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Zombie Exodus part 4 in 3 (three) days! More Madison (best girl) content!
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>mfw LunarGIRTHY KiihAMPLE
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There's still no games
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>>3920139
>madison
brody, bailey, jillian, rachel, and gina are the superior romance options
madison is your archetypal rich girl who thought that school life is unfair to her because she’s privileged, she’s just a whiney cunt, brody was unironically the more sensible of the two
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>>3920185
I'll have you know that there's no "visual" element here. There aren't any "novels" here either. It's a genre about nothing with no games aimed at no one in particular but for the sole purpose of draining patreonpigs of money they are too stupid to have in the first place.
Like the WEG scene, but we don't even get to jack off.
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Based child abuser
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>pactbinder 100k word update
Nice!
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>>3921056
>t. Bobby B
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>>3920165
I sure am tempted to take the D&D campaign setting I mothballed and turn into one. The average quality of writing that gets praised is so low I'm pretty sure most channers could manage to make money if they just pandered to the other side.
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>>3920570
Wang's infinityslop has broken me. I can't even read new stuff without feeling the overpowering urge to browse through the code and map out a route that gives best possible stats and unlocks most stuff.
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>>3921109
>he doesn't have ~40 different saves
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>SoH will be 8 books instead of 7
Holy fuck what are you doing mong?
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>>3921456
Sounds like you're reading oWoD. Unfortunately that's been shelved and discontinued. Retcons and new developments abound so insead of Gehenna we just have gay generic messiness in v5 which is the only canon and the only license allotted to future projects.
>tl;dr
You think it's gay now but it gets so much gayer
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Nicky, wife beating update when?
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"Yes, very impressive. Ten out of ten spell. But, how about you don't hit me with it?" :nerd emoji:
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>>3922113
I stand by what I say. The game is mostly good but it has no plot, everything feels like a side quest.
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>>3922157
>it has no plot
Are you retarded or just an underaged? It is a survival post-apocalypse game. The plot is trying to survive together with your group. And Jim was very heavily inspired by Walking Dead comics in how he writes it, both in the original ZE and even more so in ZESH.
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>>3921076
Go for it, yeah it might turn out that way but hey you never know until you try. I'd honestly would love a DnD game where class matters for once though I know that's just not the RPG anymore
>>3921081
I feel like this is an anon problem in general or some right wing stuff, good taste, well read, decent ideas for story telling but too prideful to kowtow and too autistic to reel in the normie repellant. This is based though, but it's certainly difficult to work with
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>>3922365
I played and finisheddemons rootsrecently. on the cyoa side I'm just biding my time until something good like tea and scones comes out and going through my noncyoa backlog in the meantime. though i could check out sorcery i bought it a while ago and have been meaning to give it a fair shake.
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So is CoG still the best way to get in if I actually wanna put myself through writing one of these games?
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>>3922643
Yes. Create an account there and open your own thread, siphon as much of their playerbase as possible, avoid any heavy controversy if possible (genderlocked game and romance will be enough to get you canned, unless you force the players to play as a female/troon or the romances are only homo) and when you near the ending of your production, make a grandstanding post about villainy of CoG and translate your game in a different code, then self publish.
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>>3922643
Anon built an engine to write one but I'd go with CoG since they have a ~150,000 customer email list and a forum built around testing your WIP for you and spreading the hype. Let the fans make a discord if they want to, like Wang did, and avoid the social media side entirely.
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>>3922891
I think it has more to do with the fanbase having settled into the niche and being reluctant to engage with certain genres and newer projects. Certain authors and series are established; they carved out this niche, and now the fanbase is comfortable there. Not a criticism of those series and authors; they did what they were supposed to do. To many, CoG and HG, to a lesser extent, mean only certain types of story and approaches to choice games. The universe has expanded to its limit, if you will, and new lore is often not readily embraced.
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>>3922852
I enjoy both magic shit of the autistic kind and more like detective noir thrillers, both of which might require a lot of work if I want to include anything like politics or twists for a cyoa.
>>3922891
I've seen the code of the WoD games and a few others. I won't pretend to be a good programmer but it does seem like quite a lot of work. I'm sure I can try to figure it out though at some point.
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>>3923082
>I won't pretend to be a good programmer but it does seem like quite a lot of work. I'm sure I can try to figure it out though at some point.
Ignore that anon's point. ChoiceScript doesn't natively support a lot of wizardry, that's why Aura Clash was probably the most complicated game mechanics-wise there, which was accomplished mostly by overlapping multiple relatively simple options.
CoG and HG do not need to be complicated to be successful, and the engine was not designed for that purpose. Infinity has simple mechanics, for example, which work because of multiple branching and the fact that Wang remembers not to dumb the result down to you fail/you win.
I code-dived Gutshot and I would say it's a very solid while still simple design. Give it a look.
TL;DR
Instead of designing complicated solutions, avoid pitfalls that other authors land in and your game already looks well designed. Then, you just need good enough writing to support it.
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>>3923477
>he wasn't observant enough to realize the blind guy was bullshiting
also if you acted like the nicest most hospitable guy ever they should come back later feeling bad about robbing a genuinely good dude (iirc)
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>>3923489
Bad news anons, I'm not getting my revenge. I think I accidentally may have lied about my background, when the old man asked me what I do. Also in the book Rachel is described as having brown hair and in her picture she's a blond. Is this a bug or a different Rachel?
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>>3924400
The furry paradise and trying to make the country that sacrifices children for power completely justified in their actions and also valid for some gender inclusivity I don't remember really killed all the momentum that one had. It really feels like parts 1 and 2 are done by completely different writers and the first one wasn't even that good.
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I need cyoas where you argue with the voices in your head
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>>3924783
>trying to make the country that sacrifices children for power completely justified in their actions
It is less about doing it (I wouldn't have an issue with it as an idea if done correctly). The weird part is doing it in a game that is literally called CHOICE OF REBEL. If a country is justified and correct there is no need for rebellion, innit?
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>>3920570
Wonder if Silas somehow knew the guy you replaced. Seems clear he has it out for you for reasons other than just you are a nobody entering high society.
Also seems like you don't actually have any magical talent and you are just relying on your patron for that. Wonder if that'll come up.
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>>3924892
>Also seems like you don't actually have any magical talent and you are just relying on your patron for that. Wonder if that'll come up.
Well yeah you're nothing without the Patron but with it you're way more talented than the others.
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>>3924766
>trying to false flag
Awww sorry that no one wants to talk about your shit game anon :(
That aside, who’s your favorite romance in ZE:SH anyway? We should be talking about that one seeing as how it recently came out! Mine’s is Brody obviously :3
>>3924892
Doubtful, the guy you replaced was also a poorfag with a troubled family history, he would’ve hated that guy regardless
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>>3924892
Honestly, I suspect it's a red herring and he just thinks transplants are DEIs propped up by the academies or it's a cover for bring in unacknowledged bastards. But it might put him on the track to discovering (You)r real identity regardless.
Also, I'm really hoping there's more to the magic system, because everyone else being effectively locked one magic type and there really only being four total feels too shallow.
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>>3925411
>Romance in the regency period.
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>pon para 3
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I just can’t get myself to keep playing ZE. I don’t know if I’m getting older or what, but Datillo makes his characters so flat and his prose is just outright boring. The game worked for the first two installments, but now? It’s just a shitty management game
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>>3926109
It doesn't have to be centric. I was just thinking how there are usually scenes injected into IFs based around romance and wondered if there were any CYOAs where you aren't strictly getting less writing/content/development if you don't like any of the options.
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>>3926020
In ZESH there are some very good characters but there’s still the flat characters ready to give you their whole life story but not have any bit of personality like with ZE. I’m finding the plot, choice depth, and extra mechanics to it interesting to outweigh half the cast being meh at best, but Part Four has the most bullshit drama out of the games.
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>>3926738
Something short, sweet, and basic bitch.You are MAD SCIENTIST. You, along with your dorky assistant, have to design the Monster of the Week to take on one of the (randomly assigned at run start) Meddling Heroes!
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>>3926112
I can't think of any off the top of my head but if I where to write a story (which i do want to do eventually after i get my life in order) I'd want to include hanging out with the bros in lieu of romance content-partially because romance wouldn't be a major focus
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>>3926112
The only ones I can think of off the top of my head is Choice of Magics which lets you play wingman between the romance-able characters if you wanted to friendzone them, and Blood Moon gives you different scenes if you do friendship hangouts with characters as opposed to dates.
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>>3926755
I have absolutely no idea why it filters people so much. It fits perfectly for an artificially created lifeform like Step.
And personally, I also choose to read it as not fitting into the world, which fits with the themes of the FH well and is an entire philosophical concept. FH can literally be read as a slop version of Myth of Sisyphus, Notes from the Underground or The Stranger.
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>>3926819
I think the tone of derealization and disconnection is good but you can do that without prompting me with “I don’t feel connected to people… does that inspire me to want to crossdress and get turned out like a little sissy?: Yes, No, I wish Ortega was here” 3 separate times within 10 mins.
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>>3926824
Well, yea, that is why I said slop. It certainly could be done more gracefully. My point was that people overfocus on it too much, and ignore the genuinely good aspects of the book. All the more so because it is a rare kind of edge that the modern world is really lacking.
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>>3926823
It has the same issue most CYOAs now run into where it hinges the plot on the player purposefully leaning into making additional drama for themselves. If you decide to treat things rationally and not have a psychosexual link to your puppet then there goes half the game yet it will still prompt you about it over and over. It’s a world with a lot of potential and already built-in conflicts, yet I’m stuck dealing with the author’s gender issues. Another example of a story hinging on that is the Keeper of whatever and whatever series where the whole story hinge of turning into a maniac with a god complex is avoided by taking a couple of naps during each game when the MC’s inner monologue nudges you with “man I’m super sleep deprived and not thinking straight”.
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>>3926755
The CYOA genre is a monkey’s paw of getting the freedom of choice that every other RPG game lied about using, but that freedom is dependent on having the author’s fetish or idpol forcefed to you every other page
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>>3926931
just imagine them to be hot hags
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>>3926951
The author said this was good and lore accurate fanart of Ortega.
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>>3926951
This too
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https://us-killline.com/
Play this made-in-china American survival simulator or die trying
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>>3927628
it actually went scarlet hollow ->stp ->scarlet hollow again because they did it in an episodic format and didn't finish it and promised they would. StP is really good and i found scarlet hollow to be decent for a first project, the horror parts are the most interesting/best parts for me compared to the downtime with most of the characters who I was luke warm on, i like tabitha and find her relatable with her seeing her buisness as the only thing keeping the town afloat and having a constant tug of war with the workers and being stressed with all that, the last thing she needs is for her cousin to stir up more trouble. stella was decent, she's an instigator for the plot to happen-will probably die because she keeps playing chicken with the supernatural- her past friendship with tabitha sheds more light on who tabitha really was before she became constantly closed off. the rest i don't remember the names of. the dad librarian, the black chick and the lanky 6ft twink are all whatever, i knew the twink for a chapter and he was chill but then he turns into a murderous werewolf and our options are either put him down or let his mom keep drugging him and as a prisoner and probably a possible loaded gun if he goes berserk again so i had to put him down. lastly you can go out of your way to invite the nonbinary cafe dude on your adventures if you wanted to which I never did and i promptly forget about. One thing i can give it credit for is that if you pick the le wacky zaney tumblr humor options you will be treated as an irresponsible weirdo and if you pick the sane normal person options you will be treated like you actually have a functioning brain. at the best of times the skills are proto-voices, though they never have as much personality as the voices, still stuff like picking the streetwise skill gives you more cynical shifty narration is neat
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>>3927693
Why the FUCK would you remake an episodic series before actually finishing it? The playerbase that actually likes the series would eat the studio alive for that sort of bullshit when they just want the continuation.
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>Waiting patiently for Lunar ascendant to drop
>It gets delayed twice
>It finally releases
>Apparently it is a complete buggy mess with events misfiring, events ending before the scene is complete, decisions happening that never actually happened and occasionally the game just stops giving you options so you can no longer make any progress
It is a damn shame, this kind of game is my jam buy I am not going to buy it if the game is in a completely unplayable state.
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>>Brody's jaw tightens as he meets your gaze, but his shoulders slump, and the tension bleeds from his face as he speaks. "I get it, meeting strangers carries risks. But if we ever hope to build a real community, we need to start seeking out people who could gel with our group. Plus, he's got a kid with him. It can't be easy for them."
>when the twink you love and youf twin sister are both jaded realists but you are a hopechad
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Any sisters played this?
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>unironically posting hearts choice
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Are there any CYOA games you think are not recommended enough? They don’t have to be perfect games but ones that are better than most
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Silverworld
Pon Para (I feel like this one used to be popular but lost ground to Marquis’s other games)
Choice of Magics
Bootlegger
Stars Arisen
Werewolves series
Relics series (author having a blowup with CoG killed its hype, but it’s one of the best I’ve played)
Siege of Treboulain
Highway Wars
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here's a chink vn/cyoa that recently got a MTL translation
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1859910/Legend_of_Mortal/
https://github.com/joshfreitas1984/LegendOfMortalOverLlm
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Siege
>You are a newly elected king of a city state
>On your coronation day you are raided by a bandit army
>Have to balance restricting rights and policing your citizens, resources for chipping away at the bandits, and missions to get outside help
>Multiple ways to defeat the army which all feel realistic and earned
Highway Wars
>Mad Max sim but you have the option of going full traveling warrior setting things right, trying to become a warlord, etc.
>First half of the game is railroady, but the last half has probably the most variation in choice and ending selections I’ve ever seen in a CYOA
Silverworld
>Jules Verne-styled world where a science experiment goes awry and you get sent to a fantasy + sci-fi take on prehistoric times
>Weird but interesting romances like a bee woman and a lady robot that is split among 10 different bodies
>Great amount of choices throughout the game
>Gets very strange but good in a meta way near the end
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>Siege of Treboulain
It sucks, it's one of those "medieval games" where you play as a "king" who doesn't act like a king at fucking all, to the point you have to personally go do stuff like investigate a poisoning and do shit. Nobody treats you like a real king.
Also, they have this character whose whole thing is that he's an "gender fluid" avant-artist who treats the whole thing like fashion. And he's a central character with a whole ending, too.
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>>3928206
>It sucks, it's one of those "medieval games" where you play as a "king" who doesn't act like a king at fucking all, to the point you have to personally go do stuff like investigate a poisoning and do shit. Nobody treats you like a real king.
King that walks among the people is the oldest royal trope, it is a mark of a good and just king.
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>>3920139
>Enjoying Madison’s romance
>Get to culmination of romance in part 3
>Half of it is Madison going “btw you’re not going to be my first” and describing in detail how she lost her virginity to a Chad on a holiday trip
>Part 4 is you having to keep yourself from getting NTR’d by Kevin
I knew I should I have just gone with the upfront used goods of Jillian…
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>>3928255
Hungry Names was okay, and made retroactively worse by all the bugs Kyle introduced with implementing the DLC. I would recommend people who want the werewolf experience either just play Werewolves 1-3 or the two WoD werewolf VNs they’ve made which are mostly good
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>>3928257
>>Half of it is Madison going “btw you’re not going to be my first” and describing in detail how she lost her virginity to a Chad on a holiday trip
Literally never seen that in my Madison romance route, you’re going to have to provide screenshots
>>Part 4 is you having to keep yourself from getting NTR’d by Kevin
Anon? While Kevin is crushing hard on her, she has him in the friendzone, I recall her saying how she sees him as a little brother
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i do recall madison saying she wasn’t or hinting that she was want a virgin in the earlier chapters
but she definitely friendzones kevin, as early as chapter 3, my mc had high charisma though so maybe that was a factor
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>>3928285
I’m not replaying the game to get screenshots, but it’s during the sex scene (I don’t know if it depends on the location or not, but I took the apartment of the couple that Kevin’s dad says left the camp). There’s a whole page of dialogue where she describes going on a spring break trip to a beach and losing her virginity to a guy there.
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>>3928325
>From there you have the option to tell her how many people you have slept with and if you don’t say you’re a virgin she gets passive aggressive
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>>3928332
It does happen, I'm sorry to say you're the one misremembering.
From the Safe Haven chapter8.txt code
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*label MadisonInitiatesÍ
You do as she says and face the @{furnished bed|sleeping bag}. Hands creep across your back, rubbing the muscles, feeling between the valleys.
"You know I've only been with one
*if male
guy
*if female
girl
*if nb
person
before you. It's no one you know, so don't even ask." She digs her hands into your back, kneading it. "I was away last summer visiting family in San Diego. We got to know each other, and it just kind of happened."
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"We had some fun. It was loose and casual. No real feelings involved. People say you fall in love with your first, but that's crap.
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>>3928366
Consequences of these chuds watching porn 24/7, unfortunately. Why care or get mad if a fictional character loses their virginity to someone? You can have your MC cheat on your partner in the very same game, you could even cuck Brody by messing by around with Bailey. It just seems like a really silly thing to seethe over.
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>>3928363
If the fujoshit and Heart’s Choice slop could at least be accompanied by any worthwhile discussion I could stand it more. Instead they just post “anyone played this??” with a photo of the worst cover art you’ve ever seen.
>>3928364
The hack writer school of thought now is to make every character seem deep by having them describe a specific memory from their past over and over. This combines with the fetish they have for cuckoldry to make a deep romance story where every love interest gives you an itemized list of the dick they’ve taken.
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>>3928375
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Maybe you guys should stick to games like dao ascension and PoMA
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As I said in another thread, the author likes to fuck with his readers. Jillian was supposed to have Lyle's baby, until people complained and he changed his mind. Kelly gets kidnappedand fucked in every hole by the Silverthornesand then you have Kevin drama with Madison.
>>3928359
But also this lel
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>>3928379
Every rational person knows that there’s very little to be gained by diving into the dating/sexual history of your partner, yet every time without fail a new RPG with romance will come out and every love interest will open with a play-by-play of their first ever sexual encounter.
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>>3928384
Rogue Trader waifu selection was a solid upgrade. Argenta may not have been romancable but there was no better moment in modern gaming than when the black tomboy psyker was having a breakdown due to a demon's influence, Argenta asks me if I should take the shot I say yes, and she shooted the black chick instead of the demon.
I hurt myself laughing. That writing was like touching the divine.
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zaper has failed to deliver heist kino
now I must place my hope into the mysterious benefactor (haze) and fitzer in jolly 2 which WILL COME OUT
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S(he)’s white and irish you dorks
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>>3928254
Glad Night Road and Glenkildove are top recs.
>>3928203
They sound neat. Might pick up Siege and Silverworld next time a sale hits.
Silverworld is also Marque's, right?
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Only if you curse yourself with old age, unfortunately.
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Always Daeran but I'll forever pine for Tristian.
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>Ambiguous because like most CYOA writers with non-binary characters they barely describe appearance
I hate that shit so much.
>>3928405
My bf broke up with me a few weeks ago and I'm still trying to get over and cope. Prease understand.
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No:3
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>>3928509
Silverworld is a Kyle Marquis game yeah. He has a couple of other pre-Night Road/Pon Para games people forget about as well, but aside from Silverworld they're forgotten for a reason.
And agreed on the non-binary appearance writing, I just have to sigh whenever a nb character shows up in a CYOA because I know there's just going to be a writing void around them.
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>>3928438
>will never get to have alternating femdom and maledom sex with Fitzie as an extension of our bickering and fight for control
That son of a bitch MC from the first game is living it up and here I am suffering
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>>3928392
Tried the fishwife romance and bounced off of it, and no way in hell was I going for Jae or Yrliet. I ended up doing Heinrix's and self-inserting in his place as the socially malformed man dating a space captain and enjoyed it.
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>>3926755
>harrowing chapter on Sidestep's life on the Farm
>"it's time to go out and continue my plans. You use your puppet while your bruised body rests. Walking around town as a puppet makes you think how much easier life would be if you were another gender"
>what the fuck? no
>"okay, your choice is respected. As you walk into Mortum's lab, you wonder how much it costs for top surgery"
Repeat for 2 games, haven't touched the demo for the third since last thread someone said it was nothingburger just soaking up paypig donations but I don't have high hopes
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They go on sale pretty regularly. The initial ones I'd recommend to people both for quality and time investment are:
VtM Night Road
VtM Parliament of Knives
Jolly Good (both of them)
A Study in Steampunk
Tin Star
Pon Para (both)
Zombie Exodus Safe Haven
Infinity series
From there, you'll figure out what you like and don't like and can probably gauge it from there.
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>these amphetamines are finally allowing me to function and I have to rely on them to earn a living
>no this is not an indictment of my work ethic and it’s normal to take amphetamines every day like a Wermacht soldier
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Glenkildove is worth it, Book of Hungry Names is okay but it feels much more like a commission job by Marquis as it’s lacking in everything that made Night Road great.
Suzerain’s good but it has an Identity crisis of being a CYOA but the devs very much want it to be a lite Paradox strategy sim, so they’ve been making balance and story changes without warning every couple weeks for years now.
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The balanced approach is to use it only a certain amount of days of the week when you actually have to for life or work and make sure to have days of life + work where you don’t use your prescription, so that it isn’t a crutch. People using it to supplement for all their career work and to beat their shitty habits into submission will inevitably burn out when they develop a tolerance or set too high of expectations for themselves. Wang now has to manage multiple spinning plates of projects and the ones that have come out so far have been some of the weakest work he has ever done.
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>be the sheath to his blade toshie. you know what that means
>huh?
>what?
>do you want me to have sex with him? >what?
anyways hyuga is never getting finished i don't think its even halfway through the prophecy yet because the retarded MC decided to fuck off in the snow for a whole book because he lost his mojo or some shit
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I get this perspective but I sort of disagree on Hungry Names. It does feel more like an infinite budget commission job but having one singular goal for your pack (and having a pack at all) was honestly a great way to differentiate it from Night Road. Gifts are also so damn good, even if they kind of just do nothing you do feel them being cool and having unique descriptions. My main problem with it is it's basically a 30 hour read even if you're fast and the introduction portion before you get to the open missions is a lot worse.
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Funny timing. I started Book of Hungry Names like two months ago before travel and exams got in the way. I just finished it now after binging it over the weekend and I'm actually glad I waited. It's like it was written to pander to my exact tastes, constantly namedropping music and authors I love, both genuinely and tongue-in-cheek. I can't really give it a coherent review because I just love so much about it. The worldview and religious philosophy and everything. Pretentious, maybe, but my kind of pretentious.
The mindgames of the Answering Tiger were very fun, too. And it was fascinating how the Garou's thinking differs from humans'. Although that slowly wore off as the story dragged on. I agree with Anon that Gifts were great even if they feel like they have no impact (although the Hummingbird Prince was pretty nice to have), they add some very fun flavour.
It felt a bit odd to romance a primary school age dog, but the writing made it work. Mostly.
Other WoD CoG were well-written too, but this just hit the mark on my personal tastes. I think I'll continue the Evertree Saga next, the first two were pretty nice and I need something small and easy after this.
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It does feel insanely referential to Massachusetts/New York in a way that I can't fully relate to. Unlike Night Road, which took place in Tucson Arizona, I genuinely saw no references to anything over there. It's certainly a level of pretentious that you can only get from WoD games that engage in the more blatant metaphysical bullshit like Umbral Spirits and Mages. By the way, if you'll ever replay, Crow is one of the funniest and coolest gifts.
>Romancing Nin
I see what you mean by thinking she's 7, but in actuality she's more like 20-ish because she spent the first two years in dog years. And she's even less human than you, so age to her is kinda just a number. Something to consider there.I do like all the romance options, the dates are cool enough and the dialogue has nice reactivity even with the mystery gaysian, but the game really went on about the "Nazis" at every opportunity. It's kind of punk, I suppose, so it fits but it does get excessiveAlso it's fucking CRIMINAL that you can't dick down Giselle or Black Tarn. Giselle is built for rape correction
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>the game really went on about the "Nazis" at every opportunity
I did wonder why a werewolf would give 2 fucks about that. Allies invented the nuke which is causing this almost-apocalypse in the spirit world, why would they be more mad at the guys who wiped out half of all white people but also hate them for being white.
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Well, the thing about the Garou in W5 is that it's literally SO OVER that they can only pick fights to stay in control of the culture and landscape of their territory. And one of the characters is a jewish werewolfyes, they were real in W20 as well but the whole Gaia first thing kind of kept this in the backfoot. The other part is that the Get of Fenris had a crash out moment and became a group of religious zealots called the Cult of Fenris which frequently works with neonazis since all the Get were mostly that type of phenotype. Of course, the Get ever becoming Nazi-adjacent is bullshit to anyone that has actually read Werewolf before the travesty that was 5th edition came out, but Paradox decided to let people who hated Werewolf rewrite it. That's why instead of making the game about Gaia, weird furry breeding, insane battles of honor, and murdering corpos on an impressive scale, Book is instead about working a 9-5, punching nazis to move them away from your wholesome chungus diverse community and occasionally murdering evil corpos and bad spirits. Book is well written for the setting it takes place in, just like Night Road, but ultimately it's not the most well written setting when all the fascinating parts weren't sourced from W5.
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>>3929033I was fine with Nazis at first because I thought everyone is a young zoomer like the protagonist AND a weretard so anyone slightly authoritarian is a Nazi like you see on social media
When the actual Nazis showed up I wasstill fine with it because their connection to occult is well known so I understand why they were one of the antagonists
I was, of course, aware this is just author's barely veiled political views but I could give it an in-universe justification
The game constantly placing gays and trannies on some spiritual pedestal while never justifying it beyond
>well the cops hate them and the cops are evil
was far, FAR more aggravating. When one of your pack started going on about helping groom teenagers at the party I started wishing there was a Fenris routeAlso there was one throwaway line about a policeman dating an underage girl in the plague part that I guess was supposed to show how evil they are but just felt hypocritical since I was dating Nin myself already at that point
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>thought everyone was a zoomer
Correct, the oldest one is Elton at 26 and Black Tarn at 35. Fair on the rest, Kyle is quite leftist though I end up not minding it as much. I do remember the weird sexual implications of the police and some teenager, but I don't remember about grooming at a party. It does feel strangely leftist but I feel like it never goes too leftist on the main story, even when you fight essentially a bunch of white chuds over territory with your diverse POC cast (and Podge/you).
>Fenris route
Kyle would never, because then you'd have to be allowed to be evil and W5 explicitly turns you into a non-character sadly. It'd be extremely cool though, I kind of enjoyed the brief dog-headed guy you get to party up with for the raid on the Stolen Moon optionally. Then again, I don't think Book needed another 400k words to read over you becoming insanely angry.
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I actually really appreciated the constant references to real locations. I've never lived there and have no idea how accurate any of them are, but it gives me a more grounded feeling, like the characters care about the actual land they live on, and un my experience being active anywhere slowly clues you in on your town's secrets and stuff. A bit too much focus on urbanite environments, but the glimpses of bumpkin life were neat.
>spent the first two years in dog years
That makes it worse! Her dialogue ard behaviour make it pretty clear she's got a kid's experience being socialised as a human. And even then, not as a human human, so actually less. But hey, kudos to the author for finding an excuse that lets him write about dating children ard animals. I liked her fwiw, and it was funny that she started biting and licking when she got too turned on. Agree about Giselle, kept hoping for more until her anticlimactic exit. I'll definitely replay and try out Crow, but not any time soon.
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Fair enough, and yeah surprising how the author managed to incorporate those mannerisms there like that. It certainly felt kind of weird but not so uncomfortably weird as to be a turn off. Just the realities of what it would be like to date a literal wolf I guess. I saw her as more autism coded though, just my take
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Yeah, I can definitely see the autism in her speech and social skills, and you could argue that she gets very autistic about music. It's a developmental disorder, so it just blurs the lines even more for me. Still, I hope to see more of her, may look up fanfic. Maybe there's something good for Giselle, too. I liked her in Night Road(?) as well.
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>preordering a cyoa
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>>3928806
We're getting book 6 this very year.
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>>3930006
>and the saving grace of this entire game
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I wish this visual novel were more linear, the crux of the story is clearly on tabitha mc and the scarlets history I wonder if the game might already be finished if they didnt have to account for the 9 romances the insane variables and such. She's probably got the most screentime but she really should have more
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>actually discussing not only something that's explicitly not a cyoa but a genuinely hideous looking terrible "game" that's being trickled in piecemeal over a decade
The absolute state of this thread
May the trannoid shilling that garbage literally everywhere Slay the Princess comes up in discussion even once get cancer and die.
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>preordering a game
You should leave, normalfag. I dont preorder anything, even if I am interested in it. It is a shitty corpo tactic and it only works because you are retarded. Once the game, book, plushie is actually out, I will buy it.
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>>3920139
>want to play western IF
>think Choice Games' constant focus on they/thems is weird
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>>3930666
Yeah, NR had better game mechanics but no likeable characters, so I liked Parliament of Knives better myself.
>that chick who's a fellow childe from the same sire is pretty nice
>bonus points for playing as a Malkavian and having an imaginary friend
I wanna say PoK had a better overarching plot too but its been years since I played either so I'm not too confident on that claim.
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I still think NR is the best WoD game they put out but I think PoK is in a strong 2nd place, and yes Malkavian superiority.
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>literal corpo psyop to push the agenda that heroes should be a celebrities and tool of control for government
I will not play your game, it is utterly reprehensible and the author should be shot
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>>literal corpo psyop to push the agenda that heroes should be a celebrities and tool of control for government
>corpo psyop
>then talks about government control
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about out
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the entire premise of the game is the protagonist going from a vigilante to working as a desk jockey for corporate sups. the blonde chick is a walking mouthpiece for corporate and things happen because corporate dictates it and nobody ever challenges this. they fixed his mecha and fucking gave it back and didn't steal it and fuck him over like an actual corporation would
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You work at a superhero corporation that only answers calls to people who subscribe to their service, has several branches with one being explicitly stated to be composed of strictly better heroes than yours (could be that the area is more dangerous, but also could be that it just has richer clients) and heroes are scored and arbitrarily fired when failing to meet their quota (or if the actual bottom of the leaderboard is favored by management so she's unfireable)
It very much is
>heroes as celebrities and tool of control for goverment
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its a flashy and disposable kind of fun. if you take a minute to think about it though it falls apart. what kind of criminal rehabilitation programme kicks people out- especially when that leds them right back to supervilliany.
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>>3931464
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>>3931933
A mix of all these to be quite honest, it depends on the title.
I'm just very glad we got a real way to experience stories in a real interactive way. Crazy how that way of storytelling was so limited for so long.
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>>3931933
Power fantasy and romance, other are nice. Hate figuring out perfect ending, all routes should be equal. I don't want to trial and error whatever the author considers the correct options, just write a regular book at that point
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>>3931933
>>Good story
Well obviously
>>Power fantasy
Not necessary, but nice to have. At least don't make the MC a pathetic faggot.
>>Figuring out how to get the perfect ending
This is nice and more games should have it.
>but muh good and bad choices
Don't care, if I made the perfect choices all the time I should be the emperor of the world
>>Fun and unique povs
I don't care about povs since I'm a guy that mostly self inserts into the MC
>>Romance
I don't care too much about them, they're nice to have though.
>>Other
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>>3931933
I don't really look for anything, I'll try whatever is recommended to me. But of the options listed, I appreciate fun POVs the most, it's fascinating to learn how others see the world and justify their own actions, and fiction lets you go wild with it.
A good story by itself makes me feel like it should have been a book. Power fantasies are mostly bland since my desires differ from those of the author. Figuring out the perfect ending can be great in puzzle/mystery type IF. Romance is nice to have but not vital, and very hit-or-miss. For the Other category, I would like to feel like my choices matter. Cliché maybe, but that's the point of the genre IMHO and a hurdle many authors fail to clear.
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>Fun and unique povs
This should only be done in a cyoa if the POV character is reacting to the player or his actions, otherwise leave that trash out I've never seen one done in a non-boring way. Seems like a lot of authors use these just to pad out the word count with a bunch of pages where they don't have write choices.
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>pad out the word count
Huh. I was thinking of the player's POV being fun and unique. It didn't occur to me that choiceless filler from other character's POV would count. Those are less fun, although I do appreciate interludes where I can control other characters for a bit.
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I like character interactions and being able to roleplay as a pretty flawed self sacrificing dude-some of the most fun I've had is with my dragoon that has every fiber of his being telling him to get the fuck out of dodge but still always ending up leading the charge because somebody had to step up and get these retards back home safely/the reward was just too good and he hates himself for trading the lives of his men for it/got too curious about what the glowies where doing and got implicated in the worst night of his life trying to capture the queen/princess alive and not dead like kat and the dude i'm forgetting the name of are way too eager for. by the time of lord's he couldn't give two shits about the crown and wulframs bullshit and stays in the capital just so he can spend time with the few people he's actually befriended, namely welles and a very bored flamboyant elf. joined the military reform independently because he knew just how much of a mess the tierran military is and he doesn't want a repeat of antar (also he could make a hefty sum by shilling the new guns he invested in). half the time he's an opportunist and the other half the time he hates himself for being an opportunist and some other deep-seated issues that are probably better to never get into and just let them stew. cunaris was the one person he actually wanted to throw his lot in with because of their shared history, he was on good terms with cazarosta but that was more out of self preservation and understanding how caz works/thinks than actually liking caz as a person. he did not have fun on the "burn down villages to flush out antari remnants" expedition.
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>>3932405
Night Road is good if you can't get past Kyle's annoying characters and leftist tendencies. Feels very much like an exploration of vampire grunt work, complete withworking EXTRA hard to raise your generation twice only for it not to matter in the slightest
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Good characters, an actual meaningful stat spread that isn’t just “50% Nice 50% Mean” and “50% Bold 50% Shy”, and where there are differences in scenes if you are heavily leaning into one stat over others, and not having the game designed around minmaxxing with no failures or missteps. The last one, especially when it’s coupled with a game having one single perfect ending is the worst sin a CYOA can commit to me, since it leads to playing the game more like a step by step walkthrough than an actual experience.
>Romance
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Wayhaven set the “romance must be the overall focus of the game” standard, while Fallen Hero set “MC must be a headcase that the game revolves around fixing or making worse”. Every CYOA now feels like it has to do either or both of these and that kills every single one.
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No plot advancement happens as in literally no events outside of what was in the demo happen for any of the established conflicts, it’s very short, all you do is go around on trips to a couple of places to scavenge, and even more characters are introduced to add to the bloat. The ending was so abrupt that I thought my game broke as well. Jim Datilo has basically been on a week-long apology tour to every space saying he’ll do emergency updates.
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I think its just that most of the games I've played have been part of a series and I choose only to recommend single games that wasn't part of a series (ala Keeper, Wayhaven, Fallen Hero, Infinity, etc.). This was my 2023 rating. If Heart's Choice games were included I'd probably set Belle-de-Nuit in C tier
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>>3933055
Fujoshit-tier list except for recognizing Werewolves as pretty good. I’m surprised anyone still plays Choice of the Vampire, it’s got some decent moments but it being the pet project of a guy busy running everything else with CoG means it will never get finished or the effort it needs.
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Salubri and Tzimisce!
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I think it's just his actual politics. Iirc he was calling all the players of a certain tribe (Fenris? I'm not into Werewolf) he's met actual fascists. Even if I'm remembering totally wrong (possible) the brief look I've had of his social media makes me think the same thing.
Personally I just accept that all WoD products will contain some leftoid dude yammering at you about his politics like you're a girl he's cornered at a party.
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>>3933050
Based Roy-poster
I wish we had a cyoa that captured the same vibes of the GBA era FE games.
>>3933055
What made you put Fernweh and The Play's the Thing so far down?
What's the tl;dr on the game to the left of Noblesse Oblige?
>>3933080
Care to give a review for A Crown of Sorcery and Steel?
>>3933178
Chances of it have a qt Tremeretwink?
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I wish
>>3933189
>Tremere the best clan
Based and pyramid pilled
>>3933238
Yeah I agree. It wasn't as overt in Pon Para but there was definitely some idpol stuff in there.
He just knows not to ram that shit down your throat constantly.
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>>3933275
>Care to give a review for A Crown of Sorcery and Steel?
having a traditional evil overlord story but you can sell out the heros to said overlord should have been way more interesting than it actually was. it was way too easy to have all the characters like me and barerly be suspicious of how we kept convinently messing up on our journey. they where also nothing to write home about character wise.
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I grund Fenweh to just be a Wayhaven copy but without the connection to the town/ros. Idk just really forgettable to me.
Its the Choice of Vampire games. Pretty much CoGs WoD games before they landed the official partnership with Paradox.
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>For a long time, I really did believe that my inability to focus on almost any task was a normal thing which everyone dealt with
It is, hence 50% of the college population procrastinating until the last minute.
>and that this was really all just a lack of discipline on my part.
It is.
He's doing micrometh and using the fact that it works as proof that he needs it. Babies first upper. That being said, more authors should be doing it. Performance enhancing drugs are good, drugs are only bad because of the negative effects. If they have overall positive effects you're supposed to do them, hence coffee for desk workers, ibuprofen for blue collar, and steroids for performance actors.
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>>3932857
Yeah and something like Infamous feels extremely long because there's virtually no real choices. (To the point where the one choice you do get to make in chapter 4 is bugged and you get to see dialogue that you'd get from the opposite choice...)
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>>3933394
nothing you said was wrong but it's still a bad idea. if he lacks enough discipline to do without drugs, he'll lack enough discipline to use them responsibly, especially once tolerance kicks in to a noticeable degree.
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>>3933435
>if he lacks enough discipline to do without drugs, he'll lack enough discipline to use them responsibly,
Fair point. I'd weep for this if he wrote a good vampire game, but the hobo simulator wasn't even a good enough premise to pirate and I'm not interested in non-fantasy-history in IF form. Wasted potential.
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>Pon Para
It's really not *that* good. I mean it's good, but it's not very good.
I remember how basically every single romance scene was just
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>[insert slight shred of romance]
>oops just as we were about to do something a thing happened and we need to cut it short, ok let's go
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>>3933510
Never happened to me. But
>care to explain why an Eldritch Horror would fuck a twink over another Eldritch Horror?
Pretty obvious to anyone who's actually played the game. Do you speedread all the games you "play", fujo-san, or do you just rely on the thread for your summaries?
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>>3933517
Like I said, genuine skill issue. I didn't even know it was possible for her to cheat on you unless you either break up with her or explicitly tell her to go for it which is to set up the poly route, neither of which is really cheating.
>the twink
What's your obsession with twinks, anyway?
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Funniest thing is she's not even as much of a ho as she makes out, she's just very flirty and tsundereshe actually gets more relationship points from teasing her back than straight-up propositioning her for sex when you have the opportunity
>and isn't Horizon gender selectable anyway
Yeah, you can even set them both at the start of the game. The poly route is pretty good as far as these games go but I prefer the Roach solo romance, the epilogue is way cuter.
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>try romancing the cult leader while posing as the eldritch god/something-or-other she worships
>mfw get rejected and be given a lecture on power imbalances instead
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>a lecture on power imbalances instead
A classic case of "look what they do, not what they say", power imbalances are good. No woman wants a man less powerful than her. Romance slop smut is always either about fucking a CEO or dumping the CEO for the rich tall strong man who has more free time than the CEO or anyone really (Hallmark) while still having a large estate like owning his own hunting lands. Women want power imbalances, anyone thinking otherwise is failing a shittest.
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So it's alive huh?
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>Choose Your Own Adventure
>choices meme
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>>3934229
It sounds stupid but I get what he means. A 200k book can either feel extremely long or extremely short depending on how many real choices you put in. And a lot of people don't even replay these to see different outcomes so a bunch of fake choices that just change a blurb or some text while keeping the story on rails isn't really that horrible of an idea (in fact it's pretty common).
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>>3934236
It's just my assumption, I find it hard to imagine having 1 million words and only having that much actual content even with the variation. It's not like the overall storyline is hugely different between playthroughs or anything.
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>>3934231
I fucking hate how railroaded and filled with fake choices most cog releases are desu. Fernway is the examplar of it where you have 8 different responses that are just different fucking flavors of saying the exact same thing
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>>3934238
I really want to know what kind of spagetthi code he has, if it inncreases word count that much. It really shouldn't be that high, considering the average mainline game has 30000 words and you generally can still get 25 - 50k words on a playthrough.
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>>3934263
*300000
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>try Abyssal Song
>"YOU PLAY AS A ***DEMON*** ORACLE!!!!"
>guess the premise is interesting, try it
>it's just dicking around a castle while moping around about various shit and dealing with your emotions
Reminds me of Crown of Exile, I really shouldn't even give Itch.io slop a chance anymore......
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>>3920139
Man, what a letdown this was. The other parts ended with major plot events playing out, but this one is done right as things get interesting. Aside from forging alliances with other groups everything you did in part 4 felt like filler content.
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>>3934760
>4 years of waiting for this
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>>3934942
It doesn't even have any meaningful choices, and the moral will drop no matter what because you will never have enough supplies to satisfy everyones needs, you cant bring enough supplies even if you have 9 people on scavanging because apparently everyone is elderly and cant carry backpacks and you dont get enough opportunities to scavange by your own, plus even if you have 12 defence on junkyard you can still lose people when attacked. Jim simply fucked up collossaly.
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>part 4 increased the total word count by 1 million
>40% of it is just bombarding every minor character you encounter with a dozen questions
even the easy to miss janitor at the university that does literally nothing has a shit ton of useless dialogue
>>3935013
>Safe Haven was railroaded trash from the outset I don’t know why anybody expected anything else
despite my complaints, ZESH still handles choices hell of lot better than 95% of what's out there.
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>>3935086
Dragon Racer
Siege of Treboulain
Crème de la Crème
A Kiss from Death
Mecha Ace
Magikiras
Slammed!
All World: Pro Wrestling
The Vampire House
WoD games save for sins of sire and out for blood
Evertree saga
Werewolves Series
ALL of Zaper’s games
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>>3935197
She's a wolf pretending to be human, so it's zoophilia. Much more acceptable than lolis
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>>3935869
>missed out all the romance scenes because I picked the loredump options in conversations every time
Why do I have to choose between having sex and asking about how it feels to be a wolf?
Oh well, maybe on the replay next year
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