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>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 6th Gen Consoles and older. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.
>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright.
>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Do people read this? Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.
CRT Pastebin (Never Ever) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup _adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
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>>12378924
ooh, that makes sense. i play my media from usb drives locally. on an unrelated note, i finally got my hands on that 3d playstation tv. i definitely overpayed but i've been wanting one for a while and i found one in great shape, with working glasses. it's got me back into 7th gen stuff. what's your favourite 3d movie you've watched on it?
>>12379430
it has a nice interface, and i already own 2. the path of least resistance is using a decently powerful device with native composite output that is already in my house. and even if i didn't already own one, they're plentiful and still cheap.
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>>12380251
Avatar and Tron: Legacy are the only ones I've tried so far, I'm a lot more interested in the games. Speaking of the glasses, I bought these Bravia glasses that run on replaceable coil cells that are also much more comfortable than the ones that came with the display.
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Did any consumer TVs have a dot mask rather than a slot mask? I know plenty of VGA monitors used dot masks, as well as non-sony professional monitors like ones made by panasonic, but I've never heard of any TVs that use them.
I just really find slot masks ugly tbqh.
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I finally made my mobile battle stations. Every console is connected to a giant industrial power strip that I can unplug whenever I'm not using them (10 outlets for the cart with the smaller CRT, 16 for the cart with the big one). Idk what I'll do about video cable management, but since it's so easy to get behind the tv's, I'll probably just plug each console's video cables in when I'm ready to play them. Would like to add a couple more consoles eventually, but for now I'm quite happy with how they turned out.
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these wire rolling carts are a popular setup for CRTs/consoles, and objectively they're a very practical solution. But I just can't stand them for my own personal setup. They just look so ugly. But at the same time, it's become downright impossible to find something suitable that actually looks nice, because nobody makes TV stands that are deep enough or sturdy enough to support big CRTs anymore, so you're limiting to picking through facebook boomer scraps locally.
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Just bought this, need to fix a few issues. The image is obviously tilted, which I assume I just fix by adjusting the yoke to make it steady.
Second issue is that the image is bowing a bit, which is hard to see in the picture but noticeable.
Third issue is that there is a pretty strong blue tint to the image, and at certain brightnesses, visible blue horizontal lines can be seen on the picture in an hourglass pattern.
What do I need to do here to fix these?
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>>12380441
Here's another picture of it, this is Batocera over component.
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I don't get this shit. It looks horrendous. It immediately makes me think you're poor and live alone with no friends or in a basement where your parents don't care. Just spend like a few more dollars for proper decent looking furniture, heck even the temu chinese furniture shit with LEDs and stuff is probably cheaper and better.
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>>12380442
a yoke adjustment is probably the ideal, but I do know that a lot of these wega trinitrons also had a limited degree of software rotation you could do in the regular menu. You could try that too. For the rest of the geometry, just go into the service menu and fuck around with settings until it looks "good enough". And you can use 240p test suite to check the relative strengths of red/green/blue and adjust the cutoff and amplitude of the green and blue to match red and try to get a neutral white.
Do those horizontal/diagonal lines moves across the screen? Could be retrace lines which can happen if brightness/voltage is cranked too high IIRC. Could try adjusting G2 on the flyback.
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>>12380459
Not sure if this WEGA model has adjustment but the picture is so severe I think I'd have to adjust it regardless.
The lines don't move, and are more/less visible depending on brightness. Will adjusting G2 also fix the color tint issue, or is that another problem entirely?
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>>12380467
if the lines don't move, I don't think they're retrace lines so I wouldn't fuck with the flyback in that case. I'm no expert on this though, and I have no idea what those lines could be if they're not moving.
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>>12380463
>but it's organized
Is it though? I use wire shelves for stuff, but like, there's rules to this shit lol.
>>12380465
CRTs really aren't that beefy and heavy as most people make out. These 2000s sets are very light. Also it doesn't really matter what it's made of as much as it matters how it's fastened and put together.
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>>12380483
It is in an eyesore sort of way. But yeah, my personal rule is to hide or minimize cords and other junk clashing with other junk.
>>12380483
>CRTs really aren't that beefy and heavy as most people make out.
The ones before the 2000 models aren't. I think it had to do with lead, as in, some earlier models had it as it wasn't illegal at the time, so those weigh more. Old microwaves are also like that, heavy as an elephant because of lead shielding.
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>>12380510
Yeah pre 2000s it's also just generally all the parts are bigger and beefier. I'm not sure the exactly when it was but sometime around the year 2000 is when capacitors shrunk down considerably as well. So your old 80s and 90s sets were usually made of heavier materials wood and earlier plastic molds with bigger electronics and in the 2000s you had thinner better plastic molds and smaller internals.
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>>12380440
Yeah basically for me, the main reason I went with the racks is because it makes cable management much easier, allows me to move everything into a corner when I'm not using them, and they are expandable as long as I get new shelves. Not a looker, but for my purposes it's pretty much perfect
>>12380453
And no shoddily made garbage off Temu with garish lights that'll go out in a few months is not a better option. I'm looking for function, not form.
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>>12381568
There's so much better cheaper function over form stuff you can still get that's not that ugly ass poor person wire shelf shit lmao.
Your house looks like you live with your grandparents and smells bad and you live off ebt and shit or whatever and other kids wouldn't ever want to come to your house except to buy your adhd medication.
It's fucking embarrassing.
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How do I use these do fix vertical convergence? Rotating them just messes with horizontal convergence
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I'm >>12380442
I adjusted the yoke and fixed the bowing/rotated image, and adjusted the G2 and focus to fix that tint/blue line issue. Now all I gotta do is fix the convergence and that discoloration on the right side (purity issue?) And I think it'll look great. How do I do that?
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>>12382739
You're projecting actually. My dad not only loves me and gives me positive attention we're best friends and regularly interact and hang out together. My dad is the shit.
On the other hand you clearly live with your parents/grandparents in a shithole which is extremely obvious from the decor and wire racks lmao.
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I'm too far down the CRT rabbit hole. There's no turning back.
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>component and composite input switches are still manufactured and widely available on Amazon
>if you want an S-Video input switch you gotta search ebay
what's going on here? was it really that rare of a cable type?
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>>12384221
What exactly did I fall for?
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>>12383745
you dont want the chinese ones on amazon that aren't powered. look on ebay for ones that you have to plug into an outlet, otherwise you're wasting your time using s-video because the switch box degrades the signal.
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why don't you faggots go find a room to kiss eachother in and stop shitting up the general?
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My mom still owns a widescreen CRT, i love her for that
What are the negatives of these? i heard they have input lag similar to flatscreens due to internal processing, but at least they have the visuals of a CRT, right?
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>>12385861
Widescreen CRTs don't introduce input lag by themselves. They're still analog SD TVs.
Only HD CRTs do, and it's only a subset of widescreen TVs. There were very few of those in Europe, in NA they were more popular. You gotta check what that particular TV is, look for HDMI inputs or something.
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Sup /crt/?
I just picked this up from a church rummage sale this morning and just got it home, need to clean it still before hooking anything up. It's from '88, never had a TV this old, I'm fully expecting it to not work or have terrible geometry or something, will update in about an hour.
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>>12386458
I get it you don't care
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CTJ-2062R-1
Low and behold, it's shit. I don't know why I was expecting any better. It's dim, the colors are all over the place, it's blurry etc. but the case is so clean and it has fake shitty wood grain. Should I use it to teach myself how to recap and try to fix/mod old TVs? I only paid $10 for it so I don't mind if I accidentally sacrifice it.
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my panasonic crt playing the little mermaid vhs
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>>12386905
I've been using one for 4 years, it doesn't inspire a ton of confidence but it works. The package said the rack could hold 600lbs safely.
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>>12386953
Old pic but here you go
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What's the most aesthetic CRT in your opinion?
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Not quite side of the road yet but my elderly neighbors have a pretty decent looking CRT in their garage collecting dust. I’m thinking about offering to take it for them since my guess is they straight up can’t move it (the man uses a walker to move around). It’s a Sharp either 27” or 32” pic related.
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>>12389557
They make literally no sense for a CRT setup unless your CRT setup is also your shop or garage lol.
Imagine going to someone's house and they have wireracks of old shit next to their furniture like this dipshit has. I bet their house smells like dog or cat excrement and smoke.
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>>12389634
There's no projection at all. It's mostly from life experience of people I have met, especially other kids when I was younger going to their houses.
My house isn't amazing, but I'm pretty proud of the things I've done in it desu. Also my grandparents unfortunately have all passed away :(
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>>12389645
Theres a very low chair behind it, its probably misleading
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>>12389602
Lol okay, if you are samefagging by copying another anon's post just to trudge your shitty trolling attempt back up then this would be one of the most desperate attempts at rage baiting I've seen on this board in a while.
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Chunky 240p scanlines on a computer CRT
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Got this bitch for free, I believe everything works I just have to clean it up and probably calibrate some shit. Wasn't even looking for it, how good did I do?
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>>12388841
Sadly I missed out on owning one of these many years ago. Now most of them are so old they ended up in landfill or coomlectors are hoarding them in their reddit tier mancaves and wont let go or sell them for ridiculous prices.
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>>12390603
why
this is 320x240 @ 120 Hz since a computer monitor cant really go 60 Hz at 240p
I guess its fine since its still a multiple of 60 Hz ?
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I wish I had a time machine so I could go back and be a rich guy lottery winner living in japan during the 80s bubble economy then I would hoard all the crts for myself.
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>>12390650
I've managed to snatch one of these locally a few weeks ago. Never thought I'd even see one in person, and here it is in my hands. Still needs some servicing, but I'm working on it.
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>>12388841
I miss late 90s colorful transparent plastic
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>>12390698
>please get your consoles off the floor
That was only temporary when I was testing it with different hardware because it didn't want to sync to some consoles' RGB signal. Now all my consoles are neatly placed on the rack that came with the TV, it's very spacious.
The setup is not done yet, I need to fix/calibrate a few things on the TV and find a way to manage the cables better. I'm also waiting for the TV tuner that's supposed to fit on the top shelf (the Profeel is only a monitor by itself). Of course it's useless today, but I wanted to have the complete set. I'll post a proper pic when I'm done working on it.
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>>12390149
Greetings from Marcos Bistro, did some geometry changes in the service menu, had no idea how much you can change in it although I just did some minor tweaks. Next step is probably getting a component cable.
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I got a 27" Trinitron ProFeel with its matching stand for $20 AUD cash circa 2013. I think it's from 1989.
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>>12391589
Nice set anon. Worth mentioning how good the audio on these is. The amp and external speakers sound really great compared to most CRTs. I'm not sure, but I think I saw in some catalog that Sony even offered them separately as small bookshelf speakers. Makes me feel kinda bad when going back to my other TV that I thought had nice audio quality. I mean, it still does, but has nothing on the Profeel to be honest.
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Is my screen too small?
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For a laugh I used a cheap ass no name video converter to connect my steam deck to a Sony PVM. How's it look?
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I have a line on a free KV-27V42. Apparently easy to RGB and component mod. Could be a fun project. Anyone have the same one?
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>>12400797
looks good to me
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Not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask but I have a 19" Syncmaster that "popped" when I was adjusting the swivel stand and now it won't turn on anymore. As soon as I hook it up I can hear a repeating click so I assume it's arcing somewhere, how do I even begin to diagnose it?
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>>12400618
The fuck are you even talking about, the PVM doesn't have a picture knob you tool. It has brightness and contrast. Can't adjust brightness because it blows out the blacks and looks best under half contrast is fine at half but looks better at max.
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>>12400797
I also used a cheap ass video converter to connect a PC to my PVM how does it looks?
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>>12401302
God I hate 4chan rotating the image and me forgetting every time. Here's it again so you don't have to tilt your head. You can get one of these converters for like $20 or less if you look in the right place.
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You'll need to take off the cover and look at the board and either look for a popped cap which would be obvious or start going down the line of traces until you find the failed part. If you've never done anything like this before it's probably beyond your scope.
>>12400880
I would just stick with the s-video, s-video is decent enough and if you truly want RGB just look for another tv down the line.
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>>12401373
This one
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I replaced my 14" Grundig I've had for about 3 months with this. Only managed to get the guy down to £50 plus I had to buy a remote on ebay for £8 (not here yet) so I think I definitely overpaid.
Still, time is money and I was tired of waiting for one to pop up locally.
Bought a cheap HDMI to RCA converter on Amazon and it's totally fine for watching 4:3 stuff from my plex server.
21" Panasonic TC-21S3R
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Wip PVM cart, have a Sony 8220 coming today that I'm excited for. I need a nicer looking cart
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>>12402317
Super resolution doesn't mean conversion though. You can output super resolutions with >>12401378 too.
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>>12400880
Picked the free 27V42 up today. Great shape but very dusty. I will do a disassembly, cleaning, and RGB mod.
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I can't see any bulging or popped caps but the traces thing might indeed be out of my scope, I'll give it another shot. I resoldered a loose part but that didn't help
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Looks great
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>>12379750
>looking for apartments in Japan
>find apartment that comes with a CRT TV
That's kinda cool, actually. Looks flat-screened. Is that a Wega?
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>>12404790
>equipment with less features
Not even close, my PC monitor actually has more features that most TVs without even having to secretly enter a service menu. I can adjust pretty much every major setting I can think of right off the main menu. Also picture and contrast are literally the same thing. So I'm not sure if you're just being an asshole or are literally retarded.
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Not really, just my emulation machine from off the shelf parts. I think the CPU and Mobo are like an 9th gen intel and shitty msi z390 gaming edge? I got them for fixing a computer for someone. Then an old 1660 super I used to use for transcoding before I rebuilt my plex server with a modern 12th gen quicksync cpu + a 5450 I had laying around for CRTEmudriver. My Main machines have a 3950/2080s and 9950/5080 so I don't really need a third beefy system in the room just for emulation lol.
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Anyone know if its normal to see weird hues on the left and right of a large 32in CRT when a small picture is displayed that doesn't take up the entire display?
I've only noticed this issue when watching modern content on my CRT with wide screen aspect ratio. Also playing handheld games on Mister displaying out on the CRT causes the weird blue tint on the left and a red tint on the right.
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I know shit has gotten expensive but why bother chasing these kind of micro crts? they're just shit and you'll have a worse time gaming with them than playing on a modern screen. These were secondary crap that you used for the kitchen, they're not fucking gaming machines.
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>>12406265
I like my 9'' CRT, but I would agree this size generally isn't suitable for gaming. I have it for other reasons. 10 inches would be the minimum for me, I have a 13'' TV that works a lot better.
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>>12406265
Hey, my auntie used to have a sweet red crt in her nice kitchen, i recall that one being a red sony crt
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I went down this rabbit hole in some previous /crt/ threads. I'm too stubborn to buy additional hardware, but I got Plex working with my OG Xbox with XBMC. A new version was just released, but I had to revert to 3.5.3 from 2016 to make playback transcoding work right.
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Some DKC on the 16 incher (w/ composhit) to wind down from the wage cage. what are you guys playing?
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WIDE NIGGA PRIDE
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>>12406957
I tried that with my XBOX. I got annoyed with all the hardware limitations and ended up just having a dedicated raspberry pi 4 with libreelec Kodi.
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>>12379750
OP pic made me think of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azi_4YDDYbk
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Trying to convert the VGA RGB signal to s-video but all I can get as a result from this damn processor is this. I can't tell if it just doesn't like the input signal or if the unit is busted. The test signal patterns work perfectly fine so I know it's not the s-video cable or the TV. Extremely frustrating because 2 of my sets are s-video only so I need to get this working before amplifying to them.
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blast from the past
https://web.archive.org/web/20130714041014/https://www.tested.com/tech /gaming/456719-best-crt-retro-games /
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how much would it cost to produce a new CRT from scratch? surely some of the parts got cheaper over time... how much were CRTs when bought new again ?
https://vimeo.com/591387422
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>>12409764
blowing glass isn't rocket science
electron guns you can basically fashion out of wire
phosphors you can grind up with a pestle and mortar, and stick in place with some elmers glue or something
it's mostly uppity nerds who don't want the value of their precious pvms to plummet to zero trying to gaslight everyone that crt manufacturing is lost atlantis technology
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>it's mostly uppity nerds who don't want the value of their precious pvms to plummet to zero trying to gaslight everyone that crt manufacturing is lost atlantis technology
It's this but it's not PVM nerds, it's just literal scalpers.
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