And most importantly, keep the autistic broader discussion in the /v/ threads.

>>3932352
reminder that ceroba is fat

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>>3932352
finally did the cloud shopkeeper, I am also going to do a 2nd pass on all shopkeeper sprites so they look less bad
gotta still do some more cloud area NPCs, and finalize the enemies (still mostly missing the acts)
for the spire, I have done some of the big events but most of the rooms are still missing, and of course the enemies. I will use that idea someone suggested of the "cat of nine tails" which is an HDMI to RCA adapter, but I could use one more regular enemy in the spire (but a lot of regular robot enemies from earlier will reappear as well)
once the spire is finished, I just have to finalize enemy/boss movesets and acts and set the alt route and I think most of the chapter will be done
I'll go back and also tweak some small things in chapter 1 (mainly fixing dark blob and penceller movesets)

>>3932365
>(mainly fixing dark blob and penceller movesets)
Very nice, though I'm most looking forward to the new chapter content of course.
>their reaction to you not having enough money
good stuff.

Responding to the anon in the previous about about this image with DTY Martlet and Cole.
https://files.catbox.moe/le8ckp.png

When the requestor made this request to the drawanon, the intention wasn't supposed to be something lewd, at least I didn't get that from the request.
From what I understand the image itself, or the request, was supposed to delve into something of a cultural adjustment or something like that.
Like for a monster like Martlet, bathing with family in this manner is completely normal to her, and likely other monsters, but not for humans.
Which probably explains Cole's reaction. This isn't normal for him, hence why he's flustered, but he understands Martlet means well, and can't bring himself to tell her the reason.
All in all I think the drawanon captured the tone of the request well, it has a good mix of wholesome and comical.

Damn that took a sec.
Let's try not to get that far anytime soon, eh?

>>3932372
But, but... what if we broke our record again?

>>3932373
That'd be funny, but not being able to post images for multiple days sucked.

>>3932372
What made the last thread so long? What the fuck was there to talk about for 3000 posts?

>>3932372
yeah no need to go crazy like that again. A bit of discussion in here isn't bad but we overdid it. Besides, THREAD tomorrow so no reason to go crazy in here right now.

on a fangame related statement. Apparently the autism we were dealing with on people showing up crying about the fangame designs is part of a current trend where there's a lot of people across the fandom bitching about designs. It's ironic really considering undertales designs are just whatever toby scribbled at that moment. I think it's just people who can't accept that they like furry characters or something.

it's not bad to mix up the designs and all, but shine on you crazy fangame devs.

Also on the topic of thread image limits and all, I found several new images including new art of Axis (rare!) but I'll wait until the /v/ to post it.

>>3932374
I was joking

>What made the last thread so long? What the fuck was there to talk about for 3000 posts?
A mix of actual discussion about the fangames, shitposting and horny posting, as a result, now every major character in Naranja has a fetish associated to them.

>>3932376
>in a fangame related statement. Apparently the autism we were dealing with on people showing up crying about the fangame designs is part of a current trend where there's a lot of people across the fandom bitching about designs. It's ironic really considering undertales designs are just whatever toby scribbled at that moment. I think it's just people who can't accept that they like furry characters or something.
It was actually a single anon/sharteen rage baiting, I don't think it were multiple people complaining about the designs in UTN, the same anon was saying that all the fangames should include Sans and Gaster, it was obviously a troll.

>>3932377
>actual discussion about the fangames, shitposting and horny posting
I'm not sure how to feel about every single thing listed here ostensibly being my fault, or at least something I massively contributed to.

>>3932369
I can't help but respect that despite the fact the request was supposed to be wholesome, the drawfag committed to being consistent with Martlet's canon breast size.

>>3932379
sorry, what I mean is that it's apparently a trend abroad right now in fangame spaces. Enough that Master sword made a comment on it. It's stupid, and should have been ignored in the first place, but the troll here was likely hopping on that trend. I wont drag this out further for the sake of thread preservation, but it's odd that something like that caught on, and then a troll used that specifically.

regardless the thought itself is dumb and not worth discussing.

>>3932369
Why exactly does Martlet have such big breasts here? Aren't they meant to be small?

>>3932387
Martlet's in-game battlesprites have slightly more noticeable curvature around the chest than most other female character's sprites, which a lot of people interpret as meaning that Martlet has comically gigantic breasts canonically.
They aren't actually particularly big in game, but it is a noticeable(ish) departure from other sprites in UTY or even UT not generally depicting female characters with feminine body parts to any specific degree.

(to clarify, no, I don't have any issue whatsoever with Martlet or anyone else having big breasts, I just wanted to point out how it's not necessarily a given that her breasts are actually that massive)

>>3932376
>>3932382
The real problem with UTY's main cast designs is that they have pretty much the same proportions with only differences in height, Axis is the only one with a unique body type, I can't speak for the fangames in development, but as long as they give the characters distinctive enough body types this shouldn't really be a complaint

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>>3932390
NTA, but I think the only reason UTY catches any major flak for this is due to most people only actually knowing the game for it's main cast, which, to be fair, does definitely look fairly generic if that's *all* you're going off of, but the rest of the NPC designs in UTY are actually decently varied and in-line with UT's art style and design philosophy, it's just that the main cast has something of an over-representation of relatively tame designs.

See, if Martlet just looked like [picrel], this wouldn't have been an issue.

>>3932387
Long story short, there's official artwork of Martlet that shows she not only has breasts, they're also pretty large. Hence the term hidden buxom.
Canonically Martlet does genuinely have large breasts, which naturally carries over to her Zenith form, which makes her grow in size, hence why she has even bigger breasts.

>>3932393
Nobody cares about random one off NPCs, a fangame could release with the most bizarre designs for overworld NPCs and basic enemies, but if the main cast looks like generic furries, then people will complain

>>3932396
>but if the main cast looks like generic furries,
That really only applies to just Ceroba and Martlet, Dalv and Starlo are basically fine.
Okay, maybe Dalv looks a bit too much like an Adventure Time character or something, but he definitely doesn't fit the bill of being a "generic furry".

>>3932397
the problem with Dalv is that he looks too much like a generic humanoid, this wouldn't be a problem if Martlet, Starlo and Ceroba had different proportions

>>3932398
At that rate you may as well just change Dalv and leave the rest alone.

>>3932388
>>3932395
That doesn't explain why her breasts are bigger than Ceroba's. Doesn't Ceroba have a much bigger bust size?

>>3932401
you still have 3 main characters with the same proportions and nearly the same height, if UTY's cast were bigger maybe this wouldn't be an issue

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>>3932397
>>3932398
dalv is literally just a human with purple skin
I'd have preferred if they kept the idea that he and decibat were the same character and he changed forms, then it kinda would get a pass
starlo is also too humanoid since besides his head he is literally just a human, a tail would fix this (which some depictions of him give him)
and then there is everyone just being tall and lanky in general

>>3932402
she used to in concept art but in game she is flat as a board

>>3932402
Hate to break it to you buddy, but canonically Ceroba is as flat as a pancake.
This image is pretty accurate when it comes to breast size comparison.
If anything I think the drawfag was being generous with Ceroba here.
https://files.catbox.moe/wwha8r.png

>>3932380
Are you that anon who is going to draw Zaer with a huge cock?

>>3932369
Martlet breastfeeding Cole

>>3932407
>huge cock?
I said I'd give him at least a two-hander, that's not actually that big.

>>3932409
you said at least, which means that it could potentially be bigger.

>>3932406
Going off of this logic, Toriel has the build of a literal refrigerator.
As in, she is a rectangular prism with no curvature whatsoever.

As the resident anon who draws Ceroba with huge breasts, I say it is up to us to imagine™ our waifus with the breasts we think they deserve.

>>3932410
Fair enough on technicality, but I'm not actually into hyper or anything like that, so it's not like I'm gonna be drawing him with some comically large elephant's trunk or something like that.

>>3932377
People were pent up and sexually frustrated from waiting for a new 4chan post to appear, next time share some uty nsfw through catbox links so normal discussion can reign over the thread again

>>3932377
>now every major character in Naranja has a fetish associated to them.
I dunno about that, I was just horny-posting over Zaer, I wouldn't say I've permanently associated what I was saying with him.

>>3932416
I feel like rock polishing will be asociated with Zaer for a long time

>>3932402
As someone who likes Ceroba as much as anyone else who likes her, she's flat like paper, or has breasts on the smaller side.
And significantly smaller breasts than Martlet's. But you know what, I think that's a good thing, and I think more artists should lean into that.

>>3932416
Despite the damage you've done your best to cause to that mans reputation. Zaer still just strikes me as a bro who on the pacifist route may be there for Val in the 11th hour. I've trained well in the art of pretending to not see some things.
>>3932404
I think the assertion that the characters need different body types is flawed, not necesarily a bad idea, but it's held up by many as some sort of objective standard when it really isn't. Each character is visually dynamic in other ways, and that aside, that redesign of Starlo is a downgrade all the way around while not fixing any of the proposed issues.
Also
>bird character with goggles
how dreadfully original.

I don't want to drag this out in the /vrpg/, but the way people go about this thing, and then redesign the characters to be no better is strange.

Martlet should have had her tool belt in her sprite though, and that bottom dalv is too visually imposing for what he is.

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>>3932417
Well, I can't say I'd be disappointed to see other anons join in on this idea, but I get the feeling I alone shall carry this torch.

I really do want Zaer to be our resident "rock polishing"/overstim boy, he's just too cute for me to not think about it.

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I've been brainstorming making an Undertale quest for some time, and I've finally started to making some sprite work for it. I'd like any advice on making overworld and especially battle sprites. I've also been thinking of trying to make music for it as well.

To give some context, I've mostly planned it out by taking Undertale characters and making new ones based off certain aspects, actions, or even just the perception some people have of them. Pic rel is the sort of Asgore expy, and I've made him the de-facto leader of the monsters as a seer even though he doesn't make any real commands over them most of the time. I've been hoping the sprite has a similar stature to Asgore but is noticeably less robust. If it isn't obvious, I'd like tips on how to better make his mantis design more apparent.

>>3932404
Huh, nice redesigns, very cute.
I like Ceroba's, she looks good, I just got one question is all...
What happened to her boots?

>>3932369
Ah, ok. Now that you bring it up I think I was there when it was originally dropped and I recall it being explained back then too. I understand now.
I really wonder how it got to this point though. At no point when Martlet suggested it or when they were undressing did Cole express reluctance? That would be the most awkward moment I'd say.
>>3932387
I headcanon hers as a nice, medium C size, maybe D.
>>3932395
>cites official artwork
>fails to post it
>>3932411
Toriel's clothing is as conservative as it comes. She might as well be wearing a nun's habit.
>>3932422
Just think about what mantises have. Antennae, a big abdomen, big quad-wings, and large pincers. A lot of it looks hidden away but if you go for more of a shaman aesthetic it might be possible to show more.

>>3932426
>She might as well be wearing a nun's habit.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be *any* visible curvature, it'd just be obscured. Toriel has the build of one of those idealized animals from engineering problems, like the perfectly spherical penguin, or rectangular cow.

>>3932426
Official artwork of Martlet having a hidden buxom.
https://files.catbox.moe/pdwzd3.png
The link is safe by the way.

>>3932433
That's really not that big.
Like, honestly, that's barely even noticeable to most people.
If we took this artwork and her in-game sprites at face value, she wouldn't have massive tits, she'd be noteworthy for being one of the only female characters to have *any* breasts at all.

I guess in the land of the flat, the barely convex-chested woman is queen.

>>3932422
>Undertale quest
Could you explain? is this like an AU or a fangame?

>I'd like any advice on making overworld and especially battle sprites. I've also been thinking of trying to make music for it as well.
I'm far from good when it comes to making sprites, but if I had to give you one tip, that would be to look for pixel art tutorials to learn the very basics, then whenever you are drawing an overworld sprite, make sure to use an overworld NPC as reference, either for height, colors or proportions, its much easier to notice what you got wrong in your sprite when you have something from the game to compare, I can't give you too much advice on battle sprites either since I suck at those, but what I said about overworld sprites applies to them too, you need more general art knowledge in order to draw battle sprites.
BTW what software are you using to draw? you can draw pixel art on anything but the most recommended program and the one that I use is Aseprite, which is specialized in making sprites.

>pic rel is the sort of Asgore expy, and I've made him the de-facto leader of the monsters as a seer even though he doesn't make any real commands over them most of the time.
Sounds interesting, like an swap AU except you swap the game's characters with OCs.

>I'd like tips on how to better make his mantis design more apparent.
If he is covered by a cloak then making the mantis theme more noticeable will become harder, you need to focus on the head, like the other anon said give him more insect features. Generally when I'm drawing a new character I look on the internet for cartoony designs of what I'm going to draw (since Undertale has a more cartoon aesthetic) or something that resembles it, like with your mantis character, you could look references of other mantises in fiction for inspiration.

I hope that one green anon comes by again sometime soon, his work was phenomenal.

>>3932422
I know people here reddit and all, but I think these two posts have very helpful information on how to make UT styled sprites
https://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/comments/1i9nv8c/time_to_dump_all_the_info_i_have_about_spriting/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/comments/1mmwd48/perhaps_the_biggest_tutorial_ive_ever_constructed/

>>3932437
>>3932422
something worth considering is how mega man zero 3 handles its mantis reploid when its in a humanoid form
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/b/bc/Deathanz_Mantisk.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100711000329

I know his cowl or whatever doesn't cover him as much, but maybe there's inspiration to take from how it implies the mantis even when you can't see "mantis". Maybe there are protrusions in the robe or just places where it has part of the mantis shape being covered up.

>>3932439
people here hate reddit*

>>3932440
he could have two capes with sightly different colors, giving him a mantis wings motif

3113 posts. You people are insane.

>>3932365
I don't want to ask "when's it coming out", I know that can be annoying when making something, and up in the air, but even if you don't want to share the number, do you personally have a goal for when you want to get this part done by?

>>3932436
nta, I'm going to try to explain what the other anon is trying to convey. So essentially Martlet associated with the hidden buxom trope.
Put simply it's when a character has large breasts, but the actual size of their breasts is hidden well by their clothing or other means.
In Martlet's case, her clothing hides how big her breasts actually are, that is until she removes her top, and the huge rack comes out.
I also don't know if it was intentional, or by coincidence, by the top Martlet wears bears a heavy resemblance to a real life top that women use to cover their breasts.
Anyhow without getting into debates, it's a general consensus that Martlet has large breasts, her clothing just hides them surprisingly quite effectively.

>>3932444
We will attempt to better reign in discussion this time.
>>3932443
that's not a terrible idea. maybe some kind of patterns on the cloak that evoke "mantis" in some kind of way beyond that?

Mantis usually have a narrow center which is something that reploid design also tries to work with.

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>>3932419
>Despite the damage you've done your best to cause to that mans reputation.
I don't think he has damaged his reputation that much, its not that different from the stuff anons said about the Naranja girls.
>Zaer still just strikes me as a bro
I too see Zaer as a bro, but I also think he is cute
>>3932420
That's not the fetish I would have associated to Zaer, also, by looking at his sprite, I just noticed Zaer looks pretty average in his front facing overworld sprites, but he clearly has muscles in his side and battle sprites
>>3932444
We are passionate

>>3932446
>the top Martlet wears bears a heavy resemblance to a real life top that women use to cover their breasts.
It kinda just looks like a standard tank-top to me, but whatever.
Like I said earlier ITT, I got no problem with people wanting Martlet to have large breasts, it's not like I haven't drawn her like that myself before, I'm just saying it's kind of a stretch to insist that this it's 100% canon when it's really not.
By the same logic you're arguing from, just about any female character could have a deceptively large rack hidden under their clothing.

>>3932447
>Mantis usually have a narrow center which is something that reploid design also tries to work with.
I think the design he showed should be a bit more skinny, like at the very least remove 2 pixels of wideness.

>>3932448
>That's not the fetish I would have associated to Zaer, also, by looking at his sprite, I just noticed Zaer looks pretty average in his front facing overworld sprites, but he clearly has muscles in his side and battle sprites
Eh, these threads really only fetishize muscular builds when we're talking about women, muscular men don't really get as much attention here.
So, I decided to get creative, and we've landed on "rock polishing", apparently.

>>3932451
Maybe, but it could be that his mantis claws are what gives the illusion of the broad shoulders, having them spaced out to hold the cloak up?

maybe just narrowing him would be for the better but I'm just throwing out suggestions for anon if he was really wanting that kind of appearance.

>>3932453
I wasn't talking about fetishizing his muscles, that was more like a remark, I didn't notice them before.

>>3932352
>62 posts in 3 hours
Anons, slow down

>>3932404
>starlo is also too humanoid since besides his head he is literally just a human, a tail would fix this
Starlo is an object head, not an organism based anthro. A tail wouldn’t fit him as he’s not a furry, and he’s the designated “scrimblo” like Sans, Tenna, Spamton, and etc. He’s definitely meant for a different audience (not furries)
>>3932411
There’s nothing to suggest that female monsters canonically have breasts besides Martlet (non canon character btw) due to how they look and the lack of blood in monsters. It’s fine to make Ceroba and Toriel have big tits, but again, it’s not canon that they do. Toriel could literally just be built like a fridge, yes

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>>3932462
>There’s nothing to suggest that female monsters canonically have breasts

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>>3932462
>There’s nothing to suggest that female monsters canonically have breasts
Catty's sprite has cleavage in Undertale.

>>3932463
>>3932464
God dammit I got played

>>3932450
nta To be fair, unlike other drawn characters in official artworks, Martlet was actually drawn with visible breasts, so it's not ambiguous when compared to someone like Toriel or Undyne.
This is coming from someone who's argued that Toriel may have smaller breasts despite everyone drawing her with massive milkers.
Martlet happens to be in a unique situation because canonically it's not ambiguous, her having visible breasts is consistent.
Why the devs did this, god knows why, but hey she has breasts, she has rack, and they're very visible.

>>3932465
Yes, yes you did.

>>3932462
Witty retorts featuring canonical depictions of honkers aside, my main point is that I feel like posting images of Martlet having some ever-so-slight curvature around her chest and going "look, she's actually wearing a super special kind of shirt that hides her ginormous tits, she canonically has the biggest tits in the underground!" is fucking stupid. Headcanons are fine, do whatever you want on that front, but I'm just really sick of people insisting certain things are true about Martlet based on little-to-no canon evidence.
Like those fuckin' guys in the last thread who tried to seriously argue that Martlet would just give away her breastmilk freely if "it could help someone", it's just fuckin' weird.

>>3932445
chapter 2 is taking longer than I originally expected, I was hoping I'd have it nearly done by now but I think maybe at most 2 to 3 months at the current pace is when it will be finished, hopefully sooner, no promises though

>>3932467
Will any fangame dev have the balls to make a character with visible big boobs?

>>3932467
Yeah, no, she has tits, that's not what I'm arguing about, I'm saying that insisting she has the biggest tits around is kinda weird when the only thing she has is some slight curvature around her chest and very little else.
As another anon and I pointed out just now, there are characters in the original UT with visible breasts, so it's not even like Martlet's the only character to have been depicted in the UT universe, official or otherwise, to have breasts.
Hell, I'd say the shopkeeper's breasts are actually more prominent than Martlet's even, they curve out way more.

>>3932470
>chapter 2 is taking longer than I originally expected, I was hoping I'd have it nearly done by now but I think maybe at most 2 to 3 months at the current pace is when it will be finished, hopefully sooner, no promises though
NTA but I understand you, sadly, game dev always takes longer than we anticipate.

>>3932470
>no promises though
of course of course, but thank you for your thoughts on things. I don't have a good grasp on how long devving actually takes other than "a long time" so I was braced to hear a much longer projection than that anyways. I know the threads are a mess, sometimes for better or worse, but fangame updates are cause to celebrate.

>>3932472
i only have one lady character in my hypothetical fanagame planned out and she's just a shameless Tenna ripoff

>>3932481
Whats your fangame called/about?

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>>3932462
Noelle in Deltarune has a bust. It's just part of the artstyle for these games to not have very defined women. It's disappointing, but what can you do?

>>3932482
GELtarune, you would play as a wagecuck in a DR equivalent of McDonald's after someone opened a dark fountain in the lobby. the protagonist would have no idea how to seal it so it would just get bigger and bigger and each chapter would have the protagonist do shit in different regions of the building, like the parking lot or the supply room

>>3932463
>>3932464
>>3932476
At the end of the day, Martlet canonically has tits, and their visible. Which is a lot more than what can be said about a lot of the other female characters.
Personally I don't think it's inaccurate that Martlet has tits on the bigger side. At the end of the day, that's just my personal opinion.
Whatever the case is, she has curvature, and that's enough for me.

>>3932485
That sounds really funny
any particular ideas to expand/rework the gameplay?

>>3932423
The people yearn for roba paws

>>3932486
Yeah, that's fine, as long as we all agree this is mostly just headcanon aside from the fact that she does have *something* on her chest as opposed to nothing.
Glad we could keep things civil, that's not always a given with these kinds of discussions, somehow.


Also, *they're.

>>3932423
by removing her boots she looks more monstrous, either that or the spriter is a pawfag

>>3932489
Don't we all...
https://files.catbox.moe/w24dxl.png

>>3932491
>by removing her boots she looks more monstrous, either that or the spriter is a pawfag
Eh, joking aside, I'm leaning towards the former, her paws aren't so prominent in the redesigned sprite that I'm willing to actually throw any major accusations around.
I would know.

>>3932488
I have thought on that for months. closest thing I've had is tension points being a bad thing so you would have to keep it low or find ways to lower it

>>3932496
>I have thought on that for months. closest thing I've had is tension points being a bad thing so you would have to keep it low or find ways to lower it
That would discourage grazing, unless you have ways to spend your TP mid enemy turn, like by having a dash/parry ability that costs TP to use

>>3932490
I'm sure you don't mean anything by it, but unless it's warranted, you shouldn't really be going around correcting anons on their grammar on casual posts like this.
That kind of shit vexes people, and can get pretty annoying rather quickly. If you get what they're trying to convey, leave it at that.
Also why did you put the correction in a spoiler box? There's nothing to spoil.

>>3932504
>Also why did you put the correction in a spoiler box? There's nothing to spoil.
Because I think it's funny.

>>3932504
Because he was just being cheeky, and the spoiler text was a clear way to indicate that.
>>3932499
>>3932496
it could be a good idea if you implemented it in a way that wasn't "miserable to deal with" which I know is easier said than done. maybe too little tp is bad too much is bad, and so keeping it in the middle is "peak performance" ? you're constantly encouraged to gain and spend it in some way, but you need to make sure there are satisfying and easy to access ways to spend it.

what if there was something you could spend tp on in the middle of an enemies turn?

>>3932499
i'm aware it's not a very good idea, i'm still brainstorming something unique for the battle system. I do want to have a boss fight where you parry unavoidable attacks to gather tp doe

>>3932490
The fact Martlet has something, and Ceroba has nothing, means Martlet is bigger than Ceroba either way. So I guess Martlet wins in the end.

>>3932509
Well I dunno, that other anon made the argument that Martlet was wearing some kind of special shirt that was making her boobs appear smaller, so maybe Ceroba's just got a stronger version of that, and she can just throw off her kimono like Rock Lee's training weights and reveal an even bigger rack without any warning.

>>3932508
I don't think it's a completely doomed idea personally, it just needs something to make it feel satisfying in gameplay instead of being busywork you know?
>>3932505
I humbly request that you don't follow the compulsion to respond to the person who is just repeatedly saying "Martlet has huge honkers". I like Martlet tiddies as much as the next bird lover but it's 1/3 of the thread already for someone who's just going to respond "canonically she's got big cungaderos".

The answer is always to draw the character with the tiddies you want
I like both big and small tiddies, there's no wrong way to slap em on a roba

>>3932507
>maybe too little tp is bad too much is bad, and so keeping it in the middle is "peak performance" ? you're constantly encouraged to gain and spend it in some way, but you need to make sure there are satisfying and easy to access ways to spend it.
The game Aeon Must Die, kind of works like that, you have a "heat bar" which is both your mana and your health, each hit increases or decreases your heath, if you take a hit while your heat is full or depleted then you die.

>what if there was something you could spend tp on in the middle of an enemies turn?
That's literally what I said in my post, if the player has like a parry/dash that costs TP that could be useful, another idea would be that by holding X you not only move slower but also your hurtbox becomes smaller (a white circle appear on top of your soul representing the exact size of your hurtbox), this action drains TP at a rate.

>>3932511
>I humbly request that you don't follow the compulsion to respond to the person who is just repeatedly saying "Martlet has huge honkers".
Fffffffine.

>"canonically she's got big cungaderos".
I don't think Spamton's talking about tits when he says that.

>>3932513
My apologies, I missed that being mid enemy turn. when you said It I just mentally registered it as something you do before their turn like how deltarune/undertale stuff works.

Never heard of aeon must die but while i'm not that dev anon, I'm gonna go check it out. It sounds like a worthwhile concept then.

>>3932507
my base idea for it was you'd always be fighting it and scrambling to lower it or reduce the amount of tension the protagonist was getting by sparing enemies or consuming items. one of my favorite parts of DR is using your turns as efficiently as possible and I would want to replicate that by having the player find out what does and doesn't stress out the protagonist and routing each encounter to end as quickly as possble

>>3932510
From what I understand based on this whole discussion.
The shirt made Martlet's boobs appear smaller, but she still has visible boobs.
Whereas Ceroba has literally nothing. There's nothing to hide. So she really is just kinda flat.
Full disclaimer I'm not trying to pick sides in this breast size debate.

>>3932515
>Never heard of aeon must die but while i'm not that dev anon, I'm gonna go check it out. It sounds like a worthwhile concept then.
The game is very mid, its a beat em up, but the concept of the health being the mana thing was actually pretty interesting.

>>3932516
do you have party members in this fangame?

>>3932517
But you said Ceroba's flat so you must be on Martlet's side.

>>3932517
Some anons earlier ITT were specifically referring to the "hidden buxom" trope, in which a character who is ordinarily seen without breasts is revealed to actually have large breasts that were just being hidden by their clothing. (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HiddenBuxom)
My argument was that Martlet's just wearing a pretty basic tank-top, and those aren't known for incorporating Gallifreyan space-warping technology to make people's boobs disappear, so I was saying that going strictly off of what we see in-game, she'd have breasts that are just very slightly not-flat, as opposed to having the massive rack the other anons were arguing she had.
Furthermore, if we really want to stick to the trope, it would actually be more fitting for Ceroba to be in possession of large breasts, since her clothing conceals way more of her body than Martlet's does and would therefore fit the trope better by virtue of the "hidden" part.

>>3932519
hypothetically it would be 2 for a majority of the game, but I know that if I want to lean into turn efficiency I would probably have to use temp party members

>>3932523
>>3932519
If the main monster companion isn't a girl I shan't be playing

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>>3932524
heres your sexy hmofa lady companion xir

>>3932525
Sovl...
Regardless, would be cool to hear if you embarked on the journey of actually making all of this. When you first described it I couldn't help but imagine Peppino trying to keep from losing his shit in a dark world.

>>3932525
Do you have a design for your main character?

>>3932521
Between the two characters, just from their appearances alone, personally I feel Martlet fits the trope more, simply by the fact we know she has breasts.
Unless Ceroba's clothing has a pocket dimension, and just from what she's wearing, she appears to be very petite.
Again not trying to take sides, but between the two, I can buy that Martlet has bigger breasts than what's initially shown. Whereas with Ceroba I just don't see it.
Everyone's free to have their own opinions, and in my humble opinion the trope fits Martlet more.

>>3932528
>personally I feel Martlet fits the trope more
>Unless Ceroba's clothing has a pocket dimension
That's.
That's the point of the trope, literally. The entire point is that the character who is the subject of the trope initially appears small/flat chested, until they change their clothes and are suddenly revealed to have large breasts seemingly from nowhere. I'm not even arguing about just these two, I'm more focused on the trope itself here at this point.

>>3932528
>>3932531
Then I guess it's no surprise why Zenith Martlet has such big breasts. It's hidden behind her armour.
She'd literally embody the trope.

>>3932525
that's a darkner, I mean a monster

>>3932533
Half-agree. While she could indeed have gotten larger breasts from the transformation, it wouldn't necessarily fit the trope specifically if her armor would naturally allow her breasts to fit inside it.
If her armor is a relatively flat plate hiding unintuitively large breasts under it, then it fits the trope, but if the armor is curved to fit around her breasts, then they aren't really hidden, and therefore it doesn't really fit the trope.
This is what I'm getting at when it comes to this trope with normal Martlet and Ceroba. Martlet, by virtue of having *some* visible curvature, a stand-out from the rest of the cast, doesn't really fit as well simply because her breasts just aren't really hidden. On the other hand, Ceroba appearing to have a flat chest makes her a prime candidate for this trope, since her chest actually could be hidden according to how this trope works.
Again, referring specifically to the "hidden buxom" trope, to be clear.

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>>3932527
for the record he is not clover

>>3932538
You can't see Zenith Martlet's breasts when she's wearing her armour. So she would fit the hidden buxom trope.

>>3932540
Well, thats an unconventional main character design for a UT/DR protag

>>3932540
poor bastard NEEDS to have a good day at work today.

>>3932543
thats his dark world form i haven't drawn his light world fit yet

>>3932545
I know thats his dark world form

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>>3932541
The trope isn't just about direct line of sight, it's about being able to tell whether they're there at all.
Even if you can't directly see bare skin, you can still tell whether or not someone has breasts just by looking at their chest, which is where the trope comes from, from characters who *seem* flat ordinarily but actually have large or otherwise more substantial breasts.
If Zenith Martlet's chestplate was entirely flat despite her having large breasts, then yes, that would fit the trope by virtue of her having large breasts despite her appearing to be flat, but if her plate curves in such a way that her breasts could easily fit inside it at a glance, then it doesn't fit the trope because that conflicts with the entire point of the trope itself.

>>3932547
oh, sorry. is it because he has eyes? I wanted to give him very visible eyes to contrast kris

>>3932365
I was talking about the old console AV cables, which are a different thing. Specifically the Xbox 360's HD video cable, which component and composite out on it, for a total of 6 cables on one end. The other end was a proprietary video connector, much bigger than HDMI and fully analog.

>>3932548
>>3932541
reign it in now, before you retards bury everything again after 500 posts of arguing over nothing

>>3932553
I'm just correcting that guy on proper usage of the trope, I'm not arguing about the other stuff anymore.

>>3932550
I said it mostly because he looks kinda old, we are used to main characters being kids or teens at most

>>3932554
you're eating up posts rapid fire against someone who is willfully responding to you as if you've made some revelation clear to him that was stated no where in your post. Everyone knows what that trope it, everyones seen gifs of a girl taking her shirt off and tits practically EXPLODING out. Please at least if you're going to engage with someone who's actively not listening to you, do it in the /v/ thread. I'll agree with whichever stance you hold for the next 13 minutes if you do this one thing for me.

>>3932555
yeah he's in his early 20's, part of the story would be him adjusting to work life

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>>3932352
It sort of pisses me off that 13k people liked this tweet. It's basically exaggerating valid criticisms about UTY's character designs into "lol theyre all anthros!1!"

Seriously think UTDRfags that hate UTY were right about UTYfags not being able to handle criticism. People have constantly stated that the issue was that the main characters have very similar body types and such. There was little seething about there being furries or whatever

>>3932556
>I'll agree with whichever stance you hold for the next 13 minutes if you do this one thing for me.
Why 13 minutes exactly?
Anyway, look, not every minor disagreement is going to turn into a whole thing, most of the original people who were talking about this have probably already moved on, and this isn't the kind of topic that gives rise to multi-hour long arguments anyway. At least last time my discussion of how to draw furry heads turned into an argument about Chujin because Chujin was ostensibly part of the initial discussion and the other anon said something in particular that we then turned into the main topic of discussion, that's not going to happen with an argument about boobs.
I'd much rather be drawing tits than arguing about them anyway.

>>3932558
>There was little seething about there being furries or whatever
Eh, I remember that actually being a fairly common criticism about UTY back when it first came out.

>122 posts in 5 hours
this thread is doomed

>>3932562
Give it a bit, it'll slow down over the weekend when the /v/s are up, and it'll probably just cool down in general once people stop talking about things.

>>3932561
When I read back thread archives of /utg/ around UTY's release, some anons said Ceroba looked out of place and would call her "Touhou fox". They weren't necessarily wrong that Ceroba looks more traditionally furry than say Toriel, but I don't care much

>>3932564
It was a more common complaint outside of these threads, is what I was saying.

>>3932422
Open the robe in the front and have him rubbing his hands together, happy merchant style. Also give him a slouch.

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>>3932558
this is a dumb argument and I'm not having it. It's not bad to have more unusual designs but toby didn't suddenly write the book on what characters it was ok to put in a game. Especially after 10 years of "uhhhh goat mommy".

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>>3932558
Samefag, but I also think MasterSwordRemix is missing the point with the criticisms as well. This screenshot would be valid if people were just talking about Deltarune, but they also compared Undertale's designs to UTY. Keep in mind Undertale barely had a team, just Toby and Temmie. And the sprite work in the game was not super detailed. Undertale had a lot of diversity to its cast that UTY doesn't have as much

>>3932567
Its such a complete waste of time too after chapter 3&4 more or less raped tobycore to death as a concept.

>>3932485
I think it would be really funny if his boss is still forcing him to wagecuck despite his job being swallowed up by a fantasy world. Like imagine every chapter is just a new assignment his boss has given him, said boss being completely indifferent to the absurd circumstances.

>>3932571
my current reasoning in my story drafts is that he's just addicted to the minor praise he gets from his bosses so he becomes the dedicated "dark room" guy

>>3932570
toby clearly just puts whatever he's feeling at that moment onto the page, and that's fine in a sense. there's not some ultimate gold standard of "things toby would to" other than try to be sincere about his autism.

It's also silly to act like uty fans aren't the harshest on criticizing the game. People literally started making their own fangames because they thought uty did it wrong. But turning Martlet into a borb or making ceroba walk around on all fours isn't going to just fix what was wrong with the game.

>>3932554
Not quite sure what you were correcting, since the guys example with Zenith Martlet was the correct usage of the trope.
At that point it felt like you were dragging out the discussion longer than it needed to be.
Regardless I think we can all agree, everyone's free to think what they want to think.

>>3932576
>since the guys example with Zenith Martlet was the correct usage of the trope.
No, because he was simply arguing that she fit the trope simply because you couldn't see her breasts when she's in armor, and the trope is about more than just being able to see them directly, it's about the actual shape.
Not to mention the fact that Zenith Martlet doesn't actually have visible breasts of any kind even after her chestplate is gone, so there's no "hidden" anything going on with her.
>everyone's free to think what they want to think.
Absolutely not, never, die.

>>3932568
>Undertale had a lot of diversity to its cast that UTY doesn't have as much
Besides the skeletons and Mettaton, no actually. They're all anthros, just a lot less attractive than the ones in UTY. The skeletons are just so well designed nobody really minded that the rest of the cast are a bit lackluster. Also Mettaton turning from a box into David Bowie was a great twist.

Anyway, download the anatomically correct Martlet mod.

>>3932579
>Zenith Martlet doesn't actually have visible breasts of any kind even after her chestplate is gone
She actually does have visible breasts without her armour on.

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>>3932582
Where, precisely?
She doesn't have breasts, that's her entire upper torso curving there.

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can't believe we are already wasting tens of posts in another back and forth autism battle
really wish we had more fangame updates to try to get the thread back on track but everything is so slow lately
I guess pic related's orange take commemorated 9 years but still not even a demo ready
https://gamejolt.com/games/UndertaleOrange/236632

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>>3932583
>>3932582
Kill yourselves
>>3932584
>9 years with no demo
what the hell are they even doing?

>>3932584
>can't believe we are already wasting tens of posts in another back and forth autism battle
Buddy, the last thread got to 3000, we'll be fine.
>I guess pic related's orange take commemorated 9 years but still not even a demo ready
What is this, TF2, nine years of what?

>>3932584
>commemorated 9 years but still not even a demo ready
Aren't commemorations usually reserved for when something's actually happened?
What are they commemorating, is their game actually gonna come out soon?

>>3932570
I think this argument is pretty stupid all around, especially considering it all comes down to matter of taste, but I personally really dislike the changes to the artstyle made in 3 and 4. Especially the titan, I hate basically everything about that thing (except the bald guy silhouette, the whole fight should have been that.)

>>3932573
Honestly, I think it'd be funnier if he is explicitly forced to to do everything under threat of having his pay docked or being fired. Just imagine him desperately pleading with his boss about how he almost died in the last one and the boss is like "Come on, be a team player."

Okay, to turn discussion back to fangames themselves, I've got a question.
How the hell do you end up with things like what (>>3932584) posted, where a project's been "ongoing" for nearly an entire decade with literally nothing to show for it? Didn't Undertale itself, which was worked on by a single man (with some relatively minor help from Temmie) only take a few years to make, largely in Andrew Hussie's basement?
How does a project with an entire team working on it end up taking nearly 10 years, without so much as a demo?
I mean, fuck, there are single anons here working on projects by themselves who've made more serious progress on their fangames in just a handful of years (or less) than that Undertale Orange project's had in nearly 10.
UTY itself gets a pass since it was the first real attempt at a full-length UT fangame, and it was also made by people who were mostly children at the time they started working on it, but even that only took seven years.
How does this happen?

>>3932576
>>3932579
Both of you quit it.

>>3932588
>Buddy, the last thread got to 3000, we'll be fine.
No we fucking won't, we haven't been fine for three weeks. This is a problem and its getting worse. I can't get anything done or have any discussion in the designated weekly threads because of this non-stop mess, and I can't just skip a few thousand posts of discussion because something important might happen.

Go make a /v/ thread if you really must have fast discussion, but for the love of god stop having it here.

>>3932597
>I can't get anything done
Your ability to be productive is dependent on these threads moving at a certain pace?
>Go make a /v/ thread if you really must have fast discussion, but for the love of god stop having it here.
I think with this post there are now more posts complaining about people having discussions than there are posts in that discussion in particular, and that discussion wasn't even moving very fast.

>>3932597
Also, kinda ironic that the post you replied to was asking an actual question about a fangame someone brought up, and you instead decided to shit your pants about a discussion that ended several minutes ago that neither side is actively seeking to have anymore.

>>3932594
I think what happens is, they get together to "make stuff" and basically just have a big idea guy session, but none of them have the drive to actually do anything with the ideas, be it learn coding, or well, really anything else. They get addicted to the community feeling of "being a dev" and just never set any expectations that they're going to do anything with it, and exist as "devs" forever.
there's nothing wrong with taking time to hash things out, write, come up with ideas and all that, but these are people that the thought of actually sitting down and coding is, impossible to.

that's my completely pulled out of my ass thoughts on the matter at least
>>3932588
I don't think it needs to be completely dead in here, but 3000 posts was not a positive thing. we don't need to have conversation just to "keep the thread active", having a fruitless argument because someone is too busy jerking off to acknowledge your points does not help thread quality. There does come a point where you just bury actual discussion in nonsense. There comes a point where you really just need to put the bottle down.

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>>3932593
noted

>>3932600
>that's my completely pulled out of my ass thoughts on the matter at least
No, you may actually have a decent point.
Has that particular project actually shown anything, anything at all, that points to them actually having a game in development? Not even a released demo, just any indication that they are, indeed, working on something?
Cause if not, you may actually be more correct that you imagined, I'd bet.
>I don't think it needs to be completely dead in here, but 3000 posts was not a positive thing.
Yeah, see, I get that, but what I was saying is that having a dumb argument every once in a while isn't gonna kill the threads or anything, it happens.
>There comes a point where you really just need to put the bottle down.
You are saying this in reference to a discussion whose last reply was sent over half an hour ago.
The bottle's down buddy, you're the one saying it's up.

>>3932598
>Your ability to be productive is dependent on these threads moving at a certain pace?
Considering that I'm working on a game for these threads, yes it is directly dependent. This is like trying to work, but every five minutes you get called in for a meeting. I can't just skip this because what if someone has a question for me, or what if one of the other devs releases an update. Hell, I'm still waiting on a reply, that I think the guy I was talking to just missed because of the absolute clusterfuck these threads have become.

>and that discussion wasn't even moving very fast
Its not just one discussion that's the problem, its constant non-stop discussion, half of which is inane bullshit that is wasting post count and everyone's time and energy. To be clear, I like inane bullshit, but this is too much. All I ask is that you keep it off here because this is where the important stuff is supposed to go.

No more correcting people, no more "no die" arguments, no more fetish arguments, no more "reminder that" posts, not here, not until we have a thread die with the image limit unreached.

>>3932599
All that can be said about it has been said. Its ten year old vaporware. Posting that again or making a funny remark is just a +1 to the post count and a -1 to my mental energy.

>ended several minutes ago
Do you not see what's wrong with that statement? We should be measuring discussion time in hours or days here, not minutes. How the hell am I supposed to know that discussion has "finished" if it's less than five minutes old on a board where people reply to posts days later?

/v/ thread is tomorrow, or hell it's the weekend already so we could start having them as of Fridays if the pace of discussion is that increased. We don't need to have a pissing contest, we can just, have thread.

>>3932604
>Hell, I'm still waiting on a reply, that I think the guy I was talking to just missed because of the absolute clusterfuck these threads have become.
You can always just search through the archives or ctrl+f search for a post's digits if wanna check for replies to anything.
Hell, if you wanna make sure someone sees something, you could just say "Hey, if [so and so] is still here...", etc.
On a site where replies to posts directly link back to the posts they're replying to, it's not really that hard to find what you're looking for.
>No more correcting people, no more "no die" arguments, no more fetish arguments, no more "reminder that" posts, not here, not until we have a thread die with the image limit unreached.
Dude, I've been seeing that kinda shit happen well before just the last few weeks. Sure, it definitely hit a spike with the last few threads in particular, but it's just an exacerbation of behavior that was already present in these threads, it'll die down.
>All that can be said about it has been said.
I was asking an actual question about it because it was new to me and I was curious about it. I know you've been in these threads way longer than me and probably have encyclopedic knowledge of every UTDR fangame under the sun, but not everyone is as knowledgeable as you are on the topic.
>We should be measuring discussion time in hours or days here, not minutes.
People reply to things when they can and want to. People will reply to things days later if the thread they're in happens to exist days later, and people will reply to things in minutes if they feel like replying that fast.
This isn't a discord server or some shit, there's no cooldown on a /vrpg/ thread, people will reply when they will.

>>3932607
The energy isn't right for a /v/ right now, let's save it for Saturday. The only "discussion" happening right now is about fast discussions being an issue, not about anything worth making a thread over.

>>3932608
>You can always just search through the archives or ctrl+f search for a post's digits if wanna check for replies to anything
Ok, what if they don't mention me by name? What if they don't reply to me directly? What if I don't know I'm looking for it? Most of the shit I need to reply to or read is shit I never would have thought to look for.

>it'll die down.
That's what I thought a week ago, but it keeps happening and its getting worse.

> but not everyone is as knowledgeable as you are on the topic.
I know only what's posted in this thread. Its an orange fangame with a bland looking cover image that's been in development for 9 years and has no demo. Its never coming out.

>This isn't a discord server or some shit, there's no cooldown on a /vrpg/ thread, people will reply when they wil
They're gonna have to stop replying at all unless its important because the thread and the efforts of the devs in it are not going to survive if things continue to progress as they have. Then it'll just end up like one of those /trash/ generals, where its devolved into nothing but nonstop arguments and ritual posting to feed people's "topic" craving, while all the OC creators were driven out years ago.

>>3932609
Fair enough, ill leave it be for now then.

>>3932610
>Ok, what if they don't mention me by name? What if they don't reply to me directly?
Then like I said, just make a post to try and grab their attention if you missed them.
Hell, I once made a post in here asking for a specific anon from one of the /v/s about a request I was taking from them, and they answered, so I can personally attest to the fact that this actually works.
>What if I don't know I'm looking for it?
What? What do you mean you don't know if you're looking for it? If you don't know if you're looking for something, then you wouldn't even know if you're missing something, because you don't even know if you're looking for it.
What are we doing?
>That's what I thought a week ago, but it keeps happening and its getting worse.
A week ago was the previous thread. It takes more than a single thread for things to change.
>Its never coming out.
I mean, yeah, I figured that, but that guy said the dev team was "commemorating" something, so I was curious if this was gonna be one of those instances where something gets stuck in development hell only to actually make it out the other side. I think something like that'd be worth a discussion, but I'm not sure that's what was actually happening.
>They're gonna have to stop replying at all unless its important because the thread and the efforts of the devs in it are not going to survive if things continue to progress as they have.
I dunno, there was a good amount of shitposting in the last thread, and we still saw a good amount of actual dev activity alongside it.
Hell, I was giving the NaranjaDev actual, honest to god feedback about the latest build towards the end of the last thread, feedback on the game's design, art, writing, and I was apparently the first person to have encountered (or at least reported) some weird bug in the tutorial.
I think it's safe to say the threads can have both legitimate developer activity and bullshit at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive by any means.

>>3932613
>I think it's safe to say the threads can have both legitimate developer activity and bullshit at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive by any means.
considering how much got utterly buried, I doubt that. This comes across as desperate arguing for why nobody should object to these threads turning into /utg/ 2.0

>>3932615
>considering how much got utterly buried, I doubt that. This comes across as desperate arguing for why nobody should object to these threads turning into /utg/ 2.0
I dunno, the NaranjaDev didn't seem like he was having any trouble actively keeping up with conversation when him and I were talking about some of Naranja's lore points.
You aren't even citing anything in particular, just saying a ton of shit got "buried" and labeling any discussion in the threads as these threads turning into /utg/.
Again, you do realize this conversation you keep pushing is now taking up more posts than the other discussion you were complaining about?
And this one isn't even tangentially fangame related, it's just you bitching about the state of the thread while actively contributing to making it worse.

>>3932616
Nta but I dont know man, stuff does seem to get buried sometimes, naranjanon is going through and scanning through hundreds and hundreds of posts to find stuff, and it makes it easier since his update just dropped that more posts are going to be about his demo. If its something that is further between updates I can see how "skimming" through 3000 posts can be miserable. Its not a completely unfair point hes bringing up when the parts hes having to dig through are mountains of fetish arguments. Its fun sometimes but after a certain point I can see how the last thread was a mess.

>>3932613
>What do you mean you don't know if you're looking for it?
I meant to say "what if I don't know what I'm looking for?"

> then you wouldn't even know if you're missing something,
Somehow you've still managed to understand the problem despite my inability to communicate properly, even if you don't understand that it is a problem.

>A week ago was the previous thread
A week ago was two threads ago, which is obscene. Threads should not be going this fast.

>, they aren't mutually exclusive by any means.
No, they are, it just takes a while for one to kill the other. I can't think or work or get anything done at all with this shit going on. I'm sure the other devs will feel it eventually.

>>3932616
>you
you're talking to three people now.

And we're talking about this because the problem will persist until you back down. Even if I shut up and never post again, it will continue to do this. People need to actively swallow their desires, purposely concede arguments they know they're right in, hold in that funny remark they want to make, and not be horny for the sake of the threads, otherwise its going to get worse. I'm not saying this stuff should be banned forever, just please post in moderation.

Until the people doing this and the people encouraging this learn this lesson, the problem will persist.

>>3932620
>Somehow you've still managed to understand the problem despite my inability to communicate properly, even if you don't understand that it is a problem.
Okay, fine, but the only real way you wouldn't know what you were looking for is if the thing you're looking for wasn't made in a reply to you, at which point it'd be harder to find anyway.
Again, you can literally just ask someone to find what you're looking for, I asked for where I could find the latest Naranja build in the last thread and someone pointed me in the right direction.
>A week ago was two threads ago, which is obscene. Threads should not be going this fast.
No, a week ago was the thread just before this one, which was created on the eleventh of this month. A week ago was two days after that thread was created, so a week ago was the previous thread.
>No, they are, it just takes a while for one to kill the other. I can't think or work or get anything done at all with this shit going on. I'm sure the other devs will feel it eventually.
I think that might just be a you problem.
Hell, I remember talking with Oldentale anon at one point in the last thread, and he said he only wasn't getting work done because he was actively partaking in a thread argument, not just because people were arguing in general.
And not to keep sucking him off, but NaranjaDev was getting all kinds of shit done last thread, he got out multiple builds (of varying stability) pretty recently after the initial demo build came out, and he was responding to actual posts with legitimate questions and statements about his game too.
I'm not even saying the kind of behavior you're talking about isn't *present*, I'm saying it's not some kind of existential threat to the thread's existence. Hell, the only reason I'm here talking about it with you is because *you* keep pressing the issue, I was letting things be quiet until you kept talking at me.

>>3932622
You notice how no one else is talking about anything, other than this, right now?
That's it, that's what you want, the only thing standing in the way of the thread actually being peaceful and settling down for the night is *you* bitching about it not settling down, all because of an argument neither side was actually invested in that ended somewhere over an hour ago now.
You're the one not putting the bottle down now, but I've had my fill, so more for you I guess.

>>3932594
Toby Fox worked on Undertale as a job, not as a hobby. He received funding for it and used it to pay for his cost of living while working on the game. If you have a full schedule of work (or more likely for a lot of these projects, go to school) and don't stand to profit from your project there's not nearly as much incentive to stick with it, and while some people have the autistic passion to do so a lot greatly underestimate the work and quickly fold.

>>3932623
>Again, you can literally just ask someone to find what you're looking for,
I can't ask for something that I don't know to ask for.

> I remember talking with Oldentale anon at one point in the last thread
That's how it was before, but its gotten worse. I was at least having fun then, now I'm just exhausted. And this is despite me skipping every bit of discussion I can skip.

Maybe I'm being melodramatic and combative, and I probably shouldn't be. These threads are making me tired and irritated, which is making me get combative and upset. I know the logical solution is to take a break, but if I do, I'll probably never come back. If I miss out on a few weeks worth of threads, I'll be so out of the loop that getting back into things will be too daunting with everything that's piled up in my absence and I just won't be able to. Or at least that's what I worry will happen.

Maybe I'm just over reacting, but I know that I really can't handle it if these threads keep up at this pace. And that bothers me, because I wasn't kidding when I said working on Oldentale might be my main reason for living, and I work on Oldentale mainly for these threads.

>>3932365
Wonder what the secret boss will be like.

>>3932626
>Toby Fox worked on Undertale as a job, not as a hobby.
Oh, I understand that part perfectly well, my main point of confusion was just how the people behind Undertale Orange could possibly have been "working" on it for as long as they have, presumably without getting anything substantial done, and not just call it quits at some point.
If this was some abandoned project that hadn't received any news in years, I wouldn't have been curious about it, there's tons of those laying around, but seeing a project this old, with seemingly nothing to show for it, still "commemorating" something?
That just seemed weird to me, like maybe there was actually more to it.
I dunno, I guess it's not the most interesting thing in the world, I just thought it could've been something.

>>3932365
You're getting better with darkner designs

>>3932629
It's probably just wishful thinking. I played the UTY demo in 2016 and, when I hadn't heard anything about it for a few years after, I assumed it was dead as most fan projects go, and didn't look into it again until I found out it got finished and released in 2023.

>>3932627
You know what, I'm probably just over reacting. I have bad habit of doing that.

I still sincerely urge anons to try and slow things down here, but I retract any rude or mean spirited statements I may have made.

Sorry for being obnoxious about it

>>3932627
>Maybe I'm being melodramatic and combative, and I probably shouldn't be.
You kind of are, yes.
I'm not holding it against you, I understand wanting to stop something you like from fading away, I'm just saying that's not really what this is.
I think just about everyone here, myself included, agrees that the last thread getting to the state that it did was a bad thing, and I think we're all probably gonna be a bit more careful to avoid that from now on, but endlessly complaining about it isn't going to actually change anything, it's just gonna add more posts to the pile.

Look, take it from me. I may as well be the personification of everything you're arguing against, and not even just this topic in particular.
If I tell you that *i'm* going to be trying to refrain from starting/getting into any major scraps around here, that should tell you something.
If nothing else, I think you and I can consciously recognize when we're at an impasse, and I think this might be one of those times.
Your concerns might not be unfounded in general, but I don't think we've hit the event horizon yet. A good way to keep it that way is to not press this too much further.
I'm calling it here. Reply to this, or don't, but I'm done with this one.
You have a good night, I mean that.

>>3932627
we just need to adjust and practice moderation, temperance. I was around when /vg/ was first created and things were great at first, but they refused, board wide to practice any sort of self control and things just went out of control more and more.

we aren't like that yet, but I don't want to wait until we get there to say "we should have settled down occasionally."

I apologize, not that anon and I'm not meaning to continue the argument, just the energy has been a bit all over the place with all the things going on. each of the writefags, drawfags and devfags around here contribute in a nice little way to what we have here, and it's up to us to not become modern /v/ or /vg/.
on another note, I'm planning on reading that story of yours as well, but I'm in the midst of a few things so I just have it bookmarked. I'm hoping that it will inform what I'm working on actually.

>>3932631
Eh, maybe.
I think the real difference here is that UTY actually had *something* to show for itself after a while, while this UTO doesn't seemingly have anything.
I dunno, not everything can be TNM I suppose.

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Hello guys. Thought I'd make my presence known early!
I'm working hard on finishing the Kanako x Cole request, and others. So hopefully I can finish them by the time the next thread opens!
Having said that, I was reminded that I hadn't posted the non-unbirthing versions of the recent requests I drew, so here they are.

Martlet in the Royal Guard Showers, listening in to a conversation between some monsters.
You can view the image here:
https://files.catbox.moe/8grqpu.png

Zenith Martlet in the Royal Guard showers, silently reacting to a conversation about her.
You can view the image here:
https://files.catbox.moe/13gqfv.png

Martlet engaging in sexual activity, and earnestly requesting that you do not hold back for her sake.
You can view the image here:
https://files.catbox.moe/i56m8d.png

Zenith Martlet needing help adjusting to her new form. You can be willing, or she'll take matters into her own hands.
You can view the image here:
https://files.catbox.moe/j6djly.png

>>3932634
I wanted to know what that other guy's thoughts on it were, but I think my reply got buried, and then the thread died.

>>3932637
Well then, I wasn't expecting Zenith Martlet to threaten sexual assault against me. The way regular Martlet talks reminds me of 7 of 9.
That is some great art, though. Thank you for taking the time to make multiple versions.

Also I didn't want to reply to the argument, because, well, I do think we need to slow things down a bit and making a post merely saying "I agree" would be a tad hypocritical. Since I'm already replying, I hope we don't accidentally bury quality posts or feedback. If they do get buried, don't stress; at some point nobody will blame you for repeating yourself if you're the poster. If you're a creator focus on your own vision first before worrying about the thread.

>>3932638
NTA, but it's possible the guy might not've been online by that point.
There were about 9 hours from your post asking for that guy's opinions until the thread died, he could easily have been asleep, or out of the house, or any number of things.
If he went out of his way to ask for it in that thread before I linked him to it, I think it could be worth taking a shot in the dark to see if he'll pop up again sometime in here.
You never know.

>>3932638
I at least saw the post, and so perhaps the anon just has not had the time yet. I know when I get around to something late after I said I would, I find the old thread post number and try to reference it.
I also apologize if the Racter shenanigans in the last thread were a bit much. The Naranja oldentale conversation just hit the autism centers of my brain.

>>3932637
oh my, now those are saucy. Still looking forward to the request you're working on.

>>3932628
>>3932630
unlike foxlace, I won't spoil what the secret boss is this time, I think the design is pretty cool even if it isn't as integrated into the main dark world plot like foxlace was. the boss and the shopkeeper were all thanks to my friend that is helping me with dialogues and designs, so expect a few more better looking and more involved darkners from now on

>>3932649
I showed up here pretty late, so I must have come well after you spoiled foxlace. aside from getting help finding him (I barely missed the out of bounds walkable spot), when the fight actually hit it was pretty insane. It landed pretty well from the perspective of not knowing it's coming.

>>3932643
I went with the common headcanon that Zenith Martlet is a lot less reserved than her og form.

Also I'm very confused about the bottom part.

>>3932645
Its not that the conversation itself was bad, I liked it actually. Its just that the past few threads really have been too much of a good thing. I feel like someone stuffing himself at a buffet until he gets sick.

>>3932651
>Also I'm very confused about the bottom part.
NTA, but that anon was indirectly replying to all the other stuff going on, don't worry about it.

>>3932637
How to make Martlet and Zartlet more fuckable 101.

>>3932652
understandable, I have hope that things will even out. At the end of the day we're here because of a passion we've got over things.

I'd like to ask some small questions sometime soon in reference to the thing I'm writing, but it's no rush to get into that tonight, and I'm quite miserable from work anyways at the moment.

Oldentale Anon, if you're still here? This isn't a reply to the whole thing we just had by the way, that's over, this is different.
The next time you're in an argument with someone who has the exact opposite opinion as you, on literally anything at all, and is precisely as unwilling to back down about it, just, say who you are.
Because I can almost 100% promise you that the person you are talking to is me, and from what I've gathered based on our interactions together, I am apparently the living embodiment of literally everything that you hate in the whole entire universe, and there is absolutely no chance that either one of us will convince the other of each other's points of view. None, no chance whatsoever.
So, the next time you're butting your head up against a brick wall, just take a sec to see if that wall is actually me butting my head against yours.
It'll save us all a lot of time and head injuries.

>>3932658
We're like two stand users, we both have strange and unique abilities (autism) and that means we're fated to meet and have battle (on internet forums).
>>3932657
maybe you can bring them up in tomorrow's thread

>>3932637
Oh man these are nice. Patiently waiting for you to be open for taking more reqests.

>>3932660
>and that means we're fated to meet and have battle
I half expect you to materialize out of the ground like a dark phantom the next time I go on a 3:00 am walk.

>>3932660
that sounds good to me, will give me time to get my own head back on right and get back to writing.

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the maker of that chapter 3 secret boss concept that got brought up a few weeks ago has dropped a drive link full of the assets for it.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VMag7W1jMsMn4cDvTB6x8D4_k7VsqSmX
music, art, sprites, the works. some of it seems to be from older versions of the concept.

>>3932669
oh shit nice, was that one anons green in any way inspired by this character? I know that's vague but someone wrote a green the other day about a flower darkner and ralsei fighting it.

>>3932670
thats not mine, I'm still working on it but got swamped with irl duties.
also why there's been no new martlet renders

>>3932637
I greatly appreciate that you went the extra mile to make alternate versions of these images, so they can be enjoyed by more people.
That Zenith Martlet image took me by surprise, and I mean that in a good way.

>>3932658
>>3932660
you should tell each other your names (or nicknames like oldentale anon at least) so your rivalry can truly begin

>>3932677
You're on crack if you think either one of us is just gonna go and post our actual names on 4chan of all places.

>>3932677
I may be an incorrigible autist, but I would never stoop as low as namefagging

>>3932637
You're doing God's work soldier.

Ok, so I just saw some Toriel dialogue which seems heavily imply all the prior fallen humans had SAVE powers.
>When humans fall down here, strangely... I..
>I often feel like I already know them
>Truthfully when I first saw you
>I felt like I was seeing an old friend for the first time
>Strange, is it not?
This is said after a reset when she calls to ask you what flavor you prefer (she already knows). This pretty heavily marks against most of the theories which place SAVE as a (you) exclusive thing, and against ones that say the prior humans all did their journey in one shot.

>>3932683
she also says something of note if you kill her then fight her again that heavily suggests she should know about save powers but is willfully refusing to believe that you have them.

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>>3932426
Most of those I had planned to show in his battle sprites, the cloak is supposed to be big enough to hide his figure and make him look a bit more intimidating. Though I did think about making a more prominent antennae which the two yellow dots at the top are supposed to be, but I have trouble keeping them from breaking out of the hood too much.

>>3932437
>is this like an AU or a fangame?
AU really, a quest is a type of RPG that I'd best describe as a live updated choose your own adventure book, I'd run it off of 4cheeses' /qst/ board. I'm frankly a bit uncertain about even calling it Undertale or anything similar as the entire setting I've imagined is mostly above ground on a peninsula isolated by a cursed storm and waters, not quite as subterranean as the original game.
>what software
I'm using Libresprite

>>3932439
Thanks for the guides, this seems like it'll help keep things matching the style.

>>3932440
>>3932566
Definitely going to play around with these ideas

Thanks for all the help anons.

>>3932688
oh shit, that would be pretty neat. if you get it off the ground, I don't know about others, but I wouldn't mind a link being dropped for the thread.

What would a talksprite look like for an anon?
It's for a thing, don't worry about it.

>>3932695
probably the oldschool "no picture available" in the talksprite panel, though I guess you could give it a proper face but with "no image available" inside the face

>>3932697
Hm.
Honestly, I do kinda want to just slap some text on there and call it a day, but I have to do the face.
Said I would, ostensibly, have to do it.

>>3932698
fair, that's probably for the best, I just have the olden runes etched in my memory.
https://www.4chan.org/flash?file=SageMan.swf" target="_blank">https://www.4chan.org/flash?file=SageMan.swf

probably the best way is to give him a mouth but dont fully draw the eyes?

>>3932700
>fair, that's probably for the best, I just have the olden runes etched in my memory.
Don't get me wrong, that's definitely a classic, and in another context I could totally see myself going for it, but I have no idea how I'd be able to make the "no picture available" visible within the limited space a UT styled facesprite has to fit in.
I think I'll either end up going for something like the Madness facial cross, or just Y/N on the face with no other features, something like that.

>>3932701
those are always a good approach, could work in the golden spark eyes if you need to give it eyes, but the madness cross gets the job done nicely.

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>>3932702
You said all of these good ideas, only for me to sit down at my desk and spend approximately way-too-long making pure garbage.

If anyone wants to use this for some ridiculous reason, be my guest, because I sure as hell ain't using this thing a second time.

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>>3932495
Some of us enjoy paws in moderation and don't need to jump into the extremes of the fetish where people get really fucking weird about it
Alternatively the artist could be trying to hide their power level

>>3932730
I mean ultimately it works, and you can vary the eyebrows and shape of the letters to make it emotive so it still works.

>>3932733
>Some of us enjoy paws in moderation and don't need to jump into the extremes of the fetish where people get really fucking weird about it
I know, I know, I just thought it was moderately weird for them to have taken away Ceroba's boots, is all.
>Alternatively the artist could be trying to hide their power level
In all fairness, it is just sprite art, I can't imagine how one would possibly convey a paw fetish through something as limited as what's basically an 8-bit sprite.

>>3932734
It will, indeed, get the job done.
I dunno, the overall shape of it feels very "Wing Gaster" to me and I don't know how to fix it, so we're just stuck with Wing Anon now.
I doubt this is the first Anon talksprite that's ever been made like this, but I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary, so this could be a really lame way to break new ground.

>>3932637
I'm loving all of those alts, very spicy stuff.
Looking forward to seeing the completed requests.

>>3932669
I am impressed by the sheer amount of effort that went into this. The spritework and concept art easily rivals anything from the actual game. How much time was put into this?

>wake up
>already 229 posts
holy fuck just shut up.

>>3932777
It was 228 before you made this post.

>>3932781
>>3932777
I still remember when these threads used to last for months

>>3932782
People having discussions at a rate faster than the average ice age isn't a bad thing. The threads can still last weeks anyway.

>>3932637
I'm getting a lot of death by snu snu vibes from that Zenith Martlet pic. It would still be worth it.

Naranjanon, would it be okay for me to take a crack at Quetzali? Just some idiot who's trying to draw but would like to try.

>>3932791
Go ahead, you don't have to ask for permission to draw anything from Naranja.

>>3932637
of course catbox is down fucking again

>>3932846
The catbox links are working for me now as of this moment.
Try seeing if they work for you now.

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UT hard mode live stream
https://www.youtube.com/live/r4r2y-NYXwc

>>3932558
I am almost certain this tweet is making fun of that wojak meme, bro. Especially with that quote tweet criticizing yellowish designs.

>>3932568
>Undertale had a lot of diversity to its cast
Undertale only had diversity on it's common enemy design, almost all of the main cast and bosses are humanoids, the exceptions being Flowey, Napstablook, Mad Dummy and Mettaton, and out of those only Napstablook doesn't get a humanoid form later.

>>3932570
Chapter 3 was traditional tobycore to it's extreme, even to the point of it's own detriment I'd dare say.
So far I guess the deal with Chapter 4 is that Toby wanted to do a more straightforward homage to Square style SNES JRPGs, so it got all the melodrama and gorgeous detailed pixel art. Even goes as far as using the the power of friendship and "teens slaying god" stereotypes.

>>3932592
I despise the Titan in so many ways but that's not the scope of this thread anyway.

>>3932637
Momlet unbirthing
https://aryion.com/g4/view/1225482?m=1

>>3932912
>Undertale only had diversity on it's common enemy design, almost all of the main cast and bosses are humanoids
They are humanoid but with very different proportions, you can't say the same for the UTY characters

>>3932914
That's the one thing UT has going for it, but I personally like the more conventionally attractive bodies.
My actual issue with UTY is how some of the faces are just circles. It fits Martlet well but Dalv would do better with something else.

>>3932912
>Chapter 3 was traditional tobycore to it's extreme, even to the point of it's own detriment I'd dare say
In spirit yes, but visually it strays away from it with things like replacing the sliding sprites or adding rotation sprites.
>I despise the Titan in so many ways but that's not the scope of this thread anyway.
Maybe you can elaborate in the /v/ thread, whenever that happens. I think its useful from a lens of what not to do in a fangame.

>>3932916
>but I personally like the more conventionally attractive bodies.
I mean, they could still have had characters with different body types and they could still be attractive, is not like "average height and skinny" are the only body types that people like
>My actual issue with UTY is how some of the faces are just circles. It fits Martlet well but Dalv would do better with something else.
I never noticed that, agree with it fitting Martlet but Dalv is whatever already, there is a reason why people compare him with Adventure Time characters

>>3932594
You guys would be surprised at how Mother 4 is going.

>>3932929
the original one, oddity or the new one?

>>3932930
there is another now?

>>3932931
this one
https://x.com/Mother4Fangame
>last update nov 2024
it's dead...

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Momroba
https://files.catbox.moe/xubv4k.png

>>3932932
actually no, I've looked into it, they just jumped out of twitter and now post on bluesky
https://bsky.app/profile/mother4.org
so it is still alive

>>3932934
>https://files.catbox.moe/xubv4k.png
Don't open this, its ceroba anal voring kanako

>>3932937
I think most people are now aware of the style of posting this guy does and just avoids the links altogether

>>3932912
Tobycore was always worthless as a concept and the butthurt 3&4 caused as a result of not following it will always be funny

>>3932940
anon I just plainly states chapter 3 was very much tobycore
and what's wrong with people wanting more of a style they like?

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>>3932913
Hey I remember this image!
I'm not sure if you're the original anon who drew this, or reposting it, but I'm very thankful for it, and I think they did an amazing job drawing it!
As this is based on the Martlet Game Over gif I did, in my opinion the image translated Flowey's expression very well, especially in regards to seeing Martlet take in Clover soul into herself.
I greatly appreciate the fanart of the stuff I've drawn, and if you're reading this anon, rest assured I've seen it, and I think you've done a great job!
Keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to more, if you do decide to draw more!
Let all your ideas out. I'm always excited to see someone else's contributions to this momlet scenario.

>>3932637
Catbox is working for me again, and now that I got to see the images. Nice.

>>3932507
I gave this some thought at work and I think I found some sort of middle ground with this, I think I could make it work if I lessened the punishment for maxing your tp and turning it into a risk-reward system. If your TP would max out, the bar would simply explode, take about a third of your HP, and go back to zero. You would earn TP at about double or triple the rate you do in DR but also have access to a large amount of spells and special ACTs that spend lots of TP. That way I could have like these crazy powerful moves in the 90% range that force players to re-contextualize attacks mid-turn and try to avoid attacks rather than grazing to keep themselves from getting to max, and you'd have a lot of attacks in the game that strike that middle ground.

>>3932968
>hat way I could have like these crazy powerful moves in the 90% range that force players to re-contextualize attacks mid-turn and try to avoid attacks rather than grazing to keep themselves from getting to max,
Another problem I found with this system is that in the hardest boss battles of Deltarune, you don't have that much choice when it comes to grazing or not grazing enemy attacks, if you don't have any way to spend TP mid enemy attack then I can see this system getting annoying or limiting the difficulty of secret and final bosses

>>3932972
very fair point, I really need to replay DR

>>3932974
I mean it's not that bad, but you would be encouraging players to stay under 80% TP otherwise they run the risk of taking unavoidable damage.
You could make it so defend consumes TP when used or reduces the TP gain from grazing.

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Hey Naranja Anon here again, I just finished a playthrough of Naranja and I didn't find any bugs (as far as I could tell). Assuming I didn't fuck up anything, this should be the last version of Naranja I'll upload for a long time. I fixed the bug with the tutorial, I also implemented delta to the TP gain function, the tutorial now works as intended, on top of that I added the grammar fixes and most of the suggestions that other anon uploaded in his excel, thanks again editor anon, I should probably add you on the credits alongside all the other anons who played the bugged releases of Naranja.
Remember to use an antivirus and all.

https://files.catbox.moe/mnyr1m.rar (win64)
https://files.catbox.moe/ublb62.rar (win32)
https://files.catbox.moe/jvw4yj.rar (linux)

Where is the thread?

>>3933004
waiting for you to make it

>>3933005
I'm too lazy to make the thread, and I don't know if it should be a UTY thread, a Naranja thread or a fangames thread

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>>3932990
right naranjanon I don't expect you to make yet another build to fix this (since I think this might be a linux only issue with running the windows version via wine) but sometimes this weird icon appears on some text boxes, so far I only noticed it on any prompt and one of zaer's tutorial lines
just something to keep in mind for later

>>3932948
Just to make sure, you're completely fine with people drawing fanart or creating fanworks based on what you've drawn?

>>3933008
not him, but this problem is also present on Windows 7

>>3933008
>>3933016
I think I know what might be causing that issue, it should be easy to fix in a new version, I'll note it, but I won't upload a new version unless something more serious appears.
>one of zaer's tutorial lines
Do you remember which line?

>>3933021
I can't speak for him, but it happens in a lot of Zaer's lines for me.

>>3933022
That sounds pretty bad actually, I know why it might be happening on the dialogue choices, but not why on Zaer's lines. could you give me one example?

give me a topic and a image and I'll make the thread myself if nobody is going to make one

>>3933024
I can't take a screenshot because it auto skips at the end of the dialogue, but it happens when he says he should have got a better dummy.

There is one now, at least
>>>/v/733533843

>>3932934
I see you do the “Search ‘Ceroba’ up on Bluesky and sort by new” method of finding the most horrendous stuff you would never find on porn sites as well

>>3933028
I see, does the symbol appear at the end? if it does it might be a problem with the auto skip lines, either that or the hyphen.

>>3933033
yes, its at the end

>>3932738
Even DRY1anon took away Ceroba's boots to be fair, barefoot furries have been an omnipresent detail as long as furries have existed, I would say as part of a larger trend of furries missing various articles of clothing. Lots of people misread Martlet's overworld sprite as being bare-chested because that's just something people do with furry designs, male or female.

>>3933044
Honestly, I'm not sure what to do with this bug if the problem are the hyphens, I should probably look into how windows 32 bits handles the fonts.

>>3933045
>Even DRY1anon took away Ceroba's boots to be fair
I now have slightly more respect for DRY1.

>>3933047
That symbol usually means the character is missing from the set of available characters. I'm assuming the fonts are provided by the engine, so its probably an engine issue. Maybe the value of that specific character is a 64 bit integer or exists within 64 bit address space, so its not present or is inaccessible in the 32 bit version. I don't think its the character being missing from my OS, since your game very clearly isn't using the system font.

>>3933060
I use the DTM-mono font for most of the game's texts and the font dotumche-pixel for npc speech bubbles, you could download those fonts and test them on your system to see if you can replicate the error in a text file.

>>3933067
DRY uses those but I haven't seen this issue, it might be something with some special characters you use to terminate your strings or based on your locale
can godot even change the locale used for string parsing in GD script? in C# I use the system.localization library to set it

>>3933067
I don't know where to get those fonts, text files only ever use one font at a time, and I'm using a 64 bit os. I just use the 32 bit version of the game because its a smaller download.

>>3933069
>DRY uses those but I haven't seen this issue, it might be something with some special characters you use to terminate your strings or based on your locale
I only use one special character when the dialogue options show up (its an empty space), all the othe chracters used are standard letters and punctuation marks. The anon said only some of Zaer lines have that error besides the dialogue options.
The two anons reporting this issue are one anon playing the game through wine, and one anon playing the game on Windows 7.
DRY doesn't has a release for Windows 32 bits right?
>can godot even change the locale used for string parsing in GD script? in C# I use the system.localization library to set it
I don't know honestly.

>>3933071
>I don't know where to get those fonts
Google their names, you can download both from the first result.
>text files only ever use one font at a time,
I mean test one first, and then the other.
>I'm using a 64 bit os. I just use the 32 bit version of the game because its a smaller download.
Can't you play the 64 bit version? at least until I find a way to fix this error, the difference in filesize is minimal between the two downloads,

>>3933076
>Can't you play the 64 bit version?
I already beat the game, I'm just reporting bugs for posterity's sake

>>3933084
I imagine you already did and I appreciate the bug report, I was just saying.

>>3933075
>DRY doesn't has a release for Windows 32 bits right?
the only release of DRY is 32bit, but I use a custom text parsing system instead of using special characters, so I likely didn't run into that issue
maybe you could add a fallback font to the DT mono font that has said character actually show as blank, if the text requests a character a font doesn't have, it will fallback onto the system default font, and those in linux/wine and win 7 likely are what display those errors since thats what the character id is in the system fonts, so adding a new fallback font into godot (check the font import options) will make it use that instead of the system one

>>3933090
>instead of using special characters
The special character was because I got lazy, I could do it without it but I didn't wan't to write an extra function.
>maybe you could add a fallback font to the DT mono font that has said character actually show as blank
I didn't think of adding a fall back font, I might just do that.

>>3932978
yeah I forgot to mention defense decreasing tp, I would probs call it "rest" or sumn

if I ever actually start development I'm probably just gonna keep the combat vanilla unless I come up with something cool

Hey, NaranjaDev, legitimate question:
I have some friends who really like UTDR and all that, would it be cool if I sent them whatever the latest stable build of Naranja is?
I think I heard you say sharing is fine as long as you tell whoever it's shared with that it's unstable, and a work in progress and all, but I just really wanted to double check.
So, is that cool?

>>3933117
Sure, this is the latest build >>3932990 it should be stable since I finished it without finding any bugs, just make sure to tell them that all the current themes are placeholders.
If they have any feedback or suggestions on the game I'd like to hear them too.

>>3933121
I'll pass it along to him, though I'll probably have to deliver his feedback myself, he's not too keen on swinging by these threads.