>>3925314
Kingmaker is doo doo with some fun characters like harrim
Wrath of the Righteous is cool with really annoying characters

>>3925315
Act 4 is cool, suuurrree

>>3925314
the games are buffslop. utter garbage.

The series sucks:
-Bloated mess of classes that are barely different from each other.
-Trash encounter upon trash encounter.
-The non combat systems are pure boredom.
-The games are practically a buffing simulator
-Story is very boring and the writing is terrible

>>3925321
Can buffe be redeemed? Pillars have them be active for like 10 seconds, barely worth casting. Maybe combine with one or two bad effects?

>>3925322
>-Bloated mess of classes that are barely different from each other
Finally some anon understands this.
>unfair difficult spikes, like that skinned giant
>story and pacing are all over the place
>woke
>nothing is fun past act 3

>>3925321

You don´t need the buffs on normal unless your builds are shit or you are fighting one of those playful shadow things.

>>3925314

They are pre occupied at the moment making a Expanse game which, at this point, could be their big break into the mainstream or become a Mass Effect clone and go unnoticed.

Money says that if that goes well they´ll just leave fantasy to Larian and focus on becoming the high budget sci fi RPG brand now that both Bioware and Bethesda have folded. While i don´t think Owlcat is inferior to Larian in any way the truth is BG3 made Larian insanely popular so competing with them right now seems ill advised. Furthermore it seems the new Fable game will take over Dragon Age market share so things may be too crowded right now.

>>3925366
>They are pre occupied at the moment making a Expanse game which, at this point, could be their big break into the mainstream
No one's going to play it except Expanse fans, and are there really that many Expanse fans?

>>3925314
>So, when will Owlcat deliver a third game?
If they do it'll be 2nd edition because of the OGL fallout
which is good because it is the superior system

>>3925366
>sci fi RPG
They are woke slavskis, they will use expanse as stepping stone to bigger brands, rings of time and whatnot. You don't have any business knowledge, fantasising about owlcucks dreaming of sci fi, lol. They will do the same things they did up to date, grasp for the next bigger thing they can themselves prostitute to.
>anon thinks owlcucks have a strategy, kek'd

>>3925378
Rogue Trader isn't woke, I suspect the wokeshit in the Pathfinder games was pushed by Paizo.

>>3925407
I agree with this a lot. That being said WOTR has one of my favorite zones (Alushinyrra) I ever experienced in a CRPG.

>>3925423
Funny, I hated it so much. My second playthrough I dropped the game there because I couldn’t bear to do it again

>>3925322
>>3925332
You don't get it. The entire point is to put together a character by dipping into class levels to get the good shit you want out of them. This doesn't really appeal to most people because it requires vast familiarity with the ruleset and classes.

>>3925439
>The entire point is to put together a character by dipping into class levels to get the good shit you want out of them.
Scrub take, single-classing full casters is almost always better.

>>3925405
Paizo said no. Might be they did, idk.
>rt ain't woke
Huh! Shame I dislike warhammer

>>3925439
I doubt that's the goal in the tt. The fights there are easy af. Pc pf1e has bloated enemy stats.

>>3925439
>The entire point is to put together a character by dipping into class levels to get the good shit you want out of them.
Dips are for faggots. Pure class or GTFO.

>>3925510
Depends, magus is fucking gay. Fighter/wizard is classic.

>>3925862
Magus are one of the best classes in the game, especially Sword Saint and Arcane Rider

Not super familiar with the Pathfinder setting, but both games felt like a chore to play and weren't very interesting, so I didn't get very far.

Their Rogue Trader game though was actively awful and really showed that they had no clue about the RT pen&paper game and know little about Warhammer.

>>3925366
>competing with Larian

Nigger, they release one game every 4-5 years. It's not some saturated market.

>>3925314
Only with Aeon and Demon do you actually feel, throughout their entire storylines, that you are actually changing into a different entity. Unfortunately with Demon you have to keep it mostly hidden until Act 4, so Aeon is the only path in the game that serves its intended narrative function.

>>3925864
A strong class does not equal a straight man's choice, faggot.

>>3925862
>magus is fucking gay

lmao

>>3925949
>>3925862
Is Magus the only class where literally everyone plays one of the archetypes, but never vanilla?

>>3926706
I like level 20 vanilla paladin.

>>3925314
It suffers the same issue that Pillars of Eternity does. Dead, boring maps. Either the maps are tiny with nothing on them, meant for a single encounter, or have a tiny cave with an encounter inside; both of which are often recycled with small variations.
Larger maps are few.
Cities/human-garbage hubs are a mess, as such things always are.
NPCs yap way too fucking much and overshare and assume you give the slightest of shit.
Companions are repugnant, and the only saving grace of the game is that you have the option to throw them out entirely and hire your own companions that are silent, won't yap during exploration about fucking annoying irrelevant shit with obnoxious turboestrogen voice acting

why is sneak attack so broken in this game, I'm getting wrecked

>>3926915
>the only saving grace of the game is that you have the option to throw them out entirely and hire your own companions that are silent
Many such cases

>>3925314
>So, when will Owlcat deliver a third game?
They already said they cut ties with Paizo, so never. They've been working on WH40k games. Finished Rogue Trader and are now onto Dark Heresy.

>>3925883
>Their Rogue Trader game though was actively awful
I disagree in every regard; I felt it was the best of their work so far. No stage felt boring and I played it through in one smooth playthrough.

>>3927866
>They already said they cut ties with Paizo
That's what they actually said? With seemingly that level of finality?
I'd love to see them make a warhammer fantasy game.

>>3925314
Owlcat cannot make a third Pathfinder game until the company that owns the IP licenses them to do so. Which is unlikely to happen now that they're trying to make 2nd edition into their flagship... which it is utterly failing to be, because it's a shitty system.
Why won't Paizo and their IP-management company license 1st edition? Because Hasbro/WotC is leaning on the OGL which is what covers 1st edition.
So. What would need to happen? Hasbro / WotC would have to relax on the OGL (they never will, becuase this is a key legal channel by which to attack their only competitor in the tabletop RPG space). Then Paizo would have to relent on their attempt to make 2nd edition Pathfinder into their flagship (they never will, because PF1e is controlled by the OGL, and it would be fucking stupid to make themselves vulnerable to legal attack removing their flagship from their control). And then Owlcat would need to be open to and willing and ready to make a game by licensing it before Hasbro threatens the OGL again (they never will, because it'd be stupid to invest millions of dollars to make a game on a license that could be yanked at any moment).
A third PF1e Owlcat game will never be made. Ever. Fucking EVER.

Don't be angry with Owlcat or Paizo about it. It's entirely Hasbro and WotC being complete shitdicks over it. If you give WotC or Hasbro even a penny, you're worse than any nazi pedophile. Objectively.

>>3925321
Appending "-slop" to whatever doesn't make you sound authoritative. It just makes you sound like a retarded child with a limited vocabulary. Which is ok in this case I guess because that's exactly what you are, but you need to be quiet. Adults are talking.
>>3925325
There isn't anything that needs to be redeemed. The design failures of Pillars are irrelevant here. This is a different game, you know.
>>3925366
>You don´t need the buffs on normal unless your builds are shit or you are fighting one of those playful shadow things.
You don't need buffs on most harder difficulty settings, either, for that reason. It's PF1e. Buffs exist so that inexperienced players can make up for not knowing much about the system through raw numbers. For experienced players, buffs are irrelevant. And that's ok. It's a mark of good game design that the game can allow noobies to engage with it.

>>3925444
Wrong. You can solo the game as a martial. You can't as a full caster. Martials are doing 8k damage per round by level 10. Casters can't even approach that, not even by adding up all the damage an AoE nuke does to all affected targets. Casters don't scale well enough. They just don't. And that's even if you play on a difficulty setting low enough that allows casters to reliably land spells. They're hard capped by their caster levels. Martials are only capped by action economy since weapon damage scaling is on a baseline that far outpaces enemy hit points on a per-hit basis.
You can one-round the dragon in Act 3 with a fucking cavalier, one of the worst, weakest classes in the game. By contrast, it's literally impossible for her to fail any saves on any caster no matter how optimized, and her SR is unbeatable, too. You mathematically cannot land any spells on her if they allow SR or a save (unless she crit fails the saves, but she's blanket immune to most of them due to features anyway, if you check her statblock with a high enough knowledge).

>>3925405
The Pathfinder games doesn't even have anything woke, what are you even talking about?? Are you mad that Ekun, Seelah and Sosiel are black? Is that the whole thing? That's what you're on about? Three black characters in a cast of hundreds means it's woke??

>>3928119
>Become Baron
>return to your capital
>mandatory meeting with the interracial faggot couple and their "adopted" daughter
>"We cant wait to live in your hecking diverse barony m'lady!"

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>>3928119
All the good-aligned gods of the setting are lesbians.

>>3928114
Most reddit niggerlover post award.

>The Loving Place is a cleft in Aucturn where a cloud of strange narcotic gas roils out and spreads for several hundred miles. Creatures that inhale this gas are compelled to capture any intruders, bring them to the Loving Place, and mate with them (regardless of size and species), while carefully ensuring that they do not die. As the prisoners inhale the vapours, they quickly convert to the mindset, and send their squamous children to hunt for their own mates.
James L. Sutter. “Chapter 1: The Solar System” in Distant Worlds, 49. Paizo Inc., 2012

>>3928112
2nd edition is more popular than 1st edition ever was

>>3927835
Get uncanny dodge. Or just don't get hit in the first place I guess.

>>3928124
And they all want Cayden Cailean's cock. He literally fucked the gayness out of them. Can't get more based than that.

>>3928207
MICKED

>>3926915
>NPCs yap way too fucking much and overshare and assume you give the slightest of shit.
This plus the game having like a billion in-engine scenes of some NPC walking up to your character at a glacial pace and gesturing gets absolutely infuriating after a few hours. The same thing happens, but even more in Rogue Trader.

>>3928147
That's simply not true though. It's ok if you like it more, but it isn't true that it's more popular.

>>3928124
>>3928207
That's called bisexuality. They aren't lesbians. The gods of Golarion are just ambivalent about sexuality and gender because they're transcendent beings beyond the bounds, concerns and connotations of matter, including flesh and mortal cultures. They're abstract concepts more than personalities, in the grand scheme of things.
More to the point though, "woke is when gays exist" is such a fucking stupid take. Why isn't woke when you have to eat lunch to maintain your biological processes? Metabolism is also a normal feature of biological evolution, so why are you picking and choosing? Are you not based enough to not need to eat, anons?

>>3928121
Is it mandatory since I never saw anything like that in my game? Did you make choices that made the scene happen, anon? You did, didn't you. You did.

>>3928600
>More to the point though, "woke is when gays exist" is such a fucking stupid take. Why isn't woke when you have to eat lunch to maintain your biological processes?
This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read this year.

>>3928604
So you agree that there is no reason to get your panties in a sopping wet twisted knot on the floor over normal variation in biological species. Glad we got that figured out. Now, did you have an actual complaint about the game? Or are you still trying to process the culture war propaganda bullshit you're sucking from Putin's rotting penis?

>>3928606
>Or are you still trying to process the culture war propaganda bullshit you're sucking from Putin's rotting penis?
Damn. Now I can't tell if it was the stupidest thing anymore.

>>3928600
>they're transcendent beings beyond the bounds, concerns and connotations of matter, including flesh and mortal cultures.
But they still fuck like humans.

>>3928606
Having a single dyke, fag or bi god is one thing, having most of your pantheon be like that is indeed woke

>>3927873
No, they never said that, he's making shit up as always. They did say that they weren't making a Pathfinder game any time soon though

>>3928147
>2nd edition is more popular than 1st edition ever was
A significant portion of the Pathfinder player base were DnD players upset about post-3rd edition DnD and wanted to go back to something similar to 3rd edition, and were willing to tolerate Pathfinders goofy homebrew setting to get that.
I’d imagine the number of people who actually want Pathfinder for Pathfinders sake and would be willing to switch to an entirely new ruleset to keep playing Pathfinder is quite a bit smaller.

>>3928147
>>3928704
You must have missed the backlash to the OGL situation. Pathfinder sold out 8 months of stock in 2 weeks after that happened and continued to reap the benefits of WotC's mistake.

>>3928717
I remember reading that people were mad. Do you have any numbers to back up your claim? I cannot find any more recent than 2024, after a brief search (original Pathfinder was roughly 2-3x as popular then. Both were mogged by DnD 5th edition but such is life). I'm not necessarily buying it, because tabletop games in particular are relatively resistant to "you MUST consoom NEW PRODUCT by BRAND". If you're a grognard you can just keep playing the old shit. Doubly so if BRAND does some dumb shit that pisses you off and makes you want to stay away from NEW PRODUCT out of spite.

>>3928721
>tabletop games in particular are relatively resistant to "you MUST consoom NEW PRODUCT by BRAND"
That's Paizo's entire business model, they release adventures and books so frequently because they have a large group of players that buy everything they release. This has been their model since 1e.
Have you been away from tabletop for a while? D&D is like a lifestyle brand more than a game these days. Grognards don't matter when you have the gigantic horde of new players 5e has ushered in. And here's an article about Paizo and Chaosium benefiting from D&D stepping on a rake https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/news/pathfinder-call-of-cthulhu-rpgs-sell-out-dnd-ogl-backlash

>>3928728
>Have you been away from tabletop for a while? D&D is like a lifestyle brand more than a game these days.
Yes. I played 2nd ed, 3rd ed, and 5th ed DnD. Didn’t care for 5th ed and stopped playing. No experience with Pathfinder outside of the Owlcat cRPGs.

>get an urge to play some Pathfinder
>fire up Treasure of the Midnight Isles to get it out of my system
>after about fifteen minutes the screens shut down and will not start up again until I reboot my computer from the power button
>this happens every time
I guess I'm gonna finally have to do something about the broken GPU fan huh

>>3925314
I'm about 50 hours into kingmaker now and in the 4th act (with the barbarians and undead cyclops) and slowly but surely my initial enthusiasm has been whittled down. Everything about the games appears to be designed for maximum frustration.

The overtuning of enemies requires never ending prebuffing, the game is absolutely filled to the brim with trash mobs and traps. I swear to God some of the dungeons have a fucking trap every 10 feet and another filler combat encounter every 20 feet. When you do get to a boss fight it always starts off with some ridiculous mechanic that stackwipes you in 3 turns requiring you to reload and prebuff based on whatever counter is required. Metagaming, how exciting.

The kingdom management requires companions that are easy to miss, killable and dismissable if they don't jive with your playstyle. Couple that with the fact it requires frequent time investments while always being on the clock with a timed main quest. I also don't like the companions. Oh woe is Valerie, it's sooooo hard being pretty. Harrim is en emo faggot, just fucking kill yourself already. Linzi is le heckin epic adventurer, Octavia is a filthy orc fucker and the orc is a savage animal, the gnome is an arrogant prick which I guess is the point so that gets a pass, Tristin is just a fag in the way elves typically are but at least Amiri is straight forward. Rip and tear, I can get with that and at least she isn't insufferable. I do enjoy the overall story though but I won't suffer through the rest just for that.

I hate that I started out loving the game and slowly turned against it. Such a shame. The game is truly worse than the sum of its parts.

>>3928731
You should know that Owlcat made those two games based on two popular "Adventure Paths" which are complete campaigns / stories developed and published by Paizo. Paizo has made many more than just those two. And the mechanical rules are publicly available at "source reference document" sites around the internet. The d20pfsrd does not have a license agreement with Paizo so they cannot show things that are specific to Paizo's proprietary setting / world (Golarion), but the mechanics of the game are covered by the OGL so no license needed for that. And they just give generic names to things like "the goddess of the sun". Archives Of Nethys does have a license agreement, so they can show Golarion-specific things like the names of the setting's gods, for example.
So you can literally just play Pathfinder at the tabletop without any buying anything at all. Roll20 is free to use. Discord is free to use. You can just... play the game if you want to. There's lots of people running PF1e because they prefer it over other systems. Go to /tg/ here on 4chan.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/

>>3928721
>tabletop games in particular are relatively resistant to "you MUST consoom NEW PRODUCT by BRAND". If you're a grognard you can just keep playing the old shit. Doubly so if BRAND
... That is just SO fucking not true, anon. Hasbro / WotC is even more aggressive about pushing their products and brands than fucking Apple. I'm so torn between shock and horror that I feel physically ill at how ignorant you are.
>and makes you want to stay away from NEW PRODUCT out of spite.
That's the correct thing to do. Do not fucking give them money. WotC is the worst abomination capitalism has ever produced.
You can eyepatch-and-peg-leg GURPS, too, for example. Here, take this:
https://gurpscharactersheet.com/
and search /tg/ for links to the yo-ho-ho community repository of all SJG's GURPS books. SJG himself is a fucking shitbag, but he didn't have that much to do with the system as it currently exists and it's better than any of the d20 systems. Just don't give any of them money. You don't have to. There's no reason to.

>>3928704
I use Pathfinder exclusively for sword-and-sorcery because it's just the best system for that genre. It's not because I fucking hate D&D (which I definitely do). Except for GURPS, there just aren't any better systems that do crunchy dungeon crawling better.

>>3925314
I start to play pathfinder kingmaker a couple of weeks ago and I really like it

>>3928600
>So you agree that there is no reason to get your panties in a sopping wet twisted knot on the floor over normal variation in biological species.
quite literally jewish lies.

>>3928600
>That's called bisexuality. They aren't lesbians. The gods of Golarion are just ambivalent about sexuality and gender because they're transcendent beings beyond the bounds, concerns and connotations of matter, including flesh and mortal cultures.
>doesn't know about theogony and eros
Wew lad, stopped reading right then and there.

>>3932173
>I'm so torn between shock and horror that I feel physically ill at how ignorant you are.
Setting aside that I said I dropped tabletop years ago and am out of the loop, this is something of an absurd overreaction, no?
My point was, tabletop is an analog and offline medium. If you liked 2nd or 3rd ed DnD and you think 5th is trash, you still have all your books, right? What’s to stop you from playing the old versions? It’s not like an online video game where they stopped supporting private servers and can then shut down the matchmaking at will to compel you to move on to the new version. It’s just books and dice and paper. If you want to keep playing the old game there’s nothing stopping you.

>>3932192
>this is something of an absurd overreaction, no?
Mnnnnnot really, no. It's like if your mom asked who's Darth Vader and why is she important. Your jaw would drop because it's not some kind of special secret nerd knowledge. You can't have lived on Earth at any point in the last sixty years without knowing at least that Darth Vader is a man and he's a primary character of Star Wars. The WotC vs. Paizo OGL drama made front page news on literally every news platform that I'm aware of because it was an absolutely world-shaping legal situation. It's like if Trump simply declared that Americans no longer have private property. Or like if China invaded New York. There just isn't any reasonable explanation for how you could have not heard about it happening because the consequences of the outcome would change the world immediately.
Just to remind you, copyright law is a central foundation of the entire fucking world's economics and political structure.

>>3932192
>My point was, tabletop is an analog and offline medium.
No it's not. Less than 10% of tabletop players actually meet up in person anymore. Virtual tabletop platforms and services like Foundry and Roll20 completely dominate the tabletop gaming space now.
>If you liked 2nd or 3rd ed DnD and you think 5th is trash, you still have all your books, right?
That's a more nuanced issue. The books of course aren't in print anymore. Which means their supply is technically limited, and in practice non-trivial to acquire since it's not actually legal to copy them or share the digitized copies you've made. Most of 3rd edition isn't covered by the OGL, and the 2nd edition ruleset was never free. It's a lot like old video games. No one makes the Earthbound cartridge anymore. There's ROMs, sure. And that might last for the rest of our natural lives. But in principle it's discontinued and in practice the number of people who are still playing Earthbound is constantly getting smaller for many reasons.
In the case of multiplayer games like MMOs... or tabletop RPGs... your ability to play the game is contingent upon not just the service being available, but ALSO the sociological dynamics involved. If people think the MMO is unpopular, they won't want to join to play it, even if it's good. I hope you see where that line of reasoning is going?

I bought the game for 4 dollars and gave it a go.
>Combat is too fast for real time but too slow for turn based.
>Map layouts are awkward but I wouldn't call them poorly designed. The staglord fight is what comes to mind.
>Combat is not enjoyable nor does character building.
The overly complex character builds too that lead to everything being roughly the same is a turn off as well. I dropped it once the plague storyline started I just couldn't get into it and wasn't being hooked.

>>3932203
You think Pathfinder's character building is complex?!
What the fuck?
Do you lose interest before you can finish tying your fucking shoes or something?

>>3932208
NTA but the game is filled to the brim with classes, subclasses, feats and spells. Most of the feats are dogshit but it throws an absolute fuckton of shit at you.

Being a spastic doesn't help your case. Go to /v/ if you want to be an insulting retard.

>>3932213
You have difficulty counting past ten without taking your shoes off.

>>3932215
What a defensive retard.

>>3925314
Pathfinder is extremely woke. And I mean it when I claim that it's EXTREMELY woke. And due to it being woke the whole setting seems extremely fucking stupid.
I could stomach Kingmaker as it was an overall O.K. experience (and I was thirsty for new crpgs at a time), but Wrath is a total cringe factory - from start to finish. Regill was the only stand-out and a possitive, but there are still people who claim that Wrath had better writing for some reason and not once did anyone managed to explain how is better because it's total horseshit.
I could get build-fags being fine with it, but if you want something more out of it - tough luck.
The only praise it deserves is an award for having worst alignment system implementation yet. Fucking hell, I want my hours spent playing WOTR back.

>>3925314
Kingmaker has some of the most infuriatingly cringe inducing companion roster out of almost any RPG ever. It’s truly astonishing how insufferable, unsympathetic, and eye rolling they managed to write this cast of characters. Whatever redeemable qualities some of the characters have are quickly forgotten because of forced treachery arcs, and if they have a consistent theme and place then it’s ruined by bad voice acting and/or shitty backstories. Mechanically the timed quests is novel and manages to be one of the few RPG’s that properly handles an urgent task main quest while including side quests, but this feature along with kingdom management quickly falls apart the very moment you finish Act 4. A lot of the good alignment locked options are extremely questionable because you can achieve the same or better results and greater lasting peace through the neutral locked options, and many of the evil locked options are mechanically lackluster at best or actively suicidal at worst such as the banditry value kingdom buildings like thieve’s guilds. Lawful locked options and chaotic options were the only alignment choices that were handled well and provided meaningful decisions. Kingmaker is a game that desperately needed a tard wrangler of some kind, someone to tell the leads “no” to such stupid design and writing choices.

>>3925314
Kingmaker has this problem where a fair amount of the companions don’t have very solid motivations for staying in your party. Harrim worships a god of entropy and is anti-civilization, so the fact he helps you build up your kingdom and doesn’t leave after you beat the stag lord is very strange. Nok-nok is a literal chaotic evil goblin who has no interest in your endeavors, and Octavia and Reg are escaped slaves who should be getting as far away from Numeria as possible instead of hanging around disputed territory with changeable borders where slavers easily operate.

>>3933658
I guess "woke" means sometimes characters have skin darker than "eggshell" and two gay people exist in a cast of thousands of characters.
Ok. I'm fine with that. It could be better, but it's better than the standard has been these last fifty years.

>>3934425
The entire point of Kingmaker is that the companions are all failures or flawed in their own way, and that they develop as people over the course of the adventure.
It's an untamed wilderness and these are the dregs and outcasts of society who are going there to homestead and make a new life for themselves because their old lives have collapsed for some reason or another. They're literally running away from their problems to build an entirely new country for themselves.
That's why they're all assholes, idiots and fools in the beginning. Each of them develops over the course of their story to make peace with or resolve their problems, which they couldn't have done if they hadn't come to the Stolen Lands with you. You aren't supposed to love them as they were when they start the story. They're broken people. If they just started out as lovable and perfect, there wouldn't be a story involving them adventuring with you.
Do you even understand the purpose of RPGs, anon? No. No you don't.

>>3934925
It's not strange. Harrim's story does involve constantly questioning his reason for existing and his motives for adventuring with you. It's like... the one thing he constantly is talking about. Which you'd know if you paid attention to reading the words on the screen.
And there's many many many reasons that develop over the course of his story about why he doesn't kill himself and why he keeps adventuring with you. The ultimate outcome of his story does depend on your choices and how you influence him. One of the outcomes is that he remains in a state of broken will, wallowing in morose apathy as a depressed failure who gives up on your kingdom and his place in it.
You didn't even play the fucking game, anon.

>>3932230
I mean... you're the one desperate to defend a hot take that's just objectively not true under honest scrutiny.

>>3934925
>Octavia and Reg are escaped slaves who should be getting as far away from Numeria as possible instead of hanging around disputed territory with changeable borders where slavers easily operate
Right, being two escaped slaves on the run is far safer than staying in a region where they're essentially nobility and close adventuring companions of the local Baron/King.

>>3925321
if you need buffs for anything but boss fights you SUCK

>>3925314
>Every mythic path needs some mentor/teacher type to ease you into your role as a different entity.
>For Aeon it's a failed you that travelled from the future.

Kino.

>>3934425
This >>3934952. The way you fail most of their personal storylines is by either giving them exactly what they want, or trying to be some contrarian and completely change their worldviews.

>>3935188
Counterpoint: buffs last long enough you can cruise through the whole dungeon before they lapse so there's not much reason to not buff up early and skip past the trash more easily.
Buffs aren't even necessary for bosses, either. What you actually need for the bosses is a successful dispel to remove all of *their* buffs...

>>3925366
Please no. I'd rather not get space opera RPGs than for the genre to be remade in owlshit's image

>>3925322
100%
Thread should've ended here.

Pathfinder games are legit terrible, i have no idea why Redditors insist they are good games.

>>3925314
Owlcat's Pathfinder series has its fair share of problems, but despite that, they're still one of the best power fantasy games in the genre.

>>3925322
>>3935530
And yet most of the complaints about classes and things are that the classes are all too different and complex and hard to choose between.
That there aren't enough combat encounters to extend the game.
That buffs are irrelevant if you know how to play the game.
That the story is the best thing ever and that there isn't enough of it.
So... maybe, since you're in the stark minority, you guys just have shitty opinions based on nothing but juvenile contrarianism? Or illiteracy?
>>3935532
Owlcat's games don't have any problems that don't plague literally all other games currently due to limited funding and time pressures (which isn't the fault of the developer, it's the fault of economic / market pressures... if you want this art form, you have to find a way to make this kind of art), or which are not characteristics of all RPGs as a genre by definition.

>>3935462
You mean you have to mindfully engage with a character's story to form a meaningful response? You can't just click "I completely agree with you" or "I complete disagree with you" every time???? What the FUCK?!

>>3925314
Baldur's gate didn't get a 3rd game either.

>>3935553
>And yet most of the complaints about classes and things are that the classes are all too different and complex and hard to choose between.
In your head maybe. Most people who never played the game might say that because they see a lot of shit.Those who actually play the games sknow different.
>That there aren't enough combat encounters to extend the game.
Is this a joke? EVERYBODY complains about too much trash/fodder fights. Who in their right mind wants more encounters?
>That buffs are irrelevant if you know how to play the game.
Bullshit, buffs are needed for higher difficulties.
Have you even played the games on anything except easy? Going through the game without buffs is a miserable experience.
>So... maybe, since you're in the stark minority, you guys just have shitty opinions based on nothing but juvenile contrarianism? Or illiteracy?
Nice headcanon. And the writing in pathfinder is extremely juvenile.

Play on core or hard
Use buffbot to alleviate tedium
Minute/level buffs for regular exploring
Save round/level buffs for bosses only

Do Rogue Trader threads ever get posted? I liked that way more than the Pathfinder games even though I've yet to make it far into the second chapter due to rerolling everytime I come back to it.

>>3937499
There isn't anything to complain about with Rogue Trader, and the bisexual companions are trapped in the closet, so the /pol/tards don't even know about them yet.

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>>3925314
Woke dogshit with lesbian midget romance taking up the first 2 hours.

>>3937626
...w-we could talk positively about Rogue Trader then? No? Ok...

>>3937642
Rogue Trader isn't a Pathfinder game. Very emphatically, it's a Warhammer 40k game...
If you want to talk about it, make a separate thread for it.

>>3937787
..well yeah thats why I said >>3937499
I wasn't trying to talk about it HERE was just curious if they ever got posted since I haven't seen them but I'm not active on these basket weaving forums all the time.

I don't like the setting or companions and I couldn't play them for more than a few hours.

Just finished kingmaker and actually managed to marry nyrssa for a change, best girl I forgive you

I just played martial so I want to play a caster

>>3937634
>lesbian midget romance
hot

>>3937634
Those articles have got to be fake

>>3938725
Yeah, let's all just trust a random "screenshot" posted to 4chan by an anonymous user who has been ranting up and down this thread with ultra-fash /pol/ talking points from Russia.
Meanwhile, notice how you've been distracted from talking about the actual game? You know. Pathfinder?

>>3938725
>he doesn’t know

>>3938734
Would someone really do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

>>3925314
Wotr is fun gameplay, good combat, but the story is some fucking retarded fantasysloppa, big time. It's sad, nobody can write anymore.

>>3938931
They don't even have to directly say an untruth, all they have to do is repeat irrelevancies or omit context while they're stirring up shit about nothing. It prevents discussion, it prevents the development of meaning, it undermines commitment to truth and wisdom, it just sprays feces everywhere so that no one wants to actually engage with anything ever. The firehose of falsehoods (the name for this strategy in Russia, who developed the technique for use in international propaganda efforts) does indeed employ a lot of lies, but facts presented without context are also lies. That's a key and fundamental point to keep in mind.

Meanwhile, you notice how we're STILL NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL GAME? The thread has still been successfully derailed with bullshit culture war propaganda? It poisons your ability to enjoy anything. You can't even fucking play a goddamn video game or talk about it because of the hypersaturation of Russian /pol/tard propaganda.

>>3939175
>Meanwhile, you notice how we're STILL NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL GAME?
Yeah fair.
I actually played a bit yesterday. Treasure of the Midnight Isles, currently with a party of
>tiefling bard
>gnome sorcerer (overwhelming mage)
>halfling paladin
>half-orc druid (elemental rampager)
>oread cleric (ecclesitheurge)
>the cleric's pet velociraptor from Scalekind domain
It's fun, even if Treasure of the Midnight Isles just isn't that good. I wish they'd released modding tools for the game, I'm sure someone would have made some cool campaigns by now.