>>12425676
>Japanese systems would have still been worth owning alongside a PC
This is the reality you live in. The only major western console has been in a vegetable like state on life support for over a decade.

>>12425682
Sony is in a vegetable like state too, but I think you are missing the point. Sony/Sega dominance in the 2000s would have prevented modern game trends. Ie open world/online over-dominance, micro transactions. JRPGs, Fighting games, Shmups would still be dominant genres today.

Did you know this would happen back in 2001? I had a strong sense that things would never get better creatively after SEGA folded in the first quarter of '01.

>>12425676
>Sega and Sony being the top two contenders in late 90s would have pushed each other to new heights that would have prevented Western slop getting a foothold in the 2000s
Are you retarded? Sega was pushing arcade-style games for two generations in a row -- Saturn and then Dreamcast. They stagnated while Nintendo focused on delivering gameplay, and Sony focused more on presentation. Sony's focus on presentation is what ultimately led to modern games. It started with the God of War series which had very bland gameplay but "mature gamers" stroked their dix at the in-game cinematics and "muh mature storyline", then continued in a different form with Uncharted, Last of Us.

>>12425676
Can literally still feel the gaping hole that SEGA left behind in the gaming landscape. Sony was always shit. If Sony had died nothing of value would have been destroyed.

>>12425696
>Ie open world/online over-dominance, micro transactions.
Literally what? EA, Bethesda, and Blizzard were mostly responsible for that. Microsoft is probably the largest culprit for these things since it all mostly began with CoD4 and gamerbros, Oblivion horse armor, Blizzard WoW brain hijacking. It doesn't have anything to do with Nintendo

>>12425765
I think he's saying Nintendo completely failed at courting the dudebro market, which opened the door for the XBox to become second place.

Nothing could have saved them. Gamers wanted something different from what SEGA offered. Now we have the industry from 7th gen and onwards.

>>12425770
>Nothing could have saved them
Nonsense, as hundreds of threads have shown us, there's plenty that could have saved them, because they botched a lot of things.

This isn't about "what could have saved them" though, this is about "what if they had been saved, what effect would that have on the gaming landscape afterwards"

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>>12425676
no

sega would just be like microsoft

>>12425676
>If Sega had launched Saturn better in the West, I can guarantee you it would have outsold N64
Say the Saturn launches in September as was originally planned in the US. Then what? It still doesn't have enough Western-appealing games. No Sonic, while N64 has Mario on day 1. Also funny that you bitch about "Western slop" when that was the bread and butter of the Genesis library, which succeeded.

>>12425765
I'm saying Nintendo didn't provide adequate competition to Sony, Sony became complacent in the mid 2000s. If Sega was its primary competitor, they would have pushed Sony to do better and vice versa.
>>12425768
This.
>>12425793
Games being popular in the U.S doesn't make them "Western Slop", being developed in the west does.

>>12425809
>Games being popular in the U.S doesn't make them "Western Slop", being developed in the west does.
Half of the best selling Genesis games are literally that

>>12425809
>Games being popular in the U.S doesn't make them "Western Slop", being developed in the west does.
You lost me. Lots of western games are good. I thought by slop you meant the Ubisoft-tier "open world" AAA shit that gets cranked out now in the post-Xbox landscape, but if you just mean anything developed in the West == bad, then I'm afraid you suck and are retarded.

>>12425676
Sega literally *was* Sony's main competition from 94 to 96 you giant retard (and up to 97 in Europe). That is precisely why the Saturn underperformed: during its first years Sony specifically targetted the same player base and market share as Sega's (teens, young adults and hardcore gamers in general), before widening their target (to 'just about everyone').

Or is this a new kind of 'I'm pretending to be retarded to shit on the Saturn' thread? If so here is a protip for you: pretending to be retarded *is* retarded

>>12425768
That's a retarded argument though. It's like saying no one watches basketball because hockey exists to fill a sports niche. It doesn't make sense. Those types of games are popular because they appeal to a specific type of person. There will always be paypigs. The worst offenders now aren't even Ubishit games -- they're anime loli gatcha garbage and Fifa lootboxes and shit, and it's not Xbox dudebros playing that.

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>>12425676
>This isn't another delusional "Sega should have won" fanboy thread.
Yes it is. You're just writing Alternate Reality fanfiction to justify it.

>>12425676
Sony not being in the console business at all would have saved gaming

>>12425696
Sega literally started a game streaming service in the 90s that you pay a subscription for and dlc on Dreamcast. The cancer was inevitable because tards paid for it.

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>>12425676
>be on the sega xbox
>pic related.

my hot take is sega was better off as a software publisher and arcade machine maker. they made seriously GOATest arcade games.

>>12425676
Sega made games you rent and beat in a week. They failed to compete and survive.

>>12425676
Would XBox still have emerged if that was the case?

>>12426047
How? Nintendo and Sega crashed the 16 bit market, PlayStation saved gaming.

>>12427131
>hollywood made movies you rent and watch in less than 2 hr.
>they must have failed!
huh? i'm sure the "forever" games like most of the 4X games made less money than Sega arcade games and SANIC.
>>12427241
i don't remember it crashing at all. there was lots of crap but not on the level of Atari 8bit crap.

>>12425696
>Sony is in a vegetable like state too
They're literally in the process of focusing on Playstation exclusives and not porting their games to PC. That indicates that they have some sort of confidence in their brand, i.e. they're not really vegetables.

I never got console warriors man. They literally think like retarded children and can't see the signs of a business failing or succeeding and have to make shit up in order to justify their favorite brand winning. It goes double when you consider that they can just go full idort and buy/emulate every single console from Sony to Sega and Nintendo and Microsoft from the NES/Genesis to the PS3/X360/Wii with ease rather than do Death Battle type thinking over corporations that won't even pay them for their fanboyism

>>12428320
Anyone online are people not playing games.
As soon as you get that. The better off everyone is.

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>>12428346
Yeah I forgot. I'll just go back to playing games.

nice fanfiction, pass the joint next time, alright?

>>12428694
don't worry we only get 12 of these "what if" threads a day

>>12428320
>I never got console warriors man.
I think it originated with being a poorfag and getting stuck with one console, or rather one brand of consoles, and thus ending up in some kind of sunk-cost fallacy. I had almost every console as a kid and I never cared about any of this shit. All of them had games I liked.

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>>12428710
That might be part of it, but even as an adult, you can just buy two or more systems. My friends had both an Xbox and PS2 and later a PS3 and Xbox 360 and Wiiin college 15 years ago. It's like these turns forgot that they are adults now and can just get any system they want without getting married to it.

Just goes to show you common sense isn't common really.