I still don't get how Barbara Jordan is so strong in YEAR Zero. Yeah she stood up to Nixon but I'm not so sure about half of America not going super racist against her.

>>2337401
Because the mod is retarded. It's just an excuse to jerk off some black lesbian from the 70s. And use the excuse of one good speech she made at a DNC as a rationale for why everyone would somehow love her.

>>2337274
why is your map colored like unit 01?

>>2338405
It's the 1912 Arena.

>>2337401
>why is Barbara Jordan so strong in the Barbara Jordan mod?

>>2340480
Literally who?

I feel like early 2025 spoiled me. TTNW, All The Way, Razistorija - all in quick succession after each other - it was just too good and now basically every other mod feels mid. Brianesque slop that's only worth a single playthrough especially. Year Zero was such a letdown, like what the fuck is the mod even about? Its supposed to be this feelgood lionization of Church, but all you get is a very boring basic campaign where you're told you got aura, but its all tell don't show. Like, it feels they wanted to make a "fuck the deepstate mod", but were too shy or lazy to make an incumbency sim about Church, which could have had great potential.

And what of 4 More Wars? What does it bring to the table that W. didn't? Howard Dean? Its still the same "Spam Ohio and barely win" campaign as dove Kerry. Sure, its better in replay value than Year Zero, but then my mind just wanders back to Good For Me, a mod by a complete unknown that btfo's all this shit while staying at the same tech level. And don't get me started on how uninspired the OSTs are becoming, especially for post-2000s mods.

>>2340741
>Razistorija
Still the best Incumbent/CYOA mod btw.

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They're teasing a Year Zero sequel lmao.

>>2340817
Okay Dodik.

Are there any Truman scenario yet?

>>2343124
Surprisingly no.
There's the 1948 vanilla scenario. Which is one of the best from Dan Bryan. But they haven't done a incumbency simulator with him yet

Does anyone know how to unlock the Persist to Pride achievement for Razistorija? I've been managed to unlock everything else but I'm kinda stuck on this one.

A figure from West Virginia who's willing to be on your ticket.

>>2343804
I probably did since I did all the possible paths in the code. What does it ask for, specifically? Never saw any of its achievments since I load it via CTS every time.

>>2343924
The description of the achievement just says "Under the star of victory. Are you happy?"

>>2343804
how do you unlock like half of the achievements for that?
the only ones i remember getting are the 'don't join eurovision because you retract your recognition of israel' one and the 'be really liberal and attempt to join NATO/the EU when your opponents are seselej and the other guy causing a civil war'.

>>2343989
Your opponents are decide by how two things: Your domestic policies (are you a liberal or an autocrat?) and your foreign policy (USA, Union State and Non-aligned). Try being doing different combinations to unlock the different candidates.

>>2344004
yeah i had that somewhat pinned down (could never consitently get the agromerc guy) but that only makes up 6/15 no?
i've never figured out stuff like
>inheritance
>prevrat
>prodigal son
>tomislav III
>overpenitration
i used a guide to get the razistorjia one but it's a complete mystery how a blind player is supposed to

>>2344006
Inheritance is fairly simple, pick the liberal option in the first question, then oratorial genius in the second and in the third pick "are you sure they love you?". Prevrat and Prodigal Son are automatically unlocked in the route where you get replaced by your VP and with overpenitration you need to kill the mayor during the civil war while making it look like an accident. Tomislav I think can be unlocked if you win as Dodik's VP.

>>2344012
actually that reminds me, i checked the code for that one, and how do you get zoran to take over from dodik?
i never saw a direct trigger for it, but i think i saw it was related to the agromerc guy?

>>2344013
There is a Zoran variable that needs to reach 18. Once it does, Dodik will be replaced. You can find it in the code.

>>2344015
I'm skimming through the code and can't find it (am a retard), remember any of the triggers?

>>2343804
Looking through the code, I'm fairly certain that Persist to Pride and Tomislav III are physically impossible to get. Persist to Pride requires you to pick the Yugoslavist option for Q1 and to keep Milanovic in Zagreb to pick answer 51431 on Q3, but requires you to have the bureaucrats variable at 2 or above by Q6, which is impossible without having Zoki resign from his post in Zagreb. Tomislav III requires you to win when Milanovic takes over, which I also don't think is possible.

>>2344043
Just search Milanovic and you'll eventually find It in the code.

>>2344043
1. they almost killed it
2. I remember your time
3. Great. I love meetings.
4. Well, it's basically true.
5. Why fix something that isn't broken?
6. gay in America
7. and buddy, I'm a brocon
8. We don't like pegging here.
9. Triglav
10. We're not getting fucking hanged over Boron.
11. doesn't matter
12. No panicking.
13. Condemn violence and, war.
14. Tito's whole non-alignment thing
15. I don't know, a new railway??
16. Make him bleed.
17. doesn't matter
18. Care to share?
19. Montenegro's our soft underbelly.
20. SBD
21. doesn't matter
22. where the hell is Gruevski?

>>2344086
Oh, then the only achievement now I need is Vidovdan. I know it has to do something with the Hovrat Path and the protests but it's unclear on how to unlock the secret ending.

>>2344086
It seems they never made a Milanovic win ending against Abdic. I used easier difficulties to make him win and it still said he lost the election. Are we sure the achievement is about Milanovic winning?

All this talk about Razistorjia makes me realise not one mod has been as fun of an incumbency sim, nor has had such engaging writing.
Unironically what went so fucking right?

>>2344289
I'd assume it was cut relatively last minute from the initial release, due to time constraints or some other reason - and I don't think they updated the code since?

>>2344086
I'd also assume this is a bug that never got addressed?

>>2344467
>Unironically what went so fucking right?
Marxist writers, that's what went right.

>>2344289
>>2344467
Tomislav III isn't even mentioned in the code and there isn't even a written ending for Zoki winning, so I assume it's just not meant to be unlocked. Persist to Pride is possibly a mistake as the requirements do exist, but it also may be deliberate.

>>2344577
That does make some sense, I mean the description of Tomislav is
>Make things okay.
which is maybe meant to imply things can't be okay, especially after the backroom shit you do in that path? Ala that one W. achievement about making HW proud which you can't ever naturally unlock because he just hates (You).

Same with Persist to Pride and it's description having
>Are you happy?
but I feel like that one's reaching, when it may just be a bug.

>>2344577
What about this >>2344237?

>>2344237
So to get Vidovdan you need to lose very badly. I think Horvat has to get like 185+ seats.

>>2345352
I'll take us into the future, where we haven't gone before. NATO, European integrations! Seselj, buddy, the past is over. Catch up!

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>>2345913
DODIK GET DOWN.

>>2345924
Which mod?

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>>2345883
It works.

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Post your worst campaign fuck ups

newfag here
'bout a month ago, someone made a Campaign Trail "/v/ plays" thread on /v/ that was incredibly fun to participate in. How often do the people in this thread have a /v///vst/ plays thread like that? I had a great time watching some people get really into character and reading others' rationale about the decisions they were pushing.

>>2346877
It's happens pretty rarely here.

>>2346877
What was so fun?

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>>2347053

>>2346802
what happens when you deadlock this election?

There's a Humphrey CYOA coming out in a few days. How much glazing do you think there will be in it?

>>2347386
It's 1970s Hubert Humphrey, so I imagine his efforts to capture the white backlash vote (he did this irl) will be pretty central to his domestic policy

>>2347386
>more CYOA's dedicated to democrats
>third parties critically underrepresented even though mods should actually overrepresent them, IMO
that reddit post calling everyone out was pretty based

>>2347539
>that reddit post calling everyone out was pretty based
QRD?

>>2344468
It's the only bleak leftist mod that actually sells its worldview and isn't just about how *my* faction should control the Democratic Party

Epstein mod, where you try to put as many of your people in power as you can, while avoiding getting too much public attention

>>2344467
>Unironically what went so fucking right? The writer(s) of Razistorija have actually read a couple books for one thing. The problem with 99% of incumbencyslop is that the writers try to be deep and engaging but the only writing they have experienced themselves is YA fiction/fanfiction, hoi4 mods, or other tct incumbency mods. Even the W. team displays a clear lack of experience with any literature or media in general that isn’t very surface level (like the clear inspiration taken from american psycho in W.’s 538 ending, or when they ripped off david lynch in that one really gay meta ending in TTNW where bobby and rogers morton go to the real world). This limited experience leads to shallow and repetitive mods, everyone just rips off W. these days because it was truly revolutionary, but if they cracked open a book or two (even ones totally unrelated to politics) they might find the inspiration to make something nobody has thought of before.

TL;DR: read more books, watch more films, do something other than playing tct and you might be able to come up with something better than yet another W. ripoff incumbencyslop

>>2348306
Whoops fucked up the greentext I’m going to kill myself now

>>2348252
You'd expect a guy with as much impact on the current state of the world as him to come up more.
We've got the Bill Clinton incumbency simulator and probably a dozen Trump scenarios and somehow Epstein is only mentioned once in all of those combined.

>>2348715
>Epstein is only mentioned once in all of those combined
Epstein is mentioned in American Carnage, his tooltip refers to him as “a can of worms”, and Epstein also makes an appearance in a newly added Hope ending where he’s still alive in 2023 and shilling crypto

>>2347927
Basically listing all the third parties which were historically significant, as well as mentioning which mods they appear, and which they are actually playable, in the latter almost none outside of bull moose.

Lore: Reddit mod ItsAstronomics has advocated for a restoration of American military dominance internationally. To do this, he argues, military rule by both major general (Gregory Brady) and Rubio-Secretary of Defense, for one year, Mark Esper, is necessary at home. He has also argued for a monarchy chosen by the interests of corporations, small businesses, yellow unions, and groups of the middle class. His anti-establishment fervor and anti-elite rhetoric have propelled him to the election runoff for president.

ItsAstronomics has advocated for neo-nationalism and emphasized national identity and sovereignty, against globalization and immigration. His parties and organizations (yes, this asshole have made multiple, à la Jair Bolsonaro) have engaged in violence with left-wing activists, minority rights groups, alleged undocumented immigrants, and trade unions. His original party, the Restoration of America's Principles was right-wing populist. Due to America being a multi-party system, the party saw some success. Various far right and right-wing parties (Nick Fuentes' America First, Reginald Chandler's [Yes, Chris Chan's son] Patriot Pride, and the Constitution Party to name a few) allied with ItsAstronomics. He created the Resist! party and merged with centrists in other parties concerned about communism taking hold again.

>>2348815
The alliance played on the Catholic faith ItsAstronomics had to pretend it had anti-colonialist views, supported the environment, and was against transhumanism. While the alliance of the right (America's Revival) was isolationist, ItsAstronomics still viewed the subjection of Africans and Spanish-speakers as justified. There were no real anti-colonialists, just duped leftists. Also, the alliance was ecofascist, and rather than call out the 100 companies with 70% of emissions, it blamed dirty lakes and waters on migrants, and China-bashed the Chinese owned state coal. Also the alliance was funded by Bitcoin enthuasists and had ties to Curtis Yarvin, a former Bitcoin-skeptic, but it just railed on transhumanism morally corrupting people and hurting God through baby-killing somehow. The alliance had neopaganists and weird semi-Christian religious imagrey. The alliance also wanted to abolish Congress, which it saw as too chaotic and people who liked the 2-party system grew warm to the party. It also wanted to implement Project 2025 at any cost, to save a decline in births of Christians and White people. The alliance wanted to guarantee single men, free women as property, Handmaid's Tale style.

Much of this upset Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz was a reliable right-wing conservative. He founded the Conservative electoral alliance. But seeing his countrymen support a fascist in the polls was too much. He ran on national unity, and got the Green nomination, as well as support from the dissident Right. It all failed. ItsAstronomics won narrowly and was free to implement his policy on America.

>>2348815
Roosevelt is this true?

>>2348816
The first months of ItsAstronomics’ rule were marked by a whirlwind of ideological spectacle and authoritarian maneuvering. Neo-pagan symbols appeared in public spaces alongside vaguely Christian imagery, and state media framed every policy as a moral crusade against decadence and transhumanist corruption. Environmental policy became a performative ritual rather than substantive action. Lakes were “cleansed” and migrant communities were blamed for pollution, while major industrial emitters remained untouched. Bitcoin-funded initiatives and tech-friendly apparatchiks promoted the moral narrative of resisting technological overreach, portraying any innovation as a threat to divine order. In schools, textbooks were rewritten to highlight a pseudo-historical narrative of Christian and white victimhood, and children were taught that the decline of traditional families was a catastrophe to be reversed at any cost.

Resistance simmered but was fragmented, with traditional conservatives like Ted Cruz marginalized and dissident liberals bewildered by the alliance’s mixture of ecofascism, corporatism, and religious spectacle. The public rollout of Project 2025, with its policies to guarantee single men and treat women as property, triggered protests in urban centers, yet the rural and suburban strongholds of the alliance cheered. Within months, the government began restructuring Congress entirely, replacing elected representatives with appointed loyalists and paramilitary enforcers. Internationally, ItsAstronomics’ rhetoric strained relations with allies, while China-bashing and anti-globalist posturing brought applause at home. The new administration’s combination of theatrical religiosity, environmental authoritarianism, and social engineering set the stage for a society increasingly divided along lines of faith, ethnicity, and compliance with the state’s moral hierarchy.

Humphrey mod just came out. First impressions?

>>2349036
Its trash.

>>2349058
Why?

>>2349036
It's fine, but nothing more.
It still feels like CYOA mods are circling the same drain of W., TTNW, and such.
It was talked about earlier in this thread but I feel like nothing's topped Razistorija, or even American Carnage/Obamanation (because as much as they were beating you over the head with their messages it wasn't the same verbose cynicism slop).

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>>2349036
This was made by the same guy who did Our Revolution, wasn't it?

>>2349106
Oh my god bruh.

It’ll be interesting to see how the other upcoming Humphrey mod stacks up against it

The Humphrey mod is buggy as hell, played against percy then wanted to see the other paths and got towler and then by the next question it switched to percy????

>>2340741
>And don't get me started on how uninspired the OSTs are becoming, especially for post-2000s mods.
When is Thatchmaster coming out with a new mod? He was the best at this.

>>2349599
Final Cut should be coming soon no? Even if i'm afraid it's just gonna devolve into "Reagan is literally Satan" circlejerking.

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>>2349659
>i'm afraid it's just gonna devolve into "Reagan is literally Satan"
I got more of a “Reagan hardly knows what the fuck is going on and Nancy is the real power behind the throne” vibe from it

>>2349106
I cannot believe this whole screen is real

>>2349036
Borderline satire

The definition of mid. Overly verbose in places and typical Democratic wanking. The bitching about Chennault doesn't help either, the way it's written you'd think Nixon single-handedly stopped a peace deal in '68 (instead of, yk, the fact it was 100% going to fail with or without him) and kept the war going.

>>2349106
This is what I would make if I had to make a parody mock-up of generic incumbency sims

>>2340741
Razistorija is literally the best mod released for this trash game but the morons in the community for it rejected it, and also obviously the whole scandal with the programmer or whtvr.

>>2348306
If you like Razi reading list wen. Personally I think people who liked it would like Vladimir Sorokin's work, especially "Telluria"

Why are there four threads?

>>2351279
Multithreading, it makes the game run faster

>>2351279
this is for all intents and purposes a general thread but we don't call it that since then the jannies take it down so someone probably thought they were supposed to make a new one

>>2352476
Congratulations! You have won the 2012 United States Presidential Election!

Anyone know how to bypass blog paywalls? I'm morbidly curious what Ettingermentum from W. Team is writting, especially about HOI4 mods.

>>2352594
He's probably calling all mods of Hoi4 fascist unless they are socdem/demsoc circlejerks.

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Hello everyone, Memorandum Teleoptik here. Long story short: two months ago, the anonymous individual behind the original allegations came into contact with us to retract their accusations, apologizing for the fact that they were either wildly exaggerated or invented whole-cloth (a la the Nazi stuff).
Since then, we (the original coder and writer, alongside various returning and new artistic contributors) been working on a remake of Razistorija in an entirely new engine. The plan is for it to release in a trilogy with two of the original writer's yet-unpublished works.
That's all. See you all in April!

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>>2352638
HOLYYYY. This looks awesome, but since the original accusations were retracted is it possible to see the original Razistorija back on CTS (and maybe have the Persist to Pride achievement fixed?)

>>2352678
its on open TCT but they would never let it be uploaded on main CTS/NCT

>>2352678
>>2352678
1. The other anon said everything there is to be known.
2. The Persist to Pride achievement was already fixed in an internal copy, but this unfortunately was not the version that entered public circulation. It will be fixed in the remake, alongside a side-host of the most up-to-date legacy code.
Additionally, the technical framework we're using was built from the ground-up in Godot and will feature editable scenarios, alongside being much more modular than base TCT. It will be released for public use, for free, alongside the Razistorija remake. Our hope is that it will be a useful tool to other creatives in the mapgame sphere.

>>2352679
>>2352704
I see. Can't wait for the remake and the Legacy version then!

>>2352638
>>2352704
You know, you aren't so bad for a communist faggot. Looking forward to playing the new Razistorija.

>>2352704
>>2352638
Can you explain how people were meant to figure out how to get the actual Razistorija achievement?
I'm a brainlet sure, but I feel like it's a little arbitrary.
also what the fuck does it mean what the fuck does it mean

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>You know, you aren't so bad for a communist faggot.

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brehs how do i get these cheevos, they're the only ones i don't know how to get (besides the unobtainable ones)

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>>2352855
oh yeah, and this one

>>2352855
>>2352857
Go on the wiki, now there's guides for all the Razistorija achievements.

>>2352638
Heyo! This is someone from OpenTCT, would you be able to join the server for a quick chat? I want to make sure all this is cleared up. Great to see you around again.

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>>2352787
'Razistorija' itself is a real word and literary-philosophical concept derived from the writings of Dobrica Ćosić. Literally, it means 'un-history.' Attached is how Nick Miller describes it in 'The Nonconfomists:' I think this is perhaps the part of the mod that was least understood - naturally so, for the record - but it was also the most loadbearing to our subjective conception of it. All MTO works until now have dealt with 'Razistorija' in one way or another.
The Razistorija Ending being easy to find was not as important to us as it simply existing, although both our playtesters found it independently. It is achieved by retreating to the past. Razistorija 2012 and the little world it depicts is a circus of misery constructed such that it can be approached and interpreted from all possible ideological directions. This is why we were simultaneously being accused of being Nazis and also Maoists, Serbian chauvinists and also Ustashas.The Razistorija Ending is peeking behind the curtain, and screaming. Being a kid who is already dead, looking into the eyes of a loved one inside a dream and seeing no-one there. You get the picture. If you do not, my hope is that the new path we are adding in the remake will help illuminate it. This is gay wordcel slop but it's also the only honest answer we can give, and purposeful esoteric ambiguity is passé.

>>2352889
So it's like, if History just died one day and you had nothing to look forward to?

>>2352897
Yeah. But, you know, it's been known to happen to people - a real occupational hazard in the terminal society of developed liberalism - it's no joke. What is Seselj or Zmago Jelencic or Bosniak Mujahideen or Ustasha Emigrees except those who have been brought back to life through the reversal of time, blind and gigantic ogres hillocking chaotically about like the Max Ernst's "The Angel of Hearth and Home"? A crazed Manchu Nationalist exits a quaint ethnic festival with a revolver and begins to frantically exert his will upon the world. Men dedicated to the brave ideal of Occitanian Ultranationalism.
The Razistorija Ending is about this, and it is also about being children raised in the muck of it, the innocent and young being world-historically molested. That's about the long and short of it. You'll either intuitively relate or you won't. Over-explanation is its own kind of death.

>>2352638
HYPE HYPE HYPE. Razistorija is the best TCT mod. I knew the "allegations" were bullshit from the beginning. Best wishes to you and the rest of the team, and I'm looking forward to your next work!

>>2352910
An extra question, who are the people in the ending questions meant to be, besides Dodik, Guliani, and Putin?

>>2352638
i feel like there should be a more public post about the allegations being retracted

Are there mods that you guys are enjoying?

>>2353067
>you should go to reddit and...le BEG so they let you back in
nigger who cares
razistorija is about to surpass tct anyway

>>2352992
Pretty sure those were Tito and Cosic. Not sure about the VP slots though, except that Rudy's was Huckabee

>>2353068
Neither of us have bothered with any mods since the release of Razistorija. I can't speak for my co-dev, but as for me personally, I am just un-interested in self-soothing lullabies about how THIS obscure imperial bureaucrat could have tucked you in and told you there are no monsters under the bed. It's all dreadful stuff, cosmologically extremely bleak, bleaker and more dreadful than even our work in many ways.

>>2353067
We understand this perspective, but this is as public as we can reasonably be without associating or engaging with the den of noospheric terrorists and (ironically enough) open predators that comprise the 'Base TCTNO' failson cartel system. Besides, we are uninterested in being figures in the 'TCT Space.' We know they know we know, and we'll keep our distance if they keep theirs.

>>2352992
I don't remember the exact order they appear in, but;
1. Dodik - VP: Zoran (obviously)
2: Tito - VP: Moša Pijade
3. Dobrica Ćosić - VP: Dejan Medaković
4. Putin - VP: Medvedev (degenerates into an old orthodox icon of the Theotokos)
5. Rudy - VP: Huckabee (degenerates into Epstein-Maxwell)
I think that's that.

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>>2353250
You don't get it! If this specific candidate won AND followed my ideology we would have a Democrat one-party state and we could kill any Republican on sight!!
>>2353252
>Open predators
Huh?

>>2353271
Not op but it’s an open secret Lurker (the 1824 guy) has said sus things about the age of consent and other things of that nature but is allowed to remain in the community discord (despite other people getting banned for much less) and even work with Astro on his mods, that’s the only thing I’m aware of unless mango is doing more with underaged girls than just making them cut themselves

>>2353289
Jesus christ.

I heard the guy behind Hope was doxxing people (even ppl on his own team he didn't like), is this true and can anyone confirm?

>>2353463
It's full of horseshit and another excuse for the TCT mods to ban people who don't fit their precious circlejerk

>>2353271
>devs putting a bunch of effort into Democrat shill mods that are immediately forgotten
Still no Reform 2000 mods that weren't made here.

>>2353463
>The Clique says the Hope lead doxxed a member of his team
>Team member in question directly states this is bullshit
>Same team member gets banned from the main discord for stating this
lmao

>>2353463
>>2353632
Idk but do I know the Hope guy is the biggest critic of mango still in the community and if you’re ever banned from anything tct related the actual reason will always be because you didn’t sufficiently suck mango and his friends dicks and glaze their diminishing returns to the fullest extent possible, that’s why every prominent modder that isn’t attached to his hip in some way has long fucked off either by choice or involuntarily by now so sounds like he’s next for the chopping block

>>2353677
Mango plans to leave anyway once Project 2024 is finished so this all kind of feels like salting the earth on the way out

>>2353677
Can't wait for Astro to suddenly hate on Hope for being "optimismslop" or whatever buzzword they come up with.

>>2353817
Hope IS slop and creatively bankrupt imo but it’s obvious whenever Mango drags his ass out of his private server to drop another faggy “review” (aka permission for the W team glazers to flame hate towards a mod team he doesn’t like, as was what happened with Hope last year when he, obummer and the other mean girls of tct piled on it) on the discord you know it’s only because he had a prebaked agenda against it and not that he genuinely wants the creators behind them to improve and make better work

>it’s your fault because you’re white, can’t wait for Hope

alright so I was talking to one of my buddies who happens to be a higher up in the community and basically:

1) the guy behind hope had the doxx of several members of his own team
2) he kicked them out because they were unproductive and threatened to dox them if they ever told anyone
3) my buddy (who is the higher up) who was in the server this was happening in leaked this to the head mods
4) hope is never being updated again, none of the lead hope guys are ever getting unbanned + if they try to then hope is getting taken off the loaders

so the dude's a straight up scumbag from what I hear lmao

>>2353880
X for doubt. Maybe it’s true, I’ve heard the Hope team is a total clusterfuck, but if being a scumbag was a legitimate bannable offense Mango would’ve been gone a long time ago

>>2353880
Plus not letting Hope be updated again if true reads to me like a deliberate move to wipe out the Hope team from the community to keep people in line ahead of P24, even Tom was allowed to upload mods if he wanted

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Feels great to be a right-winger with no stake in this debacle who can just laugh at the idiot liberals having yet another petty spat over a browser game.

>>2353903
Thread contender for gayest post

>>2353880
Do you have proof for this? Has evidence been posted or are we taking what the mod team has to say at face value, with Tom they at least had screenshots

>>2353882
correction. hope team lead (think his name is agreeablemachine or sum) is a scumbag + has no higher up friends (i.e. astro or decstar or whoever)

>>2353880
>>2353971
It wasn’t Agreeable, the members who were allegedly doxxed said as much and they got ran out of the server for clearing it up. The actual doxxer was imfakeithink

>>2353974
i'm inclined to believe that, however agreeable had much more power within the hope team + much more time getting to know the members than imfakeithink. plus (according to my buddy) agreeable was incredibly transphobic to certain members of his team for no reason

>>2353978
All I know is Ronnie (the one mango got to cut herself) is in the Hope server clearing Agreeable of any wrongdoing and saying the main server mods are hijacking a doxxing that she says didn’t even happen to her
>plus (according to my buddy) agreeable was incredibly transphobic to certain members of his team for no reason
SteamedHams is the one accused of transphobia and of leaking people’s voices

The hearsay is annoying right now can somebody post a lick of evidence for what they’re pushing instead of naming random niggas as the culprit otherwise fuck off? Hope was dogshit and I don’t care about their gay inner team drama doubt anyone else does.

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"Where the fuck is the evidence for this? I don't believe those people would ever do it consider doing what I've actually seen on discord.

I've seen the doxxing shit debunked, and it really looks like most of these claims are bullshit created by the mods. The alleged victims even spoke out against it. I can't see why agreeable or the team would ever do that?

Nobody was threatened with doxxing, if that was somehow unclear. And from what stuff I've seen, the leave was taken care of personally and is weird to go into in this ban case. All of the doxxing shit was bullshit created to just ban the team, as there's no real evidence to say the victims somehow lied.

This entire thing is extremely suspiscious because of how they've changed direction from doxxing to transphobia now. I don't trust them."

>>2354148
What I'm saying is why waste time to make this fake drama to ban modmaker? Is it because they criticized Mango once? How can a criticism warrant a conspiracy like this?

>>2354155
You're obviously not familiar with how high school mean girls operate. Cliquey gay guys are like that, but a hundred times worse.

>>2354185
Mob psychology too, people decide someone is at fault and then defending them becomes evidence of guilt

>>2354148
So this is all a gay psyop by Mango and his friends to ban people they don’t like? Shocker.

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>>2354155
>Is it because they criticized Mango once?
Probably a combination of things. Criticism, the whole self harm thing making Mango look bad, etc.

>>2354229
Mango could be exposed as a pedo tomorrow and Astro would move heaven and earth to suppress it and pretend everything is fine, idk which dick he sucks more Mangos or his husbands

>>2354229
What kind of blackmail does Mango have on Astro lol.