>>59000841
Are the ZA mega abilities out?

>>59000848
No, but the XY starters' mega abilities got spoiled in the Champions segment from the Direct. Bulletproof, Levitate and Protean.

>>59000859
>Levitate is real
Oof.

>>59000841
It's very annoying that it gets locked out of one of the best psychic game plans. It could still be strong but idk

>>59000869
Yup. You can see the Groud move coming from miles away, so it's underwhelming when Psychic Surge or Magic Guard were options.

>>59000859
>Delphox now can't take advantage of Expanding Force without help now
>Chesnaught and Greninja keep their normal abilities
And just like that, they made all the Kalos starter Megas mid. Bravo Game Freak

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>>59000841
Comp's at the point where if the answer to the question
>Does it get run over by Incineroar
is no, it's useless

>>59000902
I’m more annoyed that I can’t abuse Expanding Force with it now. Really disappointing choice. I get why it’s there, but it’s not what I personally wanted.

>>59000841
and what is that going to do mega salamence

>>59000841
Why do people act like Expanding Force was its only option. Even the typical Expanding Force users are not limited to Expanding Force strats.

>>59000964
It’s a strong option that it lost out on.

>>59000964
Mega Garde also has other options but can also use Expanding Force

i view compfags with contempt they'd ride roughshod over anything thematic if it meant viability

Expanding Force used by a psychic type on psychic terrain is 234 base power.

Heat Wave used by a fire type in sunny day is 213 base power.

It's not that big a deal.

>>59000977
Both blocked by wide guard.

>Why are people annoyed that a pokemon that will only exist in pokemon champions will be bad in champions
???????????????

159 Special and Earthquake immunity is still credible.

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It'll be good in smogon for sure but i'd rather peel my toenails off one by one than play showdown in 2026 and no one plays smogon on real hardware

You were gonna use Alakazam anyway.

/vp/ and smogon are both invariably wrong when it comes to predicting how good or bad something will be in competitive.

If Mega Meganium has Leaf Guard then may the Switch 2 get hacked.

>"Earthquake immunity"
who cares?

>>59001045
post elo

>>59000908
Is inciniroar that good?

>>59001104
He's been the best support pokemon in the game since whenever he got intimidate and got better with Parting shot

>>59001103
9999

>>59001111
Meanwhile there are Pokemon that go neglected multiple generations, with someone even losing shit.
>people will defend this

>>59000841
Campaignfag here, how does Expanding Force works in this case? It hits both targets but only with 80 power since it doesn't get the terrain boost? Or just hits one target?

>>59001142
Expanding force is slightly worse than psychic unless its used while on psychic terrain, in which case it becomes a spread move(and I think it also doesn't get hit with the slight damage reduction that spread moves get, since its not technically a spread move, but idk that might be misinfo)
Delphox will not get the benefits of psychic terrain since it Levitates

>>59000977
idk man 10% extra damage sounds like it could be make or break

>>59001141
giving inceneroar intimidate was a huge mistake because despite being obviously oppressive like OG gale wings they can't directly nerf intimidate without completely upending the balance of the game and fucking over a huge number of pokemon in the process. Imo they should just bite the bullet and change his ability to something less fucking cancer.
They did it with Gengar and he deserved it far, far less.

>>59000841
>ifunny watermark
This board is so cooked.

>>59001147
>Delphox will not get the benefits of psychic terrain since it Levitates
Even when Game Freak decides to NOT subvert expectations a Pokemon gets fucked over.
Because of this Incineroar will get two more moves it never needed.

boop

>>59000841
lancer deltarune

>>59000841
It doesn't really, but megas are a dogshit mechanic that restricts you to using one of the best two available megas in the metagame, the third one may be an option if you're Wolfe
Any other mega is worthless

>>59001083
Reality is that most people, myself included, are still sorta stuck in the gen 4-6 era of competitive in terms of mindset, Earthquake is the strongest move ever, Swampert and Vaporeon are giga powerful, Garchomp is the strongest pokemon ever, etc. etc.
Can be hard to keep up with the times when every new generation tries its best to make the new pokemon so overtuned that it renders all old pokemon obsolete.

>>59001184
Just have Intimidate not work on types the Intimidator is weak to, that keeps it on theme (can scared those who know they have the advantage) and nerfs the cat to near uselessness since everyone and their mother has a Ground, Fighting and/or Water type

>>59002157
*can’t scare those

>>59002157
The trick is coming up with a way to nerf intimidate that nerfs Incineroar but doesnt nerf Arcanine.
The simple answer is to just change Incineroar's hidden ability to something else.

>>59002107
People stuck in the Gen 6 smogon meta where Earthquake is THE move to look out for. lol

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>>59000841
Mega Delphox + Indeedee is actually a good starting point for a team. I'm pretty sure Delphox gets Expanding Force and could dish out big damage. You can also add a Trick Room element. This is a very common team composition, so I can definitely do okay with it.

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They already did a minor nerf Intimidate by giving immunity to a number of useful but very under-powered abilities. I think extending this to a few more abilities it makes sense for would be nice

>>59002408
Is this a joke post?

>>59002472
No. I was thinking in terms of VGC, I don't play singles.

>>59002482
You don't sound like you’re thinking at all. Mega Delphox is unaffected by psychic terrain.

>>59002408
scarf indeedee + gravity gonna go ham

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>>59002491
Oh shit, you're right. Please don't screen cap my embarrassing posts.