>>12427006
>ff6 but cutscenes
Yeah, no

>>12427006
>it's 1998 and I'm 12 years old

FF7 had an enormous impact on gaming and anime culture, but I don't think it really made any significant changes to the jrpg formula. It's still a SNES rpg on steroids.

I think there's also an argument to be made that Quake was slightly more influential than Doom.

I can give you Mario and Doom, replace the others with:
>Pong
>Pacman
>Space invaders

Good list but add Street Fighter 2.

>>12427006
What did they foundation?

>>12427021
OP's epic bacon thread, for one.

>>12427006
>innovations, influence,
no, FF7 influenced basically nothing. I agree with legacy and lasting impact though. You should reword you post into "the 5 games that had the longest lasting legacy in america ignoring GTA and halo."

>>12427016
it didn't have big gameplay innovations but was a total revolution in terms of narrative storytelling, cinematics, character development, emotional weight. There's more to games than gameplay

>>12427029
>GTA and halo
negative influence isn't something to celebrate

>>12427006
>4 5th gen games

5th gen bro we can't stop winning!!

FF7 is the first AAA in video game history

>>12427031
>a total revolution in terms of narrative storytelling, cinematics, character development, emotional weight
I could counter half these points with just earlier games in the series. the revolution was this is when Japanese RPGs actually became popular to the white man. The earth existed before you were born.

>>12427056
ffvi and iv are nowhere close to the storytelling ambition of vii. you are retarded and being old, fat and balding is not an argument.

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>>12427056
>a total revolution in terms of narrative storytelling, cinematics, character development, emotional weight
>FF VII

>>12427006
Only Mario 1 could be 'foundational,' the others came like ten years after games starting becoming somewhat relevant

FF7 is rambling bullshit. Horii > Gooch, always

>no sports games
>no racing games
>no simulators
>no city-builders
>no strategy games
Has the person who made this list even played video games?

>>12427061
Im staring into your soul and can see how little of the genre you actually know about. Its pathetic. Dont make sweeping statements that you cant substantiate.

>>12427076
>le epic chosen hero defeats le epic cartoon bad guy in le epic generic medieval fantasy world part 18
DQ simps are so dumb its unreal

>>12427083
name one game before ffvii with a more complex plot or more cinematic storytelling, I'll wait retard-sama.

>>12427016
Quake is just a Doom rehash, though.

>>12427094
you called me fat and a retard and now you want game recommendations? You have a weird way of saying you respect my opinion.

>>12427090
>le epic chosen hero defeats le epic cartoon bad guy in le epic generic medieval fantasy world part 18
this but unironically. now just imagine
>mining for resources is... le bad
>100+ hours to drive this shit home
lmao

>>12427094
Phantasy star series

>Mario twice
>Nintendo 3 times
>4/5ths of the games are 5th gen shit

>>12427107
I accept your concession
>>12427118
one (1) game =/= quadrilogy

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>>12427029
>FF7 influenced basically nothing
I know, I know. It doesn't count because you're gay.

>>12427120
Im sorry the list doesnt have alex kidd, ristar, dizzy the egg or whatever scrimblo retard on the ps1 you grew up playing but in reality no one actually gave a shit about those games.

>>12427139
>quadrilogy
tetralogy

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>1 good game

>>12427171
>muh boomer shooter!
easily the worst game on the list

>>12427176
the poop games have zero replayability after all those years

>>12427202
SM64 ans SMB are replayed more than doom

>>12427006
With the exception of Super Mario Bros. none of these games were innovative or influential. 3D gaming isn't innovative. FPS are arguably the easiest games to design. Locking on is natural/intuitively understood to be needed in a 3D environment.

>>12427006
>FF7
no FF5 or Wizardry or MnM5
>mario
not crazy about platformers except Contra clones.
>zelda oct
Link's Awakening was more impressive.
>mario again
no
>DOOM
true but everyone should play Catacombs 3D first or Wolfeinstein. also DOOM was egged on by Ultima Underworld 1. and TES 1: Arena was trying to copy Underworld 1.

>>12427006
I would argue that world of warcraft and minecraft belong on that list, and I would also argue that you do not need two mario games.

>>12427083
i think the anon you are arguing with is correct. While I think FF6 has an overall better story FF7 has much more world building and everything is far more zoomed in to the moment to moment. FF6 was a huge leap foreward but its still rather zoomed out. I imagine they would have done a more zoomed in story for FF6 if they did not have cartridge size limitations.

Its odd that you have omitted everything multiplayer

>>12427041
command and conquer is very triple A, idk about that. I am surprised I have not seen your statement before. Maybe it becomes a true statement if you say the first triple a console game

>>12427082
>sports games
Pong?
>racing games
this genre is dead despite F-1 becoming more video gamey IRL. People play Mario Kart instead of F Zero X
>Simulators
These are niche
>city builders
you could definitly argue that the sims belongs on this list
>no stratagey games
yeah, AoE2 or Starcraft or Dune matters alot.

>>12427104
quake 'invented' the polygon and the graphics card?


Pokemon could go on this list instead of a second mario game. Multiplayer, birthplace of mobile gaming, mass occult indoctrination supported by the intelligence operation known as google, early e-sport, pokemon connects to alot.

>>12427207
doom is probobly replayed less than 64 but definitly more than mario brothers NES.

>>12427041
>first AAA in video game history
i thought that is Myst?
>>12427139
>one (1) game =/= quadrilogy
Ultima 7.
or Star Ocean 1.
or Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis .
or Monkey Isle 2.

>>12427365
>nothing is innovative because... because it just isnt, okay?!

>>12427391
pokemon did not invent multiplayer, mobile gaming or esports. it didnt even invent monster catching rpgs.

>>12427006
as a '91 chad I approve this message.

>>12427068
Not bait. Just truth.

>>12427415
>b-b-but megami tensei and DQ5!?!!?!
Both games were the monsters fucking suck compared to the human party members and can't even level up in half of the smt games, no trading, no pvp, etc.

I love SMT and DQ but this argument of "POKEMON WAS JUST A COPY" is beyond retarded

>>12427484
pokemon was a groundbreaking and obviously important game, I just dont think its on OP's level where they brought a ton of new things to the table and created/redefined whole genres.

>>12427493
Created the whole monster catching genre, much more impactful than adding fmv cutscenes that would be abandoned the very next gen

>>12427068
I dont even think there's a modern equivalent that is better than ffvii in those categories. X comes close but that's about it. I'd love to hear what games do it better than ffvii so I can play them immediately.

>>12427496
>created
it literally didn't.
>fmv cutscenes that would be abandoned the very next gen
they weren't. Maybe stop trying to throw in your pointless opinion about things you know nothing about. Your baby's rpg is not that deep.

>>12427502
>it didn’t
Might as well have done it because monsters that suck and can't even level up aren't exactly what people think about monster catching games.
>baby rpg
And that baby's rpgs is more complex and has a live pvp scene, can you say the same about your favorite cutscene simulator """"rpg""""? Yeah I guess not

>>12427484
I would definitly credit pokemon for being why nocturne had such improved gameplay compared to past megaten games. I am suprised we do not have 5 romhacks for snes megaten to make demons better and maybe add press turn, instead we have 0.

That being said the design documents for pokemon literally show it starting as a megaten clone. They removed world religion from megaten to create pokemon and made more money than jesus by doing it. Bill (gates) in pokemon is a archetypal refrence to Stephen ( Hawking) in Megaten for example.

>>12427415
It did not invent any of these things but it was a flashpoint that curated them all together. Pokemon put esports in every toys r us nation wide.

>>12427493
pokemon had absolutely nothing to do with the mass adoption of USB ports in computer hardware :^)

>>12427507
Yeah smt really started with Nocturne, Persona 1 is cool too because it's like you have a full 5 demons party that can fire guns if you really think about it

Do you guys get tired of talking about the same shit day in and day out?

>>12427524
Because new retro games are released today

>>12427006
GTA3 deserves a spot too.

>>12427526
There are hundreds of thousands of games released between 1971-2007 but you'd rather talk about the same 5 games every day?

>>12427515
I do like persona 1. The gameplay is better than persona 2 which is unfortunate because persona 2 has much better presentation. Persona 2 needs a romhack like the snes games do.

>>12427006
>Pong
>Pac-Man
>Space Invaders
>Virtua Racing
>Street Fighter II
FTFY

>>12427391
>racing genre is dead
literally on a boom right now and more popular than ever now that millenials can afford to blow thousands on simrigs

>>12427006
You've never played a retro game you didn't play as a kid, huh.

>>12427727
>millenials
games journalist term that don't exist.
>>>/trash/

>>12427006
>ff 7 instead of the 6 others

>>12427984
Final fantasy only became great with FF7

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>>12427529
Came here to post this

>>12427530
>hundreds of thousands of games
no there isnt.

>>12428197
FF7 wasn't even the best FF game on the PlayStation.

>>12427612
pac man was just a one off novelty, doesnt really fit with the rest.

>>12428207
FF8 and 9 are also much better than the first 6

The real revolution regarding FF7 was its marketing budget, partially thanks to the help of Sony.

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>>12428207
>FF7 wasn't even the best FF game on the PlayStation.
This.

>>12428208
Yeah I don't get why they never made another game like pacman

>>12427392
>Monkey Isle 2
You went too far with this one

>>12428229
>8
not really
>9
yes, absolutely

>>12427006
Biggest achievements?
Only Super Mario 64 and Doom count. The rest are rehashes of other respective games in their genres. OoT was not the only 3d game of its kind at the time. And neither was FF7.

>SpaceWar
>Pong
>Colossal Cave Adventure
>Space Invaders
>Donkey Kong
Here's your foundational five.

>>12427529
Shenmue did open world cities two years prior.

>>12428603
Shenmue is no more "open world" than your average JRPG town.

>>12428603
shenmue wasn't pivotal for being open world it was pivotal for being simulationist

>>12428594
Colossal cave adventure is maybe too niche, pitfall invented platforming not donkey Kong and you need to have pacman

>>12428205
every console, handheld, personal computer, and arcade game combined, yes there are from that timeframe

>>12428706
name 100,000. I'll wait.

yawn, why is this board so obsessed with fitting in with normalfaggots?

>>12428647
>Colossal cave adventure is maybe too niche
It was copied by every early text adventure game and RPG in the 70s. In turn those influenced the big titles of the early 80s, Ultima, Wizardry, Mystery House, King's Quest. Every strand of adventure game and every strand of RPG descends from these.
>pitfall invented platforming not donkey Kong
Donkey Kong isn't on the list just because of the platforming or the side-view, but also for the goal-based objective during a time when most games had you shoot all the shit or get all the shit. If anything, Pitfall was a step back to those collectathons. Even Smurf: Rescue in Gargamel's Castle was more forward-thinking than Pitfall.
>you need to have pacman
It's a contender for cultural impact maybe, but in terms of gameplay, maze games were a dead end.

>>12427006
replace ocarina with the original zelda and replace the original mario with street fighter 2

>>12428813
street fighter 2 lead to mortal kombat lead to injustice lead to the death of superman, its more of a top 10 than a top 5 game though.

thinking the original zelda matters more than oot is insane though