokemon.
I get that this is different since its a character and not the protagonist but you're fucking stupid if you think Emma's design isn't more actively sexual than May or Dawn or Hilda.

>>58993544
right is a return to form
left is 5&6 (nugen but people will cope about that)

>>58993629
>Unova out of nowhere

>>58994627
what's sexual about it?

>>58994587
>male covered head to toe
>girl is the only one that gets to show off skin
should've made the boys show more skin

>>58994595
Left looks like Gen 3 to 6
Right looks like Gen 10

>>58994622
Cope, gen 9 has some cool as fuck mons

>>58993629
holy rent free batman

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>>58994595
>>58994609
it's literally the bug maniac npc class

>>58993857
sex kill sex sex

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i can't tell if this the incel thread about pedo machildrens who are mad about non-sexualized childrens OR the queer AGP thread mad he can't self insert into pretty girls

>>58993544
The real THEN was just like NOW.
You are thinking of gen 4 and 5, try 1 and 2

>>58995112
>what's sexual about a trench coat that's been cropped short enough to show her rear, navel and crotch?
The first time you meet her the camera pans around her ass, they know what they were doing.

>>58995232
>reeeee don't criticize muh multi-billion dollar franchise

>>58995272
You're dodging the question anon
Are you the pedo incel side or the pedo AGP side?

>>58995232
how is left more sexual than right?
it’s still a worse design imo, but I don’t see how it’s sexual

>>58993589
Not yet

>>58994468
G/S Ethan and Kris are still my absolute favourite player character designs, though R/S Brendan and May are a close second.

>>58995278
>adhere to my faggoted false dichotomy
No, how about you either slit your wrist or hang yourself. Pick one.

If you are obsessed with female protagonists you are a pedophilic Epstein blud tranny.

>>58993906
they were literally whole ass people with established friend groups and families what the fuck are you talking about, yes they were. My issue with newer MCs is kinda this, they don't really have that anymore and they're all blander for it

>>58994587
You do realize these protagonists, as well as the SV ones, were designed by Sugimori right?

>>58995460
>Zero answers
Perfect I see that I hit the nail on the head since you don't want to admit that you are indeed part of one of these two factions, you would have made a better impression by directly answering the question that you are indeed an incel pedophile or an AGP fag who wants children sexualized lol

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>>58995468
>HOW DARE YOU FIND THESE VISIBLY DEVELOPED GIRLS ATTRACTIVE!

>>58995497
I said pick one.

>>58995507
If you don't want to adhere to other people's rules I don't see why they should do the same to a fake fence sitter like you lol

>>58995513
You clearly want to kill yourself, so just pick one

>>58995519
Again you're either a pedo incel or a pedo AGP
Prove me wrong or fuck off back to >>>/pol/ or >>>/lgbt/

>>58995527
Fuck off the side of a bridge, you suicidal faggot

>>58995544
>Xhe can't prove me wrong
keeeek!

>muh pedophilia
I need one of you normie NPC retards, preferably you >>58995527 to explain to me how finding a visibly pubescent girl like >>58994507 with visible tits and an hourglass figure is somehow pedophilia. Quick reminder that the official definition for Pedophilia is "a sexual interest in prepubescent children."

>>58995547
No, I got the tripple dubs, so I won.
Cope n seethe.

>>58995570
pubescent =/= Adult
You're still a pedo
>Normies
Oh so not being attracted to childrens is normie behavior? i guess that's normal in burgerland for pokemon fans

>>58995580
>No argument
i accept your concession anon have fun with your pointless internet numbers pedo-kun

>>58993544
What I hate the most is how even the customization is now genderless androgynous blobs.
Can't have truly masculine or feminine customization options.
By trying to be more "inclusive" now there's less variety than ever. I'm so sick and tired of this shit.

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Average pokegirl "Fan" btw

>>58995581
>Adult
The male brain did not evolve with your arbitrary numbers in mind, it evolved to desire development and fertility. Unfortunately, retards like you aren't mature enough to have this conversation, but men WILL find features like ass, tits, and hips attractive, no matter the age. It's only when you go to act on that attraction towards girls who aren't mature enough to consent is it a problem. The attraction itself is automatic and involuntary.

>>58995614
>it evolved to desire development and fertility.
i'm not epstein but you can be if you really want

>>58995624
>"nuh-uh"
Address the argument like a mature adult or fuck off back to plebbit

>>58995669
Stop being attracted to childrens epstein

>>58995680
I accept your concession. You're 0 for 2 so far, bud, it's not looking too good for you.

>>58995684
Okay epstein

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>>58993544
I understand main characters are supposed to be blank sheets for customization.

But... come on, Serena and Chicken were also customizable and were fairly iconic

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>>58995485
no they weren't

>>58995702
well chicken-chan was the first of her kind. gets bland when every fem MC has that same black bowl cut hair style though

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>>58993544
>left
some tryhard cosplay whore
>right
cute Japanese gradeschooler

>>58994587
yeah true i can agree with that. the new male MC doesn't have that edge to his look like Sugimori could do.. he looks softer than the fem MC

>>58994363
>gen 7
Chicken-chan is supposed to be an adult now?

>>58995748
I hate Mizutani's stuff except for Z-A..pretty good design there. Tired-eyes and Colored eyes era the best tho

>>58995772
The real killer is the build of the characters.
Sugi's designs were never muscular or broad but they had some heft to their legs, some implied musculature from their active lifestyle. The new protags are stick people.

>>58993544
What I find the most retarded of all is that I can't pick both.
Pokemon has 2 audiences, the kids currently growing up with the current gens, and the adults who grew up with the OG games but are still into it. Why, then, am is there not an older MC counterpart for the older audiences to choose? Let the kids pick the kid MC, and let me pick the aged up 16-18 MC. How are we on Gen10 now and this still isn't a feature?

>>58995787
Idk why I thought B2/W2 were a different gen. I should've said 5 & 6.

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>>58994386
Gloria was also shipped with the lass before Marnie happened.

>>58995836
I miss her. The Lass was adorable.

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>>58995908

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>>58993544
This is a good thing.

I hate super modern anime cringe in modern Pokemon. I prefer more modest looking protagonists.

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>>58993544
>using the female character as the example
I know what you are

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>>58993589
>denial

>>58995680
>doesn't deny coming from plebbit
Why are you even here?

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>>58995934
Don't use a Gen 1 image to support your "modest" agenda. The girls dressed slutty in Gen 1 too.

>>58997262
I never talked against dressing slutty. I talked against cringey modern anime styles with extremely stupid hairstyles and flamboyant clothing.

>>58993599
This game is for children, not for you.

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>>58994494
Squirtlchu? Pikaturtle?

>>58997231
Why do you like childrens?

This whole design philosophy really is stupid because it's pretty easy to make it so thst the statting look is distinct while also being able to customize it later.

>girly clothing
>androgynous clothing
Unless you're some kind of religious fundie, this point is retarded. The rest is true, though.

>>58997638
ZA is the game with the most customization to date and the MCs have distinct designs

>>58997674
NTA, I haven't played ZA. How does the customization fare compared to XY?

>>58997262
Is that really slutty?

>>58997684
Its on a whole other level. Many more options

>>58997674
>ZA is the game with the most customization to date
Can I have a frog button jacket in white with a black shirt under it?
Can I put my character in a skirt?
Can I put on a backpack instead of a shitty satchel?

>>58995232
You seriously think those are two different things? LOLLL LMAOOOO

>>58997271
a named character can't just wear a normal tie or jacket any more, it has to make no fucking sense and be a wacky shape. also they can't just be called john or frank it has to be a totally zany name like luxarion or some shit.

>>58998486
Oh fuck every single character is now an epic deviantart OC self insert, it all makes sense. The limits of wackiness and sense of social normality within the setting broke down a long time ago. Clair's once completely insane HGSS look is pretty mundane and unremarkable by modern standards.

>>58998486
there was a guy from the last game called vinny

>>58993544
>unique iconic hairstyle
they mostly had pretty average hairstyles
and pretty funny they have to make one up to use and change the new one's hair rather using the actual designs because it would dismantle their points, very disingenuous
like even the ugly hat is closer to leaf's than anything else lol
the only real issue is the androgynous outfits, TCPi's gay for pushing that shit

>>58997518
I don't. Now tell me why you're here and not on leddit with the rest of your kind

>>58993544
The gen 9 femMC had really stupid "unique" hair too stfu retard

>cisgender Heterosexual man
Your opinion doesn't count anymore! Fuck off back to tumblr

>>58995112
Her model has aggressively defined ass cheeks

>>58998547
>>58993960

>>58998486
>also they can't just be called john or frank it has to be a totally zany name like luxarion or some shit.
They used up all of the regular names in the early gens.

>>58998486
>Penny isn't a normal name

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>>58993611
There's no such thing as pointless gendering, freak!

>>58993960
>cisgender
WTF, that's not even a word. People need to stop saying that!

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>>58994541

>>58994587
Sugi needs to come back and show him how it's done!