>>12419631
it was cheaper in non-USA cuntries because of our stupid taxes. then again with cunts like brasil, both consoles and DVD players were expensive anyway.

for me DVD players did not reach below 200 bucks until Bluray players and online streaming became a thing.

>>12419631
Because people misremember a lot of shit in general
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_common_misconceptions&oldid=1265375504

>>12419643
>it was EXPENSIVE in non-USA cuntries because of our stupid taxes

my bad

>>12419631
>Stuff like "PS2 was the cheapest DVD player in 2000"
It was the cheapest because it came for "free" with your videogame console

>>12419631
Because there's a major lack of good sources
Just have a look at some of the citations on Wikipedia. Old industry papers that have never been publicly available, ancient websites with no reasoning behind why they're considered a reliable source, books that are just a compilation of unsourced information found elsewhere, magazines where the citated pages do not contain anything related to the claimed citation etc.
And these same claims make their way around and around the internet until they become the truth. Someone adds utter horseshit to Mobygames in 2006, this gets added to Wikipedia in 2007, gets removed due to a lack of reliable sources in 2008, someone publishes a "book" that's just a copy-paste of the 2007 Wikipedia article in 2010, that book then gets re-used as a reliable citation on Wikipedia in 2012. The lies get repeated from there in various internet videos and forum posts since there's now a real citation that nobody ever bothers to check. And so the utter horseshit with no actual source has become the truth.
This is in no way exclusive to video games, as it affects every facet of truth in our modern digital world. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it other than learn to check sources by yourself when possible and make your own decisions on what the truth is.

>>12419631
>Stuff like "PS2 was the cheapest DVD player in 2000"
Wasn't the cheapest, but a top of the line video game system with your DVD player (and it wasn't THAT much more expensive) was a hell of a deal

>Or "Sega of america and Sega of japan were at war with each other and that's why Sega died"
Maybe, maybe not. But there was a lot of the right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing going on which didn't help things
>"Thanks to satoru iwata we have Kanto in pokemon gold/silver"
Don't know anything about this
>"Nintendo saved the video game industry in 1983"
To a lot of people "video games" mean "consoles" and the console market in the US was absolutely in dire shape at the time.
>"Gunpei yokoi is the creator of the game boy"
He led R&D1 and was behind a lot of the philosophy that led to the creation of it? I don't know what the problem is.

>>12419631
>PS2 was the cheapest DVD player in 2000
Guessing that comes from confusing it with the PS3 and bluray players.

>>12419631
Because Nintendo YouTubers

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I'm quite the expert in video game history and I can tell you that games were harder back then to counter the rental market, as well as to sell strategy guides. You see, it was all a conspiracy theory as devs and publishers were all in it together to make games the way players didn't want them to be in order to make more money.

That, and the devs didn't really know what they were doing because of the lack of testing they were far removed from their audiance.

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>>12419695
Don't forget every positive score in an old game magazine is from a shill reviewer who was accepting bags of cash from the publisher. Except for Donkey Kong 64 for some reason, the positive reviews for that game are undeniable proof that it's not actually a huge piece of shit!

>>12419631
Because it's a 'hobby' for children, this is no different than that kid telling you made up BS about Pokémon or his dad working for Nintendo.

>>12419668
>He led R&D1 and was behind a lot of the philosophy that led to the creation of it? I don't know what the problem is.

The real creator of the GameBoy was satoru okada

Yokoi wanted to make a successor to the game & watch , close to tiger electronic

Okada wanted a NES portable with a cartridge system

He's the main force behind the concept and engineering of the GameBoy

>>12419631
all of these statements are simplifications but not incorrect in any way. you are not intelligent, just a faggot midwit.

>>12419763
They are incorrect Iwata has nothing to do with the inclusion of Kanto

>>12419763
Arcades were already recovering when Nintendo came in, and computer gaming actually experienced a major boom during the '83-'85 years.
Console gaming didn't die so much as the previous console generation died, and Nintendo just happened to be the one to first test the waters for a new console generation. If they hadn't done it, somebody else would have done it a couple of years later.

>>12419631
Because some of us were actually there and when the PS2 released it was indeed the cheapest option if you wanted a DVD player. Granted, it wasn't long after DVD players plummeted in price, but there was indeed a small window.

>>12419631
even if the PS2 was the same price as your average DVD player, it was that PLUS the most up to date game console with the most exciting newest games PLUS the most successful console of the previous generation all in one slick black package. it was the biggest bang for your buck probably ever in vidya

The DVD player thing was a big deal. People talked about it. Kids could use it as an excuse to get a PS2 and they wouldn't have to have another electronic box.
People who say it was "the" cheapest either weren't there, didn't actually compare DVD prices at the time, or are misremembering details.

>>12421245
It's important to note that DVDs were the hot new thing and people didn't have players yet so everyone was looking to buy a player and the PS2 conveniently shows up.
At the start of 01, DVD players were in 10% of US households, 20% at the end of the year. People were specifically looking to get DVD players.

>>12419631
>questions "misinformation" about vidya history
>cooks a post full of misinformation
I personally blame youtubers
>>12419763
>OP is just a faggot midwit.
/thread

>>12419631
It's tendie cope for Nintendo getting absolutely raped for 2 gens back to back.

>>12419646
Fuck off glowie, we both know the timeline shifted.

>>12419631
DVD's were mildly cool for extra fluff like commentary and deleted scenes but people had been building VHS collections for 10+ years and were comfortable with the VCR. The vast majority were not dying for a new expensive VCR when the one they had worked fine.

Also fighting over the PS2 with your kids every time you wanted to watch a movie sucks ass and would immediately regret their decision and look for their own DVD player.

>>12420870
>If they hadn't done it, somebody else would have done it a couple of years later.
The only reason anyone says this cope is to downplay an accomplishment. It can apply to anything in history.

nintendo is the devil

>>12421367
Sort of true, but it's really down to whether you believe the Great Man theory of history or that history largely proceeds due to historical forces. Does the Great Man make history happen, or does history make the Great Man happen?
And Nintendo makes a pretty shitty Great Man

>>12421367
If you weren't here to be a fag someone would step up and do it

>>12421378
You could have simply cut pseud bullshit and say you're tsundere for Nintendo.

>>12419652
>It was the cheapest because it came for "free" with your videogame console
>>12419668
>was a hell of a deal
All this.
The DVD factor was a big selling point. There were marketing campaigns to explain that it could in fact play games AND dvds AND CDs without any peripheral bull$hit. We were still in the era where entertainment equipment (consoles, stereos, etc.) wasn't even routinely packaged with cords that could connect to you existing equipment and out of fucking nowhere this motherfucker was next gen across the board.
It was the only viable 2-in-1 on the market, making it even cheaper than the $100 "less" Gamecube a year later.
>>12421361
Ignore this retard.
Few parents were buying their kid a PS2 so the parent could use the DVD player, if anything there were buying it so the kid didn't have to use the parents' DVD players.
And DVDs were a big hit with nearly everyone. Most people couldn't wait to ditch their clunky ass VHSs for a medium that was better in every way. The bookcases full of dusty VHS boxes in living rooms and basements disappeared almost overnight. Even quicker than streaming taking over DVDs.

>>12421421
I would imagine a lot of people were like me when it came to the PS2 as a DVD player. I really wasn't interested in moving over to DVDs, but since the PS2 player could play them, I wound up picking one up, and shortly thereafter moved over to almost exclusively DVDs.

>>12419631
Rumor and hearsay that simplify history into easily digestible trivia is more important than actual research. The truth is, nobody likes to learn anything if it involves cross referencing sources and researching things beyond a wikipedia article. Even a hobby that is filled with nerds like video games is filled with midwit "historians" that want to look smart than know what they're talking about.
>>12419763
>simplifications
>but not incorrect
Simplifications are what lead to incorrect accounts of history, nigtard.

>>12419654
>Just have a look at some of the citations on Wikipedia. Old industry papers that have never been publicly available, ancient websites with no reasoning behind why they're considered a reliable source, books that are just a compilation of unsourced information found elsewhere, magazines where the citated pages do not contain anything related to the claimed citation etc.
>Someone adds utter horseshit to Mobygames in 2006, this gets added to Wikipedia in 2007, gets removed due to a lack of reliable sources in 2008, someone publishes a "book" that's just a copy-paste of the 2007 Wikipedia article in 2010, that book then gets re-used as a reliable citation on Wikipedia in 2012.

Even better is when you know a wiki article is bullshit, the citation is bullshit, and then you delete it, only to find weeks, months, or years later that the bullshit claim with the bullshit source is back on the page.

>>12421421
>Few parents were buying their kid a PS2 so the parent could use the DVD player
That's what I said. That doesn't stop the myth repeated here and elsewhere that kids were convincing parents to buy a PS2 for the dvd player.
>Most people couldn't wait to ditch their clunky ass VHSs for a medium that was better in every way.
Wrong. Most people saw little benefit and Blockbuster was full of VHS in the early 2000's.
>The bookcases full of dusty VHS boxes in living rooms and basements disappeared almost overnight.
More BS. 100 million Americans still regularly used VHS in 2005.

>>12421464
Based on my personal experience, I want to say that you are wrong. But now I'm sitting here wondering if the reason I believe you to be wrong is centered around classism.

>Few parents were buying their kid a PS2 so the parent could use the DVD player
I got mine around Christmas time of that year because a) it's what I wanted for Christmas and b) I was in the right place, right time, and Best Buy had just gotten a shipment in and I was able to snag one/convince my mom. However, I did have friends whose parents bought one to have both a DVD/Game System on the family room TV.

>Wrong. Most people saw little benefit and Blockbuster was full of VHS in the early 2000's.
This is where I take issue. I worked at Blockbuster from '99 to '05. We were quickly phasing out VHS and by '03-'04 we were seriously a 50 to 1 when it came to DVD/VHS. Pretty sure by the end of '04 we didn't receive a VHS period. Further, coming from an upper class family, my father immediately ditched VHS by the truckload and started buying DVD hand over fist.

>More BS. 100 million Americans still regularly used VHS in 2005.
I can't name a fucking soul that still used VHS in '05. We had all transitioned to DVD at that point.

This is why I think it was a class thing.

>>12421464
>100 million Americans still regularly used VHS in 2005.
No they fucking didn't. You just looked up "last produced VHS for a major film was History of Violence in 2005" and are just assuming that everyone was buying tapes still, when DVDs had fully replaced tapes by that point.
>>12421479
Classim nothing, that anon's just stirring up shit like every dumbfuck on /vr/ now.

>>12421464
>100 million Americans still regularly used VHS in 2005
Practically everyone living in a G7 country was using DVDs in 2005

>>12421479
>This is why I think it was a class thing.
Not American, but I think so too. All my rich relatives dumped VHS in droves circa 2002-2003, because DVD was a) more convenient (smaller boxes); b) better quality (no need to rewind, no risk of tape snagging, no gradual quality loss due to tape wear).

>>12421464
>More BS. 100 million Americans still regularly used VHS in 2005.
Depends what "used" means in this context. I was 100% all in on DVDs, but that only covers commercial releases. You wanted to record live broadcasts? Chances are you weren't an early adopter for DVD RAM or whatever came first, so you still put that living room VCR to use.
Where I lived DVD sales exploded '99-'01. It was crazy because I remember Laserdisc doing absolutely nothing here. I mean nothing. None of the rich kids had one, stores were always threatening to drop the format entirely, people who knew what they were thought they were stupid and pointless. And yet DVD was expensive & not recordable and yet, everyone wanted one and wanted to replace their movie collections.

>>12421464
>That doesn't stop the myth repeated here and elsewhere that kids were convincing parents to buy a PS2 for the dvd player.
I did. I mostly just wanted a PS2 but I did try the technique. And I remember sitting with my family in 2001 watching our first DVD on a PS2. We only had one TV, so if the parents wanted to use the TV I wasn't gaming elsewhere. They used it as a DVD player, I didn't.